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Edward Wedig

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Oct 31, 2003, 2:19:11 PM10/31/03
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I think he got some of what he deserves.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1
&u=/nm/20031031/od_nm/girls_dc

High School Girls Pummel Man Who Exposed Himself
Fri Oct 31,10:31 AM ET Add Oddly Enough - Reuters to My Yahoo!

PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - A man described by authorities as a known
sexual predator was chased through the streets of South Philadelphia by
an angry crowd of Catholic high school girls, who kicked and punched him
after he was tackled by neighbors, police said on Friday.

Rudy Susanto, 25, who had exposed himself to teen-age girls on as many
as seven occasions outside St. Maria Goretti School, struck again on
Thursday just as students were being dismissed, police said.

But this time, a group of girls in school uniforms angrily confronted
Susanto with help from some neighbors, police said. When Susanto tried
to run, more than 20 girls chased him down the block. Two men from the
neighborhood caught him and the girls took their revenge.

"The girls came and started kicking him and punching him, so I wasn't
going to stop them," neighbor Robert Lemons told The Philadelphia
Inquirer.

Susanto was later treated for injuries at a local hospital. Police said
he would be charged with 14 criminal counts including harassment,
disorderly conduct, open lewdness and corrupting the morals of a minor.

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JP Kabala

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Oct 31, 2003, 2:37:41 PM10/31/03
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gotta love South Philly---
and, if you know the history,
very much in the spirit of Maria Goretti

lol

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Farlo

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Edward Wedig <g-r-a-p-h-i-cd...@docbrown.net> wrote:

> But this time, a group of girls in school uniforms angrily confronted
> Susanto with help from some neighbors, police said. When Susanto tried
> to run, more than 20 girls chased him down the block. Two men from the
> neighborhood caught him and the girls took their revenge.

Two guys holding down a sad little man while a gang of so-called
christian girls beat him?

Disgusting.

I keep forgetting why I dislike some christians. It's not the religion,
half so much as the violent behaviour of its followers.

Onward bloody christian soldiers ... trampling on the bones of your
enemies from on high ... you SURE that you picked the right God?

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Farlo, the Urban Fey Dragon

Nathaniel Flick

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Oct 31, 2003, 2:55:36 PM10/31/03
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Christians or not, maybe that pervert will think twice before he behaves so
criminally again.


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Devin Hughey

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I think that a group of Christian Girls chasing him down and beating him up
was probably his dream come true.


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48073

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Nathaniel Flick <nflick...@san.rr.com> wrote:

>Christians or not, maybe that pervert will think twice before he behaves so
>criminally again.

Without professional help: The more he thinks about it, the sooner
he'll do it again.

48073.

rosserx

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"Edward Wedig" <g-r-a-p-h-i-cd...@docbrown.net> wrote in message
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> I think he got some of what he deserves.
>
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1
> &u=/nm/20031031/od_nm/girls_dc
>
> High School Girls Pummel Man Who Exposed Himself
> Fri Oct 31,10:31 AM ET Add Oddly Enough - Reuters to My Yahoo!

Ahhhh I just read this. My friend sent it to me in my email! (I live in
South Philly)

--
ra


Farlo

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48073 <48...@hotmail.invalid> wrote:

> Without professional help: The more he thinks about it, the sooner
> he'll do it again.

Definately.

Plus, now he is going to jail. He'll have *lots* of time to think about
how bad little girls are, how much he wants them and how important it is
not to get caught.

I see a problem.

There is a minor issue at the girls' end, too. Now they know that
violence *IS* a solution to some problems. Worse, they learned that
penises are bad and scary. Well, their school was probably teaching them
that concept anyways, but the idea appears to have taken hold. Lastly,
they learned that striking first at a guy being held down is okay.

Leanne

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Oct 31, 2003, 7:20:22 PM10/31/03
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> There is a minor issue at the girls' end, too. Now they know that
> violence *IS* a solution to some problems. Worse, they learned that
> penises are bad and scary. Well, their school was probably teaching them
> that concept anyways, but the idea appears to have taken hold. Lastly,
> they learned that striking first at a guy being held down is okay.

They'd only be taught that sex before marriage 'isn't okay' who really cares
though? If they dont want to have sex before marriage its there choice...

Plus, your little thing on 'this is why i dislike some christians' they're
catholic, not christian... very different religons... I went to a christain
school, we weren't taught that 'penises are bad and scary' nor that we
shouldn't have sex before we're married nor that we should to exactly what
they say... we were taught to make our own decisions in life.

You may find that in most private religous schools, the only ones who really
stick to 'old' rules are the catholic schools.

but like i said before, they probably wont think any differently to what
they did before... thousands of kids are exposed to violence everyday,
doesnt mean they are going to go out and kick the crap out of someone
because they left a bit of paper on the group etc etc.

Anyways, I'll stop rambling now!!

Leanne

(sorry if that doesn't make alot of sense, baby brains have kicked in)

Matt Bostock

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Oct 31, 2003, 8:10:47 PM10/31/03
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Hi,

Just to point out here, Catholicism *is* a *branch* of Christianisty. So
Catholics are actually Christians.

Matt
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Hi,

Just to point out here, Catholicism *is* a *branch* of Christianisty. So
Catholics are actually Christians.

Matt
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Wizard of Draws

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Oct 31, 2003, 8:26:36 PM10/31/03
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Farlo wrote:
>
> > But this time, a group of girls in school uniforms angrily confronted
> > Susanto with help from some neighbors, police said. When Susanto tried
> > to run, more than 20 girls chased him down the block. Two men from the
> > neighborhood caught him and the girls took their revenge.
>
> Two guys holding down a sad little man while a gang of so-called
> christian girls beat him?
>
> Disgusting.
>

Sympathy for a pervert...and none for the victims.
How PC of you.
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Josh

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Oct 31, 2003, 9:09:41 PM10/31/03
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> Sympathy for a pervert...and none for the victims.

Yeah really, and we can top it off with blaming religion, sheesh.


Drew

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Oct 31, 2003, 9:41:16 PM10/31/03
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Wizard of Draws wrote:

>>Two guys holding down a sad little man while a gang of so-called
>>christian girls beat him?
>>
>>Disgusting.
>>
>
>
> Sympathy for a pervert...and none for the victims.
> How PC of you.


