I sold one of my 14 Day pieces!!
Dan
show them!
A few weeks ago I mentioned I had just completed 14 new pieces of art to one
of my bandmates while we were having a late-night bite to eat after
rehearsal. After several days, he somehow *remembered* the URL (I know, I
know...some marketing genius I am) and called me. He was very complimentary
and said, "I had no idea you did this kind of work" (again, there's that
marketing magic!).
Long story short, he is a principal in a securities brokerage and his
company just leased new offices. Yesterday afternoon, I helped them hang a
48"x39" reproduction of "Canon Securities, LLC" (formerly titled "NYSE",
formerly titled "Day 9") in their front lobby. YOW!!!!
See it here: http://danturner.com/canon/
That's me in the top photo, my clients are in the next one. The art is a
museum-quality giclee print on canvas, gallery wrapped on thick stretchers
with a gloss varnish. Harvest Productions <http://www.harvestpro.com>
handled the reproduction and did a superb job.
At 300 dpi, the final digital file turned out to be 675 MB. For those who
are interested, the key to getting a smooth enlargement from a file that is
considerably smaller (mine was under 6 MB) is a program called Genuine
Fractals PrintPro <http://www.altamira-group.com>.
My original art incorporated the letters "NYSE." I told the partners at
Canon that, if they liked, I could work *their* name into it. They liked it
so much that they asked if there was any way the image could be used on
their business cards. This is fairly bass-ackwards retro-fitting for us
professional corporate identity graphic designer types :-), but today they
have a beautifully printed, four color stationary package. The business card
design is shown with the lobby shots.
vive le art!!
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andrew
guess this means you're buying the next round?
~chero~
Good for you Dan. Wow, very impressive. Good news.
~chero~
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>
> guess this means you're buying the next round?
Yes it does! I was just down at The bADGer Lounge, but it was closed. I
could hear people in there, but the doors were locked. Let me in!!
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> Good for you Dan. Wow, very impressive. Good news.
Thank you ~chero~. It just goes to show how you never know who may be in the
market for art or how close those people might be!
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lack of a better word) neat.
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we just started drinking ahead of you & passed out against it!
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Thanks, Wayne!
Carol Ott
liked....whew!)
Good job!
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> liked....whew!)
Well, even if they had, I did not sell them all rights. I am free to sell
this art again and again...just not with their name on it :)
>
> Good job!
>
> --Carol
Thanks, Carol
Dimitri
I bet you were absolutely tickled pink man.
Got me thinking...
Dorothy Combs
Wonderful! It is a great design and the business card looks super.
Dorothy
BH
it up like that. Can I be a jerk and ask how much they paid for it?
Br.
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>
> I bet you were absolutely tickled pink man.
You bet! This was my first fine art giclee reproduction, and I am so pleased
with the way it turned out. The colors are so accurate that I wish I could
use giclee on everything. I am used to a little (sometimes a lot of)
compromise when enlarging a raster image to four feet wide, but that was not
the case with this process. From two inches to 20 feet, it is creamy smooth,
continuous tone, dotless, pixeless, fully saturated color. I want to do
more!
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>
> Wonderful! It is a great design and the business card looks super.
Thanks, Dorothy. I hope to be doing more of this kind of thing in the
future.
andrew
Dimitri wrote:
>
> tickled pink man.
>
Carol Ott
that I'd like to hang on the wall, and I would be very interested in knowing
it giclee would be an option for me.
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> You bet! This was my first fine art giclee reproduction, and I am so pleased
> with the way it turned out. The colors are so accurate that I wish I could
> use giclee on everything. I am used to a little (sometimes a lot of)
> compromise when enlarging a raster image to four feet wide, but that was not
> the case with this process. From two inches to 20 feet, it is creamy smooth,
> continuous tone, dotless, pixeless, fully saturated color. I want to do
> more!
Could you give us a synopsis of what was involved in getting it done?
I've been curious about this for awhile now. I'd also read somewhere
that Genuine Fractals wasn't nearly as good as advertised, what do you
think of it?
Wizard of Draws
least expect it.
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> vive le art!!
