Crow finds Timewanker some honest answers
Carlitos Crow
Here’s a rotten post...
Author: dan
Email: TimeW...@earthlink.net
Date:1998/10/02
Forums: alt.dreams.castaneda
dan wrote:
>
> > CCrow> Sure! We're all full of it!
(We were speaking of advice)
>
> Maybe so, Crow.
>
> In the interest of honesty... my lady just came up to me and whispered
> in my ear... she wants to suck my cock. I think that sounds like a
> pretty good idea right now.
Well honestly! It sounds absolutely pathetic to me. And I don’t believe you either.
Except for you thinkin’ that sounds like a good idea... I believe that. You would.
Perhaps you masturbate every time the idea occurs to you. A great idea, Dan.
>
> Take care now, little one.
Enjoy yourself, Dan!
> D
hey Crow... you say you like honesty right, huh!
:-)
Dan: It's kind of strange yet so incredibly intimate and all, for a man to
have a woman who is hungry for the essence of what a male is about, the
semen thing that is.
Crow: I wouldn’t know, Dan. And I don’t think there’s anything intimate about
it. Desperate is a much more applicable word in this instance.
Dan: It's like.. she wants and loves this life-producing thing about you that
is so, so incredibly personal...
Crow: Maybe you think it’s personal, Dan. I mean, obviously you do. But it
isn’t.
Dan: I wonder at times why she loves this. I mean, you shoot this spurting of
come into her mouth and she likes it, she licks up the spill even.
Crow: I wonder if you are at all aware of just how vulgar this is? I am
repulsed, and have never had any relationships which even remotely resemble
anything like what you say. I find your idea of what a woman “likes” is
utterly false... based perhaps in your own adolescent fantasies, from which
you have not stopped fixating on.
Dan: But then I stop wondering why and just feel good and also sort of drained
too, if you know what I mean.
Crow: No. I don’t. I’d think you’d feel rather pathetic. It sounds really
about as uninspired as one could imagine... well, as one without imagination
might imagine.
Dan:You said somewhere you have two sons and I suppose this means you have a
woman in your life, and maybe she is the mother of your sons.
Crow: Yes, I am married, and we have two sons.
Dan: How do you two get along?
Crow: Well, now you’re asking! We manage. We’ve mapped each other over the
years; we know what will please, and what will offend. We argue plenty, but
we don’t fight each other really. We both know there’s tyranny in a marriage,
and we are still learning how to deal with it for ourselves, rather than blame
one another, but this is a very demanding task... dealing with the tyranny
head-on. However, I have seen that it can indeed be done, and I look forward
to some truly happy times together.
Dan: What do you share?
Crow: Boy. Good question, Dan. We share our life, I guess. But I know this
doesn’t say much, even if it is mostly what we do share. The truth is, we are
very different types of people. I am outgoing and love company; my wife is
quiet and would prefer to be alone, or only with those she feels some kinship
with. The two of us do talk a lot, sittin’ at the kitchen table over a cup of
coffee. I love that, but usually my wife gets up and feels compelled to do
chores after awhile, and I’m left with my thoughts...
And my wife works all week these days, so we don’t see much of each other,
except in the evenings, by which time she’s rather burnt out, and so it’s not
unusual for us to watch a video together (we don’t have regular television).
We both enjoy the same sorts of films... lots of foreign ones with subtitles,
and we seem to criticize the same movies when we don’t think they were any
good. So there are some common threads, but they are abstract, for sure.
And of course we share our love for our boys. In our different ways.
Dan: What's your married life like?
Crow: It’s frustrating, Dan. And it’s very ongoing. The marriage has
definitely gotten in the way of our flowering love which we truly once felt
for one another. I know that love is still there, for without it our
relationship would certainly have been history a long, long time ago. But the
love is always left ‘til the last; demands upon us as parents or as spouses
inevitably take precedence over our own personal feelings, which have been
crushed countless times as we struggle to be true to ourselves, and therefore
to the marriage we swore that we’d honour and respect. And yet, I am not at
all sorry that we got married all those years ago, and can’t blame myself or
my wife for all the nasty shit we’ve had to deal with at the hands of each
other. But sometimes it is difficult not to feel that we’ve been cursed, or
that we’ve cursed ourselves, and if I could release us from this terrible
feeling, I would be honoured, and overjoyed. Oh well. It still could happen.
Anything’s possible...
Dan:What's your sex like? Tell the truth.
Crow: No better than yours. Perhaps not even as thrilling. I don’t hold much
stock in sex. Sure, I get horny, but the whole thing seems as much an ordeal
as anything it’s cut out to be. I suppose I’m callous about sex, I am
repulsed by it, to tell the truth.
I have enjoyed sex, of course, but it has never been much on my mind as it so
obviously is for so many men. I don’t like being “drained” as you put it, I
really don’t.
I have other pursuits which inspire me too much to let sex get me down.
Dan:I've been with my lady for 20plus years and we still have this love, this
lust, this yearning, this search between and for each other. Is it like that
for you too?
Crow: We’ve been together for twenty years too. We still make love, but it
doesn’t feel all that searching or yearning anymore. We have too much trouble
dumping all our petty ideas about each other much of the time for sex to
really feel magical and fresh and well, ... just plain ol’ good. Very
occasionally we shall both be pleasantly surprised, but I think this must just
be the way it is for all of us...
Dan: anyway.... if you're really interested in being 'honest' like you say
you are, well... give it a go.. what do you have to lose, no?
Crow: No loss. Say, Dan, are you talkin’ “crow”? <wink>
Dan: You're already an alias thing in a newsgroup, you're already hiding
behind a
bogus name,
Crow: I am not “hiding” behind a “bogus name”, Dan. My name expresses my
intent very well, and I am expressing myself, not hiding. Did you know that
Carlos Castaneda was a “bogus name”, Dan? Or Lewis Carroll? Or Steven King?
Lots of writers use a pen name, surely you knew that!
Dan: what can possibly happen to you that could cause you trouble?
Crow: Gee, Dan, that’s a pretty stupid question! All sorts of unspeakable
things, I guess!
Dan: Take a walk, crow... or take a plunge, or take a casual drift.
Crow: Flying is most natural for me, Dan. I already jumped a long time ago...
