Has anyone else run into these two major bugs, or is it just me?
First, the fast-forward function frequently doesn't fast forward; the
little bar graph pops up, but the program just sits there, frozen.
This happens at least once per show, I'd say. Using the skip back
button a few times usually fixes it.
Second, using fast forward sometimes causes the DVR to think it's
reached the end of the program, even though it's not even close.
Hitting "done", then "resume", then the skip forward a few times fixes
this.
When I called Dish tech support, the rep didn't know a new version was
out -- even though she'd noticed the new episode numbers on her own
receiver.
--
Ray
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The only problem I have noticed with the 625 is the few seconds of muted
sound during playback (doesn't matter the channel).
And curious, I see my 508 skipping a few seconds during playback,
between 1 and 3 times and hour. Though strangely, this seems to only
happen on my locals, or at least more often with the locals. The
receiver was fine with 304, the previous version I had until they forced
an upgrade (I did avoid the buggy in between releases of 308, 309, and 361).
I'm glad I'm not the only one experiencing that problem. My 522 was
replaced a few months back and it was a pain waiting for the new box to
be sent out and losing all the recordings that were on the old box.
> Hi Steve Jenkins,
>
> On Nov 04 2006, Steve Jenkins wrote:
>
>
>>And curious, I see my 508 skipping a few seconds during playback,
>>between 1 and 3 times and hour. Though strangely, this seems to only
>>happen on my locals, or at least more often with the locals. The
>>receiver was fine with 304, the previous version I had until they
>>forced an upgrade (I did avoid the buggy in between releases of 308,
>>309, and 361).
>
>
> Have you noticed any timers that you have set from the EPG not firing?
>
> Particularly when the unit has to power up to start the recording?
>
> I'm starting to see more timers not working and apparently I'm not the
> only one to have this problem. Last Friday two timers on the same
> channel, one after the other were set. Only the second one actually
> recorded.
>
> Some have suggested that it can almost be gotten around by leaving the
> receiver always powered on. The cause, as I understand it, has something
> to do with the glitch in the stream throwing the internal clock out of
> sync.
>
> I called DISH yesterday and spoke with a CSR. After several minutes
> explaining the situation to her, she finally admitted that this is a
> known problem and might be fixed in an upcoming firmware release.
>
>
>
John,
Suggestion, LEAVE THE RECEIVER POWERED UP. Believe it or not all Dish
receivers use almost the same number of watts whether ON or OFF, within
one or two watts.
You are NOT saving any power by "Powering your receiver down".
John
As a matter a fact, I have seen some timers not fire. Specifically last
Wednesday night, the NBC Nightly News (6:30), Jericho (8:00) and
Lost/The Nine (9:00, 2 hour timer). However, strangely, a timer set
later that night for Discovery Channel (Mythbusters for 2 hours at
1:00am) did fire. Fortunately I was able to watch the missed shows online.
I don't remember if the unit was powered down or up at the time. I was
always in the habit of powering down when I wasn't using it, but since
363, I haven't really bothered because of the DUD feature I thought it
didn't really power down anymore (based on what others reported from
308, 309 or 361). But recently I do notice the "Waiting for hard drive
to spin up" message, so I guess that function is still there.
It hasn't been missing timers since that night, but again I don't
remember if it was powered up or down. I will definitely monitor this
from now on. (Boy do I wish I still had 304.)
I am still wondering why this weather channel feature (one that as you
state has not even been implemented yet) required a forced upgrade to
begin with.
To me a required update would be for something that would prevent the
receiver from working at all. The weather channel feature does not
really qualify in my opinion.
I'm still convinced that it had more to do with DUD that anything else.
> A few days ago I noticed that my 522 had started displaying episode
> numbers and original air dates. Sure enough, the sytem info screen
> says the software version is now L411.
> Has anyone else run into these two major bugs, or is it just me?
> First, the fast-forward function frequently doesn't fast forward; the
> little bar graph pops up, but the program just sits there, frozen.
> This happens at least once per show, I'd say. Using the skip back
> button a few times usually fixes it.
I don't pay enough attention to have noticed the version number
changing. However, in the past several days we've noticed the exact
same problem with FF and RW. The appropriate display appears on screen,
but the image simply freezes.
We called Dish this morning and the woman my wife talked to tried to
debug our remotes. She couldn't seem to understand that the remotes
were working fine - the FF/RW bar displayed on screen, but the function
simply didn't work. Then she fell back to "We'll send you a new unit
and RMA your current one, but it will cost you $17 in S&H".
That's when I got annoyed and checked online. I found your post,
checked the DVR 522 version number (L411) and called them back.
