*bangs head on keyboard*

Onideus Mad Hatter

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Dec 18, 2008, 1:01:40 AM12/18/08

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Well, I've applied to three different graphic design and/or web
development jobs in the Tri-City area (closest you can get to a "big
city" around here) and all three are interested in hiring me...problem
though...they all pay *LESS* than I make at Wal*Mart! *sigh* Granted
it's not ~significantly~ less, only a dollar or two...but still. So,
the question is, do I keep working at Wal*Mart making more money...or
make less money but do something in my field? Decisions, decisions.
Of course on the one hand even if I stopped working at Wal*Mart I can
always go back to it anytime I liak, so that's kinda nice.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ą x ą
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
-------------
"When I listen to people I don't really listen to what it is they're
saying, so much as what they're saying it for."

"Don't ever fuck with someone who has more creativity than you do."

"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Rev Turd Fredericks

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Dec 18, 2008, 1:10:50 AM12/18/08

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Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> Well, I've applied to three different graphic design and/or web
> development jobs in the Tri-City area (closest you can get to a "big
> city" around here) and all three are interested in hiring me...problem
> though...they all pay *LESS* than I make at Wal*Mart! *sigh* Granted
> it's not ~significantly~ less, only a dollar or two...but still. So,
> the question is, do I keep working at Wal*Mart making more money...or
> make less money but do something in my field? Decisions, decisions.
> Of course on the one hand even if I stopped working at Wal*Mart I can
> always go back to it anytime I liak, so that's kinda nice.
>

Why not do both? Work at Wal-Mart part time a couple days a week or
something. That way, if the graphic design thing doesn't work out, you
can fall back to Wal-Mart.

winged avenger

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Dec 18, 2008, 6:14:46 AM12/18/08

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Onideus Mad Hatter allegedly gouged the following in alt.2600:

> Well, I've applied to three different graphic design and/or web
> development jobs in the Tri-City area (closest you can get to a "big
> city" around here) and all three are interested in hiring me...problem
> though...they all pay *LESS* than I make at Wal*Mart! *sigh* Granted
> it's not ~significantly~ less, only a dollar or two...but still. So,
> the question is, do I keep working at Wal*Mart making more money...or
> make less money but do something in my field? Decisions, decisions.
> Of course on the one hand even if I stopped working at Wal*Mart I can
> always go back to it anytime I liak, so that's kinda nice.
>

Web design outfits come and go, Wal*Mart is forever (for good or bad) so
you're balancing possible job satisfaction/less bucks against very probable
job security/more bucks....Your call (Are you sure the Wal*Mart job is always
gonna be open?).

The Seventh Sign

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Dec 18, 2008, 6:24:26 AM12/18/08

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wal mart paying better than graphic design? man you must be in a small
helltown to be in for web dev work.

Keep the day job but work at the other part time.
You need a better paying job either way.

TSS

Fred Doyle

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Dec 18, 2008, 8:22:06 AM12/18/08

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Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> Well, I've applied to three different graphic design and/or web
> development jobs in the Tri-City area (closest you can get to a "big
> city" around here) and all three are interested in hiring me...problem
> though...they all pay *LESS* than I make at Wal*Mart! *sigh* Granted
> it's not ~significantly~ less, only a dollar or two...but still. So,
> the question is, do I keep working at Wal*Mart making more money...or
> make less money but do something in my field? Decisions, decisions.
> Of course on the one hand even if I stopped working at Wal*Mart I can
> always go back to it anytime I liak, so that's kinda nice.
>

You tell me. Where's your future? Do you have the skills it takes to
KEEP the design job? Do you have the skills to grow within the design
job and get rewarded for that growth? What's your prior job history say
about that and if its negative, do you have the skills to overcome
what's held you back before?

What's the top job in the area at WalMart pay? What's the top jobs in a
design firm in the area pay? How long does it take to get there and
what's the likelihood of your skills, personal and professional,
allowing you to get there? What's a good credentialed and connected
freelancer make per year in your area? What does the owner of a design
firm make per year? Which are you more likely to be satisfied doing in 5
years, in 10 years?

One's certainly more risky than the other and much less certain in the
long run; probably more so than for others, given your work history. Are
you risk averse? Are you change able?

You'll prolly thump your chest on here in response, but not in RL. There
you have to really answer the questions. Have fun.

Fred Doyle

baxter

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Dec 18, 2008, 12:39:38 PM12/18/08

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depends on if he's working working a corporate position or store
position. any retail outlet will always hire back, i'm still on the
payroll for a cvs job i barely remember having 5 years ago (drank
alot). i say go for your field, but then again.... i ALWAYS go for
personal fulfillment over money.

- bax

mimus

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Dec 18, 2008, 12:55:25 PM12/18/08

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Not to mention it looks better on the resume.

And the contacts you make may lead to better things, unless of course you
repulse them all . . . .

--
tinmi...@hotmail.com

smeeter 11 or maybe 12

mp 10

mhm 29x13

"You are either insane or a fool."
"I am a sanitary inspector."

< _Maske: Thaery_

winged avenger

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Dec 18, 2008, 1:24:19 PM12/18/08

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The Seventh Sign allegedly gouged the following in alt.2600:

Supply and demand innit, they'd probably be classing Hatter as someone with
no commercial experience.
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Web_Designer/Salary

fsds...@gmail.com

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Dec 18, 2008, 1:32:13 PM12/18/08

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On Dec 18, 12:01 am, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-
productions.net> wrote:

> So,
> the question is, do I keep working at Wal*Mart making more money...or
> make less money but do something in my field? Decisions, decisions.
> Of course on the one hand even if I stopped working at Wal*Mart I can
> always go back to it anytime I liak, so that's kinda nice.
>

You comment quite often about doing your own art on your own terms.
So, you need to find out:

What sort of arrangement would any of the design companies offer you
regarding the ownership / use of the work? By default, once you
become an employee, you enter a "work for hire" situation -- meaning
they own everything you do while on their time. They don't even have
to allow you to use the stuff in a portfolio if they don't want to.
So make sure you know the terms there.

How willing are you going to be to compromise to the corporate
mentality? Meaning you might not always have the freedom to take on
just the projects that interest you.

Have you considered whether or not dedicating your creativity all day
long to someone else would compromise the "for yourself" stuff you
want to do in your off hours?

I'm not trying to discourage you. Actually, I think that working in
an "official" capacity can actually be a boost to credibility -- as
well as giving a lot of learning opportunities. BUT there are
downsides, particularly for anyone used to doing whatever they want on
their own terms.

-- Robert

Rev Turd Fredericks

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Dec 18, 2008, 2:11:42 PM12/18/08

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I have done that for years (personal fulfillment over money), and find
that I am a happier person for it. It hasn't always been easy, but once
you become personally fulfilled, the money just starts coming :-) I am
now fairly well known in my field of work and have to actually turn down
work because I don't have time (due to the personal fulfillment
requirement), but if I *really* needed the money I could always do the
work.

whoisthat...@hotmail.com

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Dec 18, 2008, 3:57:38 PM12/18/08

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On Dec 18, 1:01 am, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-

productions.net> wrote:
> Well, I've applied to three different graphic design and/or web

I'd love to see the portfolio you presented.

Please share.

Drew

TheGist

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Dec 19, 2008, 12:44:18 AM12/19/08

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whoisthat...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 18, 1:01 am, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-
> productions.net> wrote:

>> Well, I've applied to three different graphic design and/or web
>

> I'd love to see the portfolio you presented.
>
> Please share.

There is no portfolio, no business wants to hire him, this is all
bullshit. He is just trying to save face for the fact that he is a
talentless loser that works at some shit job. There is a 0.0% chance
any of this is true. A professional job that pays less than shit retail
job!?!? No fucking way...this is only possibly true if it is some tiny
little shit shack of idiots designing small town diner menus.

whoisthat...@hotmail.com

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Dec 19, 2008, 7:32:45 AM12/19/08

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On Dec 19, 12:44 am, TheGist <theg...@nospam.net> wrote:

You think?

Drew

PerfectReign

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Dec 19, 2008, 9:14:14 AM12/19/08

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I was just gonna say that.

I was interviewing a kid yesterday. I am actually planning on offering him a
position. He works at a armored car company as a contract programmer and at
Disneyland on the weekends as a musician. He's been at Disney since high
school and hasn't given it up, so that he can retain benefits and
stability.

In fact, I remember running into an old high school friend at Disneyland a
year or so back. She was working in film/TV as a set designer and Disney
for - you guessed it - the benefits. She had been at Disney for 15 years
already and was a part-time supervisor.

--
www.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org

Clean out a corner of your mind and creativity will instantly fill it. - Dee
Hock

Onideus Mad Hatter

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Dec 19, 2008, 4:07:23 PM12/19/08

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On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:44:18 -0500, TheGist <the...@nospam.net>
wrote:

LOL, oh pissy, you certainly are butthurt this holiday season. What's
the matter, all alone and angry? *snicker*

whoisthat...@hotmail.com

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Dec 19, 2008, 7:12:32 PM12/19/08

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On Dec 19, 4:07 pm, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-
productions.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:44:18 -0500, TheGist <theg...@nospam.net>
> wrote:

>
> >whoisthatmasked...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > On Dec 18, 1:01 am, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-
> > > productions.net> wrote:
> > >> Well, I've applied to three different graphic design and/or web
>
> > > I'd love to see the portfolio you presented.
>
> > > Please share.
> >There is no portfolio, no business wants to hire him, this is all
> >bullshit. He is just trying to save face for the fact that he is a
> >talentless loser that works at some shit job. There is a 0.0% chance
> >any of this is true. A professional job that pays less than shit retail
> >job!?!? No fucking way...this is only possibly true if it is some tiny
> >little shit shack of idiots designing small town diner menus.
>
> LOL, oh pissy, you certainly are butthurt this holiday season. What's
> the matter, all alone and angry? *snicker*

Hey Sophomore, show us your portfolio that puts you in demand for
minimum wage.

Drew

TheGist

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Dec 20, 2008, 4:35:03 AM12/20/08

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Ha!
The self-ownage from Hideous Sad Fatter is almost too painful to look at
sometimes!

Onideus Mad Hatter

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Dec 20, 2008, 4:37:47 AM12/20/08

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On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:12:32 -0800 (PST),
whoisthat...@hotmail.com wrote:

>> LOL, oh pissy, you certainly are butthurt this holiday season. What's
>> the matter, all alone and angry? *snicker*

>He<COCK SLAP>

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹

Onideus Mad Hatter

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Dec 20, 2008, 4:39:13 AM12/20/08

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On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 04:35:03 -0500, TheGist <the...@nospam.net>
wrote:

>Ha!
>The self-owna<COCK SLAP>

Poor Pissy, all that terrible butt hurt. Don't worry, I called a
WAAAAAmbulance for you.

whoisthat...@hotmail.com

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Dec 20, 2008, 6:54:26 AM12/20/08

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On Dec 20, 4:39 am, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-
productions.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 04:35:03 -0500, TheGist <theg...@nospam.net>

> wrote:
>
> >Ha!
> >The self-owna<COCK SLAP>
>
> Poor Pissy, all that terrible butt hurt. Don't worry, I called a
> WAAAAAmbulance for you.

What's the matter Matthew Moulton, feeling all inadequate and
delusional this holiday season?

Drew

Onideus Mad Hatter

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Dec 20, 2008, 11:04:34 AM12/20/08

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On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:54:26 -0800 (PST),
whoisthat...@hotmail.com wrote:

>On Dec 20, 4:39 am, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-
>productions.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 04:35:03 -0500, TheGist <theg...@nospam.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Ha!
>> >The self-owna<COCK SLAP>
>>
>> Poor Pissy, all that terrible butt hurt. Don't worry, I called a
>> WAAAAAmbulance for you.
>

>Wh<COCK SLAP>

Hey Drew, why is it that your face is always all up into Pissy's
filthy little asshole here lately? I mean, okay, he's pathetic and
obviously he hasn't the balls to stand up for himself without breaking
out into tears and crying for your butt secks, but honestly, he could
do a *LOT* better than you, Fanboi. So, given that, why don't you
just save him, and yourself, the embarrassment and, hey, SHUT THE FUCK
UP! Woah! Amazing how ~that~ works. And in the mean time you can
sit quietly like a good little asspie and wait for someone with moar
talent than you to come along and try to defend your boyfriends honor.

whoisthat...@hotmail.com

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Dec 20, 2008, 2:23:42 PM12/20/08

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I'm still waiting. But don't worry, I'm not holding my breath.

