Israeli drive to prevent Jewish girls dating Arabs
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Jonathan Cook
The National
September 25. 2009
NAZARETH // A local authority in Israel has announced that it is
establishing a special team of youth counsellors and psychologists whose job
it will be to identify young Jewish women who are dating Arab men and
"rescue" them.
The move by the municipality of Petah Tikva, a city close to Tel Aviv, is
the latest in a series of separate - and little discussed - initiatives from
official bodies, rabbis, private organisations and groups of Israeli
residents to try to prevent interracial dating and marriage.
In a related development, the Israeli media reported this month that
residents of Pisgat Zeev, a large Jewish settlement in the midst of
Palestinian neighbourhoods in East Jerusalem, had formed a vigilante-style
patrol to stop Arab men from mixing with local Jewish girls.
Hostility to intimate relationships developing across Israel's ethnic divide
is shared by many Israeli Jews, who regard such behaviour as a threat to the
state's Jewishness. One of the few polls on the subject, in 2007, found that
more than half of Israeli Jews believed intermarriage should be equated with
"national treason".
Since the state's founding in 1948, analysts have noted, a series of legal
and administrative measures have been taken by Israel to limit the
possibilities of close links developing between Jewish and Arab citizens,
the latter comprising a fifth of the population.
Largely segregated communities and separate education systems mean that
there are few opportunities for young Arabs and Jews to become familiarised
with each other. Even in the handful of "mixed cities", Arab residents are
usually confined to separate neighbourhoods.
In addition, civil marriage is banned in Israel, meaning that in the small
number of cases where Jews and Arabs want to wed, they can do so only by
leaving the country for a ceremony abroad. The marriage is recognised on the
couple's return.
Dr Yuval Yonay, a sociologist at Haifa University, said the number of
interracial marriages was "too small to be studied". "Separation between
Jews and Arabs is so ingrained in Israeli society, it is surprising that
anyone manages to escape these central controls."
The team in Petah Tikva, a Jewish city of 200,000 residents, was created in
direct response to news that two Jewish girls, aged 17 and 19, were
accompanying a group of young Arab men when they allegedly beat a Jewish
man, Leonard Karp, to death last month on a Tel Aviv beach. The older girl
was from Petah Tikva.
The girls' involvement with the Arab youths has revived general concern that
a once-firm taboo against interracial dating is beginning to erode among
some young people.
In sentiments widely shared, Hezi Hakak, a spokesman for Petah Tikva
municipality, said "Russian girls", young Jewish women whose parents arrived
in Israel over the past two decades, since the former Soviet Union
collapsed, were particularly vulnerable to the attention of Arab men.
Dr Yonay said Russian women were less closed to the idea of relationships
with Arab men because they "did not undergo the religious and Zionist
education" to which more established Israeli Jews were subject.
Mr Hakak said the municipality had created a hotline that parents and
friends of the Jewish women could use to inform on them.
"We can't tell the girls what to do but we can send a psychologist to their
home to offer them and their parents advice," he said.
Motti Zaft, the deputy mayor, told the Ynet website that the municipality
was also cracking down on city homeowners who illegally subdivide apartments
to rent them cheaply to single Arab men looking for work in the Tel Aviv
area. He estimated that several hundred Arab men had moved into the city as
a result.
Petah Tikva's hostility to Arab men mixing with local Jewish women is shared
by other communities.
In Pisgat Zeev, a settlement of 40,000 Jews, some 35 Jewish men are reported
to belong to a patrol known as "Fire for Judaism" that tries to stop
interracial dating.
Unusually for a settlement, Pisgat Zeev has attracted a tiny but growing
population of Arab families, both from East Jerusalem and from inside
Israel. Because Pisgat Zeev sits within Jerusalem's municipal borders, Arabs
with Israeli residency rights can live there as long as Jewish settlers are
willing to rent to them.
One member, who identified himself as Moshe to the Jerusalem Post newspaper,
said: "Our goal is to be in contact with these girls and try to explain to
them the dangers of what they're getting themselves into. In the last 10
years, 60 girls from Pisgat Zeev have gone into [Palestinian] villages [in
the West Bank]. And most of them aren't heard from after that."
He denied that violence or threats were used against Arab men.
Last year, the municipality of Kiryat Gat, a town of 50,000 Jews in southern
Israel, launched a programme in schools to warn Jewish girls of the dangers
of dating local Bedouin men. The girls were shown a video titled Sleeping
with the Enemy, which describes mixed couples as an "unnatural phenomenon".
Haim Shalom, head of the municipality's welfare department, is filmed
saying: "The girls, in their innocence, go with the exploitative Arab."
In 2004, posters sprang up all over the northern town of Safed warning
Jewish women that dating Arab men would lead to "beatings, hard drugs,
prostitution and crime".
Safed's chief rabbi, Shmuel Eliyahu, told a local newspaper that the
"seducing" of Jewish girls was "another form of war" by Arab men.
Both Kiryat Gat and Safed's campaigns were supported by a religious
organisation called Yad L'achim, which runs an anti-assimilation team
publicly dedicated to "saving" Jewish women.
According to its website, the organisation receives more than 100 calls a
month about Jewish women living with Arab men, both in Israel and the West
Bank. It launches "military-like rescues [of the women] from hostile Arab
villages" in co-ordination with the police and army.
"The Jewish soul is a precious, all-too-rare resource, and we are not
prepared to give up on even a single one," says the website.
Jeffrey Krantz
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> Israeli drive to prevent Jewish girls dating Arabs
and what do you find wrong with that??? It is a JEWISH state, and if they
date arabs and marry arabs, the kids are no longer Jewish.
