Me an ADDer?
Fins4Mike
>
Nope I'm a cast member. Not a bucked toothed, fat, smelly Annual Passholder
with no life. If you would like to respond to that feel free to go to city
hall. Thank You.
Matthew Beard
web page at http://hometown.aol.com/fins4mike .
I hate it when teenagers get rude...
Fins4Mike <fins...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990722044135...@ng-ce1.aol.com...
Gwendolyn Ann Smith
<fins...@aol.com> wrote:
> Nope I'm a cast member. Not a bucked toothed, fat, smelly Annual Passholder
> with no life. If you would like to respond to that feel free to go to city
> hall. Thank You.
Actually... you post here, you're an ADDer. Just like me, or Fab, or
Jason, or Steve, of Sean, or Jason, or Beverly, or Chris, or, or...
well, the list is kinda long.
This should, hopefully, show you that not all ADDers fit your
stereotypes. In fact, I would suspect that *most* do not fit your view
of what an "ADDer" is.
I suspect that I am pretty far off from your stereotype, too. No buck
teeth, no annual pass, no "scent," not really fat (though I could lose
a pound or two), and I actually do have a life.
Now Mike, I'm sorry you do have a "negative" view of the folks who post
here, but I, for one, do hope that you'll be able to get past all of
that and join on in. You've probably got a lot that you could
contribute around here. :-)
Cheers,
Gwen Smith
--
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|--|/------ Gwendolyn Ann Smith-Artist & Designer ---|
|--|--------------- gwen...@aol.com ---------------|
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`v'
Tom Hampton
Is this cathartic for you? Good luck with exorcising whatever it is that ails
you. Take care and get well soon!
Tom
>>By posting here, YOU are an "ADDer". Lighten up, man...
Fins4Mike responded:
The Fabulous Disney Babe
So, are you a fat, bucktoothed Cast Member?
It's also a type of snake. So, doubly for you, darling.
Fab
On 22 Jul 1999 08:41:35 GMT, fins...@aol.com (Fins4Mike) wrote so
eloquently:
>>By posting here, YOU are an "ADDer". Lighten up, man...
>>
>
>Nope I'm a cast member. Not a bucked toothed, fat, smelly Annual Passholder
>with no life. If you would like to respond to that feel free to go to city
>hall. Thank You.
The Fabulous Disney Babe
http://members.aol.com/alweho
"Chart a course for a series of adventures,
To unknown seas and lost lands;
To a realm of infinite mystery and unearthly beauty,
Which man has yet to Discover."
~Discovery Bay Chronicles
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The Fabulous Disney Babe
Fab
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:28:01 -0500, "Matthew Beard"
<Matt_...@email.msn.com> wrote so eloquently:
>If you want to know who to mention when you get to city hall, check out his
>web page at http://hometown.aol.com/fins4mike .
>
>I hate it when teenagers get rude...
>
>Fins4Mike <fins...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:19990722044135...@ng-ce1.aol.com...
Tom Hampton
>Jimmy Buffet is god, Mike Ritchie. You don't deserve Jimmy.
>
>Fab
Actualy, supposedly it is "Ritchey" if you care to take up Mike's City Hall
invitation.
Tom
Kronos
wrote, and here I quote:
"Disneyland is one of my favorite places to go when I'm looking for something to
do. Living so close and having an annual pass, it's kind of hard to not want to
go there as much as I do."
Busted....
-Kronos
Tarzan
now do I?
Tarzan wrote:
>
> I think most adders fall under my steriotype of adders...idiots (quark)
> are a few...not most though. But I think most adders are a little
> over-paranoid about Disneyland not being perfect.
>
> <snip>
> Gwendolyn Ann Smith wrote:
> >
> > In article <19990722044135...@ng-ce1.aol.com>, Fins4Mike
> > <fins...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> In fact, I would suspect that *most* do not fit your view
> > of what an "ADDer" is.