Carlitos Crow, one of many.
wild...@peconic.net
wrote:
I am thinking when people evolve , that it is nice to serve the world
together,,,and have the very same intent...basically...
that is what i love...
i want a team man ship with my husband to be, and i want to do a
community of sorcerers in esp dream research and teach the psy
defenses,
as well as other skills , and discover how to have a happy syned
or unity in spirit with diversity principle , so we all remain
distinctly ourselves and contribute well in syncronistity and with the
will of the god above...as commanded by Him...
the sex with a husband like this, far as he is evolved
he is the one who could have just about anyone,
but , when you do it with the right person that god
wants you to do it with for the community or future,
and love them , good things happen,
you can do it and yet not ejact, and it is tantra
yoga in person and that is a wonderful way to grow
spiritually and stay young looking all your life,,,
it takes control but much rapture is in store...
very high strong rapture,
for the spiritually advanced it may be what
we here all need,,,
i look forward to when my gurus want to meet me..
but in the dreamtime we do well, anyway...
we are learning to relate and come or go
high in ectasy with all sorts of attitudes and
becomeing adept at raising the kundalini
not only up the belly , but up the back spine
and up the middle core by contemplation
together as mystics in our love center
in our collective hearts like monks it is a lotus
that roots in our hearts and below
and springs up to the tip of our heads and
is god love, and is different than the love
from our hips and heart and mind for each others..
the spine is gods love for us,,,and is blessed
and comes when it does,
and i have raised it several times in the past,
but i am learning how to raise the other ways
now...
this white lightening helps flying...
i still have my ex, and he demands i do it with
him, and i do ,
and i do it in humbleness, and passativity,
i dont like the idea,
and we are doing less,
as an agreement,
we are separating,
in syn,,,in time...
but we remain friends,
with good intent,,
at least i wish for that,
and am striving for it,
so when we do,
i relax and try to give him
ectasy by relaxing and he is happy ,
but i do not do everything he asked
he needs the love of one codependent,
and deeper intertwining, than i can
give him,
i am too wrapt up in this dream time
and need someone else
who is too..in the same dreamtime
it is a dream crowd and probably will not change,,
because he is not my sorcerer
and he is aware of what goes on with
me,, so he knows the truth.
and it is and isnt a problem
since we were friends and not
really lovers ever....
mostily just sojurners and why not,,
hang together,
honesty is high magic,,,
ww
this path working i do in the dream time
is one i cannot run away from...
the sorcerer grabs me and hauls my ass
back everytime, and he gets me to a point
of dying , practically, and i cant even get
up, most of the time when i run,,
out of bed,,,that is,,,,
i was being vamparized, and
drained,, and my gurus are too,
but my dj 2 come up with a solution
and i surrendered at the same time
cause i was so weak,
my cc that i know
came to guard me
and lay on top of me
all night long...
to keep the witches away,,,
that put the blood spiders
on my head the crown,
to fill bladder bags
of my blood tensegrity,,
and take it away,,,
i run practically every day,
trying to live a normal life,'
but,
i am desparately handling the problems
of existance in the dreamtime...
and my dj 2 is the one to do just that,,,
i recently had a red light net body
put in to me and it keeps the wellbeing
with me better,
and my dj is grabbing the blood tenseg
bags from the bad witches and
taking them himself and giving me his
and the bad witches fear him and i smell
like him more and are in syn with him more
being more adept and puppet like for him
to help me do the right thing for the solving
of the communities problems...
ww
> Dan: What's your married life like?
>
>Crow: It’s frustrating, Dan. And it’s very ongoing. The marriage has
>definitely gotten in the way of our flowering love which we truly once felt
>for one another. I know that love is still there, for without it our
>been with my lady for 20plus years and we still have this love, this
>lust, this yearning, this search between and for each other. Is it like that
>for you too?
>
>dumping all our petty ideas about each other much of the time for sex to
>really feel magical and fresh and well, ... just plain ol’ good. Very
>occasionally we shall both be pleasantly surprised, but I think this must just
>be the way it is for all of us...
>
>Dan: anyway.... if you're really interested in being 'honest' like you say
>you are, well... give it a go.. what do you have to lose, no?
>
>Crow: No loss. Say, Dan, are you talkin’ “crow”? <wink>
>
>Dan: You're already an alias thing in a newsgroup, you're already hiding
>behind a
>bogus name,
>
>Crow: I am not “hiding” behind a “bogus name”, Dan. My name expresses my
>intent very well, and I am expressing myself, not hiding. Did you know that
>Carlos Castaneda was a “bogus name”, Dan? Or Lewis Carroll? Or Steven King?
>Lots of writers use a pen name, surely you knew that!
>
>an: Take a walk, crow... or take a plunge, or take a casual drift.
>
>Crow: Flying is most natural for me, Dan. I already jumped a long time ago...
I think he means something else....
and you do fly, i see you occasionally with my guru and other guru
friend,,,you are part of the group of younger sorcerers outside the
emerald...
cr...@worldnet.att.net
They asked Aldous Huxley at the end of his life while he was on his
deathbed for his advice to mankind. Here's what he said: "All
we need to do is be a little KINDER toward each other". :)
dan
>
> Re: Just tonight is all that matters
>
> Here’s a rotten post...
:-) It seems to be to you.
> Author: dan
> Email: TimeW...@earthlink.net
> Date:1998/10/02
> Forums: alt.dreams.castaneda
>
> dan wrote:
> >
> > > CCrow> Sure! We're all full of it!
> (We were speaking of advice)
> >
> > Maybe so, Crow.
> >
> > In the interest of honesty... my lady just came up to me and whispered
> > in my ear... she wants to suck my cock. I think that sounds like a
> > pretty good idea right now.
>
> Well honestly!
Yes. :-)!
> It sounds absolutely pathetic to me.
Well I won't let you whisper in my ear, what she did, then.
> And I don’t believe you either.
From reading about your marriage and your lack of a sensual lovelife,
I'm not surprised you don't. Does it bug you that I have a rich sexual
life or does it just seem pathetic to you? Why would my great sex life
be pathetic to you? Are you sure you aren't looking in that mirror of
yours again, and seeing your lack of a intimately sexual marriage, and
then getting all cranky again? You'll be apologizing again soon, you
know.
:-)
> Except for you thinkin’ that sounds like a good idea...
I sure do think that what happened was a good idea.
> I believe that.
Believe what you want.
