Transparent .gif question
Sh...@thrillofthechase.biz
I'm new to this group and, indeed, relatively new to web design.
I put up a website for my boss's limousine service.
We sent a stock pic of a limo to a photo finishing company and had them
superimpose a bride and groom's hands on the side.
Cool little gimic.
I took the jpeg they gave us and put it up on the site.
I now understand that I need to make the background transparent to get
rid of the white box background.
I am testing out Corel PSP 10. I have a few problems that I need
answers to, if you would be so kind.
The url to the pic is here:
http://www.yourweddinglimo.com/limopic4google/limopic4google.htm
1. Can I make the white background transparent if the car is white as
well or do I need to make it a different color?
2. When I open the jpeg in psp the program sees the photo and the
background as the entire background. Does this mean that I have to cut
the image out from the white background of the jpeg?
3. If so, what's the best tool to use?
I think that these are the only questions I have so far.
I thank you much, in advance, for your help.
Shawn
woods
"Sh...@Thrillofthechase.biz" <Sh...@Thrillofthechase.biz> wrote:
this will only work if the image is a png file.
you could do it as a gif, but the image will look crap.
the real question is why you want the background transparent and what
you're trying to achieve.
Sh...@thrillofthechase.biz
Shawn
woods
"Sh...@Thrillofthechase.biz" <Sh...@Thrillofthechase.biz> wrote:
> I just want a picture of the limo without the white box around it.
>
> Shawn
that doesn't explain what you're trying to do....
transparent for what reason?. if not white it has to be some color?
Onideus Mad Hatter
Unless it's many colors, like it's on top of another photo...or on top
of a linear gradient. Personally, I haven't the bother to answer this
guys question for free, but if he pays me $25 I'll create it for him,
either as a PNG file (with cross compatible code included) or as a
Flash file image (the better, imho, way of creating cross compatible
alpha transparent images...although there are some issues with FF
regarding iframe usage in conjuction with such methodology).
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<inezhsmit...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Hi Shawn,
>
>A transparent PNG would work, as woods says, but isn't supported by some
>browsers. There's some kind of scripting out ther to force IE to use the
>PNG, but I don't have the link to it.
LA LA LA...CONNECT THE DOTS...LA LA LA...
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/transmove/
>What color background do you want to put the image over?
How do you know it's a single color? Maybe he's using a gradient...or
some kind of photo.
>It's very hard to make a transparent GIF look good on a multi-color or
>gradient background.
...not necessarily. I mean, if you know what you're doing it's not
all that hard...if you don't know what you're doing...yeah just forget
about it. The downside though with single color transparent GIFs is
that you're pretty much restricted to one color for background
matching. So like if you used white as your primary background color
the image would like okey dokey on either white or any light/pastel
color, but then it wouldn't look okay on any sort of dark background,
black being the worst.
>It needs a matte color that can blend to the background of the page.
>Also, GIFs are indexed color,
Indexed color? Oh, you mean palette based. LOL...you book learnin
types, I just don't get you.
>so if you force a reduced size through code it'll most likely look
>like hell. You can try this one, resized with a matte color that
>comes close to that area of the page:
>imagessence.com/imageviewer/limo.gif
>Looks like hell over white ofcourse, but try it on your home page
>background and see how it works. Use the actual image size though,
>360X106
Bleh, that looks like crap...dis is teh betta, yo:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/limo/
If'n teh d00d wants it, it's gonna cost him twe'ny fie dolla...j00 no
have twe'ny fie dolla, j00 no can have...none for j00, go, look but no
touchy.
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Onideus Mad Hatter
<use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote:
>Bleh, that looks like crap...dis is teh betta, yo:
>http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/limo/
>
>If'n teh d00d wants it, it's gonna cost him twe'ny fie dolla...j00 no
>have twe'ny fie dolla, j00 no can have...none for j00, go, look but no
>touchy.
Oh, btw, I would have included overlaying the bride and grooms hands
on teh door along with making teh background transparent...of course,
you've already had it done so I guess it's a moot point...hope you
didn't get charged much for it! ^_^
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Shawn at
>On 3/14/06 5:52 PM, Sh...@Thrillofthechase.biz commented:
>
>A transparent PNG would work, as woods says, but isn't supported by some
>browsers. There's some kind of scripting out ther to force IE to use the
>PNG, but I don't have the link to it.
>
>make a transparent GIF look good on a multi-color or gradient background. It
>needs a matte color that can blend to the background of the page. Also, GIFs
>likely look like hell. You can try this one, resized with a matte color that
>comes close to that area of the page: imagessence.com/imageviewer/limo.gif
>Looks like hell over white ofcourse, but try it on your home page background
>and see how it works. Use the actual image size though, 360X106
>
>
>
Thanks to all. I have had my questions answered.
As I said, I'm new to this.
