CHEMTRAILS Stolen Skies
Phil Miller
Copied to a.d.a for it's comic value.
Guys, prepare to be amazed! :-)
On Fri, 31 May 2002 15:42:31 GMT, "-Rick-" <washin...@shaw.ca>
wrote:
>Stolen Skies: The Chemtrail Mystery
>Jet Trails in the Sky Used to Disappear. Now they Linger.
>by William Thomas
>
>
> It was around noon on March 12, 2000 when S.T. Brendt, the late night
>reporter for WMWV Radio, entered the kitchen of her country home in
>Parsonsfield, Maine. Her partner, Lou Aubuchont, was puzzling over what he
>had seen in the sky a half-hour before. The fat puffy plumes arching up over
>the horizon were unlike any aircraft condensation trails ("contrails") he
>had ever seen.
>
> Instead of dissipating like normal contrails, these intersecting sky
>trails grew wider and began to merge. Looking towards the sun, Aubuchont saw
>what appeared like "an oil and water mixture" reflecting a prismatic band of
>colors.
>
> Ordinarily, contrails flare briefly in the stratosphere as hot moist
>engine exhaust flash-freezes into a stream of ice-crystals. These
>pencil-thin condensation trails are short-lived, evaporating into
>invisibility as exhaust gases cool quickly to the surrounding air
>temperature.
>
> As National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) meteorologist
>Thomas Schlatter explains, the formation of condensation trails requires
>temperatures lower than about minus 76 F and humidity of 70 percent or more.
>Because the Federal Aviation Authority requires military tankers and
>transporters to cross continental airspace at altitudes below 30,000 feet,
>ensuring safe separation from airliners flying between 35,000 and 39,000
>feet, these military flights should leave no contrails at all.
>
> But in late 1997, Aubuchont began to notice thicker trails extending
>from horizon to horizon. Hanging in the sky, these expanding white ribbons
>would invariably be interwoven by more thick lines left by unmarked Air
>Force jets, white or silver in color.
>
> As Brendt glanced out the window, it looked like another gorgeous,
>cloudless day. But not quite. She spotted two jets laying billowing white
>banners to the north. Turning her gaze due west, Brendt saw two more lines
>extending over the horizon. She called Lou. Within 45 minutes, the couple
>counted 30 jets. "This isn't right," Brendt thought. "We just don't have
>that kind of air traffic here." While Aubuchont kept counting, Brendt
>started calling airports.
>
> Alerted by a call from Brendt, Richard Dean, WMWV's assistant news
>director and the WMWV news staff filed outside and counted 370 lines of
>persistent contrails in skies usually devoid of aerial activity.
>
> Brendt phoned a number of Air Traffic Controllers. They all stated that
>nothing unusual was going on. After several calls, Brendt reached one ATC
>manager who offered a different story. He told Brendt that his radars showed
>nine commercial jets during the same 45-minute span. From her location, he
>said, she should have been able to see only one plane.
>
> "What about the other 29?" Brendt inquired. The ATC official confided
>off-the-record that he had been ordered "by higher civil authority" to
>re-route inbound European airliners away from an airborne "military
>exercise" in the area. "They wouldn't give me any of the particulars and I
>don't ask," he explained. The controller (who insisted on being identified
>only as "Deep Sky,") subsequently repeated his statements on tape before
>witnesses at the WMWV studio.
>
>'It's a Military Exercise'
>On December 8, 2000, Terry Stewart, the Manager for Planning and Environment
>at the Victoria International Airport, responded to a caller's complaint
>about the strange patterns of circles and grids being woven over the British
>Columbia capitol. Stewart left a message on an answering machine tape - a
>message that later was heard by more than 15 million radio listeners.
>Stewart explained: "It's a military exercise, [a] US and Canadian Air Force
>exercise that's going on. They wouldn't give me any specifics on it."
>
> Canadian Forces Base (CFB) Comox on Vancouver Island is Canada's
>biggest radar installation. CFB Comox is easily capable of tracking the US
>formations coming up from the south. When asked for a response to Stewart's
>statement, the base information officer at CFB Comox replied tersely that:
>"No military operation is taking place." Stewart later told the Vancouver
>Courier that his information had come directly from Comox.
>
> By the summer of 2001, pictures of contrails were being circulated by
>the Associated Press and the word "chemtrails" could be overheard in coffee
>shop conversations across the continent
>
>'It's a Hoax'
>In an April 20, 2001, letter to a US senator, Col. Walter Washbaugh, chief
>of the Congressional Inquiry Division for the Secretary of the Air Force in
>Washington, DC, called chemtrails "a hoax." Washbaugh blamed the increased
>number of contrails on "significant civil aviation growth in the past
>decade."
>
> He is right on that score. A National Science Foundation study has
>found that in certain heavily trafficked corridors, artificial cloud cover
>has increased by as much as 20 percent.
>
> Colonel Washbaugh ascribed widely reported grid patterns to overlapping
>aircraft flying north-south, east-west airways. The only thing wrong with
>this explanation, a Texas air traffic controller told me, is that US airways
>do not run north-south.
>
> The colonel told the senator: "The Air Force is not conducting any
>weather modification and has no plans to do so in the future." In fact, the
>Pentagon has long been interested in using weather as a weapon of war.
>Attempts to steer hurricanes by spraying heat-robbing chemicals in their
>paths date from the 1950s. The recipe for creating "cirrus shields" was
>outlined in a 1996 US Air Force study subtitled "Owning the Weather by
>2025." The report explained how "weather force specialists" were dispersing
>chemicals behind high-flying tanker aircraft in a process called "aerial
>obscuration."
>
> Official denials reached new altitudes of absurdity when another
>colonel claimed: "The US Air Force (USAF) does not conduct spraying
>operations over populated areas." Apparently the colonel had forgotten how
>USAF air tankers dispensed thousands of tons of "Agent Orange" defoliants
>over the land and people of Vietnam.
>
> Meanwhile, the Internet was abuzz with chemtrail conspiracy theories
>ranging from aliens leaving messages in the sky to government agencies
>dumping mind-control chemicals on an unsuspecting populace. The only problem
>was none of the theories were plausible.
>
>The Welsbach Patent
>In 1994, the Hughes aerospace company was issued a remarkable patent. The
>Welsbach patent "for Reduction of Global Warming" proposed countering global
>warming by dispensing microscopic particles of aluminum oxide and other
>reflective materials into the upper atmosphere. This "sky shield" would
>reflect one or two percent of incoming sunlight. The patent suggested that
>tiny metal flakes could be "added to the fuel of jet airliners, so that the
>particles would be emitted from the jet engine exhaust while the airliner
>was at its cruising altitude."
>
> Computer simulations by Ken Caldeira at California's Lawrence Livermore
>National Laboratory (LLNL) calculated that employing Welsbach's
>chemical-sunscreen technology could stop warming over 85 percent of the
>planet, despite an anticipated doubling of atmospheric carbon within the
>next 50 years. LLNL estimated the cost of creating thisso-called Sky Shield
>at $1 billion dollars a year - a cheap fix to avoid threatening the massive
>profits of the oil industry.
>
> At the 1998 International Seminar on Planetary Emergencies, Edward
>Teller, the "Father of the H-bomb," presented his Next Big Idea. Teller
>called for spreading reflective chemicals over the Earth to act like a
>mirror-shade. If it was impossible to protect the entire planet, these
>chemical sky shields could, at least, be extended to cover allies who
>secretly agreed to allow this unprecedented geo-engineering experiment to be
>carried out over their territory.
>
> In the July-August 1998 Science and Technology Review, Teller argued
>that the Sky Shield offered a more "realistic" option for addressing global
>warming than drastic cutbacks in CO2 emissions.
>
> When asked if the technology was being pursued, Teller replied: "To my
>knowledge the answer is negative.... My recommendation was a tentative one
>depending on further evidence whether expecting global warming is
>realistic."
>
> In fact, the technology already exists. In 1975, the US Navy patented a
>device for producing "a powder contrail having maximum radiation-scattering
>ability." The powder contained a mixture of 0.3 micron-sized titanium
>dioxide pigment particles coated with 0.007 micron hydrophobic colloidal
>silica and 4.5 micron particles of silica gel. The purpose of the apparatus
>was "to generate contrails or reflective screens for any desired purpose."
>
> The Welsbach Patent proposed using "very fine, talcum-like" powder of
>10 to 100 micron-sized aluminum oxide to produce a "pure white plume" in the
>sky.
>
> In a May 2000 draft report submitted to the International Panel on
>Climate Change (IPCC), an expert panel chosen from among 3,000 atmospheric
>scientists, concluded that Teller's scheme might work. But the IPCC warned
>against unpredictable upsets of the atmosphere. The panel also warned
>against angry populaces reacting to "the associated whitening of the visual
>appearance of the sky."
>
> Caldeira was so concerned that he went public. Deflecting sunlight
>would further cool the stratosphere, he warned, and this could intensify icy
>clouds of ozone-gobbling CFCs that could destroy the ozone layer - the
>Earth's already damaged solar radiation shield.
>
> Was Teller's Sky Shield experiment already underway? During his
>interview with WMWV reporters, Deep Sky hinted that it was. Were the tankers
>observed on ATC radars involved in climate modification? Our FAA source
>hesitated before responding: "That approximates what I was told." Similar
>military activities were ongoing in other regions, he stated.
>
>Chemtrails and Health Problems
>The Internet buzzes with conspiracy theories about chemtrails being used as
>part of a secret government biological experiment. But after more than three
>years of intense investigation, I have found no proof that chemtrails
>constitute a deliberate biological attack. (To be effective, bio-attacks
>must conducted close to the ground and never in daylight, in order to avoid
>ultraviolet sterilization of toxins.)
>
> In the spring of 1998, rain falling through heavy chemtrails over
>Espanola, Ontario was found to contain concentrations of aluminum particles
>seven times higher than permitted by Canadian health safety laws. Provincial
>health officials ordered tests after residents began complaining about
>severe headaches, chronic joint pain, dizziness, sudden extreme fatigue,
>acute asthma attacks and feverless "flu-like" symptoms. The results of the
>test were not released.
>
> The reports of illness all came from residents inside a 50-square-mile
>area who complained that they had been subjected to "months of spraying" by
>photo-identified US Air Force tanker planes. The USAF denied the intrusions.
>
> On November 18, 1998, Canadian Opposition Party Defense Critic Gordon
>Earle petitioned Parliament on behalf of the people of Espanola. Speaking on
>behalf of Canada's New Democratic Party, Earle stated:
>
> "Over 500 residents of the Espanola area have signed a petition
>raising concern over possible government involvement in what appears to be
>aircraft emitting visible aerosols. They have found high traces of aluminum
>and quartz in particulate and rainwater samples. These concerns combined
>with associated respiratory ailments have led these Canadians to take action
>and seek clear answers from this government. The petitioners call upon
>Parliament to repeal any law that would permit the dispersal of military
>chaff or of any cloud-seeding substance whatsoever by domestic or foreign
>military aircraft without the informed consent of the citizens of Canada
>thus affected."
>
> A Harvard School of Public Health team determined that particulates
>with a diameter less than 10 microns (one-tenth the thickness of a human
>hair) pose a serious threat to public health. On April 21, 2001, the New
>York Times warned: "These microscopic motes are able to infiltrate the
>tiniest compartments in the lungs and pass readily into the bloodstream, and
>have been most strongly tied to illness and early death, particularly in
>people who are already susceptible to respiratory problems."
>
> On December 14, 2000, the New England Journal of Medicine reported that
>inhaling particulate matter of a size 10 microns or smaller leads to "a 5
>percent increased death rate within 24 hours." Teller's sunscreen calls for
>spraying 10 million tons of talcum-fine reflective particulates of 10 to 100
>micron sizes.
>
>Congress Addresses Chemtrails
>On October 2, 2001, Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) introduced the "Space
>Preservation Act of 2001" (HR 2977), which called for the elimination of
>"exotic weaponry" from space. Among the weapons to be banned were
>weather-modifying weapons such as HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral
>Research Program) and chemtrails. Though HR 3616 was later amended to remove
>the section that would have banned chemtrails, the original bill
>acknowledging the existence of chemtrail technology remains on the pages of
>the Congressional Record.
>
> With "chemtrails" now officially admitted by the US government, an even
>bigger trial is set to begin in the court of public opinion.
>
>An earlier version of this report appeared in the October-November 2001
>issue of Nexus Magazine [PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia.
>www.nexusmagazine.com].
>
>Edited reprint. Not available for distribution.
>
>
>Chemtrails Go Global
>Sightings of oddly lingering plumes sometimes resembling rocket trails are
>not confined to North American skies.
>
> While on leave in Italy in the summer of 1999, the US Navy's Kitty
>Chastain sat on her hotel balcony and watched aerial grids being laid all
>day just offshore over the Bay of Naples.
>
> In Spain, on April 27, 2000, American tourist John Hendricks dashed off
>a quick email from El Café de Internet: "Were we surprised to see that the
>chemtrails are as bad here as they are anywhere, both in Mallorca and in
>Barcelona."
