the meaning of life?
Johndonneundone
search for * the meaning of life* and my browser returned 18,746,644 hits!
Where am I to start with that number of hits? I give up!
That is of course unless any one here has the answer? ( With respect, thats a
rhetorical question, no one here has the answer).
But what pisses me off is Im gonna die without finding the answer. It's not the
answer I want i.e I dont engage on the quest, for the meaning of life, as an
interlectual pursuit .Its what I can do with the answer! Become happy! know
joy! Not for short periods of time but for ever! Not even that tho, its
avoiding, in the future, pain, hurt, sadness and confusion. All these emotions
are here now and despite temporary despite, will return and with a vengence
because I have faLlen into the hole again.
The hole that is cleary visable( well u know its there but cant see it) and
signposted as *Danger do not enter* ( an electric fence surrounding it might
help). Maybe its a psychic black hole but if thats the case how do I ever
manage to escape from it? . T(he psychic black hole must have different *
gravatational* forces, from those of physics)
Started up, again, on existentialism a week or so ago. I think its about
finding meaning in life, I think its about creating meaning in life.
Whilst I like the idea of creating meaning in life, does that mean that all
meanings are valid? Good meanings i.e altrueism i.e to serve others? bad
meanings i.e to think only of your own gratification?iIn the extreme to kill
and murder and rape. Fuck so may people doing that!! Values and Value
judgements enter into it! But whose values?? The values of Society? Whose
Society? Our Society? I understand why religion is so appealing!! I understand
why alcohol and drugs are so appealing! Given up both, only worth taking if u
can do it 24 hours per day!
I think I understand existentialsm but maybe I dont, I do know when I read it
years and years ago it made me ADAF. And im so ADAF now and where am I going
for help? back to existentialism!
DONT WANNA GO BACK THERE, NO, IT WILLL FUCK MY ALREADY FUCKED BRAIN!
HELP!!!!!!!!! WHOSE GONNA HELP, NO ONE HERE IS GONNA HELP!!!!!!!! Write a long
post here and every losses attention ( i do, lol). It's the quick soundbites
this NG likes!
JDUD sad, hurt, lonely & confused :'(
Al
> post here and every losses attention ( i do, lol). It's the quick soundbites
> this NG likes!
if it's any consolation, I read right to the end of the post...
Al
matisse
"Johndonneundone" <johndon...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Thats it, I give up! Time after all is finite for us, so I give up ! I did
a
> search for * the meaning of life* and my browser returned 18,746,644 hits!
> Where am I to start with that number of hits? I give up!
>
read camus, 'the myth of sisyphus.' great depressing book.
it asks, why keep rolling the rock up the hill?
of course my favorite book is -the sorrows of young werther-
but i would highly recommend reading, Siddhartha, by Hermann Hesse. That
always makes me feel better.
But really, Whitmann works everytime.
> That is of course unless any one here has the answer? ( With respect,
thats a
> rhetorical question, no one here has the answer).
i have the answer mate! my answer, anyway. that's the secret.
you must give life its own meaning.
>
> But what pisses me off is Im gonna die without finding the answer. It's
not the
> answer I want i.e I dont engage on the quest, for the meaning of life, as
an
> interlectual pursuit .Its what I can do with the answer! Become happy!
know
> joy! Not for short periods of time but for ever! Not even that tho, its
> avoiding, in the future, pain, hurt, sadness and confusion. All these
emotions
> are here now and despite temporary despite, will return and with a
vengence
> because I have faLlen into the hole again.
happiness is nothing more than fleeting moments of contentment. if you were
happy all the time, you would be 'wretchedly content.' you'd be the Last
man, a dreadful animal unable to grow.
>
> The hole that is cleary visable( well u know its there but cant see it)
and
> signposted as *Danger do not enter* ( an electric fence surrounding it
might
> help). Maybe its a psychic black hole but if thats the case how do I ever
> manage to escape from it? . T(he psychic black hole must have different *
> gravatational* forces, from those of physics)
>
mine has this really thin piece of thread that i can occasionally use to
climb out. it breaks on me all the time, but sometimes i can get high enough
with the thread to be able to see the light.
> Started up, again, on existentialism a week or so ago. I think its about
> finding meaning in life, I think its about creating meaning in life.
>
it is about meaninglessness, about the 'death of god,' and about the need to
give life your own meaning.
