KITTY- Important Demographic Study
KITTY
guessing its about 26 g's a year...that is just a guess..I could be
WAAAAAAAYYYYYYY off base, I dunno??? Please gimme your thoughts...
ALSO.
QUESTION#2 Ok ok...I am trying to figure out cheap ways to do T-SHIRTS and
other Items at an affordable cost. I would like to do small batches and make
them very personal packages sent directly to YOU!!!! Yes..thats right. So I
need to know how many of you are gonna buy my exploding T-shirts. I am NOT
about money. If I was in this for the money, I wouldn't be doing it. I'd be
focusing my efforts on making HIT records like Puff Daddy and Britney Spears
Ok? ..Anyway, I'm guessing it isn't gonna be any more than 50. With that said.
I do not want to sink a ton of money and time into product that I cannot
sell..Lemme know if you'd buy one.
QUESTION#3- On production. I have a few alternatives. Go the elcheap-o route.
Sell transfers for a few bucks. Maybe make a dollar on every one ( just cause I
deserve it..and the strippers need to eat ). Estimated Price- 3 dollars.
Go the el-cheapo more expensive time consuming route- Make everything as an on
demand basis and drive myself crazy. I would probably make 3 dollars profit on
this..So each shirt would probably be like 8-10 bucks. Depending on quality.
Or..Make up a big raft of shirts. Each one a completly different garment..You
get what you pay for. I like to call this method..Salvation army repurposing
special. Shirts would be a little cheaper than above. Maybe like 6 bucks.
What would you like to see? Please let me know...
My intentions are to sell a batch of shirts..then hold a contest on my site.
"You with your kitty product". For example..You could----Dress your hot ass
girlfriend up in a kitty shirt and nothing else. Take pictures of yourself with
your semi- naked hot ass girlfriend wearing the kitty shirt. Take pictures of
yourself breaking the law with KITTY V.13!!!! Take pictures of yourself hanging
out on the street corner smoking a blunt, drinking a 40 with KITTY V.13, Take
pictures of your wife baking cookies with KITTY V.13...Etc. etc. See it's more
of an art concept with me. Yes...And it would be fun too. The best picture
would win an EXCLUSIVE t shirt, their own DOCUMENTARY PAGE in KITTY's CULT and
maybe some other junk. Depending on what you are into. OK?
This is all because I care....Just like ivillage,
-kitty
KITTY's WEBSITE
http://www.imbalance.net/kitty/
nomzilla
route.
> Sell transfers for a few bucks. Maybe make a dollar on every one ( just
cause I
> deserve it..and the strippers need to eat ). Estimated Price- 3 dollars.
> Go the el-cheapo more expensive time consuming route- Make everything as
an on
> demand basis and drive myself crazy. I would probably make 3 dollars
profit on
> this..So each shirt would probably be like 8-10 bucks. Depending on
quality.
> Or..Make up a big raft of shirts. Each one a completly different
garment..You
> get what you pay for. I like to call this method..Salvation army
repurposing
> special. Shirts would be a little cheaper than above. Maybe like 6 bucks.
>
> What would you like to see? Please let me know...
>
Britney Spears as one of your strippers, posing in front of the Cult of
Imbalance/Kitty flag.... that'll make a neat transfer.
I'll buy that.
or Maybe I can make one for u!
- noms.dp.sgp
Sjeiti
making too much: the government wants its money back... I'm not gonna
tell you exactly how much because that's nobodies damn business...
I make enough money to waste it on beer, weed, women and Kitty
t-shirts...
A#2: oh I'd love to walk around with a genuine KITTY t-shirt !
A#3: oh I wouldn't mind paying a bit more as long as quality of the
shirt and the print are good... whatever works best for you I guess...
Dimitri
About that Trevor Brown guy...
great artist, but one demented pedophilic mother.
You like this stuff?
KITTY wrote:
>
> QUESTION #1 What would you say the average income is on this newsgroup?? I'm
> guessing its about 26 g's a year...that is just a guess..I could be
> WAAAAAAAYYYYYYY off base, I dunno??? Please gimme your thoughts...