And given the Arab history of treating women, why would you want YOUR
daughter to marry an arab???
dsharavi
> Israeli drive to prevent Jewish girls dating Arabs
> Jonathan Cook
> The National
> September 25. 2009
> NAZARETH // A local authority in Israel has announced that it is
> establishing a special team of youth counsellors and psychologists whose job
> it will be to identify young Jewish women who are dating Arab men and
> "rescue" them.
> The move by the municipality of Petah Tikva, a city close to Tel Aviv, is
> the latest in a series of separate - and little discussed - initiatives from
> official bodies, rabbis, private organisations and groups of Israeli
> residents to try to prevent interracial dating and marriage.
>
> In a related development, the Israeli media reported this month that
> residents of Pisgat Zeev, a large Jewish settlement in the midst of
> Palestinian neighbourhoods in East Jerusalem, had formed a vigilante-style
> patrol to stop Arab men from mixing with local Jewish girls.
>
> Hostility to intimate relationships developing across Israel's ethnic divide
> is shared by many Israeli Jews, who regard such behaviour as a threat to the
> state's Jewishness. One of the few polls on the subject, in 2007, found that
> more than half of Israeli Jews believed intermarriage should be equated with
> "national treason".
Petah Tikva tries to discourage young girls' relationships with older
men
Sep. 18, 2009
RON FRIEDMAN , THE JERUSALEM POST
Following the murder of Eric Karp last month, the Petah Tikva
Municipality has geared up efforts to discourage interaction between
local teenage girls and older Arab Israeli men.
One of the young women who was with the group that allegedly killed
Karp while he was out with his family, was from Petah Tikva. Local
youth counselors say it is a phenomenon that puts the teenagers at
risk. "What happened at Tel Baruch [beach] wasn't a surprise," said
Nurit Tibi, the director of Petah Tikva's youth counseling center.
For the last year and a half, the municipality, in cooperation with
ELEM Youth In Distress In Israel and the Israel Anti-Drug Authority,
has been operating a street crew of youth-care professionals and
volunteers, in an effort to identify and assist teenagers at risk,
among them some who have fallen victim to exploitation by Arab men.
Tibi spoke about teenagers, sometimes girls as young as 11 or 12, who
come from dysfunctional homes and who are often outside of the school
system. These young women, mainly immigrants from the FSU who suffer
from identity problems, form relationships with young men who come to
the city at night to drink alcohol, do drugs and meet girls.
"The men offer them gifts, buy them clothes and take them out and
expect sexual favors in return. We see this as sexual exploitation,
not romantic relationships," said Tibi. Roughly 30 teenage girls, whom
the city knows about, are in this situation.
[CONT'D]
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> Largely segregated communities and separate education systems mean that
> there are few opportunities for young Arabs and Jews to become familiarised
> with each other. Even in the handful of "mixed cities", Arab residents are
> usually confined to separate neighbourhoods.
Neither Arabs nor Jews are "confined" anywhere.
>
> In addition, civil marriage is banned in Israel, meaning that in the small
> number of cases where Jews and Arabs want to wed, they can do so only by
> leaving the country for a ceremony abroad. The marriage is recognised on the
> couple's return.
There is no provision for civil marriage in Israel, bt's opposed by
the religious communities, Muslim and Christian as well as Orthodox
Jewish, but it isn't banned. Were it otherwise, civil marriage would
not be recognized, period.
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_Israel
Marriages in Israel are performed under the auspices of the religious
authority of the religious community to which couples belong. The
system is based on the Millet or confessional community system
inherited from the times of the Ottoman Empire and not substantially
modified during the British Mandate period nor since the establishment
of the State of Israel. The system is also in use by several Muslim
countries of the Middle East and beyond.
The religious authority for Jewish marriages is the Chief Rabbinate of
Israel and there are parallel authorities for Christians, Muslims and
Druze communities. Each authority regulates marriages and divorces for
their own community. There is no provision for inter-faith marriages.
One of the functions of the Israeli Interior Ministry is the
registration of marriages. It has no role in the recognition or
validation of marriages, provided appropriate proof of marriage is
produced.
Israel makes no provision for civil marriages to be entered into in
Israel. However, civilian marriages entered into abroad are
recognised. The issue of civil marriages is a major issue for secular
Jews, as well as members of non-Orthodox streams of Judaism, who are
required to meet the Orthodox standards to be capable of marrying in
Israel.
> Dr Yuval Yonay, a sociologist at Haifa University, said the number of
> interracial marriages was "too small to be studied".
"Interracial"? Yuval Yonay writes: "I teach sociology at the
University of Haifa. I am interested in using sociology as a
liberating tool to enhance human happiness and freedom. I am an
actvist -- when time permits -- in the GLBT movement in israel and in
the protection of Palestinians inside Israel and in the occupied
territories. My main research topics include economic ideology and
policy, inequality in Israel, feminist and queer theory."
> The team in Petah Tikva, a Jewish city of 200,000 residents, was created in
> direct response to news that two Jewish girls, aged 17 and 19, were
> accompanying a group of young Arab men when they allegedly beat a Jewish
> man, Leonard Karp, to death last month on a Tel Aviv beach. The older girl
> was from Petah Tikva.
The younger girl is from Petah Tikva, the older from Kfar Saba. The
younger will be tried as a juvenile, as will the underage Arab boys;
the older girl, a soldier, will be tried by a military court,
essentially for standing by and doing nothing while a 59-year-old man
was beaten to death for defending his wife and daughter against the
attack of the gang, who were drunk. There was an earlier encounter
with an Arab witness, who stated they threatened to stab him if he
called police. Trial began Tuesday, 15th September.
