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Carol Ott
WOOO-HOO! ;-)
(Nothing works yet -- just the first page is up..) www.csottdesign.com
Carol
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Dan
But that will change. Congratulations, I think it is coming along nicely.
Exciting, isn't it?
Dan
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LauraK
It's a good start.
lau...@madmousergraphics.com
http://www.madmousergraphics.com
web design, print design, photography
Carol Ott
if you've noticed -- I always start out with something "aaaahhhhhhhhh" and
then I end up going for a softer look. So never fear.....it will change. I
was inspired by Marimekko fabrics. ;-)
Carol
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working now.
Carol
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LauraK
>was inspired by Marimekko fabrics.
I love those prints! I have an old comforter and sheets with the big splashy
yellow, red and blue flowers that I got years ago and refuse to part with. In
my house in Maryland, I used them in a guest bedroom and painted it to match:
bright yellow ceiling, white walls and red molding around the ceiling.
Gem
Hey! Do you like it?? Then why should you change it? At last, someone else who
is not afraid of color! :)
It's straightforward, bright, and colorful; a true reflection of it's owner.
You could try rethinking the kerning between the c. and the s. and maybe change
the text to white on mouseover in the orange boxes.
--
Gem
--really tired of black, gray, and white sites. :)--
Carol:
Brian Mays
Gem wrote:
> Carol,
> Hey! Do you like it?? Then why should you change it? At last, someone else who
> is not afraid of color! :)
>koff< brianmays.com >koff<
Gem
I was thinking of you, too!! :)
I *love* your site's colors.
--
Gem
Brian Mays
Gem wrote:
Not to worm into Carol's domain here, but v2.0 will have the same color
scheme
BigBeatty
BigBeatty!
Anyway...
"Gem
--really tired of black, gray, and white sites. :)--
Gem-
I love color sites too...however, having done my site in various colors
throught the years, I feel for MY work, the B/G/W works best!
It suits me for now...I do get the urge to change it tho...I'm sure we all
do!
I love color...but I also love B&W!!! Must be all the comic art I've done
in B&W thru the years. Of course, then it goes to the colorist, and they
can really ruin it there...sigh...to each his own!
If you haven't looked please do!
And to Carol...I like your start! It's always fun to start something
new...and then pick it apart!
Best of luck!
John
Glenn
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It's like a sip of strong lemonade: tart but refreshing! (:
Glenn
Carol Ott
Carol
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> >koff< brianmays.com >koff<
>
>
Carol Ott
round one of probably three sites I'll do....but they'll all center around
the same colour scheme....maybe a little toned down......In fact, I just had
an inspiration. <ahem>.
Carol
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Giuseppe Carmine De Blasio
You're starting something new, and you're not shy of showing it to the
world! And you like to be noticed...good for you!
Good luck with the new site, Carol!
XOXO
Pepe
Milano, Italy
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long time coming!
Carol
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Carol Ott wrote:
> (Nothing works yet -- just the first page is up..) www.csottdesign.com
It must be spring time in the air...
My new site is up also...
":^) ®
--
Mike C.
• Logo Design •
johnnyspade
inconsistent though. Maybe this is deliberate?
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the overall feel.... God only knows where this will end up!
Carol
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Phisch
Phisch
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LauraK
>
>My new site is up also...
>
>http://www.artistmikes.com
>
>":^) ®
Nice. I liked the old one, too, though.
Couple of technical comments.
W98, AOL6, IE5.5
When I click on the big logo and it goes into the down stage, it replaces the
logo with the bottom third of it, repeated three times, stacked on top of each
other.
On the page with all the logos, I'm getting a lot of white space between rows
at the top with the bottom part much tighter.
There is a rule that goes between the text on the right and the logos. The rule
ends halfway down, where the spacing on the logos tightens up.
Like the Sysphus logo. Don't remember seeing that before.
Gem
> But I'm still BigBeatty!
oh good. I thought that said Big Betty for a minute....