Dan that is wicked kewl!!!! COngrats! I like that piece too - you are
quite the talent
Dan
>>>Was it terribly expensive to have the print reproduced? I have a few
pieces that I'd like to hang on the wall, and I would be very interested in
knowing it giclee would be an option for me.<<<
Possibly. I paid just under $400 for a 48"x39" finished print on canvas, and
that included an 8"x10" proof on canvas, 110-year ink, thick stretchers,
gallery wrap (they did all the mounting) and gloss varnish. Reproductions on
thick watercolor paper would cost less because the substrate is less and you
have no stretchers, mounting or varnish to deal with. You'll be hard-pressed
to get below $300 or so, because the minimum paper size seems to be about
30"x40." If your art isn't that big, just work it so you get two or three or
more images on a single sheet.
For those who don't know, a giclee is a very high-tech inkjet print. There
is no halftone dot, as in offset printing, which gives them incredible
depth.
Dan
>>>That's a great one Dan. Worthy to be put on a wall. It must feel good
seeing it up like that. Can I be a jerk and ask how much they paid for
it?<<<
Thanks Br. I am happy to discuss production costs (see my post to Carol),
as this will give you an idea of what *you* would need to charge in order to
make giclee prints work for you. Business courtesy prohibits me from
disclosing exactly what my client paid, but I realize this is of no help
whatever in trying to set your own prices. You'll have to be content with a
range: I determined that giclee reproductions of comparable size, in my
area, are selling for $1500 - $2200, and that's where I priced mine.
Dan
>>>Could you give us a synopsis of what was involved in getting it done?
I've been curious about this for awhile now. I'd also read somewhere that
Genuine Fractals wasn't nearly as good as advertised, what do you think of
it?<<<
Finding the Genuine Fractals plug-in was the key that I had been looking for
when it came to digital art reproduction. A little background: My original
use for Painter was as an electronic paint sketchbook. I only worked at 72
dpi to quickly capture ideas that I would later use for creating real
paint-on-canvas pieces. As I went along -- and the first 14 day exercise
really cemented this for me -- I realized I was starting to generate pieces
that were "finished" just like they were, and I also started to do work that
I couldn't easily reproduce on canvas.
So if the digital file was going to be the art, how was I going to get it
big without having the image fall apart? Working "live" on a 2-3 gigabyte
multi-layer photoshop file is not an option on my system. I first heard
about Genuine Fractals in the digital camera newsgroup, as a way to help
enlarge low-res images.
I worked with the GF trial for a few days and was sold. If you have enough
information in your original file (about five MBs seems to be enough,
although 10-20 MBs are ideal) Genuine Fractals can output a file to whatever
resolution you like. The results are a little iffy on really low-res files
(the program just needs more info to work with), but I will tell you that I
have had superb results on a couple of 300K files. The program altered them
slightly to make the enlargement, but the effect was very nice. You may find
the effect very *undesirable* if you need an accurate enlargement of Aunt
Millie.
Once you have an acceptable digital file (at the output size you desire, 300
dpi, CMYK), it is then a matter of deciding on a method of reproduction.
On the big art front, a giclee reproduction made the most sense for me. An
offset litho will never look as good or have the presence of a finely made
giclee. You can have your art reproduced on any of several substrates,
including watercolor paper and canvas. AND -- you can order just one or two
or five. There is no need to stockpile 1000 prints in your garage and hope
you sell them.
Hope this helps!
Dan
> quite the talent
Thanks Oz, so are you.
Dan
> least expect it.
I know! I was contemplating the best way to get the word out on the art, and
there's a guy sitting right next to me who wants to buy art. Thanks Jeff.
Mads Pedersen
dant...@worldnet.att.ooo.net wrote on 16/03/01 22:19:
> See it here: http://danturner.com/canon/
Really really cool story - makes me smile!!!
Keep it up, Dan
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serious piece.
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for, I think I'll download the Genuine Fractals demo and give it a try.
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buying it, too.
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grayehound
First, I'd like to add my congratulations on the sale. It's always nice to see
another designer get what they deserve.
Have you worked with Hunter before? I was asked, at one time not long ago, to
help out on their website but have heard nothing about that project since and I
see they have something new up right now. Oh, and I guess that means we are in
the same geographical area, then, huh? :)
grayehound
grayehound
on images for process print design? I always have photos I'd like to use that
are just a bit too small for my needs, but still are 5-10 MB in size.
Oh, and now that you have found this avenue and made a sale, how seriously are
you considering making these in numbered sets and selling them in a gellery in
Laguna? :)
grayehound
Gem
be...... "Faysoiux" .... to me!! :)
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>For those of you who haven't showed your family and friends your 14 Day art,
>show them!