> >
>
> >
> > --
> > _
> > | )
> > |--|/------ Gwendolyn Ann Smith-Artist & Designer ---|
> > |--|--------------- gwen...@aol.com ---------------|
> > |-/|.------ Listen to the Sounds of Disneyland ------|
> > |(-|-)- http://members.aol.com/gwensmith/dland.html -|
> > |-`|'----- AA1p0 CCWB0 aAR ED400 FY2 nk0 W21 M25 ----|
> > 0 |
> > `v'
>
> --
> -J.J.
> Future Disney Imagineer
>
> "A mind is like a parachute--it functions only when open."
> -unknown
> "Insist upon yourself. Be original." -Ralph Waldo Emerson
> "Sarcasm is one of my finest qualities for forgetting what my occupation
> is." -Disneyland CM (Natalie)
> "I’m always right and everybody else is always wrong! What’s to argue
> about?!" -Calvin and Hobbes
> "I think geniuses should be given special considerations." -Calvin
> and Hobbes
> °o° °o° °o° °o° °o° °o° °o° °o° °o° °o° °o° °o° °o° °o°
> As Per US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5,Subchapter II 227
> Unsolicited [JUNK MAIL] commercial advertising is NOT Welcome here
> J.J.
--
-J.J.
Future Disney Imagineer
"A mind is like a parachute--it functions only when open."
-unknown
"Insist upon yourself. Be original." -Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Sarcasm is one of my finest qualities for forgetting what my occupation
is." -Disneyland CM (Natalie)
"I’m always right and everybody else is always wrong! What’s to argue
about?!" -Calvin and Hobbes
"I think geniuses should be given special considerations." -Calvin
and Hobbes
°o° °o° °o° °o° °o° °o° °o° °o° °o° °o° °o° °o° °o° °o°
As Per US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5,Subchapter II 227
Unsolicited [JUNK MAIL] commercial advertising is NOT Welcome here
J.J.
Tarzan
Bradford Duncan
his or her opinion. However, if you are indeed a cast member, it's probably
better not to express such opinions immediately after identifying yourself
as such. I imagine the Disney Company does not share your feeling that this
newsgroup is made of "bucked toothed,fat,smelly Annual Passholder[s] with no
li[ves]." When you're at work as a CM, do you broadcast (in words or
actions--of commission or omission) similar feelings about guests who happen
to have prominent incisors? What about those who are overweight or obese?
Hmmm. What about racial minorities?
All the same, there is something to be said for your candor. Therefore, I
think I will take you up on your offer to respond to City Hall (and a few
other important places).
Have a great day,
Brad
Fins4Mike <fins...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990722044135...@ng-ce1.aol.com...
<snip>
Jeffrey Graebner
news:3797A42E...@home.com...
> I think most adders fall under my steriotype of adders...idiots (quark)
> are a few...not most though. But I think most adders are a little
> over-paranoid about Disneyland not being perfect.
I really do want Disneyland to be perfect. In fact, that is what I want of
everyone and everything that I encounter in life and I would hope that I am
not alone in that want. Of course, I realize that we live in an imperfect
world meaning that nothing is ever going to be completely perfect. That
knowledge does not mean that I or anyone else should stop striving for
perfection in everything we do.
What I expect of the people in charge of Disneyland is for them to do their
best to bring the park as close to perfection as possible. I am well aware
that there are many, many real world obstacles that will cause them to
sometimes fall short of perfection, but they should at least be trying.
When I see frequent and widespread examples of correctable problems at
Disneyland, that suggests to me that they are not aiming for perfection and
as a frequent customer I absolutely do feel justified in pointing that out.
Disneyland was built by a team that was led by a man who was never satisfied
by less than perfection. I see no reason to expect any less of a commitment
from the heirs to his legacy.
--
Jeffrey Graebner
Email: jeff_g...@compuserve.com
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Davko58
> > I think most adders fall under my steriotype of adders...idiots (quark)
> > are a few...not most though. But I think most adders are a little
> > over-paranoid about Disneyland not being perfect.
