Hi, I am new

[kvl]

My name is Karolina V. Linares.
I am a graphic artist and sign designer. Unlike most graphic artists I
use PC based programs such as CorelDraw and Adobe Illustrator. I know
many of you out there are going "BOOOOHHHHH!" But here is my
advantage... with a long career in the sign industry, I have expert
experience with fine vectorized images... (no overlaps- no strokes....
etc...) that kind of stuff doesn't work in the sign business,
especially with vinyl graphics.
I am looking to do freelance and or subcontractual design work for
anyone who needs support for a client that may need signs (of any kind)
designed. Many of the sign companies, especially in the USA, actually
use PCs to run their plotters and large format printers.
I have been in the sign industry for close to twenty years and hope to
offer my skills, knowledge and talent to some good repeat business
clients.

I am also an author and self published my first book this past
December, called "Use Cash To Buy It!"(c)2005.

Thanks
Karolina V. Linares
see my online portfolio:
http://www.usecashtobuyit.com/kvlgraphics.html

Browse my book site too:
http://www.usecashtobuyit.com
This is my first effort ever in designing my own website... it was fun!

[amgine]

>> I am a graphic artist and sign designer. Unlike most graphic artists I
>> use PC based programs such as CorelDraw and Adobe Illustrator. I know
>> many of you out there are going "BOOOOHHHHH!"
>
>

> whats wrong with PCs, Corel or Illustrator?

Nothing if you're a masochist.

That would be what I'd answer if you'd asked me in the 90s. I don't know
what they're like now for graphic work, I gave up on them over a decade ago,
at that time all three were dire. Our sign manufacturers all used corel and
illustrator on PC so I think this is the norm for the trade... just like
Quark on Mac is the norm for graphic designers. [grin] And, although
everybody hates it, Autocad seems to be the norm for architects/interior
designers up this way.

[SpaceGirl]

kvl wrote:
> My name is Karolina V. Linares.
> I am a graphic artist and sign designer. Unlike most graphic artists I
> use PC based programs such as CorelDraw and Adobe Illustrator. I know
> many of you out there are going "BOOOOHHHHH!" But here is my
> advantage... with a long career in the sign industry, I have expert
> experience with fine vectorized images... (no overlaps- no strokes....
> etc...) that kind of stuff doesn't work in the sign business,
> especially with vinyl graphics.
> I am looking to do freelance and or subcontractual design work for
> anyone who needs support for a client that may need signs (of any kind)
> designed. Many of the sign companies, especially in the USA, actually
> use PCs to run their plotters and large format printers.
> I have been in the sign industry for close to twenty years and hope to
> offer my skills, knowledge and talent to some good repeat business
> clients.

Most designers I know use Illustrator and PhotoShop on PCs (rather than
Macs)... so, no "booohhhh" from here :)

[kvl]

I must be in the dark about graphic designers using mostly Macs.
Throughout the time I spent in the sign industry, it really annoyed
artists from advertising agencies, graphic houses... etc, that we used
PCs in the sign industry. Many of them couldn't understand it.

Karolina V. Linares

[amgine]

It didn't annoy me that sign manufacturers went in for Illustrator and PCs
and so on, what /did/ get a bit tedious was the constant difficulty of
supplying a FreeHand file in a format that could be accepted into
Illustrator or Corel as a clean vector. It was similar to the difficulties
with foreign fonts when we did translation work, or getting a reasonable
file format out of Archiview or Archicad to work on in FreeHand etc. Not
always an insurmountable problem, but a problem all the same.

So, why don't you switch to a mac if you're annoying your customers by
remaining on a PC using Illustrator? All our print suppliers and
exhibitionists swing all ways on the issue of PC/Mac OS9/OSX so why not the
sign industry?

[amgine]

> I'm using Illustrator CS2 on a PC right now, for professional
> graphics, seems OK to me, and my vendors dont mind one bit. Corel is
> alright for various things.

Like I said, I gave up on these programs and PC some years ago when
Illustrator didn't offer the ability to work in preview mode... it was a
total pain having to flip between keyline and preview. And Corel on PC was
so slow it made my head ache. I still live with this prejudice, this is my
problem not anyone else's. All I can say is that I work on a mac and my
husband works on PC and he spends much of his time suffering with the
systems and programs. I've not had one virus or system failure since I got
my G4 all those years ago.

>>
>> just like
>> Quark on Mac is the norm for graphic designers. [grin]
>
>

> I gabe that up years ago. InDesign.

I wanted to drop Quark a while back [2002], but InDesign is annoyingly like
the early days of Illustrator - I found myself grinding my teeth when I had
to unlock things I wanted to use, rather than everything being available all
the time. Perhaps there's some kind of preference I have to *find* in order
to deselect this "option". I'm afraid I'm at an age and time in life when I
can't be bothered to fight with the machinery or GUI. Quark does everything
I need for page layout work, that's all it is after all. At least no one
here uses Publisher, now /that/ program is enough to make me hate Mr. Gates.
Can InDesign or Quark accept Publisher files?

[kvl]

Wow! It looks like I started a PC -vs- Mac war. I had no intentions of
doing that. I was hoping to let people know
that my experience in the sign industry, could be helpful to anyone in
this group as far as sign design is concerned.
The fact is there are some sign companies that use Macs now but mainly
for digital printing. Many of the sign industry software programs
(Gerber, SignLab, FlexiSign, SignWizard...) to run the various plotters
were all invented to work on PCs. It's been that way for twenty years
now. This was my only reason for mentioning it.
I've been using CorelDraw almost since it first came out, my first
version I owned was 3. I like to use both Corel and Adobe together with
the positive things both of them can do in combination. Of course my
final files are always in AI or EPS because they are more compatible
with importing. I want to learn more about InDesign, but havent' been
able to afford it yet.

Karolina V. Linares

[kvl]

Hi Inez,
I don't have any of the plotting or printing equipment. That would be
like trying to finance a luxury car for 10 years (LOL)
I do have various venders I can recommend for final work of signs and
large format printing. Especially in MD.

Thanks
Karolina

[amgine]

>> So, why don't you switch to a mac if you're annoying your customers by
>> remaining on a PC using Illustrator? All our print suppliers and
>> exhibitionists swing all ways on the issue of PC/Mac OS9/OSX so why not the
>> sign industry?
>
>

> thats putting the cart before the horse. You can send an Illustrator
> file, with the fonts outlined, to either PC or Mac, doesnt matter
> which platform originated the file. Vector is vector. Once you get
> past the operating system snobbery, you'll find the programs are
> virtually identical in operation, on either platform.
>
>
>

I have found that there was generally a bit of a difficulty in finding the
right export filter in FreeHand into Illustrator or CorelDraw. Of course
this could simply have been the limitations of FreeHand, or the limitations
of the operator. Like I said, it wasn't usually an insurmountable problem. I
was just wondering why it was always a problem with sign manufacturers and
not any other supplier, all other suppliers could take any file supplied and
work with it.

[amgine]

> you know, you sound like someone who is very resistant to change.
> InDesign practically revolutionized my workflow and literally changed
> the way I think about page and book layout, for the better.

No, I'm not resistant to change for the better, but I am resistant to change
for change's sake. I'm glad InDesign is your preferred interface but I'm
happy with Quark and see no real imperative to change. It's good that your
move from Quark to InDesign has made you think about page and book layout
for the better. I use Quark as a tool that's all.

I still have a wish list for Quark of course but some of that might have
been addressed in newer versions... you'll laugh but I'm still using Quark
4. I've got Quark 6.5 but I'm still happy to lay stuff out in 4. Eventually,
if I'm still graphic designing this time next year, I might go over to OSX
and give InDesign another try but there's nothing that's making this
necessary at the moment.

So, where do I find the preference that allows me to globally unlock the
layers palette? I think it was that palette I was having trouble with... it
seemed that, in order to place anything on a document page I had to unlock
each page. That can't be right.

[amgine]

> Wow! It looks like I started a PC -vs- Mac war.

LOL! Just playful banter.

> I had no intentions of
> doing that. I was hoping to let people know
> that my experience in the sign industry, could be helpful to anyone in
> this group as far as sign design is concerned.