Great point, Jeff.

Drew

JP Kabala

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Oct 31, 2003, 10:21:47 PM10/31/03
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Has everyone missed the point that Maria Goretti is a high school?
These are not little girls, they're teenagers.

Do any of you actually *know* any teenaged girls?
Been to the mall lately? How about Starbucks?
Can you imagine them shocked into immobility at
the sight of a penis? Yeah, right. Grossed out, maybe.

Of course, you'd probably all be applauding if their
fathers or older brothers decided to avenge their virtue--
but this is 2003, and girls have stopped waiting for the
Knight on the Charger to solve the problems. Would
it have been more PC to dial 911 on the cell?
Sure. Outlaw justice leads to anarchy.

My guess, educated as it may be, is that they finally
got tired of being hassled by the twerp and decided
to teach him a lesson. I find myself torn between
wanting to applaud their initiative and knowing
I should be appalled at the vigilantism.

And, FWIW, even in my day, the nuns didn't teach you that
penises were scary.
Frankly, they mostly didn't acknowledge that penises
existed at all.

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Farlo

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Oct 31, 2003, 10:32:12 PM10/31/03
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Wizard of Draws <jeffb...@REMOVEwizardofdraws.com> wrote:

> Sympathy for a pervert...and none for the victims.
> How PC of you.

What, are you going to beat a new attitude into me, or just whine?

Leanne

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> Just to point out here, Catholicism *is* a *branch* of Christianisty. So
> Catholics are actually Christians.

You have a point, but still very different religous rules


Brad

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Nov 1, 2003, 2:31:48 AM11/1/03
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Mix powerpuff girls and 'nun agression'. Now if they can lure internet chat
room predators into their own sting operation where the hapless "chat creep"
has his knuckles rapped to the point where he can't us a keyboard we will
have a mini-series.


Matt Bostock

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I think what you mean are the differences between Catholics and Protestants,
as both are based on Christianity because they are both Christian religions.

;)


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>
> > Just to point out here, Catholicism *is* a *branch* of Christianisty. So
> > Catholics are actually Christians.
>
> You have a point, but still very different religous rules
>
>

I think what you mean are the differences between Catholics and Protestants,
as both are based on Christianity because they are both Christian religions.

;)


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Wizard of Draws

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Fallacy. Those are not my only choices.

Wizard of Draws

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JP Kabala wrote:
>
> Of course, you'd probably all be applauding if their
> fathers or older brothers decided to avenge their virtue--
> but this is 2003, and girls have stopped waiting for the
> Knight on the Charger to solve the problems. Would
> it have been more PC to dial 911 on the cell?
> Sure. Outlaw justice leads to anarchy.
>
> My guess, educated as it may be, is that they finally
> got tired of being hassled by the twerp and decided
> to teach him a lesson. I find myself torn between
> wanting to applaud their initiative and knowing
> I should be appalled at the vigilantism.
>

As the father of a not-so-little-girl, my only regret is that they
didn't take their 'justice' one step further.

Farlo

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"Matt Bostock" <ma...@mattbostock.com> wrote:

> I think what you mean are the differences between Catholics and
> Protestants, as both are based on Christianity because they are both
> Christian religions.
>

The fighting between those two groups is historically a great embarassment.
Both groups never understood that loving one's neighbor is a great virtue.

I like the bible. I like Jesus. But how can I be a part of such silly
people as these followers?

Farlo

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Wizard of Draws <jeffb...@REMOVEwizardofdraws.com> wrote:

> Fallacy. Those are not my only choices.

Yet, here you are. *grin*

Farlo

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Wizard of Draws <jeffb...@REMOVEwizardofdraws.com> wrote:

> As the father of a not-so-little-girl, my only regret is that they
> didn't take their 'justice' one step further.

You don't understand the social implications of that statement.

Felony assault is a greater crime than misdemeanor public indecency.
Multiple convictions for indecency become a felony, but assault starts
out as one. Perhaps you should lobby the courts to make indecency a
felony?

That's what the Taliban did. Indecency became a capital offense.

Additionally, you are encouraging vigilantism, rule of mob. Hundreds of
years of trial by court, and you want to revert to barbarism at the first
slight. That's not pretty.

48073

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Nov 1, 2003, 4:21:24 PM11/1/03
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Farlo <hall...@att.net> wrote:

Good post.

48073.

48073

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Wizard of Draws <jeffb...@REMOVEwizardofdraws.com> wrote:


>
>As the father of a not-so-little-girl, my only regret is that they
>didn't take their 'justice' one step further.

Just lynch him you mean, like in the "good old days"?

Don't be stupid Wizard.

48073.

Wizard of Draws

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48073 wrote:

> >As the father of a not-so-little-girl, my only regret is that they
> >didn't take their 'justice' one step further.
>
> Just lynch him you mean, like in the "good old days"?
>
> Don't be stupid Wizard.
>
> 48073.

I will make no apologies for my emotional response. I belive in an eye
for an eye. That's essentially what happened in this case, but I
wouldn't have shed a single tear if it had gone further.

This guy was a repeat offender according to the story. Obviously our
justice system has failed time and again to protect our children from
this guy. The government has failed in it's primary duty to protect it's
citizens. As such, the only option left is what happened here.

If our government could be relied upon to do it's duty and fulfill it's
responsibility, my opinion *might* be different.

Matt Bostock

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I'm not supporting them nor knocking them, just defining what they are :)

Matt
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I'm not supporting them nor knocking them, just defining what they are :)

Matt
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48073

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Wizard of Draws <jeffb...@REMOVEwizardofdraws.com> wrote:

>48073 wrote:
>
>> >As the father of a not-so-little-girl, my only regret is that they
>> >didn't take their 'justice' one step further.
>>
>> Just lynch him you mean, like in the "good old days"?
>>
>> Don't be stupid Wizard.
>>
>> 48073.
>
>I will make no apologies for my emotional response. I belive in an eye
>for an eye.

Maybe they should have exposed themselves to him then. All at once.

48073.

J-Dogg

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Nov 1, 2003, 7:54:15 PM11/1/03
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That's a good article.

Regarding the discussions about this being a sort of religious mob, that's
stupid. You're using a violation of personal privacy as a poor bridge to
discredit certain organized religions. People with spirituality understand
the importance of treating neighbors as they would themselves be treated;
most organized religions actually practice the opposite, no matter what they
preach.