>
> "Add Sweden to the list," a Swedish resident wrote after spotting eight
>to 10 parallel contrails. "I know the commercial routes, and we have a bunch
>of them, but not where these trails were."
>
> Chemtrail activity has been reported in at least 14 allied nations
>including Australia, Belgium, Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Holland,
>Ireland, Italy, New Zealand, Scotland, Sweden and the United States.
>
> Chemtrail photos from France, Australia, Scotland and Germany may be
>viewed on the author's website [www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Willthomas].
>
>
>Another Scary Scenario
>According to the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Co.,
>the only way to form artificial clouds in warm dry air is to introduce
>enough particulates into the atmosphere to attract and accrete all available
>moisture into visible vapor. If repeated often enough, the resulting
>rainless haze can lead to drought.
>
> Patrick Minnis, an atmospheric researcher with California Environmental
>Resources Evaluation System (CERES) and ardent chemtrails critic at NASA's
>Langley Research Center, reports that cirrus cloud cover over the US is up 5
>percent overall because particulates in engine exhaust are acting as
>cloud-forming nuclei. As the number of flights currently exceeds 15 million
>annually worldwide, artificial clouds will intensify as air travel continues
>to climb.
>
> Perhaps the appearance of chemtrails is a "sign from on high" that our
>atmosphere has become dangerously burdened with pollutants.
>
>Copyright Earth Island Journal
>
Phil
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"chemtrail" dimensions supplied by Richard Vizzutti
>Width average half a mile to two miles.
>Documented to be a min. of 100 miles long.
Using the *smallest* values
"chemtrail" volume = height x width x length
= 1/2 mile x 1/2 mile x 100 mile
= 805 metre x 805 metre x 160,934 metre (rounded)
= 104,289,255,350 cubic metres
If the mystery substance in "chemtrails" is present in only a tiny amount,
say 1 gram/cubic metre (1 gram = 0.035oz = 1/28oz)
Evil Guv'mint Poison = 1 gram/cubic metre x 104,289,255,350 cubic metres
= 104,289,255,350 grams
= 104,289,255 Kilograms (rounded down)
= 229,916,100 pounds (approximately)
= 114,959 US tons (rounded down)
-Rick-
-Rick-
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> So why can't the tanks be half full to compensate for the extra weight?
If you are talking about commercial airliners, the answer is simple:
Payload. These machines operate in
a thin margin of potential profitability. Unless somebody is paying the
airlines what amounts to air freight
rates to carry chemicals (and the carry the equipment to load, monitor, pump
and disperse them), and
compensating them for the reductions in range caused by the tradeoff against
space and weight for fuel ....
the airlines are out of business in short order. So you are talking about
literally billions of dollars here,
to say nothing of the cost of the chemicals themselves, the equipment and
facilities to store and load
them, the transport of them to airports from storage and manufacturing
facilities ..... and all of this
cost and infrastructure must be hidden completely from public scrutiny,
including the loading of the
materials during rapid turnarounds of these airliners during everyday
airline operations.
You are talking about an entire industry, supported entirey by public
funding, complete with massive
and widespread infrastructure, staffing, scheduling .... all secret. Not
just secret, but *completely*
secret .... where the only visible evidence of the activity is the
chemtrails themselves.
That's what you have to believe in order to believe than contrails are
chemtrails.
Of course, for the idiot shit for brains dumbass dumbfuck lunatic fringe,
swallowing all of this is
just routine. These people quite literally will believe anything.
agent86x
wrote:
>So why can't the tanks be half full to compensate for the extra weight?
ROTFLMAO...
What plane is capable of lifting 115 THOUSAND TONS? The largest
heavylift aircraft in the world (AN-124) can only carry 150 tons.
You're only off by a factor of a thousand.
Hit1Hard
What if your "tiny" substance (Atoms/Molecules) needed to for H2O to condens onto is
"only" 0,001 gram/M^3 ?
I would say, there is your factor 1000. Einstein.
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swallowing all of this is
just routine. These people quite literally will believe anything.
Wow! such wisdom and such command of the English language! But should people
listen to a foul mouth bardog? Have another drink and go to bed.
BTW. It is well documented that government has been spraying bacteria and
micoplasams from jets.
-Rick-
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H Pylori
> Of course, for the idiot shit for brains dumbass dumbfuck lunatic fringe,
> swallowing all of this is
> just routine. These people quite literally will believe anything.
>
> Wow! such wisdom and such command of the English language! But should
people
> listen to a foul mouth bardog? Have another drink and go to bed.
>
> BTW. It is well documented that government has been spraying bacteria and
> micoplasams from jets.
You can supply the documentation, of course?
-Rick-
Why would I bother? In this place EVERYTHING in the universe can be
explained away. Barking bardogs demand proof so that they get you to use up
all your research time just arguing.
-Rick-
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H Pylori
> > You can supply the documentation, of course?
>
> Why would I bother? In this place EVERYTHING in the universe can be
> explained away. Barking bardogs demand proof so that they get you to use
up
> all your research time just arguing.
Interesting, but dysfunctional, view. If you claim something that is not
generally known, you either have to provide some sort of reference or
citation, or else be considered a crackpot or troll. That's just the way it
is, whether you like it or not.
So unless you can point to your source for the assertion that chemical
spraying is "well documented", you'll be taken as a crackpot or troll.
Take your time, we're open 24 hours a day.
agent86x
wrote:
OK, then you still can only distribute it from an AN-124.
Here's an example. The all-up max takeoff weight of a 757-200 is
115,680 kilograms. Let's assume one could devote 5% to the "Evil
Guv'mint Poison", which would be 5,784 kilograms. Using the above
estimate would make the density of the material:
5,784 kilograms/104,289,255,350 cubic meters or
.000055 g/m^3
which is an EXCEEDINGLY tiny amount.
Then assume that this amount is released at 30,000 feet. Go figure
the atmospheric dilution by the time it gets to the surface.
It's a farce.
Scrivair
Scriv's.
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Arthur Dent
> Of course, for the idiot shit for brains dumbass dumbfuck lunatic fringe,
> swallowing all of this is
> just routine. These people quite literally will believe anything.
>
> Wow! such wisdom and such command of the English language! But should people
> listen to a foul mouth bardog? Have another drink and go to bed.
>
> BTW. It is well documented that government has been spraying bacteria and
> micoplasams from jets.
Well documented ? Pls do give us a credible source other than your loony fringe
sites that include alien abductions and all sorts.
If the 'gubmint' wanted to poison its citizens why bother flying jets overhead
when it would be possible to put the stuff in the water supply ? Duh !
BTW - you seem tto have missed the *really* obvious point. If the 'trails' stay
aloft for so long as you ( chemtrail clowns ) often say they do, then there is
no possibility that the any 'active constituent' would ever make it down to
ground level.
What a bunch of shit-for-brains you are.
Arthur.
Phil Miller
wrote:
>We are talking about .25 microns?????
>
>-Rick-
.25 microns is a measure of the particle size. By itself it has nothing
to do with weight or density (gram/cubic meter).
http://www.convertit.com/Go/ConvertIt/Measurement/Converter.ASP?From=micron
micron = 0.000001 meter
Phil
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who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect
has intended us to forgo their use.
Galileo Galilei
Hit1Hard
We're not ready yet.. This was only starters bait... Continue downward...
> Here's an example. The all-up max takeoff weight of a 757-200 is
> 115,680 kilograms. Let's assume one could devote 5% to the "Evil
> Guv'mint Poison", which would be 5,784 kilograms. Using the above
> estimate would make the density of the material:
>
> 5,784 kilograms/104,289,255,350 cubic meters or
>
> .000055 g/m^3
I don't see the thickness of a chemtrail but ok... Granted.
> which is an EXCEEDINGLY tiny amount.
Ok.. For comparison first : Since Anthrax is still on everyone's mind What
does one (1) Anthrax spore weight? (Since it is basically nothing more
then an organised heep of molecules..)
How many Antrax spores went into 1 Gram? A couple of million? A couple of
billion?
(Lets agree on defining anything small on which water molecules can
condensate and grow in the form of ice crystals in the sky a seed..) How
many seeds a Cubicle Meter do you need to see ice crystals in the form of
the contrails? 5,000? 100,000? Since the watermolecules condensate out of
the air around little seeds.. The only thing needed are the seeds.. Make
your estimation. and do imagine that a 1,000,000 snowflakes a Cubicle Yard
would give a hell of a snowstorm or show to see come down....
> Then assume that this amount is released at 30,000 feet. Go figure the
> atmospheric dilution by the time it gets to the surface.
>
> It's a farce.
Ok.. Lets keep the audience laughing then.. People who laugh don't think.
I do assume and I know that that is risky that we don't have to discuss
that the breaking index of <sun> light in normal water vapour and the
breaking index of the chemically doped water vapour are different , nor
the absorbtion of certain wavelengths of light by the doped materials
mentioned above,
this to explain the chemical coloring (look) of before mentioned clouds. I
think the scientific name for this is Mass spectography...
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Arthur Dent
Mass spectography is a highly refined way of isolating the atoms/molecules of
given elements in a sample by examing the absorbtion lines in a spectrum.
It *IS NOT* - 'the colour' - lmao.
BTW - something all the chemtrail fools seem to have forgotten is that any
substance added to the fuel would end up being burnt in the jet engine !
Biological compounds would most certainly never survive that ! Some chemicals
might but wouldn't bet on it.
A.D.
Hit1Hard
And I am still waiting for your reply A86.... ;-)
Hmmm, you better look up somewhere what a color is then.... As I stated
above.. People who laugh, don't think.. Thanks for making the effort to
prove my point.
> BTW - something all the chemtrail fools seem to have forgotten is that
> any substance added to the fuel would end up being burnt in the jet
> engine !
Find me a post where >> I << ever stated that "it" is spread by adding it
to the fuel.... I personally would wonder what biological compounds would
survive the long stay IN the fuel before they were oxidised in the
engine....
>Biological compounds would most certainly never survive that !
> Some chemicals might but wouldn't bet on it.
>
> A.D.
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> On Mon, 03 Jun 2002 08:16:50 -0400, Arthur Dent wrote:
> Find me a post where >> I << ever stated that "it" is spread by adding it
> to the fuel.... I personally would wonder what biological compounds would
> survive the long stay IN the fuel before they were oxidised in the
> engine....
Interesting. Describe, then, the storage and dispersal mechanism on the
airplanes. Also describe the
mechanisms of infrastructure ..... from manufacture, to storage, transport,
storage again, loading onto
aircraft .... where is this infrastructure? Who operates it? How is it
funded? What airplanes are used
for this activity? If commercial, how is the acticity and infrastructure at
airports concealed? Where,
when, and by whom are the necessary personnel trained? For how long has this
been going on?
As people leave this "system", where do they go? How are they kept silent
about these activities?
If commercial aircraft are used, how are the airlines compensated for the
profound losses of payload and
range incurred by this activity? Which personnel within the airlines do the
scheduling and dispersal planning
necessary to insure proper operation and fulfillment of the putative
contracts?
If the materials are hazardous or toxic, as I assume they must be, how is
the safety of flight and ground personnel
managed as the aircraft are operated, turned around on the ground, and
maintained? (We are talking about a
huge permutation of ag aviation here, so I assume that the chem sprayers
have all of the problems of ag aviation,on
a much larger and more complex scale).
Who builds the equipment? Installs it? Maintains it? Who schedules the
dispersals, verifies that
they were made? How, when and where does a high-altitude dispersal reach
the ground? For example,
if a dispersal were made over Albuquerque at 30,000 feet, where, and when,
would the material
reach the surface?
How often is the spraying done? What are the loads, and over what distances
are the loads released?
Obviously you know a lot about this subject. Please share the knowledge.
Hit1Hard
> Obviously you know a lot about this subject. Please share the
> knowledge.
Ah.. Silly me, now I recognise your nick.. Paul Gooding eh? You morphed...
I wonder why? Did noone reply to you anymore, so you concluded that to
many killfiles rules contained your old nick, for you to be able to spread the
word? Anyway:
I guess. you will have to do some good old googling to find the exchange I
had with Andy Carol, where I described how (imo) it could be done and where I
got my information.. I surely am not going to do the homework for the
local troll, even when he wears a new name or goes out of his way to talk
about a new subject instead of the points I raised 2 posts ago.. (Talking
about those posts: I am still waiting for your reply Agent86.. Whats the
matter? You most times reply so very quickly. The cat got your tongue?)
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> On Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:53:47 -0400, H Pylori wrote:
>
> > Obviously you know a lot about this subject. Please share the
> > knowledge.
>
> Ah.. Silly me, now I recognise your nick.. Paul Gooding eh? You morphed...
> I wonder why?
I was bored. And, none of your fucking business, you anonymous cowardly
piece of shit. The ppgooding
email address, which contains my actual name, has been on every article I've
posted for six years. I don't
have to hide behind a reply-to like yours.