<grin>
Then you survived that hallmark moment thing..... :)
>I love color sites too...however, having done my site in various colors
>throught the years, I feel for MY work, the B/G/W works best!
>
Oh, no, don't get me wrong, John. :) I *love* black and white and gray
together. My own site was dark and subdued for awhile. Seemed like eveything I
was doing there for awhile was b/w/g. [hmm... maybe _that' s_ why I am tired of
it....heh]
Black and white does seem to work best for your work. No distractions.
>I do get the urge to change it tho...I'm sure we all
>do!
oooh yeah.... about to embark on a change again myself.
>I love color...but I also love B&W!!! Must be all the comic art I've done
>in B&W thru the years. Of course, then it goes to the colorist, and they
>can really ruin it there...sigh...to each his own!
I really love color, too. What's the fun of being an artist if you can't splash
some color around??
But_ there is something so pristene and final about black and white, yes? :)
WOW! Hot stuff. Nice, nice lines.
I like the expression on his face in the "Punisher" pinup and "Deadman" is just
fantastic! Fantastic!
The "Spirit" under Commissions is superb. What a great feel to that!
What detail and dimension in the Captain America cover recreation! How long did
that one take?
Love the travel postcards. Beautiful colors.
Sketchbook was great! Hey, no sketches after number 9? What happened? Are you
supposed to be able to click the little number below to view that page? No
links.
[Charity would love this stuff! Where is that girl??]
Really nice stuff, John. Welcome, and hope you stick around for a while. :)
--
Gem
Mike C
enlarged then the spacing goes weird on the logo samples, but if
I then go back to normal text size in the browser then the logo
thumbnails go back into place.
As far as the front graphic and AOL (Netscape 6) is just a piece
of crap and I don't worry about it.
My IE 5.1 on the Mac seems to be seeing the front graphic just
fine though.
Shrug... Too much hassle to worry about all that stuff anyway.
Thanks for the "heads up" though. I just tend to not worry about
the small stuff on the site though.
":^) ®
--
SpaceGirl
Nice one Carol ;)
Hey our home will be ready soooooooooooooon. Taking so bleeding long to
finish... *Flash fgghjghdsfdsfgh!!*
m
BigBeatty
> John:
> > But I'm still BigBeatty!
>
> oh good. I thought that said Big Betty for a minute....
> <grin>
Hey...you're not the only one! When I was regestering the Domain Name, the
woman thot I said "BigLadies!" I told her, no...that was taken...then we
discussed some on the more "interesting" names she had done the paper work
on in the past....LOL!!!
> Then you survived that hallmark moment thing..... :)
God yes...whew...and I didn't like having it either...made me feel all icky!
>
> >I love color sites too...however, having done my site in various colors
> >throught the years, I feel for MY work, the B/G/W works best!
> >
>
> Oh, no, don't get me wrong, John. :) I *love* black and white and gray
> together. My own site was dark and subdued for awhile. Seemed like
eveything I
> was doing there for awhile was b/w/g. [hmm... maybe _that' s_ why I am
tired of
> it....heh]
>
> Black and white does seem to work best for your work. No distractions.
>
> >I do get the urge to change it tho...I'm sure we all
> >do!
>
> oooh yeah.... about to embark on a change again myself.
>
> >I love color...but I also love B&W!!! Must be all the comic art I've
done
> >in B&W thru the years. Of course, then it goes to the colorist, and they
> >can really ruin it there...sigh...to each his own!
>
> I really love color, too. What's the fun of being an artist if you can't
splash
> some color around??
I love COLOR...and when I do color...I mean I really like color!!! Like
100% stuff...none of the wimpy gradients or pastel stuff...
>
> But_ there is something so pristene and final about black and white, yes?
:)
>
Yeah...very much!
> >http://www.bigbeatty.com
>
> WOW! Hot stuff. Nice, nice lines.
> I like the expression on his face in the "Punisher" pinup and "Deadman" is
just
> fantastic! Fantastic!