> Whilst I like the idea of creating meaning in life, does that mean that
all
> meanings are valid?
no, just because value has become unattached from its metaphysical base
doesn't mean that values are any different than they have ever been. There
is no God, nor has there ever been.
Good meanings i.e altrueism i.e to serve others? bad
> meanings i.e to think only of your own gratification?
can one ever serve others without being selffish and taking something in
return?
iIn the extreme to kill
> and murder and rape. Fuck so may people doing that!! Values and Value
> judgements enter into it! But whose values?? The values of Society? Whose
> Society? Our Society? I understand why religion is so appealing!! I
understand
> why alcohol and drugs are so appealing! Given up both, only worth taking
if u
> can do it 24 hours per day!
>
> I think I understand existentialsm but maybe I dont, I do know when I read
it
> years and years ago it made me ADAF. And im so ADAF now and where am I
going
> for help? back to existentialism!
my favorite existential phrase, 'hope leads to resignation.'
my favorite non-existential phrase, 'man would rather will nothingness than
not will at all.'
> DONT WANNA GO BACK THERE, NO, IT WILLL FUCK MY ALREADY FUCKED BRAIN!
> HELP!!!!!!!!! WHOSE GONNA HELP, NO ONE HERE IS GONNA HELP!!!!!!!! Write a
long
> post here and every losses attention ( i do, lol). It's the quick
soundbites
> this NG likes!
i don't know what you have been reading, but i have always found some
existentialism useful in forcing me to remember that i have to create my own
meaning.
i am a nihilist at the end of the day, but also someone who believes it can
be overcome. the existentialist don't try to overcome it. they stagnate and
hold on to the nothingness out of dread that God is dead. Nothing, though,
has really changed. it is the worst kind of defense mechanism.
try reading -philosophical investigations- by Wittgenstein. Best damn book
to combat nihilism.
of course i hear that the bible is really good as well.
I myself prefer reading the Russian nihilists. Or some good sci fi always
works.
Al
build boats
even better, build boats badly, then you can spend all your free time
fixing the problems...
Al
pondering whetherto build a 20foot rowing shell out of 1x1 and 2.5 mm
ply or not
Deep Fried Mars
> Whilst I like the idea of creating meaning in life, does that mean that
all
> meanings are valid? Good meanings i.e altrueism i.e to serve others? bad
> meanings i.e to think only of your own gratification?iIn the extreme to
kill
> and murder and rape. Fuck so may people doing that!! Values and Value
> judgements enter into it! But whose values?? The values of Society? Whose
> Society? Our Society? I understand why religion is so appealing!! I
understand
> why alcohol and drugs are so appealing! Given up both, only worth taking
if u
> can do it 24 hours per day!
>
Sounds like you may have a dose of 'caring about what people think'.
Sure-fire misery.
> I think I understand existentialsm but maybe I dont, I do know when I read
it
> years and years ago it made me ADAF. And im so ADAF now and where am I
going
> for help? back to existentialism!
>
> DONT WANNA GO BACK THERE, NO, IT WILLL FUCK MY ALREADY FUCKED BRAIN!
> HELP!!!!!!!!! WHOSE GONNA HELP, NO ONE HERE IS GONNA HELP!!!!!!!! Write a
long
> post here and every losses attention ( i do, lol). It's the quick
soundbites
> this NG likes!
>
> JDUD sad, hurt, lonely & confused :'(
>
Sad to hear. There haven't been a lot of truly ADAF posts of late. It is
nice to hear this refreshing stuff...
I hope ya come to terms with it, for your own sake.
Devil Plaything
"Al" <Alm...@mygaff.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Hey, so did I, but I didn't see that bit...
Oh, right... after the block caps. I tend to switch off at block caps, I
must admit.
I remember reading Sartre at college, and thinking he was the most arrogant
full-of-shit philosopher I'd read, plus entirely on the speculative side of
philosophy, which is never going to lead anywhere.
But then I did find myself feeling that some of the observations he made
about the human condition were actually pretty accurate.
Was it him that said that all his philosophy was doing was taking atheism to
its logical conclusions, or was that somebody else? Too long ago, forget.
I remember I did write a poem about Sartre that I got to read out in my
philosophy class...
"Jean Paul Sartre,
Was a silly old twat"
My philosophy teacher simply remarked that I still hadn't got the hang of
pronouncing "Sartre" if that was meant to rhyme...