> You would.
I did.
> Perhaps you masturbate every time the idea occurs to you.
ahhh.. lol!! Now Crow... the only times as an adult that I masturbate
is if she wants me to, and then I do it with her, while she
masturbates. That's quite a turn-on too.
> A great idea, Dan.
I think so.
> > Take care now, little one.
>
> Enjoy yourself, Dan!
I did, and I do. Aren't you happy for me?
....
> Dan: It's kind of strange yet so incredibly intimate and all, for a man to
> have a woman who is hungry for the essence of what a male is about, the
> semen thing that is.
>
> Crow: I wouldn’t know, Dan.
Well then, why so you get all pathetic on me?
> And I don’t think there’s anything intimate about
> it.
I disagree quite heartily with you there, ol boy. You mean to tell me
that when a woman is on fire with passion, there is nothing intimate
about that? Is this one of those 'another' things you don't know know
about?
> Desperate is a much more applicable word in this instance.
You're quite cracked, kid... your gourd is leaking badly.
> Dan: It's like.. she wants and loves this life-producing thing about you that
> is so, so incredibly personal...
>
> Crow: Maybe you think it’s personal, Dan. I mean, obviously you do.
Do you think what I'm describing is impersonal?
> But it
> isn’t.
Oh I guess you do.
> Dan: I wonder at times why she loves this. I mean, you shoot this spurting of
> come into her mouth and she likes it, she licks up the spill even.
>
> Crow: I wonder if you are at all aware of just how vulgar this is?
'shrug... to who? You? lol!! So what, you're a dweeb anyway, why
would I worry or care if you think anything I do is vulgar?
Crowy... I've done many vulgar things in my day, the most vulgar being
causing violence upon others. Making love and having good sex is hardly
vulgar; in fact it's the opposite of vulgar. But that's how I see it.
> I am
> repulsed,
lol!!
> and have never had any relationships which even remotely resemble
> anything like what you say.
You've never gotten a good blow job? You must be kidding me, right?
> I find your idea of what a woman “likes” is
> utterly false...
Well you should tell Barb that then.
And I'm real curious now... tell me, oh wise one, what does a woman
"like"? Draw on your vast experience and tell me about this, will you?
> based perhaps in your own adolescent fantasies, from which
> you have not stopped fixating on.
Actually my adolescent fantasies were more often much tamer than what
I've come to know and experience as the reality of the real thing. I
used to have adolescent fantasies of just kissing pretty girls. It
wasn't until I got to really know the pretty (and lots of notsopretty)
girls and women, that they taught me so much more about deep and
incredible sex... the kind where you aren't sure where you start and
stop and she stops and starts and you blend into this incredible place
together.
And again... why don't you tell me about your adolescent fantasies.
> Dan: But then I stop wondering why and just feel good and also sort of drained
> too, if you know what I mean.
>
> Crow: No. I don’t.
'shrug... what else can I say then to you?
> I’d think you’d feel rather pathetic.
Now here you go again... projecting your image onto someone else.
tsk tsk bad bad boy!
> It sounds really
> about as uninspired as one could imagine... well, as one without imagination
> might imagine.
But how would you know? You've never done it apparently.
I like talking with you, crow.
> Dan:You said somewhere you have two sons and I suppose this means you have a
> woman in your life, and maybe she is the mother of your sons.
>
> Crow: Yes, I am married, and we have two sons.
>
> Dan: How do you two get along?
>
> Crow: Well, now you’re asking!
Sure seems that way, doesn't it.
> We manage.
To do what? You 'manage'!!? Like you manage a portfolio or a baseball
team or what? I really don't know what you mean about this managing a
marriage thing. Will you tell me more about this?
> We’ve mapped each other over the
> years;
Mapped each other?!!?!? lol!!! What on earth are you doing being
married in the first place for?
> we know what will please,
What does she do sexually to you that pleases you?
> and what will offend.
What is that, that offends you?
> We argue plenty, but
> we don’t fight each other really.
You instead map each other and manage.
> We both know there’s tyranny in a marriage,
That's too bad that you see it that way. In my opinion... I'm almost
feeling pathetic for you now.
> and we are still learning how to deal with it for ourselves, rather than blame
> one another, but this is a very demanding task... dealing with the tyranny
> head-on.
You've had 20 years of it... 20 years of a marriage based on tyranny?
Poor Crow, and poor Mrs. Crow... I'd like to talk to her. I'll be real
nice to her too, Crow. I'll listen to her and what she thinks about her
life and about being married to you.
> However, I have seen that it can indeed be done, and I look forward
> to some truly happy times together.
When do you see that happening? When you've completed the map and the
managing is in full swing, and you've both become either resigned or
bored or arguing about the tyranny of your marriage?
> Dan: What do you share?
>
> Crow: Boy. Good question, Dan.
got lots of those... :-)
> We share our life, I guess.
but you're not sure? Let's see... 20 years of tyranny, arguing,
mapping, managing... but as you say, maybe there's better times ahead
and you'll find better things to share.
> But I know this
> doesn’t say much,
I know this says an incredible lot about you.
> even if it is mostly what we do share. The truth is, we are
> very different types of people.
Very true for all of us... we don't marry ourselves, you know.
> I am outgoing and love company;
go on...
> my wife is
> quiet and would prefer to be alone,
Does she prefer to really be alone, meaning without you around? Do you
think she has a better time all in all when you're not around her to
tyrannize her and map her out and manage her?
> or only with those she feels some kinship
> with.
:-) I bet Mrs. Crow is probably a sweet woman.
> The two of us do talk a lot, sittin’ at the kitchen table over a cup of
> coffee.
How many cups of coffee do you too have a day sittin' around that
kitchen table? One or two? A dozen?
> I love that, but usually my wife gets up and feels compelled to do
> chores after awhile, and I’m left with my thoughts...
Are you sure your wife really loves this coffee talkin' 'round the table
as much as you say you do? She feels compelled to get up and do chores
when you are so outgoing and so chatty and so sharing with your life?
What kind of chores does she feel compelled to get up and do, anyway,
when you two are having your coffee talks?
> And my wife works all week these days, so we don’t see much of each other,
> except in the evenings, by which time she’s rather burnt out,
So... you really don't sit around the table all that much having those
coffee's? When do you find all this time to share and talk that you say
you so much love to do?
