What would you think?
Disney Fun
complete with a casino? I think it would have to be hidden from any
other attractions or theme areas.
D.F.
jt august
wrote:
If Disney wanted a casino, they'd build in Las Vegas.
Blimey85
Isn't that what Pleasure Island originally was? Minus the casino but I
believe it was an adults only area that was fenced from the rest of
Downtown Disney. They seem to want to go more family-friendly with
everything, hence the closing of the PI clubs, so I don't see this
happening, not anytime soon anyway. I do think if they did at some
point decide to do a casino, it would be at Downtown Disney and I
think they could get whatever laws changed to make this happen. But a
casino would be so far out of the image they want to portray that I
just can't imagine a casino with Disney anywhere near it.
-Gary
jt august
<6be5dfca-96b0-4c84...@q9g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Blimey85 <blim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I do think if they did at some
> point decide to do a casino, it would be at Downtown Disney and I
> think they could get whatever laws changed to make this happen. But a
> casino would be so far out of the image they want to portray that I
> just can't imagine a casino with Disney anywhere near it.
I've heard the concept proposed more than once, and I'm sure the idea
has been floated within Disney. And every time the subject passes, it
is trounced as been NOT what Disney is about. You are quite right,
Blimey, Disney will never have a Casino on it without a major change in
corporate attitude. Not even on its cruise ships.
Disturbingly, with the economy going the way it is, such a change in
attitude could happen if things get dire enough. Let's pray the arrival
of McCain or Obama prove to be a shift our economy needs.
jt
BeatGirl
> Disturbingly, with the economy going the way it is, such a change in
> attitude could happen if things get dire enough. Let's pray the
> arrival of McCain or Obama prove to be a shift our economy needs.
>
> jt
Just couldn't resist bringing up AMERICAN politics, could you?
miles
Why not? The economy is what drives changes and improvements to Disney.
I went to Disneyland in Oct. following 9/11. The place was empty even
on a weekend. While it was nice for the short ride lines it also caused
delays in ride improvements and new construction.
BeatGirl
>> Just couldn't resist bringing up AMERICAN politics, could you?
>
> Why not? The economy is what drives changes and improvements to
> Disney.
> I went to Disneyland in Oct. following 9/11. The place was empty
> even
> on a weekend. While it was nice for the short ride lines it also
> caused delays in ride improvements and new construction.
Well, for one thing, the internet is WORLDWIDE.
For another, Disney exists in more than one country.
Are you SO arrogant as to think we ALL care about YOUR pathetic
economy?
jt august
BeatGirl <Beat...@nowhere.com> wrote:
Well, let's see, Disney is an American company, WDW is in the southeast
corner of the USA, I'm in the center of the US (and about 260 miles from
the town that was the image inspiration for Main Street *USA* at the MK.
I dunno, seems a lot of America intertwined.
jt
jt august
wrote:
> While it was nice for the short ride lines it also caused
> delays in ride improvements and new construction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_Century_Resort#Legendary_Years
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1391731
And here is a particular element that lives in overgrown infamy.
jt
jt august
BeatGirl <Beat...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> Well, for one thing, the internet is WORLDWIDE.
> For another, Disney exists in more than one country.
>
> Are you SO arrogant as to think we ALL care about YOUR pathetic
> economy?
But this is alt.disney.disneyworld, not rec.arts.disney.parks. This one
is earmarked for the American Park. You want Eurodisney and Tokyo
Disneyland included, that is RADP. And I don't care whether you care
about US politics or not. You are the arrogant one, thinking you can
dictate what can and cannot be discussed in this alt.* newsgroup. Check
your friendly neighborhood newsgroup charter. A.D.DW was never
moderated, nor has any alt.* group been moderated.
jt
miles
> Are you SO arrogant as to think we ALL care about YOUR pathetic
> economy?
Are you so arrogant to believe that the economic troubles are isolated
to the USA?
miles
> Well, for one thing, the internet is WORLDWIDE.
> For another, Disney exists in more than one country.
>
> Are you SO arrogant as to think we ALL care about YOUR pathetic
> economy?
Um, at last glance Disneyworld was in the USA. Read a map.
Neal Eckhardt
If they don't have a casino on their cruise ships, I doubt you'll see
them at WDW.
--
Neal
When a man brings his wife flowers for no reason,
there's a reason.
miles
> If they don't have a casino on their cruise ships, I doubt you'll see
> them at WDW.
Disney doesn't have any adult marketed cruises currently. It is fact
that Disney has been researching ways to enter the gambling market for
over a decade. They hired Stephen Bollenbach in the 1990's as CFO who
is a known casino financial expert. Disney also has been in talks with
California Indian tribes about operating a casino. I don't know about
anything at WDW itself. Florida laws don't allow such.