>
> ALSO.
>
> QUESTION#2 Ok ok...I am trying to figure out cheap ways to do T-SHIRTS and
> other Items at an affordable cost. I would like to do small batches and make
> them very personal packages sent directly to YOU!!!! Yes..thats right. So I
> need to know how many of you are gonna buy my exploding T-shirts. I am NOT
> about money. If I was in this for the money, I wouldn't be doing it. I'd be
> focusing my efforts on making HIT records like Puff Daddy and Britney Spears
> Ok? ..Anyway, I'm guessing it isn't gonna be any more than 50. With that said.
> I do not want to sink a ton of money and time into product that I cannot
> sell..Lemme know if you'd buy one.
>
> QUESTION#3- On production. I have a few alternatives. Go the elcheap-o route.
> Sell transfers for a few bucks. Maybe make a dollar on every one ( just cause I
> deserve it..and the strippers need to eat ). Estimated Price- 3 dollars.
> Go the el-cheapo more expensive time consuming route- Make everything as an on
> demand basis and drive myself crazy. I would probably make 3 dollars profit on
> this..So each shirt would probably be like 8-10 bucks. Depending on quality.
> Or..Make up a big raft of shirts. Each one a completly different garment..You
> get what you pay for. I like to call this method..Salvation army repurposing
> special. Shirts would be a little cheaper than above. Maybe like 6 bucks.
>
> What would you like to see? Please let me know...
>
> My intentions are to sell a batch of shirts..then hold a contest on my site.
> "You with your kitty product". For example..You could----Dress your hot ass
> girlfriend up in a kitty shirt and nothing else. Take pictures of yourself with
> your semi- naked hot ass girlfriend wearing the kitty shirt. Take pictures of
> yourself breaking the law with KITTY V.13!!!! Take pictures of yourself hanging
> out on the street corner smoking a blunt, drinking a 40 with KITTY V.13, Take
> pictures of your wife baking cookies with KITTY V.13...Etc. etc. See it's more
> of an art concept with me. Yes...And it would be fun too. The best picture
> would win an EXCLUSIVE t shirt, their own DOCUMENTARY PAGE in KITTY's CULT and
> maybe some other junk. Depending on what you are into. OK?
>
> This is all because I care....Just like ivillage,
> -kitty
>
> KITTY's WEBSITE
> http://www.imbalance.net/kitty/
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KITTY
>About that Trevor Brown guy...
>great artist, but one demented pedophilic mother.
>
>You like this stuff?
Yes..Trevor Brown is a total sickie..I don't really think he is as sick as you
think though....I have a feeling he illustrates childrens books for a living
and is very disgruntled with his job. A lot of that stuff is obviously total
shock value kind of stuff...But yeah, I love his work....It is shocking and
perverse and twisted..But all done in a semi-classy way. The guy is real good
at what he does and he has his own style...and I admire that. I don't see his
work as any more weird, shocking or demented as say.....Pornographic Japanese
Anime...
Limelight
Irrelevant. I'm breaking even which doesn't mean a thing for your research.
If I were to concentrate on the one business (limelight promotions studio)
it'd be a different story. But with the fashion business aswell, money goes
into promotions etc.
> QUESTION#2
If it weren't disgusting, then yes. Although your definition of disgusting
is most probably different to mine.
> QUESTION#3-
You have to work this out. Do what you can afford. There's no point
supplying the best if the set up cost is going to kill you. But I doubt
anyone would buy a t-shirt that is of poor quality either. Get the average
to start with, work your way up. I think the random design is a great idea,
although it'd be costly. Start off with two designs. Next year add another
four designs and so on. The originals are going to be the best ofcourse.
> My intentions are to sell a batch of shirts..then hold a contest on my
site.
> "You with your kitty product".
Great idea. With the permission of all the applicants you could compile a
Kitty Calendar with all the best photos. Something to look forward to for
2001.
--
Helen
Limelight
KITTY
sure it does...I know I don't buy silly things if I'm scraping by in the money
department...I wasn't asking for everyones salary..I was asking..What do you
think an average ballpark figure is for the regulars on here??
