cyber-movies
anne
no cheez pleez. well, maybe just a little.
james evans
anne wrote in message ...
>what are yooz guys ideas of some serious cyberpunk movies?
>no cheez pleez. well, maybe just a little.
>
Johnny Mnemonic (Could have been better but it has the CP framework down)
Deathwatch: German produced with Harvey Keitel sort of dreary but good
Hardware: (Atmosphere)
Unfortunately a truly dedicated CP movie has yet to arrive if you ask me and
be good. Perhaps "Matrix, Virus, 13th Floor" will change all this. So far
the cyberpunk movies have been cyberschlock. But I usually don't mind them.
Shoes1088
form or another
BLADERUNNER
johnny mnemonic
Terminator 1 and 2
the Alien series
Aeon Flux (not really a movie, but it is CP all the same)
(god im drawing a complete blank)
Mad Max
Ghost in the Shell
Akira
12 monkeys
Escape from New York and LA
ok, some of those are stretching it, but all of the,m pretty much capture the
essence of Cyberpunk. that dark gritty feel, normal guy overpowered and
repressed by his government or signifigant power. Most importantly, TECH. ok,
im done babbling
Mantikore
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james evans
anne wrote in message ...
>what are yooz guys ideas of some serious cyberpunk movies?
>no cheez pleez. well, maybe just a little.
>
New Rose Hotel: directed by Abel Ferrara w/ Christopher Walken, and William
Dafoe. Shown at Venice film fest and supposedly out now.
Zen Differential: Directed by Michael Mann in production as of Sept 5, 98'
according to IMDB with script by Gibson himself.
Neuromancer: Deal Struck to produce film with script by Gibson. Source Sci
Fi Channel on Sci Fi Wire you can also find out about it on
www.Cinescape.com searching on Neuromancer. British Director Chris
Cunningham will direct, cast to be announced. Looking for pre
millenium/millenium opening release.
The 13th Floor: Based on the novel Simulacron 3 from Centropolis
entertainment and Produced by Roland Emerich. W/ Vincent Donofrio, Gretchen
Mol and Dennis Haysbert. Josef Rusnak directs.
out in April 1999
A.I. : Directed by Stanley Kubrick, set to open 2001 (Ain't that a
coincidence) Story/script by Kubrick and Brian Aldiss
Alien Love Trilogy: Not cyberpunk but included as a nod to Philip K. Dick
who's short story "Imposter is included in the movie. Excellent short story
about a scientist working on a weapon to defend earth against alien invasion
when he is suspected of being an alien robot agent himself. Said alien robot
agents are walking imposters of their victims that have a megaweapon bomb
inside them that will explode upon the saying of a key word. Pretty good
short story and will probably be a interesting segment of this film.
Matrix: Already mentioned this one but think of the RPG Paranoia as the
underlying plot of this movie. W/ Keanu Reeves and Laurence Fishburne.
Software: Based on Rudy Rucker's novel. Director is Scott Billups with Larry
Walker as the scriptwriter. Currently in development with cast to be
announced.
and with the y2k being around the corner. Fims can only go to the future so
hopefully cool new stuff will come out. Hope this helps.
JonnyRotten
JonnyRotten
Andreas Somogyi
"james evans" <nano...@email.msn.com> wrote
on Thu, 7 Jan 1999 19:46:18 -0500
in <e5xljAqO#GA....@upnetnews02.moswest.msn.net>
>
> anne wrote in message ...
> >what are yooz guys ideas of some serious cyberpunk movies?
> >no cheez pleez. well, maybe just a little.
> >
> >BladeRunner (Visuals)
> Johnny Mnemonic (Could have been better but it has the CP framework down)
> Deathwatch: German produced with Harvey Keitel sort of dreary but good
> Hardware: (Atmosphere)
Tetsuo. And Gunhed (I've got it on VHS ;-).
Andreas Somogyi
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>
> what are yooz guys ideas of some serious cyberpunk movies?
> no cheez pleez. well, maybe just a little.
Handy hint: the "s" key on your keyboard is between the 'A' and the 'D'.
Try using it.
Knight
anime version of Neuromancer. Is this true?
Griz
Lets not forget Strange Days!! More of a proto-CP detective stroy, but
cool none the less,
One might put Hackers (Blech) into this catagory
How about Cyborg with JCVan Dam?? Haven't seen it but for a few
minuets... looks kinda like chese-punk...
The original Metropolis??
Welp, that's all I can come up with right now...
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james evans
character names of guitars: IE jean claudes character was Gibson
Rickenbacker.
Max Headroom the movie and tv series.
Aeon Flux is good.
Oh by the way. Any body still interested in Amerikan anime? Take a look at
Batman Beyond on Sunday on FOX (Check local listings for times) For those
that don't know. It takes place in a future Gotham where Bruce is too old to
continue as Batman. A new man is made into the Batman with futuristic and
possibly cyberpunk possibilites. Shots I've seen look pretty cool with a
very hip and CP looking Gotham City to boot. Check it out
Aurora Slyde
Pete Nalda
I have to throw in 3 more that while the stories themselves may not be
exactly cyberpunk the retro-futuristic themes could sure be somewhat. The
stories I think have a little too much fluff for cyberpunk.
Brazil
The Fith Element
Batman (Only the First One)
I still get somewhat a retro feel when I read Gibson, especially when
pertaining to music. I therefore think this could pop up in Architecture,
and design of tech stuff as well. Let's see if anyone out there agrees.
BTW: I recently saw a photo of some place in Europe of all these really
old buildings (apartments or houses maybe) and each one had a satilite
dish on top. Also in Blade Runner there is Retro as well, in the
clothing, and again to some degree in the Architecture. (The Company
Headquarters, looking quite like an old mayan pyramid).
desol
cyberpunk before Gibson coined the term.
Please email a response to Des...@hotmail.com
desol
desol
Shadowrun (SNES and Genesis)
wipE'out" and wipe'out" XL
Any others?
Grimjack
that filming was going on for Neuromance. It was going to be put out be
Cabana Boys produtions. Nothing was ever heard about it again as far as
I know.
so/no/tec
> > >what are yooz guys ideas of some serious cyberpunk movies?
> > >BladeRunner (Visuals)
> > Johnny Mnemonic (Could have been better but it has the CP framework down)
> > Deathwatch: German produced with Harvey Keitel sort of dreary but good
> > Hardware: (Atmosphere)
> Tetsuo. And Gunhed (I've got it on VHS ;-).
Kin-dza-dza (Russian lowbudget cyberpunk movie)
Clonedv8s
punk, but it was definately cyber. And aside from Will Smith's stupid ass
"eggplant" shit, it was bloody k-rad.
shows that hollywood can occasionally get something remotely right.
