Cheney's Iraq/Al-Qaeda Lies Turn Pathological
Gandalf Grey
Cheney Unrelenting on War Policy
The vice president repeats assertions of Hussein-Al Qaeda ties and implies
that Clinton repeatedly failed to punish terrorists.
By Peter Wallsten and Josh Meyer
Times Staff Writers
July 2, 2004
NEW ORLEANS - Returning to the controversy about Saddam Hussein's links with
Al Qaeda terrorists, Vice President Dick Cheney on Thursday repeated his
assertion that "long-established ties" existed between the former Iraqi
dictator and the terrorist network.
Speaking hours after Hussein's appearance in a Baghdad courtroom on charges
of mass killings and other crimes against humanity, Cheney offered a broad
assessment of the Bush administration's fight against terrorism, saying that
President Bush had made the world safer by taking "relentless action" and
launching "a broad and sustained war on terrorist networks around the
globe."
Cheney, addressing Republican supporters at the National D-Day Museum, also
leveled implicit criticism at Bush's predecessor, former President Clinton.
"Consider for a moment how matters stood at the time when President Bush and
I were sworn into office on Jan. 20th, 2001," he said. "Terrorists were on
the offensive around the world, emboldened by many years of unanswered
attacks. Repeatedly, they had struck America with little cost or
consequence."
The speech underscored renewed efforts by the White House to rebuild support
for its Iraq policies amid continuing violence in that country and the
handover this week of sovereignty to an interim government.
Recent polls have indicated that the American public is growing increasingly
concerned about U.S. casualties in Iraq and uncertain that the war was worth
the cost.
In his remarks, Cheney returned to a debate over the nature of the links
between Hussein's regime and Al Qaeda.
The debate is significant because of the rationale the Bush administration
laid out for attacking Iraq and forcing Hussein from power. Bush said before
the war that Hussein "aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al
Qaeda," and that Hussein could slip catastrophic weapons to terrorists.
Two weeks ago, the staff of the independent commission investigating the
Sept. 11 attacks issued a report that downplayed the significance of Iraqi
ties to Al Qaeda. Although the report cited multiple contacts between Iraqi
officers and Osama bin Laden's terrorist group, it said those contacts did
not "appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship."
When the report was released, Massachusetts Sen. John F. Kerry, all but
certain to be the Democrats' nominee to face Bush this fall, said the
president had "misled" the country and owed "the American people a
fundamental explanation."
But Cheney on Thursday repeated his assertions of high-level ties between
Iraq and terrorists, including members of Al Qaeda. "These ties included
senior-level contacts going back a decade," he said.
Cheney said Hussein had sent a brigadier general from the Iraqi intelligence
service to Sudan in the early 1990s to train Al Qaeda in bomb-making and
document forgery.
He also said Iraq gave sanctuary to one of the 1993 World Trade Center
bombers and, later, to terrorist mastermind Abu Musab Zarqawi, whom he
described as a "senior Al Qaeda associate."
Previous comments by Cheney about the brigadier general, as well as comments
on other elements of the Iraq-Al Qaeda ties, prompted the chairman and vice
chairman of the Sept. 11 commission two weeks ago to urge the vice president
to turn over any additional information that the panel did not have.
Al Felzenberg, spokesman for the Sept. 11 commission, would not comment
Thursday on whether the White House had provided the panel's staff with any
new information since then. But he said the staff had not reviewed any new
material that had led it to revise its findings.
"We believe we have seen all the information the vice president has seen,
and stand by the staff statement released at the last hearing," Felzenberg
said.
A senior administration official said that much of the information Cheney
discussed Thursday had been included in a letter that CIA Director George J.
Tenet sent to the Senate Intelligence Committee in 2002. It was unclear
whether that letter was the source of Cheney's information about the Iraqi
brigadier general.
Zarqawi, a Jordanian-born militant, and his supporters have been blamed for
much violence in Iraq, including the coordinated attacks on police and
security forces last week that killed more than 100 people, as well as the
beheading of an American and a South Korean hostage.
Cheney said Zarqawi had taken sanctuary in Baghdad after coalition forces
drove him from Afghanistan, and that "the Iraqi regime refused to turn over
Zarqawi even when twice being provided with detailed information on his
presence" there.
Terrorism experts have differed on whether Zarqawi is affiliated with Al
Qaeda or whether he runs his own terrorist network. Some say he was far more
closely tied to opposition groups in Iraq such as Ansar al Islam, a largely
Kurdish radical group, than to Hussein.
Responding to Cheney's speech, the Kerry campaign said the Bush
administration had made "exaggerations" as it laid out its case for war in
Iraq.
"The American people are losing confidence in the president's handling of
the war on terror, and the Bush campaign is running scared," said Phil
Singer, a Kerry campaign spokesman.
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"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so
long as I'm the dictator." - GW Bush 12/18/2000.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that
we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
---Theodore Roosevelt
"For us to get bogged down in the quagmire
of an Iraqi civil war would be the height of foolishness."
---Defense Secretary Dick Cheney, 1991
Johnny asia
<ganda...@infectedmail.com> wrote:
>http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-cheney2jul02,1,2564320.story?coll=la-news-a_section
>
>Cheney Unrelenting on War Policy
>The vice president repeats assertions of Hussein-Al Qaeda ties
Cheney is just preaching to the choir in Bush's neo-christian blood
cult, American fundamentalist "christianity".
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=3&u=/nm/20040706/pl_nm/iraq_cheney_dc
Cheney Had No New Data on Saddam, Al Qaeda-Panel
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Sept. 11 commission, which reported no
collaborative links between Iraq and al Qaeda, said on Tuesday that
Vice President Dick Cheney had no more information than commission
investigators to support his later assertions to the contrary.
The 10-member bipartisan panel investigating the 2001 attacks on New
York and Washington said it reached its conclusion after reviewing
available transcripts of Cheney's public remarks asserting
long-standing links between the former Iraqi president and Osama Bin
Laden's Islamist militant network.
"The 9-11 Commission believes it has access to the same information
the vice president has seen regarding contacts between al Qaeda and
Iraq prior to the 9-11 attacks," the commission said in a statement.
+
"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
Johnny Asia, Pope-About-Town
The First Church of Common Sense
Want to know what's REALLY going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
Cowboys and Idiots: The Reagan Administration
Ronnies' "Brave freedom fighters" are now Bushs'
"evildoers" who "hate our freedoms".
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
Johnny asia
By HAMZA HENDAWI, Associated Press Writer
SAMARRA, Iraq - The 19-year-old Iraqi's swimming skills were no match
for the Tigris. "Marwan, save me!" Zaidoun Fadel Hassoun screamed to
his cousin, himself struggling to stay afloat. The teenager drowned;
his cousin made it to shore. "I could hear them laughing," Marwan
Fadel Hassoun said, recalling how U.S. soldiers pushed the young men
into the river. "They were behaving like they were watching a comedy
on stage."
The U.S. military said last week that three soldiers, now back in
their base at Fort Carson, Colo., have been charged with involuntary
manslaughter in the Jan. 3 drowning of an Iraqi detainee. A fourth
soldier faces charges of pushing a second man, who survived, into the
same river.
The military identified the victims only as Mr. Fadel and Mr. Fadhil.
The four soldiers face between 5 1/2 years and 26 1/2 years in prison
if convicted on all charges.
With every such death, Iraqis point to what they see as the
heavy-handedness of the U.S. military. The resentment is deeper when
the victims are relatives, friends or neighbors.
Zaidoun Hassoun was to have finished high school this year. Three
weeks before his death, he got engaged to a cousin, and he hoped to
start a family in Samarra, a trade and agriculture center whose name
means "pleasant to those who see it."
For Marwan Hassoun, a bearded and burly 23-year-old who attends a
teachers' college, the death robbed him of a companion and a childhood
friend. Zaidoun's voice pleading for help still echoes in his ears.
"Every time I see an American soldier, a Humvee or a tank I become
agitated. Many emotions rush into my mind: confusion, fear and rage. I
am constantly thinking of how I could have helped Zaidoun. I feel so
much guilt, but prayers and reading the Quran keep me going," he said.
Johnny asia
Tempest
Another al Qaeda recruit.
Thanks George!
--
"The true axis of evil in America is the brilliance of our marketing
combined with the stupidity of our people."
- Bill Maher
Julian D.
Anyone with even the slightest potential to become an al Qaeda recruit
is already an enemy of the United States and requires death.
JD
The closer we get to the election, the more sedition, treason,
and death threats against the president we'll see from
the Left. Especially as they realize Bush will more than likely
win.
-Me
"Many of you are well enough off that ... the tax cuts may have
helped you. We're saying that for America to get back on track,
we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THINGS AWAY FROM YOU ON BEHALF OF THE COMMON GOOD."
-Senator Hillary Clinton, Soviet Admirer
http://tinyurl.com/2n6lr
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/06/28/politics2039EDT0165.DTL&type=printable
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
-Karl Marx
If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence.
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel.
"When I left office, there was a substantial amount of biological
and chemical material unaccounted for . . . it is incontestable that
on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks . . . "
-Bill Clinton
Larry King Live
July 22, 2003
Johnny asia
Tue Jul 6, 2004
By Charles Aldinger
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Only 90 of the more than 5,700 people in
custody in Iraq (news - web sites) as security risks are foreign
fighters, defense officials said on Tuesday, a figure that suggests
the Bush administration may have overstated the role of outside
militants in the deadly insurgency.
The officials, who asked not to be identified, said the U.S. military
command handling security detention facilities in Iraq confirmed a
report in USA Today that fewer than 2 percent of those in custody were
foreigners.
The small percentage indicates the war in Iraq may not have attracted
very many Islamic militants from other countries.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=5&u=/nm/20040706/ts_nm/iraq_usa_detainees_dc
Gandalf Grey
"Julian D." <ju...@ersatz.com> wrote in message
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I'll send Ashcroft over to your house right away.
> The closer we get to the election, the more sedition, treason,
> and death threats against the president we'll see from
> the Left.
And the more panic attacks and charges of treason we'll see from the
anti-American right.
Tempest
Moron.
They wouldn't be anti-U.S. if Bush hadn't gone into Iraq and killed tens
of thousands of innocent people.
> The closer we get to the election, the more sedition, treason,
> and death threats against the president we'll see from
> the Left. Especially as they realize Bush will more than likely
> win.
Even if you have to imagine it, right jules?
> "Many of you are well enough off that ... the tax cuts may have
> helped you. We're saying that for America to get back on track,
> we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you.
> WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THINGS AWAY FROM YOU ON BEHALF OF THE COMMON GOOD."
>
> -Senator Hillary Clinton, Soviet Admirer
> http://tinyurl.com/2n6lr
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/06/28/politics2039EDT0165.DTL&type=printable
Taken out of context, naturally.
Tempest
I really believe we'll see brownshirt patrols in the streets before the
election.
Richard Weasel
news:40EB89C...@hotmail.com...
Yes, and they won't be government troops. They will be from Halliburton's
private army.
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---Richard
A Fundamentalist of the Right?
"He had indeed conversed so entirely with money, that it may be almost
doubted, whether he imagined there was any other thing really existing in
the world; this at least may be certainly averred, that he firmly believed
nothing else to have any real value."
--- Henry Fielding, TOM JONES ---
Johnny asia
"Our goal has been achieved. The Religious Right is solidly in place,
and religious conservatives in America are now in for the duration" -
Jerry Falwell
Jerry Falwell, appearing on CNN, claimed, "global warming is a myth.
