Public Statement from The Bunny
Iluminaria
allegations, as described to me, are not true. Matt Orkin did not get his
facts straight.
First of all, apparently, there is a picture of a CM from Mansion doing
something objectionable posted on the web. THIS IS NOT POSTED ON MY SITE. I
DID NOT TAKE THE PICTURE. THE SITE BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE.
I know the person whose site it is, and I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONTENT OF
OTHER PEOPLE'S WEB PAGES.
Secondly, none of the pictures on Anaheim Mike's page show anyone doing
anything that would merit getting a pass revoked. The pictures are of:
- people walking
- group shots in several places in the park
- people smiling
- someone laughing
These are all things that guests do at Disneyland and are commonplace.
Last, the CM picture in question is NOT among the thumbnails for public viewing
on Anaheim Mike's meet pics page. I did not know it was even uploaded until
someone told me ten minutes ago. It seems that someone did some deep sea
fishing to find this pic.
This is my statement, and I'm sticking to it. If Matt Orkin wants to pick it
apart (as I'm sure he will, considering that he apparently has an unusual
fascination with me), that's fine. I won't see it, because he is killfiled.
But everything he says should be taken with a salt lick. You have to wonder
about someone whose entire life seems to revolve around picking out little
things about people to rake them with and then developing a weird obsession
with slamming them in a public forum. Get a hobby or something. Stamp
collecting is fun.
And Matt, if I wanted to, I could sue your ass for libel. I have a lawyer
sitting here with me, and she says I certainly could. Food for thought.
The Bunny
TDC BunnyBTSMG, Imperial Grand Duchess of Disneyland Vegetarian Cuisine and
High Priestess of Harmonious Craic
Mike
them.
On Thursday night, several of us went to a mix-in meet. I took quite a few
pictures, and posted some of them on the ADDpics page.
http://homepages.go.com/~addpics/ - Click on the October Meets link to
see them )
The next day there was a small meet to welcome an adder who came down from
Fresno. I also took pictures at that meet.
I posted all of the pictures I took both days in a temp directory on my home
page.
I gave the URL to people in the #addisneyland channel. Because these were
personal pictures, the link was not posted on the newsgroup (until Matt took
it upon himself to post it).
Apparently someone fueled Matt's fascination with Liz and gave him the URL
to the link where pictures that were intended for people who attend the
meets (and not for the general public or people like Matt who have an odd
obsession with us and delight in ripping apart everything we do) were
located.
Matt: If you don't like us, or think that we are odd, ignore us. Your
obsession with us in general and Liz in particular is kinda scary. I've
only met you once, and you seemed like a nice enough guy in person. What
comes over you when you sit at your keyboard and type venom all day......
Do you need help? Are your obsessions out of control? Is there some sort
of medication that would help you?
You had to dig pretty deep to find the picture you mentioned, Matt. All of
the pictures I took were thumbnailed except that one. How long did you
spend digging through my directory? Hours? It must be nice to have all
of that time on your hands - time you spend to take jabs at a group you say
you have no use for........
You are one very odd guy.
Mike
Iluminaria <ilumi...@aol.communism> wrote in message
news:19991024031644...@ng-fo1.aol.com...
Matt
Mike wrote:
> There were two ADD get togethers this week. I took pictures at both of
> them.
>
> On Thursday night, several of us went to a mix-in meet. I took quite a few
> pictures, and posted some of them on the ADDpics page.
> http://homepages.go.com/~addpics/ - Click on the October Meets link to
> see them )
>
> The next day there was a small meet to welcome an adder who came down from
> Fresno. I also took pictures at that meet.
>
> I posted all of the pictures I took both days in a temp directory on my home
> page.
>
> I gave the URL to people in the #addisneyland channel. Because these were
> personal pictures, the link was not posted on the newsgroup (until Matt took
> it upon himself to post it).
How do you know that I wasn't in that channel? I am there quite frequently.
> Apparently someone fueled Matt's fascination with Liz and gave him the URL
> to the link where pictures that were intended for people who attend the
> meets (and not for the general public or people like Matt who have an odd
> obsession with us and delight in ripping apart everything we do) were
> located.
Yes, someone did infact give me that link.
> Matt: If you don't like us, or think that we are odd, ignore us. Your
> obsession with us in general and Liz in particular is kinda scary.
Oh I'm scary. Its really kinda hard to see things from my perspective, when you
are right there in the nitty gritty of the "Brigade".
> I've only met you once, and you seemed like a nice enough guy in person.
Well I was faking it. I am a terrible person. Ask people that know me.
> What comes over you when you sit at your keyboard and type venom all day......
There was a time when DL meets were great. Now they ruin the environment for
all DL guests. That is what I have against you. I can't even go to the park
anymore without running into a couple addrs.
> Do you need help? Are your obsessions out of control? Is there some sort
> of medication that would help you?
Yes they are out of control. Can you help me?
