Having a degree!
JohnT
design. You have been indoctrinated with that design nonsense that only
uni's can do. So I say to all you people that have degrees, just keep going
down the road of norms and be nothing special. To all you people that do not
have degrees I say well done as its you people that will use your own
creative juices.
And just for the record I do have a degree and regret it.
One only has to regularly read the posts in this group to realize how
intelligence is a rare comodity here.
Bring it on !
I await the slaughter
JohnT
A superior designer that does not like owning up to having a degree.
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kungfufrijters
It is akin to having a supercomputer as compared
to a pencil and paper. With both you can create the
world's best designs. Education is merely a medium
for which one can express, manipulate their environment
or more likely education is a method of marketing.
I have a degree and although I am bitter at a system
that gave me a piece of paper in exchange for $50,000
I still have learned, have become more creative, and now
am smarter than half of the american population. . .
Bring it on !
I await the slaughter :) :) :)
joel
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mark | r
design full time, doing it part time is just as good but it takes a little
longer and maybe the process isnt fully developed as it would be through
going to uni.
for the record i went to staffordshire uni in the UK, it was crap and one of
the low points in my life, i persevered despite my tutors, and now have my
own business...
that being said in the commercial work you have to learn QUICK - which also
has its benefits.
mark
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Stuart Brown
..and then drop out after you realise what a waste of time it is.
Experience and the ability to critique your own work is far more important
in design than any academic qualification. University suppresses creativity,
rather than encourages it.
I'd bet there probably are a few good courses out there, but my experience
tells me otherwise..
Stuart Brown
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akjijioeh
I feel like i'm doing exactly what I need to be doing. making my designs
next level material. (without the aid of design teachers) hehe
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go to trade school for 4 years part time while working full times in a
design/printing studio .............. I think that was better then any uni
because. I had 4 years of clients bullshit. to deal with as uni people only
have their own wacky art teachers to deal with ........ what you guys think?
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dotx3/Mayo
school (sixth form; high school) and am considering taking a degree in
graphic design (or visual communications or whatever else places want to
call it) or in product design...
thanks for the opintions
mayo
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> JohnT
> A superior designer that does not like owning up to having a degree.
This begs the question: what's your domain name? : =)
Cheers,
Isabelle
http://www.is.visisoul.com
Isabelle
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> all i will say is this thread is very interesting as i am soon to finish
> school (sixth form; high school) and am considering taking a degree in
> graphic design (or visual communications or whatever else places want to
> call it) or in product design...
I would take *workshops*, read a lot about design, art history, digital and
paper printing, and still go to university with a *second* choice in
university such as Communications, Psychology, Philosophy... a Humanities
program and apply it to graphic design. A university education, I believe,
is still worthwhile.
Cheers,
Isabelle
http://www.is.visisoul.com
P.S. Good for you for being on this NG while not being out of high school
yet - I wish I had been so astute at the time!
akjijioeh
do you have a degree?
ak
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Isabelle
crisp sites and I have many a good reason for my design philosophy (one of
which includes not wanting to follow trend). :) To answer your question,
no, I do not have a degree in Graphic/Fine Arts. I was thinking about it and
then realized that I would better serve myself if I learned through gurus,
mentors, networking, industry/leading school workshops, books and trial and
error. I do not call myself a Graphic Designer. I say I'm a Web Designer
who has skills in graphic design and programming. If anything, I would say
I'm a Graphic *Artist* - with artist being a different animal than designer!
:)
Cheers,
Isabelle
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"Isabelle" <isabelleR...@REMOVEZETHECAPSis.visisoul.com.invalid> wrote
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> "dotx3/Mayo" <ma...@dotx3.com> wrote in message
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> > all i will say is this thread is very interesting as i am soon to finish
> > school (sixth form; high school) and am considering taking a degree in
> > graphic design (or visual communications or whatever else places want to
> > call it) or in product design...
>
> I would take *workshops*, read a lot about design, art history, digital
and
> paper printing, and still go to university with a *second* choice in
> university such as Communications, Psychology, Philosophy... a Humanities
> program and apply it to graphic design. A university education, I
believe,
> is still worthwhile.
oops... I'm a bit foggy today - too busy! ;) When I said *second* choice,
I ment "major in one area and minor in Graphic Design/Fine Art" since it's
an interest of yours. It doesn't hurt to learn about history, design
principles and the like. This way you can still say you have a *Graphic
Design/Fine Art* degree with good conscience... *grin* and potentially
earn more respect from certain organizations and people.
Bottom line, if you have the opportunity to go to university - do it! Just
be mindful, while you are there, of what you are doing, what you wanted to
accomplish in the first place and how it will affect you after graduation.
A mindful student gains benefit.
Cheers,
Isabelle
http://www.is.visisoul.com
mike
akji...@nc.rr.com wrote on 12/22/03 7:42 PM:
> you domain looks kind of plain for a designer ;)
> do you have a degree?
Kelvin
are chances for both:-)
JohnT
My site is www.eurofreelancers.com
As you can see I have been indoctrinated with standard norms. I am getting
out of this rut by authoring a Photoshop book which I will inform all my
friends in this group when it is about to hit the shelves !! - I may be able
to instill some sense into them, - poor souls. I wish everyone thought like
me, oh how the world would be a better place.
Happy Christmas to all those who have not slagged me
JohnT
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> 5 of 10 richest man currently on earth didn't have degrees, 5 had. So
there
> are chances for both:-)
>
>
>
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ankou1
explain my creativity. Learning in school give you also the possibility to
see other works from other peoples and to work with them. Adding to that if
u work on personnal projects, if u can see more far than the end of your
studies, it's all benefit.
Creative juice which can be explained goes to nothing.
JeromeF,
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Nathaniel Flick
You realize that they are slagging your eurofreelancers.com for good reason,
right? Paying $85 for logos, but on spec terms?! And you wonder why you are
somewhat of a pariah around here... :)
Kind Regards,
Nathaniel
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Farlo
> Happy Christmas to all those who have not slagged me
- and screw the rest? =:D
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Dox3/Mayo, you in the UK?
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