. I can tell you, our grandchildren will laugh at those who predicted
global warming. We’ll be cooler by then, if the Lord hasn’t
returned..."
At the end of the spot, Falwell said, "I urge everyone to go out and
buy an SUV today."
"I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the
feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to
make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American
Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the
finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen'. - Jerry
Falwell, 9/13/01, appearing with Pat Robertson, explaining the reasons
for the attacks on 9/11.
"The mission of the Christian Coalition is simple. It is to mobilize
Christians -- one precinct at a time, one community at a time -- until
once again we are the head and not the tail, and at the top rather
than the bottom of our political system. The Christian Coalition will
be the most powerful political force in America by the end of this
decade. We have enough votes to run this country...and when the people
say, 'We've had enough,' we're going to take over!" -Pat Robertson
"It is interesting, that termites don't build things, and the great
builders of our nation almost to a man have been Christians, because
Christians have the desire to build something. He is motivated by love
of man and God, so he builds. The people who have come into (our)
institutions (today) are primarily termites. They are into destroying
institutions that have been built by Christians, whether it is
universities, governments, our own traditions, that we have.... The
termites are in charge now, and that is not the way it ought to be,
and the time has arrived for a godly fumigation." - Pat Robertson, New
York Magazine, August 18, 1986
Johnny asia
BAGHDAD (AFP) The U.S. military on Tuesday announced that three
Marines assigned to the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force were killed
while on duty in western Iraq. Two died in action Monday in the Anbar
province, while a third died of his wounds later Monday.
Another four U.S. Marines were killed Tuesday in the Anbar province
while conducting security and stability operations on Tuesday, the
U.S. military said Wednesday.
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Insurgents battled U.S. troops and Iraqi security
forces in central Baghdad on Wednesday as the interim government
signed into effect a new security law giving itself wider powers to
combat militants.
Two U.S. helicopters fired at a building in the central Haifa Street
area during the fighting, a Reuters photographer said. Black smoke
poured from the building after the strikes.
The helicopters launched their attack after machinegun fire and
grenade explosions echoed along the street, sending drivers and
pedestrians fleeing the normally busy commercial thoroughfare on the
west bank of the Tigris river.
Johnny asia
By Megan Goldin
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Extremist Jews opposed to Prime Minister Ariel
Sharon's plan to withdraw from Gaza may be plotting to assassinate
him, prompting heightened security around the premier, senior
officials said on Wednesday.
Outbursts by prominent rightist rabbis and an atmosphere of extremism
fanned by foes of "disengagement" from Gaza next year has intensified
concern about an attempt to kill Sharon, the erstwhile champion of
settlers on captured territory.
Internal Security Service Minister Tsahi Hanegbi said the main threat
would be posed by an assassin who might target Sharon just as
ultra-nationalist Jew Yigal Amir shot dead Prime Minister Yitzhak
Rabin in 1995.
"The concern is about ... a lone assassin who sits in a room, takes on
himself the responsibility for the redemption of Israel and gets up to
carry out the deed," Hanegbi told Army radio. Sharon has gone from
being the darling of the pro-settler, right-wing camp to its adversary
since announcing early this year plans to remove all 21 Jewish
settlements in Gaza and four of 120 in the West Bank by the end of
2005.
Since then the Shin Bet security service, which is assigned to protect
Sharon, has tightened security around him. But Shin Bet sources said
additional, unspecified steps were recently taken to protect Sharon
from assassination. "There is no specific warning but because of the
atmosphere and the radicalization of right-wingers, the assessments
are of a greater danger (to Sharon)," a Shin Bet source said.
Shin Bet chief Avi Dichter briefed the cabinet about rising radicalism
among "disengagement" opponents at the government's weekly meeting on
Sunday.
"The next assassination is at the doorstep," Carmi Gillon, who headed
the Shin Bet in 1995, told Army radio.
ATMOSPHERE OF INCITEMENT CAUSE FOR CONCERN
Concern about Jewish far-right violence heightened after an
influential pro-settler rabbi issued a religious ruling last week
saying it was permissible to kill someone sent to remove Jews from
their land.
It was under that ancient Jewish law of "Din Rodef" that Amir, an
extremist Jew opposed to trading land for peace with the Palestinians,
claimed to be acting when he fired fatal shots at Rabin's back as he
was leaving a Tel Aviv peace rally.
Johnny asia
Hitchens and the other neocon converts probably suffer from
sexual impotence, their dwindling testosterone levels, their
flabby, soft girlyman physiques and flaccid dicks cause them to seek
their manhood vicariously. They can no longer please a woman,
if indeed they ever could, so in desperation they cheer on young
men in wars, sporting events and porn flicks.
Also, they are prematurely senile because of their unhealthy
lifestyles and addictions, so they can't remember who they are
and what they used to believe. Their loss of mental acuity causes
them to switch to conservatism, which doesn't require as much
brain power.
Johnny asia
bankruptcy
LOS ANGELES, United States (AFP) - The US Catholic diocese of Portland
announced that it would become the first in the country to file for
bankruptcy as it buckles under the weight of multi-million-dollar sex
abuse lawsuits.
The archbishop of the main city of the northwestern state of Oregon,
Reverend John Vlazny, took the step as two major cases against the
church stemming from alleged sexual abuse by its priests were set to
go to trial.
The archbishop said his diocese had already settled more than 100
claims against it over the past four years, paying 21 million dollars
out of its own funds in the last year alone.
"We have worked diligently to settle claims of clergy misconduct," he
wrote. "Major insurers have abandoned us and are not paying what they
should on the claims."
The 60 or so pending cases will now go under the control of a
bankruptcy court.
The archdiocese is the first of 195 in the United States to file for
so-called Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection as the US Catholic church
reels under the impact of the exposure of widespread sex abuse against
children.
Church officials in Boston and the New Mexico city of Santa Fe have
said they were considering seeking bankruptcy as they are swamped with
lawsuits from alleged sex abuse victims.
The Catholic archdiocese of Tucson, in the western state of Arizona,
said last month it would decide in September whether to seek
bankruptcy protection.
Chapter 11 protection enables insolvent corporations, partnerships and
others to continue daily operations while developing a plan to repay
their debt. Major business decisions would need to be approved by the
bankruptcy court.
In 2002, the Archdiocese of Boston -- facing more than 450 child sex
abuse lawsuits -- avoided filing for bankruptcy by closing 70 of its
357 parishes, and selling 46 acres of land to Boston College, along
with a four-story mansion that housed four high-ranking church
officials.
The US Catholic Church has been rocked by growing numbers of lawsuits
alleging priestly sex abuse since the scandal erupted in Boston in
early 2002.
Since 1986, only seven sex abuse lawsuits have gone to trial in the
United States, and all were lost by the church, according to the
Oregonian newspaper.
Although the church has had some success on appeal, juries have
returned verdicts ranging from 1.1 million dollars to nearly 120
million.
Vlazny told a press conference that he did not know if Portland was
starting a trend by filing for bankruptcy.
"We do know that other dioceses around the country are considering
bankruptcy," he said.
Scott in Fla
>
>I really believe we'll see brownshirt patrols in the streets before the
>election.
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The left is ready for more KooK Aid!!!!
Drink up before the brown shirts get there...
Scott in Florida
Scott in Fla
<richar...@mindspring.com> wrote:
.
>
>Yes, and they won't be government troops. They will be from Halliburton's
>private army.
Another lib ready for KooK Aid!
here is a big cup!!!!!!!!!
ROFLMAO
Scott in Florida
Jim
> > "Every time I see an American soldier, a Humvee or a tank I become
> > agitated. Many emotions rush into my mind: confusion, fear and rage. I
> > am constantly thinking of how I could have helped Zaidoun. I feel so
> > much guilt, but prayers and reading the Quran keep me going," he said.
> Another al Qaeda recruit.
Why do you have such a low regard for Marwan Fadel Hassoun?
Jim
Mens sana
<pope_about_town at yahoo.com (Johnny asia)> wrote in message
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> Few Detainees in Iraq Are Foreign Fighters
>
> Tue Jul 6, 2004
>
>
> By Charles Aldinger
>
> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Only 90 of the more than 5,700 people in
> custody in Iraq (news - web sites) as security risks are foreign
> fighters, defense officials said on Tuesday, a figure that suggests
> the Bush administration may have overstated the role of outside
> militants in the deadly insurgency.
>
Why call them 'foreign fighters'? Unless they've had a trial the are just
foreign people. Being held in a Bush concentration camp might only mean that
they survived the 'liberation' of a village or wedding or maybe a school.
Mens sana.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Johnny asia
asia) wrote:
> Iraqi: U.S. Soldiers Laughed at Drowning
>
>
UPDATE, July 7, 2004
Army Commanders Punished in Iraq
FORT CARSON, Colo. - The Army has given non-judicial punishments to
three commanders linked to the drowning of an Iraqi civilian, saying
they conspired to impede a homicide investigation.
Capt. Matthew Cunningham, Maj. Robert Gwinner and Lt. Col. Nathan
Sassaman were punished this spring under Article 15, which does not
require a court proceeding or public record, the Army said Tuesday.
Last week, the military said three other soldiers based at Fort Carson
had been charged with involuntary manslaughter in the Jan. 3 drowning
of 19-year-old Iraqi detainee Zaidoun Fadel Hassoun in the Tigris
River, allegedly for violating a curfew. A fourth soldier is charged
with pushing a second man, who survived, into the river.
Johnny asia
By PAULINE JELINEK, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - The Pentagon is taxing its Reserve soldiers "nearly to
the breaking point" with repeated and extended deployments in its two
ongoing wars, the ranking Democrat on the House military panel said
Wednesday.
And the committee's Republican chairman said recent moves to find more
combat soldiers for Iraq — including the use of troops who normally
train others — could "mortgage the future" of the nation's military.
Both said they are concerned about the stress on the armed forces.
"I'm worried ... worried for them, for asking very few to exert an
enormous sustained effort for the good of all of us," said Missouri
Rep. Ike Skelton, ranking Democrat on the House Armed Services
Committee.
Rep. Duncan Hunter of California, Republican chairman of the panel,
noted that the ratio of Reserve to active duty soldiers in Iraq is
increasing and said he was concerned troops are not getting enough
turnaround time back in the states.
The committee was hearing testimony on troop rotations in Iraq and
Afghanistan, looking with particular interest at Reservists and at a
move made last week by the Defense Department to call back soldiers
who have already served.
For the first time in more than a decade, the Army is forcing
thousands of former soldiers back into uniform, a reflection of the
strain on the service of long campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan. More
than 5,600 former soldiers — mostly those who recently finished
serving and have skills in military policing, engineering, logistics,
medicine or transportation — will be assigned to National Guard and
Reserve units that are scheduled to deploy to Iraq or Afghanistan.
Perhaps thousands more are likely to be called up next year, the
Pentagon said.
Richard Weasel
news:q61oe0tn2dkuela12...@4ax.com...
That's exactly what many people said in Germany in 1932.
Nobody turned out laughing.
Richard Weasel
Obviously you don't know how to read. Bet you've never opened a history
book.
Tempest
Richard Weasel wrote:
> "Scott in Fla" <Not...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:l81oe0dlicagpmc36...@4ax.com...