-Michael Real
disenfected and ready to please
james evans
1)Shadowrun: for Sega Genesis and Nintendo. The Sega one rocks over the
Nintendo.
2) Blade Runner for IBM PC
3) Syndicate and Syndicate Wars. Multi platform including PC the difinive
dystopia of cp vid games.
4) Tekwar: For the PC, based on the series by Shatner and sorta like doom.
5)Burn Cycle: For the PC and CD-I by phillips pretty advanced full motion
video for its time.
james evans
screenplay during production talks and such. He locked his literature to
keep it from getting fucked by the system and that put the whole production
in abeyance. The soundtrack produced by Devo was done before the movie even
shot so that got canned and purchased by Interplay for the computer game.
Now here in the late 90's the franchise on production is allowed to surface
again and this time it looks like we could get that movie. Chris Cunningham
a british video director has been approached to shoot it, as far as studio
and cast I am unsure but the script will be Gibson written. Check out sites
like Internet Movie Database and Cinescape to get more on the project.
Apparently the spat between the Cabana Brothers, who ever the hell they are
was that they wanted to change the script entirely and turn the cyberworld
into something glitzy and hi rez sorta like Vegas but with less grime and
cyberness. Concepts like cyberspace were less involved and mere
afterthoughts in the changes they wanted to make and with other problems, it
mounted into something that was going no where. Gibson and his team of
lawyers pulled the rights to the literature and screenplay and then the
studio backing fell through the floor. Eventually Gibson pulled the novel
off the shelves as the tendancy to make the made into movie novels started
to fuck with literature and Gibson would have none of that. The production
was tied up for several years for this and until now it has'nt really been
able to be purchased for production due to media law.
KROM...@webtv.net
cheesy. They are least worth a watch.
krometekk
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ever:
SYSTEM SHOCK
BLOODNET
HELL: A Cyberpunk Thriller
It's *real* friggin' cyberpunk experience! :^)
Grimjack
james evans
Grimjack wrote in message <369804...@nexxus.net>...
>Thanks for the update! Much appreciated!
>
Cpunk. The knowledge of what happened back when it was originally was to be
made as a movie was one of the things I've tried to keep hidden in the
neural net so that others will have an impression of what happened.
desol
Metropolis
Dark City
Class of 1999
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Games in my systems right now:
N64
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Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Playstation
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Activision Classics
Midway Classics Vol 2
Metal Gear Solid
Gameboy
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Rolan's Curse 2
Pokemon
Final Fantasy Adventure
Samurai Shodown
SNES:
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Harvest Moon
Neo-Geo
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Samurai Shodown II
CDs in my player now
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Trancewerk Express Vol 1: Tribute to Kraftwerk
wipe'out" XL soundtrack
White Zombie Nightcrawlers: The KMFDM remixes
Meat Beat Manifesto: Actual Sounds and Voices
PWEI: "The Looks or the Lifestyle"
eyeb...@interpath.com
<nano...@email.msn.com> wrote:
I have no idea what you mean about your keeping this knowledge "hidden in
the neural net". It vaguely sounds as if you knew all this stuff all
along and put the info in some quasi-secret place only cool dudes could
find. But I could be wrong. At any rate, the checkered history of the
Neuro flick has long been public knowledge and exhaustively discussed here
and elsewhere in years past. Your precis was somewhat factually accurate,
but you put a spin on it that implied a kind of emotion present in the
various discussions that simply was not there.
I'm very curious as to what you meant by this:
> Eventually Gibson pulled the novel
> off the shelves as the tendancy to make the made into movie novels started
> to fuck with literature and Gibson would have none of that.
If I understand that clotted syntax correctly, you believe that Gibson
caused the novel to stop being sold for a while, so that it wouldn't be
confused with other media tie-in novels. If this is what you meant, you
are dead wrong. Neuromancer has never gone out of print and has remained
easily available from the moment it was first released to date. It never
crossed Gibson's mind for a second to "pull the novel off the shelves",
nor would this have been his decision to make.
eyebrown
Pilgrim
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james evans
was a off the cuff way of saying that I keep it hidden in my brain, one of
the memories that I have some recall on. Recall as to the verbatim of the
text that I read it in may be faulty but that is what I read. If you have
the story verbatim then share. I think all would like to know more about the
rise and fall of the Neuromancer movie. It beats the hell out of flaming
someone who as "trying" to contribute infos. As far as the novel being
pulled. That was another thing I read in the story concerning the movie, and
way back when it was to be a movie, I can attest to the shortage of
Neuromancer novels, coincidence? I don't know. Were they being all bought up
by fans? I don't know, I'm just relating the story as I got it way back
then.
Why don't you set everyone straight on this since you may have a better
perspective on what went on during those times.
eyeb...@interpath.com wrote in message ...
Grimjack
major motion Picture" on them. I donno but it's a good guess as to why.
Buffy1301
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De...@webtv.net (desol) wrote:
> Snatcher
> Shadowrun (SNES and Genesis)
> wipE'out" and wipe'out" XL
>
> Any others?
>
the chrome ball, the meshing of mechanics and electronics,
and the beuatiful sound of steel on glass
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Shoes1088
count "Ghost in the Machine". i think were starrting to drift more to the
everyday scfi with these, and away from the cyberpunk, but its just a thought
Mantikore
mant...@hotmail.com
Steve Harvey
>
>1)Shadowrun: for Sega Genesis and Nintendo. The Sega one rocks over the
>Nintendo.
>
I had the pleasure of introducing this game (the Sega version) to Paul
Hume, one of the creators of the Shadowrun (pencil & paper) role playing
game. He seemed to really like it. :D
-Steve
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Knight
> Maybe the novels were pulled because some of them had "Soon to be a
> major motion Picture" on them. I donno but it's a good guess as to why.
Considering what happened to Johnny M., I don't wanna see a Neuromancer
movie. That film was like discovering Atlantis, only to find that it's an
exact replica of Milton Keynes.
eyeb...@interpath.com
<nano...@email.msn.com> wrote:
> Okay.. One explanation for my saying that I keep it hidden in the Neural Net
> was a off the cuff way of saying that I keep it hidden in my brain,
Okay. I'd thought you had the info stashed on a secret web page or
something. Trusting your own memory is perfectly all right. Why, I
myself am doing the same thing.
one of
> the memories that I have some recall on. Recall as to the verbatim of the
> text that I read it in may be faulty but that is what I read. If you have
> the story verbatim then share.