Religious arguments aside, I don't believe that those girls should have to
wait for the courts to slap this guy again: its a waste of my tax dollars.
He obviously wanted to get a reaction from the girls, and the courts'
penalties had very little effect, as operant conditioning goes. Maybe being
kicked in the teeth by his intended audience is more appropriate. At least
it's an honest reaction, delivered at the time of his poorly controlled
impulses.

The government in general exists to enforce the rights of the individual.
That does not mean that we have to call them every time someone offends us,
it means that in situations where we cannot settle our differences, we have
the right to ask them for assistance. The local government (the police and
the courts) help enforce personal rights, in the same way the military
(theoretically) protects us from foreign hostile interests. It's all about
the rights of the individual.

This guy already went through the court system, and now, thanks to the girls
catching and subduing him, he'll go through it again. I don't know how
Philly is with the three strikes rule, but no matter what the girls did to
him, we'll all be better off if he does hard time.

J

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> I think he got some of what he deserves.
>
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1
> &u=/nm/20031031/od_nm/girls_dc
>
> High School Girls Pummel Man Who Exposed Himself
> Fri Oct 31,10:31 AM ET Add Oddly Enough - Reuters to My Yahoo!
>

> PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - A man described by authorities as a known
> sexual predator was chased through the streets of South Philadelphia by
> an angry crowd of Catholic high school girls, who kicked and punched him
> after he was tackled by neighbors, police said on Friday.
>
> Rudy Susanto, 25, who had exposed himself to teen-age girls on as many
> as seven occasions outside St. Maria Goretti School, struck again on
> Thursday just as students were being dismissed, police said.


>
> But this time, a group of girls in school uniforms angrily confronted
> Susanto with help from some neighbors, police said. When Susanto tried
> to run, more than 20 girls chased him down the block. Two men from the
> neighborhood caught him and the girls took their revenge.
>

> "The girls came and started kicking him and punching him, so I wasn't
> going to stop them," neighbor Robert Lemons told The Philadelphia
> Inquirer.
>
> Susanto was later treated for injuries at a local hospital. Police said
> he would be charged with 14 criminal counts including harassment,
> disorderly conduct, open lewdness and corrupting the morals of a minor.
>
> --
>
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Farlo

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Wizard of Draws <jeffb...@REMOVEwizardofdraws.com> wrote:

> I will make no apologies for my emotional response. I belive in an eye
> for an eye.

An "eye for an eye" would mean that the girls would flash him.
HE did it - THEY do it back. Tit for tat.

Not exactly what you had in mind, is it?

I doubt that he would mind. That's a limit of Hammurabi's code, and the
Golden Rule. A sadomasochist may hold to the golden rule, but great googly
moogly - that doesn't make him a nice guy!

erika

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Unfortunately, this guy is likley mentally ill. The problem with sending him
off to do hard time is that in prison, people do not get the psychological help
that they need... so basically, we send them away to keep them off the streets
for the moment, and release them without having done much or anything to help
them.... and in many cases they end up being more screwed up. We are
assimilating criminals with the insane/mentally ill and the end result shows a
lack of sympathy for anyone our society sees as being "defective".

-Erika

Matt Bostock

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Nov 2, 2003, 8:05:49 AM11/2/03
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Yep, whilst in someways I really don't blame the girls for what they did, it
seems it got a little out of hand.

What really disgusts me is the people here who think the girls should have
went further, and would condone such actions. Should the man have been
killed before the people here are satisfied.

The guy needs help. Whatever happened to reform and rehab?

:(


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Carol Ott

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Word to the wise:

NEVER fuck with Catholic girls. We only get meaner and wiser as we get
older. Woe to the ones who don't know this.

Carol

Carol Ott

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My, my. You seem to have forgotten one important thing, Farlo.

Judge not, lest ye shall be judged.

Carol

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Carol Ott

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LOL!!!!

SO true.....

Carol

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Carol Ott

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Tough crap. I have no sympathy for the "mentally ill" when they start
messing with children, no matter how old the children may be.

String him up and let him swing. Sick nasty m-f.

Carol

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Carol Ott

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Studies have proven that it doesn't work with pedophiles.

Carol

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Brian Mays

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Farlo wrote:

> Two guys holding down a sad little man while a gang of so-called
> christian girls beat him?

Where did that story say they are "christian girls"? It said they are
Catholic high school girls...they attend a Catholic high school. It
mentions nothing about the religious affiliations of the girls.


Matt Bostock

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Doesn't ever work? Maybe we're using the wrong rehab methods. I'm not
dictating a solution, just looking at the possibilites :)

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Doesn't ever work? Maybe we're using the wrong rehab methods. I'm not
dictating a solution, just looking at the possibilites :)

Matt
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Carol Ott

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Not really, no. If you have a strong stomach, there's a lot of info on the
web, and most of the legit (note, I said LEGIT) studies say that there's
nothing that can be done, short of castration (my personal fave) or
heavy-duty drugs and incarceration.

As a parent, it's a pretty scary thing......I'm glad they have to register
with the police department and that information is available online in a lot
of states, including mine.

Carol

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Farlo

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"Carol Ott" <cs...@csottdesign.com> wrote:

> Judge not, lest ye shall be judged.

I am perfectly willing to be judged as a silly person.

*wink*

Farlo

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Brian Mays <bma...@sbcglobalNOCRUD.net> wrote:

> Where did that story say they are "christian girls"? It said they are
> Catholic high school girls...they attend a Catholic high school. It
> mentions nothing about the religious affiliations of the girls.

It's an easy inference that the girls are Catholic.
Catholics consider themselves Christians.

You can split that hair if ya want. Go ahead. :)

Mike Dobony

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> Edward Wedig <g-r-a-p-h-i-cd...@docbrown.net> wrote:
>
> > But this time, a group of girls in school uniforms angrily confronted
> > Susanto with help from some neighbors, police said. When Susanto tried
> > to run, more than 20 girls chased him down the block. Two men from the
> > neighborhood caught him and the girls took their revenge.
>
> Two guys holding down a sad little man while a gang of so-called
> christian girls beat him?
>
> Disgusting.
>
> I keep forgetting why I dislike some christians. It's not the religion,
> half so much as the violent behaviour of its followers.
>
> Onward bloody christian soldiers ... trampling on the bones of your
> enemies from on high ... you SURE that you picked the right God?