> I really do want Disneyland to be perfect. In fact, that is what I want of
> everyone and everything that I encounter in life and I would hope that I am
> not alone in that want.
Oh, c'mon Jeff. If everything was perfect life would be incredibly
boring. I know in my personal life it is the imperfections in myself
and the girlfriend that keep things interesting.
> Of course, I realize that we live in an imperfect
> world meaning that nothing is ever going to be completely perfect. That
> knowledge does not mean that I or anyone else should stop striving for
> perfection in everything we do.
I have never, do not, and never will strive for perfection in any area
of my life. I do the best I can, which I realize up front will not be
perfect, and hope for the best. To those of you out there striving for
perfection: STOP. It will give you a heart attack.
> What I expect of the people in charge of Disneyland is for them to do their
> best to bring the park as close to perfection as possible.
You are getting warmer.
> I am well aware
> that there are many, many real world obstacles that will cause them to
> sometimes fall short of perfection, but they should at least be trying.
Yes, they should try to do the best they can; which will never be
perfect.
> When I see frequent and widespread examples of correctable problems at
> Disneyland, that suggests to me that they are not aiming for perfection and
> as a frequent customer I absolutely do feel justified in pointing that out.
Well, I point out stuff too, but that doesn't mean they are somehow
guilty of a crime if a gum wrapper blows by somebody waiting in a queue.
> Disneyland was built by a team that was led by a man who was never satisfied
> by less than perfection.
Walt Disney was extremely creative and energetic, but far from perfect;
he had many vices and made many mistakes. Just like the rest of us. He
may not have been satisfied with anything less than perfection, but he
opened DL in a (ahem) slightly less than perfect state. Hell, you
couldn't even get a drink of water. Was the Dutch Boy Color Gallery or
the Kaiser Hall of Aluminum Fame perfect? How about the Phantom Boats?
> I see no reason to expect any less of a commitment
> from the heirs to his legacy.
>
> --
> Jeffrey Graebner
I would have found more here to agree with if Paul P. was still the man
on the spot. I think the current management is doing pretty good.
Davko58
Jon Nadelberg
> > I think most adders fall under my steriotype of adders...idiots (quark)
> > are a few...not most though. But I think most adders are a little
> > over-paranoid about Disneyland not being perfect.
>
> I really do want Disneyland to be perfect. In fact, that is what I want of
> everyone and everything that I encounter in life and I would hope that I am
> world meaning that nothing is ever going to be completely perfect. That
> knowledge does not mean that I or anyone else should stop striving for
> perfection in everything we do.
>
There is no such thing as perfection. What one person may think is a
perfect ideal, another person would consider flawed.
> What I expect of the people in charge of Disneyland is for them to do their
> best to bring the park as close to perfection as possible. I am well aware
> that there are many, many real world obstacles that will cause them to
> sometimes fall short of perfection, but they should at least be trying.
> When I see frequent and widespread examples of correctable problems at
> Disneyland, that suggests to me that they are not aiming for perfection and
> as a frequent customer I absolutely do feel justified in pointing that out.
This is a ridiculous expectation, and one that does nothing but dampen
the spirits of the people who work at the park. If you can't get it
"perfect," and that's what is desired, what's the point in trying?
The goal you want to attain is being the best you can be. Can you do
better than you are right now? Are there ways to improve? Can you do
them? That's what you strive for.
>
> Disneyland was built by a team that was led by a man who was never satisfied
> by less than perfection. I see no reason to expect any less of a commitment
> from the heirs to his legacy.
This is not true. Walt Disney was not a man who was not satisfied by
less than perfection. What he strived for in his animations was
realism, and being the best that could be done for the time.
--
jo...@pacbell.net
See 1970s Disneyland
http://home.pacbell.net/jonvn
George C. Cohan
> By the way, what department do I work in again?
Oh, whoops? Did you forget? Merchandise.
