Killing Poor People Is No Problem - US Policy
Daylight
attacked a village yesterday and killed over one hundred civilians in
the village. One of these reports is on the following link at the UK
newspaper, the Times.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2001605885,00.html
As usual, the US says the village had Al-Qaeda and Taliban commanders.
The fool people will believe that, without even asking simple
questions such as "Who are those commanders? Can you name one of them?
Who is controlling that village? Is it Taliban or the new US installed
govt.?"
This type of mass murdering has happened many times so far. A few days
ago, another village in Kabul has been equalized with the ground
level. And before that, convey of vehicles has been eliminated,
killing over 60 civilians, and many, many more.
Now I am not writing this article to complain about this dirty US act.
This is a standard US policy and will never change. I am just
wondering about the international human right organizations. Where are
they? They haven't even sent their people there to investigate these
US crimes. We have seen them condemning Taliban for preventing women
from going to school. Why they are not condemning the US for killing
these women? Taliban has said that they cannot educate them for
financial reasons. But this excuse was not accepted. Now they are not
even asking the US to give any excuse for killing them.
What a miserable world we are living in. Poor Afghan people do not
have any value. No body bothers about them. Or even ask the question
why they are killed. It is okay. Their blood is cheap and their lives
are even cheaper. As long as the US remains in the driving seat and
the whole world is following it blindly, this human misery will
continue.
Wait a minute. For all third world poor people, don't give up hope.
Soon you will have all the rights that you have dreamed of for very
long time. Just support Osama bin Laden. He is the one who is going to
destroy this evil country. A few years ago, when the US attacked his
bases in Afghanistan with Tomahawk Missiles, he said he would make the
US cry blood for what she did. And he did it. Now he is saying he is
going to destroy the US. I believe he will be able to do it.
This man is a brain and the US govt. is stupid. The US is like a blind
child carrying a gun and shooting on everybody. Or like a Spanish ox
that tries to run behind everybody and finally gets beaten up. Fools
always loose, no matter how strong they are.
john petko
<daylig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It has been reported by many news agencies that the US airforces
> attacked a village yesterday and killed over one hundred civilians in
> the village. One of these reports is on the following link at the UK
> newspaper, the Times.
>
> http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2001605885,00.html
>
> As usual, the US says the village had Al-Qaeda and Taliban commanders.
> The fool people will believe that, without even asking simple
> questions such as "Who are those commanders? Can you name one of them?
> Who is controlling that village? Is it Taliban or the new US installed
> govt.?"
>
drivel deleted
when all is said and done you will find America killed 1/100th of the
innocent people that the taliban did. also wheras America would have
done it by accident, the taliban did it for fun.
jp
Jacob T.
> As usual, the US says the village had Al-Qaeda and Taliban commanders.
> The fool people will believe that, without even asking simple
> questions such as "Who are those commanders? Can you name one of them?
> Who is controlling that village? Is it Taliban or the new US installed
> govt.?"
We don't have to reveal our intelligence and intelligence sources. We need
to keep the information close to our vests in order to protect the good
people of Afghanistan on the ground who provide information for us.
It should be obvious to the layman that peasant villagers do not fire
shoulder-fired missles into the air so the place was obviously a hotbed on
Al Qaida.
Also, it should be pretty clear that we can destroy any village we want if
we so choose, so why did we destroy this particular village and not a
hundred others in the area? Just to watch these particular villagers die
and nobody else? If our goal was to kill Afghan villagers, hundreds of
villages would be wiped out every single day. Therefore, it is pretty
obvious that we are specifically hunting Al Qaida.
Bullseye!
Joseph Bradshaw
forms of law. Because they have the most powerful offence in the world,
they think everyone else agrees with what they are doing.
We must be pro-active and capture the American leaders (and soldiers) that
are carrying out these atrocities before they can do any more damage. We
must then PUT THEM ON TRIAL for what they have done so the entire world can
judge them. If they have sufficient defence, they will be released, if
not maybe we should execute them like the US government seems to enjoy
executing others on death row who have committed equally abhorent acts.
Nightlite
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I'm sure the belgium courts will be happy to host your kangaroo court when
they are done with their sham trial of sharon.
Jacob T.
> Mate, I have truly come to believe that the US believes it is above all
> forms of law.
No, we are under God's law, but as the only remaining superpower in the
world, we DO have responsibilities to the civilized world to make sure that
militant Islam ceases to threaten the civilized world.
> Because they have the most powerful offence in the world,
> they think everyone else agrees with what they are doing.
It is nice that the UN and NATO unanimously backs the US War on Terrorism,
but even if they didn't we have the responsibility to stop militant Islam.
> We must be pro-active and capture the American leaders (and soldiers) that
> are carrying out these atrocities before they can do any more damage.
Killing Taliban and Al Qaida is not "damage", it is "medicine".
Just what the doctor ordered!!
> must then PUT THEM ON TRIAL
Heh, heh ... the Taliban already tried that and now they are fried
hamburger.
> for what they have done so the entire world can
> judge them.
The Afghans are dancing in the streets with joy over the removal of the
Taliban. I even saw footage of Afghan women KISSING THE AMERICAN FLAG in
Kabul after their liberation from Muslim oppression.
Face it ... militant Islam is now in decline!!!
Roedy Green
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On 1 Jan 2002 09:40:45 -0800, daylig...@yahoo.com (Daylight)
wrote or quoted :
>Wait a minute. For all third world poor people, don't give up hope.
I saw a documentary last night about slavery and how over the
centuries nations have economically exploited each other for goods.
This is normal for the human species.
We are gradually developing a conscience about it, just as we are
gradually developing a conscience about mistreating other species.
We are redeveloping a conscience about killing civilians after Hitler
taught the world it was OK, and everyone fell in line.
The home video recorder may be the tool that finally stops the
practice.
At the same time we need to develop a conscience about overbreeding.
If we persist in that, wars, famines and pestilence are a natural
consequence.
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Joseph Bradshaw wrote:
> Mate, I have truly come to believe that the US believes it is above all
> forms of law. Because they have the most powerful offence in the world,
> they think everyone else agrees with what they are doing.
Darwin calls it survival of the fittest. If you don't like it, but live in the
U.S., then leave. If you live elswhere then believe what you want, but, by all
means, stay there.
>
>
> We must be pro-active and capture the American leaders (and soldiers) that
> are carrying out these atrocities before they can do any more damage.
We must be pro-active and rise up against cry baby liberals, such as yourself,
who do not have what it takes to arrive at a real solution to a problem, yet
scream their frigging mouths off anytime they disagree with someone else's
solution. You and your type make me sick. The U.S. is supposed to ignore the
atrocities of 9/11? Or perhaps the U.S. should have done nothing and waited
for it to happen again? What do you suggest Einstein?
> We
> must then PUT THEM ON TRIAL for what they have done so the entire world can
> judge them.
We must commend them for exacting revenge for the attrocities of 9/11.
> If they have sufficient defence, they will be released, if
> not maybe we should execute them like the US government seems to enjoy
> executing others on death row who have committed equally abhorent acts.
They need no defense other then the God given right to defend their country and
its values.
IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are
offending some individual or their culture.
Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced
a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However, the dust
from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct"
crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism
was offending others.
I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against
anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our
population is almost entirely comprised of descendants of immigrants.
However, there are a few things that those who have recently
come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.
This idea of America being a multicultural community has served
only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As
Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language
and our own lifestyle.
This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles,
trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought
freedom. We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese,
Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part
of our society, learn the language!
"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some
Christian, right wing, political slogan.
We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on
Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly
documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls
of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider
another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of
our culture.
If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam,
then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.
We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we
really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR
COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle.
Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express
his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But,
once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag,
our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage
you to take advantage of one other great American freedom,
THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.
the apostate
I have a couple of points.
1. If you think you can come over and arrest US leaders and put them on
trial then do it, what is stopping you. Oh yes, its the fact that we have
the strongest military in the world, so you resort to just whinning and
crying.
2. What jurisdiction does the world have over the US, and exactly what
moral authority do they claim. Maybe Zimbabwe president Mugabe will be
chief justice on this court, since he has just a spotless human rights
record (100,000 dead or missing). Maybe Fidel Castro can be the
prosecutor, since he knows all about police states and silencing dissent.
Maybe we can find The ortega brothers, leaders of the Sandinistas or Papa
Doc the former leader of Haiti. Maybe we can hold this court in South
Africa where hundreds of people are killed daily. Maybe Momar Quadafi and
Saddem Hussein can testify against american cruelty.
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Nightlite
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And you believe he will destroy the USA ?
With what ?
His smelly underarms ?
His heroin stash ?
The last sentence you make however is true , fools do always lose.
The fools however are actually the muslim idiots like yourself who support
Bin laden.
Killing people is no moral problem for me if they are bin laden supporters.
So bring it on Daylight and all your backwards fundie friends as the USA has
plenty more anti terrorist actions planned for you this coming year.
Feel free to join the party but don't expect to leave it in one piece, just
like what happened to the Taliban.
Jean Guernon
Daylight a écrit :
>
> It has been reported by many news agencies that the US airforces
> attacked a village yesterday and killed over one hundred civilians in
> the village. One of these reports is on the following link at the UK
> newspaper, the Times.
>
> http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2001605885,00.html
>
> As usual, the US says the village had Al-Qaeda and Taliban commanders.
Of course they never bomb for nothing. They have to justify the cost.
Only, the enemy will make believe otherwise.
Like you.
J.
Mark
All of this planets resources are for our personal use in achieving the
collective goal of ManKind.
It has nothing to do with race, colour, creed, or religion. It has
everything to do with production and consumption... whether it be
intellectual, material, or 'spiritual'.
It is when a persons actions (not beliefs or stated beliefs) interfere,
prevent, or threaten the human spirit (and it's ability to purchase and
consume mass quantities) that the person becomes an 'undesirable' resource.
Now, you aren't trying to interfere in this endeavor are you?
Well?!?
Are you?!!!
;)
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gutrench
> > Mate, I have truly come to believe that the US believes it is above all
> > forms of law.
>
> No, we are under God's law, but as the only remaining superpower in the
> world, we DO have responsibilities to the civilized world to make sure that
> militant Islam ceases to threaten the civilized world.
>
measured in its total lack of morals.
You appear to be a Zionist funded heathen. The fear of Islam and its
truth, is measured by the underhand and rather barbaric methods being
used to suppress it.
Why is it that people like you, keep on forgetting that German
christian killed 6 million Jews. Is it because zionist, agents like
yourself are a bunch of whores.
> > Because they have the most powerful offence in the world,
> > they think everyone else agrees with what they are doing.
>
> It is nice that the UN and NATO unanimously backs the US War on Terrorism,
> but even if they didn't we have the responsibility to stop militant Islam.
>
Actually, the only other partner in this War against the Poor and non
christians/zionists, will go down in history as the greatest crime
against humanity the world has ever known.
You might have won the battle, but you have already lost the war.
> > We must be pro-active and capture the American leaders (and soldiers) that
> > are carrying out these atrocities before they can do any more damage.
>
> Killing Taliban and Al Qaida is not "damage", it is "medicine".
>
The same way Christians Germans saw the murdering of 6 000 000 + jews
as medicine. Interesting Jacob T.
> Just what the doctor ordered!!
>
> > must then PUT THEM ON TRIAL
>
> Heh, heh ... the Taliban already tried that and now they are fried
> hamburger.
>
Just like 6 000 000 + jews who were gased at the hands of Christian
Germans. Interesting.
> > for what they have done so the entire world can
> > judge them.
>
> The Afghans are dancing in the streets with joy over the removal of the
> Taliban. I even saw footage of Afghan women KISSING THE AMERICAN FLAG in
> Kabul after their liberation from Muslim oppression.
>
> Face it ... militant Islam is now in decline!!!
I notice that you take the posters message out of the original thread
and then replied to it.
Very clever, interesting that you need to do this, the original post
was under the subject heading
'Killing Poor People Is No Problem - US Policy'
There is no such thing as militant Islam, but from your replies in
this post I see that your bigotry and racism have reached a new level
of rabidness.
From your post, you are a white Zionist Scumbag, but I could be wrong.
I am sure you will confirm my hunch, by posting another crass erply.
ankhor
"john petko" <jpe...@bellatlantic.net> schreef in bericht
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> In article <70ceae71.02010...@posting.google.com>, Daylight
> <daylig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > It has been reported by many news agencies that the US airforces
> > attacked a village yesterday and killed over one hundred civilians in
> > the village. One of these reports is on the following link at the UK
> > newspaper, the Times.
> >
> > http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2001605885,00.html
> >
> > As usual, the US says the village had Al-Qaeda and Taliban commanders.
> > The fool people will believe that, without even asking simple
> > questions such as "Who are those commanders? Can you name one of them?
> > Who is controlling that village? Is it Taliban or the new US installed
> > govt.?"
> >
> drivel deleted
Nope a still see it right under here.
truthteller
By George F. Will
Thursday, December 27, 2001; Page A23
"I fear the world will jump to the wrong conclusion that because I am in
Atlanta the work is done. Far from it. We must kill three hundred thousand I
have told you of so often, and the further they run the harder for us to get
them."
-- Gen. William Tecumseh
Sherman, 1864
America's Civil War provides many analogies by which we measure -- and
sometimes misunderstand -- today's military developments, and American ways
of waging war.
Because facets of the Afghanistan operations -- real-time intelligence,
stealthy aircraft, precision munitions -- are so modern, we miss the fact
that the war requires an American tradition of warmaking that has a
19th-century pedigree. And the bloody uprisings by fanatical Taliban and al
Qaeda prisoners underscore the pertinence of Sherman's understanding of how
to define victory over an intensely motivated enemy.
When military operations in Afghanistan began, just four weeks after Sept.
11 and three weeks after Gen. Tommy Franks was told to begin planning
attacks, some critics were quick to say the operations did not begin quickly
enough. Then they said the tempo of operations was too torpid. Critics
compared Franks -- and Colin Powell, ever mindful of allies'
sensibilities -- to Gen. George McClellan. Those were fighting words,
because McClellan was a reluctant fighter.
One of President Lincoln's commanders, McClellan was notoriously reluctant
to close with Confederate forces, the strength of which he consistently
overestimated. This drove Lincoln to distraction, and to sarcasm about
hoping to "borrow" the Army if McClellan was not using it.
Sherman, an energetic user of the Army, believed its principal use against
the Confederacy was not to occupy territory but to destroy enemy personnel.
His reason for believing this has contemporary resonance during a war
against fanatics, many of whom come from the privileged strata of corrupt
and exploitative societies.
Long before secession, Sherman despised the South for its caste and class
systems. In 1843, when stationed in South Carolina, he wrote: "This state,
their aristocracy . . . their patriarchal chivalry and glory -- all trash.
No people in America are so poor in reality, no people so poorly provided
with the comforts of life."
So why did the Confederate army, composed mostly of poor whites, fight for a
social system beneficial only to a tiny landed minority? Partly because of
the elan of its martial elite, those whom Sherman called "young bloods" who
were "brave, fine riders, bold to rashness and dangerous in every sense."
Sherman, writes professor Victor Davis Hanson in his book "The Soul of
Battle," considered the Confederacy "a motley conglomeration of distrustful
factions." Sherman thought the really dangerous faction -- dangerous during
the war, and potentially afterward -- consisted of what Hanson calls "young
zealots, men between 18 and 40 who often formed the cavalry of the South and
were led by rabid knights like Nathan Bedford Forrest, Joseph Wheeler and
Jeb Stuart. These fanatics . . . were the children of the wealthy, excellent
horsemen, full of youthful vigor and insolence."
The South, although militarily weak, "fielded," Hanson says, "individual
warriors who were among the most gallant and deadly in the entire history of
warfare." Hence what Sherman called "the awful fact": Victory required "that
the present class of men who rule the South must be killed outright."
Donald Rumsfeld says his preference is for al Qaeda fighters to surrender
rather than fight to the death: "It ends it faster. It's less expensive."
Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, says: "This is not a war
of extermination." Such statements are perhaps obligatory and even sincere.
However, is surrender really less expensive in the long run? It is a
reasonable surmise that a reformed terrorist is a very rare terrorist, and
that the rate of recidivism will be high among terrorists who are forced to
surrender but continue to believe they are doing God's will when they commit
mass murder of infidels. So, as far as is consistent with the rules of war
and the husbanding of the lives of U.S. military personnel, U.S. strategy
should maximize fatalities among the enemy, rather than expedite the
quickest possible cessation of hostilities.
Many Americans will vehemently reject any analogy between Confederate and al
Qaeda elites. But Sherman might have felt vindicated by a postwar letter
from one former Confederate general to another, D. H. Hill to Jubal Early:
"Why has the South become so toadyish & sycophantic? I think it is because
the best and noblest were killed off during the war."
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ankhor
"Jacob T." <Telli...@worldnet.att.net> schreef in bericht
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>
> > Mate, I have truly come to believe that the US believes it is above all
> > forms of law.
>
> No, we are under God's law, but as the only remaining superpower in the
> world,
you are under Gods law, then you better pre-pare yourselves.
>we DO have responsibilities to the civilized world to make sure that
> militant Islam ceases to threaten the civilized world.
>
> > Because they have the most powerful offence in the world,
> > they think everyone else agrees with what they are doing.
>
> It is nice that the UN and NATO unanimously backs the US War on Terrorism,
> but even if they didn't we have the responsibility to stop militant Islam.
>
> > We must be pro-active and capture the American leaders (and soldiers)
that
> > are carrying out these atrocities before they can do any more damage.
>
> Killing Taliban and Al Qaida is not "damage", it is "medicine".
Okay, I grant you that one.
I love it when a plan comes together.
I don`t like americas economic world plans and WHAM
the temple of mercury comes tumbling down.
I don`t like the taliban for destroying old artifacts and now
they get their share.(and the treatment of people by them)
It`s a win win situation, thank you God.Allah, Jesus, whatever.
> Just what the doctor ordered!!
>
> > must then PUT THEM ON TRIAL
Yeah, lets put everyone on trial, lets have a blast.
> Heh, heh ... the Taliban already tried that and now they are fried
> hamburger.
Yep, lets see what i come up with next.
Landing a airplanbe on a frontlawn was very tricky
> > for what they have done so the entire world can
> > judge them.
>
> The Afghans are dancing in the streets with joy over the removal of the
> Taliban.
Yep, everything falls into place.
> I even saw footage of Afghan women KISSING THE AMERICAN FLAG in
> Kabul after their liberation from Muslim oppression.
Wow, yep, they must have been desperate.
> Face it ... militant Islam is now in decline!!!
I don`t know, I might use them again , they are so good
followers.
ankhor
O+-3~
)O+->
ankhor
> So bring it on Daylight and all your backwards fundie friends as the USA
has
> plenty more anti terrorist actions planned for you this coming year.
>
> Feel free to join the party but don't expect to leave it in one piece,
just
> like what happened to the Taliban.
Time for another educational lesson for america.
It`s natures turn to hit america, they can`t send all their
forces to fight the wind or the earth.
2002 will be a memorable year.
Nightlite
"ankhor" <ankhor@*remove*wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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So nature is going to terrorize the USA for fighting back against terrorists
?
Very creative writing.
Joseph Bradshaw
> > forms of law. Because they have the most powerful offence in the
world,
> > they think everyone else agrees with what they are doing.
> Darwin calls it survival of the fittest.
Hmm, but that applies only to species, not to nations within the same
species.
> The U.S. is supposed to ignore the atrocities of 9/11?
Of course not, that's just silly. Why would you suggest that?
> Or perhaps the U.S. should have done nothing and waited for it to happen
again? What do you suggest Einstein?
How about a non-violent defense? Too many of those Hollywood movies have
gotten male hormones rife. According to Hollywood, the solution is to
everything is to go around blowing up vans, and bringing down buildings
everytime there's a dispute.
Shutting down suspect bank accounts as has been going on is a very good
start.
> > We must then PUT THEM ON TRIAL for what they have done so the entire
world can judge them.
>
> We must commend them for exacting revenge for the attrocities of 9/11.
But innocent civilians did not cuase the atrocities of 9/11.
What's wrong with a trial? If you're so cock-sure you've done nothing
wrong, what have you got to lose?
> > If they have sufficient defence, they will be released, if
> > not maybe we should execute them like the US government seems to enjoy
> > executing others on death row who have committed equally abhorent acts.
>
> They need no defense other then the God given right to defend their
country and
> its values.
But defense does not include the murder of innocent civilians under any
circumstances! An equal force to resist attack is quite acceptable (and
indeed recognised in many countries' laws), but any more than 'reasonable
force' constitutes an offence in itself - unless of course you believe
you're above the law and that it doesn't apply to you.
> I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some
individual or their culture.