>
>>On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:09:34 GMT, "Richard Weasel"
>><richar...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>> .
>>
>>>Yes, and they won't be government troops. They will be from Halliburton's
>>>private army.
>>
>>Another lib ready for KooK Aid!
>>
>>here is a big cup!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>ROFLMAO
>>
>>
>>Scott in Florida
>
>
> Obviously you don't know how to read. Bet you've never opened a history
> book.
There's no libraries at his trailer park, and his mommy doesn't let him
cross the street.
Gandalf Grey
"Tempest" <tem...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Isle of the Dead [Broward Horne] was talking revolt and hitting the streets
with guns the last time Clinton was elected. Can you imagine what the
nutcake righties will be ready to do when Bush's sorry ass is kicked out of
the oval office?
Johnny asia
The info came from Iraq PM/CIA terrorist bomber Alawi.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=586&e=2&u=/nm/20040708/wl_nm/iraq_wmd_blair_dc
UK Govt's WMD 45-Minute Claim 'Not Supported'-FT
LONDON (Reuters) - The British government's claim Saddam Hussein could
unleash chemical and biological weapons within 45 minutes was
inadequately supported by intelligence, the Financial Times said on
Thursday an inquiry will conclude.
Citing people familiar with Lord Butler's report into intelligence
which Prime Minister Tony Blair cited to justify war against Iraq, the
newspaper said the intelligence to substantiate the claim was of
insufficient qualify and intelligence gathered on Iraq was inadequate.
The FT added that Butler's report, to be published on July 14, also
criticizes the credibility of the source of the 45-minute claim and
the way the information was assessed.
Blair took Britain to war last year -- against the majority of public
opinion -- on the basis of a now notorious dossier, released in
September 2002, claiming Iraq was stockpiling weapons of mass
destruction and that Saddam could have some weapons ready for use in
45 minutes.
No such banned weapons have been found in Iraq and the 45-minute claim
has been discredited.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Why Iyad Al Alawi?
The New York Times - 6/7/2004 7:07:00 AM GMT
Why did the U.S. choose Iyad Al Alawi as the Prime minister of the
Iraqi interim government? A question that is surely raised in
everybody's mind.
Isn't it odd that a nation with the world's second-largest oil
reserves like Iraq should also have mile-long queues at gas stations?
Isn't it strange that the Americans, who made such a big deal of
Saddam Hussein's treatment of prisoners, torture their own Iraqi
captives in Abu Ghraib?
So, it was entirely appropriate that discussion over the appointment
of Iraq's new interim government was laced with its own special irony:
The two men at the top of the list announced, Iyad Al Alawi and Ghazi
Al-Yawer, were just last month ranked bottom of a list of potential
leaders — by their own countrymen.
A poll conducted in May by the Iraq Center for Research and Strategic
Studies (ICRSS) asked Iraqis to rank 17 prominent religious and
political leaders. Iyad Allawi, Prime Minister of the interim
government that will take over administrative power from the Coalition
Provisional Authority on June 30, finished in sixteenth place. Behind
him, dead last, came Ghazi al-Yawer, who is named president of the
interim government.
The most popular leader in Iraq, according to the ICRSS survey, was
the country's leading Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani. Also
high up: Ibrahim al-Jaafari, a leader of the Shiite Da'wah party named
as one of two vice-presidents in the new administration, and Adnan
Pachachi, the Sunni elder statesman and preferred presidential
candidate of the U.S. who was offered the post but turned it down in
the face of objections from some the Iraqi Governing Council.
What's more, the results of the ICRSS May survey suggest that the new
president and prime minister had both been slipping in Iraqis'
estimation — in a similar poll conducted last September, Alawi had
ranked Number 10 out of 25, and al-Yawer Number 18.
Iyad Alawi is the secretary general of the Iraqi National Accord, an
exile group that has received funds from the Central Intelligence
Agency. His ties with the CIA, and his relation with the U.S. could
become an issue in a country where public opinion has grown almost
universally hostile to the Americans.
Johnny asia
The dumbing of America continues.
Report Shows Big Drop in Reading in U.S.
Thu Jul 8, 2004
By HILLEL ITALIE, AP National Writer
NEW YORK - The reading of books is on the decline in America, despite
Harry Potter and the best efforts of Oprah Winfrey. A report released
Thursday by the National Endowment for the Arts says the number of
non-reading adults increased by more than 17 million between 1992 and
2002.
Only 47 percent of American adults read "literature" (poems, plays,
narrative fiction) in 2002, a drop of 7 points from a decade earlier.
Those reading any book at all in 2002 fell to 57 percent, down from 61
percent.
NEA chairman Dana Gioia, himself a poet, called the findings shocking
and a reason for grave concern.
"We have a lot of functionally literate people who are no longer
engaged readers," Gioia said in an interview with The Associated
Press. "This isn't a case of `Johnny Can't Read,' but `Johnny Won't
Read.'"
The likely culprits, according to the report: television, movies and
the Internet.
"I think what we're seeing is an enormous cultural shift from print
media to electronic media, and the unintended consequences of that
shift," Gioia said.
The decline came despite the creation of Oprah's book club in 1996 and
the Harry Potter craze that began in the late 1990s among kids and
adults alike. Reading fell even as Barnes & Noble boasted that its
superstore empire was expanding the book market.
In 1992, 72.6 million adults in the United States did not read a book.
By 2002, that figure had increased to 89.9 million, the NEA said.
"Whenever I hear about something like this, I think of it as a call to
arms," said Mitchell Kaplan, president of the American Booksellers
Association. "As booksellers, we need to look into what kinds of
partnerships we can get into to encourage literacy and the immediacy
of the literary experience."
In May, the nonprofit Book Industry Study Group reported that the
number of books purchased in the United States in 2003 fell by 23
million from the year before to 2.22 billion.
The NEA study, titled "Reading at Risk," was based on a Census Bureau
survey of more than 17,000 adults.
The drop in reading was widespread: among men and women, young and
old, black and white, college graduates and high school dropouts. The
numbers were especially poor among adult men, of whom only 38 percent
read literature, and Hispanics overall, for whom the percentage was
26.5.
The decline was especially great among the youngest people surveyed,
ages 18 to 24. Only 43 percent had read any literature in 2002, down
from 53 percent in 1992.
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Kids Do Much of Their Munching in Front of TV
July 2, 2004
By Amy Norton
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Elementary school children appear to down
many of their daily calories while planted in front of the television,
a new study shows.
TV viewing has caught a good part of the blame for the growing problem
of excess weight and obesity among U.S. children. Some research has
linked TV time to the risk of obesity, and experts have speculated
that one reason is that children tend to eat a lot while watching
television.
The new study of third- and fifth-graders at California public schools
found that, on average, children ate roughly 20 percent of their daily
calories while watching TV. The weekend was a particularly popular
time for munching in front the tube, as kids consumed more than
one-quarter of their calories for the day during TV time.
The findings, published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition
, are the first to give an idea of how much TV-time munching is
actually going on, according to lead study author Dr. Donna M.
Matheson, a research associate at Stanford University School of
Medicine.
"Children are eating a lot of food in front of the TV," she told
Reuters Health, "and parents should be aware of it."
However, Matheson said, there are still a lot of unknowns -- including
whether the children would have been eating less if the TV were off,
and whether those who most often combined TV and food face a greater
risk of becoming overweight.
For the study, Matheson and her colleagues surveyed an ethnically
diverse sample of third- and fifth-graders on three separate
occasions, asking them what they'd eaten over the past day and what
they were doing while they ate.
Overall, the children ate 17 to 18 percent of their weekday calories,
and about one-fourth of their calories on a weekend day, while
watching TV. In general, they ate fewer fruits and vegetables, and
less soda and fast food, when the TV was on.
The amount of food the children ate during TV time was not associated
with their body mass index, or BMI, a measure of their weight in
relation to their height. However, among third-graders, those who ate
higher-fat foods in front of the TV had a higher BMI than those who
ate lower-fat fare.
If a parent is worried about a child's weight, Matheson said, turning
off the television may be a good first step. And when it's on, she
added, parents can try giving kids healthy snacks such as fruits and
vegetables.
SOURCE: American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, June 2004.
Johnny asia
Lawmakers briefed on terror attack threat --
Top FBI, CIA and Homeland Security Department officials briefed House
members Wednesday about a steady stream of intelligence indicating
al-Qaida may seek to mount an attack aimed at disrupting U.S.
elections.
Johnny asia
The Fake Osama video, the one the Bushies showed, you can see the
Osama in that video is a FAKE:
http://www.911uncovered.com/osama.html
Here's the real bin Laden statement:
"The United States should look within itself for the perpetrators of
these attacks: those people who are part of the U.S. system, but are
dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system;
persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict
between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation,
country, or ideology can survive."
"Terror is the most dreaded weapon in the modern age and the Western
media is mercilessly using it against its own people. It can add fear
and
helplessness in the psyche of the people of Europe and the United
States. It means that what the enemies of the United States cannot do,
its media is doing. You can understand what the performance of a
nation will be in a war, which suffers from fear and helplessness."
http://www.americanfreepress.net/Mideast/Al-Qaeda_Not_Involved/al-qaeda_not_involved.html
Al-Qaeda Not Involved, Says bin Laden
The following is the slightly edited text of an interview conducted by
a
"special correspondent" for the Pakistani newspaper, Ummat, which was
published on Sept. 28. The place and the date of interview were not
given.
In light of the U.S. media's self-imposed censorship of bin Laden's
statements, AFP believes it is important to hear-true or not-what he
has
said recently.
----
You have been accused of involvement in the attacks in New York and
Washington. What do you want to say about this? If you are not
involved, who might be?
----
"I am thankful to The Ummat Group of Publications, which gave me the
opportunity to convey my viewpoint to the people, particularly the
valiant
and true Muslim people of Pakistan who refused to believe the lie of
the
demon. I have already said that I am not involved in the Sept. 11
attacks in the United States.
"As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge
of
these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women,
children,
and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing
harm to innocent women, children, and other people. Such a practice is
forbidden ever in the course of a battle.
"It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on
women, children, and common people of other faiths, particularly the
followers of Islam. All that is going on in Palestine for the last 11
months is
sufficient to call the wrath of God upon the United States and Israel.
"There is also a warning for those Muslim countries, which witnessed
all
these as silent spectators. What had earlier been done to the innocent
people of Iraq, Chechnya, and Bosnia? Only one conclusion could be
derived from the indifference of the United States and the West to
these acts of terror and the patronage of the tyrants by these powers
that America is an anti-Islamic power and it is patronizing the
anti-Islamic forces. Its friendship with the Muslim countries is just
a show, rather deceit. By enticing or intimidating these countries,
the United States is forcing them to play a role of its choice. Put a
glance all around and you will see that the slaves of the United
States are either rulers or enemies [of Muslims].
"The U.S. has no friends, nor does it want to keep any because the
prerequisite of friendship is to come to the level of the friend or
consider
him on par with you. America does not want to see anyone equal to it.
It
expects slavery from others. Therefore, other countries are either its
slaves or subordinates. "
"There are countries, which do not agree to become its slaves, such as
China, Iran, Libya, Cuba, Syria, and the former Russia.
"Whoever committed the act of Sept. 11 are not the friends of the
American people. I have already said that we are against the American
system, not against its people, whereas in these attacks, the common
American people have been killed.