> In sentiments widely shared, Hezi Hakak, a spokesman for Petah Tikva
> municipality, said "Russian girls", young Jewish women whose parents arrived
> in Israel over the past two decades, since the former Soviet Union
> collapsed, were particularly vulnerable to the attention of Arab men.
Cook wants to turn the whole thing into a matter of Jews vs. Arabs.
Would that have been his view if the Israeli men had been Jews or
Christians, rather than Muslims? Probably not. The men were looking
for available pussy, as men will, and they found two Jewish girls
willing to offer theirs for the evening.
> Petah Tikva's hostility to Arab men mixing with local Jewish women is shared
> by other communities.
>
> In Pisgat Zeev, a settlement of 40,000 Jews, some 35 Jewish men are reported
> to belong to a patrol known as "Fire for Judaism" that tries to stop
> interracial dating.
> Unusually for a settlement, Pisgat Zeev
Pisgat Ze'ev is a Jerusalem neighborhood, but to such as Jonathan
Cook, every Jewish neighborhood is a "settlement". That must make Arab
residents "settlers", too.
'Protecting' Jewish girls from Arabs
Sep. 18, 2009
Abe Selig , THE JERUSALEM POST
Every night, dozens of young men in Jerusalem's Pisgat Ze'ev
neighborhood take to the streets and go out searching for girls.
But theirs is not a promiscuous search. In fact, the group of some 35
volunteers is looking to prevent such interaction and to stop what
neighborhood residents have overwhelmingly complained is a growing
problem in Pisgat Ze'ev - Arab men going out with Jewish girls.
What was once a rare occurrence, residents say, has become the norm in
this north Jerusalem suburb, which shares a side of the security
barrier with the Palestinian village of Anata and the scattered
dwellings on the edge of Shuafat refugee camp.
Residents now say that, due to Pisgat Ze'ev's location and
increasingly mixed Arab-Jewish population, the phenomenon of mixed
dating has grown, with violent outbursts breaking out frequently
between Arab and Jewish youth over the matter, and with growing
communal anger over what many here feel is simply unacceptable.
"A rare occurrence?" a shopkeeper in the local mall asked sardonically
this week when asked about the situation. "My friend, it's not rare at
all, this has become the reality. Pisgat Ze'ev has turned into one
gigantic whorehouse, please excuse the expression."
"[The young Arab men] come here to the mall and we see it all the
time, they take the girls to the bathroom, they laugh with each other
about it. And as if that wasn't worse, one of them opened up an actual
whorehouse just up the street. There are Jewish girls in there! It's
nothing short of a disgrace!"
Enter Eish L'Yahadut (Fire for Judaism), a volunteer group made up of
both religious and secular Pisgat Ze'ev residents, who walk the
streets at night looking for local girls out with Arab men.
"We're not aggressive, and we don't use violence," said Moshe, a 31-
year-old member of the group who spoke to The Jerusalem Post on
Thursday.
"Our goal is to be in contact with these girls and try to explain to
them the dangers of what they're getting themselves into. In the last
10 years, 60 girls from Pisgat Ze'ev have gone into the [West Bank
Arab] villages," he said. "And most of them aren't heard from after
that."
Moshe said that his group also maintains contact with the Arab men as
well, in an effort to convince them that pursuing such relationships
is not in their best interest. "One of the girls we're in contact
with, her father is a commander with the Jerusalem Police," Moshe
said. "Once the guy she was with heard about that, things changed."
While some girls are receptive to the group's efforts, others are not.
"But we keep trying," Moshe said. "These are girls who usually don't
know any better, who come from troubled homes, and they're swept up by
the guy's charm or nice clothes. We try to show them that these aren't
the most important things, and we have women who speak to them as
well."
According to Moshe, the group is currently in contact with 17 girls,
the majority of whom are in high school. The group has encountered
physical confrontations, but, Moshe said, iits work is done within the
full confines of the law, and the Arab men they approach are often
receptive as well.
However, Arab residents of the neighborhood told the Post that the
group has been a problem. "They come out all the time and hassle us,"
said Imad, who works in the Pisgat Ze'ev mall. "I was out with this
girl the other night, and they came up and started talking to us. I
don't like it, you know? What do they care who I'm with?"
But for Moshe and his group, the importance of their job lies with the
girls they say they are protecting. "Sometimes these guys are abusive
to the girls," Moshe said. "While that usually starts after they're
married, there was an incident recently where one of these guys was
beating the girl up in the middle of the street. We got involved, and
she left him, but it's a shame that it has to come to that."
Another major issue for the group are the brothels that have sprung up
in the neighborhood. In addition to their nightly "patrols," the group
stages protests outside the houses of ill repute in an effort to
pressure the owners to shut them down.
"Our mission is not against Arabs," Moshe said. "But it is for the
protection of Jewish women, wherever they may be. And with regards to
the brothels, the police don't interfere, because they're run by crime
families. But if enough residents stand up against them, I believe
they will be shut down."
In that vein, Eish L'Yahadut is planning a rally next Thursday in
front of the mall, to protest the brothels and what it calls "police
inaction" over the matter.
"We want to get the neighborhood involved," Moshe said. "Because it's
our neighborhood, and if we don't stand up for it, no one will."
http://www.jpost.com /servlet/Satellite?
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[snip Cook's facile, racist spin on a much deeper problem]
9 suspects charged in Karp murder
Aug. 27, 2009
Dan Izenberg , THE JERUSALEM POST
The state on Thursday filed indictments in Tel Aviv District Court and
Tel Aviv Magistrate's Court against six residents of Jaljulya and a
female soldier for their alleged roles in the killing of Arik Karp in
the early morning of August 15.