Not "verbatim", however as I pointed out earlier, the topic has been
discussed here quite a bit in times past. Spend an hour with DejaNews &
you'll come up with reams of idle speculation in which nuggets of true
info float like raisins in pudding.
>It beats the hell out of flaming
> someone who as "trying" to contribute infos.
Calm down. I was hardly flaming. All I did was complain about the tone
you attributed to Gibson & co. and the various film companies (implying
they went to war with each other with much yelling & screaming on all
sides--in fact, all discussions were quite civil, and call some of your
prose "clotted"--which it was. I had a tough time figuring out what you
meant.
Those ain't flames. Jeez. Usenet seems to attract people who fire away at
everyone in sight with abandon, and others (like yourself) who take
umbrage at any hint.
> As far as the novel being
> pulled. That was another thing I read in the story concerning the movie, and
> way back when it was to be a movie, I can attest to the shortage of
> Neuromancer novels, coincidence?
Yes. Books don't just happen. They print up a batch & disperse them out
to stores. In time they sell. Once the printing has sold out, the
publisher waits to see how many orders they've gotten for unshipped
copies. If the number is high enough, they print up another batch and off
they go. The result is an apparent ebb & flow of supply overall. It also
could be a case of your particular bookstore selling out & not getting
around to reordering for a couple of months. Though it may loom large
here, Neuro remains a fairly small fish in the book sea. My local McBooks
has stocked one copy for several years. Once they sell it, they're out
for several weeks until the title finds its way onto an automatic reorder
list.
However, I may be wrong, but I'm pretty certain that *no* editions of
Neuro ever had anything like "soon to be a major motion picture"
emblazoned on it. Flick negotiations never got serious enough to interest
the publisher. Even if the book *did* have this on it, it wouldn't have
been pulled from the shelves if talks had broken down. Small fish, big
sea. It wouldn't have been worth it to pulp thousands of perfectly good
books. they'd just keep selling them & let the readers wonder.
By way of example, Dian Fossey's classic "Gorillas in the Mist" was issued
in a movie tie-in edition some years back. The cover was a still from the
movie with Sigourney Weaver & a gorilla. The movie stiffed & quickly
vanished to the back shelves of Blockbuster. However, *five years later*,
the Sigourney edition was the only one you could get. Most people had
forgotten/didn't care/hadn't even heard of the movie. But Houghton
Mifflin had printed so many, they just kept selling themn, regardless of
the appropriateness of the cover.
> Why don't you set everyone straight on this since you may have a better
> perspective on what went on during those times.
Too much trouble, too much typing, been done. DejaNews.
eyebrown
eyeb...@interpath.com
<10671...@compuserve.com> wrote:
I, too, am in the camp of those who hope a movie never is made. By now,
it would seem quaint & dated (if done accurately) or simply silly (if
not). There was a time in the late 80s when a Neuro movie would have
blown everyone awaty. That time is long past. Best to move on to other
things & let the book exist as it has allo along, a perfectly fine strings
of text.
eyebrown
Aurora Slyde
Hackers was a good detailing of the Hacker generation during the 80's. But
most of the hacks they pulled were a good representation of what happens
now, not really cyberpunk but a good funny movie about our hacker culture
now-a-days.
Cyberpunk is deeper.
[Aurora Slyde]
Clonedv8s
but the ministry video was nice...
battle...@mindspring.com
HACKERS was the most atrocious piece of trash I saw that year. Ugh. THE NET
was bad because it was dead-ass boring and just silly, but rarely do I loathe
a movie the way I loathed HACKERS. I'm an od fart -- give me WAR GAMES and
TRON any day.
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>In article <369a8...@news.cc.umr.edu>,
> "Aurora Slyde" <s...@umr.edu> wrote:
>> The net was lame in my opinion, I saw it `cause of Sandi.
>> Hackers was a good detailing of the Hacker generation during the 80's. But
>> most of the hacks they pulled were a good representation of what happens
>> now, not really cyberpunk but a good funny movie about our hacker culture
>> now-a-days.
>> Cyberpunk is deeper.
>>
>> [Aurora Slyde]
>
>
>HACKERS was the most atrocious piece of trash I saw that year. Ugh. THE NET
>was bad because it was dead-ass boring and just silly, but rarely do I loathe
>a movie the way I loathed HACKERS. I'm an od fart -- give me WAR GAMES and
>TRON any day.
>
I personally have to give some appreciation for HACKERS, the music was
good. Aaaannd the movie did bring the truth to the public that really
most hackers are not pasty scrawny acne-ridden nerds. For what it
is... it really isn't that bad. The reason for all the glamourorous
graphics is because todays public really would not be interested in
watching some guy sitting there logged in with his shell account on a
black and white terminal program. So if you hated it for its severe
lack of realism, understand that the general-cattle-audience must be
kept amused by pretty colors.
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CPunk in the movies, plot twists with wild abandon. For the really old
school, there's Angel Devoid, a story of a cop with a killers face....
Bjorn Lindgren
> In article <369a8...@news.cc.umr.edu>,
> "Aurora Slyde" <s...@umr.edu> wrote:
>> The net was lame in my opinion, I saw it `cause of Sandi.
>> Hackers was a good detailing of the Hacker generation during the 80's. But
>> most of the hacks they pulled were a good representation of what happens
>> now, not really cyberpunk but a good funny movie about our hacker culture
>> now-a-days.
>> Cyberpunk is deeper.
>>
>> [Aurora Slyde]
> HACKERS was the most atrocious piece of trash I saw that year. Ugh. THE NET
> was bad because it was dead-ass boring and just silly, but rarely do I loathe
> a movie the way I loathed HACKERS. I'm an od fart -- give me WAR GAMES and
> TRON any day.
I agree, "Hackers" and the "The Net" are the worst crap ever made, the best CP
movies I have seen sofar is Bladerunner and Hardware. And I also personaly think
that the Alien movies are abit "cyberpunkish" too. :)
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> On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:19:56 GMT, battle...@mindspring.com wrote:
>>In article <369a8...@news.cc.umr.edu>,
>> "Aurora Slyde" <s...@umr.edu> wrote:
>>> The net was lame in my opinion, I saw it `cause of Sandi.
>>> Hackers was a good detailing of the Hacker generation during the 80's. But
>>> most of the hacks they pulled were a good representation of what happens
>>> now, not really cyberpunk but a good funny movie about our hacker culture
>>> now-a-days.
>>> Cyberpunk is deeper.
>>>
>>> [Aurora Slyde]
>>
>>
>>HACKERS was the most atrocious piece of trash I saw that year. Ugh. THE NET
>>was bad because it was dead-ass boring and just silly, but rarely do I loathe
>>a movie the way I loathed HACKERS. I'm an od fart -- give me WAR GAMES and
>>TRON any day.