> and so it’s not
> unusual for us to watch a video together (we don’t have regular television).
regular television?! You have a video monitor and a tape player?
> We both enjoy the same sorts of films... lots of foreign ones with subtitles,
Wee wee!
> and we seem to criticize the same movies when we don’t think they were any
> good. So there are some common threads, but they are abstract, for sure.
Hmmm... well crow... let's review... I get laid alot, and I have a very
sexual and very hot and horny wife, and we talk also, about so many
things, and I'm hot for her still after all this time; and you guys
watch foreign videos together, manage your marriage somehow, and then
she poops out at night and does chores... and...
Now.. what were you saying about pathetic and all that?
> And of course we share our love for our boys. In our different ways.
Whatever.. but it's good you love your boys... you're not an entirely a
loser then, are you?
> Dan: What's your married life like?
>
> Crow: It’s frustrating, Dan. And it’s very ongoing.
Very ongoingly frustrating?
Crow!!! Look at what you're saying!
> The marriage has
> definitely gotten in the way of our flowering love which we truly once felt
> for one another.
It got in the way of your formerly flowering love...
:-(
> I know that love is still there, for without it our
> relationship would certainly have been history a long, long time ago.
I'll have to ask her..
> But the
> love is always left ‘til the last; demands upon us as parents or as spouses
> inevitably take precedence over our own personal feelings, which have been
> crushed countless times as we struggle to be true to ourselves, and therefore
> to the marriage we swore that we’d honour and respect.
that sounds so morbid and sad... almost pathetic.
> And yet, I am not at
> all sorry that we got married all those years ago, and can’t blame myself or
> my wife for all the nasty shit we’ve had to deal with at the hands of each
> other.
It, the nasty shit, just sort of happened? You're kind of a victim of
nasty ol life itself, is that it?
> But sometimes it is difficult not to feel that we’ve been cursed, or
> that we’ve cursed ourselves, and if I could release us from this terrible
> feeling, I would be honoured, and overjoyed.
Ok... here's some advice (you love advice I know! <G>!)
stop trying to manage all this like some weird thing, quit being an
asshole tyrant to her, find time to really listen to her, take her out
sometimes, leave the kids at grannie's house and you two just spend some
time getting that flowering thing going again.
Or get divorced for chrisake because your kids see you as examples of
love and all that, and what they may be seeing is something destructive
and sad.
> Oh well. It still could happen.
> Anything’s possible...
You don't sound to certain about the idea that it's going to get
better.. you're quite responsible for this you know.
> Dan:What's your sex like? Tell the truth.
>
> Crow: No better than yours.
lol!! That's for sure, apparently.
> Perhaps not even as thrilling.
Isn't it strange how sometimes you say something is disgusting and
vulgar and repulses you, yet... you kind of find it thrilling too?
> I don’t hold much
> stock in sex.
Why not? Oh, and <G>!! I get it! You don't hold much *stock* in it,
like the managing thing.... crow, are you a stockbroker or a banker or a
real estate guy or a lawyer?
> Sure, I get horny, but the whole thing seems as much an ordeal
> as anything it’s cut out to be.
Woof!!! An ordeal?!?!!?
What does she think about the way you think about this?
> I suppose I’m callous about sex, I am
> repulsed by it, to tell the truth.
Well... honesty is alright... at least you're being honest about this
part of it.
> I have enjoyed sex, of course,
When? When you weren't repulsed by it?
> but it has never been much on my mind as it so
> obviously is for so many men.
I think you have this one all wrong... you're repulsed by sex, you are
callous about it, you find it an ordeal... I think it's on your mind an
incredible amount of time.
> I don’t like being “drained” as you put it, I
> really don’t.
Here's I how I mean it... it's draining in a good way, and you fill back
up real soon with great loving energy.
How do you mean being "drained"?
> I have other pursuits which inspire me too much to let sex get me down.
Like what? What other pursuits? are you able to remove your callous
repulsive managing mapping self out of those pursuits?
> Dan:I've been with my lady for 20plus years and we still have this love, this
> lust, this yearning, this search between and for each other. Is it like that
> for you too?
>
> Crow: We’ve been together for twenty years too. We still make love,
When?!?!? Is is repulsive and callous when you do? Is it a quick
whambam thank you m'amm sort of thing? What does she think and feel
about all this, Crow?
> but it
> doesn’t feel all that searching or yearning anymore.
That's too bad... why bother even doing it then?
> We have too much trouble
> dumping all our petty ideas about each other much of the time for sex to
> really feel magical and fresh and well, ... just plain ol’ good.
I do feel kind of sorry for you and her. You don't sound very happily
married at all.
> Very
> occasionally we shall both be pleasantly surprised,
once a year, once every few years, every so often it just sort of
pleasantly surprises you both?
> but I think this must just
> be the way it is for all of us...
Oh boy there you go once again... tellin' it like it is for all of us..
tsk tsk tsk bad juju warrior boy.
> Dan: anyway.... if you're really interested in being 'honest' like you say
> you are, well... give it a go.. what do you have to lose, no?
>
> Crow: No loss. Say, Dan, are you talkin’ “crow”? <wink>
What's the wink for?
> Dan: You're already an alias thing in a newsgroup, you're already hiding
> behind a
> bogus name,
>
> Crow: I am not “hiding” behind a “bogus name”, Dan.
I say you are.
> My name expresses my
> intent very well, and I am expressing myself, not hiding.
Ok I'll buy that part.
> Did you know that
> Carlos Castaneda was a “bogus name”, Dan? Or Lewis Carroll? Or Steven King?
> Lots of writers use a pen name, surely you knew that!
I see... you're a *writer*!! That's why you use that silly screen name!
> Dan: what can possibly happen to you that could cause you trouble?
>
> Crow: Gee, Dan, that’s a pretty stupid question!
Is it? You're about to answer it...
> All sorts of unspeakable
> things, I guess!
You've already described quite a few of them in your life. Pretty
dismal stuff too... tell me about the cool stuff you do, the upbeat
things, the things you do with intent, to get your sorry ass out of the
mess you're in.
> Dan: Take a walk, crow... or take a plunge, or take a casual drift.
>
> Crow: Flying is most natural for me, Dan.
Then... fly high, fly solitary, fly as far you can go.
:-)
> I already jumped a long time ago...
Off of a two foot step? go to the mountain, boy!
