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Bobby

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Nov 25, 2003, 10:48:08 AM11/25/03
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Hi there,

Can anyone let me know the easiest (and cheapest) way I can print
computer-created images onto some sort of canvas-like material? I'll be
doing designs up to A3 in size, and they will have to be of a high
quality. I live in the UK, and the kind of advice I'm looking for is...

a) how much a cheap (?!) A3 printer that is capable of printing onto
fabric would cost.... Recommended makes, models etc.

b) Who can do the printing for me if the printer I'm looking for is too
expensive.

c) Erm, anything else really! (tips, hints, 'dont dos' etc)

Thanks for any assistance!

Bobby.

Tomas Holm

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Nov 25, 2003, 11:13:56 AM11/25/03
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There are two possible ways to do this. Either you choose to buy a transfer
film to your printer and use a hot iron to fix it to the fabric.
The other alternative is to screen print it onto the fabric.

If the fabric is 100% polyester there are another form you can use -
induction transfer. That method allows an almost complete attachment of the
transfer to the fabric - that is what the cross country skiers use for
printing their ugly overalls.

/Tomas

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Slik

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Nov 25, 2003, 12:37:27 PM11/25/03
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http://www.thelabvancouver.com/index4.html
these are the prices of the shop i use, keep in mind this is in canadian $.

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Al Lorio Design

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Nov 25, 2003, 1:04:16 PM11/25/03
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"Bobby" <n...@il.thanks> wrote in message news:3FC379B...@il.thanks...
> Hi there,
>
> Can anyone let me know the easiest (and cheapest) way I can print
> computer-created images onto some sort of canvas-like material? ...etc.

Bobby,

Perhaps you should post your question here:
http://www.letterville.com/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi

There are many in said community who have unique digital printing equipment.

G


Bobby

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Nov 25, 2003, 1:41:56 PM11/25/03
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Thanks for the info Tomas.... would you say the transfer film method
would produce results good enough to sell as professional artwork?

Also, with the screen print method, would it be able to transfer the
thousands of different colours/shades that computers can replicate onto
the fabric?

Baeowulf

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Nov 25, 2003, 6:40:48 PM11/25/03
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You can print to canvas with Ink Jet printers too.


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Tomas Holm

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Nov 27, 2003, 8:03:44 AM11/27/03
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Ok, so now I see that you mean canvas like "painting canvas". I thought of
it more in general terms as a cloth. (Language thing)
But the basic things still apply.

>would you say the transfer film method
> would produce results good enough to sell as professional artwork?

An amature will be able to tell that it is a transfer rather than a painting
if that is what you want to know. You basicly print to a bearer and then
attach the bearer onto the fabric (with heat).

When screen printing you loose quality because of the screen size. Colour
range will be the same as in offset printing if you make the print big
enough (and stand at a distance)

/Tomas

Fred Doyle

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Nov 27, 2003, 9:34:44 AM11/27/03
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"Baeowulf"
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> You can print to canvas with Ink Jet printers too.

If anyone is interested in trying this, my wife has done this a number of
times for quilts she has worked on. You have to treat the fabric first with
a chemical. She uses "Bubble Jet Set 2000" that she gets from
briarpatch.com. You then attach the fabric to a backing paper. She uses just
plain freezer paper available in a store and irons it on to attach it. Put
that through the inkjet for printing. Then rinse the fabric with another
chemical (Bubble Jet Rinse) that washes off excess ink. This, then, is ready
to use as you wish. It takes some trial and error to get the process right.
The colors are less saturated than on paper, presumably because the fabric
absorbs the ink. It will not resemble a painting in any way but is realy
quite effective when done well,

--
Fred Doyle
www.leafpublishing.com


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Bobby

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Nov 27, 2003, 10:38:56 AM11/27/03
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Tomas Holm wrote:
> Ok, so now I see that you mean canvas like "painting canvas". I thought of
> it more in general terms as a cloth. (Language thing)
> But the basic things still apply.

Well, to be honest, I do mean any type of cloth really. Which fabric
would give the best results if I wanted to print to it using the methods
below? I'm assuming some types of cloth would soak the ink up more and
would make the print look duller.

> An amature will be able to tell that it is a transfer rather than a painting
> if that is what you want to know. You basicly print to a bearer and then
> attach the bearer onto the fabric (with heat).

I don't mind too much if you can tell it's a transfer, as long as it's a
good-quality transfer, and the colours are still vibrant. I don't want
the artwork to suffer.