They had me jump through some hoops (press power button on front panel
for five seconds to reboot unit, read off version and bootstrap numbers
from menu, etc). At this moment, it seems to be working fine. However,
the problem was intermittent to start with, so the two minutes of
testing I did while on the phone with Dish support is hardly
conclusive. In proactice it seemed to occur most when we'd been playing
normally for several minutes. Typically we FF through commercials.
We'll know better if it's fixed once we watch a full show this evening.
Meanwhile, they say they already shipped the replacement unit (in under
an hour? Sure.) and that we could avoid the S&H charges by simply
refusing the shipment. I'm happy to refuse it, but I guarantee that I
won't be paying the S&H charges for a bug they introduced, no matter
what.
Anyhow, thanks for your post - it let me know that this was a vendor
problem, not just a random failure.
>
> Second, using fast forward sometimes causes the DVR to think it's
> reached the end of the program, even though it's not even close.
> Hitting "done", then "resume", then the skip forward a few times fixes
> this.
Yep, I've got this problem, too!
If I hit the skip buttons too many times it starts the program all over
again. So I try to FF at 33x but it's not always moving at that speed, more
like 4x.
> Nah, I think that the reason there was a forced upgrade had little to do
> with The Weather Channel feature and more to do with DISH not wanting to
> take any chances that people were still using the buggy P309 (or the
> like) software. P309 cost them plenty replacing damaged receivers
> (whether actual or not) which resulted in lots of unhappy customers. The
> forced upgrade was damage control and ultimately an admission of a huge
> fiasco.
So what?
Corporate America behaves like that all the time.
> "Ray" <vortre...@yaxhoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Second, using fast forward sometimes causes the DVR to think it's
>> reached the end of the program, even though it's not even close.
>> Hitting "done", then "resume", then the skip forward a few times
>> fixes this.
>
> Yep, I've got this problem, too!
>
> If I hit the skip buttons too many times it starts the program all
> over again. So I try to FF at 33x but it's not always moving at
> that speed, more like 4x.
Is 33x something new? My 522 only has 4, 15, 60, and 300x; I almost
always use 15x. But since the change to L411, the FF seems slower and
jerkier than it did before. Also, the 10-second backup seems longer
than it was.
With 411, does it seem like 10 seconds or longer?
> I noticed that on our 625, which still has 363, that the 10 second
> backup is not 10 seconds, something shorter. It takes 4 or 5 to
> back what the 30 second skip ahead is going forward. Perhaps they
> were trying to fix it so that is was 10 seconds like it is suppose
> to be.
>
> With 411, does it seem like 10 seconds or longer?
I just did a quick test. The 30-second skip ahead is right around 30
seconds, as measured by the time remaining that shows up when you
pause. And three pushes of the skip back button take you back very
close to where you were before the skip ahead. So it looks like
they've actually made it ten seconds, unlike before. I never counted
how many skip backs equalled one skip ahead, but it was more than
three.
Now I just need to get used to pushing it fewer times.
>
> There's also a sound issue. A recent example was when I was watching a
> movie on Showtime. Since I connect my DISH receiver via TOSLINK cable, I
> can see all 6 Dolby Digital channels represented as active LEDs on the
> face of the Home Theater system. Everything is going along fine then all
> of a sudden for about a second all the LEDs go dark (no signal) and
> there is no sound. The hard drive records it that way because if I back
> it up it does the same thing in the same spot.
No, I haven't noticed this on the 508 (though I don't think I have it
connected using optical). I do notice this on our 625. I can hear the
A/V receiver click when this happens. The 508 had this problem a long
time ago and it was fixed at one point.
>
>>> The whole mess reeks. As I mentioned in the other branch in this
>>> thread, hopefully in 48 hours there will be a resolution.
>>>
>> Agreed, but I think I let others test the fix before letting mine
>> upgrade (unless of course they force it again). Beware, the saying
>> 'two steps forward, one step backward' comes to mind. They're fix it,
>> but who knows what else they will screw up.
>
> That too is my concern. Since I have to keep the receiver on so timers
> will fire, I won't know when there is a new update until it is reported
> by someone else. And that's just the type of incentive DISH needs to do
> another forced upgrade.
>
I'm just going to wait for others to report. The last forced upgrade
was at around 4:00 am (I have no timers that late).
That is what they told me about the audio drop outs and occasional video
artifacts. That was five months ago. I think it is best to assume that they
do not know how to fix it. I am not all to impressed with the DVR 522 piece
of equipement and it remains to be seen whether I stick with dish beyond my
contract date [for this very reason].
