It has been reported by many news agencies that the US airforces
attacked a village yesterday and killed over one hundred civilians in
the village. One of these reports is on the following link at the UK
newspaper, the Times.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2001605885,00.html

As usual, the US says the village had Al-Qaeda and Taliban commanders.
The fool people will believe that, without even asking simple
questions such as "Who are those commanders? Can you name one of them?
Who is controlling that village? Is it Taliban or the new US installed
govt.?"

This type of mass murdering has happened many times so far. A few days
ago, another village in Kabul has been equalized with the ground
level. And before that, convey of vehicles has been eliminated,
killing over 60 civilians, and many, many more.

Now I am not writing this article to complain about this dirty US act.
This is a standard US policy and will never change. I am just
wondering about the international human right organizations. Where are
they? They haven't even sent their people there to investigate these
US crimes. We have seen them condemning Taliban for preventing women
from going to school. Why they are not condemning the US for killing
these women? Taliban has said that they cannot educate them for
financial reasons. But this excuse was not accepted. Now they are not
even asking the US to give any excuse for killing them.

What a miserable world we are living in. Poor Afghan people do not
have any value. No body bothers about them. Or even ask the question
why they are killed. It is okay. Their blood is cheap and their lives
are even cheaper. As long as the US remains in the driving seat and
the whole world is following it blindly, this human misery will
continue.

Wait a minute. For all third world poor people, don't give up hope.
Soon you will have all the rights that you have dreamed of for very
long time. Just support Osama bin Laden. He is the one who is going to
destroy this evil country. A few years ago, when the US attacked his
bases in Afghanistan with Tomahawk Missiles, he said he would make the
US cry blood for what she did. And he did it. Now he is saying he is
going to destroy the US. I believe he will be able to do it.

This man is a brain and the US govt. is stupid. The US is like a blind
child carrying a gun and shooting on everybody. Or like a Spanish ox
that tries to run behind everybody and finally gets beaten up. Fools
always loose, no matter how strong they are.

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when all is said and done you will find America killed 1/100th of the
innocent people that the taliban did. also wheras America would have
done it by accident, the taliban did it for fun.

jp

We don't have to reveal our intelligence and intelligence sources.  We need
to keep the information close to our vests in order to protect the good
people of Afghanistan on the ground who provide information for us.

It should be obvious to the layman that peasant villagers do not fire
shoulder-fired missles into the air so the place was obviously a hotbed on
Al Qaida.

Also, it should be pretty clear that we can destroy any village we want if
we so choose, so why did we destroy this particular village and not a
hundred others in the area?  Just to watch these particular villagers die
and nobody else?  If our goal was to kill Afghan villagers, hundreds of
villages would be wiped out every single day.  Therefore, it is pretty
obvious that we are specifically hunting Al Qaida.

Bullseye!

Mate, I have truly come to believe that the US believes it is above all
forms of law.   Because they have the most powerful offence in the world,
they think everyone else agrees with what they are doing.

We must be pro-active and capture the American leaders (and soldiers) that
are carrying out these atrocities before they can do any more damage.    We
must then PUT THEM ON TRIAL for what they have done so the entire world can
judge them.     If they have sufficient defence, they will be released, if
not maybe we should execute them like the US government seems to enjoy
executing others on death row who have committed equally abhorent acts.

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I'm sure the belgium courts will be happy to host your kangaroo court when
they are done with their sham trial of sharon.

No, we are under God's law, but as the only remaining superpower in the
world, we DO have responsibilities to the civilized world to make sure that
militant Islam ceases to threaten the civilized world.

It is nice that the UN and NATO unanimously backs the US War on Terrorism,
but even if they didn't we have the responsibility to stop militant Islam.

Killing Taliban and Al Qaida is not "damage", it is "medicine".

Just what the doctor ordered!!

Heh, heh ... the Taliban already tried that and now they are fried
hamburger.

The Afghans are dancing in the streets with joy over the removal of the
Taliban.  I even saw footage of Afghan women KISSING THE AMERICAN FLAG in
Kabul after their liberation from Muslim oppression.