--
George C. Cohan
Vive la revolution d'Goddard!
Kronos
-Kronos
corn dog
some uptight usenet person is probably really going to complain to city hall
about this kid.
-c
= Corndog!
*kungfoo munky!
*banned from #addisneyland!
*scared of clowns
BrggaNgga
>now do I?
no you dont,not in here anyways,yo know how anal they can get about that
stuff
CAnder1755
check out my site
http://members.aol.com/spectint/page/index.htm
The Fabulous Disney Babe
Fab
(looking in the mirror)
On Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:06:52 GMT, Kronos <haunted...@home.com>
wrote so eloquently:
The Fabulous Disney Babe
Fins4Mike
This is Mike Ritchey and I would like to respond to all of of your
constructive comments. Number one. That web page that you computer geeks
actually took the time to find, was made about 4 years ago so as one of you
said "HA busted." I WAS an annual passholder but not an Anal Assholder like
the rest of you. Numero Dos, that means number two. Speaking of number two,
that's what all of you smell like. Number three, Don't insult Jimmy Buffett.
Moving on. Number four, I understand that some of you are going to take up my
offer on going to City Hall to respond to this. I can't wait to hear all the
great things you have to say. By the way, what department do I work in again?
Hope that you no lifers have fun at your next Sunday meeting talking all about
me and how you, "Plan to take over the world." Nanoo Nanoo, Live long and
Prosper.
Love,
Mikey
Fins4Mike
20th Century Music Company so That's why I put that in that one posting. Just
for the sake of it being easier than actually writing, I work by the shop so I
can freely go into it and make you a CD. Nice try buster.
Davko58
You really should have quit while you were ahead, if you ever were....
Davko58
Bruce Bergman
Just in case you hadn't figured it out for yourself yet, I'll make it
crystal clear:
I don't know what your problem is - and on further reflection I really
don't want to know...., but you *do* realize that Team Disney Anaheim has
people assigned to read this newsgroup, as well as the folks in Burbank,
and selected postings are printed and forwarded to the affected department
heads? Having an admitted CM (if this is true) 'going off' rather nastily
in public at people that clearly identify themselves as DL Guests is NOT
the way to earn points with your employer.
They might not notice, but then again they might choose you to be the
'Example Of The Week'. Either way, please Chill. There are assholes in
all walks of life, you just have to deal with them and move on.
--<< Bruce >>--
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>
> Why would I spell it out that I work in Merchandise. I don't. I work by the
> 20th Century Music Company so That's why I put that in that one posting. Just
> for the sake of it being easier than actually writing, I work by the shop so I
> can freely go into it and make you a CD. Nice try buster.
Yeah you're right. YOu work by it. You work one store north of it at
Disneyana
Lynn Gustafson
>
> oops...STEREOTYPE...don't want to get in trouble for mis-spelling a word
> now do I?
Don't worry, it is not your spelling that gets you in trouble. It's your
attitude.
Lynn Gustafson
David Hall
However, he *might* benefit for "Changes in attitude"! <g>
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, The Fabulous Disney Babe wrote:
> Jimmy Buffet is god, Mike Ritchie. You don't deserve Jimmy.
>
> Fab
>
> On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:28:01 -0500, "Matthew Beard"
> <Matt_...@email.msn.com> wrote so eloquently:
>
> >If you want to know who to mention when you get to city hall, check out his
> >web page at http://hometown.aol.com/fins4mike .
> >
> >I hate it when teenagers get rude...
> >
> >Fins4Mike <fins...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:19990722044135...@ng-ce1.aol.com...
> >> >By posting here, YOU are an "ADDer". Lighten up, man...
> >> >
> >>
> >> Nope I'm a cast member. Not a bucked toothed, fat, smelly Annual
> >Passholder
> >> with no life. If you would like to respond to that feel free to go to
> >city
> >> hall. Thank You.
> >
>
Jeffrey Graebner
news:3797D11F...@sprintmail.com...