>
>A few weeks ago I mentioned I had just completed 14 new pieces of art to one
>of my bandmates while we were having a late-night bite to eat after
>rehearsal. After several days, he somehow *remembered* the URL (I know, I
>know...some marketing genius I am) and called me. He was very complimentary
>and said, "I had no idea you did this kind of work" (again, there's that
>marketing magic!).
>
>Long story short, he is a principal in a securities brokerage and his
>company just leased new offices. Yesterday afternoon, I helped them hang a
>48"x39" reproduction of "Canon Securities, LLC" (formerly titled "NYSE",
>formerly titled "Day 9") in their front lobby. YOW!!!!
>
>See it here: http://danturner.com/canon/
>
>That's me in the top photo, my clients are in the next one. The art is a
>museum-quality giclee print on canvas, gallery wrapped on thick stretchers
>with a gloss varnish. Harvest Productions <http://www.harvestpro.com>
>handled the reproduction and did a superb job.
>
>At 300 dpi, the final digital file turned out to be 675 MB. For those who
>are interested, the key to getting a smooth enlargement from a file that is
>considerably smaller (mine was under 6 MB) is a program called Genuine
>Fractals PrintPro <http://www.altamira-group.com>.
>
>My original art incorporated the letters "NYSE." I told the partners at
>Canon that, if they liked, I could work *their* name into it. They liked it
>so much that they asked if there was any way the image could be used on
>their business cards. This is fairly bass-ackwards retro-fitting for us
>professional corporate identity graphic designer types :-), but today they
>have a beautifully printed, four color stationary package. The business card
>design is shown with the lobby shots.
>
>vive le art!!
>
Gem
72dpi. Smooth and true colors.
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Carol Ott
want to see how complicated it is before I go through the angst of
downloading it.
XOXOXOX
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>>>Is the technology involved similar to an Iris printer?<<<
The very same. Iris prints (and now Ixia and Roland) are considered to be
the finest art prints in the marketplace today. The Iris printer was
originally developed a little over 10 years ago as a way to proof digital
files prior to conventional offset printing. Harvest Productions pioneered
museum-quality fine art prints with the Iris, and coined the phrase
"giclee," which is French for "to spray on" or "to spray ink". My print was
done on Harvest's new Roland printer, which uses six colors instead of four
and allows for a wider color gamut. I met one of the Roland engineers at
Harvest who was in the process of testing an eight color printer. This is
VERY exciting technology.
Dan
will be...... "Faysoiux" .... to me!! :)<<<
Yaaayyy!! Thanks Gem. That one is ready to go, too. Could probably work a
special "ADG insider" deal :)
Dan
>>>Well could you explain how it works? (Me and my addled mind, Gemmy.....)
I want to see how complicated it is before I go through the angst of
downloading it.<<<
I don't see Gem's answer, so I am going to step in.... Genuine Fractals is a
Photoshop plug-in and is pretty much the easiest "program" you'll ever
learn. Once you have a finished digital file, select "Save As" and chose the
GF "stn" format and select "Lossless." Close the image.
When you select "Open" and click on the STN file, the program opens a little
dialog box and you simply select output options, including final size and
resolution. It will give you the final MB size. Click "OK." If it's a really
big file, go for a walk (converting a 5 MB to 675 MB takes about an hour on
my system; 500 mhz/650 mb ram). To quickly experiment with different sizes
and to test suitability, just work on a portion of your image -- then there
is no waiting at all.
Dan
>>>Have you worked with Hunter before? I was asked, at one time not long
ago, to help out on their website but have heard nothing about that project
since and I see they have something new up right now.<<<
Well it wasn't me! I don't know who/what Hunter is, so you may still have a
shot. Call them.
>>>Oh, and I guess that means we are in the same geographical area, then,
huh? :)<<<
I'm in Irvine, where are you?
Dan
>>>Wow! Excellent post, Dan! Do you have any experience using Genuine
Fractals on images for process print design?<<<
Thank you, and no not yet, although I got the PrintPro package because it
will handle CMYK files.
>>>I always have photos I'd like to use that are just a bit too small for my
needs, but still are 5-10 MB in size.<<<
If you have the HD space, you should easily be able to take these to
billboard size. Actually, many suppliers who deal with large digital
reproductions use GF. When this is the case, then all you need to send them
is your teeny tiny STN file or an original tiff-- they'll do the rest.