>
> --
> Farlo, the Urban Fey Dragon

Are you a sexual predator too? How many times have you been arrested?


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> 48073 <48...@hotmail.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Without professional help: The more he thinks about it, the sooner
> > he'll do it again.
>
> Definately.
>
> Plus, now he is going to jail. He'll have *lots* of time to think about
> how bad little girls are, how much he wants them and how important it is
> not to get caught.
>
> I see a problem.
>
> There is a minor issue at the girls' end, too. Now they know that
> violence *IS* a solution to some problems. Worse, they learned that
> penises are bad and scary. Well, their school was probably teaching them
> that concept anyways, but the idea appears to have taken hold. Lastly,
> they learned that striking first at a guy being held down is okay.

>
> --
> Farlo, the Urban Fey Dragon

Violence is the ONLY way to deal with terrorists. That is why the Bible
calls for executing such sexual predators, to keep them from sp[reading
their filth to others. If you read the article this is NOT the first time
he did this at the same school. What other alternatives do YOU suggest?
Before you condemn others, give a reasonable, workable solution.

BTW, while we do not advocate such behavior as chasing down and beating up,
we DO teach women to protect themselves against such predators as the guy in
the article and you.

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absolutely. When they start going after kids, you can pretty much count them
out of any of my we-wanna-help-you-get-better programs. castration.

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> Hi,
>
> Just to point out here, Catholicism *is* a *branch* of Christianisty. So
> Catholics are actually Christians.
>

Catholicism is ANTI-Christianity. It started out as a rebellion by one
bishop who had the audacity to declare himself above the other bishops.
Eventually the popes declared themselves God on earth, as it says on the
goofy hat he wears. In Christianity one is saved by being born again,
through surrender to Jesus Christ. In Catholicism it is by getting a shower
and obeying the sacraments. Christianity is salvation by faith.
CHatholicism is salvation by obedience to God on earth. Catholics reject
the literal teachings of the Bible. Christians follow the literal teachings
of the Bible.

When in Mexico the Pope actually came jsut shy of declaring open war against
Christians, per a missionary that was there.

OTOH, there ARE a very small minority of Catholics who can trully be
considered Christian. They read and believe and follow the Bible and reject
prayer to the demon of Mary. They direct their prayer only to the Father
and Jesus. They have surrendered their life to Jesus, not the church or the
Pope. Jut read Fox's Book of Martyrs to see what the Catholic church did to
Christians. If they did not reject faith in Jesus Christ and embrace the
Pope they were tortured and murdered. In the Philipines the Catholics are
good Catholics if they kill Christians. I personally know of someone they
tried to kill, but God protected him as this demon inspired Catholic shot at
him all night.

In Central America after the earthquakes and hurricanes the Catholics hand
out food but only if the Christians renounce their faith in Jesus Christ.
The Christians hand out the food regardless of who they are or what they
believe.

Personally I find it hard to believe I kept going to that filthy church for
so long. All I can say is that I am glad I found the truth and that Truth
has truly set me free!

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> Matt
> --
> I miss Rage Against The Machine.
>
>

> "Leanne" <ld...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > > There is a minor issue at the girls' end, too. Now they know that
> > > violence *IS* a solution to some problems. Worse, they learned that
> > > penises are bad and scary. Well, their school was probably teaching
them
> > > that concept anyways, but the idea appears to have taken hold. Lastly,
> > > they learned that striking first at a guy being held down is okay.
> >

> > They'd only be taught that sex before marriage 'isn't okay' who really
> cares
> > though? If they dont want to have sex before marriage its there
choice...
> >
> > Plus, your little thing on 'this is why i dislike some christians'
they're
> > catholic, not christian... very different religons... I went to a
> christain
> > school, we weren't taught that 'penises are bad and scary' nor that we
> > shouldn't have sex before we're married nor that we should to exactly
what
> > they say... we were taught to make our own decisions in life.
> >
> > You may find that in most private religous schools, the only ones who
> really
> > stick to 'old' rules are the catholic schools.
> >
> > but like i said before, they probably wont think any differently to what
> > they did before... thousands of kids are exposed to violence everyday,
> > doesnt mean they are going to go out and kick the crap out of someone
> > because they left a bit of paper on the group etc etc.
> >
> > Anyways, I'll stop rambling now!!
> >
> > Leanne
> >
> > (sorry if that doesn't make alot of sense, baby brains have kicked in)
> >
> >
> >
> Hi,
>
> Just to point out here, Catholicism *is* a *branch* of Christianisty. So
> Catholics are actually Christians.


>
> Matt
> --
> I miss Rage Against The Machine.
>
>

> "Leanne" <ld...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > > There is a minor issue at the girls' end, too. Now they know that
> > > violence *IS* a solution to some problems. Worse, they learned that
> > > penises are bad and scary. Well, their school was probably teaching
them
> > > that concept anyways, but the idea appears to have taken hold. Lastly,
> > > they learned that striking first at a guy being held down is okay.
> >

> > They'd only be taught that sex before marriage 'isn't okay' who really
> cares
> > though? If they dont want to have sex before marriage its there
choice...
> >
> > Plus, your little thing on 'this is why i dislike some christians'
they're
> > catholic, not christian... very different religons... I went to a
> christain
> > school, we weren't taught that 'penises are bad and scary' nor that we
> > shouldn't have sex before we're married nor that we should to exactly
what
> > they say... we were taught to make our own decisions in life.
> >
> > You may find that in most private religous schools, the only ones who
> really
> > stick to 'old' rules are the catholic schools.
> >
> > but like i said before, they probably wont think any differently to what
> > they did before... thousands of kids are exposed to violence everyday,
> > doesnt mean they are going to go out and kick the crap out of someone
> > because they left a bit of paper on the group etc etc.
> >
> > Anyways, I'll stop rambling now!!
> >
> > Leanne
> >
> > (sorry if that doesn't make alot of sense, baby brains have kicked in)
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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> "Matt Bostock" <ma...@mattbostock.com> wrote:
>
> > I think what you mean are the differences between Catholics and
> > Protestants, as both are based on Christianity because they are both
> > Christian religions.
> >
>
> The fighting between those two groups is historically a great
embarassment.
> Both groups never understood that loving one's neighbor is a great virtue.
>
> I like the bible. I like Jesus. But how can I be a part of such silly
> people as these followers?
>

Then you lie, you do NOT like Jesus. If you really like the Bible and read
it you would see that Catholics are NOT Christian and have been at war
against Christianity since the beginning.