I didn't realize that I needed to define the color that is transparent.
The limo sits on a purple-ish background.
I specified that when I exported to the .gif file and it works fine.
It will need a little fine tuning, but...
Thanks to those who offered help.
I'm just trying to get the job done and improve my skills in the process.
BTW, a nice gentleman on another NG created it, posted it and offered it to
me for free!! Being that I knew what the background color needed to be, mine
came out a little better, but it was a generous offer.
I was a bit taken aback when someone offered to charge me $25 to make it for
me. I didn't ask for someone to do my work for me. I just asked for advice,
for theory. I realize that we all need to make money whenever we can, but if
one is proficient in PSP (which is the app I used) or another app this "job"
is a mere few seconds of work. Once you know the procedure, really, the
software does all the work.
Maybe I'm wrong, and please forgive me if I am, but it seemed a bit petty.
Thanks again.
Shawn
Onideus Mad Hatter
<Shawn(at)gobrainstorm.net> wrote:
>Thanks to all. I have had my questions answered.
>As I said, I'm new to this.
>I didn't realize that I needed to define the color that is transparent.
>The limo sits on a purple-ish background.
>I specified that when I exported to the .gif file and it works fine.
>It will need a little fine tuning, but...
>
>Thanks to those who offered help.
>I'm just trying to get the job done and improve my skills in the process.
>
>BTW, a nice gentleman on another NG created it, posted it and offered it to
>me for free!! Being that I knew what the background color needed to be, mine
>came out a little better, but it was a generous offer.
Let's see it!
>I was a bit taken aback when someone offered to charge me $25 to make it for
>me. I didn't ask for someone to do my work for me. I just asked for advice,
>for theory. I realize that we all need to make money whenever we can, but if
>one is proficient in PSP (which is the app I used) or another app this "job"
>is a mere few seconds of work. Once you know the procedure, really, the
>software does all the work.
It's not really so much about the time it takes so much as the
expertise and time it took to learn how to do it in the first place.
I'd like to see your final version of the graphic if you don't
mind...I'd be willing to bet that it's far from perfect...perfection
is what $25 will get you. I usually offer because sometimes there are
people who don't really know what they're doing, who convince other
people that they do, but then wind up talking themselves into a corner
when they can't deliver what's been asked of them...in events like
that they can turn to someone like me and avoid being exposed as a
poser. That's not to say you're in that position, I have no idea one
way or another, that's why I generally will make such an offer to
anyone who starts askin questions like yours.
>Maybe I'm wrong, and please forgive me if I am, but it seemed a bit petty.
...if some fuckin poser talks himself into a hole cause he's going
around pretending to be something he's not I've got no qualms about
charging him $25 or more so he can try and save a lil face. You can
call it petty if you like, I call it business. Someone of my caliber
DOES NOT work for free...unless maybe you're some major corp entity
and I'm lookin to pump up my portfolio a bit.
Onideus Mad Hatter
<use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote:
>Let's see it!
Nevermind, I found it. o_O
You wanna see what $25 gets you?
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Usenet/What_25_Dollars_Gets_You.png
And actually, the logo would look even better, that's just what I like
to call a "37 Second Mockup". ^_^
Hunter Elliott
"Shawn" <Shawn(at)gobrainstorm.net> wrote in message
news:woqdnf4V4_4...@brainstorminternet.net...
Shawn, you might also want to visit the news server cnews.corel.com and
visit the various PSP newsgroups there. Lots of activity specifically for
that app there.
Onideus Mad Hatter
<inezhsmit...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Hi Shawn,
>
>You're still reducing the size by way of code and it's giving it that jaggy
>look at the edges. Reduce the actual image down to the size you intend to
>display it at and then change th matte color and those jaggies should go
>away,
Um...no, actually. It might look ~less~ jagged, but if you're going
the way of transparent gif it's STILL going to look jagged on his
particular gradient like background.
>plus it will load faster in the browser. Then do the same for your
>header and your floral clipart. BTW, I also supplied a free one in my
>previous post (above) as an example. You can also see it here with your
>background for the sake of comparison:
>http://www.imagessence.com/imageviewer/gif.html
>
>inez
>
>PS_No, I haven't stolen your background, just linked to it temporarily. I'll
>be taking my versions offline by end of day.
Your version still looks jagged (although not as bad as the
original)...and you've still got a lot of color/quality loss. The
whole point of using gif doesn't make much sense anyway, might as well
just make it a solid jpg/png and use CSS positioning to make sure it's
aligned right on the background. Further, on the background image,
it's WAY bigger than it needs to be, it should be cut down and then a
gaussian blur of say 5 or 7 should be applied to it in order to get
rid of all that grungy lookin garbage and pixelization...further I'd
cut it's width down after to 1 pixel and then just replicate as
needed, it'll save on save and will look just as good (provided you do
it right).