>>
> I personally have to give some appreciation for HACKERS, the music was
> good. Aaaannd the movie did bring the truth to the public that really
> most hackers are not pasty scrawny acne-ridden nerds. For what it
> is... it really isn't that bad. The reason for all the glamourorous
> graphics is because todays public really would not be interested in
> watching some guy sitting there logged in with his shell account on a
> black and white terminal program. So if you hated it for its severe
> lack of realism, understand that the general-cattle-audience must be
> kept amused by pretty colors.
Nothing wrong with fancy flashy graphics as long as its done right[tm]
I for an example love the VR screenshots in Lawnmoverman and Johnny Mnemonic
(*arg*, I could kill to have that interface/enviroment on my PC! :)
Aurora Slyde
Aurora Slyde <s...@umr.edu> wrote in message
news:369a8...@news.cc.umr.edu...
>The net was lame in my opinion, I saw it `cause of Sandi.
>Hackers was a good detailing of the Hacker generation during the 80's. But
>most of the hacks they pulled were a good representation of what happens
>now, not really cyberpunk but a good funny movie about our hacker culture
>now-a-days.
>Cyberpunk is deeper.
>
>
>[Aurora Slyde]
>
>
not really cyberpunk but a good funny movie about our hacker culture
now-a-days.
Of COURSE it isn't Cyberpunk...Acid Burn would have had razor nails. It
was a good Representation of what went on in the 80's. Study hacker history
a little and remember the two key words here : ***80's*** and
***REPRESENTATION***
And haven't we been over this before? Aliens is not cyberpunk because it
does not address the issues a cyberpunk film would. Aliens was only a dark
Sci-Fi tale, the only thing slightly cyberpunk-ish was H.R. Giger's work in
designing it. Tron and Wargames are Computer Movies. Not Cyberpunk in my
opinion because only agnostic Cyberpunks would care if there is a "user"
out there. (I liked the movie...but too cheesy and not enough hard,cutting
edge for me). And I am sure not many Cyberpunks would care if they blow a
huge movie budget to prove that u can't win tic tac toe, much like the fact
everyone loses at war. These are nice films, but again, NOT CYBERPUNK.
BTW...for those of you who are interested:
I found out recently who did the Digiart sequences for Johnny Mnemonic,
and I was thrilled because I have been looking for a long time.
here is the URL: http://www.braid.com
Aurora Slyde
desol <De...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:509-3696...@newsd-121.bryant.webtv.net...
>Was there ever a film version of Neuromancer?
If there ever is, I hope they get Braid to do the digiart like they did
Johnny Mnemonic. Althogh I love Gibson, he needs to work on his screenplays.
IF they give him the budget for actors and digiart and IF he gets a good
script going, I will watch it, if not, I will cringe.
[Aurora Slyde]
Shoes1088
their telnet programs the general population would have been fascinated. by
their standards, just using telnet is an amazing feat of computer knowledge.
mantikore
mant...@hotmail.com
Thorsten Geelhaar
Net and hackers are diffently no cyper-movies, the only cyper-movies
(not cartoons or manga)
i know are Nirvana,Rasenmäherman (1 a. 2), Johnny Mnemonic and Strange
Days
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Larry Madill
Final Fantasy 7, although the cyberpunk is liberally mixed with heavy
doses of Japanese fantasy. There was also an old Sega CD game--I forget
the name--about a cop chasing androids around (Yeah, the plot was cribed
from Blade Runner). The only reason I remember it is because Sega had to
do some heavy editing of the Japanese version before it was released
stateside (i.e. underage nudity, and sex). Chirst! I wish I could
remember the title!
Alan Third
writes
>Aliens was only a dark
>Sci-Fi tale, the only thing slightly cyberpunk-ish was H.R. Giger's work in
>designing it.
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Andreas Somogyi
Larry Madill <Larry...@worldnet.att.net> wrote
on 13 Jan 1999 15:23:39 GMT
in <369CBB30...@worldnet.att.net>
If anyone wants Neuromancer for PC, I can put it up on my webpage.
Don't think anybody would care about the copyright, it must be like 10
years old or so... I'll also put Wasteland there, another of my
all-time favourite games back from the C-64 days...
Andreas Somogyi
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JonnyRotten
or are ya talking about like the books em selve??
either way PLEASE do it....
Andreas Somogyi
"JonnyRotten" <JonnyRo...@yahoo.com> wrote
on Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:41:22 -0500
in <77isvg$e90$1...@cletus.bright.net>
> you mean for a emulator??
No, Neuromancer and Wasteland original PC version complete with code
wheel/paragraph book!
> or are ya talking about like the books em selve??
> either way PLEASE do it....
Ok. They are on their way. Check the files area on my homepage.
Frostbyte
>If anyone wants Neuromancer for PC, I can put it up on my webpage.
>Don't think anybody would care about the copyright, it must be like 10
>years old or so... I'll also put Wasteland there, another of my
>all-time favourite games back from the C-64 days...
>
domain. You can find it on many "Abandonware" sites...
A graphically superior version can be ran on the PC using an Amiga
emulator. The Amiga version might be compared graphically to a
standard VGA version of the game...
Regards,
Frostbyte
Frostbyte
Heh. About a year or so ago, I ran across a cdrom interactive game
based on "Johnny Mnemonic." The movie was essentially re-shot with
completely different actors and additional footage. The interface is
kinda sucky, but the Japanese cyber-guide with the dayglo colored hair
is kinda cute. I had read about the game but had never seen it. I
shrugged and bought it (score! 6 bucks in Targets' clearance bin)
Not bad but infuriatingly easy to die in. Publisher: Sony Imagesoft.
There still may be a few copies in circulation if you check...
Frostbyte
Andreas Somogyi
fros...@mindspring.com (Frostbyte) wrote
on Thu, 14 Jan 1999 01:01:10 GMT
in <369d408b...@news.mindspring.com>
> Andreas...@USA.Net (Andreas Somogyi) wrote:
> >If anyone wants Neuromancer for PC, I can put it up on my webpage.
> >Don't think anybody would care about the copyright, it must be like 10
> >years old or so... I'll also put Wasteland there, another of my
> >all-time favourite games back from the C-64 days...
> >
> Last I checked, Neuromancer for the PC was released into public
> domain. You can find it on many "Abandonware" sites...
Didn't know that, I'll see if I can find it! (It's up anyway :-)
DeepFix
wrote:
>You forgot the tv movie brave new world and Orwell's 1984. They were
>cyberpunk before Gibson coined the term.
I wuz gonna say that,
anyone mention 'Brazil'?