> The "Spirit" under Commissions is superb. What a great feel to that!
>
> What detail and dimension in the Captain America cover recreation! How
long did
> that one take?
>
They all take more time than I have too...I guess it's the
anal-retentiveness of my line!
> Love the travel postcards. Beautiful colors.
>
> Sketchbook was great! Hey, no sketches after number 9? What happened? Are
you
> supposed to be able to click the little number below to view that page? No
> links.
My g/f of 11 years and I split about tha time and I sold my house...not so
sad actually. I'm back here in Daytona with my MOM!!! Yeah,
great...actually, it's OK...she's a great Mom, and she needs someone around.
So I can get by here until I decide what's next for me! But, yeah...that's
how it's suspossed to work!
>
> [Charity would love this stuff! Where is that girl??]
>
Charity, Girl...hey...I could use a "charity girl" about now! ;-)
> Really nice stuff, John. Welcome, and hope you stick around for a while.
:)
>
> --
> Gem
>
I love this ng so far, my fav! I'll be around! I've only been here since
last week but am learning fast! It's a *gem* of a thing!
...heh...
John
Carol Ott
way to incorporate the clean layout of the old site and add some of the
colour elements of the new.
Carol
http://home.earthlink.net/~csott
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Gem
>then we
>discussed some on the more "interesting" names she had done the paper work
>on in the past....LOL!!!
yea, there are some really curious domain names out there........ :)
[there really *is* a site called bigbetty ....uh....you gotta be 18 or
something so there's your first clue.... yikes.]
You should check some that are for sale for a really good laugh. Like a hand of
poker gone waaaay bad. Thought the name would be a good bet but........ NO. :)
>made me feel all icky!
yup, Kincade does that to me, too.....
it's all that sap, ya know....
[not that there's anything wrong with that.]
>I love COLOR...and when I do color...I mean I really like color!!! Like
>100% stuff...none of the wimpy gradients or pastel stuff...
>
YES! I really like primary colors - bright and inyourface. John, do you have
any of your color work up somewhere? Like to see that.
>They all take more time than I have too...I guess it's the
>anal-retentiveness of my line!
>
Nah, it's the polish, the spit shine, my man.
>I'm back here in Daytona with my MOM!!!
Yea, Florida! I Love Florida! I miss the Gulf sunsets and the water. Spent
about 12 years in St Petersburg. John, can you take some pictures?? :)
>So I can get by here until I decide what's next for me!
So what do you think that's gonna be??
Do you think there is a decline in comic book art interests? I do not. I see
comic book heroes on t shirts and posters all the time. I hear people talking
about the new Spiderman movie or see them trying to draw their favorite
character.
> But, yeah...that's
>how it's suspossed to work!
It ain't working that way.... I get a 404 error for page 10 and up.
>Charity, Girl...hey...I could use a "charity girl" about now! ;-)
>
Charity draws comic book art, quite nicely, I might add. She's no charity case,
she's an art woman! :)
http://members.aol.com/adgresource
click on her name. Check out some other stuff while you're there, if you like.
>I love this ng so far, my fav! I'll be around! I've only been here since
>last week but am learning fast! It's a *gem* of a thing!
heh, you're cute. :)
--
Gem
BigBeatty
> John:
> >then we
> >discussed some on the more "interesting" names she had done the paper
work
> >on in the past....LOL!!!
>
> yea, there are some really curious domain names out there........ :)
>
> [there really *is* a site called bigbetty ....uh....you gotta be 18 or
> something so there's your first clue.... yikes.]
>
> You should check some that are for sale for a really good laugh. Like a
hand of
> poker gone waaaay bad. Thought the name would be a good bet but........
NO. :)
>
> >made me feel all icky!
>
> yup, Kincade does that to me, too.....
> it's all that sap, ya know....
> [not that there's anything wrong with that.]