Shawn at
>Hi Shawn,
>
>You're still reducing the size by way of code and it's giving it that jaggy
>look at the edges. Reduce the actual image down to the size you intend to
>display it at and then change th matte color and those jaggies should go
>away, plus it will load faster in the browser. Then do the same for your
>header and your floral clipart. BTW, I also supplied a free one in my
>previous post (above) as an example. You can also see it here with your
>background for the sake of comparison:
>http://www.imagessence.com/imageviewer/gif.html
>
>inez
>
>PS_No, I haven't stolen your background, just linked to it temporarily. I'll
>be taking my versions offline by end of day.
Hey, Inez!
Very cool of you!
We've been fighting with those little jaggies for some time.
The pic looks great in a pic viewer on a local machine.
Then when we upload it to our site it looks like that.
You've been a great help. I appreciate it.
I will keep studying and learning.
To the Hatter.
I see your point but contend as follows.
I have been a guitarist for 30+ years.
I've been teaching for 16.
I get $30 per hour to teach and my band gets between 1 & 3K per night to do a
wedding. I do not work for free... usually.
If someone sends me an email or I get a quick call asking a simple question
about theory or equipment I am more than willing to offer advice. Certainly
I'll only go so far. When it get to then point that I'm teaching a bonafide
lesson I'll cut them off and suggest the take formal lessons.
Just a thought.
Thanks again to all.
Shawn
Onideus Mad Hatter
I'm not offering help or lessons, I'm offering a final, perfected
product. In order for you to be able to achieve that same level of
perfection you would need far more than just lessons...hell, I could
probably write a 500 page book just on what I know about image
encoding methodology alone.
The question is whether you want a professional level site or you want
a site that's all hokey pokey, if you want a professional level site,
or professional level graphics at the least...well that costs money.
I'm simply keeping your options open, you're more than welcome to
continue playing...although, if I was a potential customer and I went
to your current site...yeah I'd keep looking. But then again,
depending on where you're located Internet presence may not be all
that important (more of a novelty than a resource). *shrugs*
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Shawn at
>Your version still looks jagged (although not as bad as the
>original)...and you've still got a lot of color/quality loss. The
>whole point of using gif doesn't make much sense anyway, might as well
>just make it a solid jpg/png and use CSS positioning to make sure it's
>aligned right on the background. Further, on the background image,
>it's WAY bigger than it needs to be, it should be cut down and then a
>gaussian blur of say 5 or 7 should be applied to it in order to get
>rid of all that grungy lookin garbage and pixelization...further I'd
>cut it's width down after to 1 pixel and then just replicate as
>needed, it'll save on save and will look just as good (provided you do
>it right).
OP here.
I certainly don't have your expertise or your eye, but, fwiw, it looks damn
good to me!
Shawn
Onideus Mad Hatter
Yes, well, you thought the way you originally had it was workin pretty
good too. Some people have an eye for quality, others don't. A lot
of times it can depend on how much training/experience you have in
analyzing graphics, video, etc.
As an example, I'll offer up something that I used in other discussion
(where this d00d was trying to figure out what format would be best
for his images):
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Usenet/Comparison.png
Now, 10 to 1 says a guy like you won't really be able to tell the
pallete based image apart from the two true color based renditions.
From your perspective I'm sure all three look very much the same...but
to a trained artist, or someone with an eye for quality...yeah,
there's a BIG difference.
Sh...@thrillofthechase.biz
is only important to those who are care about pixel to pixel
differences in pics.
I see a difference between the pallet based one and the other two.
I do not see any difference between the two true color images.
I'm a pretty logical guy and with my glasses on I have pretty good
vision.
So, if there is really any difference between the two, it is so minute
that 99.9% of the general public would never notice, nor would they
care.
As a guitar player I agonize over my solos making sure that they say
what I want them to say intellectually and emotionally.
Much of that work is completely lost on those who are impressed when
anyone butchers "Eruption" or the "It's got a good beat. I give it a
10" crowd.
To that end I see your point.
Even considering the above, I still fine tune my solos for the .1% of
audience members who understand it and, of course, for myself.
All hail! Disco is dead!!
Now we just have to get rid of Madonna!
Shawn
Onideus Mad Hatter
<Sh...@Thrillofthechase.biz> wrote:
>Yeah. You know what this is going to be? It's going to be nuance that
>is only important to those who are care about pixel to pixel
>differences in pics.
No, it really isn't. Like I said, some people have an eye for
quality, others don't. Often times it doesn't even have to do with
being an artist or someone who has enough experience where they notice
stuff like that. A lot of times for those that don't notice it has to
do with either individual vision impairments or what I call "lowered
expectations". Some people just have "lowered expectations"...the
problem is that once someone sets the bar a lil higher and the
individual is exposed to that level for any length of time, that's
what they expect to see as "professional".