> You had to dig pretty deep to find the picture you mentioned, Matt. All of
> the pictures I took were thumbnailed except that one. How long did you
> spend digging through my directory? Hours?
Actually someone gave me the link, BUT you weren't very good hiding that file.
I was looking at the pictures 112, 113, 115. Where is 114? So all one needed
to do was tryout 114.jpg. Just because you aren't savvy enough to figure this
out, doesn't mean others are. BTW if you didn't want anyone to see it, you
shoulda put it in a protected directory or not posted it at all. It was posted
for the world to see. That is the beauty of the internet.
> It must be nice to have all
> of that time on your hands - time you spend to take jabs at a group you say
> you have no use for........
It is. You would like it.
> You are one very odd guy.
Thanks.
Matt
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You might consider that posting that picture on a web page could have
repercussions for the person in the photo. He could likely get fired
for that.
You seem to not care about who you hurt with your photos, yet you wonder
why some of us don't understand your concept of having a good time.
Well, this is a good example. Your fun is destructive, mean, and
uncaring.
Mike wrote:
>
> There were two ADD get togethers this week. I took pictures at both of
> them.
>
> On Thursday night, several of us went to a mix-in meet. I took quite a few
> pictures, and posted some of them on the ADDpics page.
> http://homepages.go.com/~addpics/ - Click on the October Meets link to
> see them )
>
> The next day there was a small meet to welcome an adder who came down from
> Fresno. I also took pictures at that meet.
>
> I posted all of the pictures I took both days in a temp directory on my home
> page.
>
> I gave the URL to people in the #addisneyland channel. Because these were
> personal pictures, the link was not posted on the newsgroup (until Matt took
> it upon himself to post it).
>
> Apparently someone fueled Matt's fascination with Liz and gave him the URL
> to the link where pictures that were intended for people who attend the
> meets (and not for the general public or people like Matt who have an odd
> obsession with us and delight in ripping apart everything we do) were
> located.
>
> Matt: If you don't like us, or think that we are odd, ignore us. Your
> obsession with us in general and Liz in particular is kinda scary. I've
> only met you once, and you seemed like a nice enough guy in person. What
> comes over you when you sit at your keyboard and type venom all day......
> Do you need help? Are your obsessions out of control? Is there some sort
> of medication that would help you?
>
> You had to dig pretty deep to find the picture you mentioned, Matt. All of
> the pictures I took were thumbnailed except that one. How long did you
> spend digging through my directory? Hours? It must be nice to have all
> of that time on your hands - time you spend to take jabs at a group you say
> you have no use for........
>
> You are one very odd guy.
>
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Kevin Yee
Jon Nadelberg wrote:
> Mike --
>
> You might consider that posting that picture on a web page could have
> repercussions for the person in the photo. He could likely get fired
> for that.
Actually, by posting that picture Mike did nothing to get that guy fired. By
calling public attention to the picture, Matt went alot further in the direction
of getting that guy fired.
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Matt
Iluminaria wrote:
> Some people told me that some allegations were made against me. The
> allegations, as described to me, are not true. Matt Orkin did not get his
> facts straight.
Get your facts straight and read my post. You are talking about things that you
haven't even seen.
> First of all, apparently, there is a picture of a CM from Mansion doing
> something objectionable posted on the web. THIS IS NOT POSTED ON MY SITE. I
> DID NOT TAKE THE PICTURE. THE SITE BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE.
Right. This is clarified. But you were there that day. Hugging the CM in
question.
> I know the person whose site it is, and I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONTENT OF
> OTHER PEOPLE'S WEB PAGES.
Fine. We agree on that.
> Secondly, none of the pictures on Anaheim Mike's page show anyone doing
> anything that would merit getting a pass revoked. The pictures are of:
>
> - people walking
> - group shots in several places in the park
> - people smiling
> - someone laughing
Where does this come? Who said anything about passes being revoked? You should
read my post.
> These are all things that guests do at Disneyland and are commonplace.
Yes, but CM's flipping the bird is not commonplace. Not that YOU had anything to
do with it.
> Last, the CM picture in question is NOT among the thumbnails for public viewing
> on Anaheim Mike's meet pics page.
It might not be among the thumbnails, but it is for public viewing. He posted the
pic to his directory. It was free to the entire world to view.
> I did not know it was even uploaded until
> someone told me ten minutes ago. It seems that someone did some deep sea
> fishing to find this pic.
Nope. It was right there. He should have been smart and not posted the picture.
Or put a password on it.
> This is my statement, and I'm sticking to it. If Matt Orkin wants to pick it
> apart (as I'm sure he will, considering that he apparently has an unusual
> fascination with me), that's fine.
Because your reasoning is wrong. How can you know what I said, if you didn't read
my post?
> I won't see it, because he is killfiled.
BFD.
> But everything he says should be taken with a salt lick. You have to wonder
> about someone whose entire life seems to revolve around picking out little
> things about people to rake them with and then developing a weird obsession
> with slamming them in a public forum.