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DeepFix
Inphiniti) wrote:
>black and white terminal program. So if you hated it for its severe
>lack of realism, understand that the general-cattle-audience must be
>kept amused by pretty colors.
That reminds me of another movie with a great dark atmosphere (ie
reality, to me), Mike Leigh's 'Naked'. No actual pooters, unless you
include the conversation about barcodes, but a great rant against
'normals':
X-girlfriend - What happened, were you bored in Manchester?
Johnny - Was I bored? No I wasn’t fucking bored, I’m never bored,
that’s the trouble with everybody you’re all so bored -
You’ve had nature explained to you and you’re bored with it,
you’ve had the human body explained to you and you’re bored
with it, you’ve had the universe explained to you and you’re
bored with it!
So now you just want cheap thrills and like plenty of them and
it doesn’t matter how tawdry or vacuous they are, as long as
it’s new, as long as it’s new, as long as it flashes and
fucking bleeps at you in forty fucking different colours….
Well what ever else you can say about me I’m not fucking
bored! -
So how’s it all going for you?
X-GF - It’s a bit boring actually…..
DeepFix
<Thorsten...@Materna.de> wrote:
>hi Folks,
>
>Net and hackers are diffently no cyper-movies, the only cyper-movies
>(not cartoons or manga)
Dood, check your disk for viruses*, all your bees are taking a pee!!
(*According to my Oxford Dictionary of Computing, the plural of virus
is viruses, but I'm sure it should be viri or sumfink simillar....?)
Larry Madill
Matthew Devney
That's fucking hilarious, man. I will get that movie.
I will.
--
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I wish the real world would just stop hassling me.
Steve Harvey
>CDs in my player now
>-------------------------------
>Trancewerk Express Vol 1: Tribute to Kraftwerk
>
>wipe'out" XL soundtrack
>
>White Zombie Nightcrawlers: The KMFDM remixes
>
>Meat Beat Manifesto: Actual Sounds and Voices
>
>PWEI: "The Looks or the Lifestyle"
>
(etc. etc. etc.)
Just curious - is your .signature automated by reading the contents of
a CD-ROM jukebox into a named pipe (or some such) or are you just REALLY
that slavishly fascinated by mass media?
-Steve
"Kreate Eour Own Kontent!"
or something...
--
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Steve Harvey
>On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:46:06 +0100, Thorsten Geelhaar
><Thorsten...@Materna.de> wrote:
>
>>hi Folks,
>>
>>Net and hackers are diffently no cyper-movies, the only cyper-movies
>>(not cartoons or manga)
>
>Dood, check your disk for viruses*, all your bees are taking a pee!!
>
>(*According to my Oxford Dictionary of Computing, the plural of virus
>is viruses, but I'm sure it should be viri or sumfink simillar....?)
>DeepFix www.deepfix.freeserve.co.uk ICQ 25253077
"Viruses" is the accepted English & American plural, but the latin is
"Virii" and so that's what I used almost exclusively in all the security alert
emails I sent out at my last admin gig...
-Steve
Steve Harvey
>On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:19:56 GMT, battle...@mindspring.com wrote:
>>
>>HACKERS was the most atrocious piece of trash I saw that year. Ugh. THE NET
>>was bad because it was dead-ass boring and just silly, but rarely do I loathe
>>a movie the way I loathed HACKERS. I'm an od fart -- give me WAR GAMES and
>>TRON any day.
>>
>
>I personally have to give some appreciation for HACKERS, the music was
>good. Aaaannd the movie did bring the truth to the public that really
>most hackers are not pasty scrawny acne-ridden nerds. For what it
>is... it really isn't that bad. The reason for all the glamourorous
>graphics is because todays public really would not be interested in
>watching some guy sitting there logged in with his shell account on a
>lack of realism, understand that the general-cattle-audience must be
>kept amused by pretty colors.
>
Well said. "Hackers" gets a 1 for realism but high marks for keen social
insight. I espescially like how the "bad guy" hacker is a skater while
all the kiddies are on their wussie rollerblades (props to Fuz for pointing
this out). And while I don't usually pay much attention to such things in
films, it had a love interest who I thought was a real hottie++.
I do think that by over-glamourizing the technology, it missed out on
some of the retro charm that is a genuine (if masochistically so) part
of hAcKErKuLTcHa... And while overall I have to admit that Wargames
and (espescially) Tron were much better films, Hackers can still be
painfully funny at times - there aren't a lot of films which do such a
good job of parodying my own misspent youth...
Matthew Devney
> I do think that by over-glamourizing the technology, it missed out on
> some of the retro charm that is a genuine (if masochistically so) part
> of hAcKErKuLTcHa...
Hey! vi is a perfectly acceptible substitute for ed!
And while overall I have to admit that Wargames
> and (espescially) Tron were much better films, Hackers can still be
> painfully funny at times - there aren't a lot of films which do such a
> good job of parodying my own misspent youth...
>
--
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dee...@deepfix.freeserve.co.uk.delete (DeepFix) wrote:
>On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:58:41 GMT, plex_in...@yahoo.com (Plex
>Inphiniti) wrote:
>
>>lack of realism, understand that the general-cattle-audience must be
>>kept amused by pretty colors.
>
>reality, to me), Mike Leigh's 'Naked'. No actual pooters, unless you
>include the conversation about barcodes, but a great rant against
>'normals':
>
>X-girlfriend - What happened, were you bored in Manchester?
>
>Johnny - Was I bored? No I wasn’t fucking bored, I’m never bored,
> that’s the trouble with everybody you’re all so bored -
> You’ve had nature explained to you and you’re bored with it,
> you’ve had the human body explained to you and you’re bored
> with it, you’ve had the universe explained to you and you’re
> bored with it!
>
> So now you just want cheap thrills and like plenty of them and
> it doesn’t matter how tawdry or vacuous they are, as long as
> it’s new, as long as it’s new, as long as it flashes and
> fucking bleeps at you in forty fucking different colours….
>
> Well what ever else you can say about me I’m not fucking
>bored! -
> So how’s it all going for you?
Hahahahahah, that is awesome!
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>
> Also, Parasite Eve has a very punkish flavor to it. In a odd way so does
parasite eve does have a punkish flavour to it but it's more of a
brooding atmosphere. if you've ever played white wolf role playing
games, you would know what i mean when i say, "world of darkness" or
"gothic punk". that hard-core metallic edge rusted slightly but still,
sharp enough to pierce deal...