Rainbowbird
less if energy is brought back to the kidneys.
The woman can simply lay her hands on body at the place where the
kidneys are.
RBB
and...@yahoo.com
I think....
that Dan likes the drained feeling,
and CC has an extreme aversion to that feeling.
While I understand the lusty slitherin extacy people seek in sex, I also
understand unfortunately but fortunately and unfortunately (yes, I know!)
Crow's view of sex. Sometimes it is very impersonal, when only done for one's
own gratification, or you could consider it impersonal because it's simply a
mating routing to ensure survival of the species....how impersonal is THAT.
On the other hand, it has to do with emotional connection as much as physical
touching, which makes it VERY personal...hence the word 'intimate'.
I can understand Crow's aversion to the energy loss. Many many times I've
opted to just move the energy pooling up in the lower centers to the root or
higher. Sex can be just another reminder that we are physical beings with a
finite life span, sex can be a reminder of horrible past experience, sex can
also bring dreamless energetically deficient sleep, sex can violate thousands
of phobic borders within the mind of a person......body fluids....ewww. Pick
a reason, any reason....
Bottom line is that, sex is just like anything else, it's an investment
energetically, and you get out of it what you invest into it, or you avoid it
all together.
Choose your battles wisely
If you can win them, fight them
If you can't win them, look for alternatives
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Rainbowbird
A full orgasm is the repeated experience of death.:)
Once you dare to die.
RBB
Carlitos Crow
pathetic to you?
Crow: No, you don’t bug me, Dan. Either way you want to “see” it is fine with me.
I don’t “see” any sign in our dialogue of either of us having a “rich sexual
life”, but of course it ought to go without saying that this is merely only
one little opinion, which is about all I have to offer on this subject.
Dan: Why would my great sex life be pathetic to you?
Crow: If it were true, I might not think it was pathetic, but then, I doubt if
any of us would be hearing about it, so there’d be no call for any comment.
And it is pathetic to create, and then believe in, such a false image of
oneself for all to see, for it’s shabbiness reveals the neglect of the true
spirit easily, and is demeaning and embarrassing to all.
I may never know about “great sex life”. I do not live a sex life at all. I
am a dead man, a crow in the “no-no”, remember?
Dan: Are you sure you aren't looking in that mirror of yours again, and
seeing your lack of a intimately sexual marriage, and then getting all cranky again?
Crow: Maybe that’s all we can do, huh! But no, Dan, I’m not cranky! I don’t
mind this so-called “lack”; indeed, it is a part of the freedom which I am
forever crowing on about. I have chosen to be this way, and it is the way I
was made to be too, so I can feel very good about that, thankful for making
the chosen choice.
Dan: You'll be apologizing again soon, you know.
Crow: To who? And whatever for? Perhaps you masturbate every time the idea
occurs to you.
Dan: ahhh.. lol!! Now Crow... the only times as an adult that I masturbate is
if she wants me to, and then I do it with her, while she masturbates. That's
quite a turn-on too. I think so. I did, and I do. Aren't you happy for me?
Crow: You do what you like, Dan. If you can enjoy sex at the whim and call of
your wife, I suppose that’s enviable to many. But I don’t, and therefore I
“see” the tyranny in it, which you may understand in the colloquial
expression, “to be pussy-whipped”.
I can’t be a stick-shift for any woman, nor could I ever treat a woman as a
rag-doll or an inflatable...
> Dan: It's kind of strange yet so incredibly intimate and all, for a man to
> have a woman who is hungry for the essence of what a male is about, the
> semen thing that is.
Crow: “a woman who is hungry...”
No, this is what repulses me. I don’t like this hunger you speak of, and
even if there are women who feel this way, I don’t believe for a minute that
your hard-on, and your little dribble of semen are ever going to satisfy it.
If anything, it’ll make them feel repulsive to themselves, and no doubt they
shall seek more as a sort of self-punishment for being so depraved and
nihilistic.
And if a man ever tells such a woman that he loves her, she will know that
he’s lying, although perhaps they shall lie together in their own chosen misery.
I can only truly love women who aren’t hungry, who aren’t needy and fixated;
true warrior women. And I do. With all my heart.
I love awareness, and awareness has shown me love... perhaps it is a mirror,
sure.
Dan:Well then, why so you get all pathetic on me?
Crow: I find your comments about sex rather rude, and lacking in spirit. But
I haven’t gotten “all pathetic” on you. Let’s skip “pathetic” altogether,
okay? I don’t think you are pathetic. Obsessed, perhaps.
Dan:I disagree quite heartily with you there, ol boy. You mean to tell me
that when a woman is on fire with passion, there is nothing intimate about that?
Crow: No, I “see” nothing “intimate” about it. Intimate means close,
personal, private.
So I ask you: what’s this woman on fire with passion “close to”?
What is so personal about it? You or I may be attractive or repulsive for no
reasons of our own, and this woman you speak of may be chasing phantoms for
all we know.
And how private can this be? The world is crammed with this shit already!
Dan: Is this one of those 'another' things you don't know know about?
Crow: I’m in the no-no, meaning, No, I know nothing about it.
Dan:You're quite cracked, kid... your gourd is leaking badly.
Crow:Leaking? That’s funny, Dan! But I guess something is getting through at
least! Over here I’m showering energy like a fountain! It reigns down on
me... twinkling moth dust, just exactly as don Juan said! My “gourd” is
hollow.
“Not I, but the wind that blows through me”
Dan: Do you think what I'm describing is impersonal? Oh I guess you do.
> I wonder at times why she loves this. I mean, you shoot this spurting of
> come into her mouth and she likes it, she licks up the spill even.
> Crow: I wonder if you are at all aware of just how vulgar this is?
Dan: 'shrug... to who? You? lol!! So what, you're a dweeb anyway, why would
I worry or care if you think anything I do is vulgar?
Crow: Suit yourself, I was only pointing it out. I certainly wouldn’t want
you to worry, but care, sure, caring might help our discussion; it certainly
can’t hurt, can it?
But if you wish not to care, so be it, you won’t, and it shall be evident in
your posts.
I DO care, and perhaps you do not really understand this about me, although it
IS evident in my posts.
Dan: Crowy... I've done many vulgar things in my day, the most vulgar being
causing violence upon others.
Crow: Were you in a war or something? Or were you protecting your family?