Three of the suspects, Jamil and Abed Ades and a 17-year-old minor
identified as R.A., were charged with Karp's murder in Tel Aviv
District Court. The others - Fadi Jaber, Fuad Musa, Mahmud Ades and Or
Levy, the soldier - were charged with failure to prevent a crime and
violation of the obligation to come to the aid of someone in danger.
According to the indictments, the men from Jaljulya, along with the
IDF soldier and a female minor, A.K., met up at Tel Baruch beach at 11
p.m. on Friday evening, August 14. They sat on the beach and began
drinking alcohol.
Karp, together with his wife, Sarah and his daughter, Anataliya,
arrived at the beach at about the same time and sat down on a bench.
The minor, R.A., left the group and walked off alone. He ran into the
Karp family and started baiting them by asking the father to fix him
up with one of the women. The family started to move away, but R.A.
called and asked Jamil and Abed Ades to come quickly.
They arrived almost immediately: one grabbed Sarah Karp and threw her
down on the sidewalk while the other seized Anataliya.
Both women managed to run away and the assailants turned their
attention to Karp, "attacking him together by kicking and beating him
severely all over his body. They rained down a series of hard punches
on his face, head and upper body and forcefully kicked him in his head
and ribs. Even after Karp was lying on the ground, they continued to
attack him and did not heed his pleas to stop."
According to the indictment, at one point Karp managed to get up and
start running, but his assailants caught up with him and continued to
punch and kick him.
Throughout this time, prosecutor Menahem Mizrahi continued, the other
four suspects stood aside and watched without lifting a finger to
help. At one point, A.K. yelled at the attackers to stop, but no one
listened to her and Jamil Ades punched her twice in the face.
The assailants only stopped beating Karp when they heard other people
rushing over to help. The gang got into their cars and drove away,
stopped for more liquor and headed for the Horshim Woods, where they
drank, listened to music and danced.
The indictment does not determine when Karp died, although it declares
that the cause of death was the blows he received. The state wrote
that the gang fled when they heard voices approaching and that several
hours later, at 6:15 a.m. August 15, Karp was pulled out of the water,
"after his body got there in circumstances unknown to the
prosecution."
According to the indictment, the blows caused fatal injuries,
including a fracture of the lower skull, severe head wounds and
bleeding in the brain.
In addition to the murder charge, R.A. and Jamil and Abed Ades were
charged with causing severe injury in aggravated circumstances and
assault in aggravated circumstances.
Defense lawyer Asher Chen said the state could not prove that the
defendants had killed Karp because it could not explain what happened
to him after they ran off or how his body ended up in the water.
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There will be no Protest For Leonard Karp
Seth J. Frantzman
August 17, 2009
There will be no protest for Leonard Karp. We don’t know much about
this simple man. A resident of Petah Tikva in Israel at one time he
moved from Petah Tikva to Ramat Aviv, north of Tel Aviv, when their
two daughters decided to attend Tel Aviv University. We don’t know
much about this man because he wasn’t a member of some special
minority group. He wasn’t a homosexual. He wasn’t lynched in the
American South. He was just a 59 year old Jewish man who decided to
take his daughter and wife for a walk on the beach in Tel Aviv. And
for that Liberalism murdered him.
There will be no protest for Leonard Karp. The life of Leonard Karp
does not matter. It is a life that was not worth living. Leonard Karp
was not a man in our eyes, in the eyes of the secular society from
which he came. He was merely the end result of what Gideon Levy tells
us is what happened when “Arabs from Jaljuliya, raise their heads and
voice in social frustration.” Leonard Karp was thus what happens when
social frustration takes place. His death, at the hands of 8 Arab men
and two Jewish women, is due to social frustration.
There will be no protest for Leonard Karp. There was just a funeral of
a few hundred people. His daughters said much about “peace.” They said
“We wish that those who do good will receive good in return and that
those who do bad will realize that they were wrong, repent and pay the
price." Leonard Karp, this is our way, the secular society’s way, of
saying goodbye. We don’t mention how you died. How your daughter was
accosted by a gang of young men and their prostitute girlfriends. We
don’t mention that you defended your daughter, Hila’s, honour. We
don’t mention that they beat you, like an animal. We don’t mention
that they chased your wife and beat her. We don’t mention that it took
8 men, 8 men at the height of their strength in their twenties to beat
you, a 59 year old man, to death. We don’t mention how they took you
to the water’s edge, to the pier, and they beat you and drowned you
and threw you like garbage into the sea. We don’t mention that after
they went back to a forest near Rosh Ha’Ayin and drank alchohol with
their prostitutes who helped them and they felt no remorse. We don’t
say anything like this. Because this is the West. This is the height
of the progressive civilization. This is what we call modernity. We
call it that because, Mr. Karp, we have no humanity.
There will be no protest for Leonard Karp. There was no protest for
Caeser either when his friends stabbed him to death. Why should you
expect any? When gays are shot down or African-Americans or when Arab
refugees are removed from churches they occupy in Denmark, then there
are protests. But Mr. Karp your skin is not black, your name is not
Mohammed and you don’t have a rainbow bracelet. Oh, Mr. Karp, if only
you had been a gay, if only you had converted to Islam, if only you
had been a Muslim. Then they would have loved you. We would have loved
you. Our society. Our culture. Our modern world. Then we would have
had a great fanfare at your death. We would have remembered you like
we do Rodney King or Matthew Shephard. But Karp you knew you were
nothing when you got up in the morning. You meant nothing to this
world, so when they beat you, treated you like garbage you should have
expected it. Modern society long ago labeled you not worthy of living
because long ago those who practice in our best institutions, our best
intellectuals, our best and the brightest, they long ago said that you
were not worth allowing to live because your life can be snapped away
because of “social frustration.”