> Final Fantasy 7, although the cyberpunk is liberally mixed with heavy
> doses of Japanese fantasy. There was also an old Sega CD game--I forget
> the name--about a cop chasing androids around (Yeah, the plot was cribed
> from Blade Runner). The only reason I remember it is because Sega had to
> do some heavy editing of the Japanese version before it was released
> stateside (i.e. underage nudity, and sex). Chirst! I wish I could
> remember the title!
Snatchers for the SegaCD? it's VERY blade runnersique. i played the game
first before i ever saw the movie (blade runner -- yes it's blasphemous
i know *snicker*) and the parallels are striking! another release that
never got to see it on this end of the shores that is in the nature of
Snatches, is Policenauts. it was reviewed in several gaming magazines
and then quickly dropped out of site. that was several years ago mind
you. those of you who own Metal Gear Solid will notice that during the
ninja dude scene with octacon in the locker there's a Policenauts poster
on the wall -- that's because the designer is the same one who developed
Snatchers and Policenauts... of course, all of this information is much
more detailed if you buy the strategy book and all it's goodies. but
enough of game guides. :P
-myz, wired and tired
Jeff A. Campbell
Movies?
I liked Johnny Mnemonic in some ways, but the dialog was a bit too
forced/rigid in my opinion. Then again, I suppose it could be justified
- Johnny himself had some mental problems. It was a great idea with
imperfect handling.
Bladerunner? Sheer genius. No 'net-play like you would think, but the
feel and underlying thematic elements from the film scream cyberpunk.
This is a movie that would be hard to improve on (all I can think of is
the technology growing a bit dated).
Hackers was ... Well ... I tend to concur with most people that it was
cyber-trash in most respects. Yes, the soundtrack kicked ass. Yes, it
did have some humorous aspects to it. And yet, it's extremely hard not
to cringe when the onscreen visuals appeared. If you're going to have
fullscreen VR being a central part of the movie, then go all the way and
do it right. Bump the timeline up about 20-30 years, charge up the
special effects a bit, don't make the main characters so clownish, and
strengthen the plotline a little bit. Worst of all, it has done for 90's
teen culture what WarGames did for the 80's. If I hear "Hack the planet"
again, someone is going to die.
WarGames was good entertainment, and featured telecomm before telecomm
was known. It was a decent movie with a basic plat. I wouldn't say it
was strictly CP by any means, though.
Strange Days was an overlooked movie, in my opinion. I wasn't expecting
much when I first saw it, but it proved me wrong. It's a little
near-term to fall into the stereotypical CP timeline, but that's not
really the point - it had the right mix of social commentary and
technology to work just right.
Lawnmower Man was good in about the same way, although Lawnmower Man II
was a complete joke and should never have been unleashed to the world. I
walked out before the movie was over. Please spare yourself the agony.
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hmm.. Where could I find it... I REALLY like cyberpunk games, especially I
would like CYBERPUNK RPGS for computer !!!
I think there is too few of them...
Do you know any cyberpunk CRPGs ?
BTW; Would anyone happen to have BloodNet, I sold it away after I played
it through, but I would nowadays really like to play it again...
That was pretty decent cyberpunk/vampire adventure/rpg... The theme was
great, I mean the vampires and cyberpunk, surprisingly fitted in together
really well in that game !!! Some good faithed vampire killer with
cybernetic arms to push some stakes at vampire's heart, YEAH !!! :)
Not to mention elvis who's mind was lost in cyberspace without physical
body, and then you could collect android parts and also trade drugs to get
some parts, and then you could assemble and download the mind into the
android body, and voila, there you had a really kickassing android party
member in melee fights...
And there were cybernetic parts to apply to your flesh&blood party members
so that they were'nt ONLY flesh&blood after that, and of course the were
smart & designer drugs...
I firstly disappointed a little, because it was more adventure game than
"rpg", but it really had some really kickass cyberpunkish vision of da
future...
And to be honest, there's not much cyberpunk games with ANY rpg elements
on the market nowadays, if ANY !!!
(I haven't found...)
but, anyway, does anyone have bloodnet, or any other cyberpunk rpg game ?
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> Larry Madill wrote:
> >
> > Also, Parasite Eve has a very punkish flavor to it. In a odd way so does
>
> parasite eve does have a punkish flavour to it but it's more of a
> brooding atmosphere. if you've ever played white wolf role playing
> games, you would know what i mean when i say, "world of darkness" or
> "gothic punk". that hard-core metallic edge rusted slightly but still,
> sharp enough to pierce deal...
>
So do you suggest buying parasite eve, I mean, is it cyberpunkish enough to
spend my cash to it... Is it rpg ?
You speak of gothic punk... Is it same kind of "gothic cyberpunk" than in
BloodNet.. I really liked that... Although the gothic thing in it was mainly
the vampires, but that was just good, coz I'm not a fan of gothics anyway, but
the vampires fitted really neatly to cyberpunk world...
So is P. Eve good enough to buy it ???
Chris Seamans
>So do you suggest buying parasite eve, I mean, is it cyberpunkish enough to
>spend my cash to it... Is it rpg ?
>You speak of gothic punk... Is it same kind of "gothic cyberpunk" than in
>BloodNet.. I really liked that... Although the gothic thing in it was
mainly
>the vampires, but that was just good, coz I'm not a fan of gothics anyway,
but
>the vampires fitted really neatly to cyberpunk world...
>So is P. Eve good enough to buy it ???
I know I'm not the one you asked, but this is Usenet! ;^)
Personally, I wouldn't waste my money. I played it a little and watched it
played for quite a while. It's not really in the "cyberpunk" mood either. It
was more or less Squaresoft's attempt to do a modern day horror game like
Resident Evil.
The plot makes little sense, and it's full of holes. The action is
railroaded down a specific path. The style is just like Resident Evil with
the exception of the fact that there's no real skill involved in the combats
(the combats are like all Squaresoft games, the only difference is that
there are some neat looking special effects).
Much like FF7 this is a game that relies entirely on impressive CG
sequences. That's pretty much the only appeal of this game. Also, at one
point there are enemies that are monkeys and they can throw their arms at
you like boomerangs.
Chris Seamans
>hmm.. Where could I find it... I REALLY like cyberpunk games, especially I
>would like CYBERPUNK RPGS for computer !!!
>I think there is too few of them...
>Do you know any cyberpunk CRPGs ?
Well, let's see. There was the "Bladerunner" game which was very
entertaining in my opinion. It was set in the world of the movie and you
took the role of a different Bladerunner. The storyline had the potential to
change depending on your actions and some interesting stuff could happen.
Not as bad as I thought it might be.
Then, if you can track it down, there was a really old game called
"Circuit's Edge," in which you took the role of an arabic Private
Investigator in the future. Most of the action takes place in a sort of
walled ghetto of an unnamed Arabic city. The characters are colorful and the
high-tech lowlife quotient is very high.