I mean, let's compare:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Usenet/Limo_Compare.png
Are you honestly saying that you cannot notice a difference between
those two quality wise?
And the quality issue is not just a single aspect either, most often
it's a collection of aspects. It's sort of like if you didn't brush
your teeth so well people probably won't think you have poor
hygiene...but then if you also don't comb your hair, don't clip your
finger nails, don't use deodorant, wear shitty clothes...yeah, people
might start to talk.
Your site, in its current form, is exactly like that. There are so
many ~little~ things wrong with it that it just comes across as being
low ball. Whether you want to talk about the jagged lookin pictures,
or funny square white box around your logo, or the cruddy lookin
background graphic that's got all sorts of pixel noise in it, or the
navigation, the alignment, the color composition, the loading times,
etc, etc, etc. You see, it all adds up.
And the problem with web design is if any of your customers have been
to a website that looks more professional than yours...yeah, they're
gonna think yer just some cheap ass outfit who couldn't afford a real
website and tried to DIY with limited skills and
understanding...which, btw, is true. *shrugs*
You need to think more about what your customers are going to think
when they go to your site and less about how great you feel about
yourself because you learned some trick in PSP that any 1st year
graphic design student already knows about. Yes, learning can be fun,
and I'm sure putting on your pull-ups makes you feel like a "big kid",
but the fact is no one, least of all your customers, is going to be
all that impressed by your personal accomplishments.
Your customers are not going to be thinking about you personally,
they're not going to think, "Hey that Shawn didn't know ANYTHING about
designing web pages a couple months ago and, WOW, look at what he can
do now!" They're gonna be thinkin, "Man this doesn't look like the
kinda quality I would expect to see if I went to like the Ford
website...I guess these guys are just some hole in the wall, 'mom &
pop' operation...think I'll go see if I can find someone a lil more
professional."
>I see a difference between the pallet based one and the other two.
Is it a big difference to you, or a little difference?
>I do not see any difference between the two true color images.
Well I should hope not, the point with the true color images was that
I was taking the original posters true color jpg image and then
compressing it to take up less space without losing any noticeable
level of quality.
That happens to be one of my specialties...taking images and code that
bloat and making them streamlined and quick loading.
SpaceGirl
Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> I'm not offering help or lessons, I'm offering a final, perfected
> product.
Yeah? Who were you thinking of doing it for you then? ;)
*ducks*
Sh...@thrillofthechase.biz
>those two quality wise?
I can see a difference between the two cars. I could not see a
difference between the two true color "CSI" pics.
I also see your point about the little things on our website. I am a
newby in this industry and, frankly, I think it's pretty good for a
first time. We've had many compliments from folks in our market. I
will continue to get better.
What do you see is wrong with our navigation?
>You need to think more about what your customers are going to think
>when they go to your site...
Dude! We racked our fucking brains trying to put ourselves in our
customer's shoes, and I think we did a pretty good job, content-wise.
Sure, the pics aren't up to your standards, but I doubt if that scares
away as many people as you think it does.
>Yes, learning can be fun, and I'm sure putting on your pull-ups makes you feel like a >"big kid"...
Whew! BMOC!!
There you go beating up on the newbie. You must be so proud.
Thanks for your help, if that's what you want to call it.
Please don't help me any more.
Shawn
mug...@hotmail.com
shit, hatter your not a good designer your a fucking fat loser.
your asswater productions site shows no sign of any talent, and that
example for this dudes limo pic was a fucking awful. now, go look for a
proper chin
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Photos/Workin_05.jpg
and remember, carry on eating cakes and its diabetes and lower life
expectancy for you!
Sh...@thrillofthechase.biz
I wasn't going to say anything because, at the time, I didn't want to
offend Hatter.
Now I'm not worried about it.
Originally I thought that the picture sent by Inez was every bit as
good, if not better, than Hatter's. Unfortunately my big screen
monitor took a dive and now I'm down to a 15 inch.
I can't really see a difference now.
Certainly Hatter's is no better and Inez put his up free of charge
complete with advice on how to create it.
No, I'm not just going to plaster that up on my website. I'm going to
take Inez' advice and learn how to create it myself.
The original intent of my post was just for advice. Inez provided that
in addition to offering an example.
My hat's off to him and Hatter's off to the killfile.
Onideus Mad Hatter
<Sh...@Thrillofthechase.biz> wrote:
Hey Shawn, make sure you've got your blinders on EXTRA tight, mmmkay?
Oh, btw, I realize the need to try and "get back at me" and all, but
uh...you should keep in mind that the guy you're replying to is a scam
artist who tries to pass off cookie cutter designs that someone else
made as his own. He blatantly lies to his clients (or rather he would
if he actually had any) and attempts to make money off other peoples
art.