Hey...he found his audience and now is reaping the rewords of it! I can't
stand what he does...but he's a great businessman! Bastard! Paint with
light...needs to look at some Parrish is what he needs...and a swift kick in
the "boys!" Altho...when he does those QVC shows...it's like he's
Dracula...I just have to watch him work his "talent" for selling to the old
bible-thumping women...he really puts a lot into selling himself. I'm going
to go puke now...uuugghhhhhh
>
> >I love COLOR...and when I do color...I mean I really like color!!! Like
> >100% stuff...none of the wimpy gradients or pastel stuff...
> >
>
> YES! I really like primary colors - bright and inyourface. John, do you
have
> any of your color work up somewhere? Like to see that.
>
Gem...I do...would you like to come over and see them? ;-)~ Actually I
don't get to work in color much dammit, and when I do, it's usually not my
choices...
> >They all take more time than I have too...I guess it's the
> >anal-retentiveness of my line!
> >
>
> Nah, it's the polish, the spit shine, my man.
>
> >I'm back here in Daytona with my MOM!!!
>
> Yea, Florida! I Love Florida! I miss the Gulf sunsets and the water. Spent
> about 12 years in St Petersburg. John, can you take some pictures?? :)
>
I can...but I'm east coast so it would be sunrise! I'm looking forward to
Bike Week starting this weekend, and then...spring break! Heh!
> >So I can get by here until I decide what's next for me!
>
> So what do you think that's gonna be??
>
Being a greeter at the local Walmart!
> Do you think there is a decline in comic book art interests? I do not. I
see
> comic book heroes on t shirts and posters all the time. I hear people
talking
> about the new Spiderman movie or see them trying to draw their favorite
> character.
Not in the art, but in the books...people will love the movie, that will
help some, but the business has killed itself from the inside. Greedy
people in the early 90's really hurt the market now. It's over Johnny!!!
>
> > But, yeah...that's
> >how it's suspossed to work!
>
> It ain't working that way.... I get a 404 error for page 10 and up.
>
Yeah...I quit after 10...more sometime later...
> >Charity, Girl...hey...I could use a "charity girl" about now! ;-)
> >
> Charity draws comic book art, quite nicely, I might add. She's no charity
case,
> she's an art woman! :)
>
> http://members.aol.com/adgresource
>
> click on her name. Check out some other stuff while you're there, if you
like.
>
I tried...didn't work?
> >I love this ng so far, my fav! I'll be around! I've only been here
since
> >last week but am learning fast! It's a *gem* of a thing!
>
> heh, you're cute. :)
>
> --
> Gem
>
Thanks, I'll probably be the black sheep of this group in time...heh...but
hey...someone has to be!!!
I hope my sarcasm, and point blank thots don't upset anyone...I'm really a
nice person. [ you buying that?]
XXXOOOXXX
John
Gem
>Hey...he found his audience and now is reaping the rewords of it!
That's true, Can't fault the guy for knowing his market in and out. If it
works, make more.
>I do...would you like to come over and see them? ;-)~
heh, would these be 'etchings'? :)
What other mediums do you like to work in? What do you prefer for color
renderings?
>Not in the art, but in the books...people will love the movie, that will
>help some, but the business has killed itself from the inside. Greedy
>people in the early 90's really hurt the market now.
How has it killed itself from the inside? I can't imagine not having comic
books.
>I tried...didn't work?
argh, broken link. Charity, where are you?
>I hope my sarcasm, and point blank thots don't upset anyone...I'm really a
>nice person. [ you buying that?]
Not for a minute, but I like honest, unabashed opinion and smart sarcasm is
positively intoxicating.
[you buying that??] lol
xoxoxox
cheers, John.
--
Gem
BigBeatty
>How has it killed itself from the inside? I can't imagine not having comic
books.
Let's just say GREEED, by the publisher's, the freelancer's and the people
that came into the *speculation* of making quick turn around on books.