Drew

whoisthat...@hotmail.com

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Dec 20, 2008, 7:47:33 PM12/20/08

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On Dec 18, 1:01 am, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-
productions.net> wrote:

> Well, I've applied to three different graphic design and/or web
> development jobs in the Tri-City area (closest you can get to a "big
> city" around here) and all three are interested in hiring me...problem
> though...they all pay *LESS* than I make at Wal*Mart! *sigh* Granted
> it's not ~significantly~ less, only a dollar or two...but still. So,
> the question is, do I keep working at Wal*Mart making more money...or
> make less money but do something in my field? Decisions, decisions.
> Of course on the one hand even if I stopped working at Wal*Mart I can
> always go back to it anytime I liak, so that's kinda nice.

Matthew Moulton's a fraud.

Drew

Rev Turd Fredericks

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Dec 20, 2008, 11:38:08 PM12/20/08

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Why do you say that?

Onideus Mad Hatter

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Dec 21, 2008, 6:45:43 PM12/21/08

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Because he's a Hatter Addict whose all bitter and frothy and blames me
for "destroying" his froup (ADG). Apparently I somehow ~*magically*~
made all the regs run crying home to mommy and only him and Pissy
(TheGist) were left. As such they hold quite the grudge and have
devoted all their time on Usenet to frothing on about me, looking for
any possible angle they can find to try and say something mean and
nasty to me, with the ever failing hope that it's somehow going to
"get back" at me. Unfortunately for them they just haven't got a
fuckin cl00 and haven't realized that their little friends retarded on
back to Webbie land so they could have a moderator to babysit their
Internet experience. They would be better off if they realized that
they don't belong here, like their moar intelligent friends did, and
simply logged the fuck off Usenet. Instead they just keep trying and
trying and trying to "get back" at dat mean 'ol Mad Hatter, never
comprehending that a true Netter will never be able to do anything but
laugh at their spastic little fit throwing attempts at virtual
retribution. They simply cannot grasp the fact that they're Webtards
trying to fit into a Netter world.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm น x น

whoisthat...@hotmail.com

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Dec 21, 2008, 11:36:16 PM12/21/08

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On Dec 20, 11:38 pm, Rev Turd Fredericks <turdfr...@catholic.org>
wrote:

The facts.

Drew

Rev Turd Fredericks

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Dec 22, 2008, 12:00:07 AM12/22/08

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You know, you don't just call somebody a fraud without providing those,
and you have not done so. I'm not a big fan of hatter, but unless you
provide facts, you are just farting in the wind. Whether I like the guy
or not, you can't just shit out an insult like that without proving it
being true. It seems to me, you are just simply a wimp who can't measure
up to him.

Cliff MacGillivray

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Dec 22, 2008, 7:50:46 AM12/22/08

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*crickets*

whoisthat...@hotmail.com

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Dec 22, 2008, 8:54:23 AM12/22/08

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On Dec 22, 12:00 am, Rev Turd Fredericks <turdfr...@catholic.org>

wrote:
> whoisthatmasked...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Dec 20, 11:38 pm, Rev Turd Fredericks <turdfr...@catholic.org>
> > wrote:
> >> whoisthatmasked...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Dec 18, 1:01 am, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-
> >>> productions.net> wrote:
> >>>> Well, I've applied to three different graphic design and/or web
> >>>> development jobs in the Tri-City area (closest you can get to a "big
> >>>> city" around here) and all three are interested in hiring me...problem
> >>>> though...they all pay *LESS* than I make at Wal*Mart! *sigh* Granted
> >>>> it's not ~significantly~ less, only a dollar or two...but still. So,
> >>>> the question is, do I keep working at Wal*Mart making more money...or
> >>>> make less money but do something in my field? Decisions, decisions.
> >>>> Of course on the one hand even if I stopped working at Wal*Mart I can
> >>>> always go back to it anytime I liak, so that's kinda nice.
> >>> Matthew Moulton's a fraud.
> >>> Drew
> >> Why do you say that?
>
> > The facts.
>
> > Drew
>
> You know, you don't just call somebody a fraud without providing those,
> and you have not done so. I'm not a big fan of hatter, but unless you
> provide facts, you are just farting in the wind.

Gladly, sir.

Let's start with this thread. Matthew Moulton claims to have had 3
interviews for graphic design positions. Yet when twice asked to
provide a glimpse of his portfolio we hear crickets chirp. Not even a
<cockslap>. Try walking into an interview for graphic design without a
portfolio and you'll be shown the door. In the past when asked to back
up his boasts with a portfolio we got nothing but lame excuses. All he
has to hang his hat on is this file: http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/GD-Batman.png
That's closer to illustration than graphic design. He doesn't know how
to kern his letterforms, doesn't know the difference between
typesetting and typography, and claims that not only does he have "God
level skills" in the field, but file compression and coding is what
design is all about.

He has claimed to know all about photography, but has argued that
digital cameras can not be SLRs.

He has claimed that he employs a copy editor, yet his examples of such
are so full of gramatical and punctuation errors that a high school
sophomore could do better.

He claims to be writing a book on graphic design, based on one bit of
advice concerning coding he gave in ADG.

Claims to be in contact with the parent company of Care Bears and is
in negotiations to produce a full length film. Please, do you really
think a brand like that would entrust itself with a producer of http:/
backwater-productions.net?

So yes sir, I contend he's a fraud. Those at ADG have proven it time
and time again.

Drew

Fred Doyle

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Dec 22, 2008, 10:23:20 AM12/22/08

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I can't believe you really need this stuff to believe Matt flushes out
more shit than a DQ bathroom. Here's a few more from just within the
last couple of weeks, all posted in these groups.

Matt's going to "rip apart the lives of jurors in ways they can never
imagine" in the MySpace cyber-bullying case cuz he didn't like their
verdict. Did he do anything at all? Ah yes, he contacted the lawyers in
the case who told him they couldn't give him the names but told him how
he could get them from court records. AND said they might like to use
him as a witness in an appeal , knowing he was going to to "rip apart
the lives of jurors"!!! Surrrrrreeeee. I believe that. That would sure
help their case. Can you imagine that? Matt testifying on the side of
someone convicted of cyber-bullying. Wouldn't any lawyer like to get him
on the stand and cross examine him about his posts?

He's going to write my customers and do some spec work to show them how
much better he can do than me, and then post it here for us to see. He
didn't.

All of Matt's many, world-class clients "customers" won't let him even
mention that he did work for them, an unheard of circumstance in our
industry. Freelancers rely on this ability and there are fair use rights
that allow it, as long as you don't mislead people about what you did no
the project. Ahhhh, there's the rub.

C'mon pay attention. Do you really need this stuff reiterated for you?

Fred Doyle

Onideus Mad Hatter

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Dec 22, 2008, 1:12:34 PM12/22/08

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On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 05:54:23 -0800 (PST),
whoisthat...@hotmail.com wrote:

>Gladly, sir.

Mmmm, this will be fun to rip all apart.

>Let's start with this thread. Matthew Moulton claims to have had 3
>interviews for graphic design positions. Yet when twice asked to
>provide a glimpse of his portfolio we hear crickets chirp. Not even a
><cockslap>. Try walking into an interview for graphic design without a
>portfolio and you'll be shown the door.

Oh, ding, ding, ding, FALLACY!

Man, yer so fuckin stupid you couldn't even manage to come up with one
single *REAL* fact, so you instantly retard off into fallacy land.
Here's an ~*amazing*~ concept for you, Dipshit...just because *YOU*
can't see something (or aren't allowed to) doesn't mean it doesn't
exist you whiney little poser class fuckup. And it most certainly
does *NOT* constitute a "fact" in *ANY* sense of the word. Obviously,
if you think it does, you need to go on back to high school and work
some shit out, Downs.

>In the past when asked to back
>up his boasts with a portfolio we got nothing but lame excuses.

Complete bullshit, I've posted quite literarily dozens of different
examples, some straight out of my portfolio, of course a fuckup Hatter
Addict liak you can simply conveniently ignore them for the benefit of
your delusions.

>All he has to hang his hat on is this file: http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/GD-Batman.png
>That's closer to illustration than graphic design.

At this point Drew only has two options...one, pretend it doesn't
exist. Two...throw a tantrum and flail about random accusations,
screaming on that I magically ~*stole*~ all of the work up there even
though he doesn't actually have any proof what so ever because he just
pulled it out of his butthurt little ass.

And here's the best part...all that work up there...hardly any of that
is even *IN* my portfolio. LOL, I actually have a whole shit load of
work that's never been shown to anyone on Usenet (for obvious reasons)
that is of course right on par with all the other work I've done up
there (some even moar impressive).

>He doesn't know how
>to kern his letterforms, doesn't know the difference between
>typesetting and typography,

This from the idiot who doesn't know how to properly antialias fonts:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/OUCH_I_FUCKIN_CUT_MYSELF_ON_DREW%27S_STUPIDITY.png

Seriously Drew, could your amateur hour ass *POSSIBLY* get those lines
any moar jagged? LOL And the only "kerning" issues you've ever been
able to stand on were a couple of minute, pixel level alignments with
my Backwater logo...except then you got rightly bitch slapped that the
logo was purposefully deformed to make it look like it was being seen
underwater, with some areas of the text bulging out and some inward.
*THAT* is what created the "kerning issues" which you started
molesting up the ass for lack of any better of a critique. You failed
miserably of course since you didn't even have enough sense to
recognize that it was apart of the sites design/style. If you were a
*REAL* graphic artist you *SHOULD* have been able to see that. Also,
if you were a *REAL* graphic designer you would know that every
graphics proggie on the planet AUTO KERNS, so really, there's not any
way *TO* mess up the kerning unless you just went in and did it
manually for some specific stylistic reason. Only a fumbling idiot
who has never touched a graphics proggie in his life would think that
you had to MANUALLY KERN EVERY LETTER IN THE FONT...yes Drew, you
really are *THAT* fuckin retarded.

>and claims that not only does he have "God
>level skills" in the field,

More hysterical, fit throwing lies from Drew. I never claimed to be a
"God level" anything, the most I ever claimed was to have invented a
web coding form which I call "God level" not to imply perfection, but
to imply creationism, since the site form is all about having just one
site that could adapt and interact with the user, changing it's own
content around rather than simply redirecting the user to another
page. Essentially a kind of "smart site" or a "living site". It
certainly does *NOT* mean "perfection" in any sense of the word, after
all, if God were perfect he wouldn't have created retards liak Drew.

>but file compression and coding is what design is all about.

In a digital environment design is *NOTHING* without code, you
bumbling fuckin retard. If you can't even grasp that fundamental
concept you're certainly no graphic designer, at least not one who
deals with any sort of technology. Every tool, every brush, every
filter, every effect, every program, it's *ALL CODE* you chromosomal
deficient. Tha fuck, sometimes Drew is just so completely fuckin
stupid you almost have to just stop and try and figure out how it is
he's even managing to type and breath at the same time.

>He has claimed to know all about photography, but has argued that
>digital cameras can not be SLRs.

More bullshit lies taken out of contest, twisted and put into
convenient little strawmen.

>He has claimed that he employs a copy editor, yet his examples of such
>are so full of gramatical and punctuation errors that a high school
>sophomore could do better.

For those that missed that debacle Drew and a couple other idiots, who
ARE NOT English majors attempted to go through a text that I had
professionally copy edited...they came up with like TWO "errors"...or
so they claimed they were...that was until I started x-posting into
various English froups and the regs soundly bitch slapped Drew right
across his idiot face because the drooling moron couldn't even figure
out what the fuck a semi-colon was.

>He claims to be writing a book on graphic design, based on one bit of
>advice concerning coding he gave in ADG.

I'm working on several books actually in my spare time, on a variety
of subjects and I've been told by numerous people that they would most
certainly purchase any technical based book I write. Here's one such
example:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.design.graphics/msg/460b86866553263b

: BTW, I thought I should mention that your explanation of Div layers is
: the best (and easiest to understand) that I've come across. I have
: about 3-4 (?) books on CSS, countless tutorials, mag articles,
: etc. And not a single frigging one explained it as well as you just did.
:
: When are you going to stop *talking* about it and *write* a frigging
: book?? I can't believe that I'm the only one who needs this kind of
: direction - if you're not going to think about the moolah, think about
: the number of designers cum web designers out there suffering
: needlessly! Even if you don't feel like dealing with publishers, you
: could do an e-Book and sell it on your web site . . . just a thought.