Oh, by the by:
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
Scroll down to monitor resolution. Usually those with a 800x600 res
are using a 15" monitor...that's only 20% of your potential user base.
The other 80% or going to think your car graphic looks like shit
(which it does). Further, you again miss the point, that it's not
JUST the image, it's all SORTS of little things. My point is that if
you're not going to take the bother to try and fix all the other
problems you should at the very least try and present some high
quality, professional level graphics to try and make up for it...or
don't. Like I said, you seem more interested in your own dribbling
accomplishments than you do in what your customers are going to think.
Tell me, in the area you're in, do you have any direct competition?
Thinkin I might put together a few website mockups...see if maybe
they're interested. Such a business. `, )
SpaceGirl
Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
That is VERY misleading. Almost all of the users who visit that site
are designers and developers. "Real Users" are something else :)
The claimed 25% of people using FireFox is just not true. While a LOT
of people have moved to FireFox, profiling of large commercial sites
(not techies sites) suggest the figure is more like 10%. But all stats
are pretty misleading as it totally depends on your site. A news site,
for example, may attract a wider range of browsers because it's likely
to get linked, blogged and visited by anyone. A corporate company site
is probably more likely to get office users and management types
visiting (so, I'd expect more IE hits). Trendy band sites are likely to
get more visits from people with JS and Flash and new-ish browsers
because of the average age of their demographic. And so on. Stats are
VERY misleading.
> Tell me, in the area you're in, do you have any direct competition?
> Thinkin I might put together a few website mockups...see if maybe
> they're interested. Such a business. `, )
I can only see the poor person visiting these sites loosing out either
way :)
Sh...@thrillofthechase.biz
>uh
Dude! You started it! I asked a perfectly reasonable question and you
insulted me like you do so many other folks.
I'm supposed to be happy about that?!
You may be able to offer a lot of help but if you're going to be an ass
in the process...
>you should keep in mind that the guy you're replying to is a scam
>artist who tries to pass off cookie cutter designs that someone else
>made as his own.
And just where did he steal the remake of my limo pic? There's no
other pic on the planet like it! He didn't steal it from you. He
posted his first.
AFA the quality of his work goes, the proof is in the pudding. Cut him
down all you like but your pic was no better than his.
> My point is that if you're not going to take the bother to try and fix all the other
> problems
Ah, but I am. That's why I posted my question, OBVIOUSLY! I'm
learning as I go, like most normal people do. I'm just not lucky
enough to be as good out of the gate as you evidently were. Woe is me.
>The other 80% or going to think your car graphic looks like shit (which it does).
Of course it does. Did I mention that I'm new to this? Hmmm, yes I
believe I did in my OP. Good for you. You noticed.
> you seem more interested in your own dribbling accomplishments than you do in what > your customers are going to think.
What a sorry life you must be living. To feel the need to pick a fight
with anyone and everyone for no good reason is really pretty sick.
You know nothing about where my interests lie.
If you can glean anything from my posts it's likely that I do care
about my quality of work and about my customers. To see anything other
than that is just illogical.
But, then logic isn't really relevant when the most important thing in
your life is finding fault in others.
Dude... seek counseling.
> Tell me, in the area you're in, do you have any direct competition?
Yeah, lots of it. We're holding our own. Again, we regularly get
compliments about this lousy website from both customers, return
customers, and our competition.
But, hell, what do they know?
>Thinkin I might put together a few website mockups...see if maybe they're interested.
Knock yourself out. I'm sure they could all use your help. I bet you
think their sites suck too.
So, yeah, our site's not perfect yet. We continue to work on it when
we're not providing the best damn limousine service around.
It will continue to get better and so will I.
And we aren't making enemys along the way.
Sadly, Hatter, you can't say that.
Again, please don't help me anymore.
Shawn
Onideus Mad Hatter
<Sh...@Thrillofthechase.biz> wrote:
>>Oh, btw, I realize the need to try and "get back at me" and all, but
>>uh
>Dude!
Where's my car?
>You started it!
No *YOU* did!
*sticks out tongue*
LOL
>I asked a perfectly reasonable question and you
>insulted me like you do so many other folks.
Oh, gee, stop teh whul fuckin wurld, j00 got insulted. *rolls eyes*
>I'm supposed to be happy about that?!
Fuck if I care. You can feel whatever the hell way you like about it,
they're you're feelings, not mine.
>You may be able to offer a lot of help but if you're going to be an ass
>in the process...
Sorry, but if yer lookin for some Disney derivative, G rated, child of
the 90s, teddy bear fuck of a reply yer readin the wrong post. I'd
suggest you go find yerself a Barney rehab clinic and get teh fuck off
Usenet before your tear streamed cheeks and incessant blubbering start
lowering the resale value of teh grid. Like it says in my .sig, I'm
an artist, not a professional. If you're looking for someone to hold
your fucking hand and give you some kind of a tutorial and coddle you
with praise about how AWESOME you are I'd suggest you go enroll in
some kind of a class, where yer payin the peeps to treat you that way.