> Oh, c'mon Jeff. If everything was perfect life would be incredibly
> boring. I know in my personal life it is the imperfections in myself
> and the girlfriend that keep things interesting.
Since perfection really doesn't exist, there isn't any real world experience
to prove whether or not a truly utopian world would be boring. That said, I
can certainly see the point that a lot of what makes life interesting comes
from the attempts to improve.
> I have never, do not, and never will strive for perfection in any area
> of my life. I do the best I can, which I realize up front will not be
> perfect, and hope for the best. To those of you out there striving for
> perfection: STOP. It will give you a heart attack.
What I was really trying to do with my earlier message was to use the words
of the original poster to try and turn his attack into a positive. Perhaps
I fell a bit short of perfection in the attempt. <g> All I really was
saying was that I expect Disneyland to do the best they can. I simply do
not have a lot of respect for people that don't make that effort.
Perfection is not an achievable goal, but it is best to strive to come as
close to it as you can.
> > When I see frequent and widespread examples of correctable problems at
> > Disneyland, that suggests to me that they are not aiming for perfection
and
> > as a frequent customer I absolutely do feel justified in pointing that
out.
>
> Well, I point out stuff too, but that doesn't mean they are somehow
> guilty of a crime if a gum wrapper blows by somebody waiting in a queue.
You know, I don't think I've >ever< seen anyone on this newsgroup complain
about anything as trivial as that. The key words that I used were "frequent
and widespread". Some of the concerns expressed on the newsgroup (and
various websites) would certainly be trivial in isolated incidents, but
become more significant due to frequency of occurance. Complaining about
one burnt-out light bulb is an overreaction to trivia. Complaining that 1/4
of the light bulbs on Main Street are burnt out and remain so for weeks at a
time is a different story.
> > Disneyland was built by a team that was led by a man who was never
satisfied
> > by less than perfection.
>
> Walt Disney was extremely creative and energetic, but far from perfect;
> he had many vices and made many mistakes. Just like the rest of us. He
> may not have been satisfied with anything less than perfection, but he
> opened DL in a (ahem) slightly less than perfect state. Hell, you
> couldn't even get a drink of water. Was the Dutch Boy Color Gallery or
> the Kaiser Hall of Aluminum Fame perfect? How about the Phantom Boats?
I didn't say that Walt Disney >was< perfect. I said that he wasn't
satisfied by less than perfection. He was constantly looking for ways to
improve the park and he acknowledged and learned from his mistakes. He
recognized the importance of details and was generally not one to cut
corners and hope that people wouldn't notice.
> > I see no reason to expect any less of a commitment
> > from the heirs to his legacy.
> I would have found more here to agree with if Paul P. was still the man
> on the spot. I think the current management is doing pretty good.
They are certainly doing a lot better, although there is definitely still
room for improvement. I absolutely give them credit for trying a lot harder
now than they have been in the recent past. I also have noticed that the
posts to this newsgroup (as well as on key websites) have been leaning
towards the positive recently.
Matthew Beard
Let me give you some advice on the real world and the internet.
The computer "geeks" you so readily seem to insult are the people who made
life easy for you right now. You wouldn't have this internet, or your
computer, to play around on and spend so much time on this news group.
Almost everything you use now has a computer in it to make life easier for
you. Someone has to do the work so you can play.
What is a computer "geek"? Let see, I spent the time and money (my own) to
get a four year degree in computer science. I have become one of the best
technical people in my area of expertise in the software portion of the
Aerospace industry. I am now a manager of a section of software engineers
that have a wide degree of knowledge, both at work and on the internet. I
was an officer in the combat engineers field in the Army and National Guard.
I have played basketball and baseball in school. I earned a black belt in
Tae Kwon Doe a couple of years ago and actively assist in instructing
others. A computer "geek" is not necessarily the high school kid who has no
social life - it is a person who becomes knowledgeable in finding out
information and how to do things with the computers. By the way, I don't
have a AP, but was reading this news group since I will be in LA for a
convention in a couple of weeks.