Best of luck jdud, and report back if you find anything...
kitzwise.gamgee
>> you must give life its own meaning.
>
>build boats
>
>even better, build boats badly, then you can spend all your free time
>fixing the problems...
I love that, Al. You rock :)
- kitz -
"Check the claws." deftones
http://whatarmy.tripod.com
kitzwise.gamgee
>But what pisses me off is Im gonna die without finding the answer.
Dude. The answer is *nothing*. That's all. You're making it too hard.
Nothing matters and nobody cares. That's all.
>Its what I can do with the answer! Become happy! know
>joy! Not for short periods of time but for ever!
This is the only one that I know that has ever brought me anything but more
confusion. If I know that there is really nothing that I can do that means
shit to anybody, there's actually some weird sort of comfort in it.
>DONT WANNA GO BACK THERE, NO, IT WILLL FUCK MY ALREADY FUCKED BRAIN!
>HELP!!!!!!!!! WHOSE GONNA HELP, NO ONE HERE IS GONNA HELP!!!!!!!!
The answer is nothing. There is nothing. Nothing at all, and nothing matters
worth shit. Bon appetite. No matter how bad you fuck up, it doesn't matter.
Woohoo! Happiness in slavery.
>JDUD sad, hurt, lonely & confused :'(
Sorry my answer is as unsatisfying as it is. I've been suicidal and depressed
about this same thing you're talking about for the last four years and I just
can't stand to think about it logically anymore. I've decided to become a
mindless optimist and tell everyone that pisses in my yard to fuck off. :\
Stupy!
* It is what you decide the meaning of life is. *
This is kind of hard to accept but it's better than "42", the next best
alternative.
Look, if you decided that the meaning of life was to go and eat pizza
tonight, then that could be your meaning of life - as long as you believe in
it. Let's look at religion, since you mention it. Now whether religions are
TRUE or not could be debated for days because noone can really prove either
way. But for the people who BELIEVE in it, it really does not matter,
because that is what they BELIEVE. Part of the role of religions is to GIVE
meaning in life, because well, the other options for the meaning of life
aren't so well established ;) For people deeply into a religion, they are
convinced that it is the meaning of life: but does that mean, really, that
it is? You are still searching and you are aware of religion, so you must be
a little cynical of this description.
Drawing this together, people in religions think that the meaning of life is
to live their life as the bible says, etc, and they get the token reward
(depending on religious specifics). They think this because that is what
they BELIEVE. I could try to get more examples, but I'm writing at 1am my
time here. The point is that if you want to have a meaning of life, you just
need to set up something and convince yourself of it. The human mind is that
malleable :).
Overall, life is what you want to make of it. Bad stuff happens. Good stuff
happens. Often more bad than good. It's when you focus on it that you start
to fall...
Stuart
"Johndonneundone" <johndon...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Stupy!
Stuart
"kitzwise.gamgee" <kitzn...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Happiness in slavery.
matisse
"Devil Plaything" <spamtodevi...@directvinternet.noreally.com> wrote
in message news:3c703f6f$1_7@news1...
>
> "Al" <Alm...@mygaff.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3C6F95C4...@mygaff.fsnet.co.uk...
> > Write a long
> > > post here and every losses attention ( i do, lol). It's the quick
> soundbites
> > > this NG likes!
> >
> > if it's any consolation, I read right to the end of the post...
>
> Hey, so did I, but I didn't see that bit...
>
> Oh, right... after the block caps. I tend to switch off at block caps, I
> must admit.
>
> I remember reading Sartre at college, and thinking he was the most
arrogant
> full-of-shit philosopher I'd read, plus entirely on the speculative side
of
> philosophy, which is never going to lead anywhere.
>
> But then I did find myself feeling that some of the observations he made
> about the human condition were actually pretty accurate.
>
> Was it him that said that all his philosophy was doing was taking atheism
to
> its logical conclusions, or was that somebody else? Too long ago, forget.
>
it was a project first started by Nietzsche.
> I remember I did write a poem about Sartre that I got to read out in my
> philosophy class...
>
> "Jean Paul Sartre,
> Was a silly old twat"
>
> My philosophy teacher simply remarked that I still hadn't got the hang of
> pronouncing "Sartre" if that was meant to rhyme...
i'm currently reading the biography of simone de beauvoir. sartre was a
shit.
m
Al
> >fixing the problems...