Did noone reply to you anymore, so you concluded that to
> many killfiles rules contained your old nick, for you to be able to spread
the
> word? Anyway:
Anyway, you have not answered any of my questions, probably because you
can't.
It would take you five minutes and very few words to address them. The fact
is, you haven't
really thought this through at all, have you?
Hit1Hard
> "Hit1Hard" <Hit.On...@iaehv.nl> wrote in message
> news:pan.2002.06.03.20....@iaehv.nl...
>> On Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:53:47 -0400, H Pylori wrote:
>>
>> > Obviously you know a lot about this subject. Please share the
>> > knowledge.
>>
>> Ah.. Silly me, now I recognise your nick.. Paul Gooding eh? You
>> morphed... I wonder why?
>
> I was bored. And, none of your fucking business, you anonymous cowardly
> piece of shit.
Namecalling now eh? You are really following protocol and scoring bonus
points here.. btw.. The email address is real... A never ending stream of
Spam as a result comes my way.. But we allready know what happens with
Spam that is send (In 10 or more languages!) to me eh?
>The ppgooding
> email address, which contains my actual name, has been on every article
> I've posted for six years. I don't
> have to hide behind a reply-to like yours.
I don't hide... Its just my <self created and choosen> name... Attached to
a valid Email adress on a valid domain, so what is your beef? That my name
doesn't appear in governement database that is in the public domain? No
second of lost sleep to me.
> Did noone reply to you anymore, so you concluded that to
>> many killfiles rules contained your old nick, for you to be able to
>> spread
> the
>> word? Anyway:
>
> Anyway, you have not answered any of my questions, probably because you
> can't.
I have allready done so, long ago.. Unlike you , I am bored having to put
forward the same over and over discussions since I am not the copy and
paste job kinda man......
Beside the fact that you haven't even addressed the points I made 3 posts
ago in this thread (Again I have to think about Agent86.. This time
connected with the thought of a checkmate....) I think I can say : You
first.
> It would take you five minutes and very few words to address them.
Correct. In timespan and words. However, I refuse to do your homework in
fear that you would not "believe" me, or you would speak bad of me...
> The
> fact is, you haven't
> really thought this through at all, have you?
The fact is that I have... and I do.
And the only things left in the protocol of damage control to neutralise
the before mentioned points are namecalling or changing subject... You
failed miserably in both.
This part of the divertion of the discussion by you ended here. I will
grant you the last word. I would say Enjoy.. Entertain everyone.
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> On Mon, 03 Jun 2002 17:42:11 -0400, H Pylori wrote:
>
> I don't hide... Its just my <self created and choosen> name...
In other words, a dodge. Not your real name. Which was my point.
Attached to
> a valid Email adress on a valid domain, so what is your beef? That my name
> doesn't appear in governement database that is in the public domain? No
> second of lost sleep to me.
"Valid email address" is about as illuminating as "I breathe actual air".
You are deliberately
anonymous, but want to hassle me about a nickname that disguises nothing.
> I have allready done so, long ago..
No you didn't. You fictionalized a scenario of your own making. You cannot
provide any information or
evidence that anyone anywhere is actually doing the described thing, or has
dealt with any of the issues
I listed. All you have is the product of your lively imagination.
> Beside the fact that you haven't even addressed the points I made 3 posts
> ago in this thread (Again I have to think about Agent86.. This time
> connected with the thought of a checkmate....) I think I can say : You
> first.
I win. I've given you a mile-long list of things that would have to be
dealt with daily on a huge scale
in order to carry out anything like the widely-distributed "chemtrail"
scenario. You can't show that any of
this is actually being done, or has ever been done, or is being planned, by
anyone, anywhere.
Game over.
> Correct. In timespan and words. However, I refuse to do your homework in
> fear that you would not "believe" me, or you would speak bad of me...
I am not under any obligation to do any homework. I am not the one
proposing a grotesque and labyrinthine
conspiracy involving large amounts of resources, people, equipment, and
other infrastructure. You are. The burden
of proof is entirely on you.
If your position is "it could be happening", then you are toast. My
response would be "You could be a child
molestor. Given that, why should anyone listen to you?"
agent86x
wrote:
<snip>
How do you think you get "cubic meters" without a thickness?
Width average half a mile to two miles. Documented to be a min. of
100 miles long.
Using the *smallest* values
"chemtrail" volume = height x width x length
= 1/2 mile x 1/2 mile x 100 mile
>> which is an EXCEEDINGLY tiny amount.
>
>Ok.. For comparison first : Since Anthrax is still on everyone's mind What
>does one (1) Anthrax spore weight? (Since it is basically nothing more
>then an organised heep of molecules..)
>
>How many Antrax spores went into 1 Gram? A couple of million? A couple of
>billion?
Not paticularly relevent. If you spread 1 gram of anthrax spores
acoss 100 miles, you wouldn't infect anyone. That's one of the
problems with using it as a weapon.
>(Lets agree on defining anything small on which water molecules can
>condensate and grow in the form of ice crystals in the sky a seed..) How
>many seeds a Cubicle Meter do you need to see ice crystals in the form of
Cubicle Meter?
>the contrails? 5,000? 100,000? Since the watermolecules condensate out of
>the air around little seeds.. The only thing needed are the seeds.. Make
>your estimation. and do imagine that a 1,000,000 snowflakes a Cubicle Yard
>would give a hell of a snowstorm or show to see come down....
>
>> Then assume that this amount is released at 30,000 feet. Go figure the
>> atmospheric dilution by the time it gets to the surface.
>>
>> It's a farce.
>
>Ok.. Lets keep the audience laughing then.. People who laugh don't think.
>
>I do assume and I know that that is risky that we don't have to discuss
>that the breaking index of <sun> light in normal water vapour and the
>breaking index of the chemically doped water vapour are different , nor
>the absorbtion of certain wavelengths of light by the doped materials
>mentioned above,
You must be talking about the refractive index. Ever see a rainbow?
>this to explain the chemical coloring (look) of before mentioned clouds. I
>think the scientific name for this is Mass spectography...
Which shows how much you slept through your high school science class.
agent86x
wrote:
>On Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:53:47 -0400, H Pylori wrote:
>
>> Obviously you know a lot about this subject. Please share the
>> knowledge.
>
>Ah.. Silly me, now I recognise your nick.. Paul Gooding eh? You morphed...
>I wonder why? Did noone reply to you anymore, so you concluded that to
>many killfiles rules contained your old nick, for you to be able to spread the
>word? Anyway:
>
>I guess. you will have to do some good old googling to find the exchange I
>had with Andy Carol, where I described how (imo) it could be done and where I
>got my information.. I surely am not going to do the homework for the
>local troll, even when he wears a new name or goes out of his way to talk
>about a new subject instead of the points I raised 2 posts ago.. (Talking
>about those posts: I am still waiting for your reply Agent86.. Whats the
>matter? You most times reply so very quickly. The cat got your tongue?)
ER, I actually have to work to earn a living. If you note, I
generally get on once a day in the evening hours. What a maroon....
Arthur Dent
> On Mon, 03 Jun 2002 07:53:46 -0400, Hit1Hard <Hit.On...@iaehv.nl>
> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >I do assume and I know that that is risky that we don't have to discuss
> >that the breaking index of <sun> light in normal water vapour and the
> >breaking index of the chemically doped water vapour are different , nor
> >the absorbtion of certain wavelengths of light by the doped materials
> >mentioned above,
>
> You must be talking about the refractive index. Ever see a rainbow?
>
> >this to explain the chemical coloring (look) of before mentioned clouds. I
> >think the scientific name for this is Mass spectography...
>
> Which shows how much you slept through your high school science class.
I *did* try to explain this - but you know how dim the conspiracy whackos are.
A couple of simple examples.
Copper sulphate solution is blue in colout - but the absorbtion / emission line
for copper is green.
Sodium chloride ( salt ) has 2 in fact closely paired absorbtion / emission
lines at the orange end of the spectrum A solution of salt is however
colourless.
Mass spectroscopy does *not* tell you anything about the colour of the
substance !
Idiots trying to sound knowledgeable by quoting scientific pseudo-babble as
usual and falling at the first hurdle.
Cheers, Arthur.
agent86x
wrote:
<snip>
>I don't hide... Its just my <self created and choosen> name... Attached to
>a valid Email adress on a valid domain, so what is your beef? That my name
>doesn't appear in governement database that is in the public domain? No
>second of lost sleep to me.
an anonymous remailer in the Netherlands? When you are really posting
from Erskine College in South Carolina.
<snip
>I have allready done so, long ago.. Unlike you , I am bored having to put
>forward the same over and over discussions since I am not the copy and
>paste job kinda man......
>Beside the fact that you haven't even addressed the points I made 3 posts
>ago in this thread (Again I have to think about Agent86.. This time
>connected with the thought of a checkmate....) I think I can say : You
>first.
Why are you so hung up on me?
agent86x
wrote:
<snip>
>The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until
>they try to take it. --Thomas Jefferson
>
>Who is "They"?
It doesn't matter since the quote is bogus.
Hit1Hard
> agent86x wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 03 Jun 2002 07:53:46 -0400, Hit1Hard <Hit.On...@iaehv.nl>
>> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> >I do assume and I know that that is risky that we don't have to
>> >discuss that the breaking index of <sun> light in normal water vapour
>> >and the breaking index of the chemically doped water vapour are
>> >different , nor the absorbtion of certain wavelengths of light by the
>> >doped materials mentioned above,
>>
>> You must be talking about the refractive index. Ever see a rainbow?
>>
>> >this to explain the chemical coloring (look) of before mentioned
>> >clouds. I think the scientific name for this is Mass spectography...
>>
>> Which shows how much you slept through your high school science class.
>
> I *did* try to explain this - but you know how dim the conspiracy
> whackos are.
That is a big nono my friend, if you want to be taken serious here...... I
won't call you disinfo artist or sheepdog either...
> A couple of simple examples.
> Copper sulphate solution is blue in colout - but the absorbtion /
> emission line for copper is green.
Whats is the absorbed color of the second compound to make copper
sulphate? CuSO4 Sulphur -> Yellowish?
What is the remaining color you see in normal sunlight if you filter green
and that yellow from it? Blue?
I found even an Spectrum of blue to give an indication to you what is
filtered out/not present in that band of light...
http://ledlights.home.att.net/bluled1.gif
http://ledlights.home.att.net/blueled2.gif
For Oxigen I found
http://student.ulb.ac.be/~avdaele/img/O2.gif But that one seems if I
interprete that spectrum at the bottom right to walk straight out of
visible light.
> Sodium chloride ( salt ) has 2 in fact closely paired absorbtion /
> emission lines at the orange end of the spectrum A solution of salt is
> however colourless.
NaCl you can try to solve for yourself.
> Mass spectroscopy does *not* tell you anything about the colour of the
> substance !
>
> Idiots trying to sound knowledgeable by quoting scientific pseudo-babble
> as usual and falling at the first hurdle.
Hmm. Color mixing was art class... Eh What hurdle?
> Cheers, Arthur.
Family of CJS?
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wrote:
>On Mon, 03 Jun 2002 07:53:46 -0400, Hit1Hard <Hit.On...@iaehv.nl>
>wrote:
>>Ok.. For comparison first : Since Anthrax is still on everyone's mind What
>>does one (1) Anthrax spore weight? (Since it is basically nothing more
>>then an organised heep of molecules..)
>>How many Antrax spores went into 1 Gram? A couple of million? A couple of
>>billion?
The weight of an individual anthrax spore is probably not an issue, as
one does not inhale single spores, one inhales particles containing
spores. The particles in the letter sent by terrorists to Senate
Majority Leader Tom Daschle’s office weighed roughly 10^-10 grams
each.
>Not paticularly relevent. If you spread 1 gram of anthrax spores
>acoss 100 miles, you wouldn't infect anyone. That's one of the
>problems with using it as a weapon.
Using 1 gram in Phil Miller's value of 10^11 m3 for the volume of a
"chemtrail" gives one particle per 10 m3, which corresponds to an
average person breathing two particles per day. That's considerably
less than an average lethal dose.
[snip]
>>I do assume and I know that that is risky that we don't have to discuss
>>that the breaking index of <sun> light in normal water vapour and the
>>breaking index of the chemically doped water vapour are different , nor
>>the absorbtion of certain wavelengths of light by the doped materials
>>mentioned above,
>
>You must be talking about the refractive index. Ever see a rainbow?
>
>>this to explain the chemical coloring (look) of before mentioned clouds. I
>>think the scientific name for this is Mass spectography...
Um, no. There is a widely used technology known as "mass spectrometry"
that generates a spectrum of particle number as a function of particle
mass to charge ratio. See:
http://chipo.chem.uic.edu/web1/ocol/spec/MS.htm
Mass spectrometry has nothing to do with light. The term "mass
spectrography" is little used. For example,
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22mass+spectrometry%22 generates
180,000 hits, whereas
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22mass+spectrography%22
generates 293 hits. All 293 appear to be incorrect terminology, i.e.,
they should refer to mass spectrometry.