Now, granted, there are a few peeps on Usenet who will sometimes go
out of their way to help ya out and you're more than welcome to only
read their posts and simply ignore teh peeps like me who haven't the
time, patience, nor the sanity to spare on some random stranger whose
lookin to be spoon fed...but then, you seem to have already FAILED in
that respect, what with how you couldn't get your blinders to work
right.
Free cl00, claiming to have put someone in your kill filter and then
turning right around replying to them REALLY makes you look like a
fuckin retard. Honestly, you NOT reading my posts and shutting
yourself the fuck up about them is of NO concern of mine, so if just
go right on ahead and do it, Kiddo.
>>you should keep in mind that the guy you're replying to is a scam
>>artist who tries to pass off cookie cutter designs that someone else
>>made as his own.
>And just where did he steal the remake of my limo pic? There's no
>other pic on the planet like it! He didn't steal it from you. He
>posted his first.
Not that guy! The guy you replied to in YOUR LAST POST (muggzy), not
the guy who made the other image for you. Yeesh, pay the fuck
attention.
>AFA the quality of his work goes, the proof is in the pudding. Cut him
>down all you like but your pic was no better than his.
No, mine was significantly better than his...although you're a lil
confused, I'm not attacking his ability, child. I'm sure he's
probably just as capable as I am when it comes to graphic art. The
difference is that he simply did what YOU suggested, so you didn't
REALLY learn anything. He didn't show you the proper way of doing it
(although I think he hinted at it at one point). Do you get me? It's
like you walked into a lumber yard, told the guy there that yer
buildin yerself a house and you want the cheapest lumber you can
get...and so the d00d workin there doesn't bother telling you that
building a house with the cheapest lumber is absolutely fucking
stupid, he simply brings it on out and says, "Here ya go, kid! Have
fun!"
>> My point is that if you're not going to take the bother to try and fix all the other
>> problems
>Ah, but I am.
I'll believe it when your site doesn't look like some tweenage muppet
fuck stain on some hit and run Geoshities account. Honestly, I've
seen Pokemon fan pages run by 9 year olds that look more professional
than yer current rendition. You've got a LOOONG way to go.
>That's why I posted my question, OBVIOUSLY!
Right, you want someone to just spoon feed you good design and proper
technique, I get that, but what I'm telling you is that you simply
aren't going to get that. Even from teh peeps who are being nice to
you and holding your hand you're not going to get that.
>I'm learning as I go, like most normal people do.
Now ya see, that's yer problem. Your using your company as a learning
tool...how does that seem like a good idea? I mean that'd be like me
saying, "Well, I'm kinda interested in carpentry...think maybe when I
build my corporate headquarters I'll go ahead and try and build it all
myself...I've never built anything in my life, but hey, why not
practice on my business? What could POSSIBLY go wrong with that?"
DUM, DUM, DUM, DUM!
>I'm just not lucky
>enough to be as good out of the gate as you evidently were. Woe is me.
Uh, no, I learned same as you...well not quite the same, I didn't
bother with the whole squawking at momma bird for regurgitated
textbook bullshit like you're doing, I learned on my own through
experimentation, trial and error, etc, etc. The difference being that
I didn't start doing any sort of business in the area until I was
actually good enough to compete on some sensible level. And I sure as
fuck didn't "practice" on other people's businesses...*shakes head*...
>> you seem more interested in your own dribbling accomplishments than you do in what > your customers are going to think.
>What a sorry life you must be living. To feel the need to pick a fight
>with anyone and everyone for no good reason is really pretty sick.
What a sorry life you must be living that you start retarding onto the
Inet looking for what you can't get in the real world. The Internet
is not and was never meant to meet your social needs, Sunshine. On
the Inet, where social needs have no relevancy (or at least they
shouldn't) one can communicate as freely as they like. Here there is
no such thing as a "negative response"...I don't know you, you don't
know me and because of the medium we're losing upwards of 90% of
communication. Because of those facts you need to just take
everything on the chin and stop acting like some lil drama queen.
Take what you want out of my posts, but remember that I don't know
you, don't care about you and therefore have absolutely ZERO interest
or intent in hurting your Internet feelings. My posting style is a
reflection of me and my character, it has NOTHING to do with the
person I'm replying to. Hells bells, Kiddo, I've replied to AUTOMATED
BOTS the same way that I'm replying to you right now, do you honestly
think I was trying to hurt the bots non-existence virtual feelings?
Just think about it.
>If you can glean anything from my posts it's likely that I do care
>about my quality of work and about my customers. To see anything other
>than that is just illogical.
...if you cared about your customers why wouldn't you hire someone
with the skills to make you a proper site?
