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"The Artist's Way" - anybody read it?

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andrew

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Jan 16, 2002, 8:20:27 AM1/16/02
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Just heard of it on wetcanvas.com.... didn't know it was a book.

I'm wondering if anyone here has read it, or is familiar with it in some
way. I guess it sounds a little intriguing.

Carol Ott

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Jan 16, 2002, 9:35:44 AM1/16/02
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Ugh. You can have my copy -- just send me your mailing address. Too
new-agey-self-help-inner-child-poor-me-i-have-problems......It's all
yours -- barely used. FREE!

Carol
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Jan 16, 2002, 9:58:00 AM1/16/02
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It is kinda deep... but there are some effective tools for jogging the
creative mind in that book.
...Like any other self-help book... it's just someone found a way that
works for them & thinks it might work for a whole bunch of other people too.
The author has written a few other similar books. The other one I like is
"The Artist's Date Book"... it has a bunch of funny little cartoons in it.

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andrew

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Jan 16, 2002, 10:14:35 AM1/16/02
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emailed ya.

andrew

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Jan 16, 2002, 10:15:02 AM1/16/02
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Thanks for the note!

fdoyle

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Jan 16, 2002, 11:57:53 AM1/16/02
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My wife read it and found it very inspirtational. I did not read it, but her
reactin to it was quite strong. She said it helped her realize the
importance of doing something creative every day.

Fred


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cpg

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Jan 16, 2002, 12:57:24 PM1/16/02
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I think it's great. If you've done 14 Days and enjoyed it, then you
already get the central premise. It's all about getting out there and
doing it and not worrying so much about what the 'it' is.

cpg

Mike C

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Jan 16, 2002, 1:48:05 PM1/16/02
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Janet met with a group of women that read the book together
and she found it interesting. Each week they read a chapter
and then came back the next week and talked about it. It
was also an informal way for artists to just get together
and talk.

":^) ®

Janet did not like everything about the book but I think she
had a positive reaction to the book.

":^) ®

Now me... I would not read such a book, I just do a painting.

":^) ®

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Dan

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Jan 16, 2002, 1:52:20 PM1/16/02
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andrew,

I "did the book" with nine other people a few years back -- it knocked my
socks off! If I hadn't been working with others, I would have quit two weeks
in and probably never picked it up again. If you do it, it is HARD. It is
INTENSE. Depending on where you are with yourself, it can be PAINFUL. It
continuously holds the mirror right up to your face and bores right into
your creative soul. But it is also an incredible creative rush. Absolutely
life-changing. I rate it the most powerful book on personal creativity ever
written.

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andrew

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Jan 16, 2002, 2:41:00 PM1/16/02
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Haven't done 14 days yet - I'll probably hop on board next round.

The second sentence loses me a little - I guess I'd know what you were
talking about if I read the book.

Believe me, I'm doing "it".... I think ;)

Giuseppe Carmine De Blasio

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Jan 16, 2002, 2:40:47 PM1/16/02
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But did you like it, Dan...?

:-)

Pepe
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andrew

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Jan 16, 2002, 2:41:35 PM1/16/02
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I just read something like this on a search... basically saying it should be a
group effort. Hmmm.

andrew

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Jan 16, 2002, 2:45:16 PM1/16/02
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Yeah, that's the thing. I don't know anybody else who would be interested.

I'm all for hard and intense... Painful it won't be, I'm sure I've contemplated
far worse than what I'd be asked to by the book. That said, the creative
aspects of it seem good.

I heard from someone else that the book is *very* self-helpy; I got the
impression, as I told that person, that based on their description it sounds
like a method of turning one's personal or family problems into "art".. of
course, I don't know.

Now, since you say it's the most powerful book on personal creativity.. well, I
might go read the liner notes now.

How did you find the group to "do" the book?

Fungusamungus

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Jan 16, 2002, 3:33:16 PM1/16/02
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Do any of those 'creativity joggers' involve introducing ones head to a
hard, solid object, repeatedly?