These were non-reader types, but peepz that thot they could buy 20-50 copies
of books and then sell them at a higher price within a month or two...it
doesn't work like that. It was a false market.
Comic Books will always be around in some form or another...so don't worry
about that!
>[you buying that??] lol
Hmmm...only time will tell!
John
Carol Ott
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Gem your little village needs a good Holiday Inn. :)
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Kool Runnings...
John
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Gem
>Yeah...I knew that was coming!
>
>Kool Runnings...
hehee
pssssssst John, don't mind them... meet me at Drew's Badger Lounge:
http://www.gem-pages.com/days02.html#drew
:)
--
Gem
hmmm green and blue... yeah, I knew I'd seen that color scheme somewhere.....
<grin>
Gem
>PFFTTT -- more like No-tell Mo-tel. Hmph.
>
oooo, that sounds more like a 'hall*way* moment......
--
Gem
Gem
>Gem your little village needs a good Holiday Inn. :)
lol!
but we've got Patterson Arms and Pepe's got some rooms upstairs he does
gadknowswhat with...
a Holiday Inn. :]
--
Gem
Gem
>HEY YOU TWO! GET A ROOM.
sorry, Carol, for using your thread in this manner. I'm just so ashamed.....
meet me down at Drew's for drinks??
*grin*
--
Gem
Gem
>Let's just say GREEED, by the publisher's, the freelancer's and the people
>that came into the *speculation* of making quick turn around on books.
Ah, I never thought of that. I seem to remember that it was big business a few
years back; to buy up certain editions and resell them. I never considered what
an impact that would have on the business as a whole. hmm.
Freelancers. Greed in respect to what they charged for their art?
>Comic Books will always be around in some form or another...so don't worry
>about that!
:) I am a fan of the art. I hope that style of art does not die out. [I don't
draw comics or cartoons but admire greatly what others can do in this field.]
Where do you see this going in the next few years? Do you see any drastics
changes in how comics are marketed or drawn?
I was thinking that comic book hero movies would boost book sales and vice
versa.
--
Gem
Giuseppe Carmine De Blasio
"Pepe's got some rooms upstairs he does gadknowswhat with..."
Well...I don't remember any mention about the utilisation of those rooms in
the lease contract...anyway, we're creative people; so the use of those
rooms usually gets as creative as the people itself...
You're welcome to come and get as creative as you could/want/wish/should in
any of those rooms anytime, Gem. You know all dark secrets are safe with
me...
<sarcastic tone>
MWAWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
</sarcastic tone>
:-)
Pepe
Milano, Italy
PS: They all have a firescape exit complient with the construction
code...use'em as you wish...
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BigBeatty
Yeah, greed in what the artist wanted to be paid, and in what the companies
started printing...and they had to hire more people to fill the books, and
then when sales dropped it effected everyone...they will always be around in
one way or another...it's just ashame that a few years killed it for most!
Getting comics into a new market is a hard to do...they have to buy vendor
space like everyone else, and the profit margin is slim to none.
The movies do sometimes push books. When the first Batman came out it was a
real boost to EVERYTHING Batman...not just the comics!
John
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BigBeatty
Looked at the rest of the street while I was there tho...nice!
In Vegas, eh? My sis is out in Mesquite!
Speaking of gambling...heh...I've just won $20- a day playing Black Jack
online since Sunday...I get up $20, and get out...it was an EZ $100 for a
buy in of $20. I think I'd better take a break from it tho...the "house" is
due to win. :-) And we can't have that! It only took about 1/2hour 45mins
each time....not bad for break time!
John
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Fungusamungus
a subject near and dear to me :]
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| Ah, I never thought of that. I seem to remember that it was big business a
few
| years back; to buy up certain editions and resell them. I never considered
what
| an impact that would have on the business as a whole. hmm.
|
Hmmm... well, the biggest single impact to the comic book industry in the
last decade was a severe increase in the cost of paper! It drove the price
of most books up a buck or more, overnight. Suddenly, people had to be a lot
pickier, and Marvel got it in their assinine heads to flood the market with
every little spin off imaginable! In the early 90's, it was predicted that
by the year 2000, Marvel would have more than 5 TIMES as many books out as
every other publisher combined!