According to my information, the death toll is much higher than what
the
U.S. government has stated. But the Bush administration does not want
panic to spread. The United States should look within itself for the
perpetrators of these attacks: those people who are part of the U.S.
system, but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for
some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a
century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own
civilization, nation, country, or ideology can survive.
""It could be anyone, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia.
In the U.S. itself, there are dozens of well-organized and
well-equipped groups, which are capable of causing a large-scale
destruction.
Then you cannot forget the American Jews, who are annoyed with
President Bush ever since the elections in Florida and want to avenge
him.
"Then there are intelligence agencies in the U.S., which require
billions of
dollars from Congress and the government every year. This [funding
issue] was not a big problem while Soviet Union was in existence but,
after that, the budget of these agencies has been in danger. They
needed an enemy. So, they first started propaganda against Osama and
the Taliban and then this incident happened.
"You see: the Bush administration approved a budget of $40 billion.
Where
will this huge amount go? It will be provided to the same agencies,
which
need huge funds and want to exert their importance. Now they will
spend the money for their expansion and for increasing their
importance.
"I will give you an example. Drug smugglers from all over the world
are in
contact with the U.S. secret agencies. These agencies do not want to
eradicate narcotics cultivation and trafficking because their
importance
will be diminished. The people in the U.S. drug enforcement department
are encouraging drug trade so that they could show performance and get
millions of dollars worth of budget.
"General [Manuel] Noriega was made a drug baron by the CIA and,
eventually, he was made a scapegoat. In the same way, whether it is
President Bush or any other U.S. president, they cannot bring Israel
to justice for its human rights abuses or to hold it accountable for
such crimes. What is this? Is it not that there exists a government
within the government in the United Sates? That secret government must
be asked who made the attacks.
----
The losses caused by the attacks in New York and Washington have
proven that giving an economic blow to the U.S. is not too difficult.
U.S. experts admit that a few more such attacks can bring down the
American economy. Why is Al-Qaeda not targeting their economic
pillars?
---
"I have already said that we are not hostile to the United States. We
are
against the system, which makes other nations slaves of the United
States,
or forces them to mortgage their political and economic freedom. This
system is totally in control of the American Jews, whose first
priority is Israel, not the United States. It is simply that the
American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced
to live according to the principles and laws laid by them. So, the
punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it is Israel, which is giving
a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the U.S. is not uttering a single
word.
------------
Why is harm not caused to the enemies of Islam through other means,
apart from the armed struggle? For instance, inciting the Muslims to
boycott Western products, banks, shipping lines and TV channels.
-------------------
The first thing is that Western products could only be boycotted when
the
Muslim fraternity is fully awakened and organized. Secondly, the
Muslim
companies should become self-sufficient in producing goods equal to
the
products of Western companies.
You see that wealth is scattered all across the Muslim world but not a
single TV channel has been acquired which can preach Islamic
injunctions
according to modern requirements and attain an international
influence.
Muslim traders and philanthropists should make it a point that if the
weapon of public opinion is to be used, it is to be kept in the hand.
Today's world is of public opinion and the fates of nations are
determined through its pressure. Once the tools for building public
opinion are obtained, everything that you asked for can be done.
--------
The entire propaganda about your struggle has so far been made by the
Western media. But there is no information from your sources about the
network of Al-Qaeda and its jihadi successes. Would you comment?
-------------
"Our silence is our real propaganda. Rejections, explanations, or
misprints
only waste your time. Through them, the enemy wants you to engage in
things which are not of a use to you. These things are pulling you
away from your cause. The Western media is unleashing such baseless
propaganda, which surprises us, but it reflects what is in their
hearts. Gradually they themselves become captive of this propaganda.
They become afraid of it and begin to cause harm to themselves.
Terror is the most dreaded weapon in the modern age and the Western
media is mercilessly using it against its own people. It can add fear
and
helplessness in the psyche of the people of Europe and the United
States. It means that what the enemies of the United States cannot do,
its media is doing. You can understand what the performance of a
nation will be in a war, which suffers from fear and helplessness.
---------
Are there safe areas other than Afghanistan where you can continue
jihad?
----------
There are areas in all parts of the world where strong jihadi forces
are
present, from Indonesia to Algeria, from Kabul to Chechnya, from
Bosnia to Sudan, and from Burma to Kashmir.
That it is not my problem. I am a helpless fellowman of God,
constantly in
the fear of my accountability before God. It is not the question of
Osama
but of Islam and, in Islam too, of jihad. Thanks to God, those waging
a
jihad can walk today with their heads raised. Jihad will still be here
when
there is no Osama.
----------------------
pyjamarama
> The dumbing of America continues.
>
Where the fuck have you been for the last 30 years?
Tammy
And how is a bunch of Saudi Arabian terrorists at all related to your
anti-semiticly motivated title, you ignorant racist.
Johnny asia
By STEPHEN GRAHAM, Associated Press Writer
KABUL, Afghanistan - Three Americans arrested in Afghanistan were on a
self-appointed counterterrorism mission that included abusing eight
inmates in a private jail by hanging them by their feet, Afghan
officials said Thursday.
The U.S. Embassy identified one of the men detained Monday in a raid
in Kabul as Jonathan K. Idema, a purported former Green Beret who
claims to have links with Afghan militia forces.
The American military has warned that Idema had been posing as a U.S.
military or government employee.
Interior Minister Ali Ahmad Jalali said the three men had, along with
four other Afghans arrested Monday, "formed a group and pretended they
were fighting terrorism."
"They arrested eight people from across Kabul and put them in their
jail," Jalali said at a news conference.
Another Afghan security official, speaking on condition of anonymity,
said intelligence and police officials found the prisoners hung by
their feet.
"They were hanging upside down," the official said on condition of
anonymity. The official said reports on the case showed that the men
were beaten, though he had no details.
Jalali said the eight were released. They weren't identified.
Jalali described the group as "rebels" with no "legal link" to any
Afghan or other authorities.
Still, the intelligence official said the three foreigners were
wearing uniforms that appeared to be from the U.S. military and were
armed with assault rifles.
Idema, described in media reports as an ex-special forces soldier in
his 40s, cropped up in Afghanistan in late 2001 when U.S. and allied
Afghan forces routed the Taliban.
He offered his services to Western TV networks, including a videotape
showing a purported al-Qaida training facility near Kabul, and later
featured in a top-selling book called "The Hunt for Osama bin Laden
(news - web sites)."
An Afghan police official said the Americans appeared to be behind the
detention of a man in west Kabul about three weeks ago.
"They went to a house and took a person called Abdul Latif," said the
official, who also asked not to be identified. "His wife told us she
assumed the foreigners were from ISAF" — the NATO (news - web
sites)-led International Security Assistance Force that patrols the
capital.
The official said three foreigners, dressed in military uniforms,
returned to the house earlier this week, where police confronted them.
One of the men "said he had orders to quickly arrest a terrorist
before he could blow himself up in a government building," the
official said. "They said they belonged to an important network and
couldn't say more."
It was unclear if Latif was among those freed.
Afghan police and intelligence officers seized the Americans on Monday
in downtown Kabul. Jalali said the men were operating in Kabul under
the guise of working for an export company.
The security official denied reports that shots were fired in the
raid. He said security forces had been trailing the men and caught
them by surprise.
Uniformed Afghan intelligence officers shooed reporters away from a
freshly painted green house in the city's Kart-e-Parwan district
Thursday.
Only the second story was visible over a high wall topped with barbed
wire. There were no signs on the outside to suggest who lived there.
Two shopkeepers and a man who lived in the next street said they had
noticed foreigners living in the house, but had noticed nothing
suspicious.
The U.S. military took the unusual step on Monday — before news of his
detention was widely known — of distancing itself from Idema, who
"allegedly represented himself as an American government and/or
military official."
"The public should be aware that Idema does not represent the American
government and we do not employ him," the statement said.
A spokeswoman would give no details of his activities, insisting that
Afghan authorities are leading the investigation.
Johnny asia
enough popular support among nationalist Iraqis angered by the
presence of U.S. troops that they cannot be militarily defeated.
Iraq Insurgency Far Larger Than Thought
By JIM KRANE, Associated Press Writer
BAGHDAD, Iraq - The Iraq insurgency is far larger than the 5,000
guerrillas previously thought to be at its core, U.S. military
officials say, and it's being led by well-armed Iraqi Sunnis angry at
being pushed from power alongside Saddam Hussein.
Although U.S. military analysts disagree over the exact size, dozens
of regional cells, often led by tribal sheiks and inspired by Sunni
Muslim imams, can call upon part-time fighters to boost forces to as
high as 20,000 — an estimate reflected in the insurgency's continued
strength after U.S. forces killed as many as 4,000 in April alone.
And some insurgents are highly specialized — one Baghdad cell, for
instance, has two leaders, one assassin, and two groups of
bomb-makers.
The developing intelligence picture of the insurgency contrasts with
the commonly stated view in the Bush administration that the fighting
is fueled by foreign warriors intent on creating an Islamic state.
"We're not at the forefront of a jihadist war here," said a U.S.
military official in Baghdad, speaking on condition of anonymity.
The official and others told The Associated Press the guerrillas have
enough popular support among nationalist Iraqis angered by the
presence of U.S. troops that they cannot be militarily defeated.
The military official, who has logged thousands of miles driving
around Iraq to meet with insurgents or their representatives, said a
skillful Iraqi government could co-opt some of the guerrillas and
reconcile with the leaders instead of fighting them.
"I generally like a lot of these guys," he said. "We know who the key
people are in all the different cities, and generally how they
operate. The problem is getting actionable information so you can
either attack them, arrest them or engage them."
mhirtes
libraries and bookstores, would YOU want to admit that you read books?
In article <40ed1b95....@news.mybizz.net>,
Johnny asia
July 9, 2004
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Contrary to U.S. government claims, the
insurgency in Iraq is led by well-armed Sunnis angry about losing
power, not foreign fighters, and is far larger than previously
thought, American military officials say.
The officials told The Associated Press the guerrillas can call on
loyalists to boost their forces to as high as 20,000 and have enough
popular support among nationalist Iraqis angered by the presence of
U.S. troops that they cannot be militarily defeated.
That number is far larger than the 5,000 guerrillas previously thought
to be at the insurgency's core.
Anthony Cordesman, an Iraq analyst with the Center for Strategic and
International Studies, said the figure of 5,000 insurgents "was never
more than a wag and is now clearly ridiculous."
"Part-timers are difficult to count, but almost all insurgent
movements depend on cadres that are part-time and that can blend back
into the population," he said.
U.S. military analysts disagree over the size of the insurgency, with
estimates running as high as 20,000 fighters when part-timers are
added.
Ahmed Hashim, a professor at the U.S. Naval War College, said the
higher numbers squared with his findings in a study of the insurgency
completed in Iraq.
Most of the insurgents are fighting for a bigger role in a secular
society, not a Taliban-like Islamic state, the military official said.
Almost all the guerrillas are Iraqis, even those launching some of the
devastating car bombings normally blamed on foreigners — usually
al-Zarqawi.
Many in the U.S. intelligence community have been making similar
points, but have encountered political opposition from the Bush
administration, a State Department official in Washington said, also
speaking on condition of anonymity.
Civilian analysts generally agreed, saying U.S. and Iraqi officials
have long overemphasized the roles of foreign fighters and Muslim
extremists.