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Mike Dobony

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> Wizard of Draws <jeffb...@REMOVEwizardofdraws.com> wrote:
>
> > As the father of a not-so-little-girl, my only regret is that they
> > didn't take their 'justice' one step further.
>
> You don't understand the social implications of that statement.
>
> Felony assault is a greater crime than misdemeanor public indecency.
> Multiple convictions for indecency become a felony, but assault starts
> out as one. Perhaps you should lobby the courts to make indecency a
> felony?
>
> That's what the Taliban did. Indecency became a capital offense.
>

Then he would not have had the multiple convictions and would not have
assaulted these young ladies.

> Additionally, you are encouraging vigilantism, rule of mob. Hundreds of
> years of trial by court, and you want to revert to barbarism at the first
> slight. That's not pretty.
>

If you would have read the article you would have noticed that he did this
many times before and was NOT caught. What alternative do you suggest?
Yes, it would have been much better if they would have just held the guy,
but that would unforutunatly have been unlawful restraint. The only legal
option they had would be to simply keep running after him until he entered a
vehicle and get the license plate or entered a building and notified police
of his location. The legal options unfortunately greatly benefit the abuser
and further victimizes the victims.

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J-Dogg

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> ... The legal options unfortunately greatly benefit the abuser

> and further victimizes the victims.

You do have the right to defend yourself against a real or perceived threat,
which is what these girls did. It's not that I agree with being lenient on
child molestors, because I don't, but the legal options greatly benefit the
accused, assuming innocence, rather than the convicted criminal, as you
implied. (It seemed that you were mixing apples and oranges, which detracted
from your otherwise solid argument. ;)

J


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A true chistian would turn the other cheek...

/Tomas

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Tomas Holm

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> Are you a sexual predator too? How many times have you been arrested?

Yeah right. He has an opinion that differs from yours so that makes him a
sexual predator? Get real!

/Tomas

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Tomas Holm

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>All I can say is that I am glad I found the truth and that Truth
>has truly set me free!

So you know the truth? Interesting. The guys that hijacked some planes sept
11 also claimed to know the truth. My ancestors that sacrifed goats also
claimed to know the truth. 1 billion chinese that worship Mao also knows the
truth.

I guess your "truth" is more true than the others, right?

/Tomas

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>
>As a parent, it's a pretty scary thing......I'm glad they have to register
>with the police department and that information is available online in a lot
>of states, including mine.
>

I can't argue with that... nor do I want to. I think its fair for the
protection and safety of both families and predators to have to register with
police. However, on the "beyond help" topic... when someone is beyond
rehabilitation, they should have available to them facilities that can help
them make steps in the right direction... What I am saying is they should be
put into an environment (maybe minimum security mental ward or the like) and
given treatment even if it is believed that they are beyond help. My biggest
point is that putting people who are mentally ill in prison is no way to deal
with them.... On average there is one psychologist to every 8,000 prisoners. We
have an ungodly number of mentally ill people in prisons, and the number is
climbing... while the number of people in mental institutions is declining now
down to about 80,000 people. When we send people like this to prison, we are
just taking a short term preventative means to keep them off the streets...
without any treatment, they will most certainly be out there doing it again.

-Erika

Tomas Holm

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From what I know I think the reason for the pedophilic behaviour are
unknown. Thats why only two methods work securly today, castration or
medication. Though will they only stop the sexual violence, not the
violence.

In this case there wasn't a pedophile though, just a flasher - big
difference.

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Tomas Holm

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Absolutly right!

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Brian Mays

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Farlo wrote:

> It's an easy inference that the girls are Catholic.
> Catholics consider themselves Christians.

I knew you'd say that :-)

> You can split that hair if ya want. Go ahead. :)

Ok, I will.

I know plenty of non-Catholic non-Christian parents who have sent their
kids to Catholic school for stronger discipline and to remove them from
public schools. Has nothing to do with the family's faith of choice.

Farlo

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Thank you, Tomas.

Mike D is a troll. He's not serious about the issue.
I won't be answering his posts.

Farlo

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"J-Dogg" <j-d...@quitspammingme.net> wrote:

> You do have the right to defend yourself against a real or perceived
> threat, which is what these girls did.

The paranoid are still insane. Assault is a felony.

Farlo

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Brian Mays <bma...@sbcglobalNOCRUD.net> wrote:

> Has nothing to do with the family's faith of choice.

I went to Catholic high school, as did both of my sisters. The non-
catholics were a very discrete minority. I couldn't name one guy that
wasn't Catholic at my school.

Farlo

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"J-Dogg" <j-d...@quitspammingme.net> wrote:

> absolutely. When they start going after kids, you can pretty much
> count them out of any of my we-wanna-help-you-get-better programs.
> castration.

Castration followed by lots of counseling seems like a good solution for
helping them. I'm not a big believer in the chemical version, though.

Farlo

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> Absolutly right!

Agreed.

erika

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>> You do have the right to defend yourself against a real or perceived
>> threat, which is what these girls did.

They were threatened by his penis? They obviously weren't too "scared" as they
and a few bystanders kicked his ass. I think this is evidence more of them
being fed up with the guy getting his wang out and deciding to do something
about it... I honestly think they girls should be punished appropriately... as
well as the rest of the people who participated in assulting him and the
flasher.

-Erika

Farlo

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I agree.

Carol Ott

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We had lots of students at my school who weren't Catholic. You don't have
to be Catholic to attend a Catholic school.

Carol

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"erika" <prock...@aol.com11111111> wrote in message
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> They were threatened by his penis? They obviously weren't too "scared" as
they
> and a few bystanders kicked his ass. I think this is evidence more of them
> being fed up with the guy getting his wang out and deciding to do
something
> about it...

You hit the nail on the head, exactly. They were fed up and did something
about it.