>
> I love that, Al. You rock :)
mostly when I try to stand up in a boat...
actually, this is a serious comment, I have a skull on sawhorses at the
boathouse right now, that I've been working on on and off for the past
couple of weeks, the actual repair job didn't take long... it's all the
time I've spent _neatening_ the work that's taken time... and I still
haven't finished all the filling yet...
anyhoo...
errm, the results of the regatta that I rowed in last saturday are:
Posn. No. Cat. Crew Time Div
=27 226 MJ 4+ Breen 09:32.5 2
64 228 MJ 4+ Lin 10:22.5 2
70 5 MJ 1x Cravern 10:30.2 1
90 316 WJ18 4+ Platts 11:02.5 3
94 315 WJ18 4+ Croton 11:07.7 3
119 27 WJ18 1x 12:29.0 1
122 6 MJ 1x Lin 12:48.0 1
which equates to, my crew (second men's - Lin) came in fourth in
division (of 4 admittedly... but we were racing the best crews in the
country...) and the second women's crew (platts) beat the first women's
crew (croton) by 5.2 seconds... which has been a source of great
hilarity in the boatshed today...
Al
kitzwise.gamgee
>And Freedom Is Slavery?
Who said anything about freedom?
matisse
"Stupy!" <lege...@diespammersdie.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> And Freedom Is Slavery?
>
well of course
StevenB
engine being repaired. Played bridge and finished Sartre's Being and
Nothingness. What I got from it is that we have no choice but to make our
own meaning. And if you decide not to make meaning that is also making
meaning. If there is a meaning out there that is pure, complete,
encompasses all, it is beyond us poor mortal's understanding. So, it still
comes back to making our own meaning. Since depression is such a boring
meaning to make out of life, although so easy for me and I guess you, too,
to fall into, we must choose better.
Depression is a Choice, by A.B. Curtis, is a good book. Back to basics.
Simple steps to "Snap out of it". Easier said than done, Mr. Undone Donne,
but hey, what have we got to lose?
Cheers!
matisse
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> I once was stuck on a boat in a harbor for 4 days, with passport pulled,
> engine being repaired. Played bridge and finished Sartre's Being and
> Nothingness. What I got from it is that we have no choice but to make our
> own meaning. And if you decide not to make meaning that is also making
> meaning. If there is a meaning out there that is pure, complete,
> encompasses all, it is beyond us poor mortal's understanding. So, it
still
> comes back to making our own meaning.
might i just add that sartre grounds this on the idea that man is 'afraid'
of his freedom.
the anxiety associated with depression and depression itself at times seem
to be nothing more than attempts at not being free. or rather, it is a
failure to acknowledge our freedom.
OB
> in message news:3c703f6f$1_7@news1...
> > "Jean Paul Sartre,
> > Was a silly old twat"
Not necessarily. He was just an ugly bastard. As a member of the same
species, I think I can understand how his mind worked. He figured he
wanted to get laid and it was not going to be easy with that face, so
he decided to become a philosopher coz around that time in France
there was a shortage of them and they were in demand. Didn't really
matter what the philosophy was about as long as it ended in "ism" -
even today, if you can come up with your own ism, you've got it made.
The idea was basically that if you were a philosopher you could sit
around in bars drinking absinthe and sounding off about Nothingness
and that is interesting for French women, who find Nothingness
intriguing as a concept. You got to attract a coterie which in case
your French isn't so hot is basically a bunch of gorgeous female
students with short skirts and notepads. It seems to have worked,
since apart from S de B he had loads of other women buzzing around,
even when he was quite old, which seems pretty incredible when you see
what he looked like. Trouble is, nowadays everyone knows that
philosophy is a load of crap so it doesn't pull them in like it used
to. Being a writer is a better bet but there are problems there too
because let's face it, everything that can possibly be written already
has been, mostly by James Joyce (the bastard), so nowadays "writer" is
practically synonymous with "plagiarist" and answering "what do you
do" at parties with "I'm a plagiarist" doesn't seem to attract a lot
of admiring attention from women either. Plus they want to see
something you've written and usually there isn't anything. So my
conclusion is that in all of history there has never been a worse time
to be an ugly bastard. Which is really why I'm here.