Thanks. I'm doing some sign work at the moment so I might just take you up
on your offer at some point.

> I want to learn more about InDesign, but havent' been
> able to afford it yet.

I tried with InDesign last year but found that I didn't have the patience. I
normally have a lot of patience when it comes to testing software, I used to
love anything IT/new, so I put this down to the stresses I've been under of
late [since 2003]. I really wanted to like InDesign because I'd been getting
fed up with Quark's customer "care" attitudes.

[amgine]

> Have you ever had to call them and get "tech support"? ;-)

No. My version of Quark has never gone wrong. But, if their tech support is
anything like their customer service I'd be surprised if it was anything
better than dismal.

>> So, where do I find the preference that allows me to globally unlock the
>> layers palette? I think it was that palette I was having trouble with... it
>> seemed that, in order to place anything on a document page I had to unlock
>> each page. That can't be right.
>

> I'm not sure what you are referencing. what version of InDesign are
> you using? I dont have to "unlock" anything....

I had been using a borrowed early version at the time and I made notes, but
I'd have to dig out my notebooks to find the problem [I write down all my
tech issues as they happen, and their solutions when found].

Recently I bought a complete set of upgrades for Illustrator, FreeHand,
InDesign, PhotoShop, Quark, Word, DreamWeaver etc. It was my intention to
learn as much as possible about them all, but I'm afraid I can't work up the
necessary motivation right now. I'll get back to you when I find the
notebook and I have my version of InDesign in front of me.

[amgine]

>> I have found that there was generally a bit of a difficulty in finding the
>> right export filter in FreeHand into Illustrator or CorelDraw. Of course
>> this could simply have been the limitations of FreeHand, or the limitations
>> of the operator.
>

> I wasnt sure Freehand was used all that much anymore. We used version
> 3 and maybe 5, and 7 i think. In my lowly opinion, Illustrator
> eclipsed it years ago. One definite advantage of Illustrator, is
> world-wide acceptance of files. I've yet to find a vendor that would
> not take an all-vector Illustrator file, from Vancouver to Shanghai.
> Try that with Freehand or Corel. They are all good programs, but
> Illustrator has the edge in compatibility with vendors.

Yes, I heard/read that Illustrator is considered the industry standard
drawing package, now that FreeHand has been swallowed up by the mighty Adobe
I don't suppose it will be long for this world. This is another reason why I
bought all those upgrades, so that I could get a grip with Illustrator and
hang on to probably the last version of FreeHand.

On the whole I've only noticed issues with the sign trade when I use
FreeHand. I'm hoping the sign manufacturer my client commissions for the
signage I'm doing will be able to cope with the PhotoShop tiff or jpg and
FreeHand eps I supply. I expect some issues but I also expect they'll be
resolved.

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

On 23 May 2006 08:12:47 -0700, "kvl" <k...@usecashtobuyit.com> wrote:

>I must be in the dark about graphic designers using mostly Macs.

Well that depends on what sort of "designers" you're talking about.
If you're referring to the vast numbers of wannabe, coffee house
molesting, college flunkie, trend artists who churn out derivative
esque, carbon copy bullshit on a daily basis..then yeah, you'd be
right. Most REAL designers though use PCs...and mostly because of
hardware options. I mean ATI ports like...what, maybe 5 or 6 of their
cards to the Mac? Where as on teh PC you've got DOZENS upon DOZENS of
different options...and that's JUST with ATI. A lot of specialized
software is also only available on teh PC. If you're just using run
of the mill stuff like Adobe or Corel products they're ported to both
systems, so that's kind of a moot point. Any "designer" who only uses
like Adobe products on a Mac is simply a fucking idiot, plain and
simple. Because the bottom line is that they bought over priced
hardware to run software that would run just the same on a PC. And
the "I like teh Mac design" doesn't fly either since Windows has been
fully skinable since XP and the range of case modding options for teh
PC is light years beyond what there is for teh Mac.

>Throughout the time I spent in the sign industry, it really annoyed
>artists from advertising agencies, graphic houses... etc, that we used
>PCs in the sign industry. Many of them couldn't understand it.

Many of them were probably template pushing know nothings, probably
had some basic drawing ability, but absolutely no knowledge or
understanding in the realm of digital media encoding methodology or
other such technological principles. And that is where the real
problem lies, people who ARE NOT tech savvy attempting to do something
that REQUIRES being tech savvy. People like that are better off
sticking to paper and pencils and just staying the hell away from the
computer altogether. Leave that to the REAL (digital) artists.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ą x ą
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
-------------
"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

[Drew]

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> On 23 May 2006 08:12:47 -0700, "kvl" <k...@usecashtobuyit.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I must be in the dark about graphic designers using mostly Macs.
>
>
> Well that depends on what sort of "designers" you're talking about.
> If you're referring to the vast numbers of wannabe, coffee house
> molesting, college flunkie, trend artists who churn out derivative
> esque, carbon copy bullshit on a daily basis..then yeah, you'd be

Yawn.

There just tools.

D

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

Oh, there's my lil fan boi, tugging at my leg for a lil attention
again.

On a superficial understanding they are just tools...but then if
that's the analogy you want to use, well then the point simply shifts
to the fact that with the PC there are MORE tools to choose from.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm น x น

[Drew]

kvl wrote:

> My name is Karolina V. Linares.
> I am a graphic artist and sign designer. Unlike most graphic artists I
> use PC based programs such as CorelDraw and Adobe Illustrator. I know

Welcome Karolina,

Tell your parents hello for me. They must be pretty smart naming you
after such a wonderful state.

I've got a "C" I'll sell you.

I look forward to your contributions.

>
> I am also an author and self published my first book this past
> December, called "Use Cash To Buy It!"(c)2005.

I see you take credit cards for purchase. ;)

Drew

[Drew]

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

> On a superficial understanding they are just tools...but then if
> that's the analogy you want to use, well then the point simply shifts
> to the fact that with the PC there are MORE tools to choose from.

I disagree. Creative energy can be expressed with nothing more than
sand, rocks or sticks.

It's how you use your tools.

D

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

Try to make it in the graphic design world with nothing more than
sand, rocks and sticks, Drew, see how far you go.

>It's how you use your tools.

Wow, boy that's insightful, are you picking up tips out of fortune
cookies now? Or did you come up with that incredible revelation all
on your own?

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ą x ą

[amgine]

> with the PC there are MORE tools to choose from.

heehee.

Here's a question for all you PC folk out there. I have a mac on OS9 and I
use an Epson stylus photo 2100 via USB, it prints superbly no matter who
else is connected or what they're doing. My husband is on a PC running
Windows 2000 Pro, printing from FreeHand and he shares the same printer
using a parallel cable. Whenever I have my machine on and plugged into the
printer it makes his prints come out really feeble and solarized. I have to
unplug my USB cable and he has to reboot before he can control the printer
fully and get decent prints.

Anyone know what's happening?

[Decals]

Hi Karolina,

I have been doing Sign Designing for about 5 years now using OMEGA 2.5
Software, EDGE FX
printer and GSX 375 plotter for cutting, I have a ton of questions...lol

T

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[Drew]

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

> On Tue, 23 May 2006 20:39:26 GMT, Drew
> <whoisthat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>On a superficial understanding they are just tools...but then if
>>>that's the analogy you want to use, well then the point simply shifts
>>>to the fact that with the PC there are MORE tools to choose from.
>>
>>I disagree. Creative energy can be expressed with nothing more than
>>sand, rocks or sticks.
>
>
> Try to make it in the graphic design world with nothing more than
> sand, rocks and sticks, Drew, see how far you go.
>

Show me your paying clients. Pizza delivery tips don't count.

>
>>It's how you use your tools.
>
>
> Wow, boy that's insightful, are you picking up tips out of fortune
> cookies now? Or did you come up with that incredible revelation all
> on your own?

You my now call me, Mr. Insightful.

D
Karolina, meet our resident idiot/troll.