One who aspires to be taken seriously ought to understand the
scientific terminology and use it correctly; they certainly ought to
do this before jumping on the cases of others. "Breaking index" and
"mass spectrography" based on light wavelengths are scientific
gibberish.
Regards,
George
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Hit1Hard
Gravity at work after seeding of the sky?
> Width average half a mile to two miles. Documented to be a min. of 100
> miles long.
>
> Using the *smallest* values
>
> "chemtrail" volume = height x width x length
> = 1/2 mile x 1/2 mile x 100 mile
ok your example :
805 metre x 805 metre x 160,934 metre
(rounded) = 104,289,255,350 cubic metres
5,784 Kg = 5784 g => 5784/104,289,255,350 = 5,5 E-8 g/M^3 (You made a
slight mistake in your numbers. Can't go from Kg to gram without using the
factor 1000.)
http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/periodic_table/atomic_weight.html One
gram is about 600,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 amu
We had 5,5E -8 g/M^3 to spend for atoms. In Amu that would be : 6 E 23 *
5,5E -8 = (6 x 5,5) * 10^(23-11) = 33 * 10 E12 amu
For example Ba (Ps 56) has 137.34 amu a atom
(33 * 10 E12) / 137.34 = 2,402796E 11 Ba atoms in one cubic meter of your
chemcloud... Is that enough seeds for water to condens on and form the
basis of the ice crystals we see from down here as chem clouds?
Disclaimer : I hope I understand amu well enough, otherwise the result may
differ from the above... You see, I really slept a lot during those
classes I never had.
>>> which is an EXCEEDINGLY tiny amount.
>>
>>Ok.. For comparison first : Since Anthrax is still on everyone's mind
>>What does one (1) Anthrax spore weight? (Since it is basically nothing
>>more then an organised heep of molecules..)
>>
>>How many Antrax spores went into 1 Gram? A couple of million? A couple
>>of billion?
>
> Not paticularly relevent. If you spread 1 gram of anthrax spores acoss
> 100 miles, you wouldn't infect anyone. That's one of the problems with
> using it as a weapon.
Unless done on a daily basis a lot of times and thus infecting a large
area making it useless for the enemy.. The Anthrax was only as "easy"
understandable example of size, and numbers not for the discussion.
>>(Lets agree on defining anything small on which water molecules can
>>condensate and grow in the form of ice crystals in the sky a seed..) How
>>many seeds a Cubicle Meter do you need to see ice crystals in the form
>>of
>
> Cubicle Meter?
My mistake... It is cubic Meter.. That little mistake surely made the whole
statement uninterpretable for you eh? Now how about answering the
question?
>>the contrails? 5,000? 100,000? Since the watermolecules condensate out
>>of the air around little seeds.. The only thing needed are the seeds..
>>Make your estimation. and do imagine that a 1,000,000 snowflakes a
>>Cubicle Yard would give a hell of a snowstorm or show to see come
>>down....
>>
>>> Then assume that this amount is released at 30,000 feet. Go figure
>>> the atmospheric dilution by the time it gets to the surface.
>>>
>>> It's a farce.
>>
>>Ok.. Lets keep the audience laughing then.. People who laugh don't
>>think.
>>
>>I do assume and I know that that is risky that we don't have to discuss
>>that the breaking index of <sun> light in normal water vapour and the
>>breaking index of the chemically doped water vapour are different , nor
>>the absorbtion of certain wavelengths of light by the doped materials
>>mentioned above,
>
> You must be talking about the refractive index. Ever see a rainbow?
No, I never saw a rainbow.....
>>this to explain the chemical coloring (look) of before mentioned clouds.
>>I think the scientific name for this is Mass spectography...
>
> Which shows how much you slept through your high school science class.
Are you really here to discuss subjects?
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no matter what the evidence. But when you look at some of the material out
there ... http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm This site even has pictures!
But they look a lot like vapor trails. Check this out ...
http://www.howstuffworks.com/question195.htm
Question
Why do those long, white clouds form behind jets flying high overhead?
Answer
The clouds that jets form on certain days are called condensation
trails or contrails. Some days, the contrails will form thin lines that
cross the entire sky. Other days they will be much shorter, and on some days
there will be none at all.
A contrail forms because one of the components of jet engine exhaust
is water. Jet fuel is made of carbon and hydrogen (see this Question of the
Day for details on fuel, and see How Gas Turbine Engines Work for details on
jet engines). When jet fuel burns with oxygen, most of the exhaust consists
of CO2 (carbon dioxide) and H2O (water). The water is generally an invisible
vapor.
When you exhale, your breath contains a great deal of invisible water
vapor as well. You may have noticed that on certain days in the winter, your
breath will form a cloud of condensation when you exhale. In the summer,
however, you don't see your breath. Cold air can hold a lot less moisture
than warm air, so in the winter, when the moisture in your breath hits the
cold air, the moisture condenses into a visible cloud.
The same thing happens when a jet engine "exhales." If the
temperature, winds and humidity in the upper atmosphere are right, long,
white contrails form when the moisture in the exhaust condenses.
These links will help you learn more:
a.. Contrails
b.. Observing Contrails
c.. Jet contrails to be significant climate factor by 2050
d.. How Gas Turbine Engines Work
e.. What is the difference between gasoline, kerosene, diesel fuel,
etc.?
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Hit1Hard
> One who aspires to be taken seriously ought to understand the scientific
> terminology and use it correctly; they certainly ought to do this before
> jumping on the cases of others. "Breaking index" and "mass
> spectrography" based on light wavelengths are scientific gibberish.
Sorry.. Second non native language. Thanks for grooming up my vocabulary.
> Regards,
>
> George
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> On Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:07:18 -0400, Arthur Dent wrote:
>
> > agent86x wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 03 Jun 2002 07:53:46 -0400, Hit1Hard <Hit.On...@iaehv.nl>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> >I do assume and I know that that is risky that we don't have to
> >> >discuss that the breaking index of <sun> light in normal water vapour
> >> >and the breaking index of the chemically doped water vapour are
> >> >different , nor the absorbtion of certain wavelengths of light by the
> >> >doped materials mentioned above,
> >>
> >> You must be talking about the refractive index. Ever see a rainbow?
> >>
> >> >this to explain the chemical coloring (look) of before mentioned
> >> >clouds. I think the scientific name for this is Mass spectography...
> >>
> >> Which shows how much you slept through your high school science class.
> >
> > I *did* try to explain this - but you know how dim the conspiracy
> > whackos are.
>
> That is a big nono my friend, if you want to be taken serious here...... I
> won't call you disinfo artist or sheepdog either...
I can assure I *am* taken seriously here - theregulars in ada know who I am -
*not* something that can be said for your self.
>
> > A couple of simple examples.
> > Copper sulphate solution is blue in colout - but the absorbtion /
> > emission line for copper is green.
>
> Whats is the absorbed color of the second compound to make copper
> sulphate? CuSO4 Sulphur -> Yellowish?
I see already you are showing your misunderstanding. Yellow is the natural
colour of most suphur - although it can also change coulour to red. Just take
some 'flowers of sulhpur' and heat gently. Nothing to do with an absorbtion
line.
>
> What is the remaining color you see in normal sunlight if you filter green
> and that yellow from it? Blue?
Holy shit ! Well what happenned to the absortion line for oxygen too then ?
Gonna make up some new 'interesting' explanation.
>
> I found even an Spectrum of blue to give an indication to you what is
> filtered out/not present in that band of light...
> http://ledlights.home.att.net/bluled1.gif
> http://ledlights.home.att.net/blueled2.gif
>
And *exactly what ? * have Blue Leds got to do with this. Led action is entirely
another matter altogether. A small example - how come that basically the same
elements are found in Red, Green AND Yellow Leds. The answer about Led operation
is to do with 'bandgap' energy btw.
>
> For Oxigen I found
> http://student.ulb.ac.be/~avdaele/img/O2.gif But that one seems if I
> interprete that spectrum at the bottom right to walk straight out of
> visible light.
>
> > Sodium chloride ( salt ) has 2 in fact closely paired absorbtion /
> > emission lines at the orange end of the spectrum A solution of salt is
> > however colourless.
>
> NaCl you can try to solve for yourself.
Oh I see - you haven't managed to fabricate some 'story' for that then ? Not
only do you loons fabricate crazy stories - but you even fabricate
'pseudo-science' to try and make them look plausible. Shame you don't know much
about science.
> > Mass spectroscopy does *not* tell you anything about the colour of the
> > substance !
> >
> > Idiots trying to sound knowledgeable by quoting scientific pseudo-babble
> > as usual and falling at the first hurdle.
>
> Hmm. Color mixing was art class... Eh What hurdle?
Back to remedial art class for you matey. They like patients doing art in the
asylum - seems to keep them busy.
>
> > Cheers, Arthur.
>
> Family of CJS?
No actually, although he and I share a similar loathing of really dim people.
Arthur.
Arthur Dent
> What a great bit of material here. Truly amazing what some people believe,
> no matter what the evidence. But when you look at some of the material out
> there ... http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm This site even has pictures!
Just had a quick look. Above 'third megasprayer captured' is a 'photo' - caption
Paonia, Colorado Aug 24 1999 that appears to show a 'chemtrail' briefly
disappear and re-appear.
Look at the pic and notice that the background contrast differs subtly in a
vertical band where the trail 'vanishes'. Clearly someone busy with Photoshop or
similar.
A bit sad when the loons resort to doctoring the evidence in pursuit of thier
rabid imagination. Makes the rest of that site totally suspect and therefore
worthless. Even if it does show contrails.
LOSERS !
>
> But they look a lot like vapor trails. Check this out ...
> http://www.howstuffworks.com/question195.htm
>
< snip text from link >
Yeah and during the winter you get a 'contrail' out of your car's exhaust at
first. But then it vanishes when the engine warms up !
Reckon the 'gubmint' is putting toxins in Gasoline ? Oh - but we agreed - they
would be burnt up in the combustion process ! Duh !
A.D.
Andrew Carol
<cas...@mayhem.kiva.net> wrote:
> Vizzutti is a prime example of this. His website is heavily unsubstantiated,
> and contains massive errors. These errors have been pointed out to him, but
> he's never bothered to change it to account for the errors.
He also refuses to accept he lives under a busy airlane. He wonders
why they would bother to send so many aircraft to "spray" his tiny
little town, oblivious to the fact that much of US/Canadian traffic to
Asia, Alaska (and Europe via the pole) goes right over his town.
I once showed him tons of "great circle" plots which would put the
traffic over his town and he refuses to belive it.
--- Andy
Steve J.
more scientific, less conspiratorial approach.
-sj
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Arthur Dent
Ah - this is his hamlet with the nearby VOR or whatever nr Vancouver ?
Makes you wonder what he reckons navigational aids are there for doesn't it ?
Ahhh - let me guess - the radio waves are for mind-control ? So you don't notice
the poison perhaps. Gimme the happy drugs pls !
Duh !
Arthur.
H Pylori
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Assuming that these guys actually "believe" anything. I am convincned that
they thrive on the attention they get by being contrary. If Vizzutti were
so lame as to believe in chemtrails, he could just as easily believe that
the earth is flat. After all, it sure *looks* flat.
Andrew Carol
<babe...@SiriusCyberneticsCorp.com> wrote:
> Andrew Carol wrote:
>
> > In article <adj8ah$h7n$1...@mayhem.kiva.net>, Geoff Cashman
> > <cas...@mayhem.kiva.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Vizzutti is a prime example of this. His website is heavily
> > > unsubstantiated,
> > > and contains massive errors. These errors have been pointed out to him,
> > > but
> > > he's never bothered to change it to account for the errors.
> >
> > He also refuses to accept he lives under a busy airlane. He wonders
> > why they would bother to send so many aircraft to "spray" his tiny
> > little town, oblivious to the fact that much of US/Canadian traffic to
> > Asia, Alaska (and Europe via the pole) goes right over his town.
> >
> > I once showed him tons of "great circle" plots which would put the
> > traffic over his town and he refuses to belive it.
>
> Ah - this is his hamlet with the nearby VOR or whatever nr Vancouver ?
Yup.
Right under the great circle to Anchorage which is a major hub for
Europe over the pole and Asia.
About 18 months ago I gave him a list of about 40 flights a day which
would go within a few miles of his town. It took all of about 15
minutes to gather.
--- Andy
Hit1Hard
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>
> Hit1Hard wrote:
>>
>> btw.. The email address is real... A never ending stream of Spam as a
>> result comes my way.. But we allready know what happens with Spam that
>> is send (In 10 or more languages!) to me eh?
>
> You got rich quick at home stuffing envelopes?
I never tried since getting rich in a slow or quick fashion isn't my main target of
life..... Did it work for you?
Oh. before I forget and bringing this part of the thread back to the subject you and the
others are so desperate trying to divert the attentrion from....
I took the example of Barium.. (Ba)...