>>>Oh, and now that you have found this avenue and made a sale, how
seriously are you considering making these in numbered sets and selling them
in a gellery in Laguna? :)<<<
I'm working on it!! Deadly serious, actually.
Graye Smith
Dan wrote:
> >>>Oh, and now that you have found this avenue and made a sale, how
> seriously are you considering making these in numbered sets and selling them
> in a gellery in Laguna? :)<<<
>
> I'm working on it!! Deadly serious, actually.
I don't blame you! This seems to be an excellent first step towards opening
new areas of interest (and success). I have a friend who used to run a gallery
in Laguna who might know who you should contact. She's the one who asked me
about the Harvest Graphics site many a week ago. I'll ask her who'd be a good
group for you to contact next time I talk to her.
grayehound
Dan
grateful for any networking opportunities.
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We've just got brand new computers...this machine is 850Mhz Pentium (I
believe), 256M RAM, Win2K Professional. I tried output to our brand new
HP Color LaserJet. Genuine Fractals does not work properly in PaintShop
Pro 7.02, you can save, but not open (which is what you need to do in
order to "enlarge" the image). It does not work at all in PhotoPaint 8
(I don't have a more recent version to test it with). It works
perfectly in PhotoShop5 LE, however PSLE does not support CMYK.
I tried two images, one being one of the 14 Days images (the "ritual"
floral image) which was originally saved as a .psd at 200 ppi. The
second image was one that I downloaded from my album at photoworks, this
was a 70 ppi .jpg.
The floral image I wanted to make larger but keep the same ppi (200).
When I did the original images, I didn't think about print size, I was
more worried about pixel size since they would be displayed on the web.
The original size in inches was 1.7 x 1.4. I used the plugin to bump it
up to 5 inches wide. Works great, the color laserjet had no trouble
with it.
The photograph is a rather poor scan, but I thought it would be a good
"test". The original image is a 70 ppi jpg, showing dimensions of 10.9
inches x 7.3 inches. I wanted to bump up the ppi to 300 and keep the
finished output size about the same (10.5 inches wide). When the plugin
was done with it, it was noticeably pixelized, a result I'm sure of the
low ppi to begin with. I wanted to print it anyway to see what it would
really look like since it's hard to tell when you have to scroll
around. I could not get the image to print at all, while it didn't
freeze the computer (pretty rare with Win2K), it did cause the printer
to hang and not print at all. When the plugin was done with the image,
it was around 19M. I have printed images this size before without a
problem, so I'm guessing the problem has to do with the amount of
available RAM on the computer itself after the plugin has done "its
thing".
Do you have a more recent version of PhotoPaint, Carol? The plugin
won't be much use to me unless I can get it to work in PhotoPaint which
is what I use for anything that I think might eventually need to go to
press, I have zero interest in buying PhotoShop full, I would be willing
to upgrade PhotoPaint though if it works in the current version. I'm
more than a little annoyed that it doesn't seem to work in PaintShop
Pro, I will mention this to somebody at JASC and see if they can figure
out if the problem's with PSP or the GF plugin. Also a tad annoying is
that the demo is only good for 20 uses, it took me three or four tries
just to figure out how to use it and a couple more tries to figure out
that it doesn't function properly in PSP, so now I'm down to ten more
tries or so.
Carol Ott wrote:
>
> Angela, please let me know how it works out -- I might be interested in
> buying it, too.
>
> --Carol
>
> "Angela M. Cable" <ca...@allwest.net> wrote in message
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> > Thanks so much! This is exactly the kind of information I was looking
> > for, I think I'll download the Genuine Fractals demo and give it a try.
> >
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that -- that's what I've got. And sad to say, I'm really not all that
interested in upgrading. The version I have works great for what I need
(the fine art materials). And I'm *definitely* with you on the Photoshop
thing -- I have no interest in blowing $600 on something I'll almost never
use. I do have Photoshop 6 at work -- but it's on a networked machine that
I can't install anything to.
GRRRRRR......
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cpg
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>For those of you who haven't showed your family and friends your 14 Day art,
>show them!
Good for you Dan. Congratulations.
And thanks for the tip on the Altamira software. I've been wondering
how I could make some of my pieces printable -- they are all pretty
small.
cpg
Dan
Dan.
Thanks Michelle.
Dan
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missed the opportunity. One of the problems with an iris was that it was
terrible to maintain, requiring constant cleaning, is that still the case?
Madman
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