[CMP]

In article <70t672hdog65eljmb...@4ax.com>, Onideus Mad
Hatter <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 23 May 2006 20:39:26 GMT, Drew
> <whoisthat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On a superficial understanding they are just tools...but then if
> >> that's the analogy you want to use, well then the point simply shifts
> >> to the fact that with the PC there are MORE tools to choose from.
> >
> >I disagree. Creative energy can be expressed with nothing more than
> >sand, rocks or sticks.
>
> Try to make it in the graphic design world with nothing more than
> sand, rocks and sticks, Drew, see how far you go.
>
> >It's how you use your tools.
>
> Wow, boy that's insightful, are you picking up tips out of fortune
> cookies now? Or did you come up with that incredible revelation all
> on your own?

Yeesh, the tension between you guys!! : (
>
> --
>
> Onideus Mad Hatter
> mhm น x น

--
C Pierce

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

On Tue, 23 May 2006 19:16:10 -0500, CMP
<cmpi...@NOSPAMcreativeveritas.com> wrote:

>In article <70t672hdog65eljmb...@4ax.com>, Onideus Mad
>Hatter <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 23 May 2006 20:39:26 GMT, Drew
>> <whoisthat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> On a superficial understanding they are just tools...but then if
>> >> that's the analogy you want to use, well then the point simply shifts
>> >> to the fact that with the PC there are MORE tools to choose from.
>> >
>> >I disagree. Creative energy can be expressed with nothing more than
>> >sand, rocks or sticks.
>>
>> Try to make it in the graphic design world with nothing more than
>> sand, rocks and sticks, Drew, see how far you go.
>>
>> >It's how you use your tools.
>>
>> Wow, boy that's insightful, are you picking up tips out of fortune
>> cookies now? Or did you come up with that incredible revelation all
>> on your own?
>
>Yeesh, the tension between you guys!! : (

If there's tension I can assure you it's completely one sided, I'm
merely mocking my lil fan-addict. Why he constantly feels the need to
go around replying to my posts I have no idea, I mean it's not as if
you see me going around replying to his initial posts.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ą x ą

[M]

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

> it's not as if
> you see me going around replying to his

Sure you do. You are just as goofy as he is.

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

Name a single thread or thread offshoot that Drew has made (which was
not a direct reply to me) that I replied to within the past month.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm น x น

[NotMe]

"amgine" <nzt...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:C0993701.3AA72%nzt...@yahoo.co.uk...

I've used two USB connection the one in the back for W98 and the one in the
frount for the G4 Mac.

I've seen no reason to disconnect either.

[CMP]

In article <32a7725cdjtk7m871...@4ax.com>, Onideus Mad
Hatter <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 23 May 2006 19:16:10 -0500, CMP
> <cmpi...@NOSPAMcreativeveritas.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <70t672hdog65eljmb...@4ax.com>, Onideus Mad
> >Hatter <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 23 May 2006 20:39:26 GMT, Drew
> >> <whoisthat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> On a superficial understanding they are just tools...but then if
> >> >> that's the analogy you want to use, well then the point simply shifts
> >> >> to the fact that with the PC there are MORE tools to choose from.
> >> >
> >> >I disagree. Creative energy can be expressed with nothing more than
> >> >sand, rocks or sticks.
> >>
> >> Try to make it in the graphic design world with nothing more than
> >> sand, rocks and sticks, Drew, see how far you go.
> >>
> >> >It's how you use your tools.
> >>
> >> Wow, boy that's insightful, are you picking up tips out of fortune
> >> cookies now? Or did you come up with that incredible revelation all
> >> on your own?
> >
> >Yeesh, the tension between you guys!! : (
>
> If there's tension I can assure you it's completely one sided, I'm
> merely mocking my lil fan-addict. Why he constantly feels the need to
> go around replying to my posts I have no idea, I mean it's not as if
> you see me going around replying to his initial posts.

Fine, but (and now bear in mind that I've been gone for a bit and
actually missed the hell out of ya'll! <grin>) ya'll are really just
spending so much time spitting at and antagonizing the hell out of each
other - it'd be really nice to see you two make nice and make up - and
maybe go have a beer together . . . You're both artists - can't you
two find *any* common ground whatsoever??? Perhaps just the love of art
itself??

Just my two cents - spend them as you will or just walk away and
leave'em for the next guy. ; ) Honestly, I'm just so stupidly happy to
be back . . . and really, I missed you goobers!! ; )
>
> --
>
> Onideus Mad Hatter
> mhm น x น

--
C Pierce

[M]

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

> Name a single thread

Every thread that makes fun of you.

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

Earth to Retard Land; Retard Land, come back.

Try a message ID, Stupid.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ą x ą

[amgine]

> | Here's a question for all you PC folk out there. I have a mac on OS9 and I
> | use an Epson stylus photo 2100 via USB, it prints superbly no matter who
> | else is connected or what they're doing. My husband is on a PC running
> | Windows 2000 Pro, printing from FreeHand and he shares the same printer
> | using a parallel cable. Whenever I have my machine on and plugged into the
> | printer it makes his prints come out really feeble and solarized. I have
> to
> | unplug my USB cable and he has to reboot before he can control the printer
> | fully and get decent prints.
> |
> | Anyone know what's happening?
>
> I've used two USB connection the one in the back for W98 and the one in the
> frount for the G4 Mac.
>
> I've seen no reason to disconnect either.
>
>

Is there one in the front?

So far I can only find one USB connection. I'm going to have to get out the
manual. Ultimately I think we're going to see how far we can get with
wireless printing. The less cables I have to put up with the better.

[Drew]

CMP wrote:

>
> Fine, but (and now bear in mind that I've been gone for a bit and
> actually missed the hell out of ya'll! <grin>) ya'll are really just
> spending so much time spitting at and antagonizing the hell out of each
> other - it'd be really nice to see you two make nice and make up - and
> maybe go have a beer together . . . You're both artists - can't you
> two find *any* common ground whatsoever??? Perhaps just the love of art
> itself??
>
> Just my two cents - spend them as you will or just walk away and
> leave'em for the next guy. ; ) Honestly, I'm just so stupidly happy to
> be back . . . and really, I missed you goobers!! ; )

Poking fun at egotistical, talentless hacks is my hobby. 2¢ can't deny
me that life pleasure.

D

[kvl]

Hi T,
How do you like Omega 2.5? Do you run your own sign business or work
for one.
When I started out in the business, we had a Gerber SuperSprint 3500.
This machine was about the size of 2'x6' table top. It had a small
black and white screen that was 5"x7" and all you could is set in about
25 different fonts, type in lines of copy- change spacing by of copy by
x and y coordinates and then see a really bad outlined preview of what
the plotter would cut. A lot of the sign design had to worked out and
set up, as far as layout before, by doing manual measurements of the
material that was going to be used. It was great in about 1993-94, when
PCs with windows came into the picture to the sign industry.
I learned on the very first version of Graphics Advantage.
If you have any questions, I hope I remember. I've been using Flexisign
Pro for almost the last five years for a different company I worked
for. Now, I'm on my own, with only Corel Draw and Illustrator to
utilize.
Anyway, if you run your own business and ever have any need for added
design work, please let me know, also.

Karolina

PS- to DREW: I have to accept various payments for sales of a book over
the internet - there's no way to get around that (LOL) besides, if
they're going to use a credit card - $16.95 for the last time using it,
is nothing if they're already over their head in debt. "K" instead of
"C" !

[SpaceGirl]

RC Moonpie wrote:
> On 23 May 2006 08:12:47 -0700, "kvl" <k...@usecashtobuyit.com> wrote:
>
> >I must be in the dark about graphic designers using mostly Macs.

> >Throughout the time I spent in the sign industry, it really annoyed
> >artists from advertising agencies, graphic houses... etc, that we used
> >PCs in the sign industry. Many of them couldn't understand it.
> >
>
>

> Many of them are Mac snobs. I use both platforms. They're both
> wonderful and I hate them both, at the same time.

Me too. I work between my laptop (Apple PowerBook with OS X Tiger, G4,
1.5gb etc) and a desktop (Windows XP, P4, 2gb etc). I dont care which I
use as I have the same software (Adobe Creative Suite 2, Macromedia
Studio 8) on both. I think I'll always prefer a Mac laptop as it "just
works" all the time. Windows goes wrong to much and I need something
ultra-reliable when I'm out and about. But I like my desktop PC because
it's easy to upgrade and was very cheap (even if I have to reinstall
Windows once a year).