Face it ... militant Islam is now in decline!!!

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I saw a documentary last night about slavery and how over the
centuries nations have economically exploited each other for goods.
This is normal for the human species.

We are gradually developing a conscience about it, just as we are
gradually developing a conscience about mistreating other species.

We are redeveloping a conscience about killing civilians after Hitler
taught the world it was OK, and everyone fell in line.

The home video recorder may be the tool that finally stops the
practice.

At the same time we need to develop a conscience about overbreeding.
If we persist in that, wars, famines and pestilence are a natural
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Darwin calls it survival of the fittest.  If you don't like it, but live in the
U.S., then leave.  If you live elswhere then believe what you want, but, by all
means, stay there.

We must be pro-active and rise up against cry baby liberals, such as yourself,
who do not have what it takes to arrive at a real solution to a problem, yet
scream their frigging mouths off anytime they disagree with someone else's
solution.  You and your type make me sick.  The U.S. is supposed to ignore the
atrocities of 9/11?  Or perhaps the U.S. should have done nothing and waited
for it to happen again?  What do you suggest Einstein?

We must commend them for exacting revenge for the attrocities of 9/11.

They need no defense other then the God given right to defend their country and
its values.

              IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT

         I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are
  offending some individual or their culture.

         Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced
  a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However, the dust
  from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct"
  crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism
  was offending others.

         I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against
  anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our
  population is almost entirely comprised of descendants of immigrants.

         However, there are a few things that those who have recently
  come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.

         This idea of America being a multicultural community has served
  only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As
  Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language
  and our own lifestyle.

         This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles,
  trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought
  freedom. We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese,
  Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part
  of our society, learn the language!

         "In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some
  Christian, right wing, political slogan.

         We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on
  Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly
  documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls
  of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider
  another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of
  our culture.

         If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam,
  then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.
  We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we
  really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR
  COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle.

         Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express
  his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But,
  once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag,
  our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage
  you to take advantage of one other great American freedom,
  THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.

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I have a couple of points.

1. If you think you can come over and arrest US leaders and put them on
trial then do it, what is stopping you.  Oh yes, its the fact that we have
the strongest military in the world, so you resort to just whinning and
crying.

2. What jurisdiction does the world have over the US, and exactly what
moral authority do they claim.  Maybe Zimbabwe president Mugabe will be
chief justice on this court, since he has just a spotless human rights
record (100,000 dead or missing).  Maybe Fidel Castro can be the
prosecutor, since he knows all about police states and silencing dissent.  
Maybe we can find The ortega brothers, leaders of the Sandinistas or Papa
Doc the former leader of Haiti.  Maybe we can hold this court in South
Africa where hundreds of people are killed daily.  Maybe Momar Quadafi and
Saddem Hussein can testify against american cruelty.

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And you believe he will destroy the USA ?

With what  ?

His smelly underarms ?

His heroin stash ?

The last sentence you make however is true , fools do always lose.

The fools however are actually the muslim idiots like yourself who support
Bin laden.

Killing people is no moral problem for me if they are bin laden supporters.

So bring it on Daylight and all your backwards fundie friends as the USA has
plenty more anti terrorist actions planned for you this coming year.

Feel free to join the party but don't expect to leave it in one piece, just
like what happened to the Taliban.

Daylight a écrit :

Of course they never bomb for nothing. They have to justify the cost.

Only, the enemy will make believe otherwise.

Like you.

J.

Joe, Human Beings are just another resource that this planet has to offer.
All of this planets resources are for our personal use in achieving the
collective goal of ManKind.

It has nothing to do with race, colour, creed, or religion.  It has
everything to do with production and consumption... whether it be
intellectual, material, or 'spiritual'.

It is when a persons actions (not beliefs or stated beliefs) interfere,
prevent, or threaten the human spirit (and it's ability to purchase and
consume mass quantities) that the person becomes an 'undesirable' resource.

Now, you aren't trying to interfere in this endeavor are you?

Well?!?

Are you?!!!

;)

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America is no superpower, it is in decline, its decline can be
measured in its total lack of morals.