Drew of course has *NEVER* had *ANYONE* tell him that he should write
any sort of book nor has he *EVERY* had *ANYONE* thank him for sharing
his knowledge and expertise...mostly because he *HAS NONE*! LOL

>Claims to be in contact with the parent company of Care Bears and is
>in negotiations to produce a full length film.

I most certainly am, Drewster. Of course as we've already covered, in
Drew's screwed up little world logistical FALLACIES somehow count as
"facts". By Drew's own logic he's the dumbest fucking retard on the
planet simply because he has yet to prove otherwise. The absence of
evidence is not evidence.

Here, let's humiliate Drew some moar:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html

He's committing a series of "burden of proof" fallacies which state:

: 1. Claim X is presented by side A and the burden of proof actually rests on side B.
: 2. Side B claims that X is false because there is no proof for X.

Drew also enjoys committing "circumstantial ad hominems" whenever he
can, which state:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/circumstantial-ad-hominem.html

: 1. Person A makes claim X.
: 2. Person B makes an attack on A's circumstances.
: 3. Therefore X is false.

He often uses my job at Wal*Mart to try and pull off this fallacy.

His post here can also be classified as an "appeal to spite" fallacy
which follows the form:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-spite.html

: 1. Claim X is presented with the intent of generating spite.
: 2. Therefore claim C is false (or true)

In that all his "arguments" are attempts to paint me up as some kind
of nefarious liar or evil nasty person, which of course means that
*ANYTHING* I've ever said simply cannot be trusted and is
automatically false...at least in Drew's little world of stupid.

And of course in line with all of that he's also keen on "ad hominems"
and "ad hominem tu quoque" which state:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html

: 1. Person A makes claim X.
: 2. Person B makes an attack on person A.
: 3. Therefore A's claim is false.

Again using Wal*Mart as the primary example, Drew just ~loves~ to make
personal attacks based on where I work and tries to use my
circumstances as a means of justifying his false claims regarding my
range and level of skill. Poisoning the well, strawmen, and personal
attack fallacies also fall in line with these ad hominems that Drew
liaks to crutch around on when he has nothing to stand on.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem-tu-quoque.html

: 1. Person A makes claim X.
: 2. Person B asserts that A's actions or past claims are inconsistent with the truth of claim X.
: 3. Therefore X is false.

In that form Drew often liaks to selectively take bits of my trolling
endeavors and tries, rather stupidly, to apply them to every single
thing I've ever said. In Drew's screwed up little world if anyone
ever tell a lie in satire it automatically means that anything and
everything they say in the future will also be a lie.

>Please, do you really
>think a brand like that would entrust itself with a producer of http:/
>backwater-productions.net?

And yet there have even been people in ADG who outright hired me to do
work for them:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/In_Progress_4.png

Despite all your frothing, screaming, fit throwing, fallacy fucking
and finger pointing. Of course, it's no surprise that *NO ONE* has
*EVER* outright asked Drew for any help in ADG, much less has anyone
in ADG ever hired him on for a job.

>So yes sir, I contend he's a fraud. Those at ADG have proven it time
>and time again.

Those in ADG being...who? You and Pissy?

The true facts of the matter is that you've been bitch slapped in so
many different directions you can't even tell where the fuck you're at
any more Drew. You're so blinded by horrible butthurt and rage that
you can't even think straight anymore. And a large part of that is
the fact that you've become a bitter and dejected little fuckup who
simply cannot contend in the digital age. You're a dinosaur, Drew.
You died out, your "profession" as you once knew it no longer exists
and if you weren't old and retired you would find out very quickly
that you wouldn't be able to get a graphic design position even if you
were giving out blow jobs and working for free. You don't understand
any of this technology, you don't know how it works, you don't know
how to use it, all of your skills that you spent so many years
learning are all, now, effectively worthless. And in the time it took
you to get comfortable and turn a blind eye to the technological
revolution, thinking it was just some fad, some young kid liak me has
come along and in less than five years completely surpassed every
facet of antediluvian design knowledge you had. At this point you
couldn't even dream of breathing on my level, much less contending
against my level of skill and expertise. And of course there's proof
of that:

Yours:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/Word_To_Drew%27s_Mom.png

Mine:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/I_Fuck_Drew%27s_Mom_-_01.png

You're so completely devoid of talent and creativity that the best you
could come up with was raping a "safe palette" and presenting an
incoherent jumble of shit. WRD in the OOOOHHH...yeah that's brilliant
Drew, just what the fuck is that supposed to represent exactly? Your
senility perhaps? Your ever failing grade school education after you
flunked out in the 4th grade? Come on Drew, step it the fuck up and
try to defend that garish piece of shit you attempted to call art.
Just ~TRY~ and explain some meaningful level of symbolism and logic
out of that misspelled Clown raped shit smear. You lose,
fuckwit...and it makes you *SO* angry and pissed off at me, doesn't
it? But think about this Drew...in all the time you're spending and
have spent obsessing over me and trying to tear me down to your
level...you could have been attempting to actually IMPROVE
yourself...but then again you probably recognize the fact that you're
just an old has-been (or never-was) and that even if you tried to get
on track at this point you would simply fail as you've failed through
your whole fucking life. Be angry. Be bitter. And don't *EVER* stop
obsessing over me and my artistic pursuits, you stupid fuckin Hatter
Addict. You're eventually going to *DIE* having wasted most of your
twilight years trying to "get back" at some young kid who pissed all
over your lack of talent and then bitch slapped it across your stupid,
ugly face. You're not simply a never-was, you're a never-will-be at
that, you grouchy little ass faced fuckup.

whoisthat...@hotmail.com

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On Dec 22, 1:12 pm, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-

productions.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 05:54:23 -0800 (PST),
>

>
> At this point Drew only has two options...one, pretend it doesn't
> exist. Two...throw a tantrum and flail about random accusations,
> screaming on that I magically ~*stole*~ all of the work up there even
> though he doesn't actually have any proof what so ever because he just
> pulled it out of his butthurt little ass.

You're kidding me, right? Not one lick of that meets a professional
design standard. Thanks for the laugh, though.

fraud: 3 a person who deceives or is not what he pretends to be;
impostor; cheat

Drew

Onideus Mad Hatter

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On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:45:36 -0800 (PST),
whoisthat...@hotmail.com wrote:

>You're kidding me, right? Not one lick of that meets a professional
>design standard. Thanks for the laugh, though.
>
>fraud: 3 a person who deceives or is not what he pretends to be;
>impostor; cheat

LOL, looks liak Drew started crying his eyes out not even a fifth of
the way through the post and had to delete out all the rest because
even just looking at it strikes his BAAAAAWWW nerve and makes him rage
and blubber liak an infantile version of Bill O'Reilly on Faux News.

The poor little fuckup was beaten so soundly he couldn't even come up
with ONE single coherent critique of anything I posted, instead
resorting to, yup, that's right folks, yet *ANOTHER* fallacy!

This time a text book example of an "appeal to ridicule" fallacy which
follows the form of:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-ridicule.html

: 1. X, which is some form of ridicule is presented (typically directed at the claim).
: 2. Therefore claim C is false.

This is one example given:

: "Sure my worthy opponent claims that we should lower tuition, but that is just laughable."

LOL, it's nearly identical to what Drewster posted (sans the worthy
opponent bit). Drew is *FAR* too butthurt to ever say anything liak
that. Tell us Drew, which fallacy are you going to rape up the ass in
your next post? Or maybe it's time you just wizened up and went back
under your little rock to hide in stupidity? Your choice of course,
although I'm hoping you'll continue to be too stupid to realize how
humiliated you are so I can continue to milk you for moar lulz my
little LOLCow.

PerfectReign

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Dec 22, 2008, 2:45:28 PM12/22/08

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Rev Turd Fredericks turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:

>>>> Matthew Moulton's a fraud.
>>>> Drew
>>> Why do you say that?
>>
>> The facts.
>>
>> Drew
> You know, you don't just call somebody a fraud without providing those,
> and you have not done so. I'm not a big fan of hatter, but unless you
> provide facts, you are just farting in the wind. Whether I like the guy
> or not, you can't just shit out an insult like that without proving it
> being true. It seems to me, you are just simply a wimp who can't measure
> up to him.

Man!

I just looked outside my office window. (I'm on the sixth floor.)

I could swear I just saw a cow fly by...

Adam H

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On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 06:50:46 -0600, Cliff MacGillivray wrote
(in article <73cf5$494f8d27$d064c2bd$29...@news.eurofeeds.com>):

India is calling you my son. One dumpster, and furniture for dumpster will
be provisioned.

whoisthat...@hotmail.com

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Dec 22, 2008, 5:49:01 PM12/22/08

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On Dec 22, 2:37 pm, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-

productions.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:45:36 -0800 (PST),
>

> whoisthatmasked...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >You're kidding me, right? Not one lick of that meets a professional
> >design standard. Thanks for the laugh, though.
>
> >fraud: 3 a person who deceives or is not what he pretends to be;
> >impostor; cheat
>
> LOL, looks liak Drew started crying his eyes out not even a fifth of
> the way through the post and had to delete out all the rest because
> even just looking at it strikes his

Yep. I was laughing so hard my sides hurt and my eyes teared up. Way
to busy to read your excuses.

>
> The poor little fuckup was beaten so soundly he couldn't even come up
> with ONE single coherent critique of anything I posted,

Deadlines. But since you asked and I need a break:

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/Easy_Ambigram.png

And this is coherent to who. Where's the market?

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/14_Days/4-21-2007_-_Dreamat...

Looks like doodles in the margin of your algebra notes.

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/14_Days/4-23-2007_-_Global_...

You're kidding me right? You've taken an image, duped it, flopped it
and put text over it. Won't sell.

All of these are a joke. Your choice of typefaces should be ridiculed
by all with even an ounce of design sense. And don't get me started on
the kerning. No design here whatsoever.

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/14_Days/4-20-2007_-_Photo_T...

No design here. Photoshop 101 at its finest.

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/14_Days/Box_Thinker.png

Original concept? Nothing but art you've downloaded and pieced
together. Choice of font is pathetic. Just because it has boxy form
doesn't mean it should be used.

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/Business_Card.png

I've already critiqued this. That would get you a C in an industrial
arts class. Totally unimaginative with poor type placement that's too
close to the trim. Need an 1/8 of an inch.

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/Animated_Print_Test_1.png

Holy shit. Where's the design here?

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/Animated_Print_Test_2.png

See above.

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/In_Progress_4.png

Already critiqued. No need to drag up this dead horse.

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/Repaired_Images/Amy_-_Origi...
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/Repaired_Images/Amy_-_Fixed...

Where's the design here. Moving pixels is not graphic design. When are
you going to learn that?

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/Safe_Link_Logo_Idea_1.png

Now you've finally gotten to some graphic design. Has potential.

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/Safe_Link_Logo_Idea_2.png
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/Safe_Link_Logo_Idea_3.png

You should've stopped at #1. Going downhill.

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/Techniques/Lightning.png

No graphic design here.

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/candy_5.png

Clever use of filters. Work on your kerning!

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Usenet/Graphic_Design_-...

Slowly step away from the filters. You can do it. Go cold turkey.

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Usenet/Graphical_Revers...

And what have you accomplished here? That can't even pass for a study.

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Usenet/Web_Design_-_Gra...
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Usenet/Web_Design_-_Ori...

I've got to stop here. Too much fun, but I have work to do. In all
these just one example of graphic design. One.

http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=graphic%20design

S: (n) graphic design (visual communication by a skillful combination
of text and pictures in advertisements, magazines, books, etc.)

Note the word "skillful".

Only once here have I seen this criteria met in the examples thus far.

Drew

Rev Turd Fredericks

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Dec 22, 2008, 6:31:10 PM12/22/08

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I really don't care, it's not like I read every post he makes, not like
some people. Like I said, I'm not a big fan.

whoisthat...@hotmail.com

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Dec 22, 2008, 7:52:11 PM12/22/08

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On Dec 22, 12:00 am, Rev Turd Fredericks <turdfr...@catholic.org>
wrote:

> It seems to me, you are just simply a wimp who can't
> measure up to him.

During my "rush to judgement" I neglected to address this valid point
of yours. My body of work can be found at http://pattersondesign.com.
You're free to be the judge as to how that measures up.

Drew

Fred Doyle

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Dec 22, 2008, 7:55:42 PM12/22/08

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Ok. I can understand that. If the facts about Matt being a fraud are
readily available, obvious, and easy to find, however, I'd think it
wasn't necessary that Drew provide them, yet again.

Of course, it probably was unnecessary to restate that he is a fraud,
too. It doesn't add much to anyone's knowledge, restating what is easy
to determine from Matt's posts. Just my opinion.