MeatGirl
miles
> Um, there is an Indan casino less than an hour's drive from WDW.
At last glance WDW was not on Indian land. Furthermore land swaps have
been attempted in Florida and routinely not allowed.
MagicTrix
I think a casino area at WDW would be awesome personally. Maybe if they
had a Disney Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas this would be great.
--
MagicTrix
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jt august
MagicTrix <MagicTri...@no-mx.forums.travel.com> wrote:
> I think a casino area at WDW would be awesome personally. Maybe if they
> had a Disney Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas this would be great.
Casinos are so terribly contradictory to what Disney has marketed itself
as, I'm not sure the public would accept Disney getting into the casino
business. I would think that WDW as a whole would suffer from a drop in
attendance.
jt
Disney Fun
> Casinos are so terribly contradictory to what Disney has marketed
> itself as, I'm not sure the public would accept Disney getting into
> the casino business. I would think that WDW as a whole would suffer
> from a drop in attendance.
>
> jt
I think that is patently absurd. The people so "anal" as to cancel a
trip to Disney World for their family because Disney had a casino in
some remote part of the property, would be FAR outnumbered by those who
finally got Dad to agree to a trip because it's now a resort for the
WHOLE family.
jt august
wrote:
> jt august <star...@net.att> wrote:
>
> > Casinos are so terribly contradictory to what Disney has marketed
> > itself as, I'm not sure the public would accept Disney getting into
> > the casino business. I would think that WDW as a whole would suffer
> > from a drop in attendance.
>
> I think that is patently absurd. The people so "anal" as to cancel a
> trip to Disney World for their family because Disney had a casino in
> some remote part of the property, would be FAR outnumbered by those who
> finally got Dad to agree to a trip because it's now a resort for the
> WHOLE family.
The concept was tried in Vegas. It fizzled, and Vegas is migrating back
to sin city. Even in states where gambling has been legalized, the
Casinos are strictly adult, not family. Here in St. Louis, Harrahs
tried setting up an area to entertain under 21's while the parents
gambled. Kids didn't come and the area was closed in less than a year.
Ameristar has arcade. It had some stuff geared towards younger ones,
but no kids came so now the games are ones that appeal to adults who
want to play, and that ain't many.
If Disney really thought it would work, they would have moved forward by
now. The thought of Disney and a Casino together is simply absurd.
jt
miles
> If Disney really thought it would work, they would have moved forward by
> now. The thought of Disney and a Casino together is simply absurd.
Pleasure Island was originally designed as an all adult entertainment
area. Not sure why they recently decided to close all of the night
clubs considering they sure seemed packed whenever I've gone. My
understanding is Disney wants to reformat Pleasure Island as a family venue.
Disney Fun
>
>> If Disney really thought it would work, they would have moved forward
>> by now. The thought of Disney and a Casino together is simply
>> absurd.
So, if it isn't true right now, Disney hasn't thought of it? That
doesn't bode well for the future of the parks, movies, and Disney
productions.
If Disney put a casino away from the heavily travelled areas, maybe on
the north side of Magic Kingdom; away from the sight of the
fundamentalists and conservatives (is there a difference?); and
disallowed children, I think it would be very popular. It wouldn't even
need a Disney theme. As a matter of fact, I would hope it didn't. But
I guess they could call it Uncle Scrooge's Vault or something.
jt august
wrote:
> But
> I guess they could call it Uncle Scrooge's Vault or something.
That is absurd.
I just don't see why you can't see the disconnect. Disney is rebuilding
its self-made status and image as a family oriented entertainment
company. They closed Pleasure Island because - in part - it generally
precluded kids (recognizing that kids could go in some venues when
accompanied by parents). There is also an enormous amount of legal
overhead that goes into operating a casino which is beyond what Disney
wants to get involved with. And casinos tend take money without giving
much in return, except for a lucky VERY FEW. Many who leave casinos do
so without pleasant memories. Disney wants all its guests to go away
very happy, feeling that they got plenty for their money.
Gambling and Disney are not a mutually beneficial pairing.
jt
miles
> Gambling and Disney are not a mutually beneficial pairing.
Disney is involved in many non-family oriented enterprises already.
They own and operate quite a few. They just don't brand such as Disney
products.
Disney seemed to feel the way you do with regards to Disneyland. No
alcohol is allowed (except at the private Club 33) because its intended
family marketing. Yet it is allowed at all other parks.