You never know who you may insult on the internet; especially in one of
these news groups. I am no expert in "hacking" - I haven't done any since
college 16 years ago - but in your case it took less than 5 minutes. Any
email address can be traced to the owner since all the information is in
databases. In your case, all I had to do was go to aol.com search for
fins4mike on the personal web sites and got your "Unofficial Disney Site"
pages you began. A simple erase of the page names in the address line gave
me the page you say is 4 years old. So, I'll admit that I made a mistake
and assumed you were still a senior in high school. Most people update
their web sites. So this makes you 20 or 21 and still means you are too
young to have such a negative attitude about people in general (I read a lot
of your group postings).
This was easy. Even without being an expert, I could find your address and
phone number within a couple of hours and probably have your driver's
license and social security number with 24 hours. Luckily, I am not
vindictive, though there are a lot of people out there who are and have a
lot more abilities than I am. If you get one of them upset with you, your
bank account can easily go to a zero balance, your phone bill could suddenly
becomes thousands of dollars, your credit report could show multiple
bankruptcies, you could become a serial murderer in the police files, and
the IRS could suddenly get notices on how you cheated them and have been
hiding your income. It doesn't matter if none of this is real, it would
still cause years of discomfort. For that reason, you and everyone else,
should be careful of what is posted. Anyone online (myself included) can be
tracked and identified. It just takes time and knowledge - and a reason.
As for your working in a given department or building, it doesn't matter.
Large corporations tend to frown on anyone identifying themselves with the
given corporation and then insulting potential or repeat customers. It
doesn't matter if it was on your time or not. You have identified yourself
as a CM in this news group and on your web page. All it would take is
someone going to customer service / city hall and showing them some of your
postings. You think that the Disney Corporation couldn't identify you by
your name? I would almost bet that the Disney Corporation would have
someone talk to you and at the very least give you a warning if they don't
outright release you. They have enough problems with public image without
assistance from an employee who insults people.
That is assuming that you haven't upset someone enough to get them to make
up a story about you. Disney, as well as the corporation I work for, are
governed by federal laws and guidelines. Having seen it happen before, I
can tell you that it is easier for a company to just release an employee
because of a claim of sexual harassment or other action covered by the
federal (even state or local) laws. A company is not willing to waste the
money it would take to really investigate an allegation - whether true or
not. They may be willing to do a cursory look into it, but only to document
the response to the allegation(s).
Which brings up my last item of advice... What do you have planned for
life? You're not planning to be a CM forever, are you? While it is a
respectable profession, and something to be proud of, I doubt you can
support a family on the salary (having two preteen children has shown me how
much it costs). Aerospace, being on the lesser paid side of the software
industry, is the only example I can give you at this time. Due to the
increase in demand for programmers, I had to over two college grads (with
GPAs of 2.6 and 2.8) over 39K to be able to compete with what other
companies offered. I heard that some grads received in the 50-60K range.
The computer, and other engineering fields, are only getting bigger in the
number of jobs they have to offer. I have seen estimates of up to 30%
openings unfilled this year. If you do nothing else, seriously consider
your future.
Matt Beard
Fins4Mike <fins...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990723024323...@ng-ft1.aol.com...
Kronos
-Kronos
Davko58
>
> Davko58 <Dav...@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3797D11F...@sprintmail.com...
> > Oh, c'mon Jeff. If everything was perfect life would be incredibly
> > boring. I know in my personal life it is the imperfections in myself
> > and the girlfriend that keep things interesting.
> Since perfection really doesn't exist, there isn't any real world experience
> to prove whether or not a truly utopian world would be boring. That said, I
> can certainly see the point that a lot of what makes life interesting comes
> from the attempts to improve.
Or even from facets of ourselves we know are not perfect, or even all
that pleasant, and we still have no desire to change them. I think its
fairly rare to succeed in attempts at personal improvements if they are
done for the benefit of someone else.