Here is a nice article about that particular chemical and its occurance
in the admosphere... And since there was no "real" discussion about the
numbers I produced by the ones in the know (Sat in front furing science
classes.) I can savely assume there were no mistakes in the
calculations....
http://www.carnicom.com/precip1.htm
2,402796 E11 Ba Atoms in a M^3
That is 240.279.600.000 Atoms (240 trillion 279 million, 600 hundred
thousand. Atoms) in one cubic Meter. One breath of air is about 4-7
Liter.. that is 0,004-0,007 times 240.279.600.000 = 961.118.400 -
1.681.957.200 Atoms each breath..
Breath in, Breath out..
>
> Cheers...Craig
> http://members.rennlist.com/skiffboy/ --- I'm not dumb. I just have a
> command of thoroughly useless information. - Calvin (and Hobbes)
>
> All I want is a warm bed and a kind word and unlimited power. - Ashleigh
> Brilliant
>
> I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy
> me.
> - Fred Allen
>
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>
>I once showed him tons of "great circle" plots which would put the
>traffic over his town and he refuses to believe it.
What do you expect from an 8th grade education?
From: Richard Vizzutti (richard-...@home.com)
Subject: Re: FOX "Moon Hoax"
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic, alt.conspiracy, alt.extropians,
alt.journalism
Date: 2001-03-07 16:04:08 PST
Oh really. So let's hear why. I would be more than happy to debate
this with an aerospace engineer. You may find it rather amusing since
I have a grade 8 education.
agent86x
wrote:
How sad.
>> Width average half a mile to two miles. Documented to be a min. of 100
>> miles long.
>>
>> Using the *smallest* values
>>
>> "chemtrail" volume = height x width x length
>> = 1/2 mile x 1/2 mile x 100 mile
>
>ok your example :
>
> 805 metre x 805 metre x 160,934 metre
>(rounded) = 104,289,255,350 cubic metres
>
>5,784 Kg = 5784 g => 5784/104,289,255,350 = 5,5 E-8 g/M^3 (You made a
>slight mistake in your numbers. Can't go from Kg to gram without using the
>factor 1000.)
But I did. 5,784 kilograms is 5,784,000 grams. In the United States,
commas are not decimal points.
>http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/periodic_table/atomic_weight.html
The website is actually
http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/periodic_table/atomic_mass.html
but who's counting....
> One
>gram is about 600,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 amu
>We had 5,5E -8 g/M^3 to spend for atoms. In Amu that would be : 6 E 23 *
>5,5E -8 = (6 x 5,5) * 10^(23-11) = 33 * 10 E12 amu
>
>For example Ba (Ps 56) has 137.34 amu a atom
>
>(33 * 10 E12) / 137.34 = 2,402796E 11 Ba atoms in one cubic meter of your
>chemcloud... Is that enough seeds for water to condens on and form the
>basis of the ice crystals we see from down here as chem clouds?
Ice crystals don't form around atoms, sparky. What a maroon.
>Disclaimer : I hope I understand amu well enough,
You don't.
>otherwise the result may
>differ from the above... You see, I really slept a lot during those
>classes I never had.
Yes, you did. And it's obvious that you never had them.
>>>> which is an EXCEEDINGLY tiny amount.
>>>
>>>Ok.. For comparison first : Since Anthrax is still on everyone's mind
>>>What does one (1) Anthrax spore weight? (Since it is basically nothing
>>>more then an organised heep of molecules..)
>>>
>>>How many Antrax spores went into 1 Gram? A couple of million? A couple
>>>of billion?
>>
>> Not paticularly relevent. If you spread 1 gram of anthrax spores acoss
>> 100 miles, you wouldn't infect anyone. That's one of the problems with
>> using it as a weapon.
>
>Unless done on a daily basis a lot of times and thus infecting a large
>area making it useless for the enemy.. The Anthrax was only as "easy"
>understandable example of size, and numbers not for the discussion.
It won't be cumulative. At least not like you imagine it.
>>>(Lets agree on defining anything small on which water molecules can
>>>condensate and grow in the form of ice crystals in the sky a seed..) How
>>>many seeds a Cubicle Meter do you need to see ice crystals in the form
>>>of
>>
>> Cubicle Meter?
>
>My mistake... It is cubic Meter.. That little mistake surely made the whole
>statement uninterpretable for you eh? Now how about answering the
>question?
It just shows how little you know.
Contrails aren't made up of ice crystals.
>>>the contrails? 5,000? 100,000? Since the watermolecules condensate out
>>>of the air around little seeds.. The only thing needed are the seeds..
>>>Make your estimation. and do imagine that a 1,000,000 snowflakes a
>>>Cubicle Yard would give a hell of a snowstorm or show to see come
>>>down....
>>>
>>>> Then assume that this amount is released at 30,000 feet. Go figure
>>>> the atmospheric dilution by the time it gets to the surface.
>>>>
>>>> It's a farce.
>>>
>>>Ok.. Lets keep the audience laughing then.. People who laugh don't
>>>think.
>>>
>>>I do assume and I know that that is risky that we don't have to discuss
>>>that the breaking index of <sun> light in normal water vapour and the
>>>breaking index of the chemically doped water vapour are different , nor
>>>the absorbtion of certain wavelengths of light by the doped materials
>>>mentioned above,
>>
>> You must be talking about the refractive index. Ever see a rainbow?
>
>No, I never saw a rainbow.....
Figures.
>>>this to explain the chemical coloring (look) of before mentioned clouds.
>>>I think the scientific name for this is Mass spectography...
>>
>> Which shows how much you slept through your high school science class.
>
>Are you really here to discuss subjects?
It takes two intelligent people to have a discussion. I'm one,
where's the other one?
agent86x
wrote:
>On Tue, 04 Jun 2002 21:35:48 -0400, CJS wrote:
>
>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>
>> Hit1Hard wrote:
>>>
>>> btw.. The email address is real... A never ending stream of Spam as a
>>> result comes my way.. But we allready know what happens with Spam that
>>> is send (In 10 or more languages!) to me eh?
>>
>> You got rich quick at home stuffing envelopes?
>
>I never tried since getting rich in a slow or quick fashion isn't my main target of
>life..... Did it work for you?
>
>Oh. before I forget and bringing this part of the thread back to the subject you and the
>others are so desperate trying to divert the attentrion from....
>
>I took the example of Barium.. (Ba)...
>Here is a nice article about that particular chemical and its occurance
>in the admosphere... And since there was no "real" discussion about the
>numbers I produced by the ones in the know (Sat in front furing science
>classes.) I can savely assume there were no mistakes in the
>calculations....
You were only off by a factor of a thousand.
Hit1Hard
> You were only off by a factor of a thousand.
Where? That is to close to sit back comfortable...
--
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same damn thing over and over. --Edna St. Vincent Millay
Hit1Hard
> On Tue, 04 Jun 2002 23:29:49 -0400, agent86x wrote:
>
>> You were only off by a factor of a thousand.
>
> Where? That is to close to sit back comfortable...
Dang.. I see where... What fucking side are you on?
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Hit1Hard
Why.. I only stated that I can't estimate the thickness. I can however see
that the thickness will develop given time by gravity...
>>> Width average half a mile to two miles. Documented to be a min. of 100
>>> miles long.
>>>
>>> Using the *smallest* values
>>>
>>> "chemtrail" volume = height x width x length
>>> = 1/2 mile x 1/2 mile x 100 mile
>>
>>ok your example :
>>
>> 805 metre x 805 metre x 160,934 metre
>>(rounded) = 104,289,255,350 cubic metres
>>
>>5,784 Kg = 5784 g => 5784/104,289,255,350 = 5,5 E-8 g/M^3 (You made a
>>slight mistake in your numbers. Can't go from Kg to gram without using
>>the factor 1000.)
>
> But I did. 5,784 kilograms is 5,784,000 grams. In the United States,
> commas are not decimal points.
There is the factor 1000. That has to be multiplied to the outcome...
Making it even worse.
>>http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/periodic_table/atomic_weight.html
>
> The website is actually
> http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/periodic_table/atomic_mass.html but
> who's counting....
>
>> One
>>gram is about 600,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 amu
>
>>We had 5,5E -8 g/M^3 to spend for atoms. In Amu that would be : 6 E 23 *
>>5,5E -8 = (6 x 5,5) * 10^(23-11) = 33 * 10 E12 amu
>>
>>For example Ba (Ps 56) has 137.34 amu a atom
>>
>>(33 * 10 E12) / 137.34 = 2,402796E 11 Ba atoms in one cubic meter of
>>your chemcloud... Is that enough seeds for water to condens on and form
>>the basis of the ice crystals we see from down here as chem clouds?
>
> Ice crystals don't form around atoms, sparky. What a maroon.
Dont be so such a self assured chill.. First of all, lower air presure at that
altitude, making H2O boil on a lower temperature (Evaporate faster.) So
the atoms have to stick in icecrystals to one another in a not liquid
form. (Also because of the lower temp on altitude.. -56 C ) And however
you are going to turn it.. Somewhere you will have atoms sticking to
atoms.. Unless there is different Physics where you come from.
>>Disclaimer : I hope I understand amu well enough,
>
> You don't.
Correct.. So how many atoms did we come out in the end a Cubic Meter
according to you? 1000 times more then I calculated?
Again dodging eh?
> Contrails aren't made up of ice crystals.
Enlighten us on how you have concluded that water vapor (A liquid!!) can
exist over long periods of time in low presure and low temperature enviroments?
>>>>the contrails? 5,000? 100,000? Since the watermolecules condensate out
>>>>of the air around little seeds.. The only thing needed are the seeds..
>>>>Make your estimation. and do imagine that a 1,000,000 snowflakes a
>>>>Cubicle Yard would give a hell of a snowstorm or show to see come
>>>>down....
>>>>
>>>>> Then assume that this amount is released at 30,000 feet. Go figure
>>>>> the atmospheric dilution by the time it gets to the surface.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a farce.
>>>>
>>>>Ok.. Lets keep the audience laughing then.. People who laugh don't
>>>>think.
>>>>
>>>>I do assume and I know that that is risky that we don't have to
>>>>discuss that the breaking index of <sun> light in normal water vapour
>>>>and the breaking index of the chemically doped water vapour are
>>>>different , nor the absorbtion of certain wavelengths of light by the
>>>>doped materials mentioned above,
>>>
>>> You must be talking about the refractive index. Ever see a rainbow?
>>
>>No, I never saw a rainbow.....
>
> Figures.
Actually it is called sarcasm.
>
>>>>this to explain the chemical coloring (look) of before mentioned
>>>>clouds. I think the scientific name for this is Mass spectography...
>>>
>>> Which shows how much you slept through your high school science class.
>>
>>Are you really here to discuss subjects?
>
> It takes two intelligent people to have a discussion. I'm one, where's
> the other one?
I don't know.. What I do know, that if the chemtrails are bad news. Your ass is on
the line too...
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H Pylori
Well, I'll overlook the fact that this construct is not a readable paragraph
.... we'll stipulate that you are overcome with emotion, and give you
additional points for the late hour which has dulled your brain.
Now, let's extract the most likely meaning from your blurb: If the trails
are chemtrails (since there is no
evidence that I know of which supports a conclusion that they are), a
rhetorical "your ass" is on the line.
Do we have any evidence that any actual chemicals or aerosols are reaching
the surface? Keep in mind that the loons have been screaming about this for
years ... I've been watching these trails for 50 years myself.
Where is the analysis of air at the surface which reveals any materials that
would not be expected to be there? You know, those durn chemicals?
Aerosols? I saw anthrax being mentioned in the thread .... where are the
cases of anthrax? For that matter, where is there any physical evidence of
any kind that there are any chemicals being released? Being manufactured
for this purpose? Being transported? Being stored? Being loaded? That
equipment for this purpose is being made? Installed? Maintained?
Personnel being trained? Where are the thousands of engineers, technicians,
handlers, flight planners who are involved in this scheme?
Do you have anything at all except an endless capacity to churn and churn
and argue, without any apparent purpose, about particle sizes and anything
else you can think of to distract from the fact that you have nothing of
substance to support the shit for brains notion that you are being sprayed?
Don't bother to answer: We already know the answer. About the only thing
being sprayed is the saliva from your mouth.
Arthur Dent
Oh wow ! Are you saying a few atoms of barium are dangerous to your health ?
As a kid I had regular tummy upsets and therefore was given a 'Barium Meal' X-ray to examine
my stomach / intestine. Involved drinking about 2 litres ? of a heavy barium oxide ?
'solution' in water.
No harm resulted - although I was shitting white stuff for about a day.
A.D.
p.s. - why are you using commas or 'decimal' points as separators for number values in your
calculations ?
This is partly how NASA lost - was it Mars Explorer ?
SI convention is - separate units of 1000 by spaces and 'decimal point' is a comma ( reason
being, more easy to print and read legibly - cannot be mistaken for a blemish )
eg 12,345.67 g ( US method ) = 12 345,67 g ( Syteme Internationale - all countries other
than US )
No idea what 1.681.957.200 Atoms is ! 1,681 957 200 atoms ? ( just over 1 1/2 atoms ) - or 1
681,957200 atoms ( a few thousand ) - or WTF ! Get up to date boy !