Fred Doyle

Rev Turd Fredericks

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Dec 22, 2008, 11:20:16 PM12/22/08

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For some reason the link didn't work.

PerfectReign

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Dec 23, 2008, 12:39:06 AM12/23/08

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whoisthat...@hotmail.com turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:

>> It seems to me, you are just simply a wimp who can't
>> measure up to him.
>
> During my "rush to judgement" I neglected to address this valid point
> of yours. My body of work can be found at http://pattersondesign.com.
> You're free to be the judge as to how that measures up.

Address Not Found

Firefox can't find the server at www.pattersondesign.com.

kai@xwing:~> whois pattersondesign.com

Whois Server Version 2.0

Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

Domain Name: PATTERSONDESIGN.COM
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com
Name Server: NS1.WILCOXTRAVEL.COM
Name Server: NS2.WILCOXTRAVEL.COM
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Updated Date: 02-oct-2008
Creation Date: 25-sep-2001
Expiration Date: 25-sep-2011

Onideus Mad Hatter

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Dec 23, 2008, 9:06:26 AM12/23/08

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I think his site got shut down because he was ripping off other
people's material and got caught. His site, when it was up, was
nothing but the most generic looking web template garbage. He didn't
even have a single original design anywhere on the site. How do I
know that for a fact? Because at one point, when Drew first brought
up the site and I noticed all the template bullshit, I challenged him
to provide even ONE of his PSD or PSP source files, which would prove
that the site designs were actually his...he couldn't even provide one
and ran away from the topic and ignored it just as quickly as he
could. Where as I on the other hand frequently share my source
material with others:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Scraps/Graphic_Design_-_White_Boxes.psp

whoisthat...@hotmail.com

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Dec 23, 2008, 11:10:49 AM12/23/08

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On Dec 22, 11:20 pm, Rev Turd Fredericks <turdfr...@catholic.org>
wrote:

> whoisthatmasked...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Dec 22, 12:00 am, Rev Turd Fredericks <turdfr...@catholic.org>
> > wrote:
>
> >> It seems to me, you are just simply a wimp who can't
> >> measure up to him.
>
> > During my "rush to judgement" I neglected to address this valid point

> > of yours. My body of work can be found athttp://pattersondesign.com.

> > You're free to be the judge as to how that measures up.
>
> > Drew
>
> For some reason the link didn't work.

Seems my server had "up stream" issues, whatever that means. Please
try that again. http://pattersondesign.com

This past year I did my own taxes, changed my oil and fixed a toilet.
Going out in public and promoting my self as a CPA, auto mechanic or
plumber would be fraudulent.

Drew

Onideus Mad Hatter

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Dec 23, 2008, 11:19:41 AM12/23/08

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LOL, fuckup can't even manage to keep his cookie cutter bullshit up
online. His site was down for over TWENTY FOUR HOURS! (and likely
even longer than that). Is that *REALLY* the kind of person you would
want to be making/hosting your website? I mean he just point blank
admitted that he doesn't even understand what was wrong and why his
site went down...hell the fuckin retard probably knows more about
fixing toilets than he knows about making and running websites. LOL

whoisthat...@hotmail.com

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Dec 23, 2008, 11:38:29 AM12/23/08

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On Dec 23, 9:06 am, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-

productions.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:20:16 -0800, Rev Turd Fredericks
>

> <turdfr...@catholic.org> wrote:

> >whoisthatmasked...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> On Dec 22, 12:00 am, Rev Turd Fredericks <turdfr...@catholic.org>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> It seems to me, you are just simply a wimp who can't
> >>> measure up to him.
>
> >> During my "rush to judgement" I neglected to address this valid point

> >> of yours. My body of work can be found athttp://pattersondesign.com.

> >> You're free to be the judge as to how that measures up.
>
> >> Drew
> >For some reason the link didn't work.
>
> I think his site got shut down because he was ripping off other
> people's material and got caught. His site, when it was up, was
> nothing but the most generic looking web template garbage. He didn't
> even have a single original design anywhere on the site. How do I
> know that for a fact? Because at one point, when Drew first brought
> up the site and I noticed all the template bullshit, I challenged him
> to provide even ONE of his PSD or PSP source files, which would prove
> that the site designs were actually his...he couldn't even provide one
> and ran away from the topic and ignored it just as quickly as he
> could. Where as I on the other hand frequently share my source

> material with others:http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Scraps/Graphic_Design_-...

Don't recall that challenge, but just for you:
http://pattersondesign.com/formatthewmoulton.html

Need anything else?

whoisthat...@hotmail.com

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Dec 23, 2008, 11:54:43 AM12/23/08

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Got some time to kill before lunch. Time for some more critiques:

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/GD-Color.png

Not bad photoshop work. Lacks any graphic design whatsoever.

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/GD-Discovery.png

Your choice font and positioning doesn't make this a memorable image.

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/GD-Manip.png

Nothing but pixel manipulation.

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/GD-Player.png

Lacks readability.

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/You_Lose_With_WAMU.jpg

No comment.

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Lego/The_Tedium_Flows_Like_A_River.jpg
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Photos/Nicky_Scanned.jpg

We now know you can use a scanner. Good job.

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Photos/Evul_Tree.jpg

We now know you have the tremors. Buy a tripod.

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Photos/Oatmeal_The_Magic_Keeristmas_Tree.jpg

We now know you need to work on your lighting.

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Photos/Pac_Man_Cookies.jpg

You can bake.

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Photos/Uncle_Robert.jpg

That's enough. Please weed through these doodles and point to me to
your skillful combination of typography and imagery.

Drew

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Photos/Nicky_Scanned.jpg

whoisthat...@hotmail.com

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Dec 23, 2008, 12:13:48 PM12/23/08

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On Dec 23, 11:19 am, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-
productions.net> wrote:

> hell the fuckin retard probably knows more about
> fixing toilets than he knows about making and running websites. LOL

Things I don't do well, or at all, that I hire professionals to do:
Code
Quality Photography
Copywriting
Video
Cold Fusion
Audio
Site Hosting
Illustration
Set Construction
Offset and Screen Printing
Branding
Market Research

Drew

Onideus Mad Hatter

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Dec 23, 2008, 12:27:47 PM12/23/08

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On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:10:49 -0800 (PST),
whoisthat...@hotmail.com wrote:

Even further proof that Drew has no idea what he's even doing, check
this out:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Usenet/Bitch_Slaps_-_Drew_Is_An_Idiot_-_01.png

Rather than simply use basic *CODE* to produce those retarded looking
inverse image flips, he actually DOUBLED all of the images and
manually created an inverse of every single one. This in turn has
created around 75 Kilobytes in BLOAT on his already BLOATED Flash
file, which is nearly a megabyte in size. Again, is this really the
kind of amateur you would want designing and creating your websites?

It gets worse though! Let's take a look at Drew's image encoding
knowledge for a minute...
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Usenet/Bitch_Slaps_-_Drew_Is_An_Idiot_-_02.jpg

Wow...just...WOW! I mean there are so many different things wrong
with that image (as well as all the others) that it's just...sad, it
really is. First off...white space...for designers who don't know how
to use code to properly align their images. LOL And yes, Drew, all
that white space can have an effect on the overall file sizes,
especially in PNGs and GIF files. Oh, but that's weird, you're not
*USING* any other file format except for JPEG...why is that, Drew? Is
JPEG the only image format you even comprehend? I mean, I thought you
were an ~expert~ Drew.

Using that same image as an example, der er, what is that image Drew?
Oh, hey, it's a vector drawing, innt? Now, as such, it could actually
be imported directly into Flash from its vector source and as such
wouldn't really take up *ANY* space at all, but let's play on the
amateur level for a moment and ASSume that we don't know how to do
that. So, if we were going to encode that image into a format...what
format would be the *RIGHT* format to use? Now, any AMATEURE should
be able to tell you that, that's right, you should be using a PALLET
based format liak PNG or GIF. The *ONLY* time you would want to use
JPEG is if you're dealing with a TRUE COLOR PHOTOGRAPH...and even then
you can sometimes use split forms in conjunction with pallet based
formats to get a smaller size with a better looking overall image. And
in fact if you have mixed content with photo material AND line
art/text then you SHOULD in fact be using multiple formats and
splitting the image apart for the best compression and look.

In this case, trimming down Drew's idiocy and reducing the colors
we're able to produce nyah:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Usenet/Bitch_Slaps_-_Drew_Is_An_Idiot_-_03.png

Which is about 7.81 Kilobytes, nearly a FIFTY PERCENT reduction in
overall file size. WOW! In fact, with proper image encoding Drew
could likely cut his entire site size down by at least twenty five
percent. Now, I'm sure Drew will try and backpedal and whine and say
something about how it's ~too hard~ and will take ~too much
time~...which is true for someone who is below the amateur level, I
mean if you don't know *HOW* to do something obviously it's going to
take you forever and a day just to figure it out. However for a
PROFESSIONAL...yeah, it takes no time at all, in fact it often takes
*LESS* time to do it right (like the whole part about using simple
code to produce the inverted images).

On the whole Drew's abilities as far as web construction are
just...abysmal, to say the least bit. His abilities compared against
say Mara make her look like a professional by comparison, *THAT* is
how craptacular his rip off, cookie cutter bullshit work is. He's
making all sorts of other idiot mistakes as well, liak exporting as
Flash 8 even though his site isn't doing anything outside of Flash 6.
His Flash code is also eight shades of retarded, looking at it in a
Flash decompiler. It seems he's using a timeline display system,
treating the site as if it were a movie, rather than making it like an
actual site. You should not *EVER* need to do anything on the time
line unless you're animating something and even then you should just
stick it into a sprite. Using the time line to control the viewable
content is liak using tables for content layout rather than relying on
CSS to do it. Basically it's the way you setup your Flash file if you
don't know how to code in Flash/Actionscript.

Drew is certainly *NOT* a web developer or coder, hell he can't even
manage to keep his own sites up, much less someone else's. Of course
he might still try to claim he's a graphic designer, but don't worry,
I'll get to that part in my next post. ; )

Onideus Mad Hatter

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On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:49:01 -0800 (PST),
whoisthat...@hotmail.com wrote:

>> LOL, looks liak Drew started crying his eyes out not even a fifth of
>> the way through the post and had to delete out all the rest because
>> even just looking at it strikes his

>Yep. I was laughing so hard my sides hurt and my eyes teared up. Way
>to busy to read your excuses.

"Way to busy"...just moar of Drew's *EXPERT* English skillz in action!

PS - nice backpedal, extra lame, just what we've (TINW) all come to
expect from you.

>> The poor little fuckup was beaten so soundly he couldn't even come up
>> with ONE single coherent critique of anything I posted,

>Deadlines.

Excuses. It's too bad though...I mean you would have been better off
keeping your mouth shut, actually attempting to critique my work is
only going to blow up in your face and expose you for the amateur that
you are. Oh well, your fuckup.

> But since you asked and I need a break:

Translation: Drew suddenly realize that he had basically made a
complete idiot out of himself in three different newsgroups and
figured he better try and bullshit his way out of it before anyone
else popped in and called him on his stupidity.

>http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/Easy_Ambigram.png
>
>And this is coherent to who. Where's the market?

It's a creative exercise Drew, something that you're obviously not
familiar at all with. And such creative forms, liak ambigrams, can be
employed in a whole variety of marketing tools and products. My
favorite was the shirt that said "Hate" on it, but if you looked at it
in a mirror it said "Love". Again though, it's no surprise that you,
as completely devoid of talent as you are, can't even recognize the
artistic and design worth of such a form.

>http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/14_Days/4-21-2007_-_Dreamat...
>
>Looks like doodles in the margin of your algebra notes.

Well you should be used to that, Drew:
: http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Usenet/Bitch_Slaps_-_Drew_Is_An_Idiot_-_02.jpg

*snicker*

Now *THAT* looks liak doodles in the margin of your algebra notes.
*nods*

>http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/14_Days/4-23-2007_-_Global_...
>
>You're kidding me right? You've taken an image, duped it, flopped it
>and put text over it. Won't sell.

Again, you fail to spot the creativity of the design. A lot of these
aren't made to be finished products or finished marketing tools, a lot
of them are IDEAS and CONCEPT forms. In that particular form,
although obviously not finished or perfect, shows a lot of creativity
in the whole globe form, with ties in directly with the text about the
warming being global, especially in that it's essentially showing
melted ice caps, which, again, shows that the warming is global. The
whole point of design, GOOD design, is to try and communicate
messages, thoughts and ideas through art. Obviously though if you're
an idiot without a spec of creative intelligence such forms are going
to be completely lost on you. As it says in my .sig, reality is

directly proportionate to how creative you are.