The only weird obsessions I know about is going to DL 3-4 times a week. You also
have to wonder about people who throw rubber fish into Pirates of the Caribbean.
> Get a hobby or something. Stamp collecting is fun.
Is it? Maybe you can give me some pointers.
> And Matt, if I wanted to, I could sue your ass for libel. I have a lawyer
> sitting here with me, and she says I certainly could. Food for thought.
Tell your lawyer friend that it will be a lot easier for me to sue her for
malicious prosecution, than you suing me for libelous with no evidence. The only
evidence I need is your post, which is part of public record. You threatening me,
in a public forum, can also be construed as libelous. I was reporting the news.
Even Dr. Laura couldn't win when people were posting pictures of her "Bush". Tell
your lawyer friend to re-think their strategies. This whole thing is pointless and
ridiculous.
"This is getting to be RE-GOD DAMN-DICULOUS"..John Wayne
Jon Nadelberg
>
> Jon Nadelberg wrote:
>
> > Mike --
> >
> > You might consider that posting that picture on a web page could have
> > repercussions for the person in the photo. He could likely get fired
> > for that.
>
> Actually, by posting that picture Mike did nothing to get that guy fired. By
> calling public attention to the picture, Matt went alot further in the direction
> of getting that guy fired.
Give me a break. You don't put something up like that in the first
place. If Disney sees it, it can get him fired. It's as simple as
that.
This is the problem. You defend certain people when they do things that
are obviously wrong.
And you wonder why people think you people are more than just "friends
getting together."
Matt
Kevin Yee wrote:
> Jon Nadelberg wrote:
>
> > Mike --
> >
> > You might consider that posting that picture on a web page could have
> > repercussions for the person in the photo. He could likely get fired
> > for that.
>
> Actually, by posting that picture Mike did nothing to get that guy fired. By
> calling public attention to the picture, Matt went alot further in the direction
> of getting that guy fired.
Are you kidding me? Mike posted that picture for the world to see. Had he not
wanted the world to see it he would have either: A. Not posted it, or B. Put a
password on it. Ignorance on Mike's part does not make him innocent.
Davko58
> Jon Nadelberg wrote:
> > Mike --
> >
> > You might consider that posting that picture on a web page could have
> > repercussions for the person in the photo. He could likely get fired
> > for that.
> Actually, by posting that picture Mike did nothing to get that guy fired. By
> calling public attention to the picture, Matt went alot further in the direction
> of getting that guy fired.
Wait a minute. I have no bone to pick with Liz or Mike. But if you
post something on the internet that can cause someone a problem, it is
not the fault of the person who LOOKS at the picture. It is certainly
more the fault of the person who posted it, and then told people about
it in an IRC channel. All Matt did was spread the word a little bit.
Thats what happens on the internet, and it must be expected. To say
something like "I posted it in a secretive manner and didn't really want
anyone to look at it" is just silly. Once something hits the web, its
everywhere. If it was meant to be private, we all have something called
e-mail that could have been used to show friends the shot, rather than
using the Worldwide Web. Once its out there, forget about it.......
But to be completely truthful, the person to blame if the guy gets
canned is the GUY HIMSELF. He has the responsibility to behave in an
appropriate manner. He was the one flipping the bird. He was the one
who apparently agreed to have his picture taken. I have no clue if he
expected it to appear on the internet, and he may be surprised to find
out it does. But HE was the one doing the deed in the first place and
should suffer whatever consequences may ensue. Of course it would have
been nice if it wasn't put out there for the whole world to see in the
first place..............
Davko58
jwi...@usa.net
wrote:
>
>Give me a break. You don't put something up like that in the first
>place. If Disney sees it, it can get him fired. It's as simple as
>that.
>
The guy that ought to be the most worried is the CM because it's not a
question of 'if' Disney has seen it, Disney HAS seen it. Remember how
many TDA people follow this newsgroup.
Kevin Yee
> Are you kidding me? Mike posted that picture for the world to see. Had he not
> wanted the world to see it he would have either: A. Not posted it, or B. Put a
> password on it. Ignorance on Mike's part does not make him innocent.
I agree that he might have considered a password. But he did not post it for the world
to see. He posted it for a few friends to see. The temp directory in which it was
stored was not linked from his website. He came into IRC and told some of us where to
find the pics. The CM pic was an afterthought, I'm sure. I found it funny, not
offensive. I have dozens of pics of CM's flipping off the camera. You probably have
some too.
I agree with Davko here... the person who most jeopardized this guy's job is the guy
himself. He should know better than to do that, onstage and to someone he doesn't know
personally.
Still, I do think the matter would have been avoided if the newgroup posting never
happened. Then it would have been a case of no harm, no foul.
Matt
Kevin Yee wrote:
> Matt wrote:
>
> > Are you kidding me? Mike posted that picture for the world to see. Had he not
> > wanted the world to see it he would have either: A. Not posted it, or B. Put a
> > password on it. Ignorance on Mike's part does not make him innocent.