Whether this is right or wrong can be argued, debated, and phylosifed (is
that a word?) to eternity. My take on it? I live in the neighborhood where
this incident occurred, and, of coarse this is just my personal feeling, not
a blanket statement or judgment, people here are just brutally honest. When
you do something wrong, you will know about it. There is no silent
resentment that builds between people. If someone has a problem with you,
they will get in your face about it. It has nothing to do with being a
vigilante, when there's a problem, you deal with it head on. No games.

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ra


48073

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"Carol Ott" <cs...@csottdesign.com> wrote:


>
>String him up and let him swing. Sick nasty m-f.
>
>Carol

Every time you get on steam the image of a dusty hot desert street
pops into my brain...
A cowboy with a "funny walk" slowly comes my way...
When he's close enough to recognize him I see it's John Wayne.
:-D


P.S.
Anyone of you who loves the music of old "hollywoodcowboymovies" as
much as I do?

48073.


Carol Ott

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LOL!!

I hope I'm a little prettier than he was, but okay. :-)

Carol

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Matt Bostock

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Do people have no concept of Christian branches?

Catholics *ARE* Christian. You are probably referring to Protestants.

Matt
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When you refer to Christians, you mean Protestants; Catholics and
Protestants are both Christian.

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When you refer to Christians, you mean Protestants; Catholics and
Protestants are both Christian.

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> I know plenty of non-Catholic non-Christian parents who have sent their
> kids to Catholic school for stronger discipline and to remove them from
> public schools. Has nothing to do with the family's faith of choice.

I'm not Catholic and I've been sent to two Catholic schools :)

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>
>

Matt Bostock

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It ain't like that nowadays, I should know.

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Matt Bostock

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Yeep (I'm living proof).

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I agree castration is a great idea. As for the studies... think I'll pass :)

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> Not really, no. If you have a strong stomach, there's a lot of info on
the
> web, and most of the legit (note, I said LEGIT) studies say that there's
> nothing that can be done, short of castration (my personal fave) or
> heavy-duty drugs and incarceration.
>

> As a parent, it's a pretty scary thing......I'm glad they have to register
> with the police department and that information is available online in a
lot
> of states, including mine.
>

> Carol


>
> "Matt Bostock" <ma...@mattbostock.com> wrote in message

> news:bo4bmc$17k693$1...@ID-203300.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Doesn't ever work? Maybe we're using the wrong rehab methods. I'm not
> > dictating a solution, just looking at the possibilites :)
> >

> > Matt
> > --
> > I miss Rage Against The Machine.
> >
> >
> > "Carol Ott" <cs...@csottdesign.com> wrote in message

> > news:Iacpb.56063$AU.1...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> > > Studies have proven that it doesn't work with pedophiles.
> > >
> > > Carol
> > >

> > > "Matt Bostock" <ma...@mattbostock.com> wrote in message

> > > news:bo2vaf$167agj$1...@ID-203300.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > The guy needs help. Whatever happened to reform and rehab?
> > > >
> > > > :(
> > > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > Doesn't ever work? Maybe we're using the wrong rehab methods. I'm not
> > dictating a solution, just looking at the possibilites :)
> >

> > Matt
> > --
> > I miss Rage Against The Machine.
> >
> >
> > "Carol Ott" <cs...@csottdesign.com> wrote in message

> > news:Iacpb.56063$AU.1...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> > > Studies have proven that it doesn't work with pedophiles.
> > >
> > > Carol
> > >

> > > "Matt Bostock" <ma...@mattbostock.com> wrote in message

> > > news:bo2vaf$167agj$1...@ID-203300.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > The guy needs help. Whatever happened to reform and rehab?
> > > >
> > > > :(
> > > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Matt Bostock

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Yep, but there's a difference between castration and killing a man. Both
would hurt though.

:)
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> absolutely. When they start going after kids, you can pretty much count
them
> out of any of my we-wanna-help-you-get-better programs. castration.
>

> "Carol Ott" <cs...@csottdesign.com> wrote in message

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> > Tough crap. I have no sympathy for the "mentally ill" when they start
> > messing with children, no matter how old the children may be.


> >
> > String him up and let him swing. Sick nasty m-f.
> >
> > Carol
> >

> > "erika" <prock...@aol.com11111111> wrote in message

> > news:20031102065813...@mb-m06.aol.com...
> > > Unfortunately, this guy is likley mentally ill. The problem with
> sending
> > him
> > > off to do hard time is that in prison, people do not get the
> psychological
> > help
> > > that they need... so basically, we send them away to keep them off the
> > streets
> > > for the moment, and release them without having done much or anything
to
> > help
> > > them.... and in many cases they end up being more screwed up. We are
> > > assimilating criminals with the insane/mentally ill and the end result
> > shows a
> > > lack of sympathy for anyone our society sees as being "defective".
> > >
> > > -Erika

48073

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Why is it that your wounded heart is so full of hatred?

48073.

48073

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>Violence is the ONLY way to deal with terrorists.

You're teaching violence..

>That is why the Bible
>calls for executing such sexual predators, to keep them from sp[reading
>their filth to others.

The Bible does NOT teach humans to kill other human beings. No
religion does. If one did, it wouldn't last long for it would not be
"human".

> What other alternatives do YOU suggest?
>Before you condemn others, give a reasonable, workable solution.

People who believe in quick, workable solutions for big problems have
ALWAYS given us new torture chambers.

>BTW, while we do not advocate such behavior as chasing down and beating up,
>we DO teach women to protect themselves against such predators as the guy in
>the article and you.

Who do you mean by "we"? It sounds like you're living in an extremist
religious suicidal group deep down in the forests near Wacko.

What happens if someone decides to leave your community? Do you all
make his life a living hell? Like every sect does?

Just curious.

48073.

Matt Bostock

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I'll rephrase... :-)

Castration is a great idea for sex offenders.

Not for me personally lol :)

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Stan Wojda

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Mike, I'm sorry to say that your lack of tolerance is only matched by your
obvious lack of any knowledge of history. As the former art director of a
Catholic Monastary and someone who had a free lance business for nine years
doing direct mail fund raising for Catholic non-profits, I must respond to
your biased and uniformed post.

The Catholic Church was founded in a direct line from the directive by
Chirst to St. Peter. "Upon this rock I will build My church." Peter
establised the succession of authority which has been carried out with the
Popes to this day. All protestent churches were founded by men in "protest"
to some of the practices of the Catholic church. Some with good reason, most
because of the kind of ignorance you've shown.