Disney Fun
> I just don't see why you can't see the disconnect. Disney is
> rebuilding its self-made status and image as a family oriented
> entertainment company. They closed Pleasure Island because - in
> part - it generally precluded kids (recognizing that kids could
> go in some venues when accompanied by parents).
You know this because....
> There is also an enormous amount of legal overhead that goes into
> operating a casino which is beyond what Disney wants to get
> involved with.
You know this because....
> And casinos tend take money without giving much in return, except
> for a lucky VERY FEW.
I guess that's why there are so many of them spread around the country.
They just aren't fun!
> Many who leave casinos do so without pleasant memories. Disney
> wants all its guests to go away very happy, feeling that they got
> plenty for their money.
Yeah, and I guess that's why Las Vegas and Reno, and all those Indian
casinos around the country, not to mention the THOUSANDS of them in
other countries, have NO returning business. So many people leave
unhappy that they just can't sustain a business.
> Gambling and Disney are not a mutually beneficial pairing.
I think YOU and gambling are not a mutually beneficial pairing, and you
feel that you own and run Disney. I'm guessing you're a religious
conservative who simply cannot conceive of someone having fun in other
ways than you do.
That's Ok Mr. Flanders. You don't have to come to the casino. You can
hold up your hand and shield your eyes when you pass by the road that
leads over there. If you ignore it, it doesn't exist.
miles
> I'm guessing you're a religious
> conservative who simply cannot conceive of someone having fun in other
> ways than you do.
I agreed with everything in your post regarding Disney and Casinos. I
go to Vegas and other Casinos now and then. Usually lose but have fun
anyways. You lost me when you decided to make your stereotyped
political statement above. I am religious and am a proud conservative.
jt august
wrote:
> I think YOU and gambling are not a mutually beneficial pairing, and you
> feel that you own and run Disney. I'm guessing you're a religious
> conservative who simply cannot conceive of someone having fun in other
> ways than you do.
First, I do own a couple shares of Disney. Not enough to be considered
a power-that-be, but should a casino issue ever come up to shareholders,
I would vote against it, or grant proxy to one who shared my views.
Second, I am not a BA, and I do visit Harrahs StL on occasion, though I
would fall in the grouping of very low dollar gambler. I only won a
decent amount once (roughly $60). I don't go frequently because I so
rarely come out ahead, and I only go either with friends or once a week
during football season to play my weekly picks (free promo). And on
that latter, I always go in and grab a free soda or two, but usually
don't gamble.
As to knowing people don't come out generally happy, I can see it on
their faces. Do they come out miserable? Mostly no, but only a few who
won seem really happy. And when I have asked friends who go regularly
or semi regularly, the most common answer is they go hoping this will be
the week. One guy did go for Texas Hold'em, and he held his own but
never came out really ahead. For him, playing the game was the
challenge.
And calling me names? Oh, that makes your point so much more valid.
jt
jt august
wrote:
> Disney seemed to feel the way you do with regards to Disneyland. No
> alcohol is allowed (except at the private Club 33) because its intended
> family marketing. Yet it is allowed at all other parks.
No alchohol in MK either, just to complete the facts. As to the other
parks, the big parks and water parks serve alchohol, but in very limited
fashion. PI was the one park where alchohol flowed freely, and look at
its final fate.
I really don't see any tangible likelihood of Disney getting into any
casino business, on property or elsewhere.
jt
miles
> As to knowing people don't come out generally happy, I can see it on
> their faces. Do they come out miserable? Mostly no, but only a few who
> won seem really happy.
Sure, if someone hits it big they come out all smiles. Most people come
out losing but still feel they had a fun time. Contrary to your beliefs
I do not think most go again thinking that will be their lucky day.
Most go in knowing they will probably lose, they'll have a good time and
with some luck they might even win.
miles
> I really don't see any tangible likelihood of Disney getting into any
> casino business, on property or elsewhere.
Disney has researched the concept over the years but not in WDW itself.
Disney Fun
> Sure, if someone hits it big they come out all smiles. Most people
> come out losing but still feel they had a fun time. Contrary to your
> beliefs I do not think most go again thinking that will be their lucky
> day. Most go in knowing they will probably lose, they'll have a good
> time and with some luck they might even win.
Very true. When I travel to the casinos I bring a budget for my
gambling set at a level I can afford to lose. If I win, or break even I
feel great. By the way, my trips to Las Vegas are MUCH cheaper than my
trips to WDW, and I live on the east coast.
If Disney is so dead set against all things related to gambling, why are
there SIX Disney stores in Las Vegas? Many of them are right on the
strip. There are two more up in Reno, and one in Atlantic City with
another less than 15 miles away. Please don't tell me that's just good
business. So would the decision to open a casino.
D.F.