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

On Wed, 24 May 2006 14:00:13 -0400, RC Moonpie
<rc_mo...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>well, thats the other side of the coin. Macs are roughly twice as
>expensive as comparably fast and powerful PCs. Of course the current
>Mac commercial on TV conveniently leaves that little factoid out. And
>of course the "re-start" commercial, yeah right, as if you never have
>to re-start a Mac... and with XP, I seldom have to re-start it anyway.

My system hasn't been restarted in...over a year now. Of course I'm
using UBER high end PC parts (Infineon memory, Xeon processors, etc)
and of course it is a custom install of WinXP, so everything was
configured to run correctly. More often than not system crashes are
either due to using white-label, no name brand, factory seconds
hardware (like the kind they use in Dells and other box brand PCs) or
it is a result of not installing software correctly and/or not
understanding all those "complicated" settings and so forth.

>Most people I know who use PCs for graphics, also like to be able to
>play the newest hi def graphics games. You cant do that with a Mac.
>because the games arent written for Mac.

...not entirely true actually. And besides, aren't Mac's now PC
compliant in their architecture? They've got those new Intel Macs and
I now you can load Windows onto em.

>Another reason why lots of PC
>users mess their machines up, is because there is so much kewl
>software written for PC, to do all kinds of things, and they realize
>too late it has screwed up something else they already installed.

Ahhh yes, user error. If the vast majority of peeps who are currently
using PCs were using Macs you would see just as much griping and
bitching and complaints...most of which are completely unfounded since
the cause is a short between the keyboard and chair.

>My point is, a lot of these Windoze people would screw up a Mac, too,
>given the chance. Its not just viruses that ruin PCs. Its operator
>headspace.

And even with viruses, the reason that there aren't very many for the
Mac is because not as many people are using it, so it makes a poor
target. The whole idea behind a virus is mass distribution, so you
want to target what's being used the most.

>all computers work great... until you load software on them.

No, no, until YOU load software on them. If *I* loaded the software
on them they would work perfect. ^_^

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm น x น

[Drew]

Yawn.

D

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

On Thu, 25 May 2006 02:14:05 GMT, Drew
<whoisthat...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Ya<COCK SLAP>

Get the fuck off my leg, Humpy.

[Jimmy]

in article 7bga721rmc24q12hc...@4ax.com, Onideus Mad Hatter at
use...@backwater-productions.net wrote on 05/24/2006 10:32 PM:

> fuck my leg, Humpy.

Your sexual fantasies are your own problem.

[Jimmy]

in article c9hb72hgch7mj8c7l...@4ax.com, RC Moonpie at
rc_mo...@hotmail.com wrote on 05/25/2006 7:54 AM:

> I'm somewhat new here too. Who are these two 'tards, Drew and Mad
> Hatter, and what exactly is their problem?

If you are interested, just keep watching, you will be able to figure it
out.

[CMP]

In article <c9hb72hgch7mj8c7l...@4ax.com>, RC Moonpie
<rc_mo...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 25 May 2006 01:48:34 -0700, Jimmy
> <Jim...@witnessprotection.gov> wrote:
>

> I'm somewhat new here too. Who are these two 'tards, Drew and Mad
> Hatter, and what exactly is their problem?

Hat is an occasional troll for the pure pleasure and recreation,
whereas Drew is an everyday joe who just likes tweaking Hat's tail
every once in a while.

But neither of them are 'tards. Not by a longshot. Drew, especially,
is a longtime and well-respected fixture here at ADG. It's pretty
obvious that you guys are new here, otherwise you'd know that. FTR, I'd
do a bit of research into the comings and goings here before I'd start
slapping labels on our favorite members. Otherwise, *you'll* look like
a 'tard.

FTR, Hat would quite possibly be respected, too, if he didn't piss so
many people off.

--
C Pierce

[Drew]

RC Moonpie wrote:
> If its a circle
> jerk between two dickheads, who cares how smart they are?

And now there's three.

Drew
May the circle be unbroken.

[CMP]

In article <9b3e72paj9ouie2gf...@4ax.com>, RC Moonpie
<rc_mo...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I fucking couldnt care less.
>
> Whatever. If this is a good place to get information and possibly an
> aswer to a tricky software/design question, great. If its a circle
> jerk between two dickheads, who cares how smart they are? Real life is
> too full of idiots already. Those online arent worth anytime at all.

LOL, if you're looking for information, Drew is a respected, ready
supply of it. If you do a bit of research, you'll see that damn nigh
every member has been a "dickhead" at one point or another (myself
included) . . . kinda comes with the territory I suppose, depending on
the antagonist.

And unfortunately, considering that those posting are *human* and prone
to the idiosyncrasies of such, dickheadedness between a few members is
something you'll either have to live with or do that wee little thing
called "killfile." If you want people to actually *answer* questions
you might like to pose, I respectfully suggest that you either killfile
or exert some self-control and not read their posts and/or not insult
our members - that is, if you want to *be* a member yourself.

--
C Pierce

[CMP]

In article <ndge72tcfa7o74sbr...@4ax.com>, RC Moonpie
<rc_mo...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 26 May 2006 11:48:03 -0500, CMP

> i've already done that. Hopefully there will be other people here who
> know somethign about design, to answer honest questions.

That's a shame . . . Drew is one of the most talented and
knowledgeable people here . . . and one of the most pleasant to talk
to socially. I consider him a very good friend and he deserves quite a
bit of respect.

Too, you will find some disagreements here fairly often. Wait til
someone posts asking for "free" or "bargain basement" graphic design
work! I suspect when that happens again (seems to be atleast 3-4 times
a month) you'll killfile damn nigh everyone here. ; )
*crickets chirping*

As for me, I've not killfiled anyone here . . . if someone posts
something that I don't agree with, I shrug and say "to each their own"
and then ignore that thread. So far, everyone has had something
worthwhile to contribute - even Hat (whom most people here dislike or
at the very least, spar with). Hat's quite knowledgeable when it comes
to HTML, Flash, and all the other Web based proggies and lingo. If you
are in need of help with web based design, you've just killfiled one of
the best sources (the others being SpaceGirl and FSDStudio). As for
Drew, he's an awward-winning and published designer who has a lot to
teach and share (and has an amazing sense of humor). Again, it's a
shame that you couldn't just ignore the thread . . .

--
C Pierce

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

On Fri, 26 May 2006 15:39:40 -0400, RC Moonpie
<rc_mo...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 26 May 2006 13:50:23 -0500, CMP
><cmpi...@NOSPAMcreativeveritas.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> i've already done that. Hopefully there will be other people here who
>>> know somethign about design, to answer honest questions.
>>
>>That's a shame . . . Drew is one of the most talented and
>>knowledgeable people here . . . and one of the most pleasant to talk
>>to socially. I consider him a very good friend and he deserves quite a
>>bit of respect.
>
>

>To each his own. I posted what I thought was a fairly unbiased set of
>thoughts about graphics on both platforms, and he responds with a
>rather rude "YAWN" and then this moron Hatter humps his post. I got no
>use for people like this, even if they are Saul Bass and
>Michaelangelo.

>
>
>
>>
>>Too, you will find some disagreements here fairly often. Wait til
>>someone posts asking for "free" or "bargain basement" graphic design
>>work! I suspect when that happens again (seems to be atleast 3-4 times
>>a month) you'll killfile damn nigh everyone here. ; )
>>*crickets chirping*
>
>

>What happens when someone posts QUICK I NEED A HACKED SERIAL NUMBER?

>
>
>
>>
>>As for me, I've not killfiled anyone here . . .
>
>

>commendable, but to me, Usenet is sort of like television. If I dont
>like a channel, I dont have to watch, regarldess of how occassionally
>informative it is.

>
>
>
> if someone posts
>>something that I don't agree with, I shrug and say "to each their own"
>>and then ignore that thread. So far, everyone has had something
>>worthwhile to contribute - even Hat (whom most people here dislike or
>>at the very least, spar with). Hat's quite knowledgeable when it comes
>>to HTML, Flash, and all the other Web based proggies and lingo.
>
>
>

>which i dont do any of at all, so, no loss for me! Hurray! everybody
>wins.

