FTP Is there a tomorrow for Tomorrow Land?
StormChaser
between Roy Disney Jr. and Michael Eisner.
The Tomorrow Land: Then and Now article saddened me because
I was unaware just how much that part of DisneyLand had been allowed
to fall apart.
The photos showed bright, colorful pictures of Tomorrow Land circa.
1967-1985 with the rocket ride, people movers, Monorail, etc..
The original idea of this section of the park was to show moving,
futuristic rides and modes of transportation and to present an optimistic
vision of the future
The PeopleMover, rockets, Monorail and the Skyway that went
through the Matterhorn were meant to show a future society as workable
and possible.
The present photos show a dim TL with a gloom cast over it that
only Malificent could love.
No sign of the some rides except a mountain with holes and criss-
crossing tracks.
Space Mountain is still there. A sign of former glory.
The Captain Nemo submarine ride abandoned a few years ago
is supposed to be replaced with a Finding Nemo ride.
Save Disney seems to have an ax to grind with Michael Eisner's
style of management of the Disney Corporation. A few questions went
unanswered.
Were the former rides seen as old-fashioned and corny?
(Though the Terrace stage did reek of fondue and go-go boots)
Were they dismantled due to increasing regulations for theme
parks?
Were the rides becoming too expensive to maintain?
Mark
tommy
"StormChaser" <nth...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Though the Terrace stage did reek of fondue and go-go boots
My most-missed non-ride in Tomorrowland is the Tomorrowland Terrace.
I love fondue & go-go boots.
/tommy
No One
>
> > Though the Terrace stage did reek of fondue and go-go boots
>
> My most-missed non-ride in Tomorrowland is the Tomorrowland Terrace.
>
> I love fondue & go-go boots.
What used to be exciting to me... just doesn't seem to be anymore. I'm
a fool.
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Get rid of everything and start over. Perhaps we'll have a new one for the
75th anniversary in 2030.
PacManFever
StormChaser wrote:
> I visited the Save Disney website recently to see what the beef was
> between Roy Disney Jr. and Michael Eisner.
>
> The Tomorrow Land: Then and Now article saddened me because
> I was unaware just how much that part of DisneyLand had been allowed
> to fall apart.
Eisner doesn't give a shit about DL and the degradation of Tomorrowland
is living proof of that. (Along with other parts of the park like Jungle
Cruise...What used to be cool and scary is just a slapstick chucklefest
that is begging for an update)
>
> The photos showed bright, colorful pictures of Tomorrow Land circa.
> 1967-1985 with the rocket ride, people movers, Monorail, etc..
>
>
> The original idea of this section of the park was to show moving,
> futuristic rides and modes of transportation and to present an optimistic
> vision of the future
>
> The PeopleMover, rockets, Monorail and the Skyway that went
> through the Matterhorn were meant to show a future society as workable
> and possible.
Instead, they leave us with Vincent Price's worst nightmare.
>
> Space Mountain is still there. A sign of former glory.
At least they repainted the thing white instead of the dungpile color.
>
> The Captain Nemo submarine ride abandoned a few years ago
> is supposed to be replaced with a Finding Nemo ride.
The same thing was said about Little Mermaid and Atlantis, but those
never materialized either. Atlantis makes the most sense to me, imho,
as that movie actually had submarines in it.
>
> Save Disney seems to have an ax to grind with Michael Eisner's
> style of management of the Disney Corporation. A few questions went
> unanswered.
>
> Were the former rides seen as old-fashioned and corny?
> (Though the Terrace stage did reek of fondue and go-go boots)
About the only thing corny is their inability to balance bottom-line
profit and park goer experience.
>
> Were they dismantled due to increasing regulations for theme
> parks?
No, certain rides like Flying Saucers were deemed to be lawsuits waiting
to happen. And this was before people sued for anything and everything.
Most accidents involving injury at theme parks were deemed to be just
that....accidents.
>
> Were the rides becoming too expensive to maintain?
>
The subs and rocket rods were the only two Tomorrowland attractions I
can think of that were shut down for financial considerations. The rest
were due to ride rotation.
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PacManFever <aarro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > The Captain Nemo submarine ride abandoned a few years ago
> > is supposed to be replaced with a Finding Nemo ride.
>
> The same thing was said about Little Mermaid and Atlantis, but those
> never materialized either. Atlantis makes the most sense to me, imho,
> as that movie actually had submarines in it.
'course, I'd love to see them do something there -- and using subs if
fine -- that doesn't involve some synergestic tying into an exsiting
property.
IMO, that is one of the strengths of some long-term attractions like
Haunted Mansion and Pirates of the Carribean.
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>is supposed to be replaced with a Finding Nemo ride.
>
>
"Captain Nemo" ride? What's that?
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> > The Captain Nemo submarine ride abandoned a few years ago
> >is supposed to be replaced with a Finding Nemo ride.