Such positions support the Bush administration's view that the
insurgency is linked to the war on terror. A closer examination paints
most insurgents as secular Iraqis angry at the presence of U.S. and
other foreign troops.
"Too much U.S. analysis is fixated on terms like 'jihadist,' just as
it almost mindlessly tries to tie everything to (Osama) bin Laden,"
Cordesman said. "Every public opinion poll in Iraq ... supports the
nationalist character of what is happening."
Many guerrillas are motivated by Islam in the same way religion
motivates American soldiers, who also tend to pray more when they're
at war, the U.S. military official said.
He said he met Tuesday with four tribal sheiks from Ramadi who "made
very clear" that they had no desire for an Islamic state, even though
mosques are used as insurgent sanctuaries and funding centers.
"'We're not a bunch of Talibans,'" he paraphrased the sheiks as
saying.
gr...@internet.charitydays.uk.co
>
> Lawmakers briefed on terror attack threat --
>
>Top FBI, CIA and Homeland Security Department officials briefed House
>members Wednesday about a steady stream of intelligence indicating
>al-Qaida may seek to mount an attack aimed at disrupting U.S. elections.
>
>
Johnny asia
EMPLOYEES
Former Fox Journalists, Internal Memos to Blow the Whistle on Fox
Partisan Bias
Progressives Call for Media Reform
At a New York press conference this coming Monday, four former Fox
News employees will go on the record to expose Fox’s persistent
Republican partisan bias, while releasing internal memorandums from
Fox News Channel showing executive level instructions to Fox on how to
bias the news.
The four Fox whistleblowers appear, along with three others, in Robert
Greenwald’s new documentary “Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch’s War on
Journalism,” excerpts of which will be shown at the news conference.
The film is a devastating indictment of the Fox News Channel’s
purposeful disinformation in the pursuit of partisan objectives. Also
at the news conference, Common Cause and MoveOn will outline their
forthcoming campaign OUTFOX, starting with thousands of house parties
to show the film taking place on Sunday, July 18th.
On Tuesday, media are invited to the official film premiere and to a
panel on media consolidation and reform hosted by The Center for
American Progress, with media authors and critics such as Arianna
Huffington and Eric Alterman.
WHAT: Press Conference with Fox Whistle Blowers
WHEN: Monday, July 12, 2004, 12 NOON
WHERE: Emery Roth Salon I, Ritz-Carlton NY, 50 Central Park
South, New York, New York
(59th Street between 5th & 6th Avenues)
WHO: Former Fox employees; Eric Alterman (The Center for
American Progress); Robert Greenwald (filmmaker); Chellie Pingree
(Common Cause, spokesperson for coalition)
To RSVP for the press conference (at which copies of the full film
will be available), please contact Trevor Fitzgibbon or Kawana Lloyd
at 202-822-5200.
At Tuesday’s panel, The Center for American Progress’ Media and
Democracy Project will explore the impact of today’s media ownership
structure on news, journalistic standards and democratic dialogue, as
well as explain why progressives must include media policy in their
political agenda. How has media concentration affected the accuracy of
news and the diversity of viewpoints? What does it portend for
informed debate and democratic participation? Five leading writers
will answer these questions and explore issues presented in
Greenwald’s film. A reception will follow..
WHAT: Panel Discussion and Film Premiere
WHEN: Tuesday, July 13, 2004, Panel discussion: 5 - 6:15
p.m. Film premiere: 6:30 - 8:00 p.m.
WHERE: Tishman Auditorium, 66 W. 12th Street, New York, New
York
WHO: Eric Alterman (What Liberal Media?), Arianna Huffington
(Fanatics and Fools), John Nichols (Our Media, Not Theirs), Nicholas
Lemann (dean of the Columbia University School of Journalism) and Paul
Starr (co-editor of The American Prospect and author of The Creation
of the Media).
To RSVP to the panel discussion and film premier, call (212) 229-5808,
ext. 101, or e-mail do...@newschool.edu to reserve seating. If you
require special accommodations, please RSVP five days in advance.
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asia) wrote:
> REPUBLICAN BIAS AT FOX NEWS DOCUMENTED IN NEW FILM, FEATURING FORMER
>EMPLOYEES
>
>
>Former Fox Journalists, Internal Memos to Blow the Whistle on Fox
>Partisan Bias
>Progressives Call for Media Reform
FAux New's bias isn't news to anyone.
The entire operation, at least around here, is making sure none of the
dumb assholes who cite loony/phony media like Faux, Washington TImes,
NewsMax etc, be allowed to use it as if they were credible.
>==========================================================
>"The exaggerations continue, even after his death.
>A cheerful sort, Reagan single-handedly won the Cold War,
>jack-hammered the Berlin Wall, fed millions of starving businessmen,
>saved movies from infiltration by the Evil Empire, and
>arranged the financing of strong community organizing efforts
>in El Salvador and Nicaragua while encouraging the bartering
>system in Iran, among other important accomplishments.
>Besides spawning a couple of generations of right-wingers
>whose idea of public service was to find a way to cut benefits to
>poor people, Reagan gave astrologers some short-term credibility
>and was the best speech-giver the White House has ever seen.
>(And while he was a hero to some of the elderly, he also, in 1983,
>signed into law a bill taxing Social Security benefits and increasing the retirement age.)
Dave Grey
@news.mybizz.net:
> Former Fox Journalists, Internal Memos to Blow the Whistle on Fox
> Partisan Bias
NEWSFLASH: Water is wet.
In other news, drinking poison is bad for you...
--
ONLY YOU can prevent Republicans. Spay or neuter farm animals and educate
your children on the dangers of bestiality and incest.
Righ...@loony.com
asia) wrote:
> REPUBLICAN BIAS AT FOX NEWS DOCUMENTED IN NEW FILM, FEATURING FORMER
>EMPLOYEES
>
>
>Former Fox Journalists, Internal Memos to Blow the Whistle on Fox
>Partisan Bias
>Progressives Call for Media Reform
FAux New's bias isn't news to anyone.
C. Montgomery Burns
asia) wrote:
> REPUBLICAN BIAS AT FOX NEWS DOCUMENTED IN NEW FILM, FEATURING FORMER
>EMPLOYEES
>
>
<snipped>
It should be obvious to the dumbest of Liberals that FN has a
Conservative bias. That is why they have more viewers than the other
two Liberal cable news channels combined.
Wisk
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For all the folks that can't handle the truth.
Wisk
Tempest
And yet Faux news doesn't have a fraction of the viewers of NBC's, CBS's
or ABC's news shows.
Isle Of The Dead
>
> The entire operation, at least around here, is making sure none of the
> dumb assholes who cite loony/phony media like Faux, Washington TImes,
> NewsMax etc, be allowed to use it as if they were credible.
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Yes, I do.
You and your Democrat lies!
Righ...@loony.com
Yet another wrong conclusion
Faux news has a "large" audience of whiney, ass-kicked,
over-emotional, greedy, prejudiced, racist, homophobic, bigots who
NEED support for their unethical/immoral views.
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Dead) wrote:
Catchy.
JD
The closer we get to the election, the more sedition, treason,
and death threats against the president we'll see from
the Left. Especially as they realize Bush will more than likely
win.
-Me
"Many of you are well enough off that ... the tax cuts may have
helped you. We're saying that for America to get back on track,
we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THINGS AWAY FROM YOU ON BEHALF OF THE COMMON GOOD."
-Senator Hillary Clinton, Soviet Admirer
http://tinyurl.com/2n6lr
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/06/28/politics2039EDT0165.DTL&type=printable
Similar:
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
-Karl Marx
"When I left office, there was a substantial amount of biological
and chemical material unaccounted for . . . it is incontestable that
on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks . . . "
-Bill Clinton
Larry King Live
July 22, 2003
"Atheism teaches that there is no God, hence no God-given rights."
-Charles W. Moore
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xtmprs...@erols.com
gr...@internet.charitydays.uk.co wrote:
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> >
> >REPUBLICAN BIAS AT FOX NEWS DOCUMENTED IN NEW FILM,
> >FEATURING FORMER EMPLOYEES
> >
> >
> >Former Fox Journalists, Internal Memos to Blow the Whistle on Fox
> >Partisan Bias
> >Progressives Call for Media Reform
> >
> >
> >At a New York press conference this coming Monday, four former Fox
> >News employees will go on the record to expose Fox’s persistent
> >Republican partisan bias, while releasing internal memorandums from
> >Fox News Channel showing executive level instructions to Fox on how to
> >bias the news.
> >
In a related story, hell is hot.
OF COURSE they bias the news. The only people who don't
know that are the people that fox news conns.
peter
--
PETER
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel.
<xtmprs...@erols.com> wrote in message news:40F09078...@erols.com...
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Byker
news:40F09078...@erols.com...
> In a related story, hell is hot.
>
> OF COURSE they bias the news. The only people who don't
> know that are the people that fox news conns.
SOMEONE has to counteract the leftist tripe of CNN and MSNBC...
xtmprs...@erols.com
But they'd be more credible if their rightist tripe was true.
jps
says...
Yeah, that freakin' lefty Joe Scarborough really frosts me with his left
wing crap.
jps
Johnny asia
Is he a pathological liar, or does he calculate his many lies?
Is he merely a "dry drunk" who hasn't truly recovered from his
addictions, or is he a tyrant and bully?
Just wondering.
He's either incompetent or evil. Which is worse?
SHRED©
Kenneth-
>
> Is he a pathological liar, or does he calculate his many lies?
>
> Is he merely a "dry drunk" who hasn't truly recovered from his
> addictions, or is he a tyrant and bully?
>
> Just wondering.
>
> He's either incompetent or evil. Which is worse?
> +
Don't underestimate George W. Bush. I'm sure he can be both.
peter
--
PETER
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel.
<xtmprs...@erols.com> wrote in message news:40F0B9CD...@erols.com...
xtmprs...@erols.com
Go to Saudi Arabia. There are lots of people like you
running that country. You'll like it there.
C. Montgomery Burns
>
>
>C. Montgomery Burns wrote:
>> On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 17:35:20 GMT, pope_about_town at yahoo.com (Johnny
>> asia) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>REPUBLICAN BIAS AT FOX NEWS DOCUMENTED IN NEW FILM, FEATURING FORMER
>>>EMPLOYEES
>>>
>>>
>>
>> <snipped>
>>
>> It should be obvious to the dumbest of Liberals that FN has a
>> Conservative bias. That is why they have more viewers than the other
>> two Liberal cable news channels combined.
>
>
>And yet Faux news doesn't have a fraction of the viewers of NBC's, CBS's
>or ABC's news shows.
There is a problem for you there. Those shows ratings have been
dropping for some time. FN rating has been rising.
C. Montgomery Burns
Johnny asia
"This Is the Fight of Our Lives," delivered on June 3, 2004:
This Is the Fight of Our Lives
by Bill Moyers
Nothing seems to embarrass the political class in Washington today.
Not the fact that more children are growing up in poverty in America
than in any other industrial nation; not the fact that millions of
workers are actually making less money today in real dollars than they
did twenty years ago; not the fact that working people are putting in
longer and longer hours and still falling behind; not the fact that
while we have the most advanced medical care in the world, nearly 44
million Americans -- eight out of ten of them in working families --
are uninsured and cannot get the basic care they need.