Are you going to shut yourself the fuck up and leave now? Or are you
some sort of masochistic poster?

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ą x ą

[CMP]

In article <qbme72pqbgft954ti...@4ax.com>, RC Moonpie
<rc_mo...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 26 May 2006 13:50:23 -0500, CMP
> <cmpi...@NOSPAMcreativeveritas.com> wrote:
>
>
> >>

> >> i've already done that. Hopefully there will be other people here who
> >> know somethign about design, to answer honest questions.
> >
> >That's a shame . . . Drew is one of the most talented and
> >knowledgeable people here . . . and one of the most pleasant to talk
> >to socially. I consider him a very good friend and he deserves quite a
> >bit of respect.
>
>

> To each his own. I posted what I thought was a fairly unbiased set of
> thoughts about graphics on both platforms, and he responds with a
> rather rude "YAWN" and then this moron Hatter humps his post. I got no
> use for people like this, even if they are Saul Bass and
> Michaelangelo.

Actually, I'm 99.99% sure that Drew was saying that to Hat, not you . .
. so therein lies the misunderstanding. I've never known Drew to blast
someone unless they've fired at him (or someone he likes - he's a loyal
type of guy) first . . .

>
>
> >
> >Too, you will find some disagreements here fairly often. Wait til
> >someone posts asking for "free" or "bargain basement" graphic design
> >work! I suspect when that happens again (seems to be atleast 3-4 times
> >a month) you'll killfile damn nigh everyone here. ; )
> >*crickets chirping*
>
>

> What happens when someone posts QUICK I NEED A HACKED SERIAL NUMBER?

LOL, they'll tell you this isn't the place for that sort of thing and
probably lecture you on legitimately buying your software . . . : )

>
>
>
> >
> >As for me, I've not killfiled anyone here . . .
>
>

> commendable, but to me, Usenet is sort of like television. If I dont
> like a channel, I dont have to watch, regarldess of how occassionally
> informative it is.

Yes, but if that's the case, your stay here will be very short . . .
*everyone* (with only a very few exceptions) will get nasty with
someone else every once in while . . .

>
>
>
> if someone posts
> >something that I don't agree with, I shrug and say "to each their own"
> >and then ignore that thread. So far, everyone has had something
> >worthwhile to contribute - even Hat (whom most people here dislike or
> >at the very least, spar with). Hat's quite knowledgeable when it comes
> >to HTML, Flash, and all the other Web based proggies and lingo.
>
>
>

> which i dont do any of at all, so, no loss for me! Hurray! everybody
> wins.

Ah, but I'll bet Drewsky (whom I think you killfiled even though he
really didn't slight you with the "yawn" comment - again, from what I
read, it was directed solely at Hat) could answer the questions you
*do* have . . .

Just out of curiosity, are you using Google Groups for your NGs? I ask
because GG doesn't usually show quoted text and I think that if it had,
you might have seen that Drew was answering Hat and not you.

Course, with his last post (in answer to your comment about how he's a
dickhead), I'm pretty sure he was answering you when he said that
there's "three" dickheads now . . .
>
>

--
CM Pierce

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

On Fri, 26 May 2006 15:55:37 -0400, CMP <spam....@NOSPAM.net>
wrote:

>> What happens when someone posts QUICK I NEED A HACKED SERIAL NUMBER?

>LOL, they'll tell you this isn't the place for that sort of thing and
>probably lecture you on legitimately buying your software . . . : )

Actually I fully support piracy...however I'm a firm believer that
only truly intelligent people should be able to do so, which is why I
would never go around handing out serial numbers. If you're too
stupid to figure out where and how to get such software, well you
probably shouldn't be doing it.

[CMP]

In article <cidf72hvun8ddqrsa...@4ax.com>, Onideus Mad
Hatter <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 26 May 2006 15:55:37 -0400, CMP <spam....@NOSPAM.net>
> wrote:
>
> >> What happens when someone posts QUICK I NEED A HACKED SERIAL NUMBER?
>
> >LOL, they'll tell you this isn't the place for that sort of thing and
> >probably lecture you on legitimately buying your software . . . : )
>
> Actually I fully support piracy...however I'm a firm believer that
> only truly intelligent people should be able to do so, which is why I
> would never go around handing out serial numbers. If you're too
> stupid to figure out where and how to get such software, well you
> probably shouldn't be doing it.

*That* was the best you could do??!! Yeesh . . . the guy gives you
plenty of ammunition and you just end up firing blanks! You're going
soft on the guy . . . ; )

Just curious . . . do you know how to crack software? Though I guess
I shouldn't be asking that here . . . just always astounded me the
ingenuity of someone trying to save $$, or in our kind of software's
range, $$$$. I'd be clueless . . . : )

Glad to see you're feeling better . . .
>
> --
>
> Onideus Mad Hatter
> mhm น x น

--
C Pierce

[Drew]

CMP wrote:

>>>LOL, they'll tell you this isn't the place for that sort of thing and
>>>probably lecture you on legitimately buying your software . . . : )
>>
>>Actually I fully support piracy..

> Just curious . . . do you know how to crack software?

Damn Connie, are you so blind to this hack? With this mentality he's
sure to go to your site and rob your creativity and sell it to someone else.

I love you Connie, but you've shown me here that you're way below gullible.

xxxooo

Drew

[CMP]

In article <JUOdg.8636$Qg....@tornado.southeast.rr.com>, Drew
<whoisthat...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> CMP wrote:
>
> >>>LOL, they'll tell you this isn't the place for that sort of thing and
> >>>probably lecture you on legitimately buying your software . . . : )
> >>
> >>Actually I fully support piracy..
> > Just curious . . . do you know how to crack software?
>
> Damn Connie, are you so blind to this hack? With this mentality he's
> sure to go to your site and rob your creativity and sell it to someone else.

I disagree . . . for one, I don't think my work's that great - or has
that big of a market (usually it's just the technical or military
groups that go for me) and two, I don't think Hat would hurt me like
that - sort of like how you see those little birds hanging out in the
mouth of huge crocs. For some reason, I think I'm one of those little
birds. : )

Too, if Hat was all about moolah, he'd go mainstream - I think his gig
is more like showing off, tackling what others say can't be done and
then shoving their noses in it.

>
> I love you Connie, but you've shown me here that you're way below gullible.

Guilible? Yeah, I could see that. And you, Drew, are one of the few
people who haven't tried to sell me the Brooklyn Bridge, cheap. : )

But I promise - I am trying to ditch the rose-colored glasses. ; )

But really, don't you ever see those people cracking software and
wonder how the hell they do that??? The big software corps have sooo
many people on their payroll to figure out ways to prevent it, but
still, some 17 yo always manages to do it. Don't you find that the
*least* bit intriguing??
>
> xxxooo
>
> Drew

--
C Pierce

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

I think Drew is having some jealosy issues or something. He wants all
your attention to himself, Connie. Maybe he's got a crush on you.

Ahhh, spring time, and cyber-love is in the air...LOL...

[Jimmy]

in article evef729u0s6i8g5gj...@4ax.com, Onideus Mad Hatter at

use...@backwater-productions.net wrote on 05/26/2006 7:41 PM:

> I think Drew is having some jealosy issues

Project much?

[CMP]

In article <evef729u0s6i8g5gj...@4ax.com>, Onideus Mad
Hatter <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 27 May 2006 02:34:17 GMT, Drew
> <whoisthat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >CMP wrote:
> >
> >>>>LOL, they'll tell you this isn't the place for that sort of thing and
> >>>>probably lecture you on legitimately buying your software . . . : )
> >>>
> >>>Actually I fully support piracy..
> >> Just curious . . . do you know how to crack software?
> >
> >Damn Connie, are you so blind to this hack? With this mentality he's
> >sure to go to your site and rob your creativity and sell it to someone else.
> >
> >I love you Connie, but you've shown me here that you're way below gullible.
> >
> >xxxooo
> >
> >Drew
>
> I think Drew is having some jealosy issues or something. He wants all
> your attention to himself, Connie. Maybe he's got a crush on you.
>
> Ahhh, spring time, and cyber-love is in the air...LOL...