You appear to be a Zionist funded heathen.  The fear of Islam and its
truth, is measured by the underhand and rather barbaric methods being
used to suppress it.

Why is it that people like you, keep on forgetting that German
christian killed 6 million Jews.  Is it because zionist, agents like
yourself are a bunch of whores.

Actually, the only other partner in this War against the Poor and non
christians/zionists, will go down in history as the greatest crime
against humanity the world has ever known.

You might have won the battle, but you have already lost the war.

The same way Christians Germans saw the murdering of 6 000 000 + jews
as medicine.  Interesting Jacob T.

Just like 6 000 000 + jews who were gased at the hands of Christian
Germans. Interesting.

I notice that you take the posters message out of the original thread
and then replied to it.

Very clever, interesting that you need to do this, the original post
was under the subject heading

'Killing Poor People Is No Problem - US Policy'

There is no such thing as militant Islam, but from your replies in
this post I see that your bigotry and racism have reached a new level
of rabidness.

From your post, you are a white Zionist Scumbag, but I could be wrong.
 I am sure you will confirm my hunch, by posting another crass erply.

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Nope a still see it right under here.

Gen. Sherman's Advice

By George F. Will
Thursday, December 27, 2001; Page A23

"I fear the world will jump to the wrong conclusion that because I am in
Atlanta the work is done. Far from it. We must kill three hundred thousand I
have told you of so often, and the further they run the harder for us to get
them."

-- Gen. William Tecumseh

Sherman, 1864

America's Civil War provides many analogies by which we measure -- and
sometimes misunderstand -- today's military developments, and American ways
of waging war.

Because facets of the Afghanistan operations -- real-time intelligence,
stealthy aircraft, precision munitions -- are so modern, we miss the fact
that the war requires an American tradition of warmaking that has a
19th-century pedigree. And the bloody uprisings by fanatical Taliban and al
Qaeda prisoners underscore the pertinence of Sherman's understanding of how
to define victory over an intensely motivated enemy.

When military operations in Afghanistan began, just four weeks after Sept.
11 and three weeks after Gen. Tommy Franks was told to begin planning
attacks, some critics were quick to say the operations did not begin quickly
enough. Then they said the tempo of operations was too torpid. Critics
compared Franks -- and Colin Powell, ever mindful of allies'
sensibilities -- to Gen. George McClellan. Those were fighting words,
because McClellan was a reluctant fighter.

One of President Lincoln's commanders, McClellan was notoriously reluctant
to close with Confederate forces, the strength of which he consistently
overestimated. This drove Lincoln to distraction, and to sarcasm about
hoping to "borrow" the Army if McClellan was not using it.

Sherman, an energetic user of the Army, believed its principal use against
the Confederacy was not to occupy territory but to destroy enemy personnel.
His reason for believing this has contemporary resonance during a war
against fanatics, many of whom come from the privileged strata of corrupt
and exploitative societies.

Long before secession, Sherman despised the South for its caste and class
systems. In 1843, when stationed in South Carolina, he wrote: "This state,
their aristocracy . . . their patriarchal chivalry and glory -- all trash.
No people in America are so poor in reality, no people so poorly provided
with the comforts of life."

So why did the Confederate army, composed mostly of poor whites, fight for a
social system beneficial only to a tiny landed minority? Partly because of
the elan of its martial elite, those whom Sherman called "young bloods" who
were "brave, fine riders, bold to rashness and dangerous in every sense."

Sherman, writes professor Victor Davis Hanson in his book "The Soul of
Battle," considered the Confederacy "a motley conglomeration of distrustful
factions." Sherman thought the really dangerous faction -- dangerous during
the war, and potentially afterward -- consisted of what Hanson calls "young
zealots, men between 18 and 40 who often formed the cavalry of the South and
were led by rabid knights like Nathan Bedford Forrest, Joseph Wheeler and
Jeb Stuart. These fanatics . . . were the children of the wealthy, excellent
horsemen, full of youthful vigor and insolence."