Arthur Dent
Holy shit ! I would laugh if I saw that given as some form of reasoning in a science
exam !
What drugs are you on ? There's quite a few around for treating paranoia.
A.D.
Hit1Hard
Can you read : (240 trillion 279 million, 600 hundred thousand Atoms)?
And that number is a factor of 1000 of, proven by A86.
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> On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 00:56:09 -0400, Arthur Dent wrote:
> Can you read : (240 trillion 279 million, 600 hundred thousand Atoms)?
> And that number is a factor of 1000 of, proven by A86.
The number of angels that can be balanced on the tip of your pinhead?
Hit1Hard
Whatever Mr Gooding... I do notice a certain trend in this "discussion"..
Divertion from subject, Attack on character and insults without really
going into the subject.. Thats kinda sad, when one thinks that since The
other side claimes to be right and have all the knowledge on their side,
they could wipe this discussion with facts right of the table, whatever the
subject is.. So it really shows how desperate the situation must be to
resort to such discussion techniques..
Oh.. and to get back to the first post/reply exchange we had Mr Gooding in
this subject.. Next time I am not because some <sockpuppet> Idiot asks
redoing this whole discussion when I refer to the number of atoms in a
cubic meter of chemtrail, And really there is no watervapour (Liquid form
of H20) at -56 degrees Celsius....
Greetings to the other chills.... And dont forget:. Breath in, Breath
out...
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have sent photos to the Department of Defence. Where do all these jets come
from. People here have told me that I live in a main air traffic route
Flight Explorer ( http://www.flightexplorer.com/ ) tends to show very little
traffic here. Yet the people here insist that they know so much and are so
right.
Why is are little ole town sprayed so often. Why is that we are totally
secluded. This is a researchers dream come true having a closed environment
to work with. It was mention once on Art Bell that are area is the heaviest
hit area in North America.
-Rick-
Canadian Chemtrails
http://www.geocities.com/canadianchemtrails
-Rick-
would go within a few miles of his town. It took all of about 15
minutes to gather.<
They come straight over our town. A few miles out is well over the water.
-Rick-
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Andrew Carol
<washin...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Did you know that Einstein was a drop out too?
>
> -Rick-
You want to compare yourself to other drop outs? Do their
accomplishments mean you might go on to similar achievement?
You want a list of murderers who were high school drop outs?
BTW, Einstein graduated high school in 1900, and went on to work for
and receive a University degree:
http://www.sofitec.lu/misc/einstein.htm
"Einstein, who was then 15 years old, withdrew from the schools of
Munich. He stayed a year with his parents in Milan ,then left to finish
secondary school in Arrau, Switzerland, and entered the Swiss National
Polytechnic in Zürich .Again the schools here didn't satisfy Einstein.
He often cut classes and used the time to study physics on his own or
to play violin. He graduated in 1900 but his professors disliked him
and wouldn't recommend him for a position in the University."
"In 1905 Einstein received his doctorate from the University of Zürich
for a theoretical dissertation on the dimensions of molecules, and he
also published three theoretical papers important to the development of
20th-century physics. "
Arthur Dent
Have you *ANY* idea how small an atom or molecule is ? NO !
Here's a quick excerpt from a UK eduction institution I found in about a
minute.
The first thing we need to appreciate is that atoms are very small. That might
be stating the obvious but it is important you
appreciate just how small these things are. If, for example you had 180g of
glucose that would comprise
602300000000000000000000 (6.023 x 10 23) molecules of glucose. Now that’s a
lot of molecules. This also happens to be
the number of atoms in 12g of carbon-12 and indeed the number of molecules in
18g of water. There is obviously something
special about this number and it is called the Avogadro Constant or Avogadro
Number. This is the number of entities (whether
they be atoms, molecules or whatever) in one mole of that particular
substance. We’ve suddenly moved very quickly and
maybe we ought to take a small step back.
We know that atoms must be very small given that such a small mass can contain
so many of them. An atom typically has a
mass of about 10-23g. Obviously it is unrealistic to work with such figures so
we need a more manageable unit - the relative
atomic mass. We define the relative atomic mass as:..................
Arthur
-Rick-
LOL! That's a good one!
-Rick-
"Andrew Carol" <aaca...@coastside.net> wrote in message
news:050620020916592092%aaca...@coastside.net...
H Pylori
> On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 01:37:07 -0400, H Pylori wrote:
>
> > "Hit1Hard" <Hit.On...@iaehv.nl> wrote in message
> > news:pan.2002.06.05.04....@iaehv.nl...
> >> On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 00:56:09 -0400, Arthur Dent wrote: Can you read :
> >> (240 trillion 279 million, 600 hundred thousand Atoms)? And that number
> >> is a factor of 1000 of, proven by A86.
> >
> > The number of angels that can be balanced on the tip of your pinhead?
>
> Whatever Mr Gooding... I do notice a certain trend in this "discussion"..
> Divertion from subject
Really? What's the subject? Particle sizes?
The subject line of the thread references chemtrails. Do you have any
evidence that there are, in fact,
any chemtrails?
-Rick-
"Geoff Cashman" <cas...@mayhem.kiva.net> wrote in message
news:adlo39$hri$1...@mayhem.kiva.net...
> In article <8MpL8.186216$GG6.15...@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>,
> -Rick- <washin...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >>About 18 months ago I gave him a list of about 40 flights a day which
> >would go within a few miles of his town. It took all of about 15
> >minutes to gather.<
> >
> >They come straight over our town. A few miles out is well over the water.
>
My website is full of photos of them going over my house.
>
> We showed how dozens of planes per day fly over your hamlet in your
> in a tizzy because they're flying DIRECTLY over your hamlet?
Not according to the radar from Flight Explorer. If I am wrong send me a
screen shot.
>Come
> on Richard...you're under a MAJOR airway. Get over it. Don't like
> it? Move somewhere else.
>
> Come to think of it, if you think the supposed chemtrails are just
> *sooooooooooooooo* awful how come you haven't moved? Why do you
> stay in a pipsquatnothing town if you think you are being sprayed
> with chemicals by the ebilgubmint there? Huh?
>
> -Geoff
Yah just quit working and live on welfare. Sure thing.
-Rick-
--
Canadian Chemtrails
http://www.geocities.com/canadianchemtrails
Phil Miller
wrote:
>>About 18 months ago I gave him a list of about 40 flights a day which
>would go within a few miles of his town. It took all of about 15
>minutes to gather.<
>
>They come straight over our town. A few miles out is well over the water.
>
>-Rick-
Hey Rick, you must have forgotten this information I posted here in
August last year;
============
Hey, Richard! Have a look at the Canadian Designated Airspace Handbook:
http://aero.nrcan.gc.ca/Pdf/DAH22MAR01.pdf
It is a bit slow to download. Here are some pertinent bits:
I found that there is a low level airway that passes over Powell River.
This is it:
>>A16
>>Comox, BC NDB --- Powell River, BC NDB
>>Powell River, BC NDB --- Macar, BC Intxn
>>Macar, BC Intxn --- Nanaimo, BC NDB
>>Nanaimo, BC NDB --- Active Pass, BC NDB
>>Active Pass, BC NDB --- Can/USA bdry
The DAH says this about altitude in low level airways:
>>The airspace classification for low level airways and fixed RNAV routes is:
>>Class B airspace – Above 12,500.... ASL or at and above the MEA, whichever is higher
>>Class E airspace – The airspace extending upwards from 2200.... AGL up to and including
>>12,500.... ASL or to below the MEA, whichever is higher.
From the glossary section of the same document:
>>AGL ...... Above Ground Level
>>ASL....... Above Sea Level
>>MEA....... Minimum Enroute Altitude
>>RNAV...... Area Navigation
So, to be in a designated airway an aircraft would only have to be 2,200
feet above ground level. Makes me wonder how you decided the aircraft
pictured on your website are too low to be legal.
And the most amazing discovery!!!!
>>Powell River, BC NDB N49 50’12" W124 30’05"
Powell River is home to an NDB!!!! No wonder you have aircraft flying
over all the time! There is a navigation aid in your town!
>>NDB....... Non-directional Beacon
Just by the way, there is also a designated acrobatic area in your
vicinity:
>>CYA116(A) POWELL RIVER, BC
>>An acrobatic area bounded by a line beginning at 49 59' 00"N 124 15'30"W
>>to 49 45'10"N 124 10'00"W to 49 44'00"N 124 18'45"W to
>>49 58'00"N 124 24'30"W to the point of beginning.
>>Designated Altitude – Surface to 4500....
>>Time of Designation – Cont daylight
All in all it should be a pretty busy place, aircraft wise.
========================
Phil
-----------
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge...others just gargle.
Andrew Carol
<cas...@mayhem.kiva.net> wrote:
> You don't believe in chemtrails anymore than you believe
> in furry little bunnies on Pluto deciding the fate of
> common house flies in Zimbabwe.
Actually that one is true. At least for the blue bunnies. The yellow
bunnies don't seem to have an effect on house flys in Zimbabwe. The
jury is still out on what the effect is on mice in Maryland.
;-)
--- Andy
agent86x
wrote:
<snip>
>>> 2,402796 E11 Ba Atoms in a M^3
>>> That is 240.279.600.000 Atoms (240 trillion 279 million, 600 hundred
>>> thousand. Atoms) in one cubic Meter. One breath of air is about 4-7
>>> Liter.. that is 0,004-0,007 times 240.279.600.000 = 961.118.400 -
>>> 1.681.957.200 Atoms each breath..
You wouldn't even notice the barium. It still is only 5.6 x 10^-5
grams. What a hoot. Do you think that all you take in is barium in
this scenario?
<snip>
>> No idea what 1.681.957.200 Atoms is ! 1,681 957 200 atoms ? ( just over
>> 1 1/2 atoms ) - or 1 681,957200 atoms ( a few thousand ) - or WTF ! Get
>> up to date boy !
>
>Can you read : (240 trillion 279 million, 600 hundred thousand Atoms)?
>And that number is a factor of 1000 of, proven by A86.
ER, no. And your "math" is no better than your "science".
Avogadro's number is 6.02252 x 10^23 molecules/gram-mole
Barium 137.34 grams/gram-mole
If 5% of the plane's weight were to be barium, then it would be
carrying 5,784,000 grams of barium.
The stated estimated contrail dimension for the analysis is 0.5 miles
high x 0.5 miles wide x 100 miles long, yielding 104.3 x 10^9 cubic
meters.
5.784 x 10^6 grams times 6.02252 x 10^23 atoms/gram-mole divided by
137.34 grams/gram-mole divided by 104.3 x 10^9 cubic meters yields
2.43 x 10^17 atoms/cubic meter which is
243,000,000,000,000,000
But that doesn't have squat to do with anything since there is no way
that individual atoms can be sprayed from an airplane and there is no
way that individual atoms of anything will accumulate water vapor.
A good explanation of the "chemtrail folly" is at
agent86x
wrote:
>On Tue, 04 Jun 2002 23:29:49 -0400, agent86x wrote:
>
>> You were only off by a factor of a thousand.
>
>Where? That is to close to sit back comfortable...
Anybody ever tell you that you're not very bright?
agent86x
wrote:
<snip>
>>>>
>>>> How do you think you get "cubic meters" without a thickness?
>>>
>>>Gravity at work after seeding of the sky?
>>
>> How sad.
>
>Why.. I only stated that I can't estimate the thickness. I can however see
>that the thickness will develop given time by gravity...
But if you could read, you would know that the thickness was assumed
for the calculation.
<snip>
>
>I don't know.. What I do know, that if the chemtrails are bad news. Your ass is on
>the line too...
Somehow I'm not worried. BTW, with that statement, how do you explain
how all the people involved in the "spraying" aren't concerned about
themselves and their families?
agent86x
wrote:
>I see jets all the time here spraying till the sun goes down at least. I
>have sent photos to the Department of Defence. Where do all these jets come
>from. People here have told me that I live in a main air traffic route
>Flight Explorer ( http://www.flightexplorer.com/ ) tends to show very little
>traffic here. Yet the people here insist that they know so much and are so
>right.
How can you tell? Did you subscribe and get a historical plot?
>Why is are little ole town sprayed so often.
It isn't.
>Why is that we are totally
>secluded.
But you actually aren't.
agent86x
wrote:
>Did you know that Einstein was a drop out too?
It's hardly the same. Staying out of school for a year is not the
same as quiting at the 8th grade. See Andrew's post.
agent86x
wrote:
>>You want a list of murderers who were high school drop outs?
>
>LOL! That's a good one!
>
>-Rick-
No comment on the rest of the post?
>> BTW, Einstein graduated high school in 1900, and went on to work for
>> and receive a University degree:
>>
>> http://www.sofitec.lu/misc/einstein.htm
>>
>>
>> "Einstein, who was then 15 years old, withdrew from the schools of
>> Munich. He stayed a year with his parents in Milan ,then left to finish
>> secondary school in Arrau, Switzerland, and entered the Swiss National
>> Polytechnic in Zürich .Again the schools here didn't satisfy Einstein.