Or perhaps you were trying to “impress” a “lady”? Or showin’ the gang who’s “boss”?
Dan: Making love and having good sex is hardly vulgar; in fact it's the
opposite of vulgar. But that's how I see it.
Crow: Well, I can’t comment. I have no idea what a fellow such as yourself
considers to be “making love”, nor have I seen any agreement to your ideas
about it from any of the women here at ADC. We’re on our own, at the moment,
Dan, and some might say we are both dweebs for opening this highly “personal” discussion.
Dan: You've never gotten a good blow job?
Crow: No, I never have.
Dan: You must be kidding me, right?
Crow: No. What would be the purpose of kidding you?
Dan: And I'm real curious now... tell me, oh wise one, what does a woman
"like"? Draw on your vast experience and tell me about this, will you?
Crow: I don’t suppose it’ll mean much to you, Dan.
Women like all the things men like. But there are so many differences between
men, and just as many between women, so one can say very little which is true
for us all.
Some women like you, Dan. They really like your style. So those are the
women you want to know about, aren’t they? Maybe if you’re sweet, they’ll
tell you what they like, and you won’t be needin’ my knowledge, my vast experience.
But I’ve gotta wonder... Why on earth would you be even interested in these
other women when you’ve got your “rich sexual life” with your “very hot and
horny wife”, which for all I know is a typical adolescent fantasy.
Dan:Actually my adolescent fantasies were more often much tamer than what
I've come to know and experience as the reality of the real thing. I
used to have adolescent fantasies of just kissing pretty girls. It
wasn't until I got to really know the pretty (and lots of notsopretty)
girls and women, that they taught me so much more about deep and
incredible sex... the kind where you aren't sure where you start and
stop and she stops and starts and you blend into this incredible place
together.
Crow: I’m in an incredible place now. It is good. I am in peace. I am in love.
Dan:And again... why don't you tell me about your adolescent fantasies.
Crow: Again? I haven’t any! What do I need them for? I fly, I visit with
sorcerers and dead people, men and women of real spirit! Whyever would I
entertain sexual fantasies when I can be free with the gods?
> I’d think you’d feel rather pathetic.
Dan:Now here you go again... projecting your image onto someone else.
tsk tsk bad bad boy!
Crow: I am not projecting, Dan. If there’s anyone else, then there’s a lot
more folks here than just you. I said what I thought, not about you,
particularly, but about any man who thinks of himself in the terms you’ve used
here to describe your relationship, or attitude, towards women. I find it a
coarse and vulgar attitude, whether it be yours or not.
It really sounds about as uninspired as one could imagine... well, as one
with a bit of imagination might imagine what one with no imagination might imagine.
Dan: But how would you know? You've never done it apparently.
Crow: Exactly. Just a silly ‘ol crow in the no-no.
Dan: I like talking with you, crow.
Crow: Nice of you to say so, Dan! I can tell that you do!
I'll post this now before it gets really boring...
Carlitos Crow
Carlitos Crow
Perhaps life seems alien and overwhelming until you do.
I'm enjoying life after death
Why wait?
Death is the illusion of life, living is real now.
love, Carlitos
DarthWayne
Just wonder when Dan and Crow'll give us full details on how they like to clean
out their garages. Then . . . dueling hobbies? Or how about a battle on how
they like to eat, and all about their favorite dishes? Yum yum. Then they
could run down the details on their entire family trees or something, I dunno
... sure they'll think of something ...
Brandy Dominick
and...@yahoo.com wrote in message <6vajce$j24$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>In article <361850F4...@cable.A2000.nl>,
> Rainbowbird <D.Be...@cable.A2000.nl> wrote:
>> Feelings of draining in sex for a man shortly after orgasm can be
>> less if energy is brought back to the kidneys.
>> The woman can simply lay her hands on body at the place where the
>> kidneys are.
>> RBB
>>
>
>I think....
> that Dan likes the drained feeling,
> and CC has an extreme aversion to that feeling.
You have CC's boring sex - draining sex by a bored fuck.
And you have the Nagual Julian and his nagual woman fucking their way into
another band of awareness - another world.
Brandy
Kim Venti
Brandy Dominick wrote in message
<0CBB2BCBF8D051F7.F2F6512A...@library-proxy.airnews.ne
t>...
Yeah. Give me the nagual fuck shit sandwich over the boring chit any day of
the week. Thrust for thrust.
rainb...@cable.a2000.nl
Carlitos Crow <mo...@bc1.com> wrote:
> Rainbowbird wrote:
> >
> > La petit mort....little death.
> >
> > A full orgasm is the repeated experience of death.:)
> > Once you dare to die.
> >
> > RBB
>
> Perhaps life seems alien and overwhelming until you do.
>
> I'm enjoying life after death
So do Zombies.:)
> Why wait?
Why only have one death?
RBB
> Death is the illusion of life, living is real now.
Life Carlitos is an illusion.And even more the afterlife.
I am calling your cards Crowbird.
Tell everybody when and how did you walk the alley of death.?
Just because you hopped from one dream into another,
just because you found that you will not cease to exist,
reincarnate or live some kind of afterlife means nothing.
Just because you laid your existence in the hands of the great
spirit means nothing.
I don't care how long your heart has been stopping with beating.
I don't care how much glorious light you have seen.
How much you talk with all creatures or how much you think you love without
condition.
Not even how much you realize your freedom.
Whatever happened it has made you lazy.
The dreamtime has caught you, and you are no longer looking beyond.
Spirit has been talking to you in different tongues and I have not
seen you listening.
You can laugh about all the silliness you want, because there is really
a lot to laugh about.
But in your silliness you laugh about the voice of spirit too.
I am not talking about you becoming a better person.
I am talking about you to move on.
SB
> love, Carlitos
It must be the full moon, love RBB
dan
>
> Just wonder when Dan and Crow'll give us full details on how they like to clean
> out their garages.
Well Crow, what do you say? Want to go into this? I actually do have
something to say about cleaning the garage since I spent the weekend
doing just that... and... there was something quite special and never to
ever be experienced again about it too...
> Then . . . dueling hobbies?
I don't think so, I don't think we'll do it. I don't have any hobbies,
Dave.
> Or how about a battle on how
> they like to eat, and all about their favorite dishes?