In answer to an earlier question, someone here was wondering what the
meaning of life is. The answer is: trying to get laid. At least,
that's the meaning of my life. Can't speak for anyone else of course
but it's good enough for me. Trouble is, it just never seems to, well,
happen.
Devil Plaything
"OB" <lew...@menta.net> wrote in message
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> he decided to become a philosopher coz around that time in France
> there was a shortage of them and they were in demand. Didn't really
> matter what the philosophy was about as long as it ended in "ism" -
> even today, if you can come up with your own ism, you've got it made.
> The idea was basically that if you were a philosopher you could sit
> around in bars drinking absinthe and sounding off about Nothingness
> and that is interesting for French women, who find Nothingness
> intriguing as a concept.
Yes, I suspect this was pretty high on his mind (which supports my "silly
old twat" theory IMO). Existentialism does seem to be largely a woman's
philosophy. Something about life being empty & meaningless must strike a
particular chord with the female psyche I guess :)
> practically synonymous with "plagiarist" and answering "what do you
> do" at parties with "I'm a plagiarist" doesn't seem to attract a lot
> of admiring attention from women either.
I know... what's a man of words to do if he wants to pull the chicks?
> In answer to an earlier question, someone here was wondering what the
> meaning of life is. The answer is: trying to get laid. At least,
> that's the meaning of my life. Can't speak for anyone else of course
> but it's good enough for me. Trouble is, it just never seems to, well,
> happen.
I concur. There may be lots of other things of great importance in the
world, but I think most people would cash them in for a shag if they're
honest.
matisse
wrote
> > in message news:3c703f6f$1_7@news1...
>
> > > "Jean Paul Sartre,
> > > Was a silly old twat"
>
> Not necessarily. He was just an ugly bastard. As a member of the same
> species, I think I can understand how his mind worked. He figured he
> wanted to get laid and it was not going to be easy with that face, so
> he decided to become a philosopher coz around that time in France
> there was a shortage of them and they were in demand. Didn't really
> matter what the philosophy was about as long as it ended in "ism" -
> even today, if you can come up with your own ism, you've got it made.
> The idea was basically that if you were a philosopher you could sit
> around in bars drinking absinthe and sounding off about Nothingness
> and that is interesting for French women, who find Nothingness
> intriguing as a concept. You got to attract a coterie which in case
> your French isn't so hot is basically a bunch of gorgeous female
> students with short skirts and notepads. It seems to have worked,
> since apart from S de B he had loads of other women buzzing around,
> even when he was quite old, which seems pretty incredible when you see
> what he looked like.
many of whom were s de B students! he also made her the 'excuse' and
'enforcer' of getting rid of these ladies when he was sick of them.
at the end of the day, i'm not so sure his philosophy was the appeal as much
as his generous, shitty nature. Simone and he gave everyone around what
they could. They created 'The Family.' Their ideas of a new form of society
is what drew people to them.
Trouble is, nowadays everyone knows that
> philosophy is a load of crap so it doesn't pull them in like it used
> to. Being a writer is a better bet but there are problems there too
> because let's face it, everything that can possibly be written already
> has been, mostly by James Joyce (the bastard), so nowadays "writer" is
> practically synonymous with "plagiarist" and answering "what do you
> do" at parties with "I'm a plagiarist" doesn't seem to attract a lot
> of admiring attention from women either. Plus they want to see
> something you've written and usually there isn't anything. So my
> conclusion is that in all of history there has never been a worse time
> to be an ugly bastard. Which is really why I'm here.
no mate, it had a lot more to do with him being French. The French have
always been fascinated with their 'intellectuals,' and there are still many
'pop star' philosophers in France, as there most likely always will be.
OB
> no mate, it had a lot more to do with him being French. The French have
> always been fascinated with their 'intellectuals,' and there are still many
> 'pop star' philosophers in France, as there most likely always will be.
I suppose you're right. The word "intellectual" can still be used as a
noun in France and I suspect certain other European countries (though
not Spain) without irony, which I suppose goes to support your point.
None of which helps me much since (a) I live in Spain, not France, (b)
I know nothing about Nothingness, or indeed about anything which might
qualify me as an Intellectual; (c) my French is rudimentary, and (d) I
am 40, which probably makes me too old to start a new philosophy. If I
did though, it would probably be called Desperatism.