Astonishing as it seems, no one in official Washington seems
embarrassed by the fact that the gap between rich and poor is greater
than it's been in 50 years -- the worst inequality among all western
nations. Or that we are experiencing a shift in poverty. For years it
was said those people down there at the bottom were single, jobless
mothers. For years they were told work, education, and marriage is how
they move up the economic ladder. But poverty is showing up where we
didn't expect it --among families that include two parents, a worker,
and a head of the household with more than a high school education.
These are the newly poor. Our political, financial and business class
expects them to climb out of poverty . . on an escalator moving
downward.
By the end of the decade most Americans were running harder but
slipping behind, and the gap between them and prosperous America was
widening.
What turns their personal tragedy into a political travesty is that
the
vast majority of them are very patriotic. They love this country. But
they no longer believe they matter to the people who run the country.
Yet, by the end of the decade most of them were no longer paying
attention to politics. They don't see it connecting to their lives.
They don't think their concerns will ever be addressed by the
political, corporate, and media elites who make up our dominant class.
They are not cynical, because they are deeply religious people with no
capacity for cynicism, but they know the system is rigged against
them.
They know this, and we know this. For years now a small fraction of
American households have been garnering an extreme concentration of
wealth and income while large corporations and financial institutions
have obtained unprecedented levels of economic and political power
over
daily life. In 1960, the gap in terms of wealth between the top 20%
and
the bottom 20% was 30-fold. Four decades later it is more than
75-fold.
VCRs and television sets are cheap, but higher education, health care,
public transportation, drugs, housing and cars have risen faster in
price than typical family incomes. And life has grown neither calm nor
secure for most Americans, by any means." You can find many sources to
support this conclusion. I like the language of a small outfit here in
New York called the Commonwealth Foundation/Center for the Renewal of
American Democracy. They conclude that working families and the poor
"are losing ground under economic pressures that deeply affect
household stability, family dynamics, social mobility, political
participation, and civic life."
We could prevent the polarization between the very rich and the very
poor that poisoned other societies. We could provide that each and
every citizen would enjoy the basic necessities of life, a voice in
the
system of self-government, and a better chance for their children. We
could preclude the vast divides that produced the turmoil and tyranny
of the very countries from which so many of our families had fled.
Historically, through a system of checks and balances we Americans
were
going to maintain a safe, if shifting, equilibrium between wealth and
commonwealth. We believed equitable access to public resources is the
lifeblood of any democracy. So early on, primary schooling was made
free to all. States changed laws to protect debtors, often the
relatively poor, against their rich creditors. Charters to establish
corporations were open to most, if not all, white comers, rather than
held for the elite. The government encouraged Americans to own their
own piece of land, and even supported squatters' rights. The court
challenged monopoly -- all in the name of we the people.
But then class war was declared, a generation ago, in a powerful
polemic by William Simon, who was soon to be Secretary of the
Treasury.
He called on the financial and business class, in effect, to take back
the power and privileges they had lost in the depression and new deal.
They got the message, and soon they began a stealthy class war against
the rest of society and the principles of our democracy. They set out
to trash the social contract, to cut their workforces and wages, to
scour the globe in search of cheap labor, and to shred the social
safety net that was supposed to protect people from hardships beyond
their control.
Business Week put it bluntly at the time: "Some people will obviously
have to do with less....it will be a bitter pill for many Americans to
swallow the idea of doing with less so that big business can have
more."
The middle class and working poor are told that what's happening to
them is the consequence of Adam Smith's "Invisible Hand." This is a
lie. What's happening to them is the direct consequence of corporate
activism, intellectual propaganda, the rise of a religious orthodoxy
that in its hunger for government subsidies has made an idol of power,
and a string of political decisions favoring the powerful and the
privileged who bought the political system right out from under us.
"When powerful interests shower Washington with millions in campaign
contributions, they often get what they want. But it's ordinary
citizens and firms that pay the price and most of them never see it
coming. This is what happens if you don't contribute to their
campaigns
or spend generously on lobbying. You pick up a disproportionate share
of America's tax bill. You pay higher prices for a broad range of
products from peanuts to prescriptions. You pay taxes that others in a
similar situation have been excused from paying. You're compelled to
abide by laws while others are granted immunity from them. You must
pay
debts that you incur while others do not. You're barred from writing
off on your tax returns some of the money spent on necessities while
others deduct the cost of their entertainment. You must run your
business by one set of rules, while the government creates another set
for your competitors.
"In contrast, the fortunate few who contribute to the right
politicians
and hire the right lobbyists enjoy all the benefits of their special
status. Make a bad business deal; the government bails them out. If
they want to hire workers at below market wages, the government
provides the means to do so. If they want more time to pay their
debts,
the government gives them an extension. If they want immunity from
certain laws, the government gives it. If they want to ignore rules
their competition must comply with, the government gives its approval.
If they want to kill legislation that is intended for the public, it
gets killed."
I'm not quoting from Karl Marx's Das Kapital or Mao's Little Red Book.
I'm quoting Time magazine. Time's premier investigative journalists --
Donald Bartlett and James Steele -- concluded in a series last year
that America now has "government for the few at the expense of the
many." Economic inequality begets political inequality, and vice
versa.
That's why many Americans are turned off by politics. It's why we're
losing the balance between wealth and the commonwealth. It's why we
can't put things right. And it is the single most destructive force
tearing at the soul of democracy.
Thomas Edsall of The Washington Post wrote: "During the 1970s,
business
refined its ability to act as a class, submerging competitive
instincts
in favor of joint, cooperate action in the legislative area." Big
business political action committees flooded the political arena with
a
deluge of dollars. And they built alliances with the religious right
--
Jerry Falwell's Moral Majority and Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition
-- who mounted a cultural war providing a smokescreen for the class
war, hiding the economic plunder of the very people who were enlisted
as foot soldiers in the cause of privilege.
Look at the spoils of victory: Over the past three years, they've
pushed through $2 trillion dollars in tax cuts -- almost all tilted
towards the wealthiest people in the country.
Cuts in taxes on the largest incomes.
Cuts in taxes on investment income.
And cuts in taxes on huge inheritances.
More than half of the benefits are going to the wealthiest one
percent.
You could call it trickle-down economics, except that the only thing
that trickled down was a sea of red ink in our state and local
governments, forcing them to cut services for and raise taxes on
middle-class working America.
Now the Congressional Budget Office forecasts deficits totaling $2.75
trillion over the next ten years.
These deficits have been part of their strategy. Some of you will
remember that Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan tried to warn us 20
years
ago, when he predicted that President Ronald Reagan's real strategy
was
to force the government to cut domestic social programs by fostering
federal deficits of historic dimensions. Reagan's own budget director,
David Stockman, admitted as such. Now the leading rightwing political
strategist, Grover Norquist, says the goal is to "starve the beast" --
with trillions of dollars in deficits resulting from trillions of
dollars in tax cuts, until the United States Government is so anemic
and anorexic it can be drowned in the bathtub.
There's no question about it: The corporate conservatives and their
allies in the political and religious right are achieving a vast
transformation of American life that only they understand because they
are its advocates, its architects, and its beneficiaries. In creating
the greatest economic inequality in the advanced world, they have
saddled our nation, our states, and our cities and counties with
structural deficits that will last until our children's children are
ready for retirement, and they are systematically stripping government
of all its functions except rewarding the rich and waging war.
And they are proud of what they have done to our economy and our
society. If instead of practicing journalism I was writing for
Saturday
Night Live, I couldn't have made up the things that this crew have
been
saying. The president's chief economic adviser says shipping technical
and professional jobs overseas is good for the economy. The
president's
Council of Economic Advisers report that hamburger chefs in fast food
restaurants can be considered manufacturing workers. The president's
Federal Reserve Chairman says that the tax cuts may force cutbacks in
social security - but hey, we should make the tax cuts permanent
anyway.
The president's Labor Secretary says it doesn't matter if job growth
has stalled because "the stock market is the ultimate arbiter."
You just can't make this stuff up. You have to hear it to believe it.
This may be the first class war in history where the victims will die
laughing. What we have here is a nationwide scheme to rip off the
government and the poor.
Let's face the reality: If ripping off the public trust; if
distributing tax breaks to the wealthy at the expense of the poor; if
driving the country into deficits deliberately to starve social
benefits; if requiring states to balance their budgets on the backs of
the poor; if squeezing the wages of workers until the labor force
resembles a nation,of serfs -- if this isn't class war, what is?
It's un-American. It's unpatriotic. And it's wrong.
What we need is a mass movement of people like you. Get mad, yes
--there's plenty to be mad about. Then get organized and get busy.
This
is the fight of our lives.
Johnny asia
-The Washington Post --In May 2001, Enron's top lobbyists in
Washington advised the company chairman that then-House Majority Whip
Tom DeLay, R-Criminal-Texas, was pressing for a $100,000 contribution
to his political action committee, in addition to the $250,000 the
company had already pledged to the Republican party that year. DeLay
requested that the new donation come from "a combination of corporate
and personal money from Enron's executives,'' with the understanding
that it would be partly spent on "the redistricting effort in Texas,''
said the e-mail to Ken Lay from lobbyists Rick Shapiro and Linda
Robertson.
http://www.legitgov.org/index.html#breaking_news
Johnny asia
By RAVI NESSMAN, Associated Press Writer
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Insurgents ambushed two U.S. military patrols north of
Baghdad on Sunday, separate attacks that killed three U.S. soldiers
and an Iraqi civilian.
Also, the Philippines government rejected an insurgent group's
ultimatum to pull its small peacekeeping force out of Iraq. The group
has threatened to kill a Filipino man it is holding hostage.
A roadside bomb attack on a U.S. patrol in the city of Samarra, a
hotbed of violence 60 miles north of Baghdad, killed two soldiers
Sunday afternoon and wounded three others, the military said.
An earlier attack on a U.S. convoy in Beiji, 90 miles south of the
northern city of Mosul, began Sunday morning when a roadside bomb
exploded. An enemy vehicle then raced toward the convoy, firing at the
soldiers, who shot back and killed the driver, the military said.
A soldier and a civilian traveling behind the patrol were killed. A
second soldier was injured and evacuated. Thick black smoke poured
over the area from an oil tanker set alight in the attack.
The deaths came a day after four U.S. Marines were killed in a vehicle
accident near Camp Fallujah in western Iraq.
Johnny asia
Florida on Friday, July 16, to do a presentation on behalf of the Bush
campaign's position on 'health care.' This is-- Oops! *was* --a big
secret by the GOP, so protesters don't show up.
http://legitgov.org/index.html#breaking_news
Johnny asia
"It is important that whatever you do succeeds quickly," Kissinger,
who accompanied Ford on the December trip, is reported of having told
Suharto, assuring him as well that if the invasion goes forward, "we
will do our best to keep everyone quiet until the president returns
home."
Suharto launched the invasion of the former Portuguese colony
immediately after Ford left Jakarta and annexed the territory the
following year. Over the next several years, as many as one third of
estimated 750,000 East Timorese died or were killed in
counter-insurgency operations by Indonesian forces.
Secret Papers Show Papuan Self-Determination Sacrificed to U.S.
Courtship of Suharto
Jim Lobe, OneWorld US
WASHINGTON, D.C., Jul 12 (OneWorld) - On the 35th anniversary of the
so-called "Act of Free Choice" (AFC) that resulted in West Papua's
annexation by Indonesia, newly declassified documents depict the
administration of President Richard Nixon as unwilling to raise any
objections to the process despite its assessment that the move was
overwhelmingly opposed by the Papuan people.
