57 Days
Dan
secret links, one-off showings and a mention at my commercial site. The
foundation for all this, of course, is the annual 14 day work, although I
have included some pieces that were not part of those exercises.
I am showing 57 pieces in nine galleries and I have really tried to design
the navigation to be as friendly as possible. I have set it up so that no
matter where you are in the site, you can go to or return to any piece with
a maximum of two clicks. This probably won't be the case if I expand to 400
pieces, but it works for now. Additionally, once you're in any gallery, you
can see all 57 pieces without ever having to move your mouse (use the "next"
button).
Anyway, comments good or bad appreciated. Enjoy!
http://www.DanTurnerFineArt.com
Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com
Rohit Seth
Superb job Dan.
Rohit
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A good clean layout and the work is delightful! Good luck with it!
With warm regards,
Tony
http://artonio7.com
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Don Harris
I love "Sun on Moon". It would look great hanging in my office (of course,
just about anything would look great on my office's stud/insulation walls,
but that's beside the point).
A local artist has talked to me about the possibility of putting together an
all-digital artist show here. No traditional media. I only do digital works,
so it's intriguing to me as a possibility. Where do you get your prints
made?
TheDon
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Dan
>>>Where do you get your prints made?<<<
Harvest Productions in Anaheim Hills, CA. They make me feel great, they're a
treat to work with and the prints always look fabulous. Try reproducing some
of your digital work on canvas; it'll blow you away.
http://www.harvestpro.com/main.html
>>>of course, just about anything would look great on my office's
stud/insulation walls, but that's beside the point<<<
I kind of fancy the whole stud/insulation wall look. I could see a show in
that environment. Thanks for your comments. Much appreciated.
Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com
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Dan
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Dan
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Giuseppe Carmine De Blasio
The navigation requires some look at the whole screen and an eye for
details, which is perfectly designed for the target market... easier won't
add to the experience.
Very classy and soothing color scheme. the final result is higher (better is
not a math term) than the sum of the parts, IMHO.
Only critic is: I don't like the way that's written in third person at the
opening; and the wording I've found a bit... *pretentious*, for the lack of
a better word. And being the very first thing you read when you come to the
site, I think that sets the *wrong mood*, specially when in the inside, the
treatment is much more cohesive, warm and personal. Was it you lawyer the
wrote the opening, Dan?
:-)
Yours very truly,
Pepe
Milano, Italy
PS: Love the music/fine graphic art analogies... so very true...!
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Mike
D...@FreelanceWorkshops.com wrote on 6/16/03 7:52 PM:
> http://www.DanTurnerFineArt.com
Two similar pics...
http://www.artistmike.com/OregonPics/FairRiver8a.html
http://www.DanTurnerFineArt.com/fog_fogstudyone.htm
":^) ®
--
Mike
* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!
Site at: http://www.artistmike.com
Olivier Borgognon
a few critics though, it's slow loading when you guys should be sleeping
(like 8am europe time) (the gallery section and previews section)
i love the first page, and was quite surprised and somehow disapointed not
to find that sober white all over, for me the squares don't do anything...
and i must be very swiss in some ways, but why not have all the thumbnails
the same
height and width ?
your work on the otherhand is really amazing, i really like the last image
"tube" in the hollywood series.
olivier
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tomas.holm
Great job!
/Tomas
Den 03-06-17 04.52, i artikeln
aovHa.8520$0v4.7...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, skrev "Dan"
<D...@FreelanceWorkshops.com>:
Dan
>>>Only critic is: I don't like the way that's written in third person at
the opening; and the wording I've found a bit... *pretentious*, for the lack
of a better word.<<<
No, I think that's the right word. This is what I need to hear. Some friends
and I came up with a lot of that one evening. I was absolutely beside myself
for an intro and I was wrestling with the first person/third person thing.
They kept saying "cool" and "brilliant" and I said "Won't fly! -- it's gotta
be a lot more upper crust than that -- think!!" Someone said "larger vision"
and ohhhhh we took right off on that. They said some really nice things, but
I hammered it into this frankensteinian third person disjointed mess. Then I
looked at a lot of art sites and screwed it up even more with "art
language."
I think.
I don't know.
Maybe not.
Like you, I am *much* more comfortable with the interior pages. I gotta get
that tone up front. Good call.
>>>Yours gotta be the best use yet I've seen for PVII products.<<<
Thanks! That is high praise 'cause there is a lot of really good design
surrounding PVII.
>>>Very classy and soothing color scheme. the final result is higher (better
is not a math term) than the sum of the parts, IMHO.<<<
Right on Pepe! Thanks for the time.
Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com
Yeah, like I got a larger vision. WTF???
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Dan
>>>it's slow loading when you guys should be sleeping (like 8am europe time)
(the gallery section and previews section)<<<
Thanks Oliver; I noticed that there was a five minute slowdown just before 1
a.m. here. This could be routine wee-hour maintenance; I have sent them an
email to check. Everything is fast right now :-)
>>>i love the first page, and was quite surprised and somehow disapointed
not to find that sober white all over, for me the squares don't do
anything...<<<
I wanted to differentiate the Galleries from the information pages. I am
very pleased with the effect, but I will pay attention to comments here to
see if this is a problem for people.