Why? We all live on the same planet as everyone else. If you don't take
into consideration other nations and other people's feelings, they will
probably come along and attack.... oh no, that's already happened, hasn't
it!
> Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in
patriotism by the majority of Americans.
There has also been a severe increase in world-wide hatred towards the US,
not least due to the fact that you've been killing innocent civilians -
AGAIN!
> However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the
"politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our
patriotism was offending others.
Well maybe you should listen to them then. If you cannot adapt to new
situations and environments, you are doomed to extinction - that's
Darwinism! Lol. Lol. Lol.
> I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is
seeking a better life by coming to America.
Good. Because if you did, that would be racist.
> Our population is almost entirely comprised of descendants of immigrants.
> This idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to
dilute our sovereignty and our national identity.
What are you ranting on about now? If the US population is 'almost
entirely' made up of immigrants, then they ARE the national identity.
You seem to be wanting to live in the past all the times. Don't forget,
those that don't adapt, die. (Unless you're an innocent Afghan civilian,
in which case you'll probably die anyway at the hands of US military
aggression, er I mean peace-keeping missions, of course).
> As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, and our own
lifestyle....
So does every other nation. Your point please?
> ...our own language...
Own language?
You mean the language they call 'American', er no. Sorry that's not right,
is it? It's called English. Isn't that a place on the other side of the
planet somewhere? Some island somewhere? Spoken by what, let me see
now, there's also Canada, Australia, New Zealand, parts of Africa. Need I
go on? It's also the primary business language of the world; and it's
not called American!
> This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and
victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.
So have a lot of other countries. You are nothing special.
> We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any
other language.
Oh, I'm surprised you haven't arrogantly changed it's name to 'American'
yet. Still, I'm sure you will do given time. And if you're made up of
so many immigrants, you must be speaking many languages, no?
> Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!
Maybe you should begin learning others' languages, that way you will begin
to appreciate other cultures, and maybe begin to understand why 9/11
happened.
Integrate!
> "In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right
wing, political slogan.
> We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian
principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is
certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools.
Ah, now we come to the crunch of 9/11. A clash of religions. A clash of
cultures. Each side refusing to embrace each other - indeed refusing to
even acknowledge their existences unless forced to do so.
> If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world
as your new home, because God is part of our culture.
Why don't you change? Why are you always expecting everyone else to
change to meet your expectations???
> If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you
should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.
Why don't you learn to live alongside other people, instead of pushing them
apart?
> We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change....
Lol. Since when did you start speaking for every other person on the
continent?
> and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is
OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle.
You sound like you're about to go sit in the corner and sulk! Is you
bottom lip quivering because you're not getting your own way anymore. Ah.
> Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express
> his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But,
> once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag,
> our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage
> you to take advantage of one other great American freedom,
> THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.
Why? What are you going to do? Have me beaten up if I don't go?
Gary G Forbis
> It should be obvious to the layman that peasant villagers do not fire
> shoulder-fired missles into the air so the place was obviously a hotbed on
> Al Qaida.
This is Afghanistan not the United States of America we are talking about.
Nothing is so clear.
ankhor
"Nightlite" <im_no...@ational.org> schreef in bericht
news:vxqY7.25648$a56....@atlpnn01.usenetserver.com...
Nope for first aiding terrorists when they fight their "enemy" and
then turning against them.
> Very creative writing.
Yeah, i know, I just love those prophets that are mentioned in the book.
They say those things so colourfull. Those days God was a righteous dude.
Jacob T.
> > No, we are under God's law, but as the only remaining superpower in the
> > world, we DO have responsibilities to the civilized world to make sure
that
> > militant Islam ceases to threaten the civilized world.
> >
> America is no superpower, it is in decline, its decline can be
> measured in its total lack of morals.
We have better morals than you Muslims and had to free the Afghan people
from your vicious oppression. Now they dance with joy in the streets, and
kiss the America flag.
> You appear to be a Zionist funded heathen.
No, a self-sufficcient Christain.
> The fear of Islam
We do not fear militant Islam, but are disgusted with its evil and therefore
will destroy it.
> and its truth,
The folly and the hate of Islam is clear for all to see.
> is measured by the underhand and rather barbaric methods being
> used to suppress it.
We will bomb your Muslim terrorists until they are all dead.
> Why is it that people like you, keep on forgetting that German
> christian killed 6 million Jews.
It is we great Christians in America who destroyed Nazi Germany and bombed
Japan into submission. Now they have reformed themselves, thanks to our
leadership. The same will happen in the barbaric Muslim world, and we will
FORCE you to beat your weapons into plows.
> Is it because zionist, agents like
> yourself ...
God Bless Israel. You can't touch Israel because Israel is protected by the
ALmight God. And it really angers you, doesn't it?
Enjoy! Because there ain't a damn thing you can do about it.
> > It is nice that the UN and NATO unanimously backs the US War on
Terrorism,
> > but even if they didn't we have the responsibility to stop militant
Islam.
> >
> Actually, the only other partner in this War against ....
Everyone supports us, even the Afghan people who KISSED the American flag
when the Taliban were destroyed.
> the Poor and non-christians/zionists, ...
The terrorists aren't poor ... they have sugar daddy Osama, or at least the
y did until America came and kicked his wicked Muslim ass!
> will go down in history as the greatest crime
> against humanity the world has ever known.
The world cheers America's War against Terrorism and rejoices with each new
militant Muslim death.
Hallelujah!!
> You might have won the battle, but you have already lost the war.
We have one the battle, but haven't even warmed up yet.
> The same way Christians Germans saw the murdering of 6 000 000 + jews
> as medicine. Interesting Jacob T.
Christian America stopped criminal Hitler, not helped him, and he was no
Christian.
Now you Muslims should kill your own criminal murderers instead of waiting
for the great USA to do it.
> Just like 6 000 000 + jews who were gased at the hands of Christian
> Germans. Interesting.
Christian America stopped criminal Hitler, not helped him, and he was no
Christian.
Now you Muslims should kill your own criminal murderers instead of waiting
for the great USA to do it.
> > Face it ... militant Islam is now in decline!!!
>
> I notice that you take the posters message out of the original thread
> and then replied to it.
No, I just tailor the title to fit the content.
> Very clever, interesting that you need to do this,
Not clever, just more focused.
> the original post
> was under the subject heading
>
> 'Killing Poor People Is No Problem - US Policy'
And that title itself was in error.
> There is no such thing as militant Islam,
Sure there is .. we just killed thousands of murdering Taliban Muslims, and
will kill tousands more.
Get used to it.
> but from your replies in
> this post I see that your bigotry and racism have reached a new level
> of rabidness.
I am rabidly against racism and bigotry and defend liberation, freedom and
truth.
> From your post, you are a white Zionist Scumbag, but I could be wrong.
You are wrong as usual.
> I am sure you will confirm my hunch, by posting another crass erply.
No, I will just correct the numerous errors and lies you just posted.
Jacob T.
> > It should be obvious to the layman that peasant villagers do not fire
> > shoulder-fired missles into the air so the place was obviously a hotbed
on
> > Al Qaida.
>
> This is Afghanistan not the United States of America we are talking about.
> Nothing is so clear.
If they fire at US soldiers they will be "toasted".
It's as simple as that.
("you are either with the terrorists or with the US -- make your choice!")
jha_amin
> Face it ... militant Islam is now in decline!!!
I would like to believe that, but i have a feeling we may be
increasing "militant islam" logarithmically.
Nightlite
What book are you talking about , a superman comic ?
Do you think you are somehow a prophet ?
So I guess when a tornado hits Arkansas , you will think a 'god' is
responsible.
Feel free to continue with your delusions with reards to why 'natural
diasaters' will occur in the future.
Nightlite
"jha_amin" <jha_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:33b7880.02010...@posting.google.com...
Thats one way to get 'militant lslam's population identified then isn't it ?
Pissing them off and getting them fired up to fight the infidel will make it
a lot easier for me to sleep at night knowing we have rid the world of many
more evil cockroaches than we first went after.
Sounds fine to me.
Michael Hambly
> Joseph Bradshaw wrote:
>
> > Mate, I have truly come to believe that the US believes it is above all
> > forms of law. Because they have the most powerful offence in the world,
> > they think everyone else agrees with what they are doing.
>
> Darwin calls it survival of the fittest. If you don't like it, but live in the
> U.S., then leave. If you live elswhere then believe what you want, but, by all
> means, stay there.
>
So you advocate letting the cockroaches win?
<snip>
JCozmo
no...@noyb.com says...
>
This one was too fun to ignore. Bring it on. Bring your army to get our
leaders. While you are at it round up all the terrorists around the world to
be your allies. An enemy in the open on our turf = biggest rout in history =
safer planet for the rest of us.
Seems y'all tried that a couple of times before.
JC
In only 200 years America has gone from a frontier colony the the greatest
nation the planet has ever seen. While the old world has stagnated to the
point it had to be saved by America. Instead of thanks, the U.S. is constantly
blamed for the problems other countries created and could not solve.
<Doug
Joseph Bradshaw wrote:
> > > Mate, I have truly come to believe that the US believes it is above all
> > > forms of law. Because they have the most powerful offence in the
> world,
> > > they think everyone else agrees with what they are doing.
>
> > Darwin calls it survival of the fittest.
>
> Hmm, but that applies only to species, not to nations within the same
> species.
The likes of Osama Bin Laden, the Taliban, Al Qaeda, their supporters, other
terrorist nations, etc. can hardly be considered the same species. Unless you
wish to claim them as part of your species..
>
>
> > The U.S. is supposed to ignore the atrocities of 9/11?
>
> Of course not, that's just silly. Why would you suggest that?
I didn't suggest it. I questioned your intent.
>
>
> > Or perhaps the U.S. should have done nothing and waited for it to happen
> again? What do you suggest Einstein?
>
> How about a non-violent defense? Too many of those Hollywood movies have
> gotten male hormones rife. According to Hollywood, the solution is to
> everything is to go around blowing up vans, and bringing down buildings
> everytime there's a dispute.
Were the atrocities perpetrated against the U.S. via the WTC and Pentagon a
Hollywood movie? Wake up!
>
>
> Shutting down suspect bank accounts as has been going on is a very good
> start.
Agreed.
>
>
> > > We must then PUT THEM ON TRIAL for what they have done so the entire
> world can judge them.
> >
> > We must commend them for exacting revenge for the attrocities of 9/11.
>
> But innocent civilians did not cuase the atrocities of 9/11.
> What's wrong with a trial? If you're so cock-sure you've done nothing
> wrong, what have you got to lose?
We are not on trial. Osama Bin Laden, the Taliban, Al Qaeda, their supporters,
other terrorist nations, etc. are(or at least should be). But they don't
understand the logic and rationale of civil actions. If they did; Osama Bin
Laden would have been on trial and the war in Afghanistan may have been
avoided. Bullies only understand other bully like actions. Incidentally;
unless wars can be fought on neutral grounds, civilian deaths are an unavoidable
casualty. But, of course, if they could be fought on neutral grounds, that
would probably negate the need for war in the first place.
>
>
> > > If they have sufficient defence, they will be released, if
> > > not maybe we should execute them like the US government seems to enjoy
> > > executing others on death row who have committed equally abhorent acts.
> >
> > They need no defense other then the God given right to defend their
> country and
> > its values.
>
> But defense does not include the murder of innocent civilians under any
> circumstances! An equal force to resist attack is quite acceptable (and
> indeed recognised in many countries' laws), but any more than 'reasonable
> force' constitutes an offence in itself - unless of course you believe
> you're above the law and that it doesn't apply to you.
Perhaps you should find Osama Bin Laden and personally explain these concepts to
him.
>
>
> > I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some
> individual or their culture.
>
> Why? We all live on the same planet as everyone else. If you don't take
> into consideration other nations and other people's feelings, they will
> probably come along and attack.... oh no, that's already happened, hasn't
> it!
You have read all of this entirely out of context. This has nothing directly to
do with other nations except for those people who decide to immigrate to the
U.S. Simply put; the U.S. has established an English speaking American society
and culture with "In God We Trust" as our national motto. Our society and
culture is not that of Italy, Spain, Australia, etc. It is American. If
immigrants wish to live and converse in those other societies and cultures then
they should not become immigrants. Our flag is the Stars and Stripes; not of
Italy, Spain, Australia, etc. If immigrants wish to pledge allegiance to some
other flag then they should not become immigrants. We are a nation with freedom
of religion. Immigrants can worship as they please, but they can't shove their
religious beliefs down the the throats of others and condemn them as infidels
worthy of death because they don't share their convictions.
The U.S. is a young country. Only 205 years old. We are still experiencing
growing pains and learning to live with a hodgepodge of ethnicity and
religions. Much more so then any other nation on earth. If we are so bad and
immoral why do all of these people want to come here? Please don't reply to any
of this. I don't wish to read any more of your rhetoric. If you don't like
us; then by all means; stay where you are. Or better yet; you and your
supporters should travel to the Middle East and explain your solutions to Osama
Bin Laden and his supporters. I'm certain they will listen.
AMERICA!! Love it or leave it!!
<snip the rest of your bullshit>
Joseph Bradshaw
> leaders. While you are at it round up all the terrorists around the world
to
> be your allies. An enemy in the open on our turf = biggest rout in
history =
> safer planet for the rest of us.
Lol. You're a prat, aren't you? I'm not a terrorist. I work for UN in
Brussels, but I just happen to disagree with mass-murder; whether it be
terrorist mass-murder, or American military mass-murder. Actually
working for UN is one of the best ways of putting my views forward, and
actively enforcing what I believe. I have a (small) power that will stop
your troops from going too far - hopefully.
> In only 200 years America has gone from a frontier colony the the greatest
nation the planet has ever seen.
Says who? Self-praise is no praise! If you're so great, why did they
just try and destroy you and everything you stand for, If you are so
great, people around the whole world would love and embrace your ideology -
but instead they choose to attack andf destroy it. Can't be that good, can
it!
> While the old world has stagnated to the point it had to be saved by
America.
Jeez, you should get out more. Stop watching those Hollywood movies.
Here in Brussels, life is evolving. Ever heard of the Euro that's just come
into force? I would hardly call THAT stagnation, would you?
> Instead of thanks, the U.S. is constantly blamed for the problems other
countries created and could not solve.
Such as? A past 'good report' doesn't entitle you to rest on your
laurels. You have to keep working at it, and keep working at it.
Whatever was done well in the past, it is no reason to now act abhorently
and kill innocent civilians.
Jean Guernon
justified to go after terrorists and eliminate them as Israel is. This
is called security. Any court would uphold that. Terrorism isn't and
that is why Arafat will be condemned.
Still in any cases, the only ones responsible for collateral damage and
casualty, when the rules of engagement are followed, are the terrorists.
And that's that.
J.
Nightlite a écrit :
>
> "Joseph Bradshaw" <no...@noyb.com> wrote in message
> news:tCnY7.34102$4x4.4...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> > Mate, I have truly come to believe that the US believes it is above all
> > forms of law. Because they have the most powerful offence in the world,
> > they think everyone else agrees with what they are doing.
> >
> > We must be pro-active and capture the American leaders (and soldiers) that
> > are carrying out these atrocities before they can do any more damage.
> We
> > must then PUT THEM ON TRIAL for what they have done so the entire world
> can
> > judge them. If they have sufficient defence, they will be released, if
> > not maybe we should execute them like the US government seems to enjoy
> > executing others on death row who have committed equally abhorent acts.
> >
>
> I'm sure the belgium courts will be happy to host your kangaroo court when
> they are done with their sham trial of sharon.
Joseph Bradshaw
> casualty, when the rules of engagement are followed, are the terrorists.
> And that's that.
Great! We'll have the American military up for the damage it's terrorism
has done in revenge then. Nice one, you make my job much easier.
The deaths of innocents can never ever be justified!
Islam is growing
Muslim convert takes on leadership role
http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/1213/p16s1-lire.html
==================================================================
The wisdom in Islam
Khalid ibn El Waleed (RA) narrated the following hadith: A Bedouin
came one day to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)and said to him, "0,
Messenger of Allah! I've come to ask you a few questions about the
affairs of this Life and the Here After."
-Ask what you wish.
Q: I'd like to be the most learned of men.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
A: Fear Allah, and you will be the most learned of men.
Q: I wish to be the richest man in the world.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
A: Be contented, and you will be the richest man in the world.
Q: I'd like to be the most just man.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
A: Desire for others what you desire for yourself, and you will be the
most just of men.
Q: I want to be the best of men.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
A: Do good to others and you will be the best of men.
Q: I wish to be the most favored by Allah.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
A: Engage much in Allah's praise, and you will be most favored by Him.
Q: I'd like to complete my faith.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
A: If you have good manners you will complete your faith
Q: I wish to be among those who do good.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
A: Adore Allah as if you see Him. If you don 't see Him, He seeth you.
In this way you will be among those who do good.
Q: I wish to be obedient to Allah.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
A: If you observe Allah's commands you will be obedient.
Q: I'd like to be free from all sins.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
A: Bathe yourself from impurities and you will be free from all sins.
Q: I'd like to be raised on the Day of Judgment in the light.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
A: Don't wrong yourself or any other creature, and you will be raised
on the Day of Judgment in the light.
Q: I'd like Allah to bestow His mercy on me.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
A: If you have mercy on yourself and others, Allah will grant you
mercy on the Day of Judgment.
Q: I'd like my sins to be very few.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
A: If you seek the forgiveness Allah as much as you can, your sins
will be very few.
Q: I'd like to be the most honorable man.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
A: If you do not complain to any follow creature, you will be the most
honorable of men.
Q: I'd like to be the strongest of men.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
A: If you put your trust in Allah, you will be the strongest of men.
Q: I'd like to enlarge my provision.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
A: If you keep yourself pure, Allah will enlarge your provision.
Q: I'd like to be loved by Allah and His messenger.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
A: If you love what Allah and Him messenger love, you will be among
their beloved ones.
Q: I wish to be safe from Allah's wrath on the Day of Judgment.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
A: If you do not loose your temper with any of your fellow creatures,
you will be safe from the wrath of Allah on the Day of Judgment.
Q: I'd like my prayers to be responded.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
A: If you avoid forbidden actions, your prayers will he responded.
Q: I'd like Allah not to disgrace me on the Day of Judgment.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
A: If you guard your chastity, Allah will not disgrace you on the Day
of Judgment.
Q: I'd like Allah to provide me with a protective covering on the Day
of Judgment.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
A: Do not uncover your fellow creatures faults, and Allah will provide
you with a covering protection on the Day of Judgment.
Q: What will save me from sins?
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
A: Tears, humility and illness.
Q: What are the best deeds in the eyes of Allah?
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
A: Gentle manners, modesty and patience.
Q: What are the worst evils in the eyes of Allah?
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
A: Hot temper and miserliness.
Q: What assuages the wrath of Allah in this life and in the Hereafter?
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
A: Concealed charity and kindness to relatives.
Q: What extinguishes hell's fires on the Day of Judgment?
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
A: Patience in adversity and misfortunes.
Islam is growing
Woodswun
>It has been reported by many news agencies that the US airforces
>attacked a village yesterday and killed over one hundred civilians in
>the village. One of these reports is on the following link at the UK
>newspaper, the Times.
So? They attacked their own troops, too. Stuff like that happens every time
you engage in armed conflict - that's why most rational people make an attempt
to avoid them in the first place (unlike the Taliban).
Woods
Jean Guernon
Gary G Forbis a écrit :
Yes it is.
J.
JCozmo
says...
>
>> This one was too fun to ignore. Bring it on. Bring your army to get our
>> leaders. While you are at it round up all the terrorists around the world
>to
>> be your allies. An enemy in the open on our turf = biggest rout in
>history =
>> safer planet for the rest of us.
>
>Lol. You're a prat, aren't you? I'm not a terrorist. I work for UN in
>Brussels, but I just happen to disagree with mass-murder; whether it be
>terrorist mass-murder, or American military mass-murder. Actually
>working for UN is one of the best ways of putting my views forward, and
>actively enforcing what I believe. I have a (small) power that will stop
>your troops from going too far - hopefully.
I did not say you were a terrorist. I said you should ally with them. Do you
actualy think U.S. militery planners are trying to kill innocent civilians? If
that were the case bloodthirsty Americans would just use nukes. The U.S. does
not want to kill innocents. But, I daresay the total of them killed will be
far less than what the Taliban did to their own.
It's a good thing others don't think your way or Belgium would still be under
control of the Nazis. No matter what you think, there are bad people in the
world. They have to be delt with.
Some of them hide behind innocents. I am sure U.S. targeters feel bad for
that. Do you think the terrorists feel anything but joy over their victims?
The U.N. has done a smashing good job in Africa, former Yugoslavia, Afganistan,
etc. etc. etc.