Thanks for your input..I'm currently in the process of setting up "almacén
kitty genérico estupendo para muertas las almas". In other words- a fun store
for you!!!! and if you speak spanish it may say something else...
Limelight
> I wasn't asking for everyones salary..I was asking..What do you
> think an average ballpark figure is for the regulars on here??
Woops, my mistake. Well I think it'd probably be about $40k aud for the full
timers here and about $25-30k aud for the freelancers here. But really,
that's just a wild guess.
--
Helen
Limelight
warui neko-chan
:>About that Trevor Brown guy...
Apt comparison, since Mr. Brown lives and works in Japan, and is actually
fairly successful there, although I doubt he's what anyone would exactly
consider popular. As far as I know, he doesn't illustrate children's books or
anything like that - he's just a sick and totally brilliant artist.
For what it's worth, he claims that his Japanese wife, who makes teddy bears
for a living, is far more perverse than he is.
Kat
--
**********
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warui neko-chan? http://panix.com/~neko/etc/wnc.html
siste...@mailcity.com
who make more than that. Cripes....I'd be living in a cardboard box
under a freeway bridge if all I made was $26K a year. DC is not a
cheap city to live in.
--Carol
In article <20000721203300...@ng-cr1.aol.com>,
iiii6...@aol.comKITTY (KITTY) wrote:
> QUESTION #1 What would you say the average income is on this
newsgroup?? I'm
> guessing its about 26 g's a year...that is just a guess..I could be
> WAAAAAAAYYYYYYY off base, I dunno??? Please gimme your thoughts...
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
David A. Burgess
isp, but I have no idea how much I'm making freelancing quite honestly.
Fortunately I have extremely cheap accomodations with a friend.
~DAB
Dimitri
perversely morbid and pedophilic nature. Nobody could put that much into
their work without actually experiencing those feelings in a very
existential manner.
KITTY
>for a living, is far more perverse than he is.
>
Whoa..thanks for filling in the details. I don't know that much about the
guy..other than his work with DEICIDE and WHITEHOUSE and some other extreme
noise samplers and whatnot....
KITTY
>>for a living, is far more perverse than he is.
>>
>
>Whoa..thanks for filling in the details. I don't know th
PS- I checked your sites... I dig your skull collections..Rockin..
warui neko-chan
:>Japanese wife, who makes teddy bears
:>>for a living, is far more perverse than he is.
:>>
:>
:>Whoa..thanks for filling in the details. I don't know th
: PS- I checked your sites... I dig your skull collections..Rockin..
Cool! I'll tell my husband, since most of the skulls are actually his...
ROCK AND ROLL!
Kat
future rock star
warui neko-chan
:>For what it's worth, he claims that his Japanese wife, who makes teddy bears
:>for a living, is far more perverse than he is.
:>
: Whoa..thanks for filling in the details. I don't know that much about the
: guy..other than his work with DEICIDE and WHITEHOUSE and some other extreme
: noise samplers and whatnot....
He also did some art for a PlayStation game (Silent Hill? I can't remember
off the top of my head)...but the bastards never sent him a copy of the game.
He got paid and all, but he's pissed about that.
Kat
thinks that's cool
warui neko-chan
: Well, I'd disagree about the brilliance. I think he's an artist with a
: perversely morbid and pedophilic nature. Nobody could put that much into
: their work without actually experiencing those feelings in a very
: existential manner.
If it makes you feel any better, I don't have any reason to think that Mr.
Brown is going around grabbing little girls.
Out of curiosity, do you think "perversely morbid and pedophilic nature" and
"brilliant" are mutually exclusive?
: warui neko-chan wrote:
: he's just a sick and totally brilliant artist.
Kat
Trevor Brown fan
Damaged
> PS- I checked your sites... I dig your skull collections..Rockin..
> -kitty
Oh hey! Those are my skulls you are digging. Glad you find them
rocking. Now a belated addition to the Trevor Brown discussion. His
work has appeared in Alice Club magazine in Japan for many years. Alice
Club is a publication that caters to pedophiles. Is this guilt by
association, or just him finding a market for his work?