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
Key Fingerprint: D281 77A5 63EE 82C5 5E68 00E4 7868 0ADC 4EFB 39F0
As far as software development goes, it really is not historically been Dish's
forte, so I would not hold your breath for a fix.
I have the same problem on my DVR522 and it really pisses me off. They
claimed that they were aware of it and it would be fixed soon in a software
update. That was at the beginning of June. The incompetant slugs.
>
> That is what they told me about the audio drop outs and occasional video
> artifacts. That was five months ago. I think it is best to assume
that they
> do not know how to fix it. I am not all to impressed with the DVR 522
piece
> of equipement and it remains to be seen whether I stick with dish
beyond my
> contract date [for this very reason].
>
What annoys me is when the finally fix a bug, then bring it back in a
future release!
They had the audio dropouts/video artifacts problem fixed (at least on my
625) for several months before reintroducing them a few months ago.
--
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John Smith wrote:
> Can anyone confirm that their 508s are indeed now waking up for the
> timers after Wednesday?
Something has changed because for the very first time my 510 did not record
the timers I had set for last night. I had 3 timers set up as I usually do
and today there was nothing there. I never turn the DVR off and there was no
power outage as all the clocks were correct this morning. :(
>What annoys me is when the finally fix a bug, then bring it back in a
>future release!
>
>They had the audio dropouts/video artifacts problem fixed (at least on my
>625) for several months before reintroducing them a few months ago.
I am a new leaser of the 625 and have seen the audio dropout/skip
problem over the past week it has been operating. I have a 510 and a
deactivated 508 and experienced the non-firing timer problems with the
508 (not to mention having nearly all my recorded--including
protected-- shows erased) as well. A Dish CSR apologized for the
erased programs and indicated it was a software issue.
Don't these clowns test their software before pushing it to their
customers or are we being treated like Microsoft's customers-- beta
testers?
--Howie
Sure, if you want to. You have been properly warned.
John Smith wrote:
> Hi Betts,
> Sorry to hear that. It's been a couple of days, has anything changed?
Yes. The next evening I set 3 timers and they all functioned perfectly. I
have no idea what happened.
Howie--
Actually, they did test it--including making sure it would not work for
people who call them clowns!
Where to you get "of course" from? It seems rather obvious that they do not
implement a formal system testing proceedure to look for the scenarious that
the casual user finds without effort (i.e. audio drop outs).
The "of course" from Howie is more obvious than your "rather obvious"
assertion that they do not.
So please explain why you feel that DISH has no "formal system testing
procedure..."
Opinions do not count, just the facts, please as we already know what your
opinion of DISH is.
What proof do you have that DISH has no "formal system testing
procedure..."?
Audio drop outs are wide spread and widely reported. They should have the
issue addressed and it should be part of every system test prior to release of
a new software. They have reportedly fixed the problem just to reintroduce it
in a later release.
That is but one example.
> So please explain why you feel that DISH has no "formal system testing
> procedure..."
>
I just did.
> Opinions do not count, just the facts, please as we already know what your
> opinion of DISH is.
>
I gave one example. There are more out there [i.e. Video artifacts are also
an issue ... apparenlty related to the audio bug].
> What proof do you have that DISH has no "formal system testing
> procedure..."?
The proof that they aren't doing it correctly is the software they release.
See above.
Thomas, nothing you wrote above PROVES that DISH does not have a formal
system testing procedure.
They may very well have one (and probably do), but there are all sorts of
other possibilities for the problems you mention, e.g.
1. Their formal testing procedure may not be working well or may not be as
comprehensive as it needs to be.
2. All of the problems you mention may be related to specific installations
rather than defective software.
Note that I used the word MAY three times because I am not saying flatly
that it MUST be something else.
The point I am making is that you have jumped to a conclusion not based on
known facts for which you can offer proof.
Thus it can be expected that some of us will jump to the conclusion that
your bias is showing in your willingness make unsupported charges against
DISH.
What direct evidence do you have that DISH does not have a formal system
testing procedure?
There is one thing that is supposed to seperate human beings from all
other life forms on this planet and that is "the ability to learn from
our mistakes". That ability to learn from our mistakes also seperates
the REALLY successfull businesses from the pack.
During the 8.5 years I was a Dish customer Dish's promotion was second
to none while their ability to deliver what they advertised was sorely
lacking. Dish's QC both on the hardware level and the software level
made Packard Bell look like Hewlett-Packard.
Dish's testing is little better now that it was 8.5 years ago when the
5000 receivers were benevelently given the "black screen of death".