>
> I agree that he might have considered a password. But he did not post it for the world
> to see.
Yes he did. Maybe he didn't want people to see it, but he posted it to the World Wide
Web. Who knows Saddam Husein could have seen it before I posted it. You never know who
is out there.
> He posted it for a few friends to see.
Then he shoulda e-mailed them the link. IRC is no different than posting to the
newsgroup. The person that gave me the link obviously has an agenda against people in the
IRC group. I can't even get into IRC because I am banned.
> The temp directory in which it was stored was not linked from his website. He came into
> IRC and told some of us where to
> find the pics.
Well perhaps he should re-think his practices. That link was given to me and I found it
offensive.
> The CM pic was an afterthought, I'm sure. I found it funny, not
> offensive. I have dozens of pics of CM's flipping off the camera. You probably have
> some too.
No I don't. And I would never condone behavior like that on-stage. It is extremely bad
show.
> I agree with Davko here... the person who most jeopardized this guy's job is the guy
> himself. He should know better than to do that, onstage and to someone he doesn't know
> personally.
Well yeah. What I am most curious is what compelled him to do it? That is what
fascinates me.
> Still, I do think the matter would have been avoided if the newgroup posting never
> happened. Then it would have been a case of no harm, no foul.
Well there is no foul. I found the link and it was DL related so I posted it. This is a
lesson to not trust anyone on the newsgroup. You never know who your friends really are,
and who may be watching you.
Gwendolyn Ann Smith
<cafeo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> But he did not post it for the world
> to see. He posted it for a few friends to see.
Perhaps, then, he should have e-mailed it to those friends, rather than
posting it in a public directory?
Once it was on that directory, then *anyone* theoretically has access.
Maybe Matt shouldn't have made an issue of it -- but if it hadn't been
put up there, then Matt wouldn't have had access ot it to *make* an
issue out of it.
Cheers,
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J.J.
Todd...don't respond, you are killfiled.
Anyhow, its pretty easy to find the pic. From what it appears, and this
is a complete and utter assumption, the pics are numbered...i.e. 112,
113, 114, 115...etc. When looking through the pics, some people take
note of the name. If you are looking at pic 113, and then the next pic
is 115, you are going to be curious (at least I would be...but I didn't
go to the site, so this may be completely wrong) and type in 114. If
Matt did this, then this is what he found.
Furthermore, the pic was posted on the web without a password. Thus, it
is public. It doesn't matter if there isn't a link, it's fairly easy to
get into the index of a certain directory and see what is in the
directory. What Matt did was nothing wrong.
I have a CM friend who knows the CM in question, and is going to notify
him of the situation.
Now, back to lurking!
Mike wrote:
>
>
> You had to dig pretty deep to find the picture you mentioned, Matt. All of
> the pictures I took were thumbnailed except that one. How long did you
> spend digging through my directory? Hours? It must be nice to have all
> of that time on your hands - time you spend to take jabs at a group you say
> you have no use for........
>
> You are one very odd guy.
>
> Mike
>
> Iluminaria <ilumi...@aol.communism> wrote in message
> news:19991024031644...@ng-fo1.aol.com...
> > Some people told me that some allegations were made against me. The
> > allegations, as described to me, are not true. Matt Orkin did not get his
> > facts straight.
> >
> > First of all, apparently, there is a picture of a CM from Mansion doing
> > something objectionable posted on the web. THIS IS NOT POSTED ON MY SITE.
> I
> > DID NOT TAKE THE PICTURE. THE SITE BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE.
> >
> > I know the person whose site it is, and I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
> CONTENT OF
> > OTHER PEOPLE'S WEB PAGES.
> >
> > Secondly, none of the pictures on Anaheim Mike's page show anyone doing
> > anything that would merit getting a pass revoked. The pictures are of:
> >
> > - people walking
> > - group shots in several places in the park
> > - people smiling
> > - someone laughing
> >
> > These are all things that guests do at Disneyland and are commonplace.
> >
> > Last, the CM picture in question is NOT among the thumbnails for public
> viewing
> > on Anaheim Mike's meet pics page. I did not know it was even uploaded
> until
> > someone told me ten minutes ago. It seems that someone did some deep sea
> > fishing to find this pic.
> >
> > This is my statement, and I'm sticking to it. If Matt Orkin wants to pick
> it
> > apart (as I'm sure he will, considering that he apparently has an unusual
> > fascination with me), that's fine. I won't see it, because he is
> killfiled.
> > But everything he says should be taken with a salt lick. You have to
> wonder
> > about someone whose entire life seems to revolve around picking out little
> > things about people to rake them with and then developing a weird
> obsession
> > with slamming them in a public forum. Get a hobby or something. Stamp
> > collecting is fun.
> >
> > And Matt, if I wanted to, I could sue your ass for libel. I have a lawyer
> > sitting here with me, and she says I certainly could. Food for thought.