What is a "prat"?
>
>
>> In only 200 years America has gone from a frontier colony the the greatest
>nation the planet has ever seen.
>
>Says who? Self-praise is no praise! If you're so great, why did they
>just try and destroy you and everything you stand for, If you are so
>great, people around the whole world would love and embrace your ideology -
>but instead they choose to attack andf destroy it. Can't be that good, can
>it!
"They" attack America for the same reason "they" attacked Greece, Egypt Rome
and other civilizations. "They" are groups of people who maintain control by
keeping their subjects ignorant and hungry. "They" claim all of their problems
are the fault of the prosperous and not their own ignorance. America shows
people that there is a better way and that frightens those who rule by keeping
their people ignorant.
>
>
>> While the old world has stagnated to the point it had to be saved by
>America.
>
>Jeez, you should get out more. Stop watching those Hollywood movies.
>Here in Brussels, life is evolving. Ever heard of the Euro that's just come
>into force? I would hardly call THAT stagnation, would you?
How many years did it take for a majority of Europe to agree to use the Euro?
What was the last earth shattering devlopment to come out of Europe?
Concorde? Has yet to become cost effective.
Hermes? abandoned. To bad I was rooting for that one.
>
>
>> Instead of thanks, the U.S. is constantly blamed for the problems other
>countries created and could not solve.
>
>Such as? A past 'good report' doesn't entitle you to rest on your
>laurels. You have to keep working at it, and keep working at it.
>Whatever was done well in the past, it is no reason to now act abhorently
>and kill innocent civilians.
Talk about me not getting out, maybe you should. Or take the blinders off.
Where does most of that food that the U.N. is handing out come from? The U.S.
may drop the ball once in a while, read that as Afganistan after 1989, but who
is doing more?
Again if you think the U.S. is actually targeting civilians you are probably
not able to
accept reason. I can aknowledge that the U.S. has made mistakes. It looks
like you cannot give the U.S. credit for anything to make this a better world.
JC
>
>
Robert Ames
wrote:
>I work for UN in
>Brussels, but I just happen to disagree with mass-murder; whether it be
>terrorist mass-murder, or American military mass-murder. Actually
>working for UN is one of the best ways of putting my views forward, and
>actively enforcing what I believe.
Yeah, you'll fit right in at the U.N.
>If you're so great, why did they
>just try and destroy you and everything you stand for, If you are so
>great, people around the whole world would love and embrace your ideology -
>but instead they choose to attack andf destroy it.
The whole world chooses to attack and destroy us, huh? They're not
too successful.
It's the same old crap -- everyone wants to malign the U.S. and
meanwhile they're selling their sisters to get a green card to live
here.
--
Robert Ames <mate...@bellsouth.net>
Nightlite
> > This one was too fun to ignore. Bring it on. Bring your army to get
our
> > leaders. While you are at it round up all the terrorists around the
world
> to
> > be your allies. An enemy in the open on our turf = biggest rout in
> history =
> > safer planet for the rest of us.
>
> Lol. You're a prat, aren't you? I'm not a terrorist. I work for UN in
> Brussels, but I just happen to disagree with mass-murder; whether it be
> terrorist mass-murder, or American military mass-murder. Actually
> working for UN is one of the best ways of putting my views forward, and
> actively enforcing what I believe. I have a (small) power that will stop
> your troops from going too far - hopefully.
>
>
Suffocate him with love and kisses ?
Feed him UN humantarian relief until he is your friend ?
> > In only 200 years America has gone from a frontier colony the the
greatest
> nation the planet has ever seen.
>
> Says who? Self-praise is no praise! If you're so great, why did they
> just try and destroy you and everything you stand for, If you are so
> great, people around the whole world would love and embrace your
ideology -
> but instead they choose to attack andf destroy it. Can't be that good,
can
> it!
>
>
While of course Europe is so loved by Bin-laden and Al Qaida that they
didn't plan attacks in France, Belgium, Italy and London ?
Wake up and smell the dog crap sticking to your shoes.
> > While the old world has stagnated to the point it had to be saved by
> America.
>
> Jeez, you should get out more. Stop watching those Hollywood movies.
> Here in Brussels, life is evolving. Ever heard of the Euro that's just
come
> into force? I would hardly call THAT stagnation, would you?
>
>
And Brussels is also one of Al Qaedas favourite places too or don't you get
out much ?
Lets see how well the 'Euro' is doing after longer than say one day eh ?
hows your european federal counter terrorism unit going ?
> > Instead of thanks, the U.S. is constantly blamed for the problems other
> countries created and could not solve.
>
> Such as? A past 'good report' doesn't entitle you to rest on your
> laurels. You have to keep working at it, and keep working at it.
> Whatever was done well in the past, it is no reason to now act abhorently
> and kill innocent civilians.
>
You are so holier than thou its not funny Mr "Bradshaw"
Where was the UN and the great power of Federal Europe in attempting to foil
the terrorists ?
Too busy making laws deciding what colour bananas are allowed to be in
Europe ?
Pathetic.
Jean Guernon
J.
Joseph Bradshaw a écrit :
gutrench
> > > No, we are under God's law, but as the only remaining superpower in the
> > > world, we DO have responsibilities to the civilized world to make sure
> that
> > > militant Islam ceases to threaten the civilized world.
> > >
> > America is no superpower, it is in decline, its decline can be
> > measured in its total lack of morals.
>
> We have better morals than you Muslims and had to free the Afghan people
> from your vicious oppression. Now they dance with joy in the streets, and
> kiss the America flag.
>
those, who almost wiped out the native americans and called them
barbarians.
The christian whites then proceeded to give them a new haircut called
scalping, How much did you christians barbarians give those who
brought back native american scalps, if history serves me 5 dollars
was the price tag, or was it 1 dollar.
Is it the same way you gloat and show glee when muslim children are
murdered by your christian president. You seem to throw these pre
recorded images in the face of Muslims, but this is one of your
sentences
'Killing Taliban and Al Qaida is not "damage", it is "medicine".'
This shows the depth of depravity and satanic nature of your mental
state. Actually, it is quite similar to the Christian Germans, circa
1933 - 1945, when they used the same medicine to kill 6 000 000 +
jews, they too branded them terrorists.
As for your statement that Afghan are now free, where did you get
this, from your censored press. If this is the case this statement of
yours and any others you make can be dismissed, out of hand, for the
propoganda it si
> > You appear to be a Zionist funded heathen.
>
> No, a self-sufficcient Christain.
>
> > The fear of Islam
>
Actually, you stopped being self sufficient when you admitted 2
points.
One that you were a christian, which has made and created the trinity
concept, which is not even in the bible.
Secondly that you were an American, which just means that you are a
muppet.
> We do not fear militant Islam, but are disgusted with its evil and therefore
> will destroy it.
>
No, what you destroy are little babies, what you are disgusted by is
the fact that your faith, is based on several lies.
1. Trinity, no proof of this exist in the Bible.
2. You don't believe in the Bible.
3. You don't follow Christ.
4. Jesus is God.
However, you final point in your sentence is the most telling, that
you will destroy or kill those who believe different too, you. These
are your true colours, you are a pretend moderate, but in reality you
are that christian german, who murder 6 000 000 + jews.
As I have mentioned before American don't believe in freedom or
justice, they are barbaric and heinous peoples.
> > and its truth,
>
I like this bit the best, you are disgusted because you think it is
evil and that you will destroy it and its......
Fruedian slip maybe.
> The folly and the hate of Islam is clear for all to see.
>
Just read your own reply, you think Islam is evil and you wish that
they should be wiped out.
Did you know that christian germans thought the same about jews, and
then murdered 6 000 000 + of them.
Your right one can clearly see who is full of hate, what did you say
again you are a full of shit christian.
> > is measured by the underhand and rather barbaric methods being
> > used to suppress it.
>
> We will bomb your Muslim terrorists until they are all dead.
>
Again, what muslim terrorist, the Afghani babies your government just
bombed into thousands of bits.
> > Why is it that people like you, keep on forgetting that German
> > christian killed 6 million Jews.
>
> It is we great Christians in America who destroyed Nazi Germany and bombed
> Japan into submission. Now they have reformed themselves, thanks to our
> leadership. The same will happen in the barbaric Muslim world, and we will
> FORCE you to beat your weapons into plows.
>
Actually you did not. They have reformed themselves, only problem is
now you have taken on the mantel of the fourth reich.
As for this rather fancifull proposition of yours, the only thing I
can see are Afghani babies bones having a fuckoff, American gas pipe
being built over the top of them.
I am sure you think the price was worth paying, as your post clearly
show you have lost touch with reality, what am I saying you lost touch
with reality, as soon as you admitted to being a heathen christian.
> > Is it because zionist, agents like
> > yourself ...
>
> God Bless Israel. You can't touch Israel because Israel is protected by the
> ALmight God. And it really angers you, doesn't it?
>
> Enjoy! Because there ain't a damn thing you can do about it.
>
Not really, it saddens me to see, a person frothing at the mouth,
knowing that he support a regime, that murders, children and babies.
It saddens me that vermin like you exist, but what to expect from
people like you, you are a christian, it is your tradition to support
the oppressor.
> > > It is nice that the UN and NATO unanimously backs the US War on
> Terrorism,
> > > but even if they didn't we have the responsibility to stop militant
> Islam.
> > >
> > Actually, the only other partner in this War against ....
>
> Everyone supports us, even the Afghan people who KISSED the American flag
> when the Taliban were destroyed.
>
Jumping up and down with glee, confirming again that happy clappy
christian are in reality happy I have the clap, because the priest
just showed me heaven, barbarians. In reality you are a good advert
for Islam.
> > the Poor and non-christians/zionists, ...
>
> The terrorists aren't poor ... they have sugar daddy Osama, or at least the
> y did until America came and kicked his wicked Muslim ass!
>
Jumping up and down with glee.....christians sure are babaric.
> > will go down in history as the greatest crime
> > against humanity the world has ever known.
>
> The world cheers America's War against Terrorism and rejoices with each new
> militant Muslim death.
>
> Hallelujah!!
>
Yeah that is right christian american jacob t, targeting of civilians
and murder babies, you sure taught us militants a lesson, and let me
thank you from the bottome of heart.
> > You might have won the battle, but you have already lost the war.
>
> We have one the battle, but haven't even warmed up yet.
>
> > The same way Christians Germans saw the murdering of 6 000 000 + jews
> > as medicine. Interesting Jacob T.
>
> Christian America stopped criminal Hitler, not helped him, and he was no
> Christian.
>
Really, is that why it took you 2 years before you joined the war,
actually it was 3 years before you entered the european theatre,
damned any later you could have saved some more. Damned you
christians are full of it, but hey you have the trinity, which is not
in the bible, you have don't follow the bible and you like killing
people who don't follow your faith.
No, no, let us get back to the bit where I started with, damned you
christian are full of it, your kind are responsible for murdering 6
000 000 + jews, it took you 3 years before you entered the war, then
you want to take credit for it too, I think the word delusional comes
to mind Mr T. What's even worse is in order allay your guilt for your
crime, you then go and help the white zionist scum, ethnically cleanse
750 000 palestinians from their homeland.
Wierd that Christian white Germany, murders 6 000 000+ jews, and the
in return, several million arabs are made ethnically cleansed out of
their homeland. Hey with the help of the Americans.
Why did you not give the fuckers a bit of Germany, that would have
been the fair result. Is it because you christians, would have been
tempted to kill them again.
> Now you Muslims should kill your own criminal murderers instead of waiting
> for the great USA to do it.
>
> > Just like 6 000 000 + jews who were gased at the hands of Christian
> > Germans. Interesting.
>
> Christian America stopped criminal Hitler, not helped him, and he was no
> Christian.
>
OK, for arguments sake he was not, but German was and these christians
helped to murder 6 000 000 + jews, the Germans got rewarded and the
Palestinians, got ethnically cleansed, this must be the much lauded
christian charity.
Oh, before you say how germany has paid money, Palestinians, have paid
for your actions by the blood of their children.
> Now you Muslims should kill your own criminal murderers instead of waiting
> for the great USA to do it.
>
> > > Face it ... militant Islam is now in decline!!!
> >
> > I notice that you take the posters message out of the original thread
> > and then replied to it.
>
> No, I just tailor the title to fit the content.
>
No, like all your type, you lie and gloat over death of innocent
peoples.
> > Very clever, interesting that you need to do this,
>
> Not clever, just more focused.
>
> > the original post
> > was under the subject heading
> >
> > 'Killing Poor People Is No Problem - US Policy'
>
> And that title itself was in error.
>
I see now you have a problem with people practicing free speech, you
see the need to alter the context, so as best to suit you warped sense
of right. I would never have guesed you were a fundeMENTAL christian.
> > There is no such thing as militant Islam,
>
> Sure there is .. we just killed thousands of murdering Taliban Muslims, and
> will kill tousands more.
>
> Get used to it.
>
> > but from your replies in
> > this post I see that your bigotry and racism have reached a new level
> > of rabidness.
>
> I am rabidly against racism and bigotry and defend liberation, freedom and
> truth.
>
> > From your post, you are a white Zionist Scumbag, but I could be wrong.
>
> You are wrong as usual.
>
> > I am sure you will confirm my hunch, by posting another crass erply.
>
> No, I will just correct the numerous errors and lies you just posted.
You did not dissapoint, damned you militant christians are so
predictable.
Get over this, you fear Islam, hence your need to murder muslims, I
find people like you are the best adverts for Islam and I thank you,
please keep up the good work.
Daylight
> In article <70ceae71.02010...@posting.google.com>, daylig...@yahoo.com (Daylight) wrote:
> >It has been reported by many news agencies that the US airforces
> >attacked a village yesterday and killed over one hundred civilians in
> >the village. One of these reports is on the following link at the UK
> >newspaper, the Times.
>
> So? They attacked their own troops, too. Stuff like that happens every time
They attack everything except Osama bin Laden and other Al-Qaeda
leaders. Osama and all other leaders are still alive. The US leaders
say they will get him. But I don't think they will until he makes the
US ashes.
Remember that he is not beating the US with ordinary weapons. He is
beating the US with his brain and undiscovered weapons, the easy and
destructive weapons. So let the US keep killing the Afghan civilians
to give him enough excuses when he strikes back.
Adolf Hitler Jr.
> Now I am not writing this article to complain about this dirty US act.
> This is a standard US policy and will never change. I am just
> wondering about the international human right organizations. Where are
[...]
Just a quote:
"You have your rights but we have the weapons." Adolf Hitler
Does that answer your question?
qo|op
news:589d9550.02010...@posting.google.com...
Not that it would do much good to point out to you, a murderer and
terrorist supporter, that it was not the US that was oppressing Afghanistan
people. It was your fellow muslims oppressing your fellow muslims. Just as
you want to oppress your fellow muslims.
So how do you feel about your mother?
Kinda like you Muslims, eh?
>
> No, no, let us get back to the bit where I started with, damned you
> christian are full of it, your kind are responsible for murdering 6
> 000 000 + jews, it took you 3 years before you entered the war, then
> you want to take credit for it too, I think the word delusional comes
> to mind Mr T. What's even worse is in order allay your guilt for your
> crime, you then go and help the white zionist scum, ethnically cleanse
> 750 000 palestinians from their homeland.
I don't know where you blithering idiots get that christians murdered 6
million Jews. It was Nazis. Nazis that oppressed and murdered people -
very similar to your Taliban has-beens.
>
> Wierd that Christian white Germany, murders 6 000 000+ jews, and the
> in return, several million arabs are made ethnically cleansed out of
> their homeland. Hey with the help of the Americans.
>
> Why did you not give the fuckers a bit of Germany, that would have
> been the fair result. Is it because you christians, would have been
> tempted to kill them again.
>
> > Now you Muslims should kill your own criminal murderers instead of
waiting
> > for the great USA to do it.
> >
> > > Just like 6 000 000 + jews who were gased at the hands of Christian
> > > Germans. Interesting.
> >
> > Christian America stopped criminal Hitler, not helped him, and he was no
> > Christian.
> >
> OK, for arguments sake he was not, but German was and these christians
> helped to murder 6 000 000 + jews, the Germans got rewarded and the
> Palestinians, got ethnically cleansed, this must be the much lauded
> christian charity.
Germany got rewarded? Nazi Germany got obliterated you babbling fool. They
got it from all sides in the end if you would study history instead of
making it up. Every city was nearly completely demolished. And they got
everything they deserved in that regard. As for their reconstruction and
path back to civilization, the US was careful not to repeat mistakes made
after WWI which directly led to WWII.
>
> Oh, before you say how germany has paid money, Palestinians, have paid
> for your actions by the blood of their children.
The Palestinians got a raw deal. But their hope does not lie in terrorism
against Isreal. Only their complete demise lies in that direction.
And BTW, it is not Christians that have vowed to kill all the Jews - it is
you and your fellow Muslims.
>
> > Now you Muslims should kill your own criminal murderers instead of
waiting
> > for the great USA to do it.
> >
> > > > Face it ... militant Islam is now in decline!!!
> > >
> > > I notice that you take the posters message out of the original thread
> > > and then replied to it.
> >
> > No, I just tailor the title to fit the content.
> >
> No, like all your type, you lie and gloat over death of innocent
> peoples.
And you support the murder of innocent peoples.
>
> > > Very clever, interesting that you need to do this,
> >
> > Not clever, just more focused.
> >
> > > the original post
> > > was under the subject heading
> > >
> > > 'Killing Poor People Is No Problem - US Policy'
> >
> > And that title itself was in error.
> >
> I see now you have a problem with people practicing free speech, you
> see the need to alter the context, so as best to suit you warped sense
> of right. I would never have guesed you were a fundeMENTAL christian.
Who is interfering with your free speech? You've said your say. He said
his say. And I am having my say. That is truly how free speech works. You
have the right to spew your hatred and lies. And we have the right to call
you on them and tell the same audience the truth.
>
> > > There is no such thing as militant Islam,
> >
> > Sure there is .. we just killed thousands of murdering Taliban Muslims,
and
> > will kill tousands more.
> >
> > Get used to it.
> >
> > > but from your replies in
> > > this post I see that your bigotry and racism have reached a new level
> > > of rabidness.
> >
> > I am rabidly against racism and bigotry and defend liberation, freedom
and
> > truth.
> >
> > > From your post, you are a white Zionist Scumbag, but I could be wrong.
> >
> > You are wrong as usual.
> >
> > > I am sure you will confirm my hunch, by posting another crass erply.
> >
> > No, I will just correct the numerous errors and lies you just posted.
>
> You did not dissapoint, damned you militant christians are so
> predictable.
>
> Get over this, you fear Islam, hence your need to murder muslims, I
> find people like you are the best adverts for Islam and I thank you,
> please keep up the good work.
We've no need to murder anyone. We've a need to defend ourselves and we
will. In all of your ranting here, I see no mention of the murders that
occurred on September 11, 2001. Note, this was almost 4 months ago - not 60
years ago or 500 years ago. These 3000 people were innocent. They had
nothing to do with Palistinians or Isreal or even you. Yet I am sure that
you hate them, as I am sure that you hate me. You are merely a hateful
person. Anyway, their murder was planned and conducted by your fellow
Muslims and condoned by you I am sure. The bastards that perpetrated this
evil deed are already dead. However, the ones that planned and financed
these evil doings are be hunted right now. It really matters little to
American people that they were Muslims. What matters is they are murderers
and criminals and that they will see justice. If they were martians, we
would be figuring out how to get to Mars and find them there. Get it? I
truly doubt it.
schooley
Islam is growing wrote:
> Power of Islam
<snip diarhea>
The lies and blasphemy of Islam:
http://schooley.home.texas.net/Terror.html
Remember, the last word in Mohammad is MAD!
GS
Woodswun
The one tucking his tail under his legs and running for his life is hardly the
one "beating" anyone, and he doesn't give a hoot about whether Afghan
civilians are killed or not - he actually seems to relish their deaths. He's a
sick, evil pervert who "marries" 13-year-old kids and abandonned his family in
danger's way to save his own pathetic backside - pure evil.
Woods
<Doug
I = I, Osama Bin Laden, declare a jihad against the west
S = Start the jihad
L = Launch commercial aircraft against the WTC and Pentagon
A = Al Qaeda is responsible for L under orders from Osama Bin Laden
M = Murder of innocent international civilians completed as planned
Islam is growing wrote:
> Power of Islam
>
> Muslim convert takes on leadership role
>
> http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/1213/p16s1-lire.html
<snip>
<Doug
I = I, Osama Bin Laden, declare a jihad against the west
S = Start the jihad
L = Launch commercial aircraft against the WTC and Pentagon
A = Al Qaeda is responsible for L under orders from Osama Bin Laden
M = Murder of innocent international civilians completed as planned
Islam is growing wrote:
> Power of Islam
>
> Muslim convert takes on leadership role
>
> http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/1213/p16s1-lire.html
<snip>
Joseph Bradshaw
civilians?