>>>and i must be very swiss in some ways, but why not have all the
thumbnails the same height and width ?<<<
Good point. The answer is because then I would have to crop them, and I
think it's important to have as true a visual reference as possible for
someone who is trying to find a particular piece, especially on a return
visit. Creative thumbnail cropping works very well in some situations, you
get that double surprise thing going. But with so many pieces, I don't need
the double whammy!
I have sort of a forced same-size thing on the New Work page....
http://www.danturnerfineart.com/newwork.htm
....and that works well for a few pieces, but is too much for the preview
page.
>>>your work on the otherhand is really amazing, i really like the last
image "tube" in the hollywood series.<<<
Tube has always gotten more response than I thought it was going to. Thanks
for your comments!
Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com
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Dan
>
> Great job!
Appreciate it. Thanks, Tomas.
Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com
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Tom
Tom
UK
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Carol Ott
Lovely site, Dan -- it just *works*.
Carol
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cpg
*Very* nice looking site Dan, with some exceptional artwork. That was
a nice way to start my morning. Makes me want to make time to do some
art!
cpg
cpg
>
>http://www.artistmike.com/OregonPics/FairRiver8a.html
>http://www.DanTurnerFineArt.com/fog_fogstudyone.htm
It's like you guys are brothers or something...
cpg
Don Harris
thedon
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> secret links,
Dan, beautiful stuff! I only have one itsy-bitsy issue and it may not even
be worth mentioning - it's probably just me, ya know?... but the text in
your menu buttons looks aliased - very jaggy. When compared with actual text
of the same size that is not in an image, it's kind of noticable. Or is the
font in those images something that just falls apart when anti-aliased?
cpg
Here's a couple of weird things:
This one is more of the easter egg variety. On XP IE 6 if you click
and then drag the mouse on to your menu you get this -- I did this
trying to select your menu text to see if it was text or an image:
http://www.nettango.com/cpg/screen.jpg
A more serious issue is this one in NS 6.2. I've seen this before and
don't know what causes it but this is just on a regular old mouseover:
http://www.nettango.com/cpg/screen2_ns62.jpg
cpg
Ranxerox
rolls at discerning McDonalds everwhere. Art for the "Mickey-marketer"
white bread, unchallenging, status quo.
Pure unadulterated dreck for suckers. Empty of meaning or nuance save
the sad patheticism of 'pretty colours' poorly rendered and trying,
trying, trying finally to extract the last piece of coin from the bank
accounts of the middle aged, middle managed, middle classed and sadly
out bullshitted, sadly disrespected aspiring art lover... More spewed up
crap from the corpo "I know whats good for you" types...
but hey; just keep 'splashing some colours around' and copping other
folks art to make your little composites - when you grow up, who knows
who'll fall for it?
A suggestion though ... try an art school... (if you did go... and by
the looks of it you either didn't or have forgotten a LOT... this time
dont skip classes... or dont talk so much).
So... go back to school and maybe learn a little something, unless its
too hard or complicated - in which case you could always keep your sales
job.
Hope that helps.
Don Harris
thedon
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fdoyle
I'm glad to see you promoting Giclee as an art medium. I am curious how it
is being accepted as an art medium. Here, it is generally not well accepted
by more traditional artists, but has been rapidly adapted by many digital
artists. (I know, we are a little behind here in the provinces :) )
Please, let us all know how well this site goes for you. I'm sure most of us
have an interest in how well this site promotes your work.
Fred Doyle
www.leafpublishing.com
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SpaceGirl
> Very classy and soothing color scheme. the final result is higher (better
is
> not a math term) than the sum of the parts, IMHO.
You mean "greater"? The actual saying is "...is greater than the sum of it's
parts".
SpaceGirl
fault either!
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Gem
>Anyway, comments good or bad appreciated. Enjoy!
Well, that Flash intro took forever to load AND the type is waaaaay too tiny
and unresizable..... *joke* :)
I must agree with Pepe about the third person dialog sounding very pretentious
and with someone else who mentioned the background image for the preview page
as being not quite right. The pattern does nothing to enforce the
intended/stated mood of the art, nor does it seems to gel with the general feel
or serve to spotlight the display.
I wonder why the you didn't use the same font for the scripty titles as you
used for 'fine' in your header.
Top nav bar: A very small concern: on mouseover some of the drop down titles
for galleries are hidden by alt text bubbles.
A somewhat larger one: Acquisition drop down menu disappears unless you move
your mouse _under the nav bar to avoid touching any other titles. Annoying
after three trys to get to the drop down. Maybe reposition the titles on the
bar or add a different event.
The scripted 'contact' on the contact page looks oddly positioned/broken up
behind the form fields. Maybe you could dress up those fields a bit. Do you
really think you need a snail mail address there? How about just your phone and
fax number?
preview page: set a neutral or whatever background color in body tags.
background image loads last and until it does, it shows my default color which
is coral pink. kack.
process page: it's 'kicking *and* screaming'
something weird is happening with the dashed line when I scroll. Nice
monologue, but it almost sounds like this is very painful for you, not in a
good way.