>http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/14_Days/4-24-2007_-_Kitties...

Uh, well *DUH*, the purpose of them is to invoke *HUMOR*, you fucking
retard. Again, you don't have the ability to look at a design and
recognize its importance or meaning to the purpose or audience.

>Your choice of typefaces should be ridiculed
>by all with even an ounce of design sense.

Which is a completely retarded attempt at an argument since every
single font that was picked *DIRECTLY* ties in with the humorous
messages, reflecting their meanings through the font designs. To even
*TRY* and say that there's no design sense there really does just make
you look liak a complete and total fucking retard of the highest
order.

>And don't get me started on the kerning.

What's wrong with the kerning, Drew? Do you still not understand what
kerning is? Do you still not grasp that kerning is done AUTOMATICALLY
by the software and is a direct product of the font itself? Really
Drew, if you don't liak the kerning your stupid ass needs to track
down the Font's creator and go bitch at them...although I suspect that
maybe you're just cock eyed or something, which is why it doesn't look
right to you. You *ARE* the only person who has *EVER* complained
about the "kerning"...although, again, maybe you just don't know what
kerning is.

>No design here whatsoever.

LOL, a completely laughable accusation as the font designs directly
play into the humorous messages, accenting them and giving the viewer
an instant visual representation of the message. Again though, you
lack the ability to even recognize what design even is, so obviously
you're not getting this. To you, you think design has something to do
with picking out the "right" colors or the "right" fonts, you
completely fail to recognize that design is all about creating a
MESSAGE and invoking EMOTIONS, there is no "right" color" or "right"
font, you fuckin retard.

>http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/14_Days/4-20-2007_-_Photo_T...
>
>No design here. Photoshop 101 at its finest.

Photo touch up is an aspect of the graphic design profession, Drew.
Just because your dumbass can't do it, doesn't make it exempt.
Further, it's design in that one must know how to properly discern
skin tones, textures, lighting, shadows, etc, etc, etc in order to fix
or alter the image without it being noticeable and to make it look
like it was ever done in the first place. If you don't have design
knowledge there's no way you can create a convincing photo touch up.
Which, perhaps is the reason why you *CAN'T* do it, Drew.

>http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/14_Days/Box_Thinker.png
>
>Original concept?

The design aspect is an original concept, you fuckin retard.

>Nothing but art you've downloaded and pieced
>together.

And yet it's still an original concept, no one has *EVER* applied the
whole "thinking outside the box" phrase to such a form and the design
is absolute perfection in that it creates the perfect display of the
message, in fact it's so perfect that it doesn't even need the text at
all to convey the message.

>Choice of font is pathetic. Just because it has boxy form
>doesn't mean it should be used.

LOL, you fuckin retard, the font was never boxy, the effect was
produced with extrusion filters, layer masks and 3D manipulation of
the text plane. Again though, you're just a cookie cutter bullshit
"artist" so obviously for you if it's not prepackaged and ready to go
it simply doesn't exist, huh Drew? And that's kind of the whole point
with you, you really don't know how to create *ANYTHING* via graphics
software that isn't readily available in a default filter effect or
preconfigured font or graphic. You really *DON'T* know how to use
Photoshop or the liak.

>http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/Business_Card.png
>
>I've already critiqued this. That would get you a C in an industrial
>arts class. Totally unimaginative with poor type placement that's too
>close to the trim. Need an 1/8 of an inch.

If I was employing a printer as sloppy as you are I'm sure I would
need an 1/8th of an inch, however as I only deal with PROFESSIONALS,
that's not really necessary. The design is also reflective of the
site's design and the blue monochromatic color scheme works perfect
with the message I want to convey via color theory (obviously
something you know nothing about). I will admit that the design
(outside of the font) isn't any moar imaginative than your usual work,
but then when I was making it I decided I didn't want the backdrop
design to overshadow the design of my Backwater logo, which is very
clever from a design perspective, in that it looks liak it's
underwater and is made of liquid, which really exemplifies the whole
"backwater" concept as I want to convey it...a cool, serene, out of
the city, peaceful feeling. If *YOU* were designing it the logo
design probably wouldn't have *ANYTHING* at all to do with the logo's
message, which, again, is why you're not a designer, just a bullshit
cookie cutter artist randomly taking *OTHER* people's design concepts
and just throwing them all over the place without even the slightest
clue as to *WHY* you would even want to..

>http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/Animated_Print_Test_1.png
>
>Holy shit. Where's the design here?
>
>http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/Animated_Print_Test_2.png
>
>See above.

Again, you're no designer so it's obvious that you can't figure it
out. The instructor gave me a simple task...he wanted a design that
could convey movement of a limb. As an A&P class it was imperative
that the designs gave the best conceptualization of the movement. Now,
obviously if he was dealing with an AMAEURE liak yourself, you
probably would have just thrown in a static image and then put some
kind of a non-descript arrow in to try and show the movement...yeah,
lame, and it doesn't really convey a sense of movement at all. My
form, utilizing animation elements and alpha gradients is the PERFECT
rendition of animated movement in a static form...you of course, not
being a designer, didn't recognize that fact at *ALL*, did you Drew?

>http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/In_Progress_4.png
>
>Already critiqued. No need to drag up this dead horse.

And as I recall the general consensus at the time was that it was a
vast improvement on the original, both in font selection and the
design form (while adhering to the original artwork). Of course I'll
again point out the fact that you just ~conveniently~ forgot all about
it.

>http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/Repaired_Images/Amy_-_Origi...
>http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/Repaired_Images/Amy_-_Fixed...
>
>Where's the design here. Moving pixels is not graphic design. When are
>you going to learn that?

Again showing off your amateur hour design knowledge. As with that
other image, the design aspect is in repairing photographic material,
altering it, without giving away the fact that it was altered. If you
don't understand designs aspects like shadow, lighting, skin texture,
etc, etc, etc...yeah, there's no way you can do that...which, again,
is why you can't, you're no designer, just a poser class dipshit who
liaks to run at the mouth.

>http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/Safe_Link_Logo_Idea_1.png
>
>Now you've finally gotten to some graphic design. Has potential.
>
>http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/Safe_Link_Logo_Idea_2.png
>http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/Safe_Link_Logo_Idea_3.png
>
>You should've stopped at #1. Going downhill.

They're numbered as far as how I liaked them, one being the best,
three being the least. It's pretty odd that you recognize the design
aspects of that logo and yet you completely failed on all levels to
even comprehend much of the other design aspects in the text forms in
the previous examples. It seems to me that maybe your stunted
personal tastes are afflicting your ability to recognize what is and
what isn't design. Basically, for an AMAETURE liak yourself, it's
only "design" if YOU liak it. A *REAL* designer can recognize the
design merits of a piece even if the design isn't personally appealing
to them. Again keeping in mind things liak the message, the audience,
the medium, etc. Rather than your personal tastes.

>http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/Techniques/Lightning.png
>
>No graphic design here.

Then tell me how to reproduce the effect, Jackass. If no design was
involved then you should be able to tell me how to reproduce it
exactly and that explanation should come without *ANY* steps or
discussion. It's graphic design in that it's a TECHNIQUE that can be
utilized IN a design, but you can't utilize that TECHNIQUE unless you
comprehend HOW to reproduce it. Of course in your case, even if you
did know how to reproduce it you likely don't have enough creative
expertise to even think of way in which it could be used well within a
design.

>http://www.backwater-productions.net/_adg/candy_5.png
>
>Clever use of filters. Work on your kerning!

The font is called "Hurshey" if you have some issue with the kerning
you should go talk to the designer, Fuckup.

>http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Usenet/Graphic_Design_-...
>
>Slowly step away from the filters. You can do it. Go cold turkey.

Again you show off your lack of graphic design knowledge (as far as
techniques and tools). Those effects weren't created with the use of
filters, rather they were created using three dimensional constructs
within Adobe After Effects and the design form is a near perfect
rendition of what the original person was asking for (although I
overlaid text on it and made it red so I wasn't giving it away for
free).

>http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Usenet/Graphical_Revers...
>
>And what have you accomplished here? That can't even pass for a study.

The title explains it, Dumbass. It's graphical reverse engineering.
Basically the point is to try and reproduce the design of another and
in doing so you can study the techniques and tools that they used to
create it and can then utilize those tools and techniques in your own
designs. It's a kind of comparative study.

>http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Usenet/Web_Design_-_Gra...
>http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Usenet/Web_Design_-_Ori...
>
>I've got to stop here. Too much fun, but I have work to do. In all
>these just one example of graphic design. One.
>
>http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=graphic%20design
>
>S: (n) graphic design (visual communication by a skillful combination
>of text and pictures in advertisements, magazines, books, etc.)
>
>Note the word "skillful".
>
>Only once here have I seen this criteria met in the examples thus far.

And the word "skillful" doesn't equate to "what Drew personally likes
and dislikes", the word "skillfull" pertains to HOW WELL the design
conveys its message, emotions, ideas, etc to its audience given a
particular medium. And in that sense my ideas and designs are *WAY*
the fuck beyond *ANYTHING* you've ever produced, Drew.

whoisthat...@hotmail.com

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On Dec 23, 12:27 pm, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-
productions.net> wrote:

Compression. Compression. Compression.

Tink. Tink. This isn't real estate.

This discussion is about graphic design. Compression for the web is
just a minor part of what concerns a graphic designer, but I'll
remember all of this while I'm designing billboards, print ads,
brochures, broadsides, packaging, catalogs, annual reports, logos,
direct mail, set and trade shows, POP, banners, specialty advertising,
magazines spreads, identity packages, stationery, t-shirts, signage,
maps,...I can go on and on.

Your problem and hinderance is you singular focus. Now go compress
something.

Drew

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On Dec 23, 2:01 pm, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-
productions.net> wrote:

> >And don't get me started on the kerning.
>
> What's wrong with the kerning, Drew? Do you still not understand what
> kerning is? Do you still not grasp that kerning is done AUTOMATICALLY
> by the software and is a direct product of the font itself?

I'll stop reading right here. Proof positive your'e a fraud.

Merry delusions to you and may you have a fraudulent New Year.

Drew
Now go play with your one trick pony.

Onideus Mad Hatter

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On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:14:46 -0800 (PST),
whoisthat...@hotmail.com wrote:

>On Dec 23, 2:01 pm, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-
>productions.net> wrote:
>
>> >And don't get me started on the kerning.
>>
>> What's wrong with the kerning, Drew? Do you still not understand what
>> kerning is? Do you still not grasp that kerning is done AUTOMATICALLY
>> by the software and is a direct product of the font itself?

>I'll stop reading right here.

Of course you will, your precious ego just can't take the beating.
Face it Drew, you've been completely humiliated and shown your true
colors as a poser class dipshit just running off at the mouth without
a clue.

>Proof positive your'e a fraud.

As if I could ever get tired of bitch slapping you with reality...
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Usenet/Bitch_Slaps_-_Drew_Is_An_Idiot_-_04.png

LOL, duh uh, Drew doesn't know what kerning is! Dee, dee, dee!

>Merry delusions to you and may you have a fraudulent New Year.

Uh huh, this from the guy who rips off other people's cookie cutter
bullshit. Drew believes that if he has to steal from other people
that everyone else must be stealing too. He just can't get over the
fact that not everyone in ADG is a stupid poser liak he is.

>Now go play with your one trick pony.

This from the retard whose so predictable I called his every move even
before he made it. As I said, he would lie and say I had no designs,
then when asked for proof he would backpedal and throw out retarded
fallacies and then when called on those he would retard back into
accusing me of ~stealing~ all my designs and calling me a fraud.

Slapping you around for shits and giggles is pretty much clock work,
Drewster. Maybe next year you can try a new trick...although you know
what they say about old dogs. Oh well, maybe you'll be dead next year
instead, then no one will have to hear your WHINING anymoar about how
much you covet my shit.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm š x š

Onideus Mad Hatter

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Dec 23, 2008, 5:01:44 PM12/23/08

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On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:10:42 -0800 (PST),
whoisthat...@hotmail.com wrote:

>Compression. Compression. Compression.
>
>Tink. Tink. This isn't real estate.
>
>This discussion is about graphic design.