There will be no protest for Leonard Karp. Did you think your brother
Ya’acov would call for revenge, or your daughters scream in the shrill
screams that the Arabs have for their fallen dead? Did you think that
you should have met your fate in a leftist liberal city where no one
comes to the aid of another man the way they used to? The ancient law
said that if a woman cries out during a rape and no one comes to her
aid it is as if she did not cry out because the judges could not
understand how, in a city, a woman might cry out and no one would help
her. Such was the honour of the towns that when a women was assaulted
the men would come to save her. But such is the dishonour we have long
known in our settlements that a woman can be raped for half an hour in
New York since the 1960s and not one will come. Such is the shame of
the entire nation and yet every member of the nation no doubt thinks
themselves innocent. But when one does not aid in the distress of the
rape victim, is one not collaborating with the rapist? When one does
not prevent their daughters from going out with murderers and gangs of
young men who murder and harass women, is that father and mother not
collaborating in the murder? When one does not fight to preserve the
honour of their own daughters but allows them to go out with men who
rape and abuse them, is that person not liable for the subsequent
actions of their daughter and her friends?
There will be no protest for Leonard Karp. But all up and down the
line society failed you Mr. Karp. It began with the Arabs in their
village who society taught to be racist and sexually harass women. It
was helped on its way by the Jewish prostitutes of Petah Tikva whose
parents did not care for their honour. It was aided by a city of
secular people who cared not about eachother. It was then allowed to
continue, after your death, by your own family who did not gird their
loins for revenge. And the final nail in your coffin was placed their
by intellectuals who excused your death as part of “social
frustration.” But Mr. Karp your death does not goo forgotten. There is
within a few of us a morsel of decency who understands that you had a
right to live. You had an inalieble right, a natural right. It was
racism and hate and rapacious evil that took your life away. Only
revenge, revenge against immorality and against the villages from
whence your attackers came, can cleanse the stain of your death from
the land. Alas those few who understand cannot take revenge, for it
was the duty of your family to have that revenge. But we understand
that it was the liberal secular society that murdered you, as much as
the savage Islamist society murdered you. One held the knife and the
other plunged it in. One excused the other, one enabled the other. Mr.
Karp, we will protest for you, in our hearts, if not in the streets.
We believe that from the failure that is the secular Western world,
the greatest failure that the world ever produced, the greatest
promise and the greatest let down, that through its failure will come
a better world. A world in which Mr. Karp might have died peacefully
in his bed.
http://journalterraincognita.blogspot.com/2009/08/terra-incognita-96-leonard-karp.html
Deborah
EverOnlyNice
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Re: Israeli drive to prevent Jewish girls dating Arabs. The solution
is so very quite simple, 'Deborah' - ALL israeli jews MUST be
euthanized, if they continue their sins, and any non-israeli jews who
follow the israeli jews in their sinful hatred of ALL peaceful, nice
arabs MUST ALSO be EUTHANIZED!
Don Bailey
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> Israeli drive to prevent Jewish girls dating Arabs
> Jonathan Cook
> The National
> September 25. 2009
> NAZARETH // A local authority in Israel has announced that it is
> establishing a special team of youth counsellors and psychologists whose
> job
> it will be to identify young Jewish women who are dating Arab men and
> "rescue" them.
> The move by the municipality of Petah Tikva, a city close to Tel Aviv, is
> the latest in a series of separate - and little discussed - initiatives
> from
> official bodies, rabbis, private organisations and groups of Israeli
> residents to try to prevent interracial dating and marriage.
>
[snipped]
Deborah
Another paste-job, Deb.
NefeshBarYochai
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Don how would you like someone to knock the living fuck out of you?
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I'm shaking...
Al Smith
Hey, the guy's a Zionist. I'm sure he'd be perfectly willing to
sneak around in dark allies with his face concealed until he found
someone willing to injure you for money ... as long as it didn't
cost him too much.
-Al-
Don Bailey
"Al Smith" <inv...@address.com> wrote in message
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He's harmless...
BTW: You know that YOU, me, and Yitzhak McSchwartz got honorable mention
over on one of the Admin-groups. Some idiot going by the nym "the peeler" is
trying to do harm to you, and me, and Yitzhak. I believe it was instrumental
in getting me bumped from the "cheese-net" (eternal-september) temporarily.
I had to dredge up an old reserve user-name and a password (kept in backup)
to get back. This time I'm being very careful about things. I was tossed on
a technicality (hiding my real e-mail address). The admin/owner doesn't
really care but this "the peeler" character awakened old paranoias regarding
German law and such. Ray Banana the moderator, got frustrated with him, but
is now clearing all posts that may seem connected to anti-Semitism. He's
afraid the German police will come in and shut him down as a hub of
anti-Semitism.
Of course this will play well with the Zio-Loons here, but I don't care. I
live in country where we are free to speak our minds, have free will and
free expression, and we have protection from perceived "illegal" acts, and
the right to call political lies what they are. Of course Ray Banana has to
protect himself and his hobby/investment - Germany is not as adept as the US
in seeing perception defers from reality. I don't envy him. Anyway, I signed
on with a half-a-dozen different anonymous servers and spread my posts
around from them, to keep from getting bumped again in a fearful act by some
well intended admin.
The Zio-Loons can't stand truth and they go to all kinds of measure to
attempt its dissemination. The good thing is Google is too big to be
intimidated and doesn't give a fat hoot who says what, so we can all fall
back on it if the need requires. I just like the ease of posting from
smaller newsgroup servers. Be careful of what you're saying. make sure you
have an exit strategy.
See: 'alt.free.newsservers' for more details.