I dunno, would average buyers really care how big the file is or how many
layers it has or what media you had to burn it to.
Featured art on this page has feathered edge, on some other pages they are
solid-edged. Any reason for the difference in display?
acquisition page: I think I would request the art be returned in the exact same
pristine state it was received by the client, instead of in just 'good
condition'. Good condition is an opinion. ;)
something weird is happening with the dashed line when i scroll.
pricing page could use a lot more polish. seems very pedestrian, ebay-ish or
word processor-ish, next to the rest of the site. Where's your shopping cart?
What if they want to buy--right now?? :)
Tighten up the columns so it's easier to scan for sizes and prices. Try some
different font colors and/or sizes to separate information. There is no
shipping info/pricing or approximate turnaround timeframes offered.
What about a newsletter/mailing list for interested buyers who would like to
view new work first? Or get showing and gallery info?
Some quotes on some pages are uncredited. If they are yours, say so, if not
then credit them.
Anyway, hth, and good luck with it.
--
Gem
Giuseppe Carmine De Blasio
it's
> parts".
>
Oh... the advantages of speaking one's native tongue...
:-)
Pepe
Milano, Italy
PS: I've never said I was perfect, have I...? :-)
Giuseppe Carmine De Blasio
>
It's called *beer goggles*, Dan.
:-)
Pepe
Milano, Italy
Drew
>Is it wise to have a copy of your signature on the website?
>Tom
>UK
>
>
Is that what that is? I first thought it was a scan of a squashed bug or
something.
Drew
Drew
>I've built a new home for my fine art, which has until now been relegated to
>secret links, one-off showings and a mention at my commercial site. The
>foundation for all this, of course, is the annual 14 day work, although I
>have included some pieces that were not part of those exercises.
>
>
Good job Dan. A few negatives: I second the "pretentious" third person
crap. Very transparent leaving a dinghy impression.
Your background choice is distracting to me and a little to modern and
inorganic.
Just my 2¢
Drew
Melissa
> secret links, one-off showings and a mention at my commercial site. The
> foundation for all this, of course, is the annual 14 day work, although I
> have included some pieces that were not part of those exercises.
>
> the navigation to be as friendly as possible. I have set it up so that no
> matter where you are in the site, you can go to or return to any piece with
> a maximum of two clicks. This probably won't be the case if I expand to 400
> pieces, but it works for now. Additionally, once you're in any gallery, you
> can see all 57 pieces without ever having to move your mouse (use the "next"
> button).
>
>
>
>
the site looks really nice, Dan.
Your artwork is nice also.
Have you sold a lot of work?
-Melissa
> Dan
> http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com
48073
wrote:
>
>Anyway, comments good or bad appreciated. Enjoy!
>
>http://www.DanTurnerFineArt.com
Good work Dan! Loved to see it.
"Hollywood Eyes" is * cool* .
48073.
Dan
>>>Your work is absolutely beautiful, I had several favorites, let's just
say about all of them.<<<
Thanks Val!
>>>The only things I noticed is the links on the bottom disappear into the
page on mouseover, no huge deal though.<<<
I'm still sort of on the fence about that. I went through several background
options, and each time I had to make *four* new choices about the link
colors (link, visited, hover, active). That eventually got too complicated
so I switched 'em to only two (link, hover) to finish the site. I think I
just got used to it! As long as they're doing something not-too-obnoxious,
I'm happy. Thanks for mentioning it, they could change.
Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com
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> Dan,
> Your work is absolutely beautiful, I had several favorites, let's just
> say about all of them. The layout is great and it is very easy to
> navigate. The only things I noticed is the links on the bottom
> disappear into the page on mouseover, no huge deal though. I really
> enjoyed your gallery though, I am bookmarking it so i can watch it
> grow.
> val
> >I've built a new home for my fine art, which has until now been relegated
to
> >secret links, one-off showings and a mention at my commercial site. The
> >foundation for all this, of course, is the annual 14 day work, although I
> >have included some pieces that were not part of those exercises.
> >
> >I am showing 57 pieces in nine galleries and I have really tried to
design
> >the navigation to be as friendly as possible. I have set it up so that no
> >matter where you are in the site, you can go to or return to any piece
with
> >a maximum of two clicks. This probably won't be the case if I expand to
400
> >pieces, but it works for now. Additionally, once you're in any gallery,
you
> >can see all 57 pieces without ever having to move your mouse (use the
"next"
> >button).
> >
> >Anyway, comments good or bad appreciated. Enjoy!
> >
> >http://www.DanTurnerFineArt.com
> >
> >
> >Dan
> >http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com
> >
>
Dan
>>>the text in your menu buttons looks aliased - very jaggy.<<<
That was a trade-off that I made early on. I preferred that the bitmap text
go towards jaggy (and readable) than risking a too-soft look at certain
resolutions or on older monitors that are starting to fog. It was the best
of what I had going at the time :-)
>>>Dan, beautiful stuff!<<<
Appreciate it, Hunter!
Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com
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Dan
>>>LOL -- "Hodgepodge of crap"......very eloquent. ;-)<<<
Thanks! That's my true writing style. I get way too caught up in trying to
make a good impression, as members of ADG will testify.
I need to be more raw.
Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com
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Dan
>>>I'm glad to see you promoting Giclee as an art medium. I am curious how
it is being accepted as an art medium.<<<
The whole fine art Giclee thing is about 10 years old, and it's only been
seriously cranked up over the last five years. Harvest Productions is doing
giclees for living, working *name* artists that are selling for $20,000 -
$30,000 apiece (Giclees are reproductions, not originals). Museums are
putting rare, original paintings in the vault and showing giclees in their
place -- the process is that good.
>>>Here, it is generally not well accepted by more traditional artists,<<<
I have been to more than one dinner party (as recent as two nights ago as a
matter of fact) where "traditional" artists nearly get physically ill at the
mention of giclee. They know exactly what art is and that ain't it!! You can
cut the fear with a knife.
OTOH, I have one art acquaintance whose career really blossomed because of
giclee. She toiled endlessly for years to sell six or seven paintings per
year. Now nearly every painting she does has a giclee equivalent, and the
lions share of her sales are giclee. Prices on her originals have tripled
because they are perceived to be much more valuable. She's all smiles.
Speaking for myself, my art has always meant more to me than to anyone who
has ever acquired it. That may be a false perception, but it's how I feel.
Whenever an original has left my possession, I'm depressed. I'm happy for
them, of course, and I could certainly use the money, and it feels good to
sell something, but I feel a loss. The art is mine and it will always be
mine no matter where it is. There is only one exception to this, and that is
when I make a gift of art to someone I truly love. Then it's easy.
Unfortunately, this does not spill over onto Joe and Jane Artbuyer. That's
probably some weird psychosis that I should deal with! However, with giclees
I *can* have my cake and have more than enough for everybody else, too. My
art, my files, my process, my originals (such as they are) stay with me. I
get to share, sell and profit from my art with people who can appreciate it
without having to slice off a piece of my soul to do it.
There are far too many "successful" artists living at the edge of poverty.
They may have sold an original 30 years ago for $300 that has changed hands
several times and sells today for $90,000. I don't want to unbalance the art
world and it's many patrons, but I would really like that artist to get a
piece of that action. Even if they could only sell a few giclees of their
most popular pieces, they could have a great retirement. Some people argue
that this would really screw up the system; I think the system is ready,
willing and able to deal with it and profit from it.
Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com
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Dan
>>>I second the "pretentious" third person crap. Very transparent leaving a
dinghy impression.<<<
I hear that! I'm changing it. I'll alert you to the rewrite.
>>>Your background choice is distracting to me and a little to modern and
inorganic.<<<
I'll see what I can do. This is not high on my list of things to change, so
give it a bit. It *could* change.
Thanks Drew.
Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com
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Dan
>the site looks really nice, Dan.
>Your artwork is nice also.
>Have you sold a lot of work?
So far, just enough to be encouraging, but not enough to support me :-) This
year I have received some interest from people who are in a position to help
me move this down the road, so the site is part of my attempt to be ready to
make the most of whatever opportunities come along.
Thanks for your comments, Melissa.
Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com
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Dan
My signature is everywhere as it is and has been for years; this is just one
more place. It's not like I've posted my credit card
information.....although.....would anyone be interested in that?
Thanks for looking, Tom!
Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com
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Dan
>>>Here's a couple of weird things: This one is more of the easter egg
variety. On XP IE 6 if you click and then drag the mouse on to your menu you
get this -- I did this trying to select your menu text to see if it was text
or an image:<<<
http://www.nettango.com/cpg/screen.jpg
Yeah, that's weird! I can't reproduce it on my XP IE 6, but it's caused by a
div that's not doing anything useful that I can see....until I delete it,
then my rollovers go wiggy. I'll need to check with the CSS group on that
one -- thanks for the screen shot!
>>>A more serious issue is this one in NS 6.2. I've seen this before and
don't know what causes it but this is just on a regular old mouseover:<<<
http://www.nettango.com/cpg/screen2_ns62.jpg
Again, no answers. Does the button/text appear normal if you're not mousing
over it?
Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com
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M Lewis
The site is clean and well designed and your work is excellent.
Keep us informed on the kind of traffic you experience.
Mike
"Dan" <D...@FreelanceWorkshops.com> wrote in message
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> I've built a new home for my fine art, which has until now been relegated
to
> secret links, one-off showings and a mention at my commercial site. The
> foundation for all this, of course, is the annual 14 day work, although I
> have included some pieces that were not part of those exercises.
>
> I am showing 57 pieces in nine galleries and I have really tried to design
> the navigation to be as friendly as possible. I have set it up so that no
> matter where you are in the site, you can go to or return to any piece
with
> a maximum of two clicks. This probably won't be the case if I expand to
400
> pieces, but it works for now. Additionally, once you're in any gallery,
you
> can see all 57 pieces without ever having to move your mouse (use the
"next"
> button).