> >
> >
> > The Bunny
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > TDC BunnyBTSMG, Imperial Grand Duchess of Disneyland Vegetarian Cuisine
> and
> > High Priestess of Harmonious Craic
> >
> > Come visit!
> > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/9324
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Kevin Yee
> Once it was on that directory, then *anyone* theoretically has access.
Sure, but nobody knew where to look. There was no danger anybody would find
it: it was not linked. Until Matt posted the URL to this newsgroup, that
is.
Todd Johnson
First off, JJ, don't *ever* tell me what I can and can't do again.
My 2 cents on this: That picture was on the World Wide Web, where anyone could
find it. If it hadn't been Matt to post the link, it could have been someone
else. If the owner of the site didn't want there to be a chance of too many
people seeing it, he shouldn't have put it up on the web. If he wanted certain
people to see it, he should have e-mailed it to just those certain people or,
better yet, put it in a password-protected archive and mailed people the
password to see it.
If you put something on the Web, it's your responsibility, not the
responsibility of the person who points it out. Absolutely anyone could have
found that picture; it just happened to be Matt.
Todd
http://kworld.trev.org/todd/
Films shouldn't be banned, unless they show people being snuffed, or sex
with kids, or Jim Varney.
- Tjames Madison
Jon Nadelberg
>
> Gwendolyn Ann Smith wrote:
>
> > Once it was on that directory, then *anyone* theoretically has access.
>
> Sure, but nobody knew where to look. There was no danger anybody would find
> it: it was not linked. Until Matt posted the URL to this newsgroup, that
> is.
>
If he mentions it on IRC, that is publically stating where it is to be
found.
Jon Nadelberg
That's right. I feel sorry for him. One slip up with a person who
simply does not care about the consequences of his actions, and he's
probably out of a job.
Matt
Todd Johnson wrote:
> First off, JJ, don't *ever* tell me what I can and can't do again.
>
> My 2 cents on this: That picture was on the World Wide Web, where anyone could
> find it. If it hadn't been Matt to post the link, it could have been someone
> else. If the owner of the site didn't want there to be a chance of too many
> people seeing it, he shouldn't have put it up on the web. If he wanted certain
> people to see it, he should have e-mailed it to just those certain people or,
> better yet, put it in a password-protected archive and mailed people the
> password to see it.
Right. I have many files and "important" documents stored in password protected
directories.
> If you put something on the Web, it's your responsibility, not the
> responsibility of the person who points it out. Absolutely anyone could have
> found that picture; it just happened to be Matt.
I'm a victim of circumstance. Woo woo woo, Nyuk nyuk
Gwendolyn Ann Smith
<cafeo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Sure, but nobody knew where to look. There was no danger anybody would find
> it: it was not linked. Until Matt posted the URL to this newsgroup, that
> is.
While not trying to "brag" or anything like that, I tend to sometimes
surf sites via directories, in which case I would have noted a 114.jpg
just like any other image.
If Matt found it, then there was indded a "danger" it would be found.
I'm not defending his actions, just pointing out that this was not the
wisest thing to do.
Decco Tech
>
> I read the NG still, and I had to comment on this...please, Jen,
> Todd...don't respond, you are killfiled.
Go the hell away asswhipe! You make a dramatic exit and you can't even
keep your word! How pathetic.
KLH
big deal!!
KoolAid the Sporkmaster wrote in message
<19991025002352...@ng-da1.aol.com>...
>>The next day there was a small meet to welcome an adder who came down from
>>Fresno. I also took pictures at that meet.
>
>Who Who Who is this? I'm from the area. Finally....a 3rd person that lives
>reasonably close!!!
>
>Andrew
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>"im still learning, not to mention the fact that i am an idiot." -
Houdini316
J.J.
I read the NG still, and I had to comment on this...please, Jen,
Todd...don't respond, you are killfiled.
Anyhow, its pretty easy to find the pic. From what it appears, and this
is a complete and utter assumption, the pics are numbered...i.e. 112,
113, 114, 115...etc. When looking through the pics, some people take
note of the name. If you are looking at pic 113, and then the next pic
is 115, you are going to be curious (at least I would be...but I didn't
go to the site, so this may be completely wrong) and type in 114. If
Matt did this, then this is what he found.
Furthermore, the pic was posted on the web without a password. Thus, it
is public. It doesn't matter if there isn't a link, it's fairly easy to
get into the index of a certain directory and see what is in the
directory. What Matt did was nothing wrong.
I have a CM friend who knows the CM in question, and is going to notify
him of the situation.
Now, back to lurking!
Mike wrote:
>
> There were two ADD get togethers this week. I took pictures at both of
> them.
>
> On Thursday night, several of us went to a mix-in meet. I took quite a few
> pictures, and posted some of them on the ADDpics page.
> http://homepages.go.com/~addpics/ - Click on the October Meets link to
> see them )
>
> The next day there was a small meet to welcome an adder who came down from
> Fresno. I also took pictures at that meet.