Obviously, you see where that lead to (Chapter 11, and oddly, a 311million
dollar restructuring plan. Gee, I wish I was bankrupt with that kind of
money...)
| Freelancers. Greed in respect to what they charged for their art?
|
Skipping ahead to Beatty's post, I have to disagree with him. It was the
companies that wanted the name and paid thru the nose for them (comic book
artists I mean). Most of the freelancers didn't have to ask for exorbitant
fees, the fees were handed to them on silver platters!
| >Comic Books will always be around in some form or another...so don't
worry
| >about that!
|
| :) I am a fan of the art. I hope that style of art does not die out. [I
don't
| draw comics or cartoons but admire greatly what others can do in this
field.]
|
I SOOOO hope so! (being a comic book artist myself)
| Where do you see this going in the next few years? Do you see any drastics
| changes in how comics are marketed or drawn?
Drawn? Oh yeah! The flood of manga/anime style books you see now, even
though it's tapering off a bit, I feel is only the tip of the iceberg. Over
the next couple of years, japanese manga and anime will takeover the
mainstream (there are already signs of it), and the best selling comics are
going to be the ones that emulate it. Joe Madueira<sp> was ahead of his time
:]
As for marketing, we're starting to see it now: Online comics, and
subscriptions to 'premium' comics. Like flash animated comics of your
favorite characters.
| I was thinking that comic book hero movies would boost book sales and vice
| versa.
Only good ones. :] Xmen, Batman, possibly Spiderman (distantly, the Hulk)
boost titles. Punisher, Blade (despite it's box office success, people don't
realize this is a comic!), Batman and Robin, they hurt sales.
the popularity of the books will bring people to theatres, but if the movie
sucks, it's not going to boost the book sales.
Gem
guess what? I got the keys!!
somebody turn up that jukebox and I'll set up some margaritas that will knock
your sox off!
>Looked at the rest of the street while I was there tho...nice!
thanks! :)
>.it was an EZ $100 for a
>buy in of $20.
oh, a high-roller, eh ;)
>I think I'd better take a break from it tho...the "house" is
>due to win. :-) And we can't have that!
yea, they usually do.
s'alright. play long enough and you'll get it back. lol
snake-eyes. :|)
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Gem
>ahh, I haven't been reading this thread, so I didn't know it was turning to
>a subject near and dear to me :]
sheesh, I was wondering what took you so long. :)
That's some interesting info, Fungus, thank you. I was surprised to learn of
Marvel's chosen strategy and subsequent downfall.
>It was the
>companies that wanted the name and paid thru the nose for them (comic book
>artists I mean).
So did they think well-known names would sell more books? Or was there some
other kind of status to having a particular artist?
The manga anime style is very popular with the comic artists at school and I
have noticed the direction marketing has taken with the online comics. These
can't be 'collected' though, can they? Isn't that a passion for a lot of comic
fans?
>the popularity of the books will bring people to theatres, but if the movie
>sucks, it's not going to boost the book sales.
Makes sense.
You sure know a lot about this. Thanks. :)
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Gem
Fungus:
BigBeatty
What have you worked on?
John
Gem
>Yeah, greed in what the artist wanted to be paid, and in what the companies
>started printing...and they had to hire more people to fill the books,
Did you read Fungus' post? He states that it wasn't the artists so much as the
publishers. There seems to be fierce competition among comic artists. Is thjis
true?
>Getting comics into a new market is a hard to do...they have to buy vendor
>space like everyone else, and the profit margin is slim to none.
>
What do you think sells a comic? The story or the art?
>The movies do sometimes push books.
Unless the movie is a disappointment, although... that could drive people back
to the books out of loyalty, maybe.