-Senor Damaged
Dimitri
warui neko-chan wrote:
>
> Dimitri <pla...@the-spa.com> wrote:
> : Well, I'd disagree about the brilliance. I think he's an artist with a
> : perversely morbid and pedophilic nature. Nobody could put that much into
> : their work without actually experiencing those feelings in a very
> : existential manner.
> :
>
> If it makes you feel any better, I don't have any reason to think that Mr.
> Brown is going around grabbing little girls.
You don't have any reason to, nor any reason NOT to.
>
> Out of curiosity, do you think "perversely morbid and pedophilic nature" and
> "brilliant" are mutually exclusive?
>
I think the term 'brilliant' often has (in error) celebratory and
inspirational connotations applied to it.
Brilliance has no direct effect to how one physically or emotionally
interacts with the world.
Pedophilia and necrophilia however, are another story.
And if you guys think it's "kewl" or whatever- well...hey, to each their
own thrills. Personally, I don't get off by seeing a collection of
images showing women or children in defenseless positions of rape,
torture, mutilation as Mr Brown creates. What's cool about it? Let's
hear about how artistic he is. Surely so. But art is not for art's sake
but about content. And that's my point.
I would venture however that if you've ever looked into the innocent
eyes of your own loving baby, have seen REAL dead children, or maybe
lost one of your own, or had one of your own sexually abused by a
stranger, then maybe it wouldn't be so 'COOL'.
Just my opinion.. it's some sick crap from a sick man.
Enjoy, you can have it.
KITTY
>own thrills. Personally, I don't get off by seeing a collection of
>images showing women or children in defenseless positions of rape,
>torture, mutilation as Mr Brown creates.
Don't look at it then..Geeze..Sorry for linking it..
>Let's
>hear about how artistic he is.
Art to a lot of people is- "Doing whatever the hell you want-freedom
etc.etc."...I truely admire people who can break free of social/cultural norms
and create whatever they want..No matter what the concequences or intent...as
long as it doesn't harm me in anyway.( Cliche'- Mapelthorpe, Serrano, Diane
Arbus, etc etc. ) Looking at something or hearing something does not have the
power to harm me..
I personally feel that pedophiles, rapists and sexual predators are sick messed
up people..I've done my fair share of non-profit work for organizations that
combat the after effects of sexual abuse..Not that that really means anything.
You'll just have to take my word that by "liking" the work of Trevor Brown..I
am not condoning raping kids..I like a lot of SKULL /GORE oriented artwork as
well..This does not mean I kill people, Or think its cool when people are
killed and/or murdered...I personally know a handful of people who have been
molested and/or raped. A lot of good people that are gonna be messed up for the
rest of thier lives because of it...I do not think it is cool to live in
personal and mental torment.
Trevor Browns work revolves heavily around S and M culture. Torture, Pain etc.
etc are all very erotic to people who are involved with this culture.
All of his portrayals of "girls" have very ADULT characteristics...I've never
viewed his stuff as pedophilic or whatever. I've always seen it as more of a
portrayal of women in a powerless, innocent state...Which in turn ties in with
the whole bondage thing..and the culture that his work centers around. No, this
is not a nice subject. Its not a walk in the park or a nice impressionist
painting...But neither was Bosch.
I can truely see where you are coming from..I mean. His stuff is definitly
crazy and weird and demented and all of that...And I can understand how it
would be taken as the work of a pedophile. I'm sure the guy gets that a
lot...and who knows?? maybe he is?? I don't know the guy??
I would just like to clear my name from this thread before some kind of bizarre
scarlet letter witch hunt takes place..After all, I am the sickie that linked
the page to start the thread to link the page to blah blah blah...Whoo hoo..
KITTY
>rocking.
Ha..Yeah....I like the black ones.. I collect all kinds of junk..Masks, toys,
old electronic musical gear...I've been on this voodoo kick lately. Got all
kinds of weird stuff in New Orleans..
Is this guilt by
>association, or just him finding a market for his work?
>
Oh geeze..I just wrote my thoughts on this subject on another post...Ha..