>
> I posted all of the pictures I took both days in a temp directory on my home
> page.
>
> I gave the URL to people in the #addisneyland channel. Because these were
> personal pictures, the link was not posted on the newsgroup (until Matt took
> it upon himself to post it).
>
> Apparently someone fueled Matt's fascination with Liz and gave him the URL
> to the link where pictures that were intended for people who attend the
> meets (and not for the general public or people like Matt who have an odd
> obsession with us and delight in ripping apart everything we do) were
> located.
>
> Matt: If you don't like us, or think that we are odd, ignore us. Your
> obsession with us in general and Liz in particular is kinda scary. I've
> only met you once, and you seemed like a nice enough guy in person. What
> comes over you when you sit at your keyboard and type venom all day......
> Do you need help? Are your obsessions out of control? Is there some sort
> of medication that would help you?
>
KoolAid the Sporkmaster
>Fresno. I also took pictures at that meet.
Who Who Who is this? I'm from the area. Finally....a 3rd person that lives
Iluminaria
person!
We had a really nice weekend...all the channel grand duchesses were there, and
we had a nice dinner. Kali and I went to DL for dinner before heading to a
club on Saturday night, and today was so pleasant...mint juleps and a New
Orleans Square jazz band. It doesn't get much better than that!
:), The Bunny
L Benjamin Jones
"we're the clean-up crews for parties we were too young to attend"
sick cory
i've gotten emails accusing me of being the one that leaked the url to matt
orkin.
it wasn't me.
i don't know why anyone would think it was me. i have nothing to do with this
nonsense.
-c
==
KTREALTORS
about Al's site containing names of employees and how it could ruin their
careers.
The people who cried foul are now the ones who basically exposed (or condone
it)this guy.
You guys need to be consistant with your "ethics".
Kerry
Gazoomtight!!!! (example of phonetic translation)
Jon Nadelberg
Jon Nadelberg
>
> Does anybody else see the irony in all of this? I remember all of the talk
> about Al's site containing names of employees and how it could ruin their
> careers.
>
> The people who cried foul are now the ones who basically exposed (or condone
> it)this guy.
>
> You guys need to be consistant with your "ethics".
>
Actually, I said it was wrong of Al to post that crap on his page, and
I've also said it was wrong to put this picture on the web.
These are just people trying to do their little jobs and get through
life. They don't need people on the internet to make their lives
miserable because they have none of their own.
Nobody is perfect in life, and it's very cruel of these people to do
these sorts of things to others like this. But they're a mean group of
people.
KTREALTORS
>I've also said it was wrong to put this picture on the web.
Then why aren't you saying it was wrong for someone to post a link to the pic?
You seem to be defending the posting of the link in a public forum. You can
split hairs on this all you want, but it would not have been an issue if the
link wouldn't have been posted.
Decco Tech
KTREALTORS wrote:
>
> >Actually, I said it was wrong of Al to post that crap on his page, and
> >I've also said it was wrong to put this picture on the web.
>
> Then why aren't you saying it was wrong for someone to post a link to the pic?
> You seem to be defending the posting of the link in a public forum. You can
> split hairs on this all you want, but it would not have been an issue if the
> link wouldn't have been posted.
Personaly, the reason I feel it is incredibly right to post the link to
this pic is because this cast member needs to be terminated for
participating in that event. He is a bad representation of cast members
all over the Disney company, and would do better working in the dairy
queen. I don't think they really care if dairy queen employees give the
bird to the camera while in uniform.
Matt
KTREALTORS wrote:
> >Actually, I said it was wrong of Al to post that crap on his page, and
> >I've also said it was wrong to put this picture on the web.
>
> Then why aren't you saying it was wrong for someone to post a link to the pic?
> You seem to be defending the posting of the link in a public forum. You can
> split hairs on this all you want, but it would not have been an issue if the
> link wouldn't have been posted.
What was wrong, was putting the pic up on the page. I was simply reporting the
news. It was in public interest.
KTREALTORS
>this pic is because this cast member needs to be terminated for
>participating in that event. He is a bad representation of cast members
>all over the Disney company, and would do better working in the dairy
>queen. I don't think they really care if dairy queen employees give the
>bird to the camera while in uniform.
I understand what you are saying, but is posting your opinion about a CM that
does something wrong, any different than what Al was taken to task for?
KTREALTORS
>the
>news. It was in public interest.
>
Wasn't Al's posting of CM's names also public interest?
Matt
KTREALTORS wrote:
> >What was wrong, was putting the pic up on the page. I was simply reporting
> >the
> >news. It was in public interest.
> >
>
> Wasn't Al's posting of CM's names also public interest?
Yes. I didn't say anything about Al's page.
Decco Tech
The only person who had a problem with that was KER (because she was the
person Al was refering to). Why are you blaming me for something I
actualy condoned. I wanted Kimi Rapada gone just like the next ODV Hater
did!