Oh now Deathy, I thought you said you kinda liked this crow guy after he
jumped on the grumps, though his jump was more a skip.
But I'm curious, just how could we have a battle about what we like to
eat and that bit about our favorite dishes?
This is another of your proposed ideas I don't believe will happen
eitiher.
> Yum yum. Then they
> could run down the details on their entire family trees or something, I dunno
You dunno... and that's always been the situation.
> ... sure they'll think of something ...
Dave, I do agree this exchange of the crow and myself is not as
entertaining as your hundreds of 'battles' with bigfoot or grumpy.. but
you know, you in particular often did sound like you were talking about
your garage or your foods or your family trees and such.
Hope all is well with you. Many good wishes and so on to your son.
Dan
?
>
> DarthWayne wrote:
> >
> > Just wonder when Dan and Crow'll give us full details on how they like to clean
> > out their garages.
>
> Well Crow, what do you say? Want to go into this? I actually do have
> something to say about cleaning the garage since I spent the weekend
> doing just that... and... there was something quite special and never to
> ever be experienced again about it too...
>
> > Then . . . dueling hobbies?
>
> I don't think so, I don't think we'll do it. I don't have any hobbies,
Hello Dan, try an ugly butt competition, you could win that one, yes, I
can "see" that
.
dan
I'm easy... you be good to me, I be good to you... you be crummy to me,
I'll try to smash your face.
good then, the we don't bug each other thing! .. you don't bug me
either.
> Either way you want to “see” it is fine with me.
right! I like that.
(snipped some garage cleaning, food, family tree talk)
> Crow: You do what you like, Dan. If you can enjoy sex at the whim and call of
> your wife, I suppose that’s enviable to many.
The whim and call of my wife? Crow... you're just not getting this
whole subject too well, in my opinion.
> But I don’t, and therefore I
> “see” the tyranny in it, which you may understand in the colloquial
> expression, “to be pussy-whipped”.
You're pussy-whipped? Now that is a vulgar thing to say, my friend.
That is kind of creepy talk, there, crow.
> I can’t be a stick-shift for any woman, nor could I ever treat a woman as a
> rag-doll or an inflatable...
'sigh... you just are not listening nor understanding.
(snip more strange vulgar stuff from crow ... and, what it is for you,
it is for you. what it is for me, it is for me.)
> I can only truly love women who aren’t hungry, who aren’t needy and fixated;
> true warrior women. And I do. With all my heart.
but what about your wife? Why do you stay in that marriage?
> I love awareness, and awareness has shown me love... perhaps it is a mirror,
> sure.
>
> Dan:Well then, why so you get all pathetic on me?
>
> Crow: I find your comments about sex rather rude, and lacking in spirit.
Ok... I can see the way some could take it as 'crude', but if they take
it as lacking in spirit, well... they just don't understand is all I can
say.
> But
> I haven’t gotten “all pathetic” on you. Let’s skip “pathetic” altogether,
> okay? I don’t think you are pathetic.
Well this is a start... good boy.
> Obsessed, perhaps.
ayayayayiii!! here you go again!
> Dan:I disagree quite heartily with you there, ol boy. You mean to tell me
> that when a woman is on fire with passion, there is nothing intimate about that?
>
> Crow: No, I “see” nothing “intimate” about it. Intimate means close,
> personal, private.
Yes! That's what I'm talking about... close, personal, private. Very
very intimate.
> So I ask you: what’s this woman on fire with passion “close to”?
Ok... in my experience she is close to ecstacy and spirit. The way she
wants to be. I wouldn't be with her if she didn't want it that way.
> What is so personal about it?
In my experience... it's extremely personal when she opens up and lets
me in, and is unafraid, and is able to give and take so lustily.
> You or I may be attractive or repulsive for no
> reasons of our own, and this woman you speak of may be chasing phantoms for
> all we know.
This woman I speak of is a beautiful being capable of great power and
love.
> And how private can this be? The world is crammed with this shit already!
You're still leaking that creaky cracky gourd of yours; it's not quite
so empty as you'd like me to believe, my new friend. In my opinion of
course.
> Dan: Is this one of those 'another' things you don't know know about?
>
> Crow: I’m in the no-no, meaning, No, I know nothing about it.
Ok then.. next time, then think before saying you do know about it.
> Dan:You're quite cracked, kid... your gourd is leaking badly.
>
> Crow:Leaking? That’s funny, Dan!
I find it funny too! In a very nice way of course. You're as silly as
a guy getting high in the park, feeding buns to ducks, but... that's ok.
> But I guess something is getting through at
> least!
I know it is on my part... but I'm not sure about your part.
> Over here I’m showering energy like a fountain!
ok.... ummmm errrr
> It reigns down on
> me... twinkling moth dust, just exactly as don Juan said! My “gourd” is
> hollow.
:-).. I think your head is only getting hollow from leaking too much.
:-)
> “Not I, but the wind that blows through me”
>
>
> Dan: Do you think what I'm describing is impersonal? Oh I guess you do.
>
> > I wonder at times why she loves this. I mean, you shoot this spurting of
> > come into her mouth and she likes it, she licks up the spill even.
>
> > Crow: I wonder if you are at all aware of just how vulgar this is?
>
> Dan: 'shrug... to who? You? lol!! So what, you're a dweeb anyway, why would
> I worry or care if you think anything I do is vulgar?
>
> Crow: Suit yourself, I was only pointing it out.
You were pointing out that this seems vulgar to you. To you.
> I certainly wouldn’t want
> you to worry, but care, sure, caring might help our discussion; it certainly
> can’t hurt, can it?
I reckon so.
> But if you wish not to care, so be it, you won’t, and it shall be evident in
> your posts.
Right.
> I DO care, and perhaps you do not really understand this about me, although it
> IS evident in my posts.
You're a smart guy... a little naive and uptight and cracked and all...
but you're caring enough I guess.
> Dan: Crowy... I've done many vulgar things in my day, the most vulgar being
> causing violence upon others.
>
> Crow: Were you in a war or something?
Yes, something like that.
> Or were you protecting your family?
Once that was the situation, yes.
> Or perhaps you were trying to “impress” a “lady”?
Perhaps a long time ago that may have been the instance a time or two...
hey, I was a teenager then, so what.
> Or showin’ the gang who’s “boss”?
Sometimes it was like that too... but the gang reference is kind of
vulgar really. I was never in a 'gang'.