*Hatter falls on the floor laughing his ass off.*

Let's just end you right quick, no sense dragging out your horrible
embarrassment:
http://www.answers.com/topic/graphic-design

: Preparation of a visual representation of an idea or message, such as
: a print or broadcast advertisement or direct-mail promotion package,
: including all aspects of the final image/package desired, such as
: illustrations, set typefaces, colors, paper stock, or arrangement of
: elements on a page. The design of any promotion must incorporate the
: marketing objectives and strategy, the production capabilities, and
: the budget limitations of the advertiser.

Key points:
"Preparation of a visual representation"
"including ALL ASPECTS of the final image/package desired"

Free cl00, retardo, image encoding falls directly in line with that.
Dee, dee, dee!

> Compression for the web is just a minor part of what concerns a
> graphic designer,

Actually, retard, in a digital environment formats and encoding
methodology is pretty much the *MOST* important thing there is. As a
good comparison, it would be liak being a painter...but not knowing
anything about the different kinds of paint, canvases, mediums and
when and why to use them. If you don't know what kind of canvas to
use or what kind of paint you should be using, well you could paint
yourself a fuckin masterpiece...but that's not gonna matter much when
in a week all the paint starts flaking off or smudging at the
slightest touch.

In order to be a painter you *HAVE* to know your tools and you *HAVE*
to know your mediums, you cannot *BE* a painter without that
knowledge. And likewise you cannot *BE* a graphic designer without
knowing about graphic formats and encoding methodology...otherwise you
could make the best looking image in the world, but just like the
painter, that's not gonna matter much when you export as a JPEG with a
compression factor of 50 without thinking and your masterpiece winds
up destroyed.

>but I'll
>remember all of this while I'm designing billboards, print ads,
>brochures, broadsides, packaging, catalogs, annual reports, logos,
>direct mail, set and trade shows, POP, banners, specialty advertising,
>magazines spreads, identity packages, stationery, t-shirts, signage,
>maps,...I can go on and on.

...holy fucking shit...this dipshit thinks he can make designs for
liak billboards without having any comprehension *AT ALL* of file
formats, compression, resolution, etc...good keerist...I truly feel an
incredible swell of pity for any client he has no doubt screwed over
with his incredible lack of expertise. It really is sad that there
are dipshits liak Drew running around trying to pass themselves off as
web designers and graphic designers and essentially completely fucking
over their clients with their lying bullshit.

>Your problem and hinderance is you singular focus. Now go compress
>something.

This from the guy who thinks that the only aspect of graphic design is
picking out pretty pictures and colors. *face palm* Yes, yes Drew
really is *THAT* fuckin stupid.

whoisthat...@hotmail.com

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On Dec 23, 4:39 pm, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-
productions.net> wrote:

> Uh huh, this from the guy who rips off other people's cookie cutter
> bullshit. Drew believes that if he has to steal

Prove it.

Drew

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Dec 23, 2008, 9:41:14 PM12/23/08

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Onideus Mad Hatter turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:

>>Proof positive your'e a fraud.
>
> As if I could ever get tired of bitch slapping you with reality...
>
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Usenet/Bitch_Slaps_-_Drew_Is_An_Idiot_-_04.png
>
> LOL, duh uh, Drew doesn't know what kerning is! Dee, dee, dee!

Drew's mother keeps a chicken?

TheGist

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whoisthat...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 19, 4:07 pm, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-

> productions.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:44:18 -0500, TheGist <theg...@nospam.net>

>> wrote:
>>
>>> whoisthatmasked...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Dec 18, 1:01 am, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-

>>>> productions.net> wrote:
>>>>> Well, I've applied to three different graphic design and/or web

>>>> I'd love to see the portfolio you presented.
>>>> Please share.
>>> There is no portfolio, no business wants to hire him, this is all
>>> bullshit. He is just trying to save face for the fact that he is a
>>> talentless loser that works at some shit job. There is a 0.0% chance
>>> any of this is true. A professional job that pays less than shit retail
>>> job!?!? No fucking way...this is only possibly true if it is some tiny
>>> little shit shack of idiots designing small town diner menus.
>> LOL, oh pissy, you certainly are butthurt this holiday season. What's
>> the matter, all alone and angry? *snicker*
>
> Hey Sophomore, show us your portfolio that puts you in demand for
> minimum wage.

Been a long time since the question has been asked and Hideous Sad Fatter
has not replied!
No other conclusion to be had other than that he was lying to begin with.
Thanks to Drew for calling him out!
Hideous Sad Fatter has been O \/\/ N E D !!

Rev Turd Fredericks

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Dec 23, 2008, 11:13:59 PM12/23/08

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It looks good but the font is way too small, even with my new glasses on
a 17" monitor I can't read it :-(

Onideus Mad Hatter

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Dec 24, 2008, 3:41:55 AM12/24/08

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I sure will, Drew...just as soon as you get done proving I have no
portfolio. ^__^

*Who thinks that comment is gonna make Drew's head implode?

Onideus Mad Hatter

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On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:54:58 -0500, TheGist <the...@nospam.net>
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>Be<COCK SLAP>

Seriously Pissy, isn't there something *ELSE* you could be doing right
about now? Or is frothing over me really all you have left in life?

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whoisthat...@hotmail.com

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On Dec 23, 4:39 pm, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-

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> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:14:46 -0800 (PST),
>

> whoisthatmasked...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >On Dec 23, 2:01 pm, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-
> >productions.net> wrote:
>
> >> >And don't get me started on the kerning.
>
> >> What's wrong with the kerning, Drew? Do you still not understand what
> >> kerning is? Do you still not grasp that kerning is done AUTOMATICALLY
> >> by the software and is a direct product of the font itself?

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Usenet/Bitch_Slaps_-_Dr...

It shows.

Drew

whoisthat...@hotmail.com

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On Dec 24, 3:41 am, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-

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> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:31:28 -0800 (PST),
>

> whoisthatmasked...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >On Dec 23, 4:39 pm, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-
> >productions.net> wrote:
>
> >> Uh huh, this from the guy who rips off other people's cookie cutter
> >> bullshit. Drew believes that if he has to steal
>
> >Prove it.
>
> I sure will, Drew...just as soon as you get done proving I have no
> portfolio. ^__^

And that "portfolio" of yours proves you're a fraud. Keep the Wal-Mart
job.

Later, Chump.

D

Fred Doyle

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Dec 24, 2008, 10:39:15 AM12/24/08

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Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

>
>> Proof positive your'e a fraud.
>
> As if I could ever get tired of bitch slapping you with reality...
> http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Usenet/Bitch_Slaps_-_Drew_Is_An_Idiot_-_04.png
>
> LOL, duh uh, Drew doesn't know what kerning is! Dee, dee, dee!

Oops, you missed that setting above where you can set a kerning value
rather than just "raping the default setting," as you like to say. Most
people who do this for a living set kerning values every letter
individually in a headline. It's the difference between being a pro and
not being a pro and knowing what kerning is and how to use it and not
having a clue what you don't know.

What your showing so proudly is kind of like using the default values
for a photoshop filter. There's a lot more to know about design than how
to compress images.

Fred Doyle

Onideus Mad Hatter

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On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:39:15 -0500, Fred Doyle <fdo...@nycap.rr.com>
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Actually, Fred-tard, you wouldn't normally *EVER* alter the default
kerning setting unless you had some *VERY* specific stylistic reason
to do so and of course, even if you do use a custom kerning setting,
um, hello, dumbfuck, HELLO! It's not altering the kerning
dynamically, it's simply adding to the base, default kerning of the
font. So by your own idiocy, if that default kerning isn't right,
well making it *BIGGER* isn't going to magically fix it you fucking
retard. Tha fuck, what is someone handing out retard pills over in
ADG this morning?

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Onideus Mad Hatter

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Dec 24, 2008, 1:46:34 PM12/24/08

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On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 05:27:44 -0800 (PST),
whoisthat...@hotmail.com wrote:

>> I sure will, Drew...just as soon as you get done proving I have no
>> portfolio. ^__^

>And that "portfolio" of yours proves you're a fraud. Keep the Wal-Mart
>job.
>
>Later, Chump.

Here's a fun reminder for Drew, so he can see how much he's
projecting:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.2600/msg/1a0b51e287439927

: Things I don't do well, or at all, that I hire professionals to do:

: Code
: Quality Photography
: Copywriting
: Video
: Cold Fusion
: Audio
: Site Hosting
: Illustration
: Set Construction
: Offset and Screen Printing
: Branding
: Market Research

...in which Drew point blank admits to not having...*ANY* knowledge or
understanding *AT ALL* of graphic design, web design, etc. That by
the way is the PROOF that your websites are not your own, you ripped
them off of someone who actually has talent. Who was it, Drew? Who
did you steal those cookie cutter websites from? By your own
admission there is *NO WAY* that you could have created them. Facts
are facts, Drew.

Would you liak to trip over your stupid again? Maybe throw out
another circumstantial ad hominem fallacy? You could always just
retard back into poisoning the well and personal attack fallacies if
you start to get too frustrated. ^__^

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Fred Doyle

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Dec 24, 2008, 8:48:17 PM12/24/08

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Actually, if you really know what you are doing, and not just pretending
you do, you'd prolly want to make the kerning value smaller, not bigger,
like with a negative number, to pull specific letter pairs together even
tighter than the kerning table values indicate (not the whole block of
text, specific letter pairs). Real professional graphic designers, not
those pretending to be one, do it all the time for a variety of
"specific stylistic reasons." I'll bet you learn that if you take any of
those jobs you talked about and you'll be so proud of yourself.

That's what you do with a program that is specifically designed for
setting type like InDesign or Quark. They provide that functionality and
make it readily accessible precisely because it IS something you do
regularly in a program that is designed for type layout like InDesign.

Did you know that InDesign even provides two distinct ways of altering
kerning, one based on the kerning table for the font (metric kerning)
and one that is used for combining unique, unmatched letter pairs not
from the same font so they wont have a kerning table that would set
kerning values for letter pairs (optical kerning).

But hey, you go on pretending you know what you're talking about. That's
a good way to rise above minimum wage in those 3 jobs your contemplating
taking. You tell them all about kerning on your first day and how they
shouldn't "*EVER* alter the default kerning setting unless you had some
*VERY* specific stylistic reason to do so." They'll be impressed with
your graphic design knowledge. That's a good idea.

Fred Doyle

Onideus Mad Hatter

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Dec 24, 2008, 9:22:37 PM12/24/08

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On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:48:17 -0500, Fred Doyle <fdo...@nycap.rr.com>
wrote:

>Actually, if you really know what you are doing, and not just pretending

>you do, you'd prolly want to make the kerning value smaller, not bigger,
>like with a negative number, to pull specific letter pairs together even
>tighter than the kerning table values indicate (not the whole block of
>text, specific letter pairs). Real professional graphic designers, not
>those pretending to be one, do it all the time for a variety of
>"specific stylistic reasons." I'll bet you learn that if you take any of
>those jobs you talked about and you'll be so proud of yourself.

Real professional designer know that it's not to good to ass rape
anything, whether it's filter effects or kerning. Just because your
stupid ass *CAN* do something doesn't mean you *SHOULD* be doing it. I
would suspect that most of the times you've done it you didn't even
know *WHY* you were doing it other than you thought it would look
cool. Further, making the kerning smaller, in most cases, will make
the text harder to read. For the most part kerning alteration is done
when you're having space/alignment issues, like if you need to fit a
lot of text onto one line or you need your text to take up moar white
space. It is *NOT* normally used for artistic/design purposes and if
that's what you're using it for you're likely an idiot. Basically
you're taking a tool that's used for type setting and trying to use it
as a design tool, which makes you look liak a fuckin moron. Granted I
could ~maybe~ see ~some~ stylistic reasons for altering the kerning,
but for the most part...no. Essentially you're just throwing useless
shit at your design.

Here's a fun challenge...why don't you present to us a design that
would directly benefit from kerning alteration and, in your own words,
describe what benefits were achieved from doing it.

*Hatter pops himself a beer.*

This should be good.

>That's what you do with a program that is specifically designed for
>setting type like InDesign or Quark. They provide that functionality and
>make it readily accessible precisely because it IS something you do
>regularly in a program that is designed for type layout like InDesign.

Type setting isn't a direct part of graphic design, it's a part of
typography you fucking idiot. Granted at a stretch you could say that
a designer can use typography in their designs, but again, unless you
can specifically state *HOW* and *WHY* it would be a benefit to the
design...yeah, yer just blowin a goat.

>Did you know that InDesign even provides two distinct ways of altering
>kerning, one based on the kerning table for the font (metric kerning)
>and one that is used for combining unique, unmatched letter pairs not
>from the same font so they wont have a kerning table that would set
>kerning values for letter pairs (optical kerning).