I am not saying that in it's 2,000 year history the Catholic Church has not
had some bad apples and has not made some mistakes, it is after all a human
institution and humans are fallible. But it has been the one institiuion
that has tried to carry on the work and the teachings of Christ, unlike most
of the preversions of faith represented by the Protestant churches.

As for your claim that Popes declare themselves "God on earth" that is utter
nonsense. And I defy you to back up that claim.

As for the goofy hat. If your refering to his triple miter, as a designer
I'd tend to agree with you. But it is a symbol agreed upon in the middle
ages signifing his authority in the then divided (3 parts) Roman empire.

As for the Catholic interpertation of the Bible. The Bible is a divinly
inspired work but written by men. That is a reasonable and rational
description of a work that was written that is part history, part theology
with a heavy dose of fiction to explain supernatural events to tribe of
uneducated people wandering in the desert.

Mary was not a Demon, she was just a nice jewish girl who gave birth to a
son who did well for himself.

As I worked for a Catholic Missionary organization I can state that never
has any Catholic missionary demanded conversion in return for humanitarian
aid. While I don't doubt the facts of your story I do doubt the rational and
the concusions you've brought to it.

I'm reading between the lines of your post that at some point you yourself
were Catholic and have left the church. If that's the case I truly hope that
you are happy with whatever faith you've chosen and it is my hope that you
learn about that faith, its tenents and history better that you managed with
Catholicism. Because your views on the Church I'ts beliefs and history have
no bearing on reality.

Stan Wojda

Former Art Director of The Franciscan Friars of the Atonement
Former Art Director of "The Lamp, A Chistian Unity Magazine"
Staff artist for Maryknoll Missionarys
Direct Mail consultant for:
Franciscan Mission Associates
Jesuit Missionarys
Catholic Near East Welfare
Society for the Propogation of the Faith
The Christophers
The Marist Fathers
The Paulist Fathers

Matt Bostock

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I'm not Mike :-P :)

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"48073" <48...@hotmail.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Mike Dobony" <tkd...@hotmailspamnot.com> wrote:
>
>
> >Violence is the ONLY way to deal with terrorists.
>
> You're teaching violence..
>

Try talking your way out of a rape. Yea, it happens, but not often. The
only consistently reliable method of escape is physical resistance, that is,
kicking and hitting.

> >That is why the Bible
> >calls for executing such sexual predators, to keep them from sp[reading
> >their filth to others.
>
> The Bible does NOT teach humans to kill other human beings. No
> religion does. If one did, it wouldn't last long for it would not be
> "human".
>

What bible do you read?

> > What other alternatives do YOU suggest?
> >Before you condemn others, give a reasonable, workable solution.
>
> People who believe in quick, workable solutions for big problems have
> ALWAYS given us new torture chambers.
>

So much for a practical solution : ( In a sexual assault you do not have
time to do years of research in how to escape. You either do it or get
raped. In this particular situation the police could nor or would not do
anything. Without those young ladies doing something it would just happen
again and again and again and . . .

> >BTW, while we do not advocate such behavior as chasing down and beating
up,
> >we DO teach women to protect themselves against such predators as the guy
in
> >the article and you.
>
> Who do you mean by "we"? It sounds like you're living in an extremist
> religious suicidal group deep down in the forests near Wacko.
>

"We" are the nation's largest women's self-defense organization. Hardly
religious. Just people concerned about women's and children's personal
safety. We have been featured on The Sally Show, The Today Show, and CNN.

> What happens if someone decides to leave your community? Do you all
> make his life a living hell? Like every sect does?
>

Well, you had no alternative and now you resort to lunatic ravings. So much
for credibility and intelligence

> Just curious.
>

You mean just full of hatred.

> 48073.


Mike Dobony

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>
> "Mike Dobony" <tkd...@hotmailspamnot.com> wrote in message
> news:bo51uo$f5s$1...@ins22.netins.net...
> > ... The legal options unfortunately greatly benefit the abuser
> > and further victimizes the victims.

>
> You do have the right to defend yourself against a real or perceived
threat,
> which is what these girls did. It's not that I agree with being lenient on
> child molestors, because I don't, but the legal options greatly benefit
the
> accused, assuming innocence, rather than the convicted criminal, as you
> implied. (It seemed that you were mixing apples and oranges, which
detracted
> from your otherwise solid argument. ;)
>

Sorry if it came across as that, but consider that a rape victim that
reports the crime and has the assailant aprehended is going to be raped a
minimum of two more times. The pelvic examination is very much like being
raped again. Then, in the trial the victim is on trial and accused of
provoking the attack and being a prostitute and on and on. Then take the
Koby Bryant case. Many times the press and public label the victim as
"loose" or insane. SHE is blamed totally for the assault again. Many times
the victim has no rights and the accused and convicted get all the rights.
Extremely few sexual predators are convicted and even fewer are sent to
jail. They are free to go out an ddo it again and again, as in this
particular case.

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Mike Dobony

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Why don't you do a little research on the effects of even this type of
sexual assault. It is EXTREMELY destructive. Suicide is NOT uncommon for
ALL victims of sexual assault, whether physical, verbal, or visual.

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Mike Dobony

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> > Are you a sexual predator too? How many times have you been arrested?
>
> Yeah right. He has an opinion that differs from yours so that makes him a
> sexual predator? Get real!
>

He defends sexual predators. That is the same as a predator. We have too
much of that as it is. A new report from the Department of Justice shows
that 1 out of 3 girls and 1 out of 4 boys will be sexually assaulted before
they reach age 18. Part of the reason is just such a lack of concern about
the seriousness of sexual predators.

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> /Tomas


>
> >
> > "Farlo" <hall...@att.net> wrote in message

> > news:Xns9425767F711...@68.12.19.6...
> >> Edward Wedig <g-r-a-p-h-i-cd...@docbrown.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> But this time, a group of girls in school uniforms angrily confronted
> >>> Susanto with help from some neighbors, police said. When Susanto tried
> >>> to run, more than 20 girls chased him down the block. Two men from the
> >>> neighborhood caught him and the girls took their revenge.
> >>
> >> Two guys holding down a sad little man while a gang of so-called
> >> christian girls beat him?
> >>
> >> Disgusting.
> >>
> >> I keep forgetting why I dislike some christians. It's not the religion,
> >> half so much as the violent behaviour of its followers.
> >>
> >> Onward bloody christian soldiers ... trampling on the bones of your
> >> enemies from on high ... you SURE that you picked the right God?