> Dan: Making love and having good sex is hardly vulgar; in fact it's the
> opposite of vulgar. But that's how I see it.
>
> Crow: Well, I can’t comment.
You've commented on it already with hundreds of words. Why the nonsense
now about how you can't comment on it?
> I have no idea what a fellow such as yourself
> considers to be “making love”, nor have I seen any agreement to your ideas
> about it from any of the women here at ADC.
Ahhh well... whatever the women here at adc think about me is their
business and their perogative, and I can certainly live with that fact
... and for the 'record' I truly like nearly all of them and respect
enormously their intelligence and creativity, and find most of them to
be very open, very honest and very sensual beings. If I offend some of
them, well... that's the way it goes. What would you like me do about
it?
> We’re on our own, at the moment,
> Dan, and some might say we are both dweebs for opening this highly “personal” discussion.
Oh of course! Crow,., ol darthyboy, the one who has written more
putdown posts then everyone else combined in adc, has already
sarcastically got his morbidlytypical shot in. And really now, what
does it matter what anyone thinks or says about any of this?
> Dan: You've never gotten a good blow job?
>
> Crow: No, I never have.
Have you ever gotten a bad blow job?
> Dan: You must be kidding me, right?
>
> Crow: No.
Then... if you want, I'll describe one for you in even greater and more
graphic detail if you want.... I'll tell you in email if you want, and
then you can then have a good blow job vicariously, and then you can be
more informed and then you can have a better basis on which to decide if
it's vulgar and impersonal, or extremely incredibly intimate and
wonderful...
Davedarth will get a kick out of this I'm sure.
> What would be the purpose of kidding you?
good question... and one I certainly have no good answer to. I don't
know what would be your motivation for kidding me.
> Dan: And I'm real curious now... tell me, oh wise one, what does a woman
> "like"? Draw on your vast experience and tell me about this, will you?
>
> Crow: I don’t suppose it’ll mean much to you, Dan.
Ya never know... it might mean alot.
> Women like all the things men like.
ummmm ererrrrr ahhhhh well this is a bit of a shaky start to say 'all'
but I'm with you so far.
> But there are so many differences between
> men, and just as many between women, so one can say very little which is true
> for us all.
Well you knucklehead! You just got done saying they like all the same
things we do.
> Some women like you, Dan.
Seems so... and that's nice and I like that.
> They really like your style.
Which ones are you referring to exactly, Crow? Tell me which ones you
think like me... be truthful now. You might be surprised or have a bit
of egg on your face, but take the chance and tell me. Name them too, if
you think there are any in adc who like me.
And, what are you leading into with this?
> So those are the
> women you want to know about, aren’t they?
You're starting to lose me here... I believe you have a strange agenda
thing with this line of questioning of yours.
> Maybe if you’re sweet, they’ll
> tell you what they like, and you won’t be needin’ my knowledge, my vast experience.
Oh.. well you don't have vast experience nor much knowledge about women,
in my opinion... and I have some very valuable and good experience and
knowledge; in fact probably more than most men do, but of course I'm a
man, and often too arrogant and cocksure and all that, and so ... I know
alot, but I only know what I know given the limitations.
> But I’ve gotta wonder... Why on earth would you be even interested in these
> other women when you’ve got your “rich sexual life” with your “very hot and
> horny wife”, which for all I know is a typical adolescent fantasy.
I love talking with women. They're often kinder, easier to talk to,
less anxious to get into silly fights like the one we're having, they're
often very bright and very great. And these 'other women' you're
referring to... what is it you suppose they and I are doing? Things
you don't know about? :-) Thrilling secret things?
And.. I'm sorry to disappoint you with my rather tame adolescent fantasy
thing from my adolescence...it was really pretty innocent stuff, like
hugging and kissing and just admiring different girls.
> Dan:Actually my adolescent fantasies were more often much tamer than what
> I've come to know and experience as the reality of the real thing. I
> used to have adolescent fantasies of just kissing pretty girls. It
> wasn't until I got to really know the pretty (and lots of notsopretty)
> girls and women, that they taught me so much more about deep and
> incredible sex... the kind where you aren't sure where you start and
> stop and she stops and starts and you blend into this incredible place
> together.
>
> Crow: I’m in an incredible place now. It is good. I am in peace. I am in love.
then Crow... it might be a good time to quit bashing each other and
start to talk about other things... but I do come back once in awhile to
talk about sexuality, so if I do, well then you can turn it off like the
television.
> Dan:And again... why don't you tell me about your adolescent fantasies.
>
> Crow: Again? I haven’t any!
Again, as a question?
Ok... when you were an adolescent what were your fantasies, or weren't
you ever an adolescent?
> What do I need them for? I fly, I visit with
> sorcerers and dead people,
Well then I guess indeed you don't need your adolescent fantasies now.
> men and women of real spirit! Whyever would I
> entertain sexual fantasies when I can be free with the gods?
Whatever turns you on... :-)
> > I’d think you’d feel rather pathetic.
>
> Dan:Now here you go again... projecting your image onto someone else.
> tsk tsk bad bad boy!
>
> Crow: I am not projecting, Dan.
I say you are.
> If there’s anyone else, then there’s a lot
> more folks here than just you. I said what I thought, not about you,
> particularly, but about any man who thinks of himself in the terms you’ve used
> here to describe your relationship, or attitude, towards women.
'sigh... because I say in somewhat graphic terms what happened, you
decide this is somehow vulgar or whatever you're getting at?
> I find it a
> coarse and vulgar attitude, whether it be yours or not.
> It really sounds about as uninspired as one could imagine... well, as one
> with a bit of imagination might imagine what one with no imagination might imagine.
Please... take Mrs. Crow out for dinner this weekend... be nice to her,
listen to her, tell her you love her... get that flowering love going
again for a bit, and then come back and talk to me about sexuality.
> Dan: But how would you know? You've never done it apparently.
>
> Crow: Exactly. Just a silly ‘ol crow in the no-no.
>
> Dan: I like talking with you, crow.
>
> Crow: Nice of you to say so, Dan! I can tell that you do!
You're right about that... but I'm not going to be getting into a habit
of it... like I see you're answering some other posts but I have some
other things to do now.
> I'll post this now before it gets really boring...
You just made it under the wire... barely.
> Carlitos Crow