Where's the intenret access so prominently bragged about when the 721s
were released? Where's the NBR for the 5xx and 721 that was promised by
Charlie repeatedly on the chats for at least two years?
Dish's inadequate level of testing is obvious to anyone who's been a
Dish customer. I will agree with Little Sir Echo in that it is unfair
to accuse Dish of having no testing procedure. If Dish had no testing
procedures at all then the law of averages would have given Dish
customers more competent hardware and more successfull software
downloads.
Maybe Dish should stop testing altogether and just flip a coin ... at
least the customers odds of getting receivers and hardware that worked
might improve.
In Charlie's zeal to make more money than Rupert, Dish's customers are
the losers. I can't say that DirecTV is any better but after 8.5 years
with Dish they can't be worse, even Comcast can't be worse and that is
saying something.
In the end just vote with your wallet for whatever works best for you
but don't expect your choice to work best for anyone else and don't rag
them because it doesn't.
Oops Little Sir Echo, Echostar is down 2 points :-)
>> > On Nov 09 2006, Howie wrote:
>> >
>> >> Don't these clowns test their software before pushing it to their
>> >> customers or are we being treated like Microsoft's customers-- beta
>> >> testers?
>> >
>> > Of course they test their software. The question should be, what is a
>> > reasonable amount of time between discovery and fix.
>> >
>>
>> Where to you get "of course" from? It seems rather obvious that they do
>> not
>> implement a formal system testing proceedure to look for the scenarious
>> that
>> the casual user finds without effort (i.e. audio drop outs).
>>
>> Thomas T. Veldhouse
>
>The "of course" from Howie is more obvious than your "rather obvious"
>assertion that they do not.
>
The "of course" comment was actually made by John Smith.
--Howie
> Take it EZ Little Sir Echo, your Echostar stock is safe ...
I not only have no Echostar stock, I have no stocks/bonds at all.
> During the 8.5 years I was a Dish customer...
I've been a DISH customer almost that long.
> I will agree with Little Sir Echo in that it is unfair
> to accuse Dish of having no testing procedure.
That is the principal point I am trying to make.
I am NOT defending DISH--I am challenging the faulty reasoning so often used
by critics.
> In the end just vote with your wallet for whatever works best for you
> but don't expect your choice to work best for anyone else and don't rag
> them because it doesn't.
I agree, but following that policy would eliminate many of the posts in this
ng.
> Oops Little Sir Echo, Echostar is down 2 points :-)
It matters not to me unless it results in my having to choose between
DirecTV or Charter Cable which are the only other choices open to me.
Very annoying problems - I've seen all of the above. After a reboot not
solving the problem, I called Dish and they said a fix was expected in
the 2nd week of December.
CSR offered me a replacement receiver which I declined after she told me
that it would also have the same version of the software.
--
Himanshu
I am not going to PROVE it. I will let the substantial base of evidence speak
for itself.
What I am saying isn't specifically that they don't have a "formal testing
procedure", what I am saying is that they don't have a formal testing
procedure that works. They NEVER have.
I've been dealing with those same issues (fast forward/rewind, end of
program weirdness) for about a week now. I just looked again today and
I haven't seen it happen. My software revision (first time I thought
to look) is now L412. Don't know if it's fixed or not, or whether I
even had L411 when the problems where occuring.
I was *this* close to reinitializing and starting from scratch...I hope
I don't have to now.
Can anyone else verify that their version has been upped by one, and
whether you're still experiencing problems?
> I've been dealing with those same issues (fast forward/rewind, end
> of program weirdness) for about a week now. I just looked again
> today and I haven't seen it happen. My software revision (first
> time I thought to look) is now L412. Don't know if it's fixed or
> not, or whether I even had L411 when the problems where occuring.
>
> I was *this* close to reinitializing and starting from scratch...I
> hope I don't have to now.
>
> Can anyone else verify that their version has been upped by one,
> and whether you're still experiencing problems?
I now have L412, but I haven't used it yet to see if it still has the
problems. The problems were still around yesterday evening, but I
don't know when L412 was loaded.
--
Ray
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I watched three or four shows this evening with no problems. It seems
that L412 has fixed the problems introduced in L411.
>I watched three or four shows this evening with no problems. It seems
>that L412 has fixed the problems introduced in L411.
I had the same problems reported by the original poster on my 522 and
thought maybe my remote was failing or the hard drive was acting up.
I don't know what software version I had before, but I am now at L412 and
the symptoms seem to be better for me too. The original problems were
intermittent so it's hard to know for sure, but I'm keeping my fingers
crossed.
Anyway it's comforting to know that it was a software glitch and not a
hardware failure. Thanks.