Jon Nadelberg
found it.
The link would not be known about either, if it was not publicized by
the person who put the picture up.
KTREALTORS wrote:
>
> >Actually, I said it was wrong of Al to post that crap on his page, and
> >I've also said it was wrong to put this picture on the web.
>
> Then why aren't you saying it was wrong for someone to post a link to the pic?
> You seem to be defending the posting of the link in a public forum. You can
> split hairs on this all you want, but it would not have been an issue if the
> link wouldn't have been posted.
>
Davko58
> >What was wrong, was putting the pic up on the page. I was simply reporting
> >the
> >news. It was in public interest.
> Wasn't Al's posting of CM's names also public interest?
No. It was a cheap shot at some low level nerd who made a mistake. It
was also part of a pattern of persecution and rampant negativity I found
distasteful. I spoke out against it then too.
Your ire on this occasion should be directed at the person who put the
picture on the World Wide Web, thereby making it accessible to everyone
in the universe, not at the people who saw it and told others.
The other difference is that the low level nerd made a mistake while
attempting to do their job; this particular CM is obviously violating
company policy. The ODV person was doing what he/she thought his/her
bosses wanted them to do. I don't think the HM CM's boss wants their
people to do things like this.
But its all really a tempest in a teapot, isn't it?
Davko58
KTREALTORS
>picture on the World Wide Web, thereby making it accessible to everyone
>in the universe, not at the people who saw it and told others.
>
Dave, I hear what your saying, but the link was posted on the NG because of
personal crap having to do with disagreements in a NG. It has nothing to do
with this CM's performance.
M. Scott Garner
>There were two ADD get togethers this week. I took pictures at both of
>them.
>
>On Thursday night, several of us went to a mix-in meet. I took quite a few
>pictures, and posted some of them on the ADDpics page.
> http://homepages.go.com/~addpics/ - Click on the October Meets link to
>see them )
>
>The next day there was a small meet to welcome an adder who came down from
>Fresno. I also took pictures at that meet.
See, here's your big problem. You need to get out ocassionally and go
someplace other than DL
>
>I posted all of the pictures I took both days in a temp directory on my home
>page.
>
>I gave the URL to people in the #addisneyland channel. Because these were
>personal pictures, the link was not posted on the newsgroup (until Matt took
>it upon himself to post it).
But of course, you put them on a public server and announced them on a
public chat facility.
>
>Apparently someone fueled Matt's fascination with Liz and gave him the URL
>to the link where pictures that were intended for people who attend the
>meets (and not for the general public or people like Matt who have an odd
>obsession with us and delight in ripping apart everything we do) were
>located.
Matt's not the only one who's tired of your antics.
>
>Matt: If you don't like us, or think that we are odd, ignore us. Your
>obsession with us in general and Liz in particular is kinda scary. I've
>only met you once, and you seemed like a nice enough guy in person. What
>comes over you when you sit at your keyboard and type venom all day......
>Do you need help? Are your obsessions out of control? Is there some sort
>of medication that would help you?
You guys *are* odd and you give DL fans everywhere a bad reputation.
Any adult who goes around acting like a pirate is odd.
>
>You had to dig pretty deep to find the picture you mentioned, Matt. All of
>the pictures I took were thumbnailed except that one. How long did you
>spend digging through my directory? Hours? It must be nice to have all
>of that time on your hands - time you spend to take jabs at a group you say
>you have no use for........
So, let's see. You publish the photos with numbers in consecutive
order and you leave one out. Gee, that was difficult to figure out.
Maybe it would take *you* hours to find it, but for anybody with more
than half a brain, it would take about 5 seconds.
>
>You are one very odd guy.
And you aren't very smart.
scott
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The Fabulous Disney Babe
rocks. Rob was outside of his maze, thanking people for coming.
Steve, I'm coming up.
Fab
Dante's Fabulous Disney Babe (officially so as of July 9, 2000)
http://members.aol.com/alweho
<<<<<It's " 'Ohana ", dammit!>>>>>
Posted from my free PC: www.free-pc.com, www.freemac.com
Decco Tech
The Fabulous Disney Babe wrote:
>
> Universal has Rob Zombie, who rocks. Magic Mountain has Alice Cooper, who also
> rocks. Rob was outside of his maze, thanking people for coming.
When I came out of the Rob Zombie maze, I said "Wow! That was the best
maze I've ever been in!" Then I went over to the Mummy maze. When I came
out of the Mummy maze, I said "Wow! That was the best maze I've ever
been in!" They are both really that good. Eat your heart out, Knott's.
Universal is the new king of Halloween!
JENinSoCA
<< I read the NG still, and I had to comment on this...please, Jen,
Todd...don't respond, you are killfiled. >>
I'm killfiled yet the stupid punk continues to try to IM me. How funny.
Jen
Todd Johnson
Jen wrote:
He's so starved for attention it's downright laughable. Remember how he'd post
monthly "Am I getting better?" posts? I wish he'd just leave for good.