Yes I do. They class it as revenge for innocents killed on 9/11.
> If that were the case bloodthirsty Americans would just use nukes.
That would be too obvious, and invite a nuclear retaliation.
> The U.S. does not want to kill innocents.
If that were the case, it would only ever use ground troops, and never
aerial bombardment.
> But, I daresay the total of them killed will be far less than what the
Taliban did to their own.
Like you care!
> It's a good thing others don't think your way...
Many others do think my way. It's just you and a few other small-minded
idiots that need to wake up and get out more.
> or Belgium would still be under control of the Nazis.
What has WWII got to do with nowadays events? It finished 57 years ago.
Well before you were even born. D'oh! There's one born every minute,
isn't there.
> No matter what you think, there are bad people in the world.
I have never said there weren't.
> They have to be delt with.
But without having to kill innocents.
> Some of them hide behind innocents.
Yes they do.
> I am sure U.S. targeters feel bad for that.
Why? Do you know any? All I've spoken to couldn't care less. They
consider them to be objects, not worthy of attention. Much the same
thinking was prevalent during the slave trade.
> Do you think the terrorists feel anything but joy over their victims?
I really don't know. But there is no need to stoop to their level.
> The U.N. has done a smashing good job in Africa, former Yugoslavia,
Afganistan,
> etc. etc. etc.
Thankyou.
> What is a "prat"?
Is English your first language?
> "They" attack America for the same reason "they" attacked Greece, Egypt
Rome
and other civilizations.
Woah. Steady on now. What attacks on Greece, Egypt and Rome are you
talking about?
> "They" are groups of people who maintain control by
> keeping their subjects ignorant and hungry. "They" claim all of their
problems
> are the fault of the prosperous and not their own ignorance. America
shows
> people that there is a better way and that frightens those who rule by
keeping
> their people ignorant.
But much the same brain-washing goes on the US, you just don't see it as
such because you're subject to it, and it's done more subtly.
> How many years did it take for a majority of Europe to agree to use the
Euro?
About one week to agree around a table actually, but ten years for it to
come into force if that's what you mean.
> What was the last earth shattering devlopment to come out of Europe?
How about the Euro on Monday.
> The U.S. may drop the ball once in a while, read that as Afganistan after
1989, but who is doing more?
You could just have left well alone. American arrogance is the main
problem. You think that because your society is highly developed in
comparison to a place like Afghanistan, that they must change to be like
you, otherwise their society is 'invalid'.
> I can aknowledge that the U.S. has made mistakes. It looks like you
cannot give the U.S. credit for anything to make this a better world.
"I give credit for everything the US has done good in the world". There,
I've said it.
Now let's give 'debit' to all the bad things it's done!
I am merely asking for a trial for the deaths of the innocent civilians.
What's wrong with that?
Nightlite
Lets start with trials for the actions at Dresden and Hamburg first shall we
?
Woodswun
>> Do you actualy think U.S. militery planners are trying to kill innocent
>civilians?
>
>Yes I do. They class it as revenge for innocents killed on 9/11.
>
>
>> If that were the case bloodthirsty Americans would just use nukes.
>
>That would be too obvious, and invite a nuclear retaliation.
>
>
>> The U.S. does not want to kill innocents.
>
>If that were the case, it would only ever use ground troops, and never
>aerial bombardment.
Rule number one is to protect your own troops. While there is no desire to
kill innocent civilians, you sure as heck do NOT place your own troops in
danger in order to protect any civilians (including your own).
OTOH - had the Taliban had any consideration for their civilians whatsoever,
they would have handed over bin Laden and la qeada rather than risk errant
missiles and bombs killing their civilian population. Obviously, the Taliban
cared a lot less for the Afghan people than the U.S. military, who would have
obliterated all the cities if they didn't care about the civlians. That says
a lot about both.
Of course, if you were capable of connecting dots, or the slightest bit
interested in doing so, you wouldn't be spewing your disconnected idiocies,
right?
Woods
Nightlite
news:%PEY7.32343$ll6.4...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> civilians?
>
> Yes I do. They class it as revenge for innocents killed on 9/11.
>
>
> > If that were the case bloodthirsty Americans would just use nukes.
>
> That would be too obvious, and invite a nuclear retaliation.
>
>
> > The U.S. does not want to kill innocents.
>
> If that were the case, it would only ever use ground troops, and never
> aerial bombardment.
>
How does using only ground troops eliminate civilian casualties ?
>
> > But, I daresay the total of them killed will be far less than what the
> Taliban did to their own.
>
> Like you care!
>
Actually the UN is looking more a Terrorist supporting organization every
time I read a post from you.
Maybe you would be a little bit more pissed off if they drove plane into the
UN Building in NYC or even into the European parliament in Brussels ?
From your POV people who work at the UN are much more worthy than some
Americans that you can use your smear tactics on.
> > It's a good thing others don't think your way...
>
> Many others do think my way. It's just you and a few other small-minded
> idiots that need to wake up and get out more.
>
>
> or Belgium would still be under control of the Nazis.
>
> What has WWII got to do with nowadays events? It finished 57 years
ago.
> Well before you were even born. D'oh! There's one born every minute,
> isn't there.
>
Ask the relatives of the civilians YOUR country killed in the Firestorms of
Dresden whether they minded being incinerated.
War isn't pretty, go make some Peace signs you weasel
>
> > No matter what you think, there are bad people in the world.
>
> I have never said there weren't.
>
>
> > They have to be delt with.
>
> But without having to kill innocents.
>
> > Some of them hide behind innocents.
>
> Yes they do.
>
> > I am sure U.S. targeters feel bad for that.
>
> Why? Do you know any? All I've spoken to couldn't care less. They
> consider them to be objects, not worthy of attention. Much the same
> thinking was prevalent during the slave trade.
>
>
> > Do you think the terrorists feel anything but joy over their victims?
>
> I really don't know. But there is no need to stoop to their level.
>
>
> > The U.N. has done a smashing good job in Africa, former Yugoslavia,
> Afganistan,
> > etc. etc. etc.
>
> Thankyou.
>
>
> > What is a "prat"?
>
> Is English your first language?
British slang is hardly universal, however as far as Prats go you are
looking like one to me Mr 'Bradshaw'.
> > The U.S. may drop the ball once in a while, read that as Afganistan
after
> 1989, but who is doing more?
>
> You could just have left well alone. American arrogance is the main
> problem. You think that because your society is highly developed in
> comparison to a place like Afghanistan, that they must change to be like
> you, otherwise their society is 'invalid'.
>
>
"Left well enough alone"
Does that mean you support the training of thousands of Islamic militants
who wish to kill you and thousands of others ?
You really are quite dim aren't you Mr 'Bradshaw'
The UN left well enough alone in Rwanda pretty well and East Timor didn't
they Mr 'Bradshaw' ?
That cost over a million humans their life, what did YOU do to prevent those
innocents deaths ?
Who is going on trial for the massacres in East timor, it should be the
fucking UN as they did nothing but say please don't do that.
The Brits also sold them the airpower to do it all that much faster in East
timor, who in Britain went on trial for that ?
Ever seen any footage of the thousands of macheted bodies lying in heaps Mr
'Bradshaw' ?
Now go play your fiddle some more while rome continues to burn, as that is
the UN net effect in stopping state sponsored mass murders.
<Doug
that the chap is a bit barmy and pretends to care about the people of
Afghanistan while he is obviously only concerned with the denigration of the
U.S. He is probably still cheesed off about the revolution and the cock up
with Northern Ireland.
Since he arrogantly failed to explain; 'prat' is a mildly insulting name for
someone.
<snip his beastly codswallop>
John LaVoy
Joseph Bradshaw wrote:
> > This one was too fun to ignore. Bring it on. Bring your army to get our
> > leaders. While you are at it round up all the terrorists around the world
> to
> > be your allies. An enemy in the open on our turf = biggest rout in
> history =
> > safer planet for the rest of us.
>
> Lol. You're a prat, aren't you? I'm not a terrorist. I work for UN in
> Brussels, but I just happen to disagree with mass-murder; whether it be
> terrorist mass-murder, or American military mass-murder. Actually
> working for UN is one of the best ways of putting my views forward, and
> actively enforcing what I believe. I have a (small) power that will stop
> your troops from going too far - hopefully.
>
> > In only 200 years America has gone from a frontier colony the the greatest
> nation the planet has ever seen.
>
> Says who? Self-praise is no praise! If you're so great, why did they
> just try and destroy you and everything you stand for,
Because they are religious lunatics who have lost touch with reality. Anybody
who would do what they did is certifiable.
> If you are so
> great, people around the whole world would love and embrace your ideology
They do. There are a lot more people trying to get in to the US than trying to
get into any other nation. WHat's the net inmigration of civilians to
Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Iran. Most of the rest of the world would be
delighted to live in the US, or to have their nations be more like the US.
> -
> but instead they choose to attack andf destroy it. Can't be that good, can
> it!
You are deluded. I hate to say it, but you should not be working for the UN.
That orgnaization has a tiny bit better reputation right now than it has had in
the recent past, and you'd hate to be the cause of another loss.
JCozmo
John LaVoy
Joseph Bradshaw wrote:
You are using the wrong measure. It isn't a question of what is justified or
not. IT is a question of focusing your approbation at the people who deserve
it. The US forces did NOT kill innocent civilians intentionally. That you
think they did is just more evidence of your delusional state. Innocent
people did die in Afghanistan, but you should focus your reaction on those who
initiated the violence. The US had no choice to proceed as it did and the
guilt for that shoudl be assigned directly to Bin Laden, who made it a point
to hide rather than fight.
JCozmo
no...@noyb.com says...
>
Joseph Bradshaw,
Thank you for your detailed response. We have established many things now.
-you are a liar. If a person doing the targeting in Afganistan admitted to
not caring about civilian casualties that would have been headline news all
over the world and that person would have been releived. Personally I do care.
I think the Taliban should have been overthrown before they destroyed the
statues of Budha.
The U.N. itself admits they could have done a better job in their most recent
peacekeeping and relief efforts. If you worked for the U.N. you would know and
admit that.
-you are uneducated. If you were you would know about the great ancient
civilizations. And, why they were attacked.
Those who do not learn the lessons of history are destined to repeat them.
You are probably part of the crowd that complains that the U.S. never does
enough to help the 3rd world. You want it both ways.
-you are a cospiracy geek. In America, as in most of Europe, we can pick our
news outlets. Kind of hard to be brainwashed when we can watch Al-Jazeera.
You probably sit in a Cyber Cafe', waiting on your next government handout,
reading fringe publications, (talk about being brainwashed), ranting in many
newsgroups about how the world has treated you wrong because you are not rich
and famous.
Congradulations! You are on of the few here that are so moronic that you have
been added to my kill filter. I debated on whether to use the word "kill" in a
sentence referring to you. Figuring, probably correctly, that you will use it
to further your drivel that Americans are bloodthirsty.
Also, my apologies to other Europeans. I did not mean to imply that Europe is
stagnant. Only that it seems to have fallen behind in changing the world.
Though the reason for this newsgroup is tragic a lot of the information and
discussion going on here has been enjoyable. Even terrorist sympathizers and
the "Blame America Fisrt" posters have been a learning tool.
JC
qo|op
> > Still in any cases, the only ones responsible for collateral damage and
> > casualty, when the rules of engagement are followed, are the terrorists.
> > And that's that.
>
> Great! We'll have the American military up for the damage it's terrorism
> has done in revenge then. Nice one, you make my job much easier.
>
> The deaths of innocents can never ever be justified!
So why do you try to justify 9-11?
CluePatrol
> yourself are a bunch of whores.
And you forget that the Arab nations were allied with Hitler. During the
same period, over 1 million Jews were killed or expelled from Arab lands,
and their property confiscated by the Arab states.
Arabs can clean up their own barbaric so-called civilization before
criticizing the U.S., Europe, or Israel.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2002/01/02/MN70515.DTL
gutrench
you are willing to sink to any level to oppress other people.
Secondly, I don't particularly like the Taliban and don't support them
at all, and secondly I don't support terrorism, seeing as I
continually condemn Christian America and Zionist Israel and I condemn
the WTC attack too, in equal meassure.
At this moment in time in light of the fact that Christian America
just wiped out a whole village, which included babies, killing moe
than 107 civilians on purpose your point is rather negated by facts.
Actually, the Taliban were the government by conquest, the same way
the Northern Alliance and America are now the government of
Afghanistan by conquest.
However, by your support of your terrorist regime that is America and
Israel, you are by mere implication a murderer and supporter of
terrorism, both these nations use military hardware to kill children.
So, you and your fellow supporters are nothing but heinous inhuman
scum.
Actually, you the American, psychi is based on murder, hence your need
to have the right to carry guns. Your nation was created by murdering
and the marginalising the real inhabitants, you support a nation
Zionist Israel, which to was created on the same premise.
As for the 11/09, who gives a fuck it happened get over it, before
that your nation was responsible for the murder of 500000 Iraqi
civilians over the last 10 years and the continued murder of 5000
children, through sanctions and bombing, UNICEF figures. I notice that
you do not say anthing against these barbaric acts. This was not 4
months ago, actually this is still happening.
Christians were responsible for the murder of 6 000 000 jews. Ariel
Sharon was responsible for he Sabira and Chatilla massacres, America
bombed the living crap out of Vietnam, using banned chemical weapons
which too this day, kill and maim Vietnamese peoples. America is
bombing civilian target in Afghanistan.
What's funny is that you want us to remember this one incident and
forget the hundreds that America and its Zionist Scum friend have and
are carrying out until this day.
You forget and applaud the complete wiping out of a whole village, and
the killing of children and babies within that village, this did not
happen four months ago either, this happened just a couple of days
back.
There is no justice, by the simple fact those allegedly involved are
Saudi and Egyptian citizen, none of them are Afghani. DO YOU GET
THAT, I doubt.
However, your last sentence in your pathetic inept reply was the one
about martian, because I truly believe, that if your government told
you it was the martians, you would believe it so. This is the
sentence of one who is not in control of his faculties.
Basically, I am fed up with your barbarity and continued whinging,
about how hard you have been done by. You know what go fuck yourself.
Sandar
> "Jacob T." <Telli...@worldnet.att.net> schreef in bericht
> news:eioY7.319204$W8.12...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> > Face it ... militant Islam is now in decline!!!
>
> I don`t know, I might use them again , they are so good
> followers.
I love this one ankhor
qo|op
Oh, I am oppressing you? You don't know what oppression is then. Among the
other things that you blither on about. This is actually a little exercise
in freedom - not oppression. As for your not killing anyone, I have only
the word of an insane fanatic (you) about that. But I did not assert that
you killed anyone, I said you support murderers and terrorists and you
clearly do.
> Secondly, I don't particularly like the Taliban and don't support them
> at all, and secondly I don't support terrorism, seeing as I
> continually condemn Christian America and Zionist Israel and I condemn
> the WTC attack too, in equal meassure.
Ah, but you like Bin Laden do you not?
> At this moment in time in light of the fact that Christian America
> just wiped out a whole village, which included babies, killing moe
> than 107 civilians on purpose your point is rather negated by facts.
And whose word are you taking on that? Did you see it? What is your proof
that it was on purpose? You really do not know, do you? Well I know that
the US military does not intentionally kill civilians. I been there dude.
Its part of the training and US soldiers will not do it. An order to kill a
civilian is illegal and would not be obeyed - little less 107 of them.
Unlike the training that Bin Laden gives to his saps. Most of what they are
taught is purely how to kill civilians.
> Actually, the Taliban were the government by conquest, the same way
> the Northern Alliance and America are now the government of
> Afghanistan by conquest.
The difference, however, is that the US truly did not want anything to do
with Afghanistan. It just happens to be where your buddy Bin Laden was
being harbored.
And as for the Northern Alliance ruling, that is no longer the case since
the interim government has taken power. The ruler at the moment is a
Pashtun as the Taliban were/are.
> However, by your support of your terrorist regime that is America and
> Israel, you are by mere implication a murderer and supporter of
> terrorism, both these nations use military hardware to kill children.
> So, you and your fellow supporters are nothing but heinous inhuman
> scum.
Hey asshole, if the US and Isreal wanted to kill children, you would have
none (that is if you have any). You probably wouldn't even be around as we
would have got you when you was a child. You are just not being realistic.
You are irrational in fact.
Is that right? LOL I know many Americans that have never even held a gun,
little less carried one. Not everyone in America is pro-gun.
> and the marginalising the real inhabitants, you support a nation
> Zionist Israel, which to was created on the same premise.
Actually, the US was created by succeeding from Britain. And, yes, the
American Indian got fucked. As did the Palestinians. They both did not
realize the forces arrayed against them. Isreal was born of survivors of
the Jewish Holocaust that you incessantly harp on about. You conveniently
ignore that little fact. The tide of times was to support them after what
they had been through. And they actually took it upon themselves to create
Isreal. The US actually had very little to do with it.
> As for the 11/09, who gives a fuck it happened get over it, before
We'll get over it when those responsible are brought to justice and the
threat of any similar incident is erradicated.
> that your nation was responsible for the murder of 500000 Iraqi
> civilians over the last 10 years and the continued murder of 5000
> children, through sanctions and bombing, UNICEF figures. I notice that
The US is not responsible for this. It is Iraq itself. It is their insane
pursuit of weapons of mass destruction and their continual threat to their
neighbors that is to blame.
> you do not say anthing against these barbaric acts. This was not 4
> months ago, actually this is still happening.
And your assertion that it is the fault of the US is a baldface lie.
> Christians were responsible for the murder of 6 000 000 jews. Ariel
> Sharon was responsible for he Sabira and Chatilla massacres, America
> bombed the living crap out of Vietnam, using banned chemical weapons
> which too this day, kill and maim Vietnamese peoples. America is
> bombing civilian target in Afghanistan.
They are not bombing civilian targets in Afghanistan dude. Vietnam was a
big mistake. One where the US learned many lessons. The foremost of which
was that civilians are not targetted.
Christians are not responsible for the Jewish Holocaust. Insane Nazis in
the quest for their superior Aryan race were responsible for it.
> What's funny is that you want us to remember this one incident and
> forget the hundreds that America and its Zionist Scum friend have and
> are carrying out until this day.
What's funny is your ignorance. It is definitely hard to believe.
> You forget and applaud the complete wiping out of a whole village, and
> the killing of children and babies within that village, this did not
> happen four months ago either, this happened just a couple of days
> back.
If you think this was intentional, you are so very wrong. But I know this
is not the basis for your hatred of the US and me. You hated us way before
this happened. And it look slike to me because you really don't know the
facts.
> There is no justice, by the simple fact those allegedly involved are
> Saudi and Egyptian citizen, none of them are Afghani. DO YOU GET
> THAT, I doubt.
I get that those involved were hiding out and being trained in Afghanistan
and being harbored by the Taliban. I get that real well. If you do not
wish to be treated like a terrorist and murderer, I suggest that you do not
offer them solice. This is yet another of your twisted swipes at
propagandizing. Their original citizenship is irrelevent to where they are
holed up and think they have safe harbour. Or is that beyond your
comprehension?
> However, your last sentence in your pathetic inept reply was the one
> about martian, because I truly believe, that if your government told
> you it was the martians, you would believe it so. This is the
> sentence of one who is not in control of his faculties.
I know well that if your blasphemous Quran said god was a martian, you would
believe it. I cannot for a second see how any religious person can take the
word of a man over the word of God. The Bible is the word of God. The
Quran is the word of a man. Which do you really think is the truth?
> Basically, I am fed up with your barbarity and continued whinging,
> about how hard you have been done by. You know what go fuck yourself.
LOL I am laughing at you throwing your tantrum because I refuse to believe
your lies. You can tell your lies as much as you want and swear by Allah as
many times as you want, but your lies will still be only lies.
Mohammed Ali
Jacob T.
> > We have better morals than you Muslims and had to free the Afghan people
> > from your vicious oppression. Now they dance with joy in the streets,
and
> > kiss the America flag.
> >
> Some of he stuff you have posted represents the gutter morals of
> those, who almost wiped out the native americans and called them
> barbarians.
>
> The christian whites then proceeded to give them a new haircut called
> scalping, How much did you christians barbarians give those who
> brought back native american scalps, if history serves me 5 dollars
> was the price tag, or was it 1 dollar.
Now that we tamed the Native A, they are much more happier and never had it
better.