The South, although militarily weak, "fielded," Hanson says, "individual
warriors who were among the most gallant and deadly in the entire history of
warfare." Hence what Sherman called "the awful fact": Victory required "that
the present class of men who rule the South must be killed outright."

Donald Rumsfeld says his preference is for al Qaeda fighters to surrender
rather than fight to the death: "It ends it faster. It's less expensive."
Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, says: "This is not a war
of extermination." Such statements are perhaps obligatory and even sincere.

However, is surrender really less expensive in the long run? It is a
reasonable surmise that a reformed terrorist is a very rare terrorist, and
that the rate of recidivism will be high among terrorists who are forced to
surrender but continue to believe they are doing God's will when they commit
mass murder of infidels. So, as far as is consistent with the rules of war
and the husbanding of the lives of U.S. military personnel, U.S. strategy
should maximize fatalities among the enemy, rather than expedite the
quickest possible cessation of hostilities.

Many Americans will vehemently reject any analogy between Confederate and al
Qaeda elites. But Sherman might have felt vindicated by a postwar letter
from one former Confederate general to another, D. H. Hill to Jubal Early:

"Why has the South become so toadyish & sycophantic? I think it is because
the best and noblest were killed off during the war."

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you are under Gods law, then you better pre-pare yourselves.

Okay, I grant you that one.
I love it when a plan comes together.
I don`t like americas economic world plans and WHAM
the temple of mercury comes tumbling down.
I don`t like the taliban for destroying old artifacts and now
they get their share.(and the treatment of people by them)
It`s a win win situation, thank you God.Allah, Jesus, whatever.

Yeah, lets put everyone on trial, lets have a blast.

Yep, lets see what i come up with next.
Landing a airplanbe on a frontlawn was very tricky

Yep, everything falls into place.

Wow, yep, they must have been desperate.

I don`t know, I might use them again , they are so good
followers.

ankhor
O+-3~
)O+->

Time for another educational lesson for america.
It`s natures turn to hit america, they can`t send all their
forces to fight the wind or the earth.
2002 will be a memorable year.

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So nature is going to terrorize the USA for fighting back against terrorists
?

Very creative writing.

Hmm, but that applies only to species, not to nations within the same
species.

Of course not, that's just silly.    Why would you suggest that?

again?  What do you suggest Einstein?

How about a non-violent defense?    Too many of those Hollywood movies have
gotten male hormones rife.    According to Hollywood, the solution is to
everything is to go around blowing up vans, and bringing down buildings
everytime there's a dispute.

Shutting down suspect bank accounts as has been going on is a very good
start.

world can judge them.

But innocent civilians did not cuase the atrocities of 9/11.
What's wrong with a trial?   If you're so cock-sure you've done nothing
wrong, what have you got to lose?

But defense does not include the murder of innocent civilians under any
circumstances!     An equal force to resist attack is quite acceptable (and
indeed recognised in many countries' laws), but any more than 'reasonable
force' constitutes an offence in itself - unless of course you believe
you're above the law and that it doesn't apply to you.

individual or their culture.

Why?   We all live on the same planet as everyone else.   If you don't take
into consideration other nations and other people's feelings, they will
probably come along and attack....    oh no, that's already happened, hasn't
it!

patriotism by the majority of Americans.

There has also been a severe increase in world-wide hatred towards the US,
not least due to the fact that you've been killing innocent civilians -
AGAIN!

"politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our
patriotism was offending others.

Well maybe you should listen to them then.    If you cannot adapt to new
situations and environments, you are doomed to extinction - that's
Darwinism!      Lol. Lol. Lol.

seeking a better life by coming to America.

Good.  Because if you did, that would be racist.

dilute our sovereignty and our national identity.

What are you ranting on about now?    If the US population is 'almost
entirely' made up of immigrants, then they ARE the national identity.
You seem to be wanting to live in the past all the times.     Don't forget,
those that don't adapt, die.     (Unless you're an innocent Afghan civilian,
in which case you'll probably die anyway at the hands of US military
aggression, er I mean peace-keeping missions, of course).

lifestyle....

So does every other nation.    Your point please?

Own language?