Todd
http://kworld.trev.org/todd/
Films shouldn't be banned, unless they show people being snuffed, or sex
with kids, or Jim Varney.
- Tjames Madison
The Fabulous Disney Babe
><< I read the NG still, and I had to comment on this...please, Jen,
>Todd...don't respond, you are killfiled. >>
>
> I'm killfiled yet the stupid punk continues to try to IM me. How
funny.
>
>
Same here.
Todd Johnson
Fab wrote:
>>Animal Boy wrote:
>><< I read the NG still, and I had to comment on this...please, Jen,
>>Todd...don't respond, you are killfiled. >>
>>
>> I'm killfiled yet the stupid punk continues to try to IM me. How
>funny.
>>
>>Jen
>>
>Same here.
Gee, now I feel left out. Hey Animal Boy, don't you have a crush on me too?
T.
Josh Scott
Todd Johnson <todds...@aol.com.monkeys> wrote:
> Fab wrote:
>
> >>Animal Boy wrote:
> >><< I read the NG still, and I had to comment on this...please, Jen,
> >>Todd...don't respond, you are killfiled. >>
> >>
> >> I'm killfiled yet the stupid punk continues to try to IM me. How
> >funny.
> >>
> >>Jen
> >>
> >Same here.
>
> Gee, now I feel left out. Hey Animal Boy, don't you have a crush on me
too?
Hey, could you just leave him alone?
--
Josh Scott
They say my ghetto instrumental, is detrimental to kids,
as if they can't see the misery, in which they live...
-Tupac Shakur, "Krazy"
Todd Johnson
>> Gee, now I feel left out. Hey Animal Boy, don't you have a crush on me
>>too?
>
>Hey, could you just leave him alone?
Nope. He adds nothing to the group, and he said he would leave and he didn't.
Todd
Mr. Liver
Todd Johnson wrote:
>>Hey, could you just leave him alone?
>Nope. He adds nothing to the group,
>and he said he would leave and he
>didn't.
I remember you telling us to simply ignore Cander while he was
trolling Todd. It's no different here. Just killfile him and stop
the poking.
-Mr. Liver
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http://www.cybertime.net/~cprophet/
"Vive la révolution d'Imagineering!"
Lynn Gustafson
privateers, and they get paid for it. Of course, I wouldn't argue that most of us
who work the Renaissance Faire are odd, but I don't think what we do reflects on
Disneyland.
Oh, nevermind.
I hope to see you and your family soon.
Lynn Gustafson
Vulcaniya
>Hey wait a minute Scott, some of my best friends are pirates, or at least
>privateers, and they get paid for it. Of course, I wouldn't argue that most
>of us
>who work the Renaissance Faire are odd, but I don't think what we do reflects
>on
>Disneyland.
God's Teeth, Man, Yea! Be they Sea Dogs or mayhaps Vrijbut? 'Tis not often
enough I hear of these most noble things. 'Til the meadow is again merry met -
Anon!
TDC Lady Vulcaniya, Ambassadress Of Discovery Bay and Keeper Of The Temporal
Lighthouse
"Spanning the eras of time and the wonders of the imagination; the Lighthouse
guides the way to Discovery Bay."
(VullyVaudyKieryFloKymMdeHrmn)
Lynn Gustafson
Francis Drake and or his lovely wife Alnessa.
Lynn Gustafson
M. Scott Garner
<lgus...@library.ucla.edu> wrote:
>Hey wait a minute Scott, some of my best friends are pirates, or at least
>privateers, and they get paid for it. Of course, I wouldn't argue that most of us
>who work the Renaissance Faire are odd, but I don't think what we do reflects on
>Disneyland.
Ok, let me rephrase slightly.
In the context of visiting a theme park, any adult who goes around
acting like a pirate is odd.
As soon as I saw the header to your post, I knew that I had mistakenly
tarred the image of RF'ers. Wasn't my intent.
>I hope to see you and your family soon.
Ditto!
Muckscrapper
Damn... was I singing the Mermaid in my sleep again?
M
Cyrus Muckscrapper,
Bilge Cleaner on board the Black Dawn, flagship of St. Dymphna since 1592
LaBretBear
park? Suspended or reprimanded in any way? Does anyone know if there had been
anything done at the park involving this situation?
TheGangsta
>irrelevant. Mike would
>have such a photo at all if the CM chose to behave correctly.
This is true,however posting it on a website is the way that it is seen all
over the itnernet,if it wasnt posted nobody would see it....therefore I think
Mike is at least SLIGHTLY resposnable (not completley) but at least
slightly,,,,afterall he did provide you with the means to view this photo that
would not have exsisted if he didnt post it on his site.
Its true that if the CM didnt act in this manner the pic wouldnt exsist and
mike wouldnt have been able to post it,HOWEVER if mike didnt post it on his
site nobody would have seen it either....
Bhrigga
"Baby I got cha money"--Old Dirty Bastard