> > I have never, do not, and never will strive for perfection in any area
> > of my life. I do the best I can, which I realize up front will not be
> > perfect, and hope for the best. To those of you out there striving for
> > perfection: STOP. It will give you a heart attack.
> What I was really trying to do with my earlier message was to use the words
> of the original poster to try and turn his attack into a positive. Perhaps
> I fell a bit short of perfection in the attempt. <g> All I really was
> saying was that I expect Disneyland to do the best they can. I simply do
> not have a lot of respect for people that don't make that effort.
> Perfection is not an achievable goal, but it is best to strive to come as
> close to it as you can.
Yeah, but perfection in what? Everyone's perception of perfect must
necessarily differ. To me, perfect might be an entire park filled with
elaborate dark and water rides with only sit down restaurants. To
someone else, a park filled with looping coasters and a million ODV
carts might be perfect.
> > Well, I point out stuff too, but that doesn't mean they are somehow
> > guilty of a crime if a gum wrapper blows by somebody waiting in a queue.
> You know, I don't think I've >ever< seen anyone on this newsgroup complain
> about anything as trivial as that.
I certainly have. I have a distinct memory of a picture of an unpainted
trash can that got somebody all fired up.
> The key words that I used were "frequent
> and widespread". Some of the concerns expressed on the newsgroup (and
> various websites) would certainly be trivial in isolated incidents, but
> become more significant due to frequency of occurance. Complaining about
> one burnt-out light bulb is an overreaction to trivia. Complaining that 1/4
> of the light bulbs on Main Street are burnt out and remain so for weeks at a
> time is a different story.
I was also disappointed about a ton of burned out bulbs, and a lot of
other things that were/are neglected, but when you look back that was
really always the case, although maybe not to the extent we see these
days. But it will get better.
> > > Disneyland was built by a team that was led by a man who was never
> satisfied
> > > by less than perfection.
> > Walt Disney was extremely creative and energetic, but far from perfect;
> > he had many vices and made many mistakes. Just like the rest of us. He
> > may not have been satisfied with anything less than perfection, but he
> > opened DL in a (ahem) slightly less than perfect state. Hell, you
> > couldn't even get a drink of water. Was the Dutch Boy Color Gallery or
> > the Kaiser Hall of Aluminum Fame perfect? How about the Phantom Boats?
> I didn't say that Walt Disney >was< perfect. I said that he wasn't
> satisfied by less than perfection. He was constantly looking for ways to
> improve the park and he acknowledged and learned from his mistakes. He
> recognized the importance of details and was generally not one to cut
> corners and hope that people wouldn't notice.
Generally, you are right. But specifically, the original Tomorrowland
was a cheap, half assed presentation that opened with lots of cut
corners and missing details. It remained mostly in that state for 12
years. I happened to like it anyway, which means maybe I don't really
want perfection, just character. A little cheesy-funky atmosphere can
be more appealing than the sterile ideal.
> > > I see no reason to expect any less of a commitment
> > > from the heirs to his legacy.
> > I would have found more here to agree with if Paul P. was still the man
> > on the spot. I think the current management is doing pretty good.
> They are certainly doing a lot better, although there is definitely still
> room for improvement. I absolutely give them credit for trying a lot harder
> now than they have been in the recent past. I also have noticed that the
> posts to this newsgroup (as well as on key websites) have been leaning
> towards the positive recently.
Definitely the case. The frequent criticism of "A.D.D." for being too
negative is off base. Most people who post here are in fact positive,
while criticizing some things they don't like. That was not always the
case, however........
I don't knock people for being critical here, I am often critical of the
park and the Disney Company as well. Its when the criticism turns mean
and petty and focuses on minutae that I must disagree. I would hope
that those who place so much emphasis on the ideal of absolute
perfection would someday be able to relax and just enjoy the park and
life in general.
Davko58