There are actually even moar ways to play with kerning than that.

>But hey, you go on pretending you know what you're talking about. That's
>a good way to rise above minimum wage in those 3 jobs your contemplating
>taking. You tell them all about kerning on your first day and how they
>shouldn't "*EVER* alter the default kerning setting unless you had some
>*VERY* specific stylistic reason to do so." They'll be impressed with
>your graphic design knowledge. That's a good idea.

...so basically what you just said is that "real" graphic designers
fuck around with kerning settings without actually having any reason
to do so other than they think it's the ~professional~ thing to do.

Yes, yes you really are *THAT* fuckin stupid...and coincidentally it's
one of the reasons you AREN'T working in this field, Freddie boi. And
no, your dead end free lance site doesn't count:
http://www.leafpublishing.com

You best not quit *YOUR* day job anytime, you poser class dipshit.
Hell you're so fuckin stupid you can't even match your logo banner
into your site design. Then again maybe you're liak Drew and you just
don't know how to do anything:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.2600/msg/1a0b51e287439927

Is that it, Feddy? Do you just not know anything at all? *nods*

And yes, anyone looking at your site (or Drew's) can plainly see why
it is you spaz out over my work all the time. To put it bluntly,
you're a jealous little snit who covets my abilities whilst being
horribly butthurt over my general attitude online.

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Fred Doyle

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Dec 24, 2008, 9:48:57 PM12/24/08

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You keep thinking anything you'd like to Matt. It will all help you get
one of those real professional minimum wage graphic design jobs you were
talking about. I wouldn't read all you wrote on a bet, but you show
those potential employers your post. I'll bet they'll read it and boy
will they be impressed. Keep your contacts with Walmart however. Just
some Xmas advice.

Fred Doyle

Onideus Mad Hatter

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Dec 24, 2008, 10:11:30 PM12/24/08

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On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:48:57 -0500, Fred Doyle <fdo...@nycap.rr.com>
wrote:

>You keep thinking anything you'd like to Matt. It will all help you get

Hey Fred, I found one of your designs!

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Usenet/Bitch_Slaps_-_Spaces.jpg

LOL, yeah, all the "professionals" use negative kerning and negative
spaces, it's ~*SO*~ stylistic, obviously you're just not a
"professional" if you don't think so.

PS - How's your minimum wage graphic design job? Oh, wait, that's
right, you live at home in your mom's basement, I forgot. Well, maybe
someday you'll get a job, Fred...maybe when you finally realize you're
just a poser class fuckup, eat a lil humble pie and then get your ass
down to Mickey Ds...where you'll spend the rest of your life if you
don't stop posing and trying to bullshit people online with your
nonexistent skillz. To put it another way, you best stop running at
the mouth about *OTHER* people's work and get to fixing your own shit
first, Fred:
http://www.leafpublishing.com

...cause, WOW! That is just all shades of sad right there. Seriously
my *MOM* could design a better looking website. Of course unlike you
she's not running around trying to convince people that she's a
graphic designer.

Fred Doyle

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Dec 24, 2008, 10:24:40 PM12/24/08

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Geez, you ARE wound up and writing way too much. I said you can believe
whatever you want to. It means nothing to me. Too much Red Bull and
angry last minute shoppers at Walmart? I hope you can wind down and
enjoy the holiday. Merry Christmas.

Fred Doyle

Onideus Mad Hatter

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On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:24:40 -0500, Fred Doyle <fdo...@nycap.rr.com>
wrote:

>Geez, you ARE wound up and writing way too much. I said you can believe

Hey man, don't start shit if you can't take it back in return.
Remember, I *ENJOY* invective word art and verbal conflagration, so
whilst you may not be having a very fun time here, I am, as is my
readership who equally enjoys my work. Especially when it involves
knocking some pretentious jackass without any skillz liak you down a
few notches. To put it another way...don't start nothin...won't *BE*
nothin. Don't get all pissy and indignant after the fact just cause
you got your sorry ass handed to you and humiliated, exposed for the
poser that you are. You bring this shit on yourself.

whoisthat...@hotmail.com

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Dec 26, 2008, 5:37:37 PM12/26/08

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On Dec 24, 1:46 pm, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-

productions.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 05:27:44 -0800 (PST),
>

> whoisthatmasked...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> I sure will, Drew...just as soon as you get done proving I have no
> >> portfolio. ^__^
> >And that "portfolio" of yours proves you're a fraud. Keep the Wal-Mart
> >job.
>
> >Later, Chump.
>
> Here's a fun reminder for Drew, so he can see how much he's
> projecting:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.2600/msg/1a0b51e287439927
>
> : Things I don't do well, or at all, that I hire professionals to do:
> : Code
> : Quality Photography
> : Copywriting
> : Video
> : Cold Fusion
> : Audio
> : Site Hosting
> : Illustration
> : Set Construction
> : Offset and Screen Printing
> : Branding
> : Market Research
>
> ...in which Drew point blank admits to not having...*ANY* knowledge or
> understanding *AT ALL* of graphic design, web design, etc.

Curious logic. Flawed, but curious none the less.

Drew

Fred Doyle

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Dec 26, 2008, 6:11:41 PM12/26/08

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Matt + logic = flawed? Are you surprised?

Matt + graphic design = job Now that would be a surprise.

Fred Doyle

whoisthat...@hotmail.com

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On Dec 26, 6:11 pm, Fred Doyle <fdoy...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:

Matt + graphic design = fraud No surprise.

Drew

Onideus Mad Hatter

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Dec 27, 2008, 9:46:57 AM12/27/08

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Drew + Matt = Drew BAAAAWING like an angry toddler in a therapy
session.

It's okay though, you and Freddie boi can pity slurp each other for
brownie points. In the mean time though both your sites look liak
fucking shit compared to my work:
http://pattersondesign.com/
http://www.leafpublishing.com/

You two retards can't even hold a candle to me:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/

*snicker*

It's too bad you can't stop frothing on about how much you covet my
work, because then maybe you could actually improve your horrible,
ripped off crap. Tell us again Drew about everything you *CAN'T* do.
LOL, boy that's just never gonna stop being funny. ^__^

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whoisthat...@hotmail.com

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Dec 27, 2008, 11:46:07 AM12/27/08

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And why he keeps dragging his delusional wanna-be doodles into
alt.design.graphics is beyond me.

Drew

Onideus Mad Hatter

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Dec 27, 2008, 1:01:54 PM12/27/08

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But then, really, what else is new? The poor fool just can't get over
his horrible butt hurt, what with how he's pathetic at, well,
*EVERYTHING* (self admitted at that).

Fred Doyle

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Dec 27, 2008, 9:59:36 PM12/27/08

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Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

>
> You two retards can't even hold a candle to me:
> http://www.backwater-productions.net/
>
> *snicker*
>

How is your personal, amateur site doing in terms of getting you a
professional graphic design job?

Think hard about what that might mean.

Fred Doyle

Onideus Mad Hatter

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Dec 28, 2008, 10:28:13 AM12/28/08

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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:59:36 -0500, Fred Doyle <fdo...@nycap.rr.com>
wrote:

>Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

Ask that question of your site craptastic site, Freddie:
http://www.leafpublishing.com/

No offense, but most companies would show you the door if *THAT* was
all the better you had to show of yourself. Again though, you kids
couldn't make it any moar obvious that you're simply attempting to
project your own personal failings onto me (a fact that has been
recognized by others and pointed out behind your back, snecking ADG
from the froup line to keep you from BAAAWing over it).

Fred Doyle

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Dec 28, 2008, 12:43:13 PM12/28/08

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Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:59:36 -0500, Fred Doyle <fdo...@nycap.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
>>
>>> You two retards can't even hold a candle to me:
>>> http://www.backwater-productions.net/
>>>
>>> *snicker*
>>>
>> How is your personal, amateur site doing in terms of getting you a
>> professional graphic design job?
>>
>> Think hard about what that might mean.
>
> Ask that question of your site craptastic site, Freddie:
> http://www.leafpublishing.com/
>
> No offense,

None taken.

> but most companies would show you the door if *THAT* was
> all the better you had to show of yourself.

Aha, A clue. I'm not using that to find or keep jobs. I've got a
full-time job and all the freelance I wish through reputation.

> Again though, you kids
> couldn't make it any moar obvious that you're simply attempting to
> project your own personal failings onto me

thanks for the amateur psychology. I'll give that all the respect and
consideration I give your graphic design pronouncments.

(a fact that has been
> recognized by others and pointed out behind your back, snecking ADG
> from the froup line to keep you from BAAAWing over it).
>

Oh no! Am I supposed to give credence to opinions "by others.. pointed
out behind my back" on Usenet? C'mon Matt. You know better.

Fred Doyle

Onideus Mad Hatter

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Dec 28, 2008, 11:31:32 PM12/28/08

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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:43:13 -0500, Fred Doyle <fdo...@nycap.rr.com>
wrote:

>> Ask that question of your site craptastic site, Freddie:
>> http://www.leafpublishing.com/
>>
>> No offense,

>None taken.

Perhaps if you did you would have enough humility to go and attempt to
edify your shit smear of a website. As you're living at home in your
mom's basement though I guess you don't exactly have much motivation
to improve though, huh?

>> but most companies would show you the door if *THAT* was
>> all the better you had to show of yourself.

>Aha, A clue. I'm not using that to find or keep jobs. I've got a
>full-time job and all the freelance I wish through reputation.

Freddie, you're not fooling anyone and your "job" as an unemployed
mama's boy, while certainly "full time" isn't so much a "job" as it is
painfully sad. You could not get a job in the graphic design world if
your life depended on it, not with *THAT* sorry site being the very
best you have to show of yourself.

>> Again though, you kids
>> couldn't make it any moar obvious that you're simply attempting to
>> project your own personal failings onto me

>thanks for the amateur psychology.

Oh it doesn't take a degree in psychology (or even a passing interest
for that matter) to figure you out, Freddie boi. You're quite
transparent I can assure you.

>I'll give that all the respect and
>consideration I give your graphic design pronouncments.

So you're going to covet it and then froth on about it for years on
end whilst continually acting liak an angry toddler in a therapy
session because you couldn't even dream of being able to do half of
the things I can do. Gotcha.

>(a fact that has been
>> recognized by others and pointed out behind your back, snecking ADG
>> from the froup line to keep you from BAAAWing over it).

>Oh no! Am I supposed to give credence to opinions "by others.. pointed
>out behind my back" on Usenet? C'mon Matt. You know better.

You're pig headed enough that I suppose you wouldn't, Freddie Boi. As
I said, your biggest failing is your lack of humility. Thinking that
producing slop liak this:
http://www.leafpublishing.com/

...somehow makes you God's gift to the graphic design world (whilst
living in your mom's basement).

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metro-golden-meower

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Dec 29, 2008, 9:17:33 AM12/29/08

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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:31:32 -0800, Onideus Mad Hatter
<use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote:

>humility

matt using the word 'humility' is just asking for global irony meters
to expire and give up the ghost. next matt will be practicing humility
himself. don't hold your breath on that.

Fred Doyle

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Dec 29, 2008, 9:36:44 AM12/29/08

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LOL, so you've finally crossed the line and have to invent imaginary
lives for those who call you out as a fraud so that you can deal with
it. I love it! RL has gotten a little too real for Matt.

Fred Doyle

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Dec 29, 2008, 10:32:13 AM12/29/08

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On Dec 24, 11:59 am, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-
productions.net> wrote:

> Actually, Fred-tard, you wouldn't normally *EVER* alter the default
> kerning setting unless you had some *VERY* specific stylistic reason
> to do so and of course, even if you do use a custom kerning setting,
> um, hello, dumbfuck, HELLO! It's not altering the kerning
> dynamically, it's simply adding to the base, default kerning of the
> font. So by your own idiocy, if that default kerning isn't right,
> well making it *BIGGER* isn't going to magically fix it you fucking
> retard. Tha fuck, what is someone handing out retard pills over in
> ADG this morning?

At the risk of adding more fodder for your "word art," here's a few
little tidbits about kerning for your edification:

Fonts can be divided into two groups: Monospace and Proportional.

Monospace fonts have identical spacing, regardless of the letter. In
other words, the letter "i" takes up the same amount of space as, say,
the letter "w." The end result is that all of the letter forms
maintain consistent spacing so that, for example, ANY three letter
word in a monospace font would take up the same amount of horizontal
space -- "ill" (using three narrow letters) would take up as much
horizontal space as "wow" (which uses three wider letters).