Dimitri
KITTY wrote:
>
> >And if you guys think it's "kewl" or whatever- well...hey, to each their
> >own thrills. Personally, I don't get off by seeing a collection of
> >images showing women or children in defenseless positions of rape,
> >torture, mutilation as Mr Brown creates.
>
> Don't look at it then..Geeze..Sorry for linking it..
No Kitty, I can't say I wasn't curious to see this guys work. I was just
turned off by it. I've been this route before and I never found anything
redeeming from this genre-not for me anyways.
>
> >Let's
> >hear about how artistic he is.
>
> Art to a lot of people is- "Doing whatever the hell you want-freedom
> etc.etc."...I truely admire people who can break free of social/cultural norms
> and create whatever they want..No matter what the concequences or intent...as
> long as it doesn't harm me in anyway.( Cliche'- Mapelthorpe, Serrano, Diane
> Arbus, etc etc. ) Looking at something or hearing something does not have the
> power to harm me..
I'm with you on there with breaking out of the creative box stuff and
freedom. And that's why I tend to break out of my personal 'box' when
considering who may be harmed by issues, though ones that don't affect
me personally.
> Trevor Browns work revolves heavily around S and M culture. Torture, Pain etc.
> etc are all very erotic to people who are involved with this culture.
> All of his portrayals of "girls" have very ADULT characteristics...I've never
> viewed his stuff as pedophilic or whatever. I've always seen it as more of a
> portrayal of women in a powerless, innocent state...Which in turn ties in with
> the whole bondage thing..and the culture that his work centers around. No, this
> is not a nice subject. Its not a walk in the park or a nice impressionist
> painting...But neither was Bosch.
It depends on what the message. You mention personal torment of victims.
Who's the victim here- Trevor? I would take that guess. And if his work
hung as exhibition in a psyche ward or displayed amongst the pages of a
psychology book it would probably be valued more in that context.
I didn't find the work (and I looked at all of it believe me) to be
anything more than appealing to same minds. Not that art HAS to show
social injustices or paradoxical stereotyping, emotional appeal, and so
forth, but to me, this stuff was more a raw, almost voyeuristic,
microscope view into a demented mind. Not my cup , but that's just me.
Into the file drawer this one goes, along with those death videos from
Block Buster. Weehoo (I guess)
>
> I can truely see where you are coming from..I mean. His stuff is definitly
> crazy and weird and demented and all of that...And I can understand how it
> would be taken as the work of a pedophile. I'm sure the guy gets that a
> lot...and who knows?? maybe he is?? I don't know the guy??
> I would just like to clear my name from this thread before some kind of bizarre
> scarlet letter witch hunt takes place..After all, I am the sickie that linked
> the page to start the thread to link the page to blah blah blah...Whoo hoo..
> -kitty
No, no way Kitty. Hey, it's only me, nobody. I understand where you are
with this. I respect you. It's just two different perspectives, both
personally valid.
Take care.
meow.
> KITTY's WEBSITE
> http://www.imbalance.net/kitty/
--
KITTY
>with this. I respect you. It's just two different perspectives, both
>personally valid.
ha..I understand..Cool Brotha'
-kitty
warui neko-chan
I actually don't have a lot to add to this discussion at this point, but I
did want to clear up one thing:
:> : Well, I'd disagree about the brilliance. I think he's an artist with a
:> : perversely morbid and pedophilic nature. Nobody could put that much into
:> : their work without actually experiencing those feelings in a very
:> : existential manner.
:> :
:>
:> If it makes you feel any better, I don't have any reason to think that Mr.
:> Brown is going around grabbing little girls.
: You don't have any reason to, nor any reason NOT to.
Actually, from everything I have read about AND by Mr. Brown, I have plenty
of reason NOT to think he's going around grabbing little girls. My other
comment was sincere, not just pulled out of my ass for no reason.
Obviously, there's a lot of art out there that's as gross as possible
MERELY for shock value. I don't think Trevor Brown's stuff falls into that
category at all. Obviously, you disagree. I'm not really sure what the point
of continuing the conversation is at this point.