Actually, I think he might be trying to save me from the big bad ol'
dragon that we know as Mad Hatter . . . kind of like how you might
push a deer from the path of an oncoming mack truck. Or at least avert
your eyes so you don't have to see Bambi's innards plastered all over
the truck's grill . . .

--
C Pierce

[CMP]

In article <C09D1ED0.8571A%Jim...@witnessprotection.gov>, Jimmy
<Jim...@witnessprotection.gov> wrote:

LOL, I hardly think so. I've posted to him several times with only a
mere handful of responses back. Again, I'm more like the wee bird that
can flit about inside the gaping jaws of a crocodile. : )

And believe me, I remember this croc can bring down a water buffalo! ; )
>

--
C Pierce

[CMP]

In article <cidf72hvun8ddqrsa...@4ax.com>, Onideus Mad
Hatter <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 26 May 2006 15:55:37 -0400, CMP <spam....@NOSPAM.net>
> wrote:
>
> >> What happens when someone posts QUICK I NEED A HACKED SERIAL NUMBER?
>
> >LOL, they'll tell you this isn't the place for that sort of thing and
> >probably lecture you on legitimately buying your software . . . : )
>
> Actually I fully support piracy...however I'm a firm believer that
> only truly intelligent people should be able to do so, which is why I
> would never go around handing out serial numbers. If you're too
> stupid to figure out where and how to get such software, well you
> probably shouldn't be doing it.

Totally OT, but I thought you might like this (if you haven't already
heard of it or hate it, LOL) . . .

http://www.illwillpress.com/

Your posts beating the everlovin' shit out of wayward n00b j0bs remind
me of Foamy! : )

--
C Pierce

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

Oh Jimmy Boi, I am projecting *SO* much, I mean, WOW...you must be
like Miss Cleo or something! Yeah, I've never actually seen Connie
before, I have no idea how old she is or what her particular tastes
are (outside of the general topic in this froup), plus I believe she's
married already, but man, you are *SO* right, I have like...the
biggest crush EVER! I'm serious Jimmy, you could like open up your
own psychic phone hotline!

...you know the sad thing is that Jimmy is so unbelievably fucking
retarded...he probably doesn't even realize I'm mocking him...hell, he
probably doesn't even know what that means. o_O

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

On Fri, 26 May 2006 23:20:08 -0500, CMP
<cmpi...@NOSPAMcreativeveritas.com> wrote:

>In article <evef729u0s6i8g5gj...@4ax.com>, Onideus Mad
>Hatter <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 27 May 2006 02:34:17 GMT, Drew
>> <whoisthat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >CMP wrote:
>> >
>> >>>>LOL, they'll tell you this isn't the place for that sort of thing and
>> >>>>probably lecture you on legitimately buying your software . . . : )
>> >>>
>> >>>Actually I fully support piracy..
>> >> Just curious . . . do you know how to crack software?
>> >
>> >Damn Connie, are you so blind to this hack? With this mentality he's
>> >sure to go to your site and rob your creativity and sell it to someone else.
>> >
>> >I love you Connie, but you've shown me here that you're way below gullible.
>> >
>> >xxxooo
>> >
>> >Drew
>>
>> I think Drew is having some jealosy issues or something. He wants all
>> your attention to himself, Connie. Maybe he's got a crush on you.
>>
>> Ahhh, spring time, and cyber-love is in the air...LOL...
>
>Actually, I think he might be trying to save me from the big bad ol'
>dragon that we know as Mad Hatter . . . kind of like how you might
>push a deer from the path of an oncoming mack truck. Or at least avert
>your eyes so you don't have to see Bambi's innards plastered all over
>the truck's grill . . .

Well it's true you know, it's all apart of my insidious and sinister
plot to corrupt you and turn you over to the dark side...but hey,
we've got COOKIES!

Once you give in to the cookies, you will understand. Search your
feelings. You know it to be true!

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ą x ą

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

On Fri, 26 May 2006 21:41:21 -0500, CMP
<cmpi...@NOSPAMcreativeveritas.com> wrote:

>Too, if Hat was all about moolah, he'd go mainstream

Yeah I don't really want that right now...I think I'm going to wait
until bell bottoms go back out of style, then I'll go mainstream.

>- I think his gig
>is more like showing off, tackling what others say can't be done and
>then shoving their noses in it.

More so than that I seek competition. One of my favorite communities
is teh Anime Music Video (AMV) community, because there's just so much
nasty rivalry and competition. Fuck, it's so competitive that not
only can viewers critique a video (on like 12 different categories,
with a 0-10 rating and PLENTY of room for paragraph sized explanations
of such) but the AMV creators can then turn around and actually
critique the critiquers...it's fuckin brutal I tell ya. But then,
some of the very best video editors on the PLANET are in that
community...and the majority of their skill can be directly linked to
that level of competition...including mine.

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

On Fri, 26 May 2006 21:25:48 -0500, CMP
<cmpi...@NOSPAMcreativeveritas.com> wrote:

>*That* was the best you could do??!! Yeesh . . . the guy gives you
>plenty of ammunition and you just end up firing blanks! You're going
>soft on the guy . . . ; )

I've been kinda sick...tends to make me more...compassionate I guess
you could say. ^_^

>Just curious . . . do you know how to crack software? Though I guess
>I shouldn't be asking that here . . . just always astounded me the
>ingenuity of someone trying to save $$, or in our kind of software's
>range, $$$$. I'd be clueless . . . : )

There are a variety of different ways to crack software. The easiest
is to simply get together with 10 friends and you each pitch in 10
bucks and hey, share the serial number all around...just don't
register it...cause that'd be hella stupid...especially if you put
your address in, cause then they not only know you pirated it, they
also know EXACTLY where you're at. Another method is to figure out
the algorithm that they used to derive the serial numbers, once you
have that you can make a lil program that can automagically generate
as many working serial numbers as you like. The later method is real
popular amongst teh math geeks, who a lot of times do it simply for
the mathematical challenge... o_O

A lot of newer products are using like activation codes in addition to
serial numbers, in which case cracking it becomes a bit of a
programming challenge as well as a mathematical challenge. Again
though, there are LOTS of uber math and code nerds out there who love
that stuff...and they love the underground fame and recognition so if
it's a major software title there's always plenty of warez peeps and
groups looking to be the "first" to crack it.

>Glad to see you're feeling better . . .

Yeah me too, being sick sucks...very unproductive.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ą x ą

[M]

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

> I'm mocking

Irony.

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

On Sat, 27 May 2006 01:41:23 -0700, M <m...@m.com> wrote:

>> I'm mocking

>Irony.

Hey the Ritalin you're taking must be working, you got to TWO WORDS
that time! WOW, you should RUN TO yer MOMMY and tell her all about
it! Heck, I bet she'll even make you some CHOCOLATE MILK! How does
that sound, kiddo?

(it's best to keep key words in all caps, it helps Mumbles to focus)

[M]

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

> Hey the Ritalin I'm taking must be working

Good.

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

On Sat, 27 May 2006 10:15:50 -0700, M <m...@m.com> wrote:

> Hey the Ritalin I'm taking must be working

That's great, Mumbles!

[M]

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

>>Hey the Ritalin I'm taking must be working
>
>
> That's great, Mumbles!

You are responding to your own message, goober.

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

On Sat, 27 May 2006 17:33:01 -0700, M <m...@m.com> wrote:

>>>Hey the Ritalin I'm taking must be working

>> That's great, Mumbles!

>You are responding to your own message, goober.

*Hatter checks teh thread.*

Nope, I never said anything about taking Ritalin myself...you did
though. *shrugs*

Reality sure is a bitch for you, innt Mumbles?

[M]

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

> Hatter checks

Made you look.

hahahaha.

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

On Tue, 23 May 2006 21:37:39 GMT, Drew
<whoisthat...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>I disagree. Creative energy can be expressed with nothing more than
>>>sand, rocks or sticks.

>> Try to make it in the graphic design world with nothing more than
>> sand, rocks and sticks, Drew, see how far you go.

>Show me your paying clients. Pizza delivery tips don't count.