The memos were released by the independent National Security Archive
(NSA) Friday.
Washington's Cold-War courtship of Gen. Suharto, who had come to power
in a military coup d'etat in 1966 and ruled Indonesia with an iron
fist until his ouster in 1998, was considered a much higher priority
than a plebiscite on independence "which would be meaningless among
the stone age cultures of New Guinea," according to a memo by
then-national security adviser Henry Kissinger to Nixon on the eve of
a meeting with the Indonesian strongman in Jakarta in June, 1969.
"You should tell (Suharto) that we understand the problems they face
in West Irian," wrote Kissinger who advised Nixon not to bring up the
subject on his own lest Washington be more closely identified with a
process that it knew was flawed.
The newly released documents, which consist of 11 diplomatic cables
and memoranda concerning West Papua from February, 1968, through the
end of the AFC in August, 1969, confirm that Washington was most
concerned at the time about Indonesia's support for U.S. policy in
Vietnam and elsewhere in southeast Asia and saw in Suharto a key ally
despite Jakarta's official non-alignment policy.
He is described in the Kissinger cable as a "moderate military man
..who, although indecisive by outside standards, is committed to
progress and reform."
The cables are also remarkably similar in tone to another batch
released by the NSA in 2001 on the reaction of Kissinger and President
Gerald Ford to Indonesia's planned 1975 invasion of East Timor.
When Suharto asked for Ford's "understanding" for such a move,
according to one secret memorandum cable, Ford replied, "We will
understand and not press you on the issue. We understand the problem
and the intentions you have."
"It is important that whatever you do succeeds quickly," Kissinger,
who accompanied Ford on the December trip, is reported of having told
Suharto, assuring him as well that if the invasion goes forward, "we
will do our best to keep everyone quiet until the president returns
home."
Johnny asia
had been wounded in fighting in April and recommended for a Silver
Star. He was killed July 1. In an interview a few weeks before his
death, Conde described the rebels Marines fight in Ramadi. "They were
young just like me. Fighting for something different, something I
don't understand, something they believe in," he said. "And that's the
worst kind of enemy."
In fighting here, the insurgents have plotted Marine troop movements,
carefully laid ambushes, built increasingly lethal roadside bombs and
demonstrated accurate sniper and rocket-propelled-grenade fire. "I
wouldn't be telling the truth if I said I wasn't impressed," says
Capt. Kelly Royer, 36, of Orangeville, Calif., commander of Echo
Company, which has lost 18 men, more than any other battalion company.
In street fighting, rebels have flanked Marine positions, stood and
fought to the death in some instances, or made controlled, text-book
withdrawals. In one street battle in April, at least five Marines -
including a platoon commander, 2nd Lt. John Wroblewski, 25, of Oak
Ridge, N.J. - were killed or badly wounded by single shots to the
head.
In Ramadi, Marines have encountered even more skilled and deadly
resistance than in Fallujah.
"We will be attacked in Ramadi," says Marine Capt. Rob Weiler, Conde's
company commander. "We just hope we have the opportunity to kill a
great deal of them."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=676&e=6&u=/usatoday/20040712/ts_usatoday/iframadifallsprovincegoestohell
If Ramadi falls, 'province goes to hell'
Mon Jul 12, 6:40 AM ET
By Gregg Zoroya, USA TODAY
This may be the most dangerous city in Iraq.
Though battles in places such as Fallujah and Najaf have gotten far
more attention, the Marine battalion in this provincial capital has
encountered the most deadly combat fighting and logged the highest
number of casualties of any U.S. battalion since the war in Iraq
began.
In the past four months of fighting, the 2nd Battalion of the 4th
Marine Regiment - nicknamed "The Magnificent Bastards" - has had 31
killed and 175 wounded, roughly 20% of its 1,000-man fighting
strength.
Among the latest to die was Sgt. Kenneth Conde, 23, of Orlando. Conde
had been wounded in fighting in April and recommended for a Silver
Star. He was killed July 1. In an interview a few weeks before his
death, Conde described the rebels Marines fight in Ramadi. "They were
young just like me. Fighting for something different, something I
don't understand, something they believe in," he said. "And that's the
worst kind of enemy."
Bruno Cattivabrutto
> CLG has received word that Laura Bush will be in Jacksonville,
> Florida on Friday, July 16, to do a presentation on behalf of the Bush
> campaign's position on 'health care.' This is-- Oops! *was* --a big
> secret by the GOP, so protesters don't show up.
If they're letting her drive a car, I'd suggest you all stay off the
streets until she's gone.
Johnny asia
Bush Insists He Has Made America Safer
By Steve Holland
OAK RIDGE, Tenn. (Reuters) - Under fire for intelligence failures at
home and abroad, President Bush tried on Monday to convince American
voters he has made them safer since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
<SmirkS>
@news.mybizz.net:
> Bush Insists He Has Made America Safer
>
>
> By Steve Holland
>
> OAK RIDGE, Tenn. (Reuters) - Under fire for intelligence failures at
> home and abroad, President Bush tried on Monday to convince American
> voters he has made them safer since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
of course.
yes, if another terrorist attack strikes new york in october - then i
certainly won't want to vote here in san francisco in november. i will
without question do anything my leaders ask of me.
which would likely be to keep paying taxes.
--
TheTruthHurts.
Johnny asia
this scumbag was dispatched to hell?
Rapist Killed After Taking Hostage in Del.
By RANDALL CHASE, Associated Press Writer
SMYRNA, Del. - An inmate who took a woman hostage at a state prison
was shot and killed by a sharpshooter Monday afternoon, authorities
said.
The sharpshooter, a member of a Corrections Department emergency
response team, fatally shot the inmate after seeing that "the hostage
was in imminent danger," department spokeswoman Beth Welch said.
It was not clear how many shots were fired, according to the
spokeswoman.
The hostage has been taken to a nearby hospital, Welch said. It was
not known if the hostage was injured and her condition was not known.
The inmate, Scott A. Miller, 45, was believed armed with a homemade
knife. He took the woman hostage in the maximum security area of the
Delaware Correctional Center in midmorning, and negotiations continued
with him through late afternoon.
The shooting took place in a counselor's office, Welch said. The
hostage was a counselor, but it was not known if the office was hers,
or how Miller first came in contact with her.
Carl Danberg, assistant to the commissioner of corrections, would not
provide details on how the hostage-taking occurred.
Miller was convicted of multiple sex offenses and kidnapping charges
involving attacks on nine women in 1997. Prison officials said his
sentences totaled 699 years.
Miguel
bias. You'll love it!!!!
gr...@internet.charitydays.uk.co wrote in message news:<dv21f05sfgmvlupbn...@4ax.com>...
> >
> >REPUBLICAN BIAS AT FOX NEWS DOCUMENTED IN NEW FILM,
> >FEATURING FORMER EMPLOYEES
> >
> >
> >Former Fox Journalists, Internal Memos to Blow the Whistle on Fox
> >Partisan Bias
> >Progressives Call for Media Reform
> >
> >
> >At a New York press conference this coming Monday, four former Fox
> >News employees will go on the record to expose Fox?s persistent
> >Republican partisan bias, while releasing internal memorandums from
> >Fox News Channel showing executive level instructions to Fox on how to
> >bias the news.
> >
> >
> >The four Fox whistleblowers appear, along with three others, in Robert
> >Greenwald?s new documentary ?Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch?s War on
> >Journalism,? excerpts of which will be shown at the news conference.
> >The film is a devastating indictment of the Fox News Channel?s
> >purposeful disinformation in the pursuit of partisan objectives. Also
> >at the news conference, Common Cause and MoveOn will outline their
> >forthcoming campaign OUTFOX, starting with thousands of house parties
> >to show the film taking place on Sunday, July 18th.
> >
> >
> >
> >On Tuesday, media are invited to the official film premiere and to a
> >panel on media consolidation and reform hosted by The Center for
> >American Progress, with media authors and critics such as Arianna
> >Huffington and Eric Alterman.
> >
> >
> >
> >WHAT: Press Conference with Fox Whistle Blowers
> >
> >
> >
> >WHEN: Monday, July 12, 2004, 12 NOON
> >
> >
> >
> >WHERE: Emery Roth Salon I, Ritz-Carlton NY, 50 Central Park
> >South, New York, New York
> >
> >(59th Street between 5th & 6th Avenues)
> >
> >
> >
> >WHO: Former Fox employees; Eric Alterman (The Center for
> >American Progress); Robert Greenwald (filmmaker); Chellie Pingree
> >(Common Cause, spokesperson for coalition)
> >
> >
> >
> >To RSVP for the press conference (at which copies of the full film
> >will be available), please contact Trevor Fitzgibbon or Kawana Lloyd
> >at 202-822-5200.
> >
> >At Tuesday?s panel, The Center for American Progress? Media and
> >Democracy Project will explore the impact of today?s media ownership
> >structure on news, journalistic standards and democratic dialogue, as
> >well as explain why progressives must include media policy in their
> >political agenda. How has media concentration affected the accuracy of
> >news and the diversity of viewpoints? What does it portend for
> >informed debate and democratic participation? Five leading writers
> >will answer these questions and explore issues presented in
> >Greenwald?s film. A reception will follow..
gr...@internet.charitydays.uk.co
xtmprs...@erols.com
Johnny asia
TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's Supreme Leader said on Tuesday he believed
the United States and Israel, rather than Muslims, were behind the
kidnapping and killing of foreign nationals in Iraq.
"We seriously suspect the agents Americans and Israelis in conducting
such horrendous terrorist moves," the official IRNA news agency quoted
Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei as saying in a meeting with
visiting Singaporean Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong.
"(We) cannot believe that the people who kidnap Philippine nationals,
for instance, or beheaded U.S. nationals are Muslims."
Johnny asia
Tue Jul 13,12:34 AM ET
By Glenn Somerville
CLEVELAND (Reuters) - The risk of terror attacks is one of the key
dangers the U.S. economy faces and requires vigilance against any bid
to weaken measures for investigating suspicious money transactions,
U.S. Treasury Secretary John Snow said in remarks prepared for
delivery on Tuesday.
Declaring "there is no more serious threat to our economy than the
threat of terrorist attacks on our soil," Snow highlighted the
Treasury Department (news - web sites)'s role in tracking terror
finances and said the Patriot Act had helped law enforcement officials
and financial services providers share information.
Luke
machine moveon. That "organization" is only trying to push a liberal
agenda, they have no interest in anything besides brainwashing the
American public.
michaelg...@msn.com (Miguel) wrote in message news:<fc7fb8ba.04071...@posting.google.com>...
catbrier
> HEY PISS ANT WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK CNN ABC NBC CBS DO FOR YOU
> LEFTIST RETARDS.
>
> --
> PETER
That is non-sense. The problem with modern neo-conservatives is that
the truth is biased against their distorted world-view. So of course
the centerist press seems biased to you because they aren't outwardly
lying. The fact that you think these "centerists" are "liberal" shows
how far off on the reich-wing you really are.
Cat
catbrier
> <xtmprs...@erols.com> wrote in message
> news:40F09078...@erols.com...
>
> > In a related story, hell is hot.
> >
> > OF COURSE they bias the news. The only people who don't
> > know that are the people that fox news conns.
>
> SOMEONE has to counteract the leftist tripe of CNN and MSNBC...