> Is it the same way you gloat and show glee when muslim children are
> murdered by your christian president. You seem to throw these pre
> recorded images in the face of Muslims, but this is one of your
> sentences
>
> 'Killing Taliban and Al Qaida is not "damage", it is "medicine".'
>
> This shows the depth of depravity and satanic nature of your mental
> state ...
Yeah, we don't like terrorist and will kill them all.
> As for your statement that Afghan are now free, where did you get
> this, from your censored press
No, from Afghans themselves, dancing with glee in the streets in the streets
and buying American videos and music now that they have the freedom to do
so.
Since there aren't any Taliban around in Kabul to brutalize the populace, I
hear that TV sales are skyrocketing.
> > > You appear to be a Zionist funded heathen.
> >
> > No, a self-sufficcient Christain.
> >
> > > The fear of Islam
> >
> Actually, you stopped being self sufficient when you admitted 2
> points.
>
> One that you were a christian, which has made and created the trinity
> concept, which is not even in the bible.
Sure it is when you look at the whole Bible rather than just the parts you
like.
> Secondly that you were an American, which just means that you are a
> muppet.
No, we are the leaders of the Free World.
Are you jealous that the world follows us instead of your ridiculous
"Islamic Law"?
Even Afghanistan is now free of your Islamic brutality and oppression.
> > We do not fear militant Islam, but are disgusted with its evil and
therefore
> > will destroy it.
> >
> No, what you destroy are little babies, what you are disgusted by is
> the fact that your faith, is based on several lies.
No, we target Al Qaida while militant Islam targets babies and pizza
parlors.
> However, you final point in your sentence is the most telling, that
> you will destroy or kill those who believe different too, you.
No, just terrorists.
> As I have mentioned before American don't believe in freedom ...
Yes we dowhich is why we freed the Afghans from Muslim brutality.
> I like this bit the best, you are disgusted because you think it is
> evil and that you will destroy it and its......
Everyone is disgusted with Muslim terrorism and the US is showing the world
how to deal with it.
> Fruedian slip maybe.
No, I proudly proclaim my hatred of Muslim terrorists.
> > The folly and the hate of Islam is clear for all to see.
> >
> Just read your own reply, you think Islam is evil and you wish that
> they should be wiped out.
Just the terrorrists.
> Did you know that christian germans thought the same about jews, and
> then murdered 6 000 000 + of them.
Christians stopped Hitler, while Muslims still practice his methods.
> Your right one can clearly see who is full of hate, what did you say
> again you are a full of shit christian.
No, just Christian.
> > We will bomb your Muslim terrorists until they are all dead.
> >
> Again, what muslim terrorist, the Afghani babies your government just
> bombed into thousands of bits.
Our targeting is 80% effective so we expect collateral damage. We target
terrorists but YOU target babies.
> > It is we great Christians in America who destroyed Nazi Germany and
bombed
> > Japan into submission. Now they have reformed themselves, thanks to our
> > leadership. The same will happen in the barbaric Muslim world, and we
will
> > FORCE you to beat your weapons into plows.
> >
> Actually you did not.
Yes we did.
> As for this rather fancifull proposition of yours, the only thing I
> can see are Afghani babies bones having a fuckoff, American gas pipe
> being built over the top of them.
The Afghans WANT an American gas pipe since it would be good for their
economy. The Taliban were too inbred and barbaric to realize this ... heh,
heh.
> I am sure you think the price was worth paying, as your post clearly
> show you have lost touch with reality, ...
No, we know EXACTLY what we are doing.
Your idiot Taliban who claimed to have been shooting down B-52s all over
Afghanistan and who have a plan to "break America" are the ones who don't
know what is happening.
> > Enjoy! Because there ain't a damn thing you can do about it.
> >
> Not really, it saddens me to see, a person frothing at the mouth,
> knowing that he support a regime, that murders, children and babies.
No, we target just the terrorists.
> It saddens me that vermin like you exist, but what to expect from
> people like you, you are a christian, it is your tradition to support
> the oppressor.
No, we free the oppressed and that is why they dance with joy.
> > Everyone supports us, even the Afghan people who KISSED the American
flag
> > when the Taliban were destroyed.
> >
> Jumping up and down with glee, confirming again that happy clappy
> christian are in reality happy I have the clap, because the priest
> just showed me heaven, barbarians. In reality you are a good advert
> for Islam.
No, we free people from Muslim brutaility.
> Jumping up and down with glee.....christians sure are babaric.
No, we free people from Muslim brutaility.
> > Hallelujah!!
> >
> Yeah that is right christian american jacob t, targeting of civilians
> and murder babies,
Nope, just terrorists.
> you sure taught us militants a lesson, and let me
> thank you from the bottome of heart.
You are welcome. We will be killing mnay more Muslim terrorists and are
just "warming up".
> > Christian America stopped criminal Hitler, not helped him, and he was no
> > Christian.
> >
> Really, is that why it took you 2 years before you joined the war,
> actually it was 3 years before you entered the european theatre,
Since it was a European mess, we thought we'd let them clear up the problem
by themselves but when it became apparent that the world need the USA to
save them, we stepped in.
Likewise, you inept Muslims aren't able to clean your own house of
extremists so we will gladly do it.
> damned any later you could have saved some more. Damned you
> christians are full of it, but hey you have the trinity, which is not
> in the bible,
Yes it is.
> you have don't follow the bible and you like killing
> people who don't follow your faith.
We kill terrorists.
> No, no, let us get back to the bit where I started with, damned you
> christian are full of it, your kind are responsible for murdering 6
> 000 000 + jews,
No, Hitler did it and Muslims like to emulate him.
> it took you 3 years before you entered the war, then
> you want to take credit for it too,
Since it was a European mess, we thought we'd let them clear up the problem
by themselves but when it became apparent that the world need the USA to
save them, we stepped in.
> I think the word delusional comes
> to mind Mr T. What's even worse is in order allay your guilt for your
> crime,
No, we glady killed Nazis and we gladly kill Muslim terrorists.
> you then go and help the white zionist scum, ethnically cleanse
> 750 000 palestinians from their homeland.
No, we help them protect themselves from Muslim scum who send suicide
bombers to kill babies.
> Wierd that Christian white Germany, murders 6 000 000+ jews,
No, Hitler did it and Muslims like to emulate him.
> and the
> in return, several million arabs are made ethnically cleansed out of
> their homeland. Hey with the help of the Americans.
No, we help them protect themselves from Muslim scum who send suicide
bombers to kill babies.
> Why did you not give the fuckers a bit of Germany,
Because Israel is their rightful property of the Jews.
> that would have
> been the fair result. Is it because you christians, would have been
> tempted to kill them again.
No, it is becaise Israel is their rightful property of the Jews.
> > Christian America stopped criminal Hitler, not helped him, and he was no
> > Christian.
> >
> OK, for arguments sake he was not, but German was and these christians
> helped to murder 6 000 000 + jews, the Germans got rewarded and the
> Palestinians, got ethnically cleansed, this must be the much lauded
> christian charity.
No, they forsake true CHristianity when they followed Hitler, and Muslims
like to emulate Hitler.
> Oh, before you say how germany has paid money, Palestinians, have paid
> for your actions by the blood of their children.
No, they gladly sacrifice their children "for Allah" and Palestinian mothers
love to get the "blood money" reward that Islam pays to the families of
martyrs.
> No, like all your type, you lie and gloat over death of innocent
> peoples.
No, we rejoice over the deaths of Muslim terrorists.
> I see now you have a problem with people practicing free speech,
No, I don't.
> you
> see the need to alter the context, so as best to suit you warped sense
> of right.
No, they can say what they want and I can respond as I wish. That is called
"free speech".
> I would never have guesed you were a fundeMENTAL christian.
Just Christian.
> > No, I will just correct the numerous errors and lies you just posted.
>
> You did not dissapoint, damned you militant christians are so
> predictable.
Just Christian.
> Get over this, you fear Islam,
No, but I hate Muslim terrorists.
> hence your need to murder muslims,
Just the Muslim terrorists.
> find people like you are the best adverts for Islam and I thank you,
> please keep up the good work.
You are welcome and I will.
gutrench
> > > Not that it would do much good to point out to you, a murderer and
> > > terrorist supporter, that it was not the US that was oppressing
> Afghanistan
> > > people. It was your fellow muslims oppressing your fellow muslims.
> Just as
> > > you want to oppress your fellow muslims.
> > >
> > First of all I have not killed anyone, so this accusation shows that
> > you are willing to sink to any level to oppress other people.
>
> Oh, I am oppressing you? You don't know what oppression is then. Among the
> other things that you blither on about. This is actually a little exercise
> in freedom - not oppression. As for your not killing anyone, I have only
> the word of an insane fanatic (you) about that. But I did not assert that
> you killed anyone, I said you support murderers and terrorists and you
> clearly do.
>
By making such in ignorant claim/accusation that I am a murderer, when
you know nothing of my view point, indeed is a form of oppression, you
wish to oppress my freedom of speech and viewpoint. So your opening
sentence in your post shows that your are an intellectual toad.
Now, let us take you forray into my discussion with Jacob T, I provide
hard facts that can be verified. Whereas you start of accussing me of
being a murderer, I take it that this must be the famed American
justice system, where you are presumed guilty, until proven guilty.
This mental acrobatics is used by your nation to condemn the afghans.
Now you accuse me of being an insane fanatic, in your world, a SS
officer I would presume is not.
Actually, I don't support the Taliban or Bin Laden and for your
assertion that I support murderers and terrorists can be thrown on the
junk heap, with the same myth that America is a free society. How so,
you ask, simply I have condemned the attack on the WTC buildings, I
furthermore condemn the terrorist actions of Christian America and
Zionist Israel, there now its official I don't support murderers or
terrorists.
Now do you condemn the actions of Zionist Racist Israel and Christian
America?
> > Secondly, I don't particularly like the Taliban and don't support them
> > at all, and secondly I don't support terrorism, seeing as I
> > continually condemn Christian America and Zionist Israel and I condemn
> > the WTC attack too, in equal meassure.
>
> Ah, but you like Bin Laden do you not?
>
Nope.
> > At this moment in time in light of the fact that Christian America
> > just wiped out a whole village, which included babies, killing moe
> > than 107 civilians on purpose your point is rather negated by facts.
>
> And whose word are you taking on that? Did you see it? What is your proof
> that it was on purpose? You really do not know, do you? Well I know that
> the US military does not intentionally kill civilians. I been there dude.
> Its part of the training and US soldiers will not do it. An order to kill a
> civilian is illegal and would not be obeyed - little less 107 of them.
>
Did you see that it was Arabs that flew those planes into the WTC
building, where is your proof.
See the problem we have here is you live in a state/country that
support terrorists activities, you don' have a free press. The
intellectuals amongts you are weak and pathetic.
By the way, this was on the BBC and most of the European press, it is
these peoples words I am talking about.
You have really no idea do you, of what is going on in the real world,
maybe you should leave disneyland and take a ticket to the real world.
By the way whether or not US military kills civilians or not, tell
that to the Vietnamese, the Nicaraguans, the peoples of Laos,
Cambodia, tell it to the people of Iraq and now Afghanistan, actaully
the list is endless, but what do you care, your still going to believe
in the crap that your spoonfed daily.
Too me it looks like you are just preparing yourselves, in order to
become the Fourth Reich.
> Unlike the training that Bin Laden gives to his saps. Most of what they are
> taught is purely how to kill civilians.
>
Sad, you are really pathetic and sad, CNN, ABC, BBC and any other
world media you wish to mention have agreed on the following, bin
Laden, was trained and funded by the Americans to kill Russian
soldier. See, every statement you make is a myth.
> > Actually, the Taliban were the government by conquest, the same way
> > the Northern Alliance and America are now the government of
> > Afghanistan by conquest.
>
> The difference, however, is that the US truly did not want anything to do
> with Afghanistan. It just happens to be where your buddy Bin Laden was
> being harbored.
>
You harboured the IRA and Contras, I don't see anyone bombing the
living fuck out of you. But you Americans, take it upon yourselves to
invade a sovereign nation. The sad thing is you people are supporting
a President and his cronies, who only care for themselves, this will
be proved soon as the anounce the building of a Gas Pipe line.
Unfortunately, it will then be too late for all those Afghani babies
who died just so that a few peoples your President included could make
money. Hey if your too stupid and are willing to die, then good luck
to you.
> And as for the Northern Alliance ruling, that is no longer the case since
> the interim government has taken power. The ruler at the moment is a
> Pashtun as the Taliban were/are.
>
Interesting how no journalist or soldier has ventured, any further
than the air base and Kabul, funny that.
> > However, by your support of your terrorist regime that is America and
> > Israel, you are by mere implication a murderer and supporter of
> > terrorism, both these nations use military hardware to kill children.
> > So, you and your fellow supporters are nothing but heinous inhuman
> > scum.
>
> Hey asshole, if the US and Isreal wanted to kill children, you would have
> none (that is if you have any). You probably wouldn't even be around as we
> would have got you when you was a child. You are just not being realistic.
> You are irrational in fact.
>
Again, a rather sad and crass response from someone whose educational
system has let him down.
<snip>
> > Actually, you the American, psychi is based on murder, hence your need
> > to have the right to carry guns. Your nation was created by murdering
>
> Is that right? LOL I know many Americans that have never even held a gun,
> little less carried one. Not everyone in America is pro-gun.
>
Glad to hear that, damned these generalisations and stereotyping, I
wonder who else can be accused of this. Before you reply I am being
sarcastic.
> > and the marginalising the real inhabitants, you support a nation
> > Zionist Israel, which to was created on the same premise.
>
> Actually, the US was created by succeeding from Britain. And, yes, the
> American Indian got fucked. As did the Palestinians. They both did not
> realize the forces arrayed against them. Isreal was born of survivors of
> the Jewish Holocaust that you incessantly harp on about. You conveniently
> ignore that little fact. The tide of times was to support them after what
> they had been through. And they actually took it upon themselves to create
> Isreal. The US actually had very little to do with it.
>
Before, you brits turned on fellow brits, and committed terrorist acts
against brits.
No I don't hence my continued pointing out of following facts, 6 000
000 jews murdered systematically by christian germans a barbaric
crime.
What you ignore is the following, white christian germans killed six
million of them, they not give them land from a nation that killed
them, no instead, you give them land where people already live, then
you turn a blind eye, on the ethnic cleansing policy of this group of
people. As far as I know, no Palestinian setup concentration camps or
ghettos.
As for you last few sentence, Mark Twain, could not have done a better
job, this is the best bit of fiction I have read in a long while.
> > As for the 11/09, who gives a fuck it happened get over it, before
>
> We'll get over it when those responsible are brought to justice and the
> threat of any similar incident is erradicated.
>
Justice and America became strangers many moons ago, to mention them
in the same sentence is a crime against those who babies, who have
been murdered by this evil and veil nation.
> > that your nation was responsible for the murder of 500000 Iraqi
> > civilians over the last 10 years and the continued murder of 5000
> > children, through sanctions and bombing, UNICEF figures. I notice that
>
> The US is not responsible for this. It is Iraq itself. It is their insane
> pursuit of weapons of mass destruction and their continual threat to their
> neighbors that is to blame.
>
Did you visit the UNICEF website, have you seen the UN and other Aid
agency reports on the American nation being the prime reasong of these
murders. But what the fuck you stopped thinking for yourself ages ago
and why believe in independent sources, when your rather feeble and
censored press gives you the news that you want to hear.
As is said why let the truth get in the way of a good lynching.
> > you do not say anthing against these barbaric acts. This was not 4
> > months ago, actually this is still happening.
>
> And your assertion that it is the fault of the US is a baldface lie.
>
Oh, no you called me a liar, and baldfaced one at that. Damned I
should stop backing up my view points with verifiable facts, it seem
to confuse you.
> > Christians were responsible for the murder of 6 000 000 jews. Ariel
> > Sharon was responsible for he Sabira and Chatilla massacres, America
> > bombed the living crap out of Vietnam, using banned chemical weapons
> > which too this day, kill and maim Vietnamese peoples. America is
> > bombing civilian target in Afghanistan.
>
> They are not bombing civilian targets in Afghanistan dude. Vietnam was a
> big mistake. One where the US learned many lessons. The foremost of which
> was that civilians are not targetted.
>
Dude, when you bomb a whole village, where civilians live, more than
one, then you are purposely bombing them. Hey saying Vietnam was a
mistake, does not make it right, especially the same misinformation is
being used today to justify the invasion and murder of Aghani children
today. You show too much confidence in your government, a confidence
that is misplaced, by the shear weight of historical evidence that
shows you to be incorrect.
> Christians are not responsible for the Jewish Holocaust. Insane Nazis in
> the quest for their superior Aryan race were responsible for it.
>
Again, Nazi's were a party, who were elected by the Christian German
people. In the same way, the Republicans are a Party, who won a
rigged election. Now the Nazi pary had within it many different
views, some where christian and some were athiest, you have the same
in the Republican party.
However, in both America and Germany the peoples faith was
Christianity. However, in the ase cof Germany this was the state
religion, hence Christian Germans killed 6 000 000 + jews.
> > What's funny is that you want us to remember this one incident and
> > forget the hundreds that America and its Zionist Scum friend have and
> > are carrying out until this day.
>
> What's funny is your ignorance. It is definitely hard to believe.
>
Thank you.
> > You forget and applaud the complete wiping out of a whole village, and
> > the killing of children and babies within that village, this did not
> > happen four months ago either, this happened just a couple of days
> > back.
>
> If you think this was intentional, you are so very wrong. But I know this
> is not the basis for your hatred of the US and me. You hated us way before
> this happened. And it look slike to me because you really don't know the
> facts.
>
Actually I don't hate people, only those who defend injustice and
inhumanity. Unfortunately for you your Nation and your blind defence
of it, put you in that catagory and people like you should be
challenged, otherwise we will be living under the umbrella of the
Fourth Reich, I value freedom too much to let stupid people like you
ruin it.
> > There is no justice, by the simple fact those allegedly involved are
> > Saudi and Egyptian citizen, none of them are Afghani. DO YOU GET
> > THAT, I doubt.
>
> I get that those involved were hiding out and being trained in Afghanistan
> and being harbored by the Taliban. I get that real well. If you do not
> wish to be treated like a terrorist and murderer, I suggest that you do not
> offer them solice. This is yet another of your twisted swipes at
> propagandizing. Their original citizenship is irrelevent to where they are
> holed up and think they have safe harbour. Or is that beyond your
> comprehension?
>
Agian, Contras trained by America, bin Laden trained by America, Sadam
Hussein trained by America, you see a pattern.
You are such a dumb fuck, seeing as both the countries where these
peoples came from has not been touched, one can presume the network is
in tact. But if you feel more safer, good luck to you, but I suggest
you don't fly ever again.
> > However, your last sentence in your pathetic inept reply was the one
> > about martian, because I truly believe, that if your government told
> > you it was the martians, you would believe it so. This is the
> > sentence of one who is not in control of his faculties.
>
> I know well that if your blasphemous Quran said god was a martian, you would
> believe it. I cannot for a second see how any religious person can take the
> word of a man over the word of God. The Bible is the word of God. The
> Quran is the word of a man. Which do you really think is the truth?
>
Ok now I see where you sense of logic originates from, if this rather
meaningless, feeble reply is your idea of a reasoned argument, I
suggest you do drugs for several years and then come back.
> > Basically, I am fed up with your barbarity and continued whinging,
> > about how hard you have been done by. You know what go fuck yourself.
>
> LOL I am laughing at you throwing your tantrum because I refuse to believe
> your lies. You can tell your lies as much as you want and swear by Allah as
> many times as you want, but your lies will still be only lies.
you forgot to add, nanananananana, MORON.
Joseph Bradshaw
when the Taliban were destroyed.
Does anyone have any links to pictures showing these Afghans kissing the
American flag, or is it just heresay??
Sandar
Jean Guernon
nothng to do with it. He is a no brainer loser, much like you.
Daylight a écrit :
Jean Guernon
"Adolf Hitler Jr." a écrit :
>
> [the US bombing civilians in Afghanistan...]
> > Now I am not writing this article to complain about this dirty US act.
> > This is a standard US policy and will never change. I am just
> > wondering about the international human right organizations. Where are
> [...]
>
> Just a quote:
>
> "You have your rights but we have the weapons." Adolf Hitler
>
> Does that answer your question?
Fuck you.
The answer is in the Geneva convention.
J.
no...@nowhere.com
nabbas69's behind.
Jean Guernon
schooley a écrit :
>
> Islam is growing wrote:
>
> > Power of Islam
>
> <snip diarhea>
>
> The lies and blasphemy of Islam:
> http://schooley.home.texas.net/Terror.html
>
> Remember, the last word in Mohammad is MAD!
>
> GS
I guess I am asking anyone hereé
Who cares about your bias. They can always be interpreted otherwise.