> >>
> >> --
> >> Farlo, the Urban Fey Dragon
> >

> > Are you a sexual predator too? How many times have you been arrested?
> >
> >
>
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>
>


Tomas Holm

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Please.

I will say this even though you are a troll.

Show me one case that a person has comitted suicide because of a flasher.
Flashing isnt rape.

Now I think its time for you to place your anger somewhere else. Your local
priest should be able to help you deal with your problems if a psychologist
seems out of order.

/Tomas

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Giuseppe Carmine De Blasio

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> Your local
> priest should be able to help you deal with your problems if a
psychologist
> seems out of order.

Seems that he was a pedophile... that would explain a lot of things, don't
ya think...?

:-)

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Pepe
Milano, Italy


Tomas Holm

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:-)

/Tomas

>> Your local
>> priest should be able to help you deal with your problems if a
> psychologist
>> seems out of order.
>
> Seems that he was a pedophile... that would explain a lot of things, don't
> ya think...?
>
> :-)

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erika

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>Why don't you do a little research on the effects of even this type of
>sexual assault. It is EXTREMELY destructive. Suicide is NOT uncommon for
>ALL victims of sexual assault, whether physical, verbal, or visual.
>
>--
>Mike D.

I never said it wasn't destructive. Pick a fight with someone who wants to
argue with you... I don't waste my time with people who believe they are elite
and infallable.

-Erika

American

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"Farlo" <hall...@att.net> wrote in message
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> Thank you, Tomas.
>
> Mike D is a troll. He's not serious about the issue.
> I won't be answering his posts.

>
> --
> Farlo, the Urban Fey Dragon

Good boy.

Death to the christian military.

American

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> I think he got some of what he deserves.
>

That's what you get for having a little dick.

The girls should have ate him.

I mean that's what they have been practicing all thier lives everyday:
to eat the body and drink the blood. Collective behavior.

Shoot if any of those sluts were alone and the guy was big and black
they been down there in a second.

American

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"Mike Dobony" <tkd...@hotmailspamnot.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Farlo" <hall...@att.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns9425767F711...@68.12.19.6...
> > Edward Wedig <g-r-a-p-h-i-cd...@docbrown.net> wrote:
> >
> > > But this time, a group of girls in school uniforms angrily
confronted
> > > Susanto with help from some neighbors, police said. When Susanto
tried
> > > to run, more than 20 girls chased him down the block. Two men from
the
> > > neighborhood caught him and the girls took their revenge.
> >
> > Two guys holding down a sad little man while a gang of so-called
> > christian girls beat him?
> >
> > Disgusting.
> >
> > I keep forgetting why I dislike some christians. It's not the
religion,
> > half so much as the violent behaviour of its followers.
> >
> > Onward bloody christian soldiers ... trampling on the bones of your
> > enemies from on high ... you SURE that you picked the right God?
> >
> > --
> > Farlo, the Urban Fey Dragon
>
> Are you a sexual predator too? How many times have you been arrested?
>
>

Hey why don't you chew on this...

Do you practice cannibalism? communion
Do you worship a sexual torture device? the cross
Do you celebrate the rape of a 12 yearold? Mary was 12
Do you celebrate the castration of Jesus? Easter

48073

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"Mike Dobony" <tkd...@hotmailspamnot.com> wrote:

>
>"48073" <48...@hotmail.invalid> wrote in message
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>> "Mike Dobony" <tkd...@hotmailspamnot.com> wrote:
>>


>
>So much for a practical solution : ( In a sexual assault you do not have
>time to do years of research in how to escape. You either do it or get
>raped.

In a sexual assault: try to kill the predator. No excuse.
Blame it on self-defence and you have my sympathy for your action.

> In this particular situation the police could nor or would not do
>anything.

Here it was not a rapist but a flasher.

> Without those young ladies doing something it would just happen
>again and again and again and . . .

This guy is mentally ill. I doubt it very much if he's cured by their
action. If so, it would be ok. But I doubt it. It's shrink's work to
cure such a man.

>> >BTW, while we do not advocate such behavior as chasing down and beating
>up,
>> >we DO teach women to protect themselves against such predators as the guy
>in
>> >the article and you.
>>
>> Who do you mean by "we"? It sounds like you're living in an extremist
>> religious suicidal group deep down in the forests near Wacko.
>>
>
>"We" are the nation's largest women's self-defense organization. Hardly
>religious. Just people concerned about women's and children's personal
>safety. We have been featured on The Sally Show, The Today Show, and CNN.

Thanks for clarification.

>> What happens if someone decides to leave your community? Do you all
>> make his life a living hell? Like every sect does?
>>
>
>Well, you had no alternative and now you resort to lunatic ravings. So much
>for credibility and intelligence

Reading your anti catholic rage I had the impression you were just a
religious fanatic. I'm glad to hear you're not.

>> Just curious.
>>
>
>You mean just full of hatred.

No, just curious.

>> 48073.


American

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> Word to the wise:
>
> NEVER fuck with Catholic girls. We only get meaner and wiser as we
get
> older. Woe to the ones who don't know this.
>
> Carol

Death to your babies.

Carol Ott

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Fuck you, asshole.

Carol

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> Fuck you, asshole.

<plonk>

troll

O H D

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ignore list.

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Then why such a strong defense of the abuser? Anyone who defends sexual
assault is JUST as guilty as the actual abuser.

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in article boc2br$1rt$1...@news.netins.net, Mike Dobony at
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> Then why such a strong defense of the abuser? Anyone who defends sexual
> assault is JUST as guilty as the actual abuser.

I think that the response was just as much of a crime as the sexual assault.

There is a difference between supporting an abuser and not supporting the
crime of vigilantism.

(One who takes or advocates the taking of law enforcement into one's own
hands.)

Sexual assault is a crime, and so is vigilantism. Both don't need your
support.


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American

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thanks I needed that

Capitalist scum sucking maggot.

graphic design is not just a job, it's an adventure.

We are going to kick all your asses back to the stoneage.

Death to the christian military.

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