...so you're trying to imply that if I don't have paying clients that
somehow makes your sand, rocks and sticks theory valid? Drew, are you
TRYING to be stupid...or is it just a natural occurrence?

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

On Sun, 28 May 2006 13:07:53 -0700, M <m...@m.com> wrote:

>> Hatter checks

>Made you look.
>
>hahahaha.

Mumbles, you are without any doubt the most blatant form of stupidity
that this particular group has EVER been subjected to. If you were
any more retarded than you are now...you would be clinically BRAIN
DEAD.

[SpaceGirl]

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

> My system hasn't been restarted in...over a year now. Of course I'm
> using UBER high end PC parts (Infineon memory, Xeon processors, etc)
> and of course it is a custom install of WinXP, so everything was
> configured to run correctly. More often than not system crashes are
> either due to using white-label, no name brand, factory seconds
> hardware (like the kind they use in Dells and other box brand PCs) or
> it is a result of not installing software correctly and/or not
> understanding all those "complicated" settings and so forth.

Ah dont lie :) If you've been applying security patches (which are
Monthly) you have to have rebooted. I dont reboot, ever, between
patches. But I always try to keep my machines secure.

Windows is nowhere near as reliable as my PowerBook tho. I can measure
it in "glitches per week".

>
> >Most people I know who use PCs for graphics, also like to be able to
> >play the newest hi def graphics games. You cant do that with a Mac.
> >because the games arent written for Mac.
>
> ...not entirely true actually. And besides, aren't Mac's now PC
> compliant in their architecture? They've got those new Intel Macs and
> I now you can load Windows onto em.

Yeah but you still cant play any games. Also, Windows only "sort of
works" on the new MacTel hardware. You can forget anything that
requires DirectX or OpenGL (so that rules out all games).

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

On 31 May 2006 03:07:03 -0700, "SpaceGirl"
<nothespac...@subhuman.net> wrote:

>> My system hasn't been restarted in...over a year now. Of course I'm
>> using UBER high end PC parts (Infineon memory, Xeon processors, etc)
>> and of course it is a custom install of WinXP, so everything was
>> configured to run correctly. More often than not system crashes are
>> either due to using white-label, no name brand, factory seconds
>> hardware (like the kind they use in Dells and other box brand PCs) or
>> it is a result of not installing software correctly and/or not
>> understanding all those "complicated" settings and so forth.

>Ah dont lie :) If you've been applying security patches (which are
>Monthly) you have to have rebooted.

Uh, I don't ever install any of those "security patches"...most of
which just make your system even more vulnerable than it was before as
well as give Microsoft a prime opportunity to completely fuck your
system up.

[SpaceGirl]

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> On 31 May 2006 03:07:03 -0700, "SpaceGirl"
> <nothespac...@subhuman.net> wrote:

> >Ah dont lie :) If you've been applying security patches (which are
> >Monthly) you have to have rebooted.
>
> Uh, I don't ever install any of those "security patches"...most of
> which just make your system even more vulnerable than it was before as
> well as give Microsoft a prime opportunity to completely fuck your
> system up.

While that IS a risk, I take it you dont play games on your computer at
all then? Updated versions of directX and many, many video driver
updates have been released over the last year. Both of which require
restarts, both of which are REQUIRED by many games, even old ones.
Running an unpatched system, even if behind a firewall, is a greater
"risk" (given it's vastly easier to reinstall Windows than it is to
recover maliciously deleted documents or remove a trojan).

Also if you machine is a year old, it's hardly an "uber machine"
considering speeds have doubled in the last 12 months. Xeons are also
terribly slow at multimedia (but better at number crunching).

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

On 31 May 2006 03:21:42 -0700, "SpaceGirl"
<nothespac...@subhuman.net> wrote:

>> Uh, I don't ever install any of those "security patches"...most of
>> which just make your system even more vulnerable than it was before as
>> well as give Microsoft a prime opportunity to completely fuck your
>> system up.

>While that IS a risk, I take it you dont play games on your computer at
>all then?

...no, see I WORK on my computer...I don't "play games" with
it...that's what a Playstation or a GameCube is for. To me, if you're
"playing games" with your computer...it's because you either are, or
you have the mentality of a 13 year old. Generally speaking I find
most "gamers" to be some of THE dumbest people online and often THE
MOST uninformed and THE BIGGEST purveyors of disinformation and
outright lies when it comes to tech knowledge...and you're about to
prove my point...

>Also if you machine is a year old, it's hardly an "uber machine"
>considering speeds have doubled in the last 12 months. Xeons are also
>terribly slow at multimedia (but better at number crunching).

Actually Xeons are better for multimedia/rendering than...pretty much
anything else (especially if you're talking scalability, like in a
super cluster). As far as number crunching or databases, you're
talkin Athlon.

Further, processor speeds most CERTAINLY have NOT "doubled in the last
12 months"...where you're getting THAT piece of OBVIOUSLY FALSE
DISinformation from I don't know...maybe you're just pulling shit out
of your ass? In the past 12 months processor speeds have only
increased by a .4 Ghz pittence, from 3.4 Ghz to 3.8 Ghz.

[SpaceGirl]

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> On 31 May 2006 03:21:42 -0700, "SpaceGirl"
> <nothespac...@subhuman.net> wrote:
>
> >> Uh, I don't ever install any of those "security patches"...most of
> >> which just make your system even more vulnerable than it was before as
> >> well as give Microsoft a prime opportunity to completely fuck your
> >> system up.
>
> >While that IS a risk, I take it you dont play games on your computer at
> >all then?
>
> ...no, see I WORK on my computer...I don't "play games" with
> it...that's what a Playstation or a GameCube is for. To me, if you're
> "playing games" with your computer...it's because you either are, or
> you have the mentality of a 13 year old. Generally speaking I find

It's just another form of entertainment. I dont play games on my PC
either - I've got an Xbox 360 and a big LCD tv for that.

> most "gamers" to be some of THE dumbest people online and often THE
> MOST uninformed and THE BIGGEST purveyors of disinformation and
> outright lies when it comes to tech knowledge...and you're about to
> prove my point...

You dont want to get into that with me :) You can't win!

> >Also if you machine is a year old, it's hardly an "uber machine"
> >considering speeds have doubled in the last 12 months. Xeons are also
> >terribly slow at multimedia (but better at number crunching).
>
> Actually Xeons are better for multimedia/rendering than...pretty much
> anything else (especially if you're talking scalability, like in a
> super cluster). As far as number crunching or databases, you're
> talkin Athlon.

Xeons are better at sustained crunching. Of all the Intel chips, P4EE
chips are top of the line for multimedia. The large L3 cache makes all
the difference (lots of cache hits because of the repetative nature of
multimedia processing).

> Further, processor speeds most CERTAINLY have NOT "doubled in the last
> 12 months"...where you're getting THAT piece of OBVIOUSLY FALSE
> DISinformation from I don't know...maybe you're just pulling shit out
> of your ass? In the past 12 months processor speeds have only
> increased by a .4 Ghz pittence, from 3.4 Ghz to 3.8 Ghz.

Processing speed has nothing to do with Mhz. That's why most Althlon
chips (slower in Mhz) out perform almost all Intel chips (which are
faster in Mhz). Mhz is a measure of cycles per second, which means
nothing. The number of things that are done per cycle per second is
more important, and that's hard to measure. You could measure in MIPS
(millions of instructions per second), but that is very task specific.

12 months ago there were no dualcore Xeon processors. There are now.
They have up to two 3.4ghz cores. That's more than twice as fast (in
mhz) as the top rated 3.2ghz Xeons this time last year. Also, if you
bought a high-end Intel chip 12 months ago, does it even support 64bit
execution?

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

On 31 May 2006 04:04:57 -0700, "SpaceGirl"
<nothespac...@subhuman.net> wrote:

>> >> Uh, I don't ever install any of those "security patches"...most of
>> >> which just make your system even more vulnerable than it was before as
>> >> well as give Microsoft a prime opportunity to completely fuck your
>> >> system up.

>> >While that IS a risk, I take it you dont play games on your computer at
>> >all then?