Only one thing I need to know. Post where the 72 virgins are in the
Koran. What surah and verse.
Post where it says that Allah likes aggressors, post where it can
explains why the Palies believe they can attack civilians and expect to
be rewarded in the afterlife.
This goes agaisnt anything I read so far. It goes against God himself
anmy way you put it. How can they claim Allah is with them.
I need to know where that is in the Koran.
The rest is of no sue to me, where ou compare the Koran to the Bible, so
what? They will do the same. And each has his own knowledge that God has
allowed them to have about Himself.
The fundamental difference is that suicide thing. Where does it say
suicide is OK. Suicide is myrder of a muslim even if only, ultimately in
some cases, the terrorist himself.
Show me that THIS is somewhere in the Koran. Then we get somewhere about
the value of those scriptures. Otherwise, the fact that it is the devil
waiting for them on the other side SHOULD NOT BE UNEXPECTED TO THEM.
These assholes are lied to, but based on what?
J.
no...@nowhere.com
- there is no proof that the 4 planes were flown by Arabs
- Christians caused the hollocaust
- Americans and Israelis are the "real" terrorists
- There is no differentiating between the Republican party and the
Nazis
How can you reason with someone like this? You can't.
It's Jacob and Esau all over. They (and we) were both born in sin.
However, God chose to change Jacob's heart, and leave Esau to his
perverseness. This enmity and hatred between the offspring of these
brothers still exists today, and apparently growing. We, as a human
race, are all fallen, in need of God's grace!
qo|op
>
> > > > Not that it would do much good to point out to you, a murderer and
> > > > terrorist supporter, that it was not the US that was oppressing
> > Afghanistan
> > > > people. It was your fellow muslims oppressing your fellow muslims.
> > Just as
> > > > you want to oppress your fellow muslims.
> > > >
> > > First of all I have not killed anyone, so this accusation shows that
> > > you are willing to sink to any level to oppress other people.
> >
> > Oh, I am oppressing you? You don't know what oppression is then. Among
the
> > other things that you blither on about. This is actually a little
exercise
> > in freedom - not oppression. As for your not killing anyone, I have
only
> > the word of an insane fanatic (you) about that. But I did not assert
that
> > you killed anyone, I said you support murderers and terrorists and you
> > clearly do.
> >
> By making such in ignorant claim/accusation that I am a murderer, when
> you know nothing of my view point, indeed is a form of oppression, you
> wish to oppress my freedom of speech and viewpoint. So your opening
> sentence in your post shows that your are an intellectual toad.
Oh, kiss my ass you poor oppressed loon.
>
> Now, let us take you forray into my discussion with Jacob T, I provide
> hard facts that can be verified. Whereas you start of accussing me of
> being a murderer, I take it that this must be the famed American
> justice system, where you are presumed guilty, until proven guilty.
> This mental acrobatics is used by your nation to condemn the afghans.
When it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, I calls it a duck. When it
spews the propaganda of murderers and terrorists, I calls it a murderer and
terrorist supporter.
>
> Now you accuse me of being an insane fanatic, in your world, a SS
> officer I would presume is not
>
> Actually, I don't support the Taliban or Bin Laden and for your
> assertion that I support murderers and terrorists can be thrown on the
> junk heap, with the same myth that America is a free society. How so,
> you ask, simply I have condemned the attack on the WTC buildings, I
> furthermore condemn the terrorist actions of Christian America and
> Zionist Israel, there now its official I don't support murderers or
> terrorists.
>
> Now do you condemn the actions of Zionist Racist Israel and Christian
> America?
Certainly not.
>
> > > Secondly, I don't particularly like the Taliban and don't support them
> > > at all, and secondly I don't support terrorism, seeing as I
> > > continually condemn Christian America and Zionist Israel and I condemn
> > > the WTC attack too, in equal meassure.
> >
> > Ah, but you like Bin Laden do you not?
> >
> Nope.
>
> > > At this moment in time in light of the fact that Christian America
> > > just wiped out a whole village, which included babies, killing moe
> > > than 107 civilians on purpose your point is rather negated by facts.
> >
> > And whose word are you taking on that? Did you see it? What is your
proof
> > that it was on purpose? You really do not know, do you? Well I know
that
> > the US military does not intentionally kill civilians. I been there
dude.
> > Its part of the training and US soldiers will not do it. An order to
kill a
> > civilian is illegal and would not be obeyed - little less 107 of them.
> >
> Did you see that it was Arabs that flew those planes into the WTC
> building, where is your proof.
Dude, many people called their families from the planes. Even tried calling
the cops many of them.
> See the problem we have here is you live in a state/country that
> support terrorists activities, you don' have a free press. The
> intellectuals amongts you are weak and pathetic.
Why? Because they don't go out and murder a bunch of innocent people by
blowing themselves up amidst them? I understand well how medias manipulate
and sway opinion. Yet our press is as free as they come.
> By the way, this was on the BBC and most of the European press, it is
> these peoples words I am talking about.
Well lets have some links.
> You have really no idea do you, of what is going on in the real world,
> maybe you should leave disneyland and take a ticket to the real world.
>
> By the way whether or not US military kills civilians or not, tell
> that to the Vietnamese, the Nicaraguans, the peoples of Laos,
> Cambodia, tell it to the people of Iraq and now Afghanistan, actaully
> the list is endless, but what do you care, your still going to believe
> in the crap that your spoonfed daily.
And where should I begin the list about Muslims? I would be typing all
night. Little less beginning to list your communist friends' attrocities.
>
> Too me it looks like you are just preparing yourselves, in order to
> become the Fourth Reich.
That's merely because you are looking through the eyes of an American hater
and supporter of murderers and terrorists.
>
> > Unlike the training that Bin Laden gives to his saps. Most of what they
are
> > taught is purely how to kill civilians.
> >
> Sad, you are really pathetic and sad, CNN, ABC, BBC and any other
> world media you wish to mention have agreed on the following, bin
> Laden, was trained and funded by the Americans to kill Russian
> soldier. See, every statement you make is a myth.
When did I say he wasn't? And what does that have to do with 9-11?
Nothing. But you know that.
>
> > > Actually, the Taliban were the government by conquest, the same way
> > > the Northern Alliance and America are now the government of
> > > Afghanistan by conquest.
> >
> > The difference, however, is that the US truly did not want anything to
do
> > with Afghanistan. It just happens to be where your buddy Bin Laden was
> > being harbored.
> >
> You harboured the IRA and Contras, I don't see anyone bombing the
> living fuck out of you. But you Americans, take it upon yourselves to
You are full of shit. I know you are not making this up as you go along,
cause you are too stupid. You are just reading it all off your commy
propaganda sheet there. You are going to go through the whole sheet too
aren't you. I can tell. I been through all of this nonsense with many of
you blithering fools. So be it, I'll address them as you do.
[This is going to be a long thread folks, got another loser commie murderer
and terrorist supporter on the line here. And he's going to read the whole
propaganda sheet to me.]
The US has never harbored IRA. And neither did we harbor any Contras. We
armed and fully funded the Contras - at least for a while. So what?
Communism is now well contained. Pisses you off don't it. LOL
> invade a sovereign nation. The sad thing is you people are supporting
> a President and his cronies, who only care for themselves, this will
> be proved soon as the anounce the building of a Gas Pipe line.
> Unfortunately, it will then be too late for all those Afghani babies
> who died just so that a few peoples your President included could make
> money. Hey if your too stupid and are willing to die, then good luck
> to you.
Show me a people and I'll show you a people that only cares for themselves.
> > And as for the Northern Alliance ruling, that is no longer the case
since
> > the interim government has taken power. The ruler at the moment is a
> > Pashtun as the Taliban were/are.
> >
> Interesting how no journalist or soldier has ventured, any further
> than the air base and Kabul, funny that.
Funny you should once again twist a lie in with a bit of truth. Not
surprising though.
> > > However, by your support of your terrorist regime that is America and
> > > Israel, you are by mere implication a murderer and supporter of
> > > terrorism, both these nations use military hardware to kill children.
> > > So, you and your fellow supporters are nothing but heinous inhuman
> > > scum.
> >
> > Hey asshole, if the US and Isreal wanted to kill children, you would
have
> > none (that is if you have any). You probably wouldn't even be around as
we
> > would have got you when you was a child. You are just not being
realistic.
> > You are irrational in fact.
> >
> Again, a rather sad and crass response from someone whose educational
> system has let him down.
LOL You can't argue with logic can you. Gotta bring in yet another thing
off your list and work it into the conversation I see. No original thoughts
of your own? C'mon, an intellectual of your calibre can surely put your
propaganda list aside.
>
> <snip>
>
> > > Actually, you the American, psychi is based on murder, hence your need
> > > to have the right to carry guns. Your nation was created by murdering
> >
> > Is that right? LOL I know many Americans that have never even held a
gun,
> > little less carried one. Not everyone in America is pro-gun.
> >
> Glad to hear that, damned these generalisations and stereotyping, I
> wonder who else can be accused of this. Before you reply I am being
> sarcastic.
But I am pro-gun I might add. Why? Because in communities where there are
right to carry laws, crime rates are much reduced. Why? Because criminals
pickup and move elsewhere when there is a good chance that they might get
their asses shot off.
[Here is the soft-pedal portion of the rhetoric. A little bit of poorly
twisted good cop / bad cop for you readers. This is an attempt to gain my
confidence by lightening the air somewhat so that my mind might stray.
Stay tuned while the bad cop comes back in.]
>
> > > and the marginalising the real inhabitants, you support a nation
> > > Zionist Israel, which to was created on the same premise.
> >
> > Actually, the US was created by succeeding from Britain. And, yes, the
> > American Indian got fucked. As did the Palestinians. They both did not
> > realize the forces arrayed against them. Isreal was born of survivors
of
> > the Jewish Holocaust that you incessantly harp on about. You
conveniently
> > ignore that little fact. The tide of times was to support them after
what
> > they had been through. And they actually took it upon themselves to
create
> > Isreal. The US actually had very little to do with it.
> >
> Before, you brits turned on fellow brits, and committed terrorist acts
> against brits.
Uh, ok which brits are these you are talking about? I'm no brit. I wasn't
even around then dude. And my a great many of my ancestors hadn't yet
crossed the Atlantic. And yet a great many more of my ancestors were
already here and were not brits. Hmm. You kind of missed the mark here,
I'd say.
[Here's yet more soft-pedaling and yet trying to induce some guilt by
association.]
> No I don't hence my continued pointing out of following facts, 6 000
> 000 jews murdered systematically by christian germans a barbaric
> crime.
[Ok, still soft-pedaling, gee I must be a tough cookie to crack.]
But, say I, it was Christian Americans, Christian Brits, and Communist
Russians (for the most part - there were many other contributors, mostly
Christians, and I wish I could list them all) brought this holocaust to its
end.
But this has already been pointed out to you repeatedly. Yet you think you
are stating something significant.
[I think they must have this item emboldened on their propaganda sheet or
something.]
> What you ignore is the following, white christian germans killed six
> million of them, they not give them land from a nation that killed
> them, no instead, you give them land where people already live, then
> you turn a blind eye, on the ethnic cleansing policy of this group of
> people. As far as I know, no Palestinian setup concentration camps or
> ghettos.
[Yea here it comes. I am disappointed however. This is lame. Too easy.
Setting me up for a bigger one?]
Did you ever stop to think that perhaps the Jews did not want land from
Germany?
[That's enough on that one for now. Yea, I'm baiting him, so what. It
totally rebukes the lie.]
> As for you last few sentence, Mark Twain, could not have done a better
> job, this is the best bit of fiction I have read in a long while.
Your fiction is not even newsworthy. Been through it a many times with
whackos much more formidable than thee. All reading from the same
propaganda sheet I might add.
>
> > > As for the 11/09, who gives a fuck it happened get over it, before
> >
> > We'll get over it when those responsible are brought to justice and the
> > threat of any similar incident is erradicated.
> >
> Justice and America became strangers many moons ago, to mention them
> in the same sentence is a crime against those who babies, who have
> been murdered by this evil and veil nation.
Many moons ago? LOL That is almost colorful. And almost shows a glimmer
of individuality. Better be careful, you might lose your job.
>
> > > that your nation was responsible for the murder of 500000 Iraqi
> > > civilians over the last 10 years and the continued murder of 5000
> > > children, through sanctions and bombing, UNICEF figures. I notice that
> >
> > The US is not responsible for this. It is Iraq itself. It is their
insane
> > pursuit of weapons of mass destruction and their continual threat to
their
> > neighbors that is to blame.
> >
> Did you visit the UNICEF website, have you seen the UN and other Aid
> agency reports on the American nation being the prime reasong of these
> murders. But what the fuck you stopped thinking for yourself ages ago
I have indeed visited this site and your assertion that it blames America is
yet another lie. It cites UN sanctions. Perhaps you should try a reading
comprehension course.
> and why believe in independent sources, when your rather feeble and
> censored press gives you the news that you want to hear.
>
> As is said why let the truth get in the way of a good lynching.
I dunno. You tell me why you have to lie. Then maybe we could begin to
have some meaningful dialog.
> > > you do not say anthing against these barbaric acts. This was not 4
> > > months ago, actually this is still happening.
> >
> > And your assertion that it is the fault of the US is a baldface lie.
> >
> Oh, no you called me a liar, and baldfaced one at that. Damned I
> should stop backing up my view points with verifiable facts, it seem
> to confuse you.
LOL Which verifyable facts are you referring to? The lies and twisted
half-truths you spew?
>
> > > Christians were responsible for the murder of 6 000 000 jews. Ariel
> > > Sharon was responsible for he Sabira and Chatilla massacres, America
> > > bombed the living crap out of Vietnam, using banned chemical weapons
> > > which too this day, kill and maim Vietnamese peoples. America is
> > > bombing civilian target in Afghanistan.
> >
> > They are not bombing civilian targets in Afghanistan dude. Vietnam was
a
> > big mistake. One where the US learned many lessons. The foremost of
which
> > was that civilians are not targetted.
> >
> Dude, when you bomb a whole village, where civilians live, more than
> one, then you are purposely bombing them. Hey saying Vietnam was a
> mistake, does not make it right, especially the same misinformation is
> being used today to justify the invasion and murder of Aghani children
> today. You show too much confidence in your government, a confidence
> that is misplaced, by the shear weight of historical evidence that
> shows you to be incorrect.
You know little of the intracasies of warfare as well. No matter, I would
not expect a propaganda spewer like yourself to.
>
> > Christians are not responsible for the Jewish Holocaust. Insane Nazis
in
> > the quest for their superior Aryan race were responsible for it.
> >
> Again, Nazi's were a party, who were elected by the Christian German
Hey here's like the first actually truthful thing I've read from you. The
Nazis were a party. Such a revelation...
> people. In the same way, the Republicans are a Party, who won a
> rigged election. Now the Nazi pary had within it many different
> views, some where christian and some were athiest, you have the same
> in the Republican party.
Yes, the republicans are a party too! So are the democrats and even the
communists. Gosh, they must all be like the Nazis - gee I am so stupid not
to see that!
[This is guy is a dolt. Gosh was this the big kicker? The one meant to
bring me reeling to my knees and converting to Islam? LOL]
>
> However, in both America and Germany the peoples faith was
> Christianity. However, in the ase cof Germany this was the state
> religion, hence Christian Germans killed 6 000 000 + jews.
>
> > > What's funny is that you want us to remember this one incident and
> > > forget the hundreds that America and its Zionist Scum friend have and
> > > are carrying out until this day.
> >
> > What's funny is your ignorance. It is definitely hard to believe.
> >
> Thank you.
Anytime.
>
> > > You forget and applaud the complete wiping out of a whole village, and
> > > the killing of children and babies within that village, this did not
> > > happen four months ago either, this happened just a couple of days
> > > back.
> >
> > If you think this was intentional, you are so very wrong. But I know
this
> > is not the basis for your hatred of the US and me. You hated us way
before
> > this happened. And it look slike to me because you really don't know
the
> > facts.
> >
> Actually I don't hate people, only those who defend injustice and
> inhumanity. Unfortunately for you your Nation and your blind defence
> of it, put you in that catagory and people like you should be
> challenged, otherwise we will be living under the umbrella of the
> Fourth Reich, I value freedom too much to let stupid people like you
> ruin it.
So why don't you just go back to your miserable little life and quit spewing
your propaganda lies to us. We already heard them.
[never back down]
> > > There is no justice, by the simple fact those allegedly involved are
> > > Saudi and Egyptian citizen, none of them are Afghani. DO YOU GET
> > > THAT, I doubt.
> >
> > I get that those involved were hiding out and being trained in
Afghanistan
> > and being harbored by the Taliban. I get that real well. If you do not
> > wish to be treated like a terrorist and murderer, I suggest that you do
not
> > offer them solice. This is yet another of your twisted swipes at
> > propagandizing. Their original citizenship is irrelevent to where they
are
> > holed up and think they have safe harbour. Or is that beyond your
> > comprehension?
> >
> Agian, Contras trained by America, bin Laden trained by America, Sadam
> Hussein trained by America, you see a pattern.
Yes, I see a Cold War and the American Doctrine of Communist Containment.
All of which ended with the fall of Soviet Russia. And yes, this is the
same doctrine that kept most of the free world free during the reign of
Soviet Russia. The very same doctrine that has granted you the freedom to
post your nonsense.
[nothing like a little real history to counter childish rantings]
> You are such a dumb fuck, seeing as both the countries where these
> peoples came from has not been touched, one can presume the network is
> in tact. But if you feel more safer, good luck to you, but I suggest
> you don't fly ever again.
Now see here you've merely proven my assertion that you are indeed a
supporter of murderers and terrorists. Spewing their propaganda is not
enough - you just had to throw in your little threat. But I knew this
already.
[they will show their true colors, one only needs vigilance]
>
> > > However, your last sentence in your pathetic inept reply was the one
> > > about martian, because I truly believe, that if your government told
> > > you it was the martians, you would believe it so. This is the
> > > sentence of one who is not in control of his faculties.
> >
> > I know well that if your blasphemous Quran said god was a martian, you
would
> > believe it. I cannot for a second see how any religious person can take
the
> > word of a man over the word of God. The Bible is the word of God. The
> > Quran is the word of a man. Which do you really think is the truth?
> >
> Ok now I see where you sense of logic originates from, if this rather
> meaningless, feeble reply is your idea of a reasoned argument, I
> suggest you do drugs for several years and then come back.
Hey, I already did that. But I don't recommend it for anybody. As for you
following the word of a man instead of the word of God, this goes straight
to the root of your problem.
> > > Basically, I am fed up with your barbarity and continued whinging,
> > > about how hard you have been done by. You know what go fuck yourself.
> >
> > LOL I am laughing at you throwing your tantrum because I refuse to
believe
> > your lies. You can tell your lies as much as you want and swear by
Allah as
> > many times as you want, but your lies will still be only lies.
>
> you forgot to add, nanananananana, MORON.
I left that up to you as it definitely agrees with your mental prowess.
[next... I got no more use for this guy]
Jean Guernon
J.
" DKir...@CyberJunky.com" a écrit :
>
> The Meaning of Islam:
>
> I = I, Osama Bin Laden, declare a jihad against the west
> S = Start the jihad
> L = Launch commercial aircraft against the WTC and Pentagon
> A = Al Qaeda is responsible for L under orders from Osama Bin Laden
> M = Murder of innocent international civilians completed as planned
>
> Islam is growing wrote:
>
> > Power of Islam
> >
> > Muslim convert takes on leadership role
> >
> > http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/1213/p16s1-lire.html
>
> <snip>
Jean Guernon
Joseph Bradshaw a écrit :
>
> > Do you actualy think U.S. militery planners are trying to kill innocent
> civilians?
>
> Yes I do. They class it as revenge for innocents killed on 9/11.
But ethics, logic, and military law dicates otherwuise. You have no
proof. Just hate.
>
> > If that were the case bloodthirsty Americans would just use nukes.
>
> That would be too obvious, and invite a nuclear retaliation.
>
> > The U.S. does not want to kill innocents.
>
> If that were the case, it would only ever use ground troops, and never
> aerial bombardment.
>
> > But, I daresay the total of them killed will be far less than what the
> Taliban did to their own.
>
> Like you care!
>
> > It's a good thing others don't think your way...
>
> Many others do think my way. It's just you and a few other small-minded
> idiots that need to wake up and get out more.
>
> > or Belgium would still be under control of the Nazis.
>
> What has WWII got to do with nowadays events? It finished 57 years ago.
> Well before you were even born. D'oh! There's one born every minute,
> isn't there.
>
> > No matter what you think, there are bad people in the world.
>
> I have never said there weren't.
>
> > They have to be delt with.