>
> Anyway, comments good or bad appreciated. Enjoy!
>
Dan
>>>*Very* nice looking site Dan, with some exceptional artwork. That was a
nice way to start my morning. Makes me want to make time to do some art!<<<
Yeah, doesn't it? Me too! Thanks CPG -- my pleasure.
Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com
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> >Anyway, comments good or bad appreciated. Enjoy!
> >
> >http://www.DanTurnerFineArt.com
>
> *Very* nice looking site Dan, with some exceptional artwork. That was
> a nice way to start my morning. Makes me want to make time to do some
> art!
>
> cpg
Dan
Dan
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Gem
> Artwork is only art when shared.
Yes, I am sure Michelangelo was stumbling around all day feeling the same way
until the first people came in to attend a service at the Sistine Chapel and
happened to look up...
> I am curious how it
>is being accepted as an art medium.
From what I have read and discussed at length with others:
It is very popular and is gaining acceptance __ except __among the true
traditional artists and their connoisseurs. Some feel it is to fine art as MS
word is to graphic design.
Having engaged in both, I believe there is a distinct difference in my creative
experience between creating art in traditional medium opposed to using computer
software for artful expression. Although each involve a creative thought
process and a desire to express an inspiration, for me personally, the
traditional expression is confoundedly more satisfying. This does not nullify
any feelings of satisfaction garnered from my digital work, only they are
experienced to a different degree and serve a more instant gratification.
As it is the objective nature of an audience and their preferences which drive
the business of marketing such works, and the more prolific it becomes,
giclee'd digital art may/will become very big, but I do not see it as a
replacement for traditional mediums used to create art, more an alternate or
parallel venture.
--
Gem
Dan
>>>I must agree with Pepe about the third person dialog sounding very
pretentious<<<
Why did I not go with my gut on that one??? I'm changing it!
>>>The pattern does nothing to enforce the intended/stated mood of the art,
nor does it seems to gel with the general feel or serve to spotlight the
display.<<<
My gut is okay with that one. But I'll play with it.
>>>I wonder why the you didn't use the same font for the scripty titles as
you used for 'fine' in your header.<<<
How much are you wondering? What's it worth to ya? I actually think that's a
pretty good observation. I think I should try it and see what happens.
>>>Top nav bar: A very small concern: on mouseover some of the drop down
titles
for galleries are hidden by alt text bubbles.
Irritating and yet strangely fascinating. Does one delete the alt tags and
immediately solve this thereby screwing up my conscientious attempt to help
blind people navigate my site (who can't even see the art to begin with)? I
suppose I could just redesign that whole section. Or wait and see how the
next edition of IE handles alt tags. Yeah, that's a solution. I'm tired and
I'm sticking with that one.
>>>A somewhat larger one: Acquisition drop down menu disappears unless you
move your mouse _under the nav bar to avoid touching any other titles.
Annoying after three trys to get to the drop down. Maybe reposition the
titles on the bar or add a different event.<<<
Noted.
>>>The scripted 'contact' on the contact page looks oddly positioned/broken
up behind the form fields. Maybe you could dress up those fields a bit. Do
you really think you need a snail mail address there? How about just your
phone and fax number?<<<
I like that section except for the words "snail mail" -- that cheapens my
whole site. What's a better word(s). Mailing address? Traditionalist
Communication? What?
>>>preview page: set a neutral or whatever background color in body tags.
background image loads last and until it does, it shows my default color
which is coral pink. kack.<<<
Thumbs up! Good one. Never a problem before because I wasn't controlling the
backgrounds with CSS.
>>>process page: it's 'kicking *and* screaming'<<<
Finally! Something I can fix *now.* Done.
>>>something weird is happening with the dashed line when I scroll.<<<
A-ha! This is a known bug in IE 6. It smears dashed lines on a vertical
scroll. Wait for the update.
>>>Nice monologue, but it almost sounds like this is very painful for you,
not in a good way.<<<
It can be fairly emotional. My soul is in that work, more than any
commercial work that I've ever produced. Ultimately, that's good.
>>>I dunno, would average buyers really care how big the file is or how many
layers it has or what media you had to burn it to.<<<
Not so much. But other artists are very interested.
>>>Featured art on this page has feathered edge, on some other pages they
are solid-edged. Any reason for the difference in display?<<<
Variety and subconscious navigation. I wanted to cover all the bases :-)
>>>acquisition page: I think I would request the art be returned in the
exact same pristine state it was received by the client, instead of in just
'good condition'. Good condition is an opinion. ;)<<<
Right again. I'm changing that too!
>>>pricing page could use a lot more polish. seems very pedestrian, ebay-ish
or word processor-ish, next to the rest of the site. Where's your shopping
cart? What if they want to buy--right now?? :)<<<
Deciding whether I should post prices or not was pure torture. Ping-Pong
City. So far, my buyers have not been the impersonal type. Talking with the
artist was a big part of the process for them. Although doing it
impersonally has not been an option. Still thinking about the shopping cart.