>> ...no, see I WORK on my computer...I don't "play games" with
>> it...that's what a Playstation or a GameCube is for. To me, if you're
>> "playing games" with your computer...it's because you either are, or
>> you have the mentality of a 13 year old. Generally speaking I find

>It's just another form of entertainment. I dont play games on my PC
>either - I've got an Xbox 360 and a big LCD tv for that.

You have an Xbox? *snicker*

>> most "gamers" to be some of THE dumbest people online and often THE
>> MOST uninformed and THE BIGGEST purveyors of disinformation and
>> outright lies when it comes to tech knowledge...and you're about to
>> prove my point...

>You dont want to get into that with me :) You can't win!

Watch me, bullshit girl.

>> >Also if you machine is a year old, it's hardly an "uber machine"
>> >considering speeds have doubled in the last 12 months. Xeons are also
>> >terribly slow at multimedia (but better at number crunching).

>> Actually Xeons are better for multimedia/rendering than...pretty much
>> anything else (especially if you're talking scalability, like in a
>> super cluster). As far as number crunching or databases, you're
>> talkin Athlon.

>Xeons are better at sustained crunching.

Pulling shit out of your ass again? What do you mean "sustained
crunching"? Why don't you start naming SPECIFIC programs...better
yet, why don't you provide us with some benchmark links.

>Of all the Intel chips, P4EE
>chips are top of the line for multimedia.

Again, what do you mean by "multimedia"? Are you talking about MP3
encoding? Or are you talking about MPEG-4 video encoding? Or are you
talking about 3D rendering? In what SPECIFIC programs did you do
benchmarks in and what are the SPECIFIC numbers? And if YOU didn't do
benchmarking...who did? Provide us with links, Kiddo!

> The large L3 cache makes all
>the difference (lots of cache hits because of the repetative nature of
>multimedia processing).

WRONG!

Quoted from Tom's Hardware Guide (see they ACTUALLY do benchmarks,
they don't just pull shit out of their ass like you):

"Our benchmark tests, which exactly reproduce workstation usage with
appropriate applications, show that the additional L3 cache hardly
adds any speed. Popular 3D software, such as 3D Studio Max, Cinema 4D
and Lightwave, show no improvement in performance."

>> Further, processor speeds most CERTAINLY have NOT "doubled in the last
>> 12 months"...where you're getting THAT piece of OBVIOUSLY FALSE
>> DISinformation from I don't know...maybe you're just pulling shit out
>> of your ass? In the past 12 months processor speeds have only
>> increased by a .4 Ghz pittence, from 3.4 Ghz to 3.8 Ghz.

>Processing speed has nothing to do with Mhz.

....well, yeah see, actually it really does. Those aren't just random
fuckin numbers they tack onto the ends of the processor models you
doofy retard.

>That's why most Althlon
>chips (slower in Mhz) out perform almost all Intel chips (which are
>faster in Mhz).

Sorry, stupid, but yer wrong again...twice. First of all Athlon chips
don't measure up that well against Intel chips unless yer talkin about
database usage:

http://www.tomshardware.com/2002/03/13/the_dual_trap/page7.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/2002/03/13/the_dual_trap/page8.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/2002/03/13/the_dual_trap/page9.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/2002/03/13/the_dual_trap/page10.html

Or maybe if you wanna compare like an Athlon 64 FX model against a
Pentium EE model (although even then in most apps they're so close the
difference is negligible and expected when you look at the product
release dates).

Secondly...
http://www.sun.com/executives/realitycheck/headsup020314.html

"Yes, megahertz matters, but processor frequency does not solely
determine application performance. Yes, megahertz matters, but only
when comparing systems with the same architecture."

>12 months ago there were no dualcore Xeon processors. There are now.

In February of 2005:
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2005/02/10/intel_65nm_cpus/

"Intel has already said, of course, that it has working 65nm silicon
and late last year demonstrated its 'Yonah' dual-core mobile
processor, the successor to today's single-core Pentium M 7xx series.
Intel has said it will ship Yonah in limited numbers late this year,
with volume production taking place in 2006."

>They have up to two 3.4ghz cores. That's more than twice as fast (in
>mhz) as the top rated 3.2ghz Xeons this time last year.

Yeah, stupid, I'm not sure if you comprehend this or not, but "dual
core"...really just means integrated symmetric multiprocessing. My
current primary system actually supports up to FOUR Xeon
processors...but that doesn't mean that the ACTUAL TECHNOLOGY has
advanced at all, it just means packin twice as much in twice as much
space.

>Also, if you bought a high-end Intel chip 12 months ago, does it even
>support 64bit execution?

Um, retard, I'm pretty sure the Itanium has been around for close to a
half DECADE now. Where the fuck have you been? Playing games? o_O

[SpaceGirl]

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> On 31 May 2006 04:04:57 -0700, "SpaceGirl"
> <nothespac...@subhuman.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> Uh, I don't ever install any of those "security patches"...most of
> >> >> which just make your system even more vulnerable than it was before as
> >> >> well as give Microsoft a prime opportunity to completely fuck your
> >> >> system up.
>
> >> >While that IS a risk, I take it you dont play games on your computer at
> >> >all then?
>
> >> ...no, see I WORK on my computer...I don't "play games" with
> >> it...that's what a Playstation or a GameCube is for. To me, if you're
> >> "playing games" with your computer...it's because you either are, or
> >> you have the mentality of a 13 year old. Generally speaking I find
>
> >It's just another form of entertainment. I dont play games on my PC
> >either - I've got an Xbox 360 and a big LCD tv for that.
>
> You have an Xbox? *snicker*

Yeah. It's great! :)

Cant wait for the 360 camera though.

<snip snip snip>

What on Earth makes you think I want to argue with a amateur like you!?
Get back down in your own league, little boy.

[Drew]

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

> On Tue, 23 May 2006 21:37:39 GMT, Drew
> <whoisthat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>>I disagree. Creative energy can be expressed with nothing more than
>>>>sand, rocks or sticks.
>
>
>>>Try to make it in the graphic design world with nothing more than
>>>sand, rocks and sticks, Drew, see how far you go.
>
>
>>Show me your paying clients. Pizza delivery tips don't count.
>
>
> ...so you're trying to imply that if I don't have paying clients that
> somehow makes your sand, rocks and sticks theory valid?

Your lack of work would, yes.

D

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

On 31 May 2006 06:42:25 -0700, "SpaceGirl"
<nothespac...@subhuman.net> wrote:

Yeah I'd run the fuck away too if I were you, I mean it's not as if
YOU have any links to any benchmarks to back up all the shit yer
pullin out of your ass. Your pathetic attempt to try and save face
fell up pretty short though, I mean you don't REALLY think you're
fooling anybody, do you? *snicker*

[SpaceGirl]

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

> Onideus Mad Hatter

<snip snip snip>

The kiddies pool is over there -->

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"Onideus Mad Hatter" <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote in message
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> Drew <whoisthat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>I disagree. Creative energy can be expressed with nothing more than
>>>>sand, rocks or sticks.
>
>>> Try to make it in the graphic design world with nothing more than
>>> sand, rocks and sticks, Drew, see how far you go.
>

How far can you go? Hmmm, lets see...

The City of Hartford, Ct. paid $87,000 for a work of art by artist Carl
Andre composed of 36 rocks in 8 orderly rows, so like the work or not, you
can go at least to an $87,000 payday.
http://tinyurl.com/sy3a4
http://www.artguide.org/uk/AG.pl?Action=9997A&Axis=AllArtists
http://www.artnet.com/artist/1516/carl-andre.html

Of course, like them or not, there's lots of other examples of work that has
"gone far" using these kind of simple materials. Here's a few:

http://www.newportnet.com/archives/mandala/nancy/images/center-a.jpg

http://www.cricketstudio.com/mandala2/index.html

http://www.guzer.com/videos/sand_art.php

http://art-engage.net/Live-sand-animation.html

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-190214967198391492&q=sand+painting

http://www.bbc.co.uk/manchester/arts/2003/06/28/sand.shtml

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aqUYJWb_1A&search=sand

http://www.newportnet.com/archives/mandala/nancy/images/detail-a.jpg

http://www.cjasper.com/image.jsp?imageId=1038&galleryId=13&pos=12