>> Tell me, in the area you're in, do you have any direct competition?
>Yeah, lots of it. We're holding our own. Again, we regularly get
>compliments about this lousy website from both customers, return
>customers, and our competition.
>But, hell, what do they know?
...so uh...your competition...they like, what...call you up on the
phone to tell you what a GREAT site you have? *snicker*
...you know, if you're going to lie, you could at the very least try
and do a better job of it...seriously.
>>Thinkin I might put together a few website mockups...see if maybe they're interested.
>Knock yourself out. I'm sure they could all use your help. I bet you
>think their sites suck too.
Well I wouldn't be offering unless I thought I could make
improvements.
>So, yeah, our site's not perfect yet. We continue to work on it when
>we're not providing the best damn limousine service around.
...but you're not offering the best damn limousine service around. I
mean, it's like you can have a restaurant and you can serve "the best
damn" food around...but uh...not much good that's gonna do your
customers if your menu was "written" by a 2 year old with a box of
crayons.
>It will continue to get better and so will I.
>And we aren't making enemys along the way.
>
>Sadly, Hatter, you can't say that.
Yes well I'm an artist, Kiddo. I'm not wedging myself out to fit into
the cog of corporate kiss ass stupidity. I say fuck the norm, I'll
push my skills every gawd damn day, further and further, until I've
reached such a GOD LIKE level of absolute awe fucking inspiring
perfection that even my most retarded of "enemies" will have no choice
but to bow the fuck down to my work. Slurp it, suck it, I know you
all like it. `, )
>Again, please don't help me anymore.
You're more than welcome to stop reading and replying to my
posts...ANY time you like...no, seriously...any time...like right
now...stop reading...stop...why can't you stop...are you some kind of
a fucking freak I said STOP already!
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ą x ą
Hunter Elliott
"SpaceGirl" <nothespac...@subhuman.net> wrote in message
news:1142588543....@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> The claimed 25% of people using FireFox is just not true. While a LOT
> of people have moved to FireFox, profiling of large commercial sites
> (not techies sites) suggest the figure is more like 10%. But all stats
> are pretty misleading as it totally depends on your site.
for the sites I manage for the company I work for, I've seen FF usage to be
about 5% to 7%. And that surprised the hell out of the people here - they
are all stuck in an IE frame of mind.
> because of the average age of their demographic. And so on. Stats are
> VERY misleading.
very true :)
Connie Pierce
Elliott <nos...@gatewaycity.com> wrote:
> "SpaceGirl" <nothespac...@subhuman.net> wrote in message
> news:1142588543....@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > The claimed 25% of people using FireFox is just not true. While a LOT
> > of people have moved to FireFox, profiling of large commercial sites
> > (not techies sites) suggest the figure is more like 10%. But all stats
> > are pretty misleading as it totally depends on your site.
>
> for the sites I manage for the company I work for, I've seen FF usage to be
> about 5% to 7%. And that surprised the hell out of the people here - they
> are all stuck in an IE frame of mind.
Personally, I'm Safari. I like it better than IE and I've had problems
with Mozilla, so I won't be going back to them (it was on a PC though,
not my Mac).
What do you think the stats are for Safari? Just curious . . .
--
C Pierce
Creative Veritas
principal/designer
http://www.creativeveritas.com
*(Coming 2-1-2006)*
850 532 0835
Hunter Elliott
"Connie Pierce" <in...@pierceillus.com> wrote in message
news:170320060958284065%in...@pierceillus.com...
> Personally, I'm Safari. I like it better than IE and I've had problems
> with Mozilla, so I won't be going back to them (it was on a PC though,
> not my Mac).
>
> What do you think the stats are for Safari? Just curious . . .
well, for the main site I do at work, I don't see Safari in my top 50
browsers... unless it's IDing itself as AppleWebKit. If that's Safari, in
Jan '06 it was 1.6% of my traffic. For the "art" site for the company, the
AppleWebKit did 11.6% of the traffic... so as you can see, stats are going
to vary a lot depending on your demographics.
mug...@hotmail.com
Hey i think the world needs some more websites like yours hatter i mean
this one is a masterpiece
http://www.backwater-productions.net
and something on the same level for only the $750 you charge. Can i ask
you one question? are you a fucking blind fat pudding eating idiot? Why
are you so oblivious to how shit your site is as well as your examples
of work. And to top if off you post stupid messages putting down
everyone elses designs like your some sort of master? I think its
bizzare how you make this little world for yourself where you think the
stuff you do is good and everyone else's is shit. Maybe your fat
sausage fingers should flick through some design books instead of
replying to posts?
Shawn
>turning right around replying to them REALLY makes you look like a
>fuckin retard.
Man, in your world, everyone who isn't in your mirror looks like a
retard.
Admittedly, I had to read one more. I gave you one last chance to be
civil.