Don Bailey
"Don Bailey" <jas...@aim.com> wrote in message
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I meant to say "avoid its dissemination..." Sorry... typing/thinking a bit
too quickly.
Al Smith
You are speaking out about things the Zionists don't want talked
about. It has nothing to do with them being offended by the comments
-- they know themselves that most of what you say is true -- it is
all about control. They are intent on silencing any voices that
point out their crimes, especially any articulate voices.
They don't mind the ranting fanatics. Indeed, I suspect that most of
the ranting bigotry posts are posted by Zionists themselves, in an
effort to generally discredit the groups as forums of discussion,
and to inhibit discussion of the crimes of Israel.
What they want to silence is any thoughtful criticism of Israel's
obvious, blatant war crimes and crimes against humanity. Let's face
it, in order to be a Zionist a person needs to say good-bye to their
last shred of self-respect, honor or human decency, so it is no
wonder that they employ the sneaking, underhanded tactics they use
to silence discussion and criticism.
-Al-
Docky Wocky
Don Bailey
I wrote about this matter to the eternal-september admin, by way of my
original account.
I think "the peeler" may be "Endeavor" who we are more familiar with here on
the Jewish/Israeli related soc. groups. He likes being a pain in the ass,
and he fills the bill that you talk about, using underhanded ways to gain
control of a situation to his advantage.
And yes, the truth does not fathom any of his or other Zio-loon's thinking
when it comes to negating it in favor of their political pro-Israel
prevarication's and lies. The key is the continuation of Israel's atrocities
and violations of human rights, etc., etc.
tdny
"al92653" <al9...@xyz.com> wrote in message
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I don't blame the Jews for that.
The Arabs don't like their kids to marry outside their ethnic background
either.
People want to stick to their own kind and that is fine.
tdny
"Jeffrey Krantz" <dr...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Orthodox Jews can be just as unforgiving, cruel towards their woman as the
Arabs, and you know it.
Jeffrey Krantz
>
>
> Orthodox Jews can be just as unforgiving, cruel towards their woman as the
> Arabs, and you know it.
As a matter of fact I DO NOT know it. It happens as an aberation and not as
a culteral phenomena like the mooslems.
tdny
"Jeffrey Krantz" <dr...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Oh will you stop pretending to be ignorant.
Ultra orthodox Jews, looking at women as breeding cows, good for nothing but
giving birth,
to as many kids as possible.
They dictate how a women should dress, what she should eat, how she should
behave.
I'm sure you know this.
They attack women who do not conform to their way of looking at life.
They take the kids away from a mother that leaves their ultra orthodox
Jewish way of life,
even if she is a perfectly good mom.
They force women to ride on the back of the bus.
A women cannot be a Rabbi, according to the Haredim, that is discrimination
based on gender.
Ultraorthodox Jews and Arabs have the same mentality, when it comes to the
treatment of women.
NefeshBarYochai
> "Al Smith" <inva...@address.com> wrote in message
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> > On 9/27/2009 2:32 PM, Don Bailey wrote:
> >>news:h9o64k$gjl$3...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>> On 9/27/2009 12:33 PM, Don Bailey wrote:
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How would you like it if someone were to just knock the living shit
out of you, you fucking bottom-feeding goy?
Al Smith
You mean those nice gentlemen in Jerusalem who beat up women that
refuse to ride on the back of the bus aren't being unforgiving?
Because their behavior is so much more enlightened than forcing a
woman to wear a veil, isn't it?
-Al-
Al Smith
>
>> Both Kiryat Gat and Safed's campaigns were supported by a religious
>> organisation called Yad L'achim, which runs an anti-assimilation team
>> publicly dedicated to "saving" Jewish women.
>>
>>
>>
>> According to its website, the organisation receives more than 100
>> calls a month about Jewish women living with Arab men, both in Israel
>> and the West Bank. It launches "military-like rescues [of the women]
>> from hostile Arab villages" in co-ordination with the police and army.
>>
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>>
>> "The Jewish soul is a precious, all-too-rare resource, and we are not
>> prepared to give up on even a single one," says the website.
>
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> I don't blame the Jews for that.
>
> The Arabs don't like their kids to marry outside their ethnic background
> either.
>
> People want to stick to their own kind and that is fine.
>
Turn it around. Imagine an organization of concerned white men in
the American South, who undertook "rescues" of white women who chose
of their own free will to live with black men. Imagine if their
justification was that the soul of a single white woman is too
precious a resource to lose.
Now imagine what the liberal Jewish activists in America would say
about such an organization. Imagine the attitude of the Civil
Liberties Union, which is essentially a Jewish organization, towards
such goyum behavior.
Racism and bigotry doesn't become something praiseworthy just
because Zionists do it.
-Al-
tdny
"Al Smith" <inv...@address.com> wrote in message
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I don't see opposition to an interracial marriage as racism or bigotry.
Al Smith
Well, a lot of people do. They believe that if a woman wants to be
with a particular man, it is her own business what color or religion
that man happens to be. In the 1960s we had liberal Jews, no doubt
many of whom were Zionists, championing that very right of free
choice all across America during the Civil Rights Movement. Now what
do we see in Israel? Maybe some of those very same Jews, or their
children, are intimidating Jewish women into leaving the men they
want to be with, merely because those men are not Jewish. That's
what I call hypocrisy.
-Al-
American Eagle
A better question is, would you want your daughter/son to marry a Jew?