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Gem
BigBeatty
Yeah I read it, and to a point he is right. The publisher's did throw a lot
of really BIG money at talent, but this was after another company had made
an offer to 2 artists of $40K per issue. They took that offer to Marvel to
see if they would match it. And, Marvel did. Then it opened the doors for
other nonsense like that. Everyone made $$$ for awhile, but you know the
end of the story now.
When I'm talking greed, I'm saying that both the publisher's and the
artist's knew the market was false, and took advantage of it. I'm sure the
ones that got paid the big dollars are well off...most of them, some I hear
went thru it like water.
People bought comic books on spec that they could sell them in a few months
at inflated prices. It worked for awhile...but now the game is over and the
business is damaged good because of it.
Everyone involved is really to blame.
I never got those high pay days...they had their special "pet" friends or
contacts and gave them all the bones! I did well...but not like that!
I personally buy comics [and very few anymore] for the art. I can't read a
great story if the art is bad [that's why I don't buy many...]. There are
some interesting things coming out again, finally, but nothing on a regular
basis. In fact I only get 1 book a month on a "must buy" list, and that's
"100 Bullets" Good story, Great art!
Movies can push a book, but it's rare. The X-Men movie did well but I don't
think it brought many [if any] NEW reader's to the books.
I still love the medium of comics...I just wish the market had stayed
realistic instead of killing itself from the inside out!
...as for Fungus' being a comic artist, I'd like to know who he is? Maybe I
know him? I've been in the game for 20 years...
John
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| John:
| >Yeah, greed in what the artist wanted to be paid, and in what the
companies
| >started printing...and they had to hire more people to fill the books,
|
| Did you read Fungus' post? He states that it wasn't the artists so much as
the
| publishers. There seems to be fierce competition among comic artists. Is
thjis
| true?
|
Actually, there's not really. The problem is, you could have 20 guys (or
ladies. let's not discriminate here :] who can do a truly fantastic job on
your book. But one of those artists you may have heard his/her name
somewhere before. Guess who's getting the gig?
| >Getting comics into a new market is a hard to do...they have to buy
vendor
| >space like everyone else, and the profit margin is slim to none.
| >
|
| What do you think sells a comic? The story or the art?
the art, definetly. I hate to say that though. It's the same reason that
special FX movies tend to make so much. Screw the story, we've got tons of
eye candy.
HOWEVER, most well written comics that manage to stick around a few issues
(or more) tend to develop fiercely loyal fan bases. Granted, they may not be
as big as Xmen or Batman or whatever, but you can switch out artists on
those books and the readership will still keep coming (providing the writing
remains up to snuff). But on the mainstreamers, if you go to a crappy
artist, and keep him/her too long, you'll lose readers. (some will stick
around a bit, hoping the art gets better again, but after awhile, they sort
of stray away from the book).
|
| >The movies do sometimes push books.
|
| Unless the movie is a disappointment, although... that could drive people
back
| to the books out of loyalty, maybe.
I've not seen it happen. All that really happens is the already-fans try to
put the crappy movie out of their minds :] See, there's such a
differentiation between the movies and the comics, mainly because people
know that even if they love the movie, the comics are not the same thing.
Granted, a decent movie can re-inspire someone who used to be a comic fan,
but not really 'newly inspire' someone who hasn't had much interest in them.
And let's face it, if you weren't a fan to begin with, there's a much less
chance of you going to see a movie based on a comic. Unless of course, you
didn't know it was a comic originally (like "Men in Black").
Fungusamungus
independents a few years back. I did colors and penciled the cover to issue
2 of "Fates Five" for Innervision Comics.
Only thing is, for all my color work, he decided to print it black and white
at the last minute (even the Previews ads said 'full color', so a lot of
vendors were pissed).
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they get some print quotes, etc...
You're right...I don't know the work...do you have anything online?
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in the 'store' section), you'll see the covers. I colored the covers (and
insides) of issues 2,3 and 4, and penciled the second issue cover.
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