Tomas Holm

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Nov 27, 2003, 10:54:40 AM11/27/03
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>Which fabric
> would give the best results if I wanted to print to it using the methods
> below?

Any kind that can stand heat well. That leaves out artificial fibres like
polyester, and some natural fibres like wool. If you use cotton you vill do
just fine. Remember that the transfer is transparent so using a colour other
than white will effect the image. There is the issue of washability. If you
plan to wash the cloth often there can be problems in the long run. If you
think it is important to be able to wash the cloth transfer is the wrong
method.

/Tomas

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Bobby

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Nov 27, 2003, 11:36:42 AM11/27/03
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No. Doesn't matter about washing... the artwork will be framed on wood,
so won't be washed.

One other question... (thank you so much for your help so far Tomas..
you've been a great help!)... If I created a circular image on my PC,
there would be an area around the image that wouldn't be part of the
image (since all PC windows are square/rectangular)... I presume these
would appear by default as white around the actual image on my monitor
(think of the Japanese flag)... now, when I went to print this image,
would the area AROUND the image be printed as white, as it appears on
the screen, or as transparent, as I haven't specified it to be any
colour. (i'll be using Photoshop for most of the creation of these
images). Hope you can answer this one!

Thanks once again for the info. so far :)

Tomas Holm

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Nov 27, 2003, 1:04:58 PM11/27/03
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Think of it this way:
The parts where you dont have any ink will be blank on the print and so it
will be blank on the canvas aswell. However when using a transfer the bearer
will also be added to the canvas and you will see a slightly glossy image
even where there is no print. My recommendation is to cut out your image as
close to the print to loose that effect. If you want the area surrounding
the globe in some colour, print it onto the transfer aswell.

/Tomas

LauraK

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Nov 27, 2003, 1:10:20 PM11/27/03
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>Can anyone let me know the easiest (and cheapest) way I can print
>computer-created images onto some sort of canvas-like material? I'll be
>doing designs up to A3 in size, and they will have to be of a high
>quality. I live in the UK, and the kind of advice I'm looking for is...
>

You can buy artist's canvas treated for inkjets.
One of the best sources for this type of paper and others that are highly
suitable for art work is Digital Art Supplies:
http://www.digitalartsupplies.com/inarcan.html
They ship to the UK although you can probably find a company in the UK that
carries the same thing.
The Epson printers are usually recommended. One that does photo-quality
printing would work well.
DAS can supply profiles for printing on the canvas for most printers.
They are an excellent company to do business with. E-mail them with any
questions.


lau...@madmousergraphics.com
http://www.madmousergraphics.com
web design, print design, photography


Bobby

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Nov 27, 2003, 1:21:02 PM11/27/03
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Yup. Exactly what I though. I should've thought a bit longer really. A
normal printer doesn't use white ink when it prints out nothing!

Brilliant. Thanks for your help.

O H D

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Nov 27, 2003, 5:10:01 PM11/27/03
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I can't offer any help with details, but I know someone that's producing
'artists prints' by printing onto that canvas with his inkjet. The results
are fantastic.

---
Dave.


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Bobby

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Nov 28, 2003, 6:35:24 AM11/28/03
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Thanks for the info Laura.. I will look into this now!

Bobby.

Bobby

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Nov 28, 2003, 6:35:59 AM11/28/03
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Is it possible to find out the method he uses to go about creating his
prints?

Thanks!

Bobby.

Janet

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Dec 1, 2003, 1:10:46 PM12/1/03
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>>Can anyone let me know the easiest (and cheapest) way I can print
>>computer-created images onto some sort of canvas-like material? I'll be
>>doing designs up to A3 in size, and they will have to be of a high
>>quality. I live in the UK, and the kind of advice I'm looking for is...

For 'cheapest', you can buy some light fabric and a roll of household 'freezer
paper'. It's heavy white (normally) butcher's paper that's plastic-coated on
one side.

Cut that to the size of a piece of paper (whatever your printer can print). Now
put the fabric right-side-down on your ironing board and place the freezer paper
on it, plastic side against the fabric. Now iron. The freezer paper will
lightly adhere to the fabric.

Now cut the fabric to the size of the freezer paper. You now have a
paper-backed piece of fabric that you can feed into your ink-jet printer (and
probably a laser printer, but I haven't tied that).

Once you print your image on it, just pull away the freezer paper.

You'll need something like 'bubble-jet set' to pre-treat your fabric if you
want this image to be washable.

Good luck.

Janet 'the lurker'

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