It is *NOT* a Jewish state and never has been. The UN was blackjacked
into releasing that land from the Mandate for use by 1.2 million
indigenous Arabs etc. and 600,000 displaced European Jews. The first son
of a bitching Jew that wants Jewish purity in that land should be shot
dead. It is the Jews that have created massive race riots in America and
it is the fucking Jews that have financed ridiculous lawsuits involving
race and removing any signs of Christianity from American life. So
Jeffrey.. Go fuck yourself and sin no more.
>
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American Eagle
Just thank your lucky stars that you are not married to some screeching
Jewish Harridan.
>
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Majd al-Din
Well Don. you certainly don't have to worry about a drugged up little
coward like Yochai-dick-sucker doing it.
Majd al-Din
Naw.. If Yochai is sneaking around back alleys, he is looking to suck
dicks on drunks that can't fight him off.
Alexander
Fuck-em, if they can't take it. They hand it out.
American Eagle
Also it really pisses them off that the net is a media they cannot
control. You have noticed that the Zionist congressman and Senators in
America are the only ones pushing for control of net content?
Majd al-Din
Poor Yochai. Ain't even a real Jew. Runs home crying to Mamma when
someone disses him/it/whatever.
Al Smith
I regard it as inevitable that the Zionists will gain control over
most of the Internet. I don't want to see this happen, but they must
control the Internet if they are to control general news and
information in the Western world, and continue to pump out their
propaganda, as they have for so many decades. Since they are wealthy
and very determined, and have no scruples of any kind, they will
probably succeed in controlling the Internet before too many more years.
It will take such forms as the abolishing entirely of Usenet ... or
perhaps making all Usenet groups moderated. Usenet is a very open
forum, much more so than individual Internet Web sites that require
registration and are moderated. The Zionists must regard Usenet as a
threat, although it probably pleases them that Usenet use has been
declining. On the plus side from their point of view, all the posts
on Usenet are recorded and remembered, so in future years, Zionists
will be able to sift through records looking for anything they can
use against any individual they wish to injure or silence. They
might want to preserve a castrated Usenet just for this purpose.
-Al-
tdny
Gary Renzetti
that sometimes pops up here. I have reason to suspect a relationship
twixt the pair.
Gary Renzetti
writing style; as I suggested earlier, take a long look at the character
who styles himself "Harold Burton".
tdny
"Al Smith" <inv...@address.com> wrote in message
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Well, I agree with you somewhat, but not all the way.
Because, if it is just between the man and the women, that is fine.
Because they are the only ones to suffer the consequences, if any.
But when they have mixed raced kids, that look like a mix match,
then there is a problem.
Now the kids are paying for the decision, orginally made by the man and
woman.
The kids can become rejects on both sides.
And believe me, that is not a fun place to be.
Gary Renzetti
>
>
> "Jeffrey Krantz" <dr...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:epKvm.3602$tl3....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
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>> "al92653" <al9...@xyz.com> wrote in message
>> news:XDgvm.378$bP1...@newsfe24.iad...
>>> Israeli drive to prevent Jewish girls dating Arabs
>>
>> and what do you find wrong with that??? It is a JEWISH state, and if
>> they date arabs and marry arabs, the kids are no longer Jewish.
Jeffie says this as though he thinks that it's a BAD thing.
??????????????????????????????
>>
>> And given the Arab history of treating women, why would you want YOUR
>> daughter to marry an arab???
It wouldn't be *my* first choice, but since a daughter isn't property
if that's what *she* chose, then so be it.
Al Smith
Sure, it's tough to be a bi-racial child. But who has the right to
decide what sort of child is going to be born? The parents, or some
do-good socio-political organization? Traditionally, it has always
been the parents who get to choose who they have sex with, and who
they make babies with. If a Jewish woman and an Arab man decided to
have a child, that's their choice, not the choice of some social
group whose members don't like the idea.
-Al-
American Eagle
I don't think they are going to be in any shape to do much of anything
after the events they trigger in the near future. Those people are very
suicide prone. The last major event was suicide by Nazi. Don't ever
think that the Free American is going to allow his freedom to be
destroyed and not bury all that are guilty. Matter of fact this upcoming
election may be a real surprise. The trashing of the peaceful protests
in Philadelphia have left a very bad taste in the mouth of the average
American. I wouldn't be surprised if the next time it happens there will
be armed patriots to take our streets back. Homeland Security is all
ready loaded with American patriots that don't agree with its
unconstitutional policies. The Military is damned fed up with the
bullshit. Congress is toady to foreign interests and needs to be tried
and hung en masse. Why are we demanding that Iran who has not yet
developed Nuclear weapons be punished and Israel who stole our
technology and the raw materials from Oak Ridge during the Kennedy
administration walks free. Something stinks to the high heavens in our
present government. Vote every incumbent out and start anew. Or we will
end up as a banna Republic with warlord Generals taking over. You did
notice the Jew media totally ignored the mass Tea party protest in DC.
Here is a news flash for you. This months Social Security checks are all
borrowed money from China and will be for at least the next two years.
The kiddies in Washington blew every bit of incoming SS taxes long
before they even got there, on military adventures and to Hell with
aging Americans that have paid for this their whole working lives.
The next two years are going to see some very angry citizens taking aim
at our so-called leaders.
>
> -Al-
Rance Stoddard
> Al Smith wrote:
> > On 9/28/2009 6:07 AM, American Eagle wrote:
> >> Al Smith wrote:
> >>> On 9/27/2009 2:32 PM, Don Bailey wrote:
> >>>>news:h9o64k$gjl$3...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>>>> On 9/27/2009 12:33 PM, Don Bailey wrote:
You make many true and honest observances. But you are ignorant of
the Jewish Way of Life and it shows in your hatred of Jews in
general. You’re lumping us all together as something evil in your
weak opinion. To bad, you don’t have the balls to call an observant
orthodox Rabbi and ask to join his congregation for a weekend of
Jewish prayer. You’d never do that though because you’re too stupid
as a coward to know right from wrong and good from evil like most
criminals.