>>>Tighten up the columns so it's easier to scan for sizes and prices. Try
some different font colors and/or sizes to separate information. There is no
shipping info/pricing or approximate turnaround timeframes offered.<<<
True. This section looks about as sure as I am of it. I think it will remain
that way until I pile up more feedback.
>>>What about a newsletter/mailing list for interested buyers who would like
to view new work first? Or get showing and gallery info?<<<
Excellent idea!
>>>Some quotes on some pages are uncredited. If they are yours, say so, if
not then credit them.<<<
Beats me who said them. I have them scrawed in a book with a bunch of odds
and ends. Maybe someone will claim them.
Thanks for your thoughts and observations, Gem. Many of your suggestions
will be made and my site will be the better for it.
Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com
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Dan
>>>...go back to school...<<<
Oooookiieeee, Dokieeee :-)
Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com
Carol Ott
"print"? Many famous fine artists sell prints of their original works --
heck, even I do that, and I'm not famous at all.
And have these naysayers seen the quality of a well-printed giclee?
Hooo-boy. Gorgeous stuff.
Carol
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Dan
>
> "Hollywood Eyes" is * cool* .
Thanks!
Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com
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Dan
>>>Dan, You made me go look up the word, I had no idea what it meant, learn
something new everyday! Thanks.<<<
Whoops, here you go, Val :-)
http://www.danturnerfineart.com/giclee.htm
Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com
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> Dan, You made me go look up the word, I had no idea what it meant,
> learn something new everyday! Thanks.
> val
Dan
Dan
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Dan
>>>And have these naysayers seen the quality of a well-printed giclee?
Hooo-boy. Gorgeous stuff.<<<
When pressed, you will discover that they have not.
Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com
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SamMan
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> Souless, hackneyed, vapid junk suitable for display on bathroom toilet
> rolls at discerning McDonalds everwhere. Art for the "Mickey-marketer"
> white bread, unchallenging, status quo.
> Pure unadulterated dreck for suckers. Empty of meaning or nuance save
> the sad patheticism of 'pretty colours' poorly rendered and trying,
> trying, trying finally to extract the last piece of coin from the bank
> accounts of the middle aged, middle managed, middle classed and sadly
> out bullshitted, sadly disrespected aspiring art lover... More spewed up
> crap from the corpo "I know whats good for you" types...
>
> but hey; just keep 'splashing some colours around' and copping other
> folks art to make your little composites - when you grow up, who knows
> who'll fall for it?
>
> A suggestion though ... try an art school... (if you did go... and by
> the looks of it you either didn't or have forgotten a LOT... this time
> dont skip classes... or dont talk so much).
>
> So... go back to school and maybe learn a little something, unless its
> too hard or complicated - in which case you could always keep your sales
> job.
>
> Hope that helps.
artonio7/Tony/Anthony/
original...with a "mechanical" process... it's associated with offset
lithography or confused with commercial printing, and as such many feels
that it cheapens the *ART* (value equating to rarity). Certainly there are
different forms of printmaking used for reproductions which are art-forms in
themselves; etching, lithography, serigraphy, linoleum block printing, etc.
Interesting the market value of the print is often determined by each prints
number in an edition...If the artist made an edition of 50 they would be
numbered 1/50, 2/50, 3/50 thru 50/50. The artists proof would be the first
print pulled from the plate or stone, and is usually signed with an a/p, the
title of the piece, and the artists signature. The artist proof is usually
the most valuable of the edition and each subsequent print looses it's
value. This has more to do with the degradation of the image as the plate,
stone or block wears during the printing process.
The difference between buying a giclee and buying a print matters to the
purists I guess. But... as far as quality goes...with the use of permanent
pigments at extremely high resolutions on acid free substrates the results
are (for each print, be it 1/500 or 500/500) extremely close to the original
work. Giclees are beautiful.
For many it is an affordable alternative. I think allot depends on the
ethics of the artist in maintaining an honest "market" value.... if s/he
were to originally issue an edition of say 500 prints, and then at a later
date issue another edition of 500 prints that would be unethical for those
with the old edition mindset. In other words... if your selling a piece and
stating that there are only 50 on the planet... then don't be a prik and
print 5,000.
with warm regards,
Tony
http://artonio7.com
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Matt Bostock
Matt
--
I miss Rage Against The Machine.
"Dan" <D...@FreelanceWorkshops.com> wrote in message
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> I've built a new home for my fine art, which has until now been relegated
to
> secret links, one-off showings and a mention at my commercial site. The
> foundation for all this, of course, is the annual 14 day work, although I
> have included some pieces that were not part of those exercises.
>
> I am showing 57 pieces in nine galleries and I have really tried to design
> the navigation to be as friendly as possible. I have set it up so that no
> matter where you are in the site, you can go to or return to any piece
with
> a maximum of two clicks. This probably won't be the case if I expand to
400
> pieces, but it works for now. Additionally, once you're in any gallery,
you
> can see all 57 pieces without ever having to move your mouse (use the
"next"
> button).
>
> Anyway, comments good or bad appreciated. Enjoy!