: eyes of your own loving baby, have seen REAL dead children, or maybe
: lost one of your own, or had one of your own sexually abused by a
: stranger, then maybe it wouldn't be so 'COOL'.
And this is a cheap shot.
Kat
done with this
Dimitri
If a 'cheap-shot' hit's a sensitive target, then that's where one should
be searching to find their own truths to begin with.
mla...@my-deja.com
Not related to what you are talking about ... I am new to this news
group and visit your site, but nothing came up with JavaScript enabled.
So I view the source on your site with this result:
<html>
<head>
<script language="JavaScript" src="random.js">
</script>
</head>
<body bgcolor="#000000" text="#FFFFFF">
<p align="center">
<p align="center">
<p align="center"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif"><b>preparing
for random kitty fun...</b></font>
</body>
</html>
Why don't you close your <p> tags?(WYSIWYG?) My browser(NS 4.7) choked
and will not execute your script. I would mail to your private email
but you don't seem to have one.
Michael.
KITTY
?? I've tested this thing on every browser I have access to..and it works
flawlessly on all of them...I'll hit it with Netscape 4.7 today..ok...
thanks for the heads up..
-kitty
KITTY
KITTY
Whoa shit..Yeah..my site doesn't work in 4.7...Any suggestions?? My email
address is iiii6...@aol.com. thats 4 eyes 3 sixes and eyes..
rock,
Limelight
It's not only stupid, it's absolutely PATHETIC. I'd complain to Netscape
about it. Good Luck.
--
Helen
Limelight
mla...@my-deja.com
Why would you complain about this? ... The <p> tag was not closed ...
this is a syntax error ...
mla...@my-deja.com
That's your real email address?! I thought it was a fake. Simply close
the paragraph tags. Add </p></p></p> before </body>.
warui neko-chan
:>So I view the source on your site with this result:
: ?? I've tested this thing on every browser I have access to..and it works
: flawlessly on all of them...I'll hit it with Netscape 4.7 today..ok...
: thanks for the heads up..
I've had no problems with NS4.7 on a Mac...
Kat
bored as fuck at work
warui neko-chan
: 4.7...
:>
:> It's not only stupid, it's absolutely PATHETIC. I'd complain to
: Netscape
:> about it. Good Luck.
:>
:> --
:> Helen
:> Limelight
:>
:>
: Why would you complain about this? ... The <p> tag was not closed ...
: this is a syntax error ...
Not to nitpick, but I've always read that </P> was optional...
Of course, that doesn't mean it's NOT the reason KITTY'S page won't work
for you, but...
Kat
confused now
Limelight
--
Helen
Limelight
<mla...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>
> Why would you complain about this? ... The <p> tag was not closed ...
> this is a syntax error ...
>
> Michael.
KITTY
>> Why would you complain about this? ... The
>> this is a syntax error ...
>>
>> Michael.
For some reason I did not get this message??? Yes all the tags are closed..I
will even send you the file..I am not sure what netscape is doing to it?? The
only thing I do not have included is a TITLE TAG..
Angela M. Cable
/P is optional. It is however, a good idea to start using the /P as XML
requires that every open tag have a closing tag. I expect the problem
is in the javascript, IE does that same thing with javascript that it
does with HTML, it'll plod through the worst code and attempt to display
something. Hmmmm...I'm running NN 4.72, hitting reload just fixed the
problem, strange. Is there a document.write function in that code
maybe?
mla...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> In article <20000802093744...@ng-cg1.aol.com>,
> iiii6...@aol.comKITTY (KITTY) wrote:
> > >>So I view the source on your site with this result:
> >
> > Whoa shit..Yeah..my site doesn't work in 4.7...Any suggestions?? My
> email
> > address is iiii6...@aol.com. thats 4 eyes 3 sixes and eyes..
> > rock,
> > -kitty
> > KITTY's WEBSITE
> > http://www.imbalance.net/kitty/
> >
>
> That's your real email address?! I thought it was a fake. Simply close
> the paragraph tags. Add </p></p></p> before </body>.
>
> Michael.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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