"Bladerunner" is probably still available in stores, while "Circuit's Edge"
is currently available on the "Powerhits SciFi" CD from Activision (you get
a bunch of excellent games on that one, including "Mines of Titan," a
futuristic RPG set in the underground colonies of Titan, not strictly
cyberpunk, but fun).
Hope this helps.
james evans
action/strategy game.
DeepFix
Harvey) wrote:
>"Viruses" is the accepted English & American plural, but the latin is
>"Virii" and so that's what I used almost exclusively in all the security alert
>emails I sent out at my last admin gig...
Thanx for clearing that up!
Killjoy
Aurora Slyde wrote in message <369c4...@news.cc.umr.edu>...
<snip>
>Althogh I love Gibson, he needs to work on his screenplays.
<snip>
Have you read Gibson's screenplay for "Mnemonic"? The movie you see on
videotape and the screenplay that Gibson wrote are two different animals.
Needless to say, the screenplay is far better.
Killjoy (tiiiiiime)
Shoes1088
>sequences. That's pretty much the only appeal of this game. Also, at one
>point there are enemies that are monkeys and they can throw their arms at
>you like boomerangs.
I'm sorry, but i HAVE to point out that in NO way whatsoever did FF7 rely on
it's CG sequences. were they beautiful? yes. did they add to the game? yes.
the game itself however would have been JUST as much fun to play if they werent
there. while im on the subject of FF7, did anyone else notice a CP theme in
it? we had the HUGE corporation... the heros on the wrong side of the law,
dark cities, dark atmosphere all together? hmmmm? any other opinions on that?
mantikore
mant...@hotmail.com
Shoes1088
>
>>hmm.. Where could I find it... I REALLY like cyberpunk games, especially I
>>would like CYBERPUNK RPGS for computer !!!
>>I think there is too few of them...
>>Do you know any cyberpunk CRPGs ?
>
>
well, you might consider picking up a genisis emulator and the ShadowRun rom.
that game was the ULTIMATE cp video game. i LOVED that game. I played it
through 9 times, 3 times as each archtype. The Matrix scenes were excellent
as well. that game is just plain FUN. i also have to agree with whoever it
was (sorry.. short memory) that mentioned syndacite wars, that is a fairly cool
game as well. hmmmm.... the SNES shadowrun was very mediocre. i guess in some
far fetched notion, Rise of the Triad could be considered cp... but you wanted
RPGs, so back to the topic.... I believe RIse of the Dragon had a PC debut,
though if you can find it anywhere i'd be surprised. Now THAT was a kick ass
ame. they also made it foe Sega CD, and im not sure if there even is an
emulator for SCD, but if there is then grab that and Snatchers as well. Virus
the game was alright, but now im starting to think WAY off track, so i'll give
it a rest.
later,
Mantikore
mant...@hotmail.com
Larry Madill
Killjoy wrote:
> Have you read Gibson's screenplay for "Mnemonic"? The movie you see on
> videotape and the screenplay that Gibson wrote are two different animals.
> Needless to say, the screenplay is far better.
>
>
I think the main problem with Mnemonic was that Hollywood did not want to
follow Gibson's screenplay (this is not a new phenomen, read Harlan Ellison's
Glass Teat books and his own personal debacle: I,Robot), and the fact that
Mnemonic was directed by an inexpeirance, overly style concious amatuer, Brett
Longo. But Neuromancer the Movie is a mute point. Doing Neuromancer today
would be as pointless as remaking Tron.
Time to move on.
Larry.
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Bjorn Lindgren
> Anyone here like Syndicate or Syndicate Wars. Pretty good cyberpunk
> action/strategy game.
Ohh, I love Bullfrog's Syndicate Wars, played it alot on my
Amiga and PC back in the old good days, thats real cool CP game.
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Larry Madill
Jesse Kulenski wrote:
> well, not that it's important or anything, but Pixar, the computer
> animation house behind "A Bug's Life" is considering doing a sequel to
> TRON.
>
>
OK, there really is no accounting for Hollywood's bad taste.
sph...@wilmington.net
>
> hmm.. Where could I find it... I REALLY like cyberpunk games, especially I
> would like CYBERPUNK RPGS for computer !!!
> I think there is too few of them...
> Do you know any cyberpunk CRPGs ?
Have you tried Fallout or Fallout2 yet? They are both mainly
post-Apocalyptic role playing games along the lines of the Mad Max films.
But as you play through the game you discover some of the last remaining
portions of pre-collapse technology. In this game nuke war happened in the
50's or 60's Also you can design your character so that you don't have to
strictly rely on 'Asskicking' ability. This is even more so in the second
one where you can chose more specialized characters to assist you (repair
technician, Doctor, robotic dog, military computer brain downloaded into a
repair robot). There are also plenty of pop sci-fi and culture references
and chance encounters.
Yakuza
South Park
Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Star Trek
Star Wars (Mos Eisley)
Mike (the Masticator) Tyson
Aliens
The Godfather
Dan Quayle and tomato'e'
Monica Lewinsky
Big Trouble in Little China
Wizard of Oz
Mad Max
Area 51
A Christmas Story
Pinky and the Brain
etc.
First one was awesome. I am currently at the end of the second one but
haven't defeated it yet.
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Chris Seamans
>Anyone here like Syndicate or Syndicate Wars. Pretty good cyberpunk
>action/strategy game.
Syndicate? I played that one for weeks! Loved it. One of the best PC games
of all time IMHO.
Syndicate Wars was fun too, but I didn't get into it to quite the same
extent.
Chris Seamans
>the game itself however would have been JUST as much fun to play if they
werent
>there.
I dunno. Everyone I know who played it and liked it just seemed to talk
about the CG. From my own experience with it the game itself wasn't too much
to write home about. Of course, it all boils down to personal taste. I don't
really like that style of game, other people like it.
>while im on the subject of FF7, did anyone else notice a CP theme in
>it? we had the HUGE corporation... the heros on the wrong side of the law,
>dark cities, dark atmosphere all together? hmmmm? any other opinions on
that?
Yeah, I have an opinion on that. A huge corporation with evil intent? It's a
common theme in all kinds of media. I'm not going to presume to say what is
cyberpunk and what isn't. However, by such a definition everything from
"It's A Wonderful Life" to "One Crazy Summer" is cyberpunk.
Heroes on the wrong side of the law? It all depends. What's the law and
what's the wrong side. Robin Hood was on the wrong side of the law. So was
Al Capone. Again, by such a broad definition many films and books could be
considered cyberpunk.