>
> http://www.DanTurnerFineArt.com
>
>
> Dan
> http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com
>
>
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"Mike" <mi...@artistmike.com> wrote in message
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> in article aovHa.8520$0v4.7...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, Dan
at
> D...@FreelanceWorkshops.com wrote on 6/16/03 7:52 PM:
>
> > http://www.DanTurnerFineArt.com
>
>
>
> Two similar pics...
>
> http://www.artistmike.com/OregonPics/FairRiver8a.html
> http://www.DanTurnerFineArt.com/fog_fogstudyone.htm
>
> ":^) ®
>
>
> --
> Mike
>
> * Logo Design *
> Put some fun in your next logo!
>
> Site at: http://www.artistmike.com
>
>
>
lol...
--
I miss Rage Against The Machine.
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> in article aovHa.8520$0v4.7...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, Dan
at
> D...@FreelanceWorkshops.com wrote on 6/16/03 7:52 PM:
>
> > http://www.DanTurnerFineArt.com
>
>
>
> Two similar pics...
>
> http://www.artistmike.com/OregonPics/FairRiver8a.html
> http://www.DanTurnerFineArt.com/fog_fogstudyone.htm
>
> ":^) ®
>
>
> --
> Mike
>
> * Logo Design *
> Put some fun in your next logo!
>
> Site at: http://www.artistmike.com
>
>
>
Carol Ott
issue them, there shouldn't be any more -- it makes the others completely
worthless. I've only done one numbered series, and that picture will never
again be issued, unless I sell the original.
Carol
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Matt Bostock
But so is Dan... it's his style and the way he designs. It's nice. Just
corporate. If corporate's what you like, it's nice.
Matt
--
I miss Rage Against The Machine.
Fred Doyle
>
> Yes, I am sure Michelangelo was stumbling around all day feeling the same
way
> until the first people came in to attend a service at the Sistine Chapel
and
> happened to look up...
>
immediately. It was shared before it was painted, in the themes that
Michelangelo had to get approved, the cartoons he drew and handed to
assistants for transfer to the wall, etc. Pope Julius came and went during
the process, saw what was being done, commented on it, forced changes, etc.
Don't ever believe the movie "The Agony and the Ecstacy" Michelangelo didn't
paint that alone or lying on his back.
The question is, would it have been art if Michelangelo had painted it on
the ceiling of his closet and never let anyone see it before he painted over
it? In my opinion, sorry, no it is not. It takes the second half of the
communication process to make it art. It is sort of the same question as the
old philosophy problem "If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around,
does it make a sound?" In other words, does it take perception to make the
physical compression of the atmosphere into waves, a sound?
There is no answer. just opinion.
BTW, that was quite an interesting opinion on the differences between
digital and tradional art. I'm still mulling that over.
--
Fred Doyle
www.leafpublishing.com
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Limelight
--
Helen (Limelight)
http://www.limelightpromotions.com
Dan
Thanks Matt :-)
Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com
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Dan
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Dave Jeavons
D...@FreelanceWorkshops.com wrote on 18/6/03 1:31 PM:
>>> Anyway, comments good or bad appreciated. Enjoy!
>>> http://www.DanTurnerFineArt.com
Hey there Dan ~ [and the rest of ADG!]
Some brilliant pieces in that little lot!
My favourites include [in no particular order...]:
* Highland Street - love the colour/texture contrast!
* Blue Rust - loved it as part of your more recent 14 days, and love it
still :)
* Hollywood Eyes - Sad & emotional, this one moved me. The detail is
amazing.
* Bamboo Cylinder - despite the heavy geometry you've somehow captured an
organic essence in there - perhaps it's the clever choice of colours?
* NYSE - you have an amazing feel for texture and colour Dan. This piece is
inspirational IMO!
I really admire the work you have presented here Dan, particularly your
sensitivity to colour. Keep it up!
FYI: The rumours of my whereabouts are all true - I am alive and well [with
the infamous orange cast now removed] and to be honest, a little snowed
under with my new job :) ... Which would help to explain my somewhat sudden
disappearance from the consistent information flow that is ADG ;)
Nonetheless, I have managed to set up a "secret news account" on the work
computer so I can try to stay in touch with all the good folk of the bADGer
lounge. Hope you are all well and I really must dash for now!
--
dave.jeavons
www.houseoffu.com
making.everyday.interesting.
cpg
wrote:
>cpg wrote:
>
>>>>Here's a couple of weird things: This one is more of the easter egg
>variety. On XP IE 6 if you click and then drag the mouse on to your menu you
>get this -- I did this trying to select your menu text to see if it was text
>or an image:<<<
>
>http://www.nettango.com/cpg/screen.jpg
>
>Yeah, that's weird! I can't reproduce it on my XP IE 6, but it's caused by a
>div that's not doing anything useful that I can see....until I delete it,
>then my rollovers go wiggy. I'll need to check with the CSS group on that
>one -- thanks for the screen shot!