You mean the language they call 'American', er no.   Sorry that's not right,
is it?   It's called English.   Isn't that a place on the other side of the
planet somewhere?   Some island somewhere?     Spoken by what, let me see
now, there's also Canada, Australia, New Zealand, parts of Africa.   Need I
go on?     It's also the primary business language of the world;  and it's
not called American!

victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

So have a lot of other countries.   You are nothing special.

other language.

Oh, I'm surprised you haven't arrogantly changed it's name to 'American'
yet.   Still, I'm sure you will do given time.    And if you're made up of
so many immigrants, you must be speaking many languages, no?

Maybe you should begin learning others' languages, that way you will begin
to appreciate other cultures, and maybe begin to understand why 9/11
happened.

Integrate!

wing, political slogan.

principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is
certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools.

Ah, now we come to the crunch of 9/11.   A clash of religions.  A clash of
cultures.   Each side refusing to embrace each other - indeed refusing to
even acknowledge their existences unless forced to do so.

as your new home, because God is part of our culture.

Why don't you change?    Why are you always expecting everyone else to
change to meet your expectations???

should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.

Why don't you learn to live alongside other people, instead of pushing them
apart?

Lol.   Since when did you start speaking for every other person on the
continent?

OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle.

You sound like you're about to go sit in the corner and sulk!     Is you
bottom lip quivering because you're not getting your own way anymore.   Ah.

Why?  What are you going to do?  Have me beaten up if I don't go?

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This is Afghanistan not the United States of America we are talking about.
Nothing is so clear.

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Nope for first aiding terrorists when they fight their "enemy" and
then turning against them.

Yeah, i know, I just love those prophets that are mentioned in the book.
They say those things so colourfull. Those days God was a righteous dude.

We have better morals than you Muslims and had to free the Afghan people
from your vicious oppression.  Now they dance with joy in the streets, and
kiss the America flag.

No, a self-sufficcient Christain.

We do not fear militant Islam, but are disgusted with its evil and therefore
will destroy it.

The folly and the hate of Islam is clear for all to see.

We will bomb your Muslim terrorists until they are all dead.

It is we great Christians in America who destroyed Nazi Germany and bombed
Japan into submission.  Now they have reformed themselves, thanks to our
leadership.  The same will happen in the barbaric Muslim world, and we will
FORCE you to beat your weapons into plows.

God Bless Israel.  You can't touch Israel because Israel is protected by the
ALmight God.  And it really angers you, doesn't it?

Enjoy!  Because there ain't a damn thing you can do about it.

Everyone supports us, even the Afghan people who KISSED the American flag
when the Taliban were destroyed.

The terrorists aren't poor  ... they have sugar daddy Osama, or at least the
y did until America came and kicked his wicked Muslim ass!

The world cheers America's War against Terrorism and rejoices with each new
militant Muslim death.

Hallelujah!!

We have one the battle, but haven't even warmed up yet.

Christian America stopped criminal Hitler, not helped him, and he was no
Christian.

Now you Muslims should kill your own criminal murderers instead of waiting
for the great USA to do it.

Christian America stopped criminal Hitler, not helped him, and he was no
Christian.

Now you Muslims should kill your own criminal murderers instead of waiting
for the great USA to do it.

No, I just tailor the title to fit the content.

Not clever, just more focused.

And that title itself was in error.

Sure there is .. we just killed thousands of murdering Taliban Muslims, and
will kill tousands more.

Get used to it.

I am rabidly against racism and bigotry and defend liberation, freedom and
truth.

You are wrong as usual.

No, I will just correct the numerous errors and lies you just posted.

If they fire at US soldiers they will be "toasted".

It's as simple as that.

("you are either with the terrorists or with the US -- make your choice!")

I would like to believe that, but i have a feeling we may be
increasing "militant islam" logarithmically.

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What book are you talking about , a superman comic ?

Do you think you are somehow a prophet ?

So I guess when a tornado hits Arkansas , you will think a 'god' is
responsible.
Feel free to continue with your delusions with reards to why 'natural
diasaters' will occur in the future.