Dark atmosphere? If I rattled off every movie, book and game with a dark
atmosphere we could be here all night...
As I said, I'm not going to say what is cyberpunk or what isn't cyberpunk.
If what you mentioned are the criteria then cyberpunk is now a cliche. It's
a good thing that it's dead now.
Peter
Petri Niemelä wrote:
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I got awesome BLOODBET and it's unofficial great (great!) sequel HELL:
A Cyberpunk Thriller. Both games including System Shock are the best
cyberpunk computer games ever and are absolute _must_have_ for all
cyberpunk freaks.
PTR
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james evans
time (came out in 91' I think) Compelling story line, and good action
sequences. Some hard puzzles to solve but pretty decent. It also shipped
with a soundtrack cd as well , at least thats what I got with my copy. Check
with Philips as this was one of their titles originally produced for their
CD-I machine but ported over to IBM and MAC.
Larry Madill
not an RPG though.
Petri Niemelä
> "Bladerunner" is probably still available in stores,
Well, I own Bladerunner... :) But I consider the game more of an adventure
game... I mean of course the line is very shallow, but I think that one
requirement of a game to be an rpg is that your characters develop during the
game...
Ok, I don't remember how much they advanced in bloodnet, but atleast you could
upgrade your party members with cybernetics...
> while "Circuit's Edge"
> is currently available on the "Powerhits SciFi" CD from Activision (you get
> a bunch of excellent games on that one, including "Mines of Titan," a
> futuristic RPG set in the underground colonies of Titan, not strictly
> cyberpunk, but fun).
Hmm... the circuits Edge surely sounds interesting, I wonder where I can find
it..
Petri Niemelä
> Petri Niemelä wrote:
> [---cut---]
>
> I got awesome BLOODBET and it's unofficial great (great!) sequel HELL:
> A Cyberpunk Thriller. Both games including System Shock are the best
> cyberpunk computer games ever and are absolute _must_have_ for all
> cyberpunk freaks.
I haven't played much of that hell game, but it looks and sounds wierd, I mean you
have to assasinate priests make deals with demons, kinda wierd I'd say...
Bloodnet was better I think, atleast you knew that the vampires were evil, and you
fight against them...
Petri Niemelä
> james evans <nano...@email.msn.com> wrote:
> > Anyone here like Syndicate or Syndicate Wars. Pretty good cyberpunk
> > action/strategy game.
>
> Ohh, I love Bullfrog's Syndicate Wars, played it alot on my
> Amiga and PC back in the old good days, thats real cool CP game.
Öhm... Syndicate Wars wasn't released to amiga as far as I know... You
probably mean the original syndicate, not the sequel...
Petri Niemelä
What's the story ?
Petri Niemelä
> Anyone here like Syndicate or Syndicate Wars. Pretty good cyberpunk
> action/strategy game.
Yeah I like them although I got bored pretty soon to Syndicate Wars.. I
mean after played a lot of the original syndicate, the wars wasn't as
much different or better, except the option to change view...
And the Swars was also a little too hard I'd say, which in turn lead me
to use cheats, and after you get the graviton gun, there's not much
opposition, I mean they make graviton gun a way too powerfull... When
you have that weapon you can just enter a stage and blast in the air
like heck, and voila, you get through that level, because everyone's
died because of your graviton gun, even if you didn't even go close to
them...
Andrew Mays
Jesse Kulenski wrote:
> well, not that it's important or anything, but Pixar, the computer
> animation house behind "A Bug's Life" is considering doing a sequel to
> TRON.
>
> -Jesse K.
> ---
> "Giving the Internet a Bad Name Since 1993."
Hey I'll be there. And get me some decent action figures too!! I wanna
light cycle damnit!
Andrew
Petri Niemelä
> "Bladerunner" is probably still available in stores, while "Circuit's Edge"
> is currently available on the "Powerhits SciFi" CD from Activision (you get
> a bunch of excellent games on that one, including "Mines of Titan," a
> futuristic RPG set in the underground colonies of Titan, not strictly
> cyberpunk, but fun).
>
Check the activision website, but couldn't find...
Peter
Petri Niemelä wrote:
> I haven't played much of that hell game, but it looks and sounds wierd, I mean you
> have to assasinate priests make deals with demons, kinda wierd I'd say...
> Bloodnet was better I think, atleast you knew that the vampires were evil, and you
> fight against them...
All those demons were cyberspace natives.... :^)
Larry Madill
Peter wrote:
> All those demons were cyberspace natives.... :^)
>
>
Really? I thought they were different versions of Bill Gates.
David Murphy
> > movie. That film was like discovering Atlantis, only to find that it's an
> > exact replica of Milton Keynes.
>
> I, too, am in the camp of those who hope a movie never is made. By now,
> it would seem quaint & dated (if done accurately) or simply silly (if
> not). There was a time in the late 80s when a Neuro movie would have
> blown everyone awaty. That time is long past. Best to move on to other
> things & let the book exist as it has allo along, a perfectly fine strings
> of text.
Considering that Chris Cunningham is lined up to direct it, I am sure it will
be an amazing movie. This is the guy behind the Aphex Twin - "Come To Daddy",
Madonna -"Frozen" video and the recent Squarepusher video. As a warped
visionary I feel he would bring the requsite abilities to directing the feature
length version of this book..
But thats just my opinion..
I just wanna see someone make Pat Cadigan's - Synners novel into a film...
-HoTWire
Jean-Philippe Belassami
preparation.
A Count Zero adaptation is in preparation, and not Neuromancer !
The title will be 'The Zen Differencial', and the director is Michael
Mann...
More infos at :
http://us.imdb.com/Title?Zen+Differential,+The+(1998)
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Larry Madill
Jean-Philippe Belassami wrote:
> A Count Zero adaptation is in preparation, and not Neuromancer !
>
> The title will be 'The Zen Differencial', and the director is Michael
> Mann...
>
>
Hollywood has lost its mind! How are they going to do a screen
adaptation of Count Zero (and, to me, it's still Count Zero no matter
what stupid title the schlock-misters in L.A. give it) without first
doing Neuromancer! The plot to Count Zero (I use the word "plot"
liberally.) is totally indecipherable without Neuromancer and Mona Lisa
Overdrive. It is like doing The Empire Strike Back without Star Wars and
Return of the Jedi!
Larry,
--
"Gatsby believed in the green light, the orgastic future that
year by year recedes before us. It eluded us then, but that's no
matter--tomorrow we will run faster, stretch out our arms
farther. . . And one fine morning--
"So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back
ceaselessly into the past."
--F. Scott Fitzgerald, The Great Gatsby