>
>>>>A more serious issue is this one in NS 6.2. I've seen this before and
>don't know what causes it but this is just on a regular old mouseover:<<<
>
>http://www.nettango.com/cpg/screen2_ns62.jpg
>
>Again, no answers. Does the button/text appear normal if you're not mousing
>over it?
yup....and depending on where the mouse is located, it can work just
fine. I've seen this behavior before -- it's kind of like the 'hot'
area is only the pixels that make up the text, and not the background
behind them. But it's more than that because the menu sometimes gets
that weird look in the screen shot and seems to lose it's styles
altogether -- and sometimes appears to work fine. Very strange.
cpg
Drew
>I need to be more raw.
>
>
>
Welcome. This is my stuff. Have a look around and let me know if I can
answer any questions.
Thanks
(inset squished bug here)
Dan
and for taking time from your new job to have a look.
Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com
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Gem
>Nah, the Cistine chapel was artwork immediately, because it was shared
>immediately.
oh Fred, we have had this dance before. :)
You contend that art is only art after a second party's eyes have seen/shared
it. I contend that the artist's eyes are good enough to qualify it as art.
>The question is, would it have been art if Michelangelo had painted it on
>the ceiling of his closet and never let anyone see it before he painted over
>it? In my opinion, sorry, no it is not.
and, in my opinion, yes, it would still be art.
A tree still makes a sound when it falls even if no one is around to hear it.
Just plant a tape recorder out there and see ...er hear what I mean.
>There is no answer. just opinion.
This is true and I love to read yours.
I am quite interested in your conclusions re: digital vs traditional art.
--
Gem
Limelight
[with
> the infamous orange cast now removed] and to be honest, a little snowed
> under with my new job :) ... Which would help to explain my somewhat
sudden
> disappearance from the consistent information flow that is ADG ;)
>
> Nonetheless, I have managed to set up a "secret news account" on the work
> computer so I can try to stay in touch with all the good folk of the
bADGer
> lounge. Hope you are all well and I really must dash for now!
Dave, Dave, Dave,
Great to hear from you again. I figured you'd be extra busy with your new
job. Take it easy, have fun and see you again soon!
Dave Jeavons
D...@FreelanceWorkshops.com wrote on 19/6/03 1:05 AM:
> Hey Dave! Nice surprise to find you here. Thanks for the encouraging words
> and for taking time from your new job to have a look.
NP Dan - thankyou for sharing some brilliant work :)
--
dave.jeavons
www.houseoffu.com
making.everyday.interesting.
Dave Jeavons
ne...@limelightpromotions.com.au wrote on 19/6/03 9:53 AM:
>> FYI: The rumours of my whereabouts are all true - I am alive and well
> Dave, Dave, Dave,
> Great to hear from you again. I figured you'd be extra busy with your new
> job. Take it easy, have fun and see you again soon!
Helen!
Great to hear from you too :)
It's taken me a month or so just to start getting on top of it all, but
another few weeks and I'll be doing it in my sleep ;)
How goes the Limelight studio progress?
Must dash for now - will try and keep my ear to the ADG ground <grin>
--
dave.jeavons
www.houseoffu.com
making.everyday.interesting.
FOR7b
>purists I guess. But... as far as quality goes...with the use of permanent
>pigments at extremely high resolutions on acid free substrates the results
>are (for each print, be it 1/500 or 500/500) extremely close to the original
>work. Giclees are beautiful.
>
Yep, todays inkjets sure are nice.
Gem
>But... as far as quality goes...with the use of permanent
>pigments at extremely high resolutions on acid free substrates the results
>are (for each print, be it 1/500 or 500/500) extremely close to the original
>work. Giclees are beautiful.
If the work was created on the computer, than giclees are truly a beautiful way
to reproduce the work. Computer generated art or scans of original traditional
works, however, will never quite compare to using actual traditional medium
simply due to the fact that the color spectrum visible to the naked eye is
somewhat larger than that available to rgb/cmyk printing/reproduction devices.
http://www.boscarol.com/pages/cms_eng/020-gamut.html
While it seems that the absence of these colors from digital artwork or scans
of original pieces is trivial, the difference is conspicuous when viewing
actual oils or photography next to its computer generated or scanned
counterpart. This is certainly not to say that scans and such do not come close
to representing the work or to say that there is no place for digi-art, there
is. This is to say that, in my opinion, it will not replace traditional medium.
Until these devices can match the human eye's gamut, and certainly even if
then, traditional art will always be here.
For me, there isn't a device existing that can match the feel of a gessoed
canvas or the smell and sheen of oils. :)
--
Gem
Tony:
Dan
>>>While it seems that the absence of these colors from digital artwork or
scans of original pieces is trivial, the difference is conspicuous when
viewing actual oils or photography next to its computer generated or scanned
counterpart.<<<
If you are comparing viewing art on a monitor as opposed to reflective
media, yes. However, high-end reproductive technology is well past "I can't
see the difference" on flat art. *Especially* watercolors and photographs,
where there is no textural buildup.
The neat thing about working with traditional materials is the amount of
surface buildup you can achieve: Thick brushstrokes and goopy gesso
backgrounds are cool, no doubt about it. Pollock ground sand, bottlecaps and
cigarette butts into his painted canvases. Those are mini-assemblages and
cannot be accurately reproduced by any technology (as yet).
Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com
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