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cpg

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Jan 16, 2002, 4:43:24 PM1/16/02
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>The second sentence loses me a little - I guess I'd know what you were
>talking about if I read the book.
>
>Believe me, I'm doing "it".... I think ;)

What I mean is that it's very easy to spend all your energy worrying
about creating a perfect masterpiece or not having the right colors or
brushes or being unhappy with one's perceived level of progress.

That's wasted energy and very frustrating. I know. Take all that
energy and just do some art. You'd be surprised how many people spend
more energy on excuses for why they didn't do art than on the art
itself. I know because I'm one of those people.

Instead, the idea is just to do some art. ANY art. Because it's better
than not doing it.

simple. ;-)

Now if I'd just follow my own advice....cpg

Dan

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Jan 16, 2002, 4:53:36 PM1/16/02
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andrew wrote:

>>>How did you find the group to "do" the book?<<<

Pure luck! I was invited by some graphic design/photography friends. It was
an absolute lark, because they hadn't heard of the book either, only that
"It has something to do with being more creative; we're supposed to get this
book and show up on Thursday night -- wanna come?" oooouuuuu, mysterious --
I went. Dynamite decision.

>>>Yeah, that's the thing. I don't know anybody else who would be
interested.<<<

It's a pretty big deal in creative circles. There's always an Artist's Way
group going or just about to start. Ask around: Other designers,
photographers, hip coffee shops, art supply stores, college campuses, gritty
art galleries; they'll hook you up.

>>>sounds like a method of turning one's personal or family problems into
"art"<<<

Uh, no. I suppose you could, though :)

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Carol Ott

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Jan 16, 2002, 5:57:42 PM1/16/02
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If you have an artist's group in your city, you could probably join and see
if they'd be interested...or maybe someone there would know people who are
into it.

It's not a *bad* book -- it just wasn't what I was looking for. The
self-help part was a bit of a turn-off for me.

Carol
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andrew

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Jan 16, 2002, 6:41:39 PM1/16/02
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Well, I'm starting school next week... possibly find some stud.... erm,...
instructors who'd be interested ;)

There are some online groups, but I think with something like this I'd rather
face-to-face it.

Thanks!

andrew

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Jan 16, 2002, 6:42:43 PM1/16/02
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Yeah, I'll look around a bit.

Guess I might go back to the bookstore and browse it at least.. could be good.
I'm turned off a little bit by self-help, usually, like the Seven Habits type
stuff. I'm sure this is different. Maybe.

Dan

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Jan 16, 2002, 7:10:29 PM1/16/02
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andrew wrote:

>>>I'm turned off a little bit by...<<<

There will be SEVERAL things in this that will turn you off. You ultimately
don't have to buy into every little thing in order to make it worthwhile. I
have many pages in my copy that have numerous swear words in the margins --
written by me. It's a little embarrassing to look at now. I even have large
Xs through paragraphs (practically ripped through the paper) with the
notation "F***ing Idiotic." But I did every exercise.

If you're in a group, and people are actually doing the work, you'll see
people explode. Emotions will get to the ragged edge. BUT -- there will be
many "Ah-ha!" moments. Lots of them. Creativity is wonderful to feel and
explore in general terms, but getting to the core of how it works *for you*
is what the Artist's Way is all about.

Dan
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andrew

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Jan 16, 2002, 7:19:02 PM1/16/02
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You're not getting a commish, are you?

This is sounding intriguing. Any book that makes you write swear words in the
margin must have something going for it.

Emotions on the ragged edge?

What sounds great are the "Ah-ha!" moments. That's what I'm looking for.

Plenty of "F***ing Idiotic" moments going around. I need more Ah-ha.