"I am desperate for a shag, therefore I am"
Hmm. Maybe there are possibilities there after all.
matisse
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>
> > no mate, it had a lot more to do with him being French. The French have
> > always been fascinated with their 'intellectuals,' and there are still
many
> > 'pop star' philosophers in France, as there most likely always will be.
>
> I suppose you're right. The word "intellectual" can still be used as a
> noun in France and I suspect certain other European countries (though
> not Spain) without irony, which I suppose goes to support your point.
> None of which helps me much since (a) I live in Spain, not France, (b)
> I know nothing about Nothingness, or indeed about anything which might
> qualify me as an Intellectual; (c) my French is rudimentary, and (d) I
> am 40, which probably makes me too old to start a new philosophy.
not at all. some of the greatest 'philosophies' were created by older
people.
If I
> did though, it would probably be called Desperatism.
>
> "I am desperate for a shag, therefore I am"
>
> Hmm. Maybe there are possibilities there after all.
i probably shouldn't being posting this, but it amuzed the hell out of me.
my husband's little brother (around 19) ranked up a 1500 euro phone bill
calling porn lines. i laughed myself silly thinking about all the free
fucks or blow jobs he could have bought for that amount of money. what a
moron.
you boys sure are strange creatures.
Abwesender Vater
>
> "OB" <lew...@menta.net> wrote in message
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> > "matisse" <smi...@cascade.net> wrote in message
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> >
>>
> > did though, it would probably be called Desperatism.
> >
> > "I am desperate for a shag, therefore I am"
> >
dont they have prostitutes in spain?
>
> i probably shouldn't being posting this, but it amuzed the hell out of me.
>
> my husband's little brother (around 19) ranked up a 1500 euro phone bill
> calling porn lines. i laughed myself silly thinking about all the free
> fucks or blow jobs he could have bought for that amount of money. what a
> moron.
>
dont know how much that is in US $ but, my last roommate ran up about $800
in phone sex, and the bill was in my name. that would amount to atleast 80
blow jobs considering when we lived there i got one for $10 right across the
street.
--
Abwesender Vater
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"now what do you think of the one you call god? isnt his absence slightly
odd?"
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Deep Fried Mars
> dont know how much that is in US $ but, my last roommate ran up about $800
> in phone sex, and the bill was in my name. that would amount to atleast
80
> blow jobs considering when we lived there i got one for $10 right across
the
> street.
>
Yeah, your mum's the best!
Deep Fried Mars
Devil Plaything
"Abwesender Vater" <abwesend...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> dont know how much that is in US $ but, my last roommate ran up about $800
> in phone sex, and the bill was in my name. that would amount to atleast
80
> blow jobs considering when we lived there i got one for $10 right across
the
> street.
So how does that work? I was pondering the issue after I quite accidentally
found the red light district in San Francisco, where there were girls
touting for business on every street corner. But what happens? You pay
them money, they're certainly not going to screw you on the street corner
(right?). You go into a back alley somewhere? Cold & uncomfortable (and I
didn't see anybody in the back alleys). In the car? Your house? A hotel?
Their house?
Just couldn't figure out how it all works on a practical level...
DP
(innocente)
OB
> dont they have prostitutes in spain?
Sure. They advertise in the local paper, about three pages of them
every day.
I dunno. I've talked this over with my psychologist, she reckons I
should give it a go, but warns me that the stuff I'm looking for could
be a bit, well, pricey. See, what I'd be into would be someone who
actually seemed to enjoy my company. As I understand it this pushes
the price right up, as what you're really looking for then is not so
much a hooker as an actress and a darn good one. THese do exist, but
the ads that grab my attention in this respect tend to be pitched at
travelling businessmen on generous expense budgets and start at around
300€ per hour, i.e. one would be handing over approx. half one's
monthly income for the sake of one hour of being smiled at and
listened to. I can understand people going for phone sex (which is
seriously big business round here), at least when you get to my age
it's not so much the physical stuff you're after (you can do that on
your own for no cost) as just that, the feeling of being liked and
accepted, having someone you can talk to as well as putting your arm
round them (difficult on phone, admittedly). Like I say, this is
really for the guys on expense accounts from large corporations. But
just once would be nice, even if it plunged me into rent arrears
problems for the next few months. Hell, anything's worth a try once.
matisse
"Abwesender Vater" <abwesend...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:fbyc8.839$0C1....@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> >
> > "OB" <lew...@menta.net> wrote in message
> > news:68eaa475.02021...@posting.google.com...