>
> But without having to kill innocents.
>
> > Some of them hide behind innocents.
>
> Yes they do.
>
> > I am sure U.S. targeters feel bad for that.
>
> Why? Do you know any? All I've spoken to couldn't care less. They
> consider them to be objects, not worthy of attention. Much the same
> thinking was prevalent during the slave trade.
>
> > Do you think the terrorists feel anything but joy over their victims?
>
> I really don't know. But there is no need to stoop to their level.
>
> > The U.N. has done a smashing good job in Africa, former Yugoslavia,
> Afganistan,
> > etc. etc. etc.
>
> Thankyou.
>
> > What is a "prat"?
>
> Is English your first language?
>
> > "They" attack America for the same reason "they" attacked Greece, Egypt
> Rome
> and other civilizations.
>
> Woah. Steady on now. What attacks on Greece, Egypt and Rome are you
> talking about?
>
> > "They" are groups of people who maintain control by
> > keeping their subjects ignorant and hungry. "They" claim all of their
> problems
> > are the fault of the prosperous and not their own ignorance. America
> shows
> > people that there is a better way and that frightens those who rule by
> keeping
> > their people ignorant.
>
> But much the same brain-washing goes on the US, you just don't see it as
> such because you're subject to it, and it's done more subtly.
>
> > How many years did it take for a majority of Europe to agree to use the
> Euro?
>
> About one week to agree around a table actually, but ten years for it to
> come into force if that's what you mean.
>
> > What was the last earth shattering devlopment to come out of Europe?
>
> How about the Euro on Monday.
>
> > The U.S. may drop the ball once in a while, read that as Afganistan after
> 1989, but who is doing more?
>
> You could just have left well alone. American arrogance is the main
> problem. You think that because your society is highly developed in
> comparison to a place like Afghanistan, that they must change to be like
> you, otherwise their society is 'invalid'.
>
Day Brown
>
> > Do you actualy think U.S. militery planners are trying to kill innocent
> civilians?
>
> Yes I do. They class it as revenge for innocents killed on 9/11.
innocents to be very careful in selecting demogogues. I dont
see any other way to get that message across.
schooley
no...@nowhere.com wrote:
> So this nabbas69 believes:
>
> - there is no proof that the 4 planes were flown by Arabs
> - Christians caused the hollocaust
> - Americans and Israelis are the "real" terrorists
> - There is no differentiating between the Republican party and the
> Nazis
>
> How can you reason with someone like this? You can't.
>
> It's Jacob and Esau all over. They (and we) were both born in sin.
> However, God chose to change Jacob's heart, and leave Esau to his
> perverseness. This enmity and hatred between the offspring of these
> brothers still exists today, and apparently growing. We, as a human
> race, are all fallen, in need of God's grace!
That's why Jesus warned that FEW would enter his kingdom:
http://schooley.home.texas.net/Few.htm
GS
Joseph Bradshaw
be very careful in selecting demogogues.
Oh per-leez. When did you last see a voting slip distributed to a mud hut?
Joseph Bradshaw
How can such highly trained pilots and other soldiers be such 'poor' shots
so many times over so many years? To shoot up ambulances and hospitals
and Red Cross buildings etc. etc. etc. (I'm talking previous wars here as
well as current), is highly 'irregular'. How can you think a building
with a huge red cross on it is anything other than a Red Cross building?
Oh sorry, the red cross was a 'shoot here' sign to aid guidance, wasn't it!
If these were genuine 'misses', then they are not responsible enough to be
in control of such weapons in the first place. If they were deliberate
attacks, that is attempted murder. Which do you choose given the billions
of dollars a year the US spends on offense??
schooley
Jean Guernon wrote:
> schooley a écrit :
> >
> > Islam is growing wrote:
> >
> > > Power of Islam
> >
> > <snip diarhea>
> >
> > The lies and blasphemy of Islam:
> > http://schooley.home.texas.net/Terror.html
> >
> > Remember, the last word in Mohammad is MAD!
> >
> > GS
>
> I guess I am asking anyone hereé
> Who cares about your bias. They can always be interpreted otherwise.
If you had actually READ the article, you would see that I included a whole
bunch of Quranic verses calling for violence. Their violence speaks for
itself without any added bias. Is that too hard for you to pick up on? Can
you actually READ that much, or do you always assume things about
something/someone without actually reading what they said? *Duhhh* So, READ
this, coward:
Note: The word "strive" in the Quran means to fight; war; attack (etc.).
Violence against ANYONE who doesn't believe the same is HEAVILY called for
in the Quran. Indeed, their very "salvation" hinges on their willingness to
FIGHT those who believe differently:
[17:15-17] Whoever is guided, is guided for his own good, and whoever goes
astray does so to his own detriment. No sinner will bear the sins of anyone
else. We never punish without first sending a messenger. [16] If we are to
annihilate any community,
we let the leaders commit vast corruption therein. Once they deserve
retribution, we annihilate it completely. [17] Many a generation have we
annihilated after Noah. Your Lord is most efficient in dealing with the sins
of His servants; He is fully Cognizant, Seer. [2:218] Those who believe, and
those who emigrate and strive in the cause of GOD, have deserved GOD's
mercy. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful. [3:142] Do you expect to enter
Paradise without GOD distinguishing those among you who strive, and without
distinguishing those who are steadfast? [4:95] Not equal are the sedentary
among the believers who are not handicapped, and those who strive in the
cause of GOD with their money and their lives. GOD exalts the strivers with
their money and their lives above the sedentary. For both, GOD promises
salvation, but GOD exalts the strivers over the sedentary with a great
recompense. [5:35] O you who believe, you shall reverence GOD and seek the
ways and means to Him, and strive in His cause, that you may succeed. [5:54]
O you who believe, if you revert from your religion, then GOD will
substitute in your place people whom He loves and who love Him. They will be
kind with the believers, stern with the disbelievers, and will strive in the
cause of GOD without fear of any blame. Such is GOD's blessing; He bestows
it upon whomever He wills. GOD is Bounteous, Omniscient. [9:16] Did you
think that you will be left alone without GOD distinguishing those among you
who strive, and never ally themselves with GOD's enemies, or the enemies of
His messenger, or the enemies of the believers? GOD is fully Cognizant of
everything you do. [9:20] Those who believe, and emigrate, and strive in the
cause of GOD with their money and their lives, are far greater in rank in
the sight of GOD. These are the winners. [9:41] You shall readily mobilize,
light or heavy, and strive with your money and your lives in the cause of
GOD. This is better for you, if you only knew. [9:44] Those who truly
believe in GOD and the Last Day do not ask your permission to evade the
opportunity to strive with their money and their lives.
GOD is fully aware of the righteous. [9:73] O you prophet, strive against
the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern in dealing with them.
Their destiny is Hell; what a miserable abode! [9:81] The sedentary rejoiced
in their staying behind the
messenger of GOD, and hated to strive with their money and their lives in
the cause of GOD. They said, "Let us not mobilize in this heat!" Say, "The
fire of Hell is much hotter," if they could only comprehend. [9:86] When a
sura is revealed, stating: "Believe in GOD, and strive with His messenger,"
even the strong among them say, "Let us stay behind!" [9:88] As for the
messenger and those who believed with him, they eagerly strive with their
money and their lives. These have deserved all the good things;
they are the winners. [16:110] As for those who emigrate because of
persecution, then continue to strive and steadfastly persevere, your Lord,
because of all this, is Forgiver, Most Merciful. [22:51] As for those who
strive to challenge our revelations, they incur Hell. [22:78] You shall
strive for the cause of GOD as you should strive for His cause. He has
chosen you and has placed no hardship on you in practicing your religion -
the religion of your father Abraham. He is the one who named you
"Submitters" originally. Thus, the messenger shall serve as a witness among
you, and you shall serve as witnesses among the people. Therefore, you shall
observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat),
and hold fast to GOD; He is your Lord, the best Lord and the best Supporter.
[25:52] Therefore, do not obey the disbelievers, and
strive against them with this, a great striving. [29:6] Those who strive,
strive for their own good. GOD is in no need of anyone. [29:69] As for those
who strive in our cause, we will surely guide them in our paths. Most
assuredly, GOD is with the pious. [47:31] We will certainly put you to the
test, in order to distinguish those among you who strive, and steadfastly
persevere. We must expose your true qualities. [49:15] Mu'mens (believers)
are those who believe in GOD and His messenger, then attain the status of
having no doubt whatsoever, and strive with their money and their lives in
the cause of GOD. These are the truthful ones. [57:10] Why do you not spend
in the cause of GOD, when GOD possesses all wealth in the heavens and the
earth? Distinguished from the rest are those among you who spend before the
victory and strive. They attain a greater rank than those who spend after
the victory and strive. For each, GOD promises salvation. GOD is Cognizant
of everything you do. [61:11] Believe in GOD and His messenger and strive in
the cause of GOD with your money and your lives. This is the best deal for
you, if you only knew. [71:13] Why should you not strive to reverence GOD?
[94:7] Whenever possible you shall strive.
That is ALL from ONE keyword: "strive". I haven't even gotten to other words
like "fight" yet (as there are so many other lies and abominations in the
Quran to document.. By the way, remember, "strive" means to fight; to kill.
> Only one thing I need to know. Post where the 72 virgins are in the
> Koran. What surah and verse.
There are only three appearances of forms of the word "virgin" in the Quran;
None apply to "72 virgins". Likewise, the reported "62 virgins" I have also
heard is not in the Quran. It is another Muslim lie, created out of thin
air. They are not promised any "virgins" at all.
> Post where it says that Allah likes aggressors, post where it can
> explains why the Palies believe they can attack civilians and expect to
> be rewarded in the afterlife.
See above large batch of suras.
> This goes agaisnt anything I read so far. It goes against God himself
> anmy way you put it. How can they claim Allah is with them.
The same way most godless religions do - in extreme hypocrisy and with no
evidence showing otherwise, that's how.
> I need to know where that is in the Koran.
Have you ever thought of downloading your own version of the Quran? But,
unless you have the gumption to read Bible Scripture and do some comparing,
you won't get much out of the Quran.
> The rest is of no sue to me, where ou compare the Koran to the Bible, so
> what? They will do the same. And each has his own knowledge that God has
> allowed them to have about Himself.
Muslims, in light of the fact that much of the Quran and Quranic principals
were stolen from Scripture, can't make even the minimalist defense of their
twisted Quran. So far, true to Muslim nature of extreme cowardice, they have
ALL tucked tail and run away. They can make NO defense of that lie; the
obvious questions that pop up are just too hard for them.
Just because someone has a false and twisted image of "god" does not at all
mean that HE sanctioned it at all. You are speaking from the faulty
standpoint that if God "allows" someone to have a (false) image of him that
he somehow "inspired" it. Wrong; he did not (if that were the case, all
would have the same image of him, NOT such a diverse conglomeration that we
have today).
> The fundamental difference is that suicide thing. Where does it say
> suicide is OK. Suicide is myrder of a muslim even if only, ultimately in
> some cases, the terrorist himself.
I am still looking for a number of points in the Quran; I have yet to find
that one. I am also looking for one I heard many years ago that says that if
they kill others ("unbelievers"), they effectively insure them entering
paradise. But, I have yet to find that one, too.
> Show me that THIS is somewhere in the Koran. Then we get somewhere about
> the value of those scriptures. Otherwise, the fact that it is the devil
> waiting for them on the other side SHOULD NOT BE UNEXPECTED TO THEM.
> These assholes are lied to, but based on what?
>
> J.
>From looking at godless religions, it is no surprise that, just as Jesus
warned, they WILL be surprised by hell. MOST will be surprised that they
will not enter. Why do you think the Lord calls the Judgment "a terrible
day"? They have the Scriptures to warn them - it should be no surprise to
them. Why do you think that Jesus warned that FEW should enter His Kingdom?
>From the looks of what Jesus WANTS, compared to the antics of today's
organized religions, I don't expect more than %2 of all humanity to enter.
These hypocrites are nowhere near the humble little children that Jesus
wants. But, since YOU are just as allergic to Scripture as most are, it will
take YOU by surprise, too, when you find that Jesus was NOT lying when he
warned that you must be born again; have your name in his book of life.
Satan's ultimate goals is and has always been to foil God's plans,
especially his plan of salvation. This can be easily seen in the various
organized (mainstream) religions, as each and every one has one thing in
common: they ALL lead people AWAY from Jesus and his atoning blood. One way
or another, they ALL steer you away from that one factor. In most religions,
you can do whatever you want, just as long as you DON'T accept Jesus and
have your sins forgiven. They all have that in common. Most people will go
to hell "with a Bible under each arm" so to speak.
People always whine "Don't confuse me with the facts" as they complain about
"semantics", etc. But, at the judgment, when all the BOOKS are opened, just
WHAT do you think it will come down to? Semantics! A verbatim word-by-word
account of all we said, did and even thought. And, some of the books opened
will be the books of the Scripture that Jesus made such a big fuss about
reading. In the end, it will ALL be about semantics.
I am about finished with an article comparing God's Holiness with Allah's.
It's a pity you are so averse to READING, especially Scripture, as it will
have a lot of that in it. But, since Allah doesn't have ANY of the holiness
that God has, there are not many suras quoted at all. I just can't find
anything in the Quran showing forth Allah's "holiness".
Nightlite
produce much of anything other than a rigged election, I guess everyone
wants to follow Mugabes lead now that he can call all opposition parties
'terrorists' and murder or jail any journalists he doesn't like.
qo|op
their hole. They've been fed this crap since they were kneehigh to a
tadpole. And they truly do believe what they say. The childlike mentality
and total inability to think for themselves is mind boggling and frustrating
to say the least. All I can say is with so many nutcases like this running
around, the war on terrorism is certainly going to be a long tough job.
Whats worse, is that these cruds have schools of young children over there
right now and they are drilling this drivel into their heads under the guise
of education. Something needs to be done about these hate schools.
<no...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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gutrench
>
> - there is no proof that the 4 planes were flown by Arabs
> - Christians caused the hollocaust
> - Americans and Israelis are the "real" terrorists
> - There is no differentiating between the Republican party and the
> Nazis
>
> How can you reason with someone like this? You can't.
>
> It's Jacob and Esau all over. They (and we) were both born in sin.
> However, God chose to change Jacob's heart, and leave Esau to his
> perverseness. This enmity and hatred between the offspring of these
> brothers still exists today, and apparently growing. We, as a human
> race, are all fallen, in need of God's grace!
>
>
where is as you in this statement have made emotional and baseless
statements.
Historical fact the Nazi party used the same tactics, for taking
absolute power in Germany, only thing is they had the Reichstag fires.
The Nazi than found a group of people who they blames for this terror
activity, THE JEWS, they then produced evidence, rather flimsy at the
time, implicating JEWISH terrorist cells. They then went about
limiting and removing all the freedoms of the German peoples, the
Government then introduced laws, censoring and limiting any
information on how the goverment was run. Intermittently, upuntil the
invasion of Poland, it invaded Austria and Checkosavakia, under the
guise of freeing the German speaking population of those nations. You
know what happened while this was going on the rest of the world stood
by and pontifacated and ooh and aahed.
Even then there were individuals pointing out that the world was in
grave danger. Do you know what was said about them, NO, read your own
fucking post, Fuckwit.
Then you finish it of with a story, which is based on what the
religious ranting of a fanatical christian crusades.
This is what you believe,
1. The trinity concept, no proof even in the bible, but you believe
it anyway, cause you are told too.
2. Jesus is Son of God, no proof at all for this rather fanciful
proposition, the bible states otherwise.
3. The original sin concept, this concept dictates that we are all
sinfull, however the Prophet Jesus, oh sorry, God came down in Human
form and died for our sins till the day of judgement.
If you believe these fancifull notion, in your mindset there is no
room for reasoned debate, especially when you believe in the Trinity
and Jesus is God, BS just because you are told it is true, this is
known as being brainwashed.
Again, only muslims follow the bible and only muslims understand
Jesus, you gave up both of them, when Paul, paganised the teachings of
Christ and murdered his followers.
qo|op
news:<ruq73ugo6dc5qdofq...@4ax.com>...
> > So this nabbas69 believes:
> >
> > - there is no proof that the 4 planes were flown by Arabs
> > - Christians caused the hollocaust
> > - Americans and Israelis are the "real" terrorists
> > - There is no differentiating between the Republican party and the
> > Nazis
> >
> > How can you reason with someone like this? You can't.
> >
> > It's Jacob and Esau all over. They (and we) were both born in sin.
> > However, God chose to change Jacob's heart, and leave Esau to his
> > perverseness. This enmity and hatred between the offspring of these
> > brothers still exists today, and apparently growing. We, as a human
> > race, are all fallen, in need of God's grace!
> >
> >
> Actually, I have furnished logic and reasoning for all my view points,
> where is as you in this statement have made emotional and baseless
> statements.
>
> Historical fact the Nazi party used the same tactics, for taking
> absolute power in Germany, only thing is they had the Reichstag fires.
Yet more nonsense. Hitler used intimidation and murder to seize power. He
did not use a Supreme Court and Laws. Quite a difference.
Your idiotic assertions and perserverence are only exceeded by your
ignorance.
> The Nazi than found a group of people who they blames for this terror
> activity, THE JEWS, they then produced evidence, rather flimsy at the
> time, implicating JEWISH terrorist cells. They then went about
> limiting and removing all the freedoms of the German peoples, the
> Government then introduced laws, censoring and limiting any
> information on how the goverment was run. Intermittently, upuntil the
Bullshit. The Nazis merely pointed their finger at the Jews and said they
are the cause of all your woes. They control the banks and the media and
everything that makes your lives miserable. This all happened during a
global depression and Germans were willing to listen. There's a bit more to
it than this, but this is it in a nutshell. I'm not going to write you a
book. There are plenty available, try reading one from a source other than
your propaganda sheet.
Any of this sound familiar? This is what you Muslims say about the Jews
today.
> invasion of Poland, it invaded Austria and Checkosavakia, under the
> guise of freeing the German speaking population of those nations. You
And, of course, alarming everyone.
> know what happened while this was going on the rest of the world stood
> by and pontifacated and ooh and aahed.
The world was a different place then. The US was in a isolationist phase.
There was a devastating depression going on here too. As far as events in
Europe, those were a world away from the US. And technologically, that was
true. There was no internet then. There were no computers. There were no
nuclear weapons. The first flight across the Atlantic had barely been
accomplished for Pete's sake. Little less intercontinental transports,
bombers and missiles.
> Even then there were individuals pointing out that the world was in
> grave danger. Do you know what was said about them, NO, read your own
> fucking post, Fuckwit.
It was not our fight at the time. Because Hitler invaded all of these
Balkan countries, the US was supposed to drop everything and go to war with
Germany a whole ocean and continent away? Once again you show your naivety
and irrationality.
Note, however, we are no longer an isolationist country. Since WWII, we
have not had that luxury. Many of us would surely like to be as things were
so much simpler. But we are economically tied to virtually everywhere and
it is now impossible.
> Then you finish it of with a story, which is based on what the
> religious ranting of a fanatical christian crusades.
>
> This is what you believe,
>
> 1. The trinity concept, no proof even in the bible, but you believe
> it anyway, cause you are told too.
You've obviously not experienced any of these things. Unfortunate.
> 2. Jesus is Son of God, no proof at all for this rather fanciful
> proposition, the bible states otherwise.
Eye witness testimony that the man died and rose from the dead. All of
which are every bit as credible as the words of Muhammad. That's why they
call it faith. Once you accept Jesus into your life, you literally change.
It is uncanny and I cannot explain it. The word of God is that no man will
enter heaven without having accepted Jesus.
I am no Bible scholar so I am not going to bandy the scriptures with you.
Neither am I a Bible thumper and I am not the greatest Christian in the
world. I do know the difference in the feelings I have, however, when I
read the word of God and when I read the words of men. Try it if you dare.
> 3. The original sin concept, this concept dictates that we are all
> sinfull, however the Prophet Jesus, oh sorry, God came down in Human
> form and died for our sins till the day of judgement.
>
> If you believe these fancifull notion, in your mindset there is no
> room for reasoned debate, especially when you believe in the Trinity
> and Jesus is God, BS just because you are told it is true, this is
> known as being brainwashed.
It appears to me that you are the brainwashed one. You make up history as
if it is there for you to change and manipulate at your whim. It is not.
> Again, only muslims follow the bible and only muslims understand
> Jesus, you gave up both of them, when Paul, paganised the teachings of
> Christ and murdered his followers.
Frankly, your comments about anything are suspect due to the above. As you
are a liar.
<Doug
Joseph Bradshaw wrote:
Does anyone have any links to pictures showing Bradshaw kissing Osama Bin
Laden's ass, or is it just heresay?? I think not!!