Well, I will definitely browse it now. Even one Ah-ha moment is worth $15.

cpg

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Jan 17, 2002, 8:36:59 AM1/17/02
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>There will be SEVERAL things in this that will turn you off. You ultimately
>don't have to buy into every little thing in order to make it worthwhile. I
>have many pages in my copy that have numerous swear words in the margins --
>written by me. It's a little embarrassing to look at now. I even have large
>Xs through paragraphs (practically ripped through the paper) with the
>notation "F***ing Idiotic." But I did every exercise.
>
>If you're in a group, and people are actually doing the work, you'll see
>people explode. Emotions will get to the ragged edge. BUT -- there will be
>many "Ah-ha!" moments. Lots of them. Creativity is wonderful to feel and
>explore in general terms, but getting to the core of how it works *for you*
>is what the Artist's Way is all about.


well said, Dan.

cpg

Carol Ott

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Jan 17, 2002, 9:33:44 AM1/17/02
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Well here's a question for you:

Do you know of any books that have similar exercises but without the
self-help overtones? Kind of a "Visual Literacy" and "The Artist's Way"
combined....the best of both? I bought The Artist's Way in a small
bookstore (whose proprietress shrieked at me, "Dis ain't no LIBERRY. Buy
the book or KEEP MOVIN'.") So I didn't get a good look before I bought
it....hence my disappointment.

I need a book filled with creative exercises without the therapy.

Carol
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Jan 17, 2002, 12:28:46 PM1/17/02
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Dan knows what he's talking about...


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cpg

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Jan 17, 2002, 12:35:19 PM1/17/02
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>I need a book filled with creative exercises without the therapy.

I don't know of any -- let me know if you find some. There's the usual
stuff every few months in Print or How but I haven't seen anything
earth-shattering in a while.

cpg

Dan

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Jan 17, 2002, 2:14:23 PM1/17/02
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Carol wrote:

>>>I need a book filled with creative exercises without the therapy.<<<

??? That's a bit like wanting to fall in love and also wanting a guarantee
that you won't get your heart broken. No matter. Here are two excellent
tomes on creativity which keep the subject light, entertaining and
politically correct:

A Whack On The Side Of The Head by Roger von Oech, Ph.D
A Kick In The Seat Of The Pants by Roger von Oech, Ph.D.

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Brian Mays

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Jan 17, 2002, 2:27:28 PM1/17/02
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Carol Ott wrote:

> I need a book filled with creative exercises without the therapy.

A book that doesn't have exercises written out in step by step worksheet
formats but that does have general ideas on creativity and exercising it is
"Creativiy For Graphic Designers" by Mark Oldach. The author has written on
creativity in HOW Magazine a number of times also. Very enjoyable.

Brian

Carol Ott

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Jan 17, 2002, 9:27:58 PM1/17/02
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Bingo. Thanks!

Carol
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Carol Ott

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Jan 17, 2002, 9:28:36 PM1/17/02
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LOL. Read 'em both already.

Carol
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G. Fedota

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Jan 31, 2002, 2:30:00 PM1/31/02
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I took a six or eight week class...it worked for me. One on-going
exercise is to write what you dream and think. It helps you come to
terms with what you are dreaming and thinking. Like any discipline,
it is as valuable as the energy you put into it.

Fungusamungus

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Sheesh... if I wrote what I dreamt, I'd have a novel every couple of months!
(I've a very vivid dreamer, and I dream quite a lot too).

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Jan 31, 2002, 6:53:35 PM1/31/02
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Artists Way... Artists Way...
that'd be up near "Derelicts Crescent" just behind "Homeless Avenue" ... I
think theres a Null n' Voids store up thataway too...

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Grif

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I have to say I disagree about writing down your dreams, or trying to
remember them. You dream to relieve your mind of emotions, Essentially
dreams are an emotional dumping ground that use whatever images it can to
convey various situations, hence emotions relating to those situations. You
dream to get rid of these, it's like your brain in rebuilding it's desktop
DB :-)

Writing them down and remembering them is, imho, not a good idea. Especially
as they are difficult to interpret.

My 2 cent.

Grif

Glenn

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Feb 1, 2002, 3:47:36 PM2/1/02
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Actually, I believe "The Artist's Way" tool of writing (which is called
m"morning pages" in the book) is used precisely for "dumping" thoughts and
emotions, not remembering....

...writing down dreams is a seperate exercise in the book...


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Fungusamungus

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yeah, I also thought dreams helped you to realize things going on inside
that you didn't realize where there. Not just to dump them, but to work to
fix them. Besides, I have some pretty cool dreams (mostly sci-fi in nature)
that I like to 'recall'! :]

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