>> He often cut classes and used the time to study physics on his own or
>> to play violin. He graduated in 1900 but his professors disliked him
>> and wouldn't recommend him for a position in the University."
>>
>> "In 1905 Einstein received his doctorate from the University of Zürich
>> for a theoretical dissertation on the dimensions of molecules, and he
>> also published three theoretical papers important to the development of
>> 20th-century physics. "
So exactly when did you get your doctorate, Ricky?
Pooh Bear
> In article <9xtL8.188275$xS2.14...@news1.calgary.shaw.ca>,
> -Rick- <washin...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >"Geoff Cashman" <cas...@mayhem.kiva.net> wrote in message
> >news:adlo39$hri$1...@mayhem.kiva.net...
> >> In article <8MpL8.186216$GG6.15...@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>,
> >> -Rick- <washin...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >> >They come straight over our town. A few miles out is well over the water.
> >>
> >> Not that you have any evidence that this is happening, right Richard?
> >
> >My website is full of photos of them going over my house.
>
> How many times do we have to debunk your ridiculous photographs
> before it will sink into your skull that these planes are NOT
> at 3,000, 4,000 or even 5,000 ft altitude? Taking pictures of
> planes at 30,000 ft and declaring them to be spewing chemicals
> is not evidence you fool. Get over yourself.
>
> >> We showed how dozens of planes per day fly over your hamlet in your
> >> in a tizzy because they're flying DIRECTLY over your hamlet?
> >
> >Not according to the radar from Flight Explorer. If I am wrong send me a
> >screen shot.
>
> How many times do we have to go through this Richard? We've proven
> it to you Lord knows how many times and you still don't get it.
> PLANES FLY RIGHT OVER YOUR LITTLE HAMLET ALL THE TIME, DOING WHAT
> COMMERCIAL PLANES DO ALL OVER THE WORLD...FERRY PASSENGERS.
>
> If you can't handle that, MOVE.
>
> >> Come to think of it, if you think the supposed chemtrails are just
> >> *sooooooooooooooo* awful how come you haven't moved? Why do you
> >> stay in a pipsquatnothing town if you think you are being sprayed
> >> with chemicals by the ebilgubmint there? Huh?
> >>
> >
> >Yah just quit working and live on welfare. Sure thing.
>
> Oh like there's no other town in the world that you could
> possible work in? You know, you just might be right.
>
> You'd rather have an income and be sprayed with chemicals
> all the time than live on welfare and be healthier? Give
> it up. You're lying through your teeth as your grinning
> your way to the "I got five billion posts responding to
> me to prove I have meaning in my life" bank.
>
> You don't believe in chemtrails anymore than you believe
> in furry little bunnies on Pluto deciding the fate of
> common house flies in Zimbabwe.
You sure about that ? Pooh
-Rick-
-Rick-
"CJS" <craigsh...@SPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message
news:3CFEB593...@SPAMmindspring.com...
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> -Rick- wrote:
> >
> > Did you know that Einstein was a drop out too?
>
> Can Ricky make a post without creating a logical fallacy?
>
> Cheers...Craig
> http://members.rennlist.com/skiffboy/
> ---
> I'm not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless
> information.
> - Calvin (and Hobbes)
>
> All I want is a warm bed and a kind word and unlimited
> power.
> - Ashleigh Brilliant
>
> I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people
> who annoy me.
> - Fred Allen
>
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-Rick-
"Geoff Cashman" <cas...@mayhem.kiva.net> wrote in message
news:adm1t0$oe2$1...@mayhem.kiva.net...
> In article <9xtL8.188275$xS2.14...@news1.calgary.shaw.ca>,
> -Rick- <washin...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >"Geoff Cashman" <cas...@mayhem.kiva.net> wrote in message
> >news:adlo39$hri$1...@mayhem.kiva.net...
> >> In article <8MpL8.186216$GG6.15...@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>,
> >> -Rick- <washin...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >> >They come straight over our town. A few miles out is well over the
water.
> >>
> >> Not that you have any evidence that this is happening, right Richard?
> >
> >My website is full of photos of them going over my house.
>
> How many times do we have to debunk your ridiculous photographs
> before it will sink into your skull that these planes are NOT
> at 3,000, 4,000 or even 5,000 ft altitude? Taking pictures of
> planes at 30,000 ft and declaring them to be spewing chemicals
> is not evidence you fool. Get over yourself.
>
>
> >> We showed how dozens of planes per day fly over your hamlet in your
> >> in a tizzy because they're flying DIRECTLY over your hamlet?
> >
> >Not according to the radar from Flight Explorer. If I am wrong send me a
> >screen shot.
>
> How many times do we have to go through this Richard? We've proven
> it to you Lord knows how many times and you still don't get it.
> PLANES FLY RIGHT OVER YOUR LITTLE HAMLET ALL THE TIME, DOING WHAT
> COMMERCIAL PLANES DO ALL OVER THE WORLD...FERRY PASSENGERS.
>
> If you can't handle that, MOVE.
>
>
> >> Come to think of it, if you think the supposed chemtrails are just
> >> *sooooooooooooooo* awful how come you haven't moved? Why do you
> >> stay in a pipsquatnothing town if you think you are being sprayed
> >> with chemicals by the ebilgubmint there? Huh?
> >>
> >
> >Yah just quit working and live on welfare. Sure thing.
>
> Oh like there's no other town in the world that you could
> possible work in? You know, you just might be right.
>
> You'd rather have an income and be sprayed with chemicals
> all the time than live on welfare and be healthier? Give
> it up. You're lying through your teeth as your grinning
> your way to the "I got five billion posts responding to
> me to prove I have meaning in my life" bank.
>
> You don't believe in chemtrails anymore than you believe
> in furry little bunnies on Pluto deciding the fate of
> common house flies in Zimbabwe.
>
> -Geoff
>
-Rick-
--
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http://www.geocities.com/canadianchemtrails
"Phil Miller" <phi...@REMOVEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:p44tfucgt1qol14mj...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 15:04:36 GMT, "-Rick-" <washin...@shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >>About 18 months ago I gave him a list of about 40 flights a day which
> >would go within a few miles of his town. It took all of about 15
> >minutes to gather.<
> >
> >They come straight over our town. A few miles out is well over the water.
> >
> >-Rick-
>
> Hey Rick, you must have forgotten this information I posted here in
> August last year;
>
> ============
> Hey, Richard! Have a look at the Canadian Designated Airspace Handbook:
>
> http://aero.nrcan.gc.ca/Pdf/DAH22MAR01.pdf
> It is a bit slow to download. Here are some pertinent bits:
>
> I found that there is a low level airway that passes over Powell River.
> This is it:
>
> >>A16
> >>Comox, BC NDB --- Powell River, BC NDB
> >>Powell River, BC NDB --- Macar, BC Intxn
> >>Macar, BC Intxn --- Nanaimo, BC NDB
> >>Nanaimo, BC NDB --- Active Pass, BC NDB
> >>Active Pass, BC NDB --- Can/USA bdry
>
> The DAH says this about altitude in low level airways:
>
> >>The airspace classification for low level airways and fixed RNAV routes
is:
> >>Class B airspace - Above 12,500.... ASL or at and above the MEA,
whichever is higher
> >>Class E airspace - The airspace extending upwards from 2200.... AGL up
to and including
> >>12,500.... ASL or to below the MEA, whichever is higher.
>
> From the glossary section of the same document:
> >>AGL ...... Above Ground Level
> >>ASL....... Above Sea Level
> >>MEA....... Minimum Enroute Altitude
> >>RNAV...... Area Navigation
>
> So, to be in a designated airway an aircraft would only have to be 2,200
> feet above ground level. Makes me wonder how you decided the aircraft
> pictured on your website are too low to be legal.
>
> And the most amazing discovery!!!!
>
> >>Powell River, BC NDB N49 50'12" W124 30'05"
>
> Powell River is home to an NDB!!!! No wonder you have aircraft flying
> over all the time! There is a navigation aid in your town!
>
> >>NDB....... Non-directional Beacon
>
> Just by the way, there is also a designated acrobatic area in your
> vicinity:
>
> >>CYA116(A) POWELL RIVER, BC
> >>An acrobatic area bounded by a line beginning at 49 59' 00"N 124 15'30"W
> >>to 49 45'10"N 124 10'00"W to 49 44'00"N 124 18'45"W to
> >>49 58'00"N 124 24'30"W to the point of beginning.
> >>Designated Altitude - Surface to 4500....
> >>Time of Designation - Cont daylight
Andrew Carol
<washin...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> He flunked math.
>
> -Rick-
Cite? He forgot more math after a good nights sleep than you have ever
learned.
If your best connection to him is the fact that you think he was a drop
out then you really miss the point.
-- Andy
Pooh Bear
> You had better check the radar mapping of flights.
You reckon ? What, by using that silly website ? You call that radar mapping ?
Here's the document Phil meant to link - his link was out of date.
http://ats.nrcan.gc.ca/Pdf/DAH18apr2002.pdf
> --
> Canadian Chemtrails
> http://www.geocities.com/canadianchemtrails
>
> "Phil Miller" <phi...@REMOVEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:p44tfucgt1qol14mj...@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 15:04:36 GMT, "-Rick-" <washin...@shaw.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >>About 18 months ago I gave him a list of about 40 flights a day which
> > >would go within a few miles of his town. It took all of about 15
> > >minutes to gather.<
> > >
> > >They come straight over our town. A few miles out is well over the water.
> > >
> > >-Rick-
> >
> > Hey Rick, you must have forgotten this information I posted here in
> > August last year;
> >
> > ============
> > Hey, Richard! Have a look at the Canadian Designated Airspace Handbook:
> >
> http://ats.nrcan.gc.ca/Pdf/DAH18apr2002.pdf
Old link replaced by current one
Pooh Bear
Pooh Bear
> The response I got from this group was 20,000 feet.
> -Rick-
What *are* you talking about ?
The response you'll get will be a kick up the arse you top-posting nincompoop !
Pooh Bear.
Hit1Hard
> "Hit1Hard" <Hit.On...@iaehv.nl> wrote in message
> news:pan.2002.06.05.09....@iaehv.nl...
>> On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 01:37:07 -0400, H Pylori wrote:
>>
>> > "Hit1Hard" <Hit.On...@iaehv.nl> wrote in message
>> > news:pan.2002.06.05.04....@iaehv.nl...
>> >> On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 00:56:09 -0400, Arthur Dent wrote: Can you read
>> >> : (240 trillion 279 million, 600 hundred thousand Atoms)? And that
>> >> number is a factor of 1000 of, proven by A86.
>> >
>> > The number of angels that can be balanced on the tip of your pinhead?
>>
>> Whatever Mr Gooding... I do notice a certain trend in this
>> "discussion".. Divertion from subject
>
> Really? What's the subject? Particle sizes?
For the visual impaired, the subject is in the header of a post.... The
particle sizes came around when again (How boring..) the card was played that 0,000055
gr/M^3 was only a EXEEDINGLY TINY amount.. In a form of how could such a
small amount ever be harmfull...
Someone of our local chills want to inhale that "small" amount of
Barium? As an example of how "healthy" it is? Should enable nice lung X-Rays..
> The subject line of the thread references chemtrails. Do you have any
> evidence that there are, in fact,
> any chemtrails?
Why would you care if I have or not? Your mind is made up.. And you seem to lazy to sit in
the yard and watch how a chemfield is made.. I do have an expression for them..
Painting the sky.... allthough they look more like a cat making its marks.
--
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"CJS" <craigsh...@SPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> agent86x wrote:
> >
> > A good explanation of the "chemtrail folly" is at
> >
> > http://www.weatherwise.org/qr/qry.chemtrail.html
>
> water are created. How can that be, since you can neither create nor
> destroy matter? Where's all that extra water coming from, if not spray
> tanks??? Huh, Mr. Smarty-Pants? Who's putting all that extra water in
> the exhaust?
It works out to around a gallon of water from a gallon of fuel. Clearly,
Satan is involved.
By the time you add the other gases, you are getting more exhaust than you
started with in fuel, by volume.
No wonder people with common sense don't trust scientists! They're a bunch
of liars!
As the lady here in Arizona said, when asked why she believed in chemtrails:
Hey, I have eyes, I can see,
and I'm not stupid!
H Pylori
Thanks for asking: Because you haven't. A zillion words later, still
absolutely no evidence that any actual
chemical has ever actually been sprayed. I'm just pointing it out for the
benefit of anyone who just tuned in.
No evidence that anyone anywhere is actually conducting the activity.
Somehow or other, the imagined
dastardly deed is being pulled off all over the world, and yet there is no
evidence or testimony of it
anywhere, by anybody. Without doubt, the best-planned and best-executed
conspiracy in history,
don't you think? Just think of all the people and equipment and money and
activity that is necessary to
support this scheme, all of it hidden and concealed and covered up to
perfection. I tell ya, it just
brings a tear to your eye ..... or is that a reaction to the spraying?????