BabelFish
> Jean Guernon wrote:
>
> > schooley a écrit :
> > >
> > > Islam is growing wrote:
> > >
> > > > Power of Islam
> > >
> > > <snip diarhea>
> > >
> > > The lies and blasphemy of Islam:
> > > http://schooley.home.texas.net/Terror.html
> > >
> > > Remember, the last word in Mohammad is MAD!
> > >
> > > GS
>
But if you look in any relgious writings you can find (or think you`ve
found)guidance or excuses to kill others of another faith.
The muslims kill others, the jews kill others and the christians have
always killed others.
nasty boy
Laden's ass, or is it just heresay?? I think not!!
dork breath. ive looked on all the news sites and their isnt a picture
anywhere of afghans kissing an american flag. your bin ladens ass
licker DBrainless!!
saict
> I'm not a terrorist.
What's the matter? Couldn't pass the training in Afghanistan?
> I work for UN in Brussels,
Oh, so you are a terrorist--just without the physical stamina.
> but I just happen to disagree with mass-murder; whether it be
> terrorist mass-murder, or American military mass-murder.
Or UN mass-murder?
> Actually working for UN is one of the best ways of putting my views
> forward, and actively enforcing what I believe.
The UN as a whole is not a terror oriented as you, however.
> I have a (small) power that will stop
> your troops from going too far - hopefully.
Hopefully you don't mean the UN troops. Not a chance. Did you used
to be the general in charge of the Ukranian nuclear arsenal before you
went to work at the UN?
> Says who? Self-praise is no praise! If you're so great, why did they
> just try and destroy you and everything you stand for,
They tried to destroy us exactly because we're great. That's also why
they don't bother with the UN.
> If you are so
> great, people around the whole world would love and embrace your ideology -
> but instead they choose to attack andf destroy it.
Good and great people around the whole world do love and embrace our
constitution. Other types of people badmouth us, and post lies on the
Internet to help them feel better. By the way they attacked it. They
did not destroy it. You're not winning. You won't.
<snip the rest>
<Doug
Jean Guernon wrote:
Tell Osama, Al Qaeda, etc. to read the Geneva convention. As far as the 'Fuck
you' is concerned; you are more Osama's type.
<Doug
<Doug
nasty boy wrote:
Perhaps there's one of you kissing an American fag!
Nosferatu
says...
>
> "john petko" <jpe...@bellatlantic.net> schreef in bericht
> news:010120021314161215%jpe...@bellatlantic.net...
> > In article <70ceae71.02010...@posting.google.com>, Daylight
> > <daylig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > It has been reported by many news agencies that the US airforces
> > > attacked a village yesterday and killed over one hundred civilians in
> > > the village. One of these reports is on the following link at the UK
> > > newspaper, the Times.
> > >
> > >
> > > As usual, the US says the village had Al-Qaeda and Taliban commanders.
> > > The fool people will believe that, without even asking simple
> > > questions such as "Who are those commanders? Can you name one of them?
> > > Who is controlling that village? Is it Taliban or the new US installed
> > > govt.?"
> > >
> > drivel deleted
>
> Nope a still see it right under here.
>
> > when all is said and done you will find America killed 1/100th of the
> > innocent people that the taliban did. also wheras America would have
> > done it by accident, the taliban did it for fun.
> >
What is your issue that was said?
--
Q. What does Ted Kennedy have that Bill Clinton wishes he had??
A. An ex-wife and a dead girl friend.
Nosferatu
no...@noyb.com says...
> > Still in any cases, the only ones responsible for collateral damage and
> > casualty, when the rules of engagement are followed, are the terrorists.
> > And that's that.
>
> Great! We'll have the American military up for the damage it's terrorism
> has done in revenge then. Nice one, you make my job much easier.
>
> The deaths of innocents can never ever be justified!
>
What do you tell the survivors of the WTC, Pentagon and the airlines?
Many innocents died under the Taliban and Mujadhadeen<sp>.
Nosferatu
no...@noyb.com says...
> > > Mate, I have truly come to believe that the US believes it is above all
> > > forms of law. Because they have the most powerful offence in the
> world,
> > > they think everyone else agrees with what they are doing.
>
> > Darwin calls it survival of the fittest.
>
> Hmm, but that applies only to species, not to nations within the same
> species.
>
>
> > The U.S. is supposed to ignore the atrocities of 9/11?
>
> Of course not, that's just silly. Why would you suggest that?
>
>
> > Or perhaps the U.S. should have done nothing and waited for it to happen
> again? What do you suggest Einstein?
>
> How about a non-violent defense? Too many of those Hollywood movies have
> gotten male hormones rife. According to Hollywood, the solution is to
> everything is to go around blowing up vans, and bringing down buildings
> everytime there's a dispute.
>
The Taliban had several chances to turn over Usama bin Laden. They
refused and they were harboring him.
> Shutting down suspect bank accounts as has been going on is a very good
> start.
>
Shutting down bank accounts is just a band-aid approach. There are plenty
of rogue nations that have a banking system. They can hide a paper trail
just like Switzerland.
>
>
> > > We must then PUT THEM ON TRIAL for what they have done so the entire
> world can judge them.
> >
> > We must commend them for exacting revenge for the attrocities of 9/11.
>
>
> But innocent civilians did not cuase the atrocities of 9/11.
> What's wrong with a trial? If you're so cock-sure you've done nothing
> wrong, what have you got to lose?
>
To have a trial, we must have the perps in custody.
>
> > > If they have sufficient defence, they will be released, if
> > > not maybe we should execute them like the US government seems to enjoy
> > > executing others on death row who have committed equally abhorent acts.
> >
> > They need no defense other then the God given right to defend their
> country and
> > its values.
>
> But defense does not include the murder of innocent civilians under any
> circumstances! An equal force to resist attack is quite acceptable (and
What good is defence when the act has already been committed?
gutrench
> > where is as you in this statement have made emotional and baseless
> > statements.
> >
> > Historical fact the Nazi party used the same tactics, for taking
> > absolute power in Germany, only thing is they had the Reichstag fires.
>
> Yet more nonsense. Hitler used intimidation and murder to seize power. He
> did not use a Supreme Court and Laws. Quite a difference.
>
are being used by the Bush regime, to do the same thing. So it is not
nonsense it is happening NOW.
> Your idiotic assertions and perserverence are only exceeded by your
> ignorance.
>
> > The Nazi than found a group of people who they blames for this terror
> > activity, THE JEWS, they then produced evidence, rather flimsy at the
> > time, implicating JEWISH terrorist cells. They then went about
> > limiting and removing all the freedoms of the German peoples, the
> > Government then introduced laws, censoring and limiting any
> > information on how the goverment was run. Intermittently, upuntil the
>
> Bullshit. The Nazis merely pointed their finger at the Jews and said they
> are the cause of all your woes. They control the banks and the media and
> everything that makes your lives miserable. This all happened during a
> global depression and Germans were willing to listen. There's a bit more to
> it than this, but this is it in a nutshell. I'm not going to write you a
> book. There are plenty available, try reading one from a source other than
> your propaganda sheet.
>
What Bullshit, you are only confirming what I have said, just in a
different way.
Are you fucking sane.
> Any of this sound familiar? This is what you Muslims say about the Jews
> today.
>
What......are you fucking sane. Which muslim country has said this.
Which muslims have said this, have you in the last three months
watched any news. What the fuck am I saying of course you that
censored crap.
> > invasion of Poland, it invaded Austria and Checkosavakia, under the
> > guise of freeing the German speaking population of those nations. You
>
> And, of course, alarming everyone.
>
Invading, Afghanistan, threatening to Invade Iraq, Somalia, etc.
> > know what happened while this was going on the rest of the world stood
> > by and pontifacated and ooh and aahed.
>
> The world was a different place then. The US was in a isolationist phase.
> There was a devastating depression going on here too. As far as events in
> Europe, those were a world away from the US. And technologically, that was
> true. There was no internet then. There were no computers. There were no
> nuclear weapons. The first flight across the Atlantic had barely been
> accomplished for Pete's sake. Little less intercontinental transports,
> bombers and missiles.
>
What, this is the biggest load of self indulgent hogwash. You know
what you are not a sane person, the more I talk to people like you the
more you confirm, that you have lost all touch with reality.
> > Even then there were individuals pointing out that the world was in
> > grave danger. Do you know what was said about them, NO, read your own
> > fucking post, Fuckwit.
>
> It was not our fight at the time. Because Hitler invaded all of these
> Balkan countries, the US was supposed to drop everything and go to war with
> Germany a whole ocean and continent away? Once again you show your naivety
> and irrationality.
>
> Note, however, we are no longer an isolationist country. Since WWII, we
> have not had that luxury. Many of us would surely like to be as things were
> so much simpler. But we are economically tied to virtually everywhere and
> it is now impossible.
>
OK moron I was using History, too show you that it was being repeated
by the American peoples and its nation. I was showing the
similarities of events that occurred, I was not giving you a fucking
history lesson.
> > Then you finish it of with a story, which is based on what the
> > religious ranting of a fanatical christian crusades.
> >
> > This is what you believe,
> >
> > 1. The trinity concept, no proof even in the bible, but you believe
> > it anyway, cause you are told too.
>
> You've obviously not experienced any of these things. Unfortunate.
>
No your right I have never had a threesome, I have a fantasy about
twin sisters though.
What is unfortunate is that instead of showing me reasoned proof,
dismissing by hypothesis, you come up with this feebleness.
> > 2. Jesus is Son of God, no proof at all for this rather fanciful
> > proposition, the bible states otherwise.
>
> Eye witness testimony that the man died and rose from the dead. All of
> which are every bit as credible as the words of Muhammad. That's why they
> call it faith. Once you accept Jesus into your life, you literally change.
> It is uncanny and I cannot explain it. The word of God is that no man will
> enter heaven without having accepted Jesus.
>
> I am no Bible scholar so I am not going to bandy the scriptures with you.
> Neither am I a Bible thumper and I am not the greatest Christian in the
> world. I do know the difference in the feelings I have, however, when I
> read the word of God and when I read the words of men. Try it if you dare.
>
Ok, again not reasoned well argumented counter points, just this
wastefull bullshit.
> > 3. The original sin concept, this concept dictates that we are all
> > sinfull, however the Prophet Jesus, oh sorry, God came down in Human
> > form and died for our sins till the day of judgement.
> >
> > If you believe these fancifull notion, in your mindset there is no
> > room for reasoned debate, especially when you believe in the Trinity
> > and Jesus is God, BS just because you are told it is true, this is
> > known as being brainwashed.
>
> It appears to me that you are the brainwashed one. You make up history as
> if it is there for you to change and manipulate at your whim. It is not.
>
So do you believe in this fancifull notion or not. By accussing me
rather than defending your faith with reason and logic, you sound like
an idiot.
> >Again, only muslims follow the bible and only muslims understand
> > Jesus, you gave up both of them, when Paul, paganised the teachings of
> > Christ and murdered his followers.
>
> Frankly, your comments about anything are suspect due to the above. As you
> are a liar.
So do you believe in this fancifull notion or not. By accussing me
rather than defending your faith with reason and logic, you sound like
an idiot.
gutrench
> >
> > Now, let us take you forray into my discussion with Jacob T, I provide
> > hard facts that can be verified. Whereas you start of accussing me of
> > being a murderer, I take it that this must be the famed American
> > justice system, where you are presumed guilty, until proven guilty.
> > This mental acrobatics is used by your nation to condemn the afghans.
>
> When it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, I calls it a duck. When it
> spews the propaganda of murderers and terrorists, I calls it a murderer and
> terrorist supporter.
>
Unfortunatly, I see no ducks, just Afghani babies butchered by
Americans.
> >
> > Now you accuse me of being an insane fanatic, in your world, a SS
> > officer I would presume is not
> >
> > Actually, I don't support the Taliban or Bin Laden and for your
> > assertion that I support murderers and terrorists can be thrown on the
> > junk heap, with the same myth that America is a free society. How so,
> > you ask, simply I have condemned the attack on the WTC buildings, I
> > furthermore condemn the terrorist actions of Christian America and
> > Zionist Israel, there now its official I don't support murderers or
> > terrorists.
> >
> > Now do you condemn the actions of Zionist Racist Israel and Christian
> > America?
>
> Certainly not.
>
Barbaric, Loon.
> > > > Secondly, I don't particularly like the Taliban and don't support them
> > > > at all, and secondly I don't support terrorism, seeing as I
> > > > continually condemn Christian America and Zionist Israel and I condemn
> > > > the WTC attack too, in equal meassure.
> > >
> > > Ah, but you like Bin Laden do you not?
> > >
> > Nope.
> >
> > > > At this moment in time in light of the fact that Christian America
> > > > just wiped out a whole village, which included babies, killing moe
> > > > than 107 civilians on purpose your point is rather negated by facts.
> > >
> > > And whose word are you taking on that? Did you see it? What is your
> proof
> > > that it was on purpose? You really do not know, do you? Well I know
> that
> > > the US military does not intentionally kill civilians. I been there
> dude.
> > > Its part of the training and US soldiers will not do it. An order to
> kill a
> > > civilian is illegal and would not be obeyed - little less 107 of them.
> > >
> > Did you see that it was Arabs that flew those planes into the WTC
> > building, where is your proof.
>
> Dude, many people called their families from the planes. Even tried calling
> the cops many of them.
>
Whose word do I have for this, your governments, I don't think so.
> > See the problem we have here is you live in a state/country that
> > support terrorists activities, you don' have a free press. The
> > intellectuals amongts you are weak and pathetic.
>
> Why? Because they don't go out and murder a bunch of innocent people by
> blowing themselves up amidst them? I understand well how medias manipulate
> and sway opinion. Yet our press is as free as they come.
>
No you just use your army to do so. As for the rest of your rather
fancifull notions, I too read fairy tales, but ultimaterly, I know
that they are that just fairy tales. Now you just need to do the same
about you having a free press, it is but a fairy tale.
> > By the way, this was on the BBC and most of the European press, it is
> > these peoples words I am talking about.
>
> Well lets have some links.
>
> > You have really no idea do you, of what is going on in the real world,
> > maybe you should leave disneyland and take a ticket to the real world.
> >
> > By the way whether or not US military kills civilians or not, tell
> > that to the Vietnamese, the Nicaraguans, the peoples of Laos,
> > Cambodia, tell it to the people of Iraq and now Afghanistan, actaully
> > the list is endless, but what do you care, your still going to believe
> > in the crap that your spoonfed daily.
>
> And where should I begin the list about Muslims? I would be typing all
> night. Little less beginning to list your communist friends' attrocities.
>
Here let me get you started,
2 000 000 christian Armenians massacred by the Turks.
the rest is upto you, braggard.
> >
> > Too me it looks like you are just preparing yourselves, in order to
> > become the Fourth Reich.
>
> That's merely because you are looking through the eyes of an American hater
> and supporter of murderers and terrorists.
>
No that is me looking at terrorist and supporters of murderers,
through the eyes of humanity, justice and freedom.
You know what let your nation, gradually sink into the mire of hatred
and terrorism. Once you realise what is happening it will be too
late. People like you will always exist, defending the barbarians and
accusing the oppressed.
You are a bore.
no...@nowhere.com
>
>No that is me looking at terrorist and supporters of murderers,
>through the eyes of humanity, justice and freedom.
>
>You know what let your nation, gradually sink into the mire of hatred
>and terrorism. Once you realise what is happening it will be too
>late. People like you will always exist, defending the barbarians and
>accusing the oppressed.
>
>You are a bore.
TRANSLATION: Qolop, leave me alone and stop exposing me as a liar and
fraud.
Mark Neglay
> > Or perhaps the U.S. should have done nothing and waited for it to happen
> again? What do you suggest Einstein?
>
> How about a non-violent defense?
That sure worked well to defend Europe from Hitler.
> > Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in
> patriotism by the majority of Americans.
>
> There has also been a severe increase in world-wide hatred towards the US,
> not least due to the fact that you've been killing innocent civilians -
> AGAIN!
Parts of the world do hate the us, but I see no evidence that this
animosity has increased. Meanwhile, we are improving our
relationships with the people of many countries. Russia, China, and
Cuba come to mind.
> (Unless you're an innocent Afghan civilian,
> in which case you'll probably die anyway at the hands of US military
> aggression, er I mean peace-keeping missions, of course).
I suppose that when Canadian, Russian, British and US forces 'invaded'
Germany at the end of the war, that was an act of aggression that
killed innocents and was thus unjustifiable.
Jean Guernon
schooley a écrit :
Impossible since it is against the commandments God gave Moses. To
strive mean to strive. Unless terrorists make you believe otherwise. Or
else show me where it says otherwise.
>
> > Only one thing I need to know. Post where the 72 virgins are in the
> > Koran. What surah and verse.
>
> There are only three appearances of forms of the word "virgin" in the Quran;
> None apply to "72 virgins". Likewise, the reported "62 virgins" I have also
> heard is not in the Quran. It is another Muslim lie, created out of thin
> air. They are not promised any "virgins" at all.
I see.
>
> > Post where it says that Allah likes aggressors, post where it can
> > explains why the Palies believe they can attack civilians and expect to
> > be rewarded in the afterlife.
>
> See above large batch of suras.
As I said this is not conclusive. To strive doesn't mean to fight. These
are two different words. Maybe the terrorists do make believe that it
does mean the same thing, but it contradicts the Koran. I have to see
where it specifically "murder!". Not "strive", come on.
>
> > This goes agaisnt anything I read so far. It goes against God himself
> > anmy way you put it. How can they claim Allah is with them.
>
> The same way most godless religions do - in extreme hypocrisy and with no
> evidence showing otherwise, that's how.
>
> > I need to know where that is in the Koran.
>
> Have you ever thought of downloading your own version of the Quran? But,
> unless you have the gumption to read Bible Scripture and do some comparing,
> you won't get much out of the Quran.
I have a koran here that is how I know to read when I wonder about
something, but I never read it all. I always found what I look for in
very little search, but what I am asking I am sure i won't find because
Islamists tell me it is not there. Still I need to know what part they
use to interpret it badly (72 virgins - suicide for God - murder for
God) and I don't know the Koran enough to have any idea. But I hardly
see what striving has to do with murder. Struggle, maybe? Even then! But
striving? Come on.
No, I need specific verse on that, or else it has to be demonstrated
that it is totally against anything sacred, which it really is anyway.
That anyone making any of these acts, whatever their motivation will be
punished by God most severely, and those using God to push these people
to their demise, even more so.
But first we have to know where that comes from.
People who commit these terror acts are fanatical that have studied the
Koran. It can't be out of thin air like you say, the 72 virgins, it has
to be from somewhere. Impossible that they would buy that tale from an
individual.
>
> > The rest is of no sue to me, where ou compare the Koran to the Bible, so
> > what? They will do the same. And each has his own knowledge that God has
> > allowed them to have about Himself.
>
> Muslims, in light of the fact that much of the Quran and Quranic principals
> were stolen from Scripture, can't make even the minimalist defense of their
> twisted Quran. So far, true to Muslim nature of extreme cowardice, they have
> ALL tucked tail and run away. They can make NO defense of that lie; the
> obvious questions that pop up are just too hard for them.
Never occurred to you that we also got the old testament as they did?
The use of some common scriptures may be the sign of their validity.
>
> Just because someone has a false and twisted image of "god" does not at all
> mean that HE sanctioned it at all. You are speaking from the faulty
> standpoint that if God "allows" someone to have a (false) image of him that
> he somehow "inspired" it. Wrong; he did not (if that were the case, all
> would have the same image of him, NOT such a diverse conglomeration that we
> have today).
>
Well, the Jews could say that of Christians. I guess I am not asking you
then. Anyone else that would answer my question is welcome.
God is God. I think he has his secrets and I am not going to argue with
you as I wouldn't argue with a Moslem that would tell me the exact
opposite.
You see, my motivation is not religious, faith is one thing, I know the
Christian scriptures, my motivation is political.
I am not here to argue with you the validity of the Moslem faith.
I am looking only to find how these assassins were fooled.
It has to be somewhere in the Moslem scriptures even if, ultimately, one
would presume it is some bad interpretations of them.
This is what concerns me here. Only that.
So if anyone knows these things, I would be grateful if they could tell
me where to find them. Thank you.
J.
Jean Guernon
BabelFish a écrit :
Nope, not in the scriptures.
The scriptures of these three religions are clear, God himself told all
three religions the same commandment: "Thou shalt not kill".
The justification is not from religion, if anything, these 3 religions
prevent us from killing each other all the time. But ONLY the Moslem
faith has that loophole somehow, and I need to see where. If anyone can
help me thanks in advance. Don't bother otherwise. I am looking for
verses, not a speech.
Thank you for your understanding.
J.