Al Smith
Well, we'll see what happens. I'd say some kind of revolution is
due in America. One that throws out all the presently-elected
members of the House and the Senate.
We gave the Democrats a chance to fix some of Bush's mistakes, and
they didn't fix a damned thing. In fact, the Democrats have done
nothing except waste money. Bush committed crimes, he violated the
Constitution left and right, and nobody in his administration -- and
I mean nobody -- has paid the slightest price for it yet. Pelosi is
the most gutless, useless, dickless wonder I've ever seen in office!
She refuses to do anything that might take a little backbone.
Obama is just as bad. When he was campaigning, he said he was going
to abolish Gitmo during his first week in office. Well, comes the
time he is sworn in and enters the White House, and what does he
say? Now he says he's going to close Gitmo down in one year. Fine.
He said he was going to do it immediately, but we can wait a year.
So a year is nearly passed, and now his minions are making noises
that Gitmo may have to stay open longer than the time it was
supposed to have been closed. Surprise, surprise. And this is just
one thing, one broken campaign promise, among dozens and dozens.
The politicians aren't running things any more. It is the Zionists,
hand in glove with the vested interests which they largely control
-- the drug industry, the military weapons industry, the insurance
industry, the banking industry. Not only can the politicians not do
anything useful any longer, but they are terrified of even admitting
their impotence, for fear of being blackballed by the Zionists and
losing office. They won't admit that they are nothing but fucking
serfs, fulfilling the commands of their masters.
So we get situations where the police brutalize anyone they choose
to target, and nothing happens to them. Security 'tards in airports
and at border crossings steal possessions and humiliate and detain
honest travelers, and if they say anything about it, they get the
taser, and nothing ever happens to the people who commit the
offenses. Meanwhile we've got people pouring over the border from
Mexico and they are never stopped, or even slowed. All the honest
white Americans get strip searched and cavity searched at airports,
and illegal Mexicans scream across the border with their drugs and
nobody with the government ever molests them. Something is fucked up.
Americans need to take back control over their politicians. This
will require the abolishing of PACs, the whole system of political
action committees and lobbying organizations. It will require
radically limiting the amount of money that can be given to
politicians, and limiting the duration of the elections -- they are
too fucking long, the US is in a condition of permanent election
season. It will requires that the media be returned to the control
of the American people -- and taken out of the control of the
Zionists, who are using it to corrupt the minds of Americans. It
will require that all aid to Israel be cut off, and all arms
shipments to Israel stopped -- let those evil fuckers twist in the wind.
I hope you are correct, and that a revolution is coming. America
needs it.
-Al-
Al Smith
>
> You make many true and honest observances. But you are ignorant of
> the Jewish Way of Life and it shows in your hatred of Jews in
> general. You�re lumping us all together as something evil in your
> weak opinion. To bad, you don�t have the balls to call an observant
> orthodox Rabbi and ask to join his congregation for a weekend of
> Jewish prayer. You�d never do that though because you�re too stupid
> as a coward to know right from wrong and good from evil like most
> criminals.
>
All Jews should not be lumped together, I agree. There are many Jews
in the United States and Europe who believe that Israel should not
exist. They are anti-Zionist. They are sincere, devout people who
reject a philosophy of violence and agression. They are not the
problem for America, or for anyone else. The live in the United
States and they think of themselves as Americans, not as Israelis.
It is a tragedy when these good people are persecuted because of the
crimes and outrages committed by Zionists.
-Al-
Jeffrey Krantz
"tdny" <td...@live.com> wrote in message
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without fear for your life except for the crazies, and frankly, fewer than
1% of all jews go by it. But not having mooslems intermarry with jews, is
no different than not having any gentile marry with jews. Part of the
religion.
And by the way, they cannot take a child away from a mom because she does
not want the orthodox way of life. Not in a civilized country like Israel
or America.
But try to get a child back from a moooslem father in a mooooooooslem
country??? another story.
American Eagle
> weak opinion. To bad, you don�t have the balls to call an observant
> orthodox Rabbi and ask to join his congregation for a weekend of
> as a coward to know right from wrong and good from evil like most
> criminals.
You have again proven yourself a fool and an idiot. America has been
very kind and generous with the Jews and yet it is the Jews that have sold
us out time and again. Trusting the Jews is akin to letting a Boa
Constrictor
sleep with your baby. Why should I waste my time with a Rabbi that is as
brainwashed as you? As for cowardice.. I have faced the best Israel has in
Lebanon and I walked away. They didn't. They were Jews out to kill
American Marines. If our President had done the right thing, we would
have cleansed Israel at that time. I do know evil! I have seen it in the
Semites, Architects of Bolshevism, Communism and attractor of horrible wars.
No.. I think it is the Jews who must do some deep soul searching and
find a way to make attonement and reparations form the terrible crimes
they have committed for centuries against their fellow nonsemite human
neighbors. It is not hatred concerning Jews, it is just good common
sense. You Jews have a hard earned nasty reputation in the world.
>
DoD
"American Eagle" <A...@USA.com> wrote in message
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> Rance Stoddard wrote:
As for cowardice.. I have faced the best Israel has in
> Lebanon and I walked away. They didn't.
LOL!!!!! Donna never gets tired of talking shit on usenet.... I guess some
old fat bastards need to act tough on usenet to get them through the day...
What a sad sack of shit Donna is....
American Eagle
Try and stay on topic you inbred fool. Obviously you are drugged and
boozed up again. As for your fantasies about your blowup girl friend..
No one is interested.
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