The whole scientific and medical community must be in on it too. Think of
all the medical exams, xrays,
and blood tests whose results are being faked in order to cover up the
effects of this calamity. Think of all
the air quality samples whose test results are being forged. Even the
mental health providers are
supporting the ruse: They claim that people who think huge plots are being
carried out against them
are mentally ill, thereby discrediting, with one grand sweep, all of the
courageous people who are speaking
up against this outrage!
Pooh Bear
> On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 21:13:33 -0400, agent86x wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 03:05:10 -0400, Hit1Hard <Hit.On...@iaehv.nl>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On Tue, 04 Jun 2002 23:29:49 -0400, agent86x wrote:
> >>
> >>> You were only off by a factor of a thousand.
> >>
> >>Where? That is to close to sit back comfortable...
> >
> > Anybody ever tell you that you're not very bright?
>
> Anyone ever bother to tell you, that one should never base one's selfesteem on the
> opinion of others?
You mean - despite knowing that everyone thinks you're an idiot - you consider that
you know better.
I think we already noticed !
Pooh Bear
H Pylori
"CJS" <craigsh...@SPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message
> X-No-Archive: Yes
Was she? I thought she was the lady who asked if I wanted my palm read ....
and I shot back, hey,
I can handle my own PDA, thanks. I shoulda taken her up on it. I love it
when the ladies pull my
finger .....
Phil Miller
wrote:
>You had better check the radar mapping of flights.
So...The Canadian Designated Airspace Handbook is wrong then?
http://aero.nrcan.gc.ca/Pdf/DAH22MAR01.pdf
Phil Miller
>-Rick- wrote:
>
>> You had better check the radar mapping of flights.
>
>You reckon ? What, by using that silly website ? You call that radar mapping ?
>
>Here's the document Phil meant to link - his link was out of date.
>
> http://ats.nrcan.gc.ca/Pdf/DAH18apr2002.pdf
Oh, thanks. I just cut and pasted last years post. Thanks for the
update.
Phil
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Definitions of a pilot - No. 1
The average pilot, despite the sometimes swaggering exterior,
is very much capable of such feelings as love, affection,
intimacy and caring.
These feelings just don't involve anybody else.
US Navy Times
-Rick-
-Rick-
"Geoff Cashman" <cas...@mayhem.kiva.net> wrote in message
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> In article <lOzL8.189615$xS2.14...@news1.calgary.shaw.ca>,
> -Rick- <washin...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >The response I got from this group was 20,000 feet.
> >-Rick-
>
> Bullshit.
>
> Besides that, you still haven't answered the question
> of why you won't move, except to make the implied
> assertion that you couldn't get a job anywhere else.
>
> If these chemtrails are so damn bad then why don't
> you move Richard? Why? If it's so poisonous that it
> (according to you, without any facts to support you)
> overflows the local hospitals, then surely this is
> *really* *bad* *for* ****YOU**** to you...unless of
> course you've got a nice fat tin foil helment complete
> with the gas mask upgrade, right? Oh but don't forget
> that many chemicals are quite happy to go through your
> skin so I guess that doesn't work either.
>
> Face it...you're a lying sack of shit. You never provide
> any proof. You refuse to move despite having dozens of
> planes going over every day supposedly spewing chemicals
> that result in people going to hospitals...You're lying
> Richard. You're flat out lying every moment you speak
> anything of chemtrails.
>
> -Geoff
>
-Rick-
-Rick-
"Pooh Bear" <nob...@nobody.org> wrote in message
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-Rick-
-Rick-
"Phil Miller" <phi...@REMOVEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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-Rick-
-Rick-
"Geoff Cashman" <cas...@mayhem.kiva.net> wrote in message
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> In article <FPzL8.189617$xS2.14...@news1.calgary.shaw.ca>,
> -Rick- <washin...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >You had better check the radar mapping of flights.
>
> You ignorant top posting freak!
>
> YOU'VE GOT A NAVIGATION AID RIGHT IN YOUR FRIGGIN' TOWN YOU DOLT!
>
> No wonder planes fly over your hamlet...DUH!
>
> -Geoff
-Rick-
straws are we?
-Rick-
"Geoff Cashman" <cas...@mayhem.kiva.net> wrote in message
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> In article <UJpL8.186209$GG6.15...@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>,
> -Rick- <washin...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >I see jets all the time here spraying till the sun goes down at least.
>
> Bullshit.
>
> Last year when the webcam was operating in your little hamlet, I looked
> at it every time I made a posting in response to you. This spanned several
> months, and not ONE time did I see more than a single contrail in the
> picture. Not once. Not a single damn time. You came up with bullshit lies
> like "uh, they're spraying inland today". All kinds of crap were spewed
> by you to try to show how the trails wouldn't be on the camera. You're
> a bullshit liar.
>
>
> >I have sent photos to the Department of Defence.
>
> Bullshit.
>
> If you did, they laughed their asses off at you. Let me guess, you don't
> have a response letter from them, right? Richard, man of no proof.
>
>
> >Where do all these jets come from.
>
> They're called airports you fool. There's a major one less than 100 miles
> from you. There's even a navigation aid right in your friggin' town. Your
> town is under a major air corridor. We've told you this Lord knows how
> many times and you still wonder where the planes come from. Do you still
> wonder how the sun mysteriously rises over the Eastern horizon every
> morning too?
>
>
> >People here have told me that I live in a main air traffic route
> >Flight Explorer ( http://www.flightexplorer.com/ ) tends to show very
little
> >traffic here. Yet the people here insist that they know so much and are
so
> >right.
>
> Because WE HAVE SHOWN YOU THE PROOF. Do you have any idea what an air
> navigation is and how it is used?
>
>
> >Why is are little ole town sprayed so often.
>
> Because you aren't sprayed you dolt! If these supposed chemtrails are
> so awful, how come your "sprayed so often" hamlet is a place you WANT
> to live? What, does it make you high and feel better whereas you claim
> (without proof again I might add) it puts many of your fellow residents
> in the hospital?
>
>
> >Why is that we are totally secluded.
>
> Uh, because you live in a place that has a heavily indented coastline?
> Just maybe that's the reason? Or, you live in a region that is sparsely
> populated? Gosh Richard...I would have thought you would have figured
> this out on your own a long time ago...how long have you lived there?
>
>
> >This is a researchers dream come true having a closed environment
> >to work with. It was mention once on Art Bell that are area is the
heaviest
> >hit area in North America.
>
> ...and I'm sure you have no proof it was ever mentioned on Art Bell,
right?
> Like, date/time of show? Nah, you never provide proof. You just expect
> the world to believe your pile of putrid dingo shit lies.
>
> -Geoff
>
H Pylori
> >Look up fool. They spray all over the world.
No, they are leaving contrails all over the world. Noone has shown that
they are spraying anything.
Contrails have been around in rather common view since WWII, eh?
Piston-powered airplanes
leave them behind, too. Water as a byproduct of combustion, and all that
.....
Pooh Bear
> What am I supposed to find here? The link is dead.
I already posted the new one. Surprise Mr Genius Rick - didn't you notice the
date in the URL ?
http://ats.nrcan.gc.ca/Pdf/DAH18apr2002.pdf
A new comes into force later this month too.
Minor - major even - changes are made to controlled airspace ( the airspace that
scheduled flights use ) from time to time and they are listed in documents such
as the one above. The definitive source for your region.
Pooh.
Pooh Bear
> On Thu, 06 Jun 2002 04:00:43 +0100, Pooh Bear <nob...@nobody.org> wrote:
>
> >-Rick- wrote:
> >
> >> You had better check the radar mapping of flights.
> >
> >You reckon ? What, by using that silly website ? You call that radar mapping ?
> >
> >Here's the document Phil meant to link - his link was out of date.
> >
> > http://ats.nrcan.gc.ca/Pdf/DAH18apr2002.pdf
>
> Oh, thanks. I just cut and pasted last years post. Thanks for the
> update.
YVW.
Pooh aka Graham
Pooh Bear
> Where is your proof?
The main types of navigation aid covered by the licence are as follows:
The Non-directional radio Beacon (NDB) service is used for short and medium
range navigation. When used with automatic direction finder (ADF) equipment in
aircraft the NDB provides a bearing with moderate accuracy. The NDB is used by
larger aircraft over sea or over land routes and is extensively deployed at
general aviation aerodromes where it provides a cost effective and easily
installed facility.
from http://www.caa.co.uk/dap/radio_licensing/default.asp?page=2
Just a link I found in a matter of seconds.
Pooh.
-Rick-
-Rick-
"Geoff Cashman" <cas...@mayhem.kiva.net> wrote in message
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> In article <RkKL8.194598$xS2.15...@news1.calgary.shaw.ca>,
> -Rick- <washin...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >Look up fool. They spray all over the world.
>
> Idiot. You're the one that keeps complaining about them
> concentrating on Powell River you dumbass...even commented
> how Art Bell mentioned it. So, the concentration must be
> higher there according to you...yet you live there.
>
> And if they are spraying all over the world, then they
> are spraying themselves you dumbshit! Good grief!
>
> -Geoff
>
Andrew Carol
<washin...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Sooooooo naive....
>
> -Rick-
Yea, those thousands of crew on those thousands of planes as well as
the people who manufacture, load, and maintain the sprayers, don't mind
at all.
They don't care that their parents, brothers, sisters, wives, and
children all lay under their sprayers day after day.
They probably shrug their shoulders and say, "at least it's a job".
All of them. Every single one.
Good job Rick exposing that huge scam!
--- Andy
-Rick-
Wasn't it you that stated you were in the Air Force. I am sure you are well
aware of how operations run on a need to know basis only. All operations are
compartmentalized so that only those on the top actually know what is going
on. Also there is a thing called the power of National Security Act. All
pilots are hand picked. They may be mercenaries, pilots from Air America,
and Vietnam.
The cover operation can come under the Open Skies Treaty which gives Russian
or Chinese U.N. pilots a crack at the bat. They have no use for Americans.
All in all the pilots are hand picked experts in their field. Also criminals
and those who have troubled pasts are chosen for the flight operations.
Well that is all I wish to say. I do realize this is a cmplete waste of my
valuable time. I am sure the bar dogs will have a big laugh over this. The
world is full of denialists and government spooks.
-Rick-
--
Canadian Chemtrails
http://www.geocities.com/canadianchemtrails
"Andrew Carol" <aaca...@coastside.net> wrote in message
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H Pylori
"-Rick-" <washin...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> These jets are white unmarked military jets and are under military orders.
> Wasn't it you that stated you were in the Air Force. I am sure you are
well
> aware of how operations run on a need to know basis only. All operations
are
> compartmentalized so that only those on the top actually know what is
going
> on. Also there is a thing called the power of National Security Act. All
> pilots are hand picked. They may be mercenaries, pilots from Air America,
> and Vietnam.
Very imaginative. Do you have any evidence that any of this has actually
happened?
> The cover operation can come under the Open Skies Treaty which gives
Russian
> or Chinese U.N. pilots a crack at the bat. They have no use for Americans.
> All in all the pilots are hand picked experts in their field. Also
criminals
> and those who have troubled pasts are chosen for the flight operations.
Very imaginative. Do you have any evidence that any of this has actually
happened?
>
> Well that is all I wish to say. I do realize this is a cmplete waste of my
> valuable time. I am sure the bar dogs will have a big laugh over this.
The laughter is at you, not with you. Lacking any actual evidence that a
thing has happened, you seem
content to rely on the meanderings of your own imagination. That makes you
look like a crazy person,
or a stupid idiot ... or both. Which seems fine with you, so what are you
complaining about?
> The world is full of denialists and government spooks.
It is? Do you have any facts to support this assertion? "The world is full
of ..." is a rather over-the-top
description, isn't it? Based on evidence, it appears to me that the world
is populated with a lot of dumbfucks
and crazy people like you. Which is fine with me, because in a contest of
competancies, the more there are
like you, the better for me.
Andrew Carol
<washin...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> These jets are white unmarked military jets and are under military orders.
> Wasn't it you that stated you were in the Air Force. I am sure you are well
> aware of how operations run on a need to know basis only. All operations are
> compartmentalized so that only those on the top actually know what is going
> on. Also there is a thing called the power of National Security Act. All
> pilots are hand picked. They may be mercenaries, pilots from Air America,
> and Vietnam.
>
> The cover operation can come under the Open Skies Treaty which gives Russian
> or Chinese U.N. pilots a crack at the bat. They have no use for Americans.
> All in all the pilots are hand picked experts in their field. Also criminals
> and those who have troubled pasts are chosen for the flight operations.
You know this how? ESP? One of the pilots, riddled with guilt,
confided in you before he disappeared?
>
> Well that is all I wish to say. I do realize this is a cmplete waste of my
> valuable time. I am sure the bar dogs will have a big laugh over this. The
> world is full of denialists and government spooks.
It also helps when your conspiracy requires thousands of planes that
nobody remembers building, thousands of crews who don't care, and
chemicals which only seem to make people in your little town sick.
--- Andy