> > > "matisse" <smi...@cascade.net> wrote in message
> > news:<Xnsc8.240$0C1....@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
> > >
> >>
> > If I
> > > did though, it would probably be called Desperatism.
> > >
> > > "I am desperate for a shag, therefore I am"
> > >
>
> dont they have prostitutes in spain?
>
> >
> > i probably shouldn't being posting this, but it amuzed the hell out of
me.
> >
> > my husband's little brother (around 19) ranked up a 1500 euro phone bill
> > calling porn lines. i laughed myself silly thinking about all the free
> > fucks or blow jobs he could have bought for that amount of money. what
a
> > moron.
> >
>
> dont know how much that is in US $
the idea behind the euro is to have it be a semi-equal exchange with teh
dollar. it is just shy of being equivalent.
but, my last roommate ran up about $800
> in phone sex, and the bill was in my name. that would amount to atleast
80
> blow jobs considering when we lived there i got one for $10 right across
the
> street.
thank you for reaffirming the silliness of it all.
Abwesender Vater
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>
> > dont they have prostitutes in spain?
>
> Sure. They advertise in the local paper, about three pages of them
> every day.
>
> I dunno. I've talked this over with my psychologist, she reckons I
> should give it a go, but warns me that the stuff I'm looking for could
> be a bit, well, pricey. See, what I'd be into would be someone who
> actually seemed to enjoy my company.
>>>
i thought you just wanted to get laid, in that case i guess your fucked. or
not fucked for that matter. you could try to make-believe that the people
on the TV are your friends. or get a pet.
Abwesender Vater
that one wasnt planned out, this crack head caught me coming home really
drunk late one night and saw easy money. and i couldnt say no. she took me
to the top of the stairs in a half boarded-up housing project. it was
really dark and smelly and creepy. i could have very easily been mugged
shot or something since im white but it all worked out in the end.
my friend lives above a porn shop downtown that just got raided for male
prostitution. there was always guys standing around on the corner, we
already knew they were selling dope but i guess that wasnt all they were
offering.
> DP
> (innocente)
sure, your the one with the idle hands.
Abwesender Vater
Deep Fried Mars <deepfr...@hatemail.com> wrote in message
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OUCH!!! BURN!!!
matisse
>
> OB <lew...@menta.net> wrote in message
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> > "Abwesender Vater" <abwesend...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:<nCzc8.923$ZC3....@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
> >
> > > dont they have prostitutes in spain?
> >
> > Sure. They advertise in the local paper, about three pages of them
> > every day.
> >
> > I dunno. I've talked this over with my psychologist, she reckons I
> > should give it a go, but warns me that the stuff I'm looking for could
> > be a bit, well, pricey. See, what I'd be into would be someone who
> > actually seemed to enjoy my company.
> >>>
>
> i thought you just wanted to get laid, in that case i guess your fucked.
or
> not fucked for that matter. you could try to make-believe that the people
> on the TV are your friends. or get a pet.
or who knows, maybe i real lady will give you what you want if you aren't so
desparate for it.
Abwesender Vater
maybe he wouldnt be so desperate if a real lady would just give him what he
wants.
matisse
but if he shows the he is desparate, a real lady won't give him what he
wants --she'll be turned off.
Abwesender Vater
yea but he wouldnt show it if he wasnt so very very desperate, hence the
need for a real lady to just give him what he wants already so he wont be so
desperate and consequently it wouldnt show.
Devil Plaything
> that one wasnt planned out, this crack head caught me coming home really
> drunk late one night and saw easy money. and i couldnt say no. she took
me
> to the top of the stairs in a half boarded-up housing project. it was
> really dark and smelly and creepy. i could have very easily been mugged
> shot or something since im white but it all worked out in the end.
Hmmm... I see.
:: takes notes ::
> my friend lives above a porn shop downtown that just got raided for male
> prostitution. there was always guys standing around on the corner, we
> already knew they were selling dope but i guess that wasnt all they were
> offering.
There's a massage parlor in San Francisco conveniently located above a porn
store, just in case you had any doubt that "massage parlor" meant "brothel"
in this case :)
> > DP
> > (innocente)
>
> sure, your the one with the idle hands.