For this reason, monospace fonts typically do not need kerning
adjustments, because the entire point of the font is to be...
monospaced.

Proportional fonts (which are the bulk of fonts, by the way), on the
other hand, are a different animal altogether.

When a font designer is building the letter forms for a proportional
font, s/he has to make a choice regarding the spacing on either side
of each letter -- keeping in mind that the spacing begins at the very
edges of each letter. For many letters, for example, "H," "B," etc.,
the spacing choices are pretty easy. Where it becomes tricky are with
the letter forms that have heavy slants, such as the "A's," "V's" and
"W's." For those letters, the font designer has to compromise a
little by setting a general value that will make those letter forms
look best next to *most* other letters. But where it gets tricky is
when those few letter forms wind up being typeset next to each other.

For example, say the designer was going to create an ad and the
headline featured the word "WASHINGTON."

Most of the letter forms in that word will work well next to each
other. However, if the desired font features heavily slanted "W's"
and "A's," then the nature of how kerning works is going to give the
appearance of MORE space between the "W" and "A" than between the
other letters. In normal body copy, this might go unnoticed. But in
a headline, this might seem visually awkward. In this case, the
designer might choose to DECREASE the kerning between the "W" and the
"A" in order to make the spacing appear to be more consistent with the
other letters. The idea being to create the same visual space between
the letters with slants "/ /" as what appears between the letters with
verticals "| |."

The effect may be pretty subtle, but it's one of those back-end things
that goes along with the whole knowledge "package" that you went on
about several posts back.

HTH

-- Robert

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Dec 29, 2008, 11:32:56 AM12/29/08

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I hand kern all my headlines. Don't worry so much in body copy unless
I'm copy fitting. I'll word kern to achieve the same objective or to
remove unsightly rivers or widows.

I'm sure Matthew will appreciate the edification.

Drew

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Dec 29, 2008, 12:05:36 PM12/29/08

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Hatter version of humility: failing to poast edit and type COCKSLAP
whenever he's bested.

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Fred Doyle

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Dec 29, 2008, 1:12:09 PM12/29/08

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A good explanation. What's implied but unsaid in the discussion so far
is that a single kerning table is set up for fonts so they are readable
at body copy sizes, i.e. 8-12 point, but applied the same at all sizes.
That's why headlines need special attention. A few fonts, I've been
told, do have multiple kerning tables that get applied depending on the
point size.

Fred Doyle

metro-golden-meower

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Dec 29, 2008, 1:24:11 PM12/29/08

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On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:05:36 -0700, я黨wぃf <snuh...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>metro-golden-meower wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:31:32 -0800, Onideus Mad Hatter
>> <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote:
>>
>>> humility
>>
>> matt using the word 'humility' is just asking for global irony meters
>> to expire and give up the ghost. next matt will be practicing humility
>> himself. don't hold your breath on that.
>
>Hatter version of humility: failing to poast edit and type COCKSLAP
>whenever he's bested.

only he could, and quite probably will, argue with that.

whoisthat...@hotmail.com

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Dec 29, 2008, 2:35:14 PM12/29/08

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On Dec 28, 10:28 am, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-
productions.net> wrote:

> Again though, you kids
> couldn't make it any moar obvious that you're simply attempting to
> project your own personal failings onto me (a fact that has been
> recognized by others and pointed out behind your back, snecking ADG
> from the froup line to keep you from BAAAWing over it).

Oh, please share.

Drew

Onideus Mad Hatter

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Dec 29, 2008, 2:44:36 PM12/29/08

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On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:36:44 -0500, Fred Doyle <fdo...@nycap.rr.com>
wrote:

>LOL, so you've finally crossed the line and have to invent imaginary

>lives for those who call you out as a fraud so that you can deal with
>it. I love it! RL has gotten a little too real for Matt.

I'm only doing what you've been doing for years now, Freddie Boi.
What's the matter, you can dish it, but you can't take it? Wanna
BAAAWWW over it? Should I dial Whine-One-One and call the
WAAAAmbulance for you? Don't get all pissy and indignant at me just
because you have no job and live with your parents. You at least
could have been plausible in your lies, but honestly, claiming that
you have a graphic design job when *THIS*:
http://www.leafpublishing.com/

...is the extent of your "graphic design" skillz? Yeah, yer not
foolin anybody, Freddy Boi. You couldn't even make JANITOR at any
respectable publication or marketing company with a shit splattered
"portfolio" liak that...not unless you were giving out free blow jobs
or something. Is that it, Fred? Are you whoring yourself out to
climb up the corporate ladder?

Onideus Mad Hatter

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Dec 29, 2008, 2:52:18 PM12/29/08

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Humility is reserved for those that need it, liak yourself. For those
that posture fake abilities to try and compensate for how pathetic
they are. As my skill level is light years beyond the failing
dipshits liak Drew and Freddy boi (and of course you and babyfur here
as well), there's no need at all for me to be humble...charitable
perhaps, yes, but then it's not as if I've ever declined anyone asking
for my help, so I think I do just fine in that realm. Those liak
Freddy who have about as much artistic talent as a gopher with its
head loped off by a rototiller are very much in need of learning a
little humility so that they can stop posturing themselves as "graphic
designers" when really, they couldn't design their way out of a wet
paper sack, much less through a job interview. And who knows, if they
can stop running at the mouth and playing pretend, maybe they can put
that time spent blustering to actually *LEARNING* something about
graphic design, rather than just *PRETENDING* to know.

Onideus Mad Hatter

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Dec 29, 2008, 2:57:16 PM12/29/08

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Go look up the threads, Dipshit. Is Google too complicated for you?
There's ones dating back as far as when I first started posting in ADG
where the froup line was snecked and you idiots were basically
analyzed and talked about behind your backs. It happens quite often
as many posters only liak to post in their home froups, so they'll
sneck everything else. Which is one of the reasons I actively use
Google to look at my threads, to make sure I'm not missing anything.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm น x น

whoisthat...@hotmail.com

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Dec 29, 2008, 4:57:10 PM12/29/08

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On Dec 29, 2:57 pm, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-

productions.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:35:14 -0800 (PST),
>

> whoisthatmasked...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >On Dec 28, 10:28 am, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-
> >productions.net> wrote:
>
> >> Again though, you kids
> >> couldn't make it any moar obvious that you're simply attempting to
> >> project your own personal failings onto me (a fact that has been
> >> recognized by others and pointed out behind your back, snecking ADG
> >> from the froup line to keep you from BAAAWing over it).
>
> >Oh, please share.
>
> Go look up the threads, Dipshit. Is Google too complicated for you?
> There's ones dating back as far as when I first started posting in ADG
> where the froup line was snecked and you idiots were basically
> analyzed and talked about behind your backs.

You made the charge, back it up or once again prove your fraudulence.
Now not one or two "projecting" comments, Matthew. I want to see where
I would be sent "BAAWing over it."

Drew

Fred Doyle

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Dec 29, 2008, 5:26:37 PM12/29/08

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Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:36:44 -0500, Fred Doyle <fdo...@nycap.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> LOL, so you've finally crossed the line and have to invent imaginary
>> lives for those who call you out as a fraud so that you can deal with
>> it. I love it! RL has gotten a little too real for Matt.
>
> I'm only doing what you've been doing for years now, Freddie Boi.

I see. For years you've had to create imaginary lives for the people who
torment you online so you can live with yourself. Nice.

Fred Doyle

metro-golden-meower

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Dec 30, 2008, 12:10:18 PM12/30/08

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On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:52:18 -0800, Onideus Mad Hatter
<use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:17:33 +0000, metro-golden-meower
><metro-gol...@meowdot.org> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:31:32 -0800, Onideus Mad Hatter
>><use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote:
>>
>>>humility
>
>>matt using the word 'humility' is just asking for global irony meters
>>to expire and give up the ghost. next matt will be practicing humility
>>himself. don't hold your breath on that.
>
>Humility is reserved for those that need it, liak yourself. For those
>that posture fake abilities to try and compensate for how pathetic
>they are. As my skill level is light years beyond the failing
>dipshits liak Drew and Freddy boi (and of course you and babyfur here
>as well), there's no need at all for me to be humble...charitable
>perhaps, yes, but then it's not as if I've ever declined anyone asking
>for my help, so I think I do just fine in that realm. Those liak
>Freddy who have about as much artistic talent as a gopher with its
>head loped off by a rototiller are very much in need of learning a
>little humility so that they can stop posturing themselves as "graphic
>designers" when really, they couldn't design their way out of a wet
>paper sack, much less through a job interview. And who knows, if they
>can stop running at the mouth and playing pretend, maybe they can put
>that time spent blustering to actually *LEARNING* something about
>graphic design, rather than just *PRETENDING* to know.

you are so full of shite that anyone near you must smell the air and
wonder if there is a leacky mobile cesspit near them 'cause the air
smells so rank.

now why don't you just get back to what you are good at?

where's my handjob, bitch?

Onideus Mad Hatter

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Dec 30, 2008, 1:55:29 PM12/30/08

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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:10:18 +0000, metro-golden-meower
<metro-gol...@meowdot.org> wrote:

>yo<COCK SLOP>

Yeah I think it's about time you had your mouth fucked shut, huh?

Onideus Mad Hatter

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Dec 30, 2008, 2:00:16 PM12/30/08

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On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:26:37 -0500, Fred Doyle <fdo...@nycap.rr.com>
wrote:

>> I'm only doing what you've been doing for years now, Freddie Boi.

>I see. For years you've had to create imaginary lives for the people who
>torment you online so you can live with yourself. Nice.

...holy shit...I have never quite seen an autoflame as
self-destructive and damaging as *THAT* Fred-tard. Here's what you
just said, Dumbfuck:

>I see. For years I've had to create imaginary lives for the people who
>torment me online so I can live with myself. Nice.

...wow, just...WOW! You got problems, d00d...serious problems. Let's
share this with the kids over in AF though, I think they've got the
right to see what is without any doubt the *BIGGEST* auto-flame in all
of Usenet history. o_O

Onideus Mad Hatter

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Dec 30, 2008, 2:07:27 PM12/30/08

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Why back it up when the only person who is in the dark over it is you,
Bumbles? LOL It's actually funnier having you *NOT* know about it.
Essentially you're going all "proud-tard" thinking you're in the right
when in reality everyone is laughing their ass off at how fuckin
stupid you look behind your back. Keeping you ignorant keeps you
performing liak a proud-tard which means you can be continually milked
for LULZ. That coincidentally is why some volatile froups like PoE
have a "non-interference" policy with kooks, because if retards liak
you don't know that there's people laughing at you behind your back
you'll continue to act liak a fuckin retard for our amusement. ^__^

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ą x ą

whoisthat...@hotmail.com

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Dec 30, 2008, 3:55:48 PM12/30/08

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On Dec 18, 1:01 am, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-
productions.net> wrote:

> So, the question is, do I keep working at Wal*Mart making more money...or
> make less money but do something in my field? Decisions, decisions.
> Of course on the one hand even if I stopped working at Wal*Mart I can
> always go back to it anytime I liak, so that's kinda nice.

My advise would be to keep the Wal*Mart job.

Drew

Fred Doyle

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Dec 30, 2008, 7:30:57 PM12/30/08

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Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:26:37 -0500, Fred Doyle <fdo...@nycap.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> I'm only doing what you've been doing for years now, Freddie Boi.
>
>> I see. For years you've had to create imaginary lives for the people who
>> torment you online so you can live with yourself. Nice.
>
> ...holy shit...I have never quite seen an autoflame as
> self-destructive and damaging as *THAT* Fred-tard. Here's what you
> just said, Dumbfuck:
>
>> I see. For years I've had to create imaginary lives for the people who
>> torment me online so I can live with myself. Nice.
>
> ...wow, just...WOW! You got problems, d00d...serious problems. Let's
> share this with the kids over in AF though, I think they've got the
> right to see what is without any doubt the *BIGGEST* auto-flame in all
> of Usenet history. o_O
>
> --

"The biggest auto flame in Usenet history"...damn....... I'm amused at
best, too. Proof I don't spend time reading your posts completely, true.

Fred Doyle

Axel Hussein Yerbouti

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Dec 31, 2008, 8:58:19 AM12/31/08

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On Dec 30, 2:00 pm, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-

productions.net> wrote:
>
> ...wow, just...WOW! You got problems, d00d...serious problems. Let's
> share this with the kids over in AF though, I think they've got the
> right to see what is without any doubt the *BIGGEST* auto-flame in all
> of Usenet history. o_O

It's nice to know there's still something worth reading here after all
these years.