> >
> >
>
> "Captain Nemo" ride? What's that?
>
Daniel Deakins
as they were, I think adults and kids alike could appreciate the
attraction today. It's not a ride like "Pirates of the Caribbean" or
"Tower of Terror." It's more like "Alice's Teacups" or the carousel.
Every ride doesn't have to be a $100 million dollar extravaganza. An
entertaining experience can be bought for $5 million, too.
No One
I'd estimate Disneyland paying about $40 million (or more based on the
$30 million+ Pooh attraction) to redesign, build and get the Flying
Saucers up and running... another $10 million in lawyer=a$$shole over
the top/yet doomed to failure safety measures for the attraction.. and
then based on the nonstop problems Disneyland had with the Saucers back
then... add in another $50 million more in fixes and more fixes until
the plug is pulled again.
Sorta eerily Rocket Rods/old Flying Saucers-like deja vu.
They looked fun, they looked Tomorrowish... but really their time came
and went and they went with it years ago. That's why they have been
still resting in Yesterland.
Tomorrowland is about tomorrow... I for one am sick and tired as all
hell itelf of RETRO OLD PAST LOOKING-BACK TOMORROWLAND. It's a failure,
it's embarrasingly pathetic and Walt Disney Imagineerings visions of the
future are unbelievably disappointing.
From a creative creationists visionaries POV... It's sickening.
WTF besides Michael Eisner is wrong with WDI and Disney? Really? Has
everyrthing passed them by because they are rules by old last century
minds, creatives, financiers and executives trying to hold onto their
overpaid wages? Any more tired stupid aged boring lame visionless Verne
and Wells centuries old crap in TOMORROWLAND and I'm gonna take up
puking professionally and go on a world tour.
(The opinion of one)
Bruce L. Bergman
Probably more like $10 Mil minimum, $20 Mil realistic to recreate
the Flying Saucers, but that would still be cheap.
And unless they can find the old blueprints and notes on how they
got the old ones working, they'll have to start over from the very
beginning and probably blow past $20M. Now if you were building
duplicates of a built and proven design you could crank them out for
below $5 Mil complete and installed...
The basic design is drop-dead simple - but judging from the articles
of the day they had a LOT of operational problems with the individual
poppet valves in the deck sticking, and when too many stuck open at
once and the ride lost enough air pressure under the deck, they all
dropped open at once with a huge BOOM! Then they had to restart the
ride with manual dampers, pressurizing one zone at a time to close the
poppet valves.
Now that we have computers they could automate the whole system -
even put computer controlled dampers on each zone to keep the pressure
under the deck constant under varying loads, or raise it to force the
poppets closed when they stick open. But it's going to cost a ton to
recreate the whole ride system and vehicles from scratch.
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Amy Jo713
Or they could turn the sub lagoon into a bumper boat ride. Don't know how
'futuristic' or related to Tomorrowland it would be, but it would be fun.
Amy
No One
> << >I think they should bring back the flying saucer bumper cars. >>
>
> Or they could turn the sub lagoon into a bumper boat ride. Don't know how
> 'futuristic' or related to Tomorrowland it would be, but it would be fun.
I personally think the Sub Lagoon should get drained, get a full
extensive rehab and then get a 2 inches deep - below the surface of the
water - complete plexiglass coverage-treatment built and then Aquatopia
(2.0) from Tokyo Disney Sea should be changed a little, some kind of
show/theming/storyline added to the vehicles/lagoon/show building-caves
and that would rock.
A really fast/quick portion in those little GPS vehicles as part of the
attraction 'show' could be really cool also.
Random show FX and show elements.. like an east-side Indy maybe.
I mean.. the lake is nice.. and I don't want the old Subbys back at
all.. but something new and something better-yet similar to TDS
Aquatopia is called Innovation.
That's what Tomorrowland was based on and created for in 1955.
Todd
> The present photos show a dim TL with a gloom cast over it that
> only Malificent could love.
Hey:
I was in Disneyland a few months ago and, regrettably, your
description of "gloom" was quite literally true in Tomorrowland.
Yes, this was partially due to overcast weather, but even moreso
because the place was nearly empty, devoid of not just attractions but
any people milling about. The reason didn't require a leap of logic:
There's very little left to do or see there.
"Honey, I Shrunk The Audience" is still a fine attraction, and "Star
Tours" is still one of the best rides in the park...
...but the heart of TL seems like a void. And, no, "Innoventions"
(playing Disney computer games you can play at home) doesn't fill it.
No Space Mountain, no attraction to fill in Submarine Lagoon, no
Carousel of Anything, no Mission to Anywhere - not even the hope of
the (usually down for maintenance) Rocket Rods.
Gloom, indeed. At Disneyland...
...Tomorrow's not looking very bright.
Todd
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