But I'm sure the devil will find work for them soon...
matisse
him, thus, he is screwed (no pun intended)
matisse
"Devil Plaything" <spamtodevi...@directvinternet.noreally.com> wrote
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what difference does it make?
just one of the girls
i give up, i tried to reason with her OB. you are on your own.
matisse
"Devil Plaything" <spamtodevi...@directvinternet.noreally.com> wrote
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>
> ::confused::
>
sorry, i got confused for a moment and thought it was a meow thread, inwhich
case, i gave the appropriate response to those who do in fact agree with me
that usenet is nothing but a giant smith's cascade.
matisse
"just one of the girls" <abwesend...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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<stomps feet>
shame on you! i was having fun, and as you said elsewhere, usenet is a
great way to amuse oneself!
you are absolutely, completely no fun!
<sticks out tongue>
Devil Plaything
> sorry, i got confused for a moment and thought it was a meow thread,
inwhich
> case, i gave the appropriate response to those who do in fact agree with
me
> that usenet is nothing but a giant smith's cascade.
::still confused, but accept that I will probably remain that way::
Devil Plaything
"Eeyore" <depresse...@moan.bitch.whine> wrote in message
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> If your idea of a brothel is a handjob by a nasty looking tired old
> japanese woman...
More the place where that would happen, if I understand these things
correctly.
> > > sure, your the one with the idle hands.
> >
> > But I'm sure the devil will find work for them soon...
>
> Pervert.
>
What's *wrong* with sodomy of domestic pets?
Zeed
ejaculated news:3c75f56e_2@news1:
>
> "Eeyore" <depresse...@moan.bitch.whine> wrote in message
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>>
>> Pervert.
>>
>
> What's *wrong* with sodomy of domestic pets?
>
Or indeed, sodomy by domestic pets.
With each other, even.
Dogs and cats, living in sin.
Briefly getting back to "the" or even "a" meaning of life, I see two main
options (which aren't necessarily mutually exclusive):
1) Reproduce more of your species because you've been programed genetically
and or socially to do so.
2) Do what you enjoy doing.
Personally I find life too hideously cruel and pointless to want to create
any more of it, so 1) is out for me (thank fuck). Now if I could just get
option 2) up and flying correctly. Probably just another typically tragic
case of too little sodomy without enough drugs.
just one of the girls
Zeed <Dysphoric@Society@Large> wrote in message
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exactly, all of us whiny bitchy sad bored mad insane perverted dillusional
fecalphiliacs should cease and desist with the reproduction. we should all
kill ourselves before we infect the rest of the universe with our
jibber-jabber. i think we all agree that there will never be enough sodomy
or drugs.
just one of the girls
i know you are, but what am i?
matisse
you mean we are different people?
just one of the girls
are you saying that we aint?
matisse
are we playing pong?
what do you think i'm saying?
just one of the girls
matisse <smi...@cascade.net> wrote in message
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aint you getting alittle ahead of yourself? does that even make any sense?
matisse
sense?
>
>
what are you talking about? do you ever make sense?
Eris de Suzerain
:
: "just one of the girls" <abwesend...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
making sense - what are the ingredients? I don' think i've tried that dish.
Who Cares
>Where am I to start with that number of hits? I give up!
>That is of course unless any one here has the answer?
John:
The secret of life is:
A good blowjob.
(I'm not sure if it's giving or reveiving though)
R.
I sure wish the rescue ship would get here and take me back to my own planet.
Who Cares
>What's *wrong* with sodomy of domestic pets?
Hamsters tend explode when something larger than their own body is inserted in
them.
Devil Plaything
"Who Cares" <rv1...@aol.com.spam.me> wrote in message
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> > "Devil Plaything" wrote:
>
> >What's *wrong* with sodomy of domestic pets?
>
>
> Hamsters tend explode when something larger than their own body is
inserted in
> them.
True - the air pressure build up I presume. I guess that does count as a
little bit wrong, but I'm still not convinced it makes me a pervert. It's
not like I bought this underwear of a Japanese schoolgirl or anything...
...I just like to have women's underwear around, ok?
Who Cares
>It's not like I bought this underwear of a Japanese schoolgirl or anything...
>
>...I just like to have women's underwear around, ok?
:-))
Theodius H.
>
> ...I just like to have women's underwear around, ok?
Yeah... around their ankles. ;P