It was a wasted effort.
And sometimes I like a good fight, especially when I know I can win
with most of my brain tied behind my back.
But, I'm done now.
You're wasting my time.
My appologies to the group and to the world.
I'll feed the troll no longer.
Shawn
Shawn
You're welcome, and I'm so sorry.
There is so much to sort through on these ngs.
Not sure if that fact was obvious or not, but, if it was, I missed it.
Thanks again.
Shawn
Onideus Mad Hatter
<nothespac...@subhuman.net> wrote:
I was thinking about having your mom do it...she owes me you know.
Or I could hire on a cheap Mexican day laborer...of course, then it
would look just like your work and I don't think that'd be too great.
>*ducks*
*geese*
Fred Doyle
> I was thinking about having your mom do it...she owes me you know.
Yet more wet dreams over old ladies. Someone please alert the nursing homes
in his area. .
--
Fred Doyle
Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:
>"Onideus Mad Hatter" <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote
>
>> I was thinking about having your mom do it...she owes me you know.
>
>Yet mo<COCK SLAP>
Look, Freddyboi, I realize my having sex with your mother is really
bothering you and all, but you need to stop obsessing over this.
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm น x น
Fred Doyle
>Yet mo<COCK SLAP>
> Look, Freddyboi, I realize my having sex with your mother is really
> bothering you and all, but you need to stop obsessing over this.
Please son, the only way you are going to get better, move on from your
fantasies about old ladies and have a real relationship in your life, is to
admit your mom's been abusing you.
Think about it. No more cock fantasies, no more fantasizing about old
ladies. Its not your fault.. Matt, it is time to help yourself. Just write
it here and admit it. Then the healing can begin. Maybe, someday, an
apartment of your own and a real job. A life!
Keep the dialog alive, Matt. Every insight helps. Small steps Matt, but it
is a beginning. You can do it.
--
Fred Doyle
Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:
>"Onideus Mad Hatter" <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote
>
>>Yet mo<COCK SLAP>
>
>> Look, Freddyboi, I realize my having sex with your mother is really
>> bothering you and all, but you need to stop obsessing over this.
>
>Plea<COCK SLAP>
*Checks Freddy boi's time stamp*
...have you waiting on the edge of your seat all day long just ITCHING
for my next reply?
Fred Doyle
> for my next reply?
>
No, was I supposed to? I'll try to be here when you are ready to talk about
that terrible situation of yours, but I can't promise.
--
Fred Doyle
Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:
>> ...have you waiting on the edge of your seat all day long just ITCHING
>> for my next reply?
>No, w<COCK SLAP>
That, my dear stupid, is the sound of a rhetorical question.
Fred Doyle
> That, my dear stupid, is the sound of a rhetorical question.
>
Umm, there are no sounds on a non-bianry newsgroup, now are there? (Seee,
THAT'S a rhetorical question, not what you wrote.)
--
Fred Doyle
"Onideus Mad Hatter" <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote in message
news:9u0p121a2vmj5tcgt...@4ax.com...
Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:
>> That, my dear stupid, is the sound of a rhetorical question.
>Umm, there a<COCK SLAP>
Did anyone ask you to try and justify your stupidity?
Oh hey, that's the sound of yet ANOTHER rhetorical question. ^_^
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ą x ą
Fred Doyle
Thanks for announcing it. You should probably do that every time. The way
you misuse the term, its hard to tell
--
Fred Doyle
Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:
>Thanks<COCK SLAP>
You don't have to thank me for pointing out your idiocy.
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm น x น
Fred Doyle
> You don't have to thank me for pointing out your idiocy.
I didn't. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, I can tell. What
school is that AA from?
Fred Doyle
SpaceGirl
Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> >Yeah? Who were you thinking of doing it for you then? ;)
>
> I was thinking about having your mom do it...she owes me you know.
hah!
> Or I could hire on a cheap Mexican day laborer...of course, then it
> would look just like your work and I don't think that'd be too great.
>
> >*ducks*
>
> *geese*
piggies
Connie Pierce
Hatter <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote:
> >Yeah? Who were you thinking of doing it for you then? ;)
>
> I was thinking about having your mom do it...she owes me you know.
Um, Hat . . . I think you're mistaken. It's *LARRY's* mom that owes
you - or have you forgotten the other night when you gave her a quick
throw and didn't charge her? Really, Hat . . . you should rethink the
charity cases you're supporting.
Fred Doyle
> Um, Hat . . . I think you're mistaken. It's *LARRY's* mom that owes
> you - or have you forgotten the other night when you gave her a quick
> throw
Well since Mike Christy is older than I am, his mom would be in Hatter's
target age group. For all we know, she could be dead, which would mean she
couldn't fight back, either, making her even more Hat's type. Alert the
nursing homes! Lock the funeral home doors!
--
Fred Doyle