An attempt at shifting the blame that won't sell. Except to brainwashed neo-cons.
Cat
catbrier
> bias. You'll love it!!!!
It is of national importance to expose these FoxNews liars before the
public. Neo-cons now threaten not only our national economy - but also
our national security.
Cat
xtmprs...@erols.com
That often happens when your right wing agenda conflicts with reality.
Johnny Buffalo
pope_about_town at yahoo.com (Johnny asia) wrote in message news:<40f3af60...@news.mybizz.net>...
Tom A. Hawke
"Johnny Buffalo" <Kip...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:94a6979e.04071...@posting.google.com...
> Commie liberals believe Iran leader over their own leader.
>
his entire wittle lives. </sarcasm>
Johnny asia
Tue Jul 13,
PARIS (AFP) - A French woman who claimed last week she had been the
victim of a vicious anti-Semitic attack admitted to police that she
had made up the entire incident, and was detained for falsely
reporting a crime.
After being questioned for a second time by investigators about the
alleged incident on July 9, which shocked France and shed a negative
light on government efforts to stamp out anti-Semitism, the woman
admitted she had lied.
The 23-year-old had initially told police that a gang of six youths
had accosted her on a suburban train outside Paris, slashing her
clothes and drawing swastikas on her stomach after mistaking her for a
Jew.
"The first declarations of the young woman reveal that her accusations
were lies and that she had been making it all up," the public
prosecutor's office said in a statement.
The woman admitted to "having made knife cut marks on herself, cut off
a lock of her own hair and drawn swastikas on her body," it said.
Doubts had mounted Tuesday over her claim after no one came forward to
corroborate the story, despite the fact that she said some 20 people
had witnessed the alleged incident.
She changed her story Tuesday, too, to say that she and her
13-month-old child had been assaulted outside the train, but finally
admitted that she had totally invented the attack, police said.
The woman has been placed in preventive detention for falsely
reporting a crime, state prosecutor Xavier Salvat told AFP. She could
face up to six months in prison and a 7,500-euro (9,200-dollar) fine
if tried and convicted.
Her boyfriend has also been detained, police said.
Lance Lamboy
> French woman admits she made up anti-Semitic attack
>
> Tue Jul 13,
>
>
>
> PARIS (AFP) - A French woman who claimed last week she had been the
> victim of a vicious anti-Semitic attack admitted to police that she had
> made up the entire incident, and was detained for falsely reporting a
> crime.
>
<snip>
If only she was American, she would have fit in dubya's cabinet perfectly.
> +
>
> "The power of accurate observation is called cynicism by those who have
> not got it." - G. B. Shaw
>
> Johnny Asia, Pope-About-Town
> The First Church of Common Sense
>
> Want to know what's REALLY going on in Iraq?
> http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
>
> Cowboys and Idiots: The Reagan Administration
> Ronnies' "Brave freedom fighters" are now Bushs' "evildoers" who "hate
> our freedoms".
> http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.html
>
> The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire The God-Awful Truth about
> Christian Zionism
> http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
--
Lance Lamboy
"Go F*ck Yourself" ~ Dick Cheney
Johnny asia
Tue Jul 13,
By Susan Page, USA TODAY
John Kerry gets a boost nationwide from his choice of North Carolina
Sen. John Edwards as running mate. But Edwards fails to make his home
state competitive, the first in a series of state-by-state polls by
USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup shows.
Democratic hopes that Edwards' selection would broaden the list of
battleground states in the South were dented by the survey. In it,
President Bush and Vice President Cheney hold a commanding 54%-39%
lead among likely voters in North Carolina. The lead narrows to
49%-43% among registered voters.
Nationwide, however, Edwards gives Kerry a six-point bounce. The
Democrats now lead Bush-Cheney by 50% to 45% among likely voters, with
independent candidate Ralph Nader at 2%. Three weeks earlier, before
Kerry announced his vice presidential choice, Bush led Kerry by a
single point.
The national survey was taken Thursday through Sunday, the state poll
Friday through Sunday. The margin of error for likely voters is +/- 4
percentage points in the national survey, +/- 5 in the state.
Mack North
asia) wrote:
>French woman admits she made up anti-Semitic attack
>
>Tue Jul 13,
>
>
>
>PARIS (AFP) - A French woman who claimed last week she had been the
>victim of a vicious anti-Semitic attack admitted to police that she
>had made up the entire incident, and was detained for falsely
>reporting a crime.
Sounds like a typical rightwinger faking abuse from minorities.
---Mack
Johnny asia
http://finance.yahoo.com/mo
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June Retail Sales report... The indications had begun falling ahead of
the report, and this news has only kept them along their lows...
INTC's weak Q2 report and business update, along with the massive
losses in Europe and Asia, has only compounded the...
MrPepper11
> French woman admits she made up anti-Semitic attack
> Tue Jul 13,
>
> PARIS (AFP) - A French woman who claimed last week she had been the
> victim of a vicious anti-Semitic attack admitted to police that she
> had made up the entire incident, and was detained for falsely
> reporting a crime.
>
> After being questioned for a second time by investigators about the
> alleged incident on July 9, which shocked France and shed a negative
> light on government efforts to stamp out anti-Semitism, the woman
> admitted she had lied.
People do that in the U.S. from time to time - Blacks and women
inventing hate crimes for the hell of it; whites conveniently blaming
imaginary blacks for murder.
Bugman
"Mack North" <ro...@yomama.edu> wrote in message
news:t2h9f0t7a1jmk60ju...@4ax.com...
Or getting attacked after a viewing of F 9/11.
Johnny asia
In a late-night interview Tuesday on Austrian state television, the
bishop said he accepts overall responsibility for what happened at the
seminary but insisted the furor was overblown.
Furor Grows Over Austria Church Porn Case
By WILLIAM J. KOLE, Associated Press Writer
VIENNA, Austria - Pressure mounted Wednesday for the resignation of an
embattled Roman Catholic bishop over the discovery at a seminary of a
huge cache of child pornography and photos of candidates for the
priesthood engaging in gay sex.
Only if Bishop Kurt Krenn steps down "will an extensive investigation
be possible" into the discovery of up to 40,000 photos and many
videos, said Helmut Schueller, the Archdiocese of Vienna's ombudsman
for victims of sexual abuse.
Schueller called on the Vatican to force out Krenn, 68, who oversees
the diocese in St. Poelten, 50 miles west of Vienna where the seminary
is located.
Krenn has been widely criticized for dismissing photos of seminarians
kissing and fondling each other as a "schoolboy prank." Officials say
other photos show the students allegedly engaging in sex games with
older religious instructors.
In a late-night interview Tuesday on Austrian state television, the
bishop said he accepts overall responsibility for what happened at the
seminary but insisted the furor was overblown.
"Although these things naturally fall into my competence, I had
nothing to do with them," he said, calling the affair "an
exaggeration."
The porn discovery, which was disclosed earlier this week, has
scandalized many in the overwhelmingly Catholic nation. Church leaders
are still trying to heal divisions caused by allegations that the late
Cardinal Hermann Groer molested students at an all-male boarding
school in the 1970s.
A defiant Krenn said published photos showing seminary students
French-kissing each other were taken at the end of a Christmas
celebration and were merely traditional "Christmas kisses."
"It had absolutely nothing at all to do with homosexuality," he said
in the nationally televised interview, adding that those involved
would not be punished.
Schueller rejected that notion Wednesday, telling Austrian radio "it
is completely clear that the photos concerned homoerotic encounters"
between older priests and young seminarians.
The seminary's director, the Rev. Ulrich Kuechl, has resigned along
with his deputy, Wolfgang Rothe.
Krenn, however, has refused to step down despite repeated calls for
his resignation and for a criminal investigation to determine whether
older seminary leaders used their positions of authority to get sexual
favors from their young charges.
Many of the candid photos were taken by an unidentified 33-year-old
Polish-born priest who used a digital camera, authorities in the
province of Lower Austria said Wednesday. Officials have said most of
the images involving children were downloaded from a Web site in
Poland.
Krenn, whose close ties to the Vatican led to a visit by Pope John
Paul II to his diocese in 1998, was criticized at the time for
defending Groer and insisting the cardinal was innocent of the
pedophilia charges.
The Austrian magazine News quoted Krenn on Wednesday as saying the
Austrian Bishops Conference, which has pledged to push for a quick and
thorough internal investigation, was overstepping its authority.
"This is a diocesan affair ... it doesn't concern them in the least,"
Krenn said.
Luke
listens. It's no surprise they are backing this pathetic
"documentary."
xtmprs...@erols.com wrote in message news:<40F42424...@erols.com>...
Johnny asia
evidence of cooperation between Saddam and Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida
network.
Butler said British intelligence had not relied too heavily on
dissident Iraqis for WMD intelligence. U.S. President George W. Bush
(news - web sites)'s administration has conceded it accepted
misleading information from Ahmed Chalabi, a prominent exile who
wanted to get the United States to overthrow Saddam so he could return
to Iraq.
"We do not believe that over-reliance on dissident and emigre sources
was a major cause of subsequent weaknesses in the human intelligence
relied on by the U.K.," Butler wrote.
Butler noted that British intelligence had not suggested there was
evidence of cooperation between Saddam and Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida
network.
Johnny asia
No postponement, just bedlam at the polls and a low turnout on the
west coast is Bush's plan for 'victory' -- by Wayne Madsen
"If the pre-election internal tracking polls and public opinion polls
show the Kerry-Edwards ticket leading in key battleground states, the
Bush team will begin to implement their plan to announce an imminent
terrorist alert for the West Coast for November 2 sometime during the
mid afternoon Pacific Standard Time. At 2:00 PST, the polls in
Kentucky and Indiana will be one hour from closing (5:00 PM EST – the
polls close in Indiana and Kentucky at 6:00 PM EST)."
http://www.legitgov.org/essay_madsen_terrorism_and_california_071404.html
Johnny asia
Saddam Hussein was not responsible for the massacre, and indicates
that it was the work of Iranians.
Pelletiere wrote that Saddam Hussein has much to answer for in the
area of human rights abuses. "But accusing him of gassing his own
people at Halabja as an act of genocide is not correct, because as far
as the information we have goes, all of the cases where gas was used
involved battles. These were tragedies of war. There may be
justifications for invading Iraq, but Halabja is not one of them."
Saddam Could Call CIA in His Defence
Fri Jul 2, 2004
Sanjay Suri, Inter Press Service (IPS)
LONDON, Jul 2 (IPS) Evidence offered by a top CIA man could confirm
the testimony given by Saddam Hussein at the opening of his trial in
Baghdad Thursday that he knew of the Halabja massacre only from the
newspapers.
Thousands were reported killed in the gassing of Iraqi Kurds in
Halabja in the north of Iraq in March 1988 towards the end of Iraq's
eight-year war with Iran. The gassing of the Kurds has long been held
to be the work of Ali Hassan al-Majid, named in the West because of
that association as 'Chemical Ali'. Saddam Hussein is widely alleged
to have ordered Ali to carry out the chemical attack.
The Halabja massacre is now prominent among the charges read out
against Saddam in the Baghdad court. When that charge was read out,
Saddam replied that he had read about the massacre in a newspaper.
Saddam has denied these allegations ever since they were made. But now
with a trial on, he could summon a witness in his defence with the
potential to blow apart the charge and create one of the greatest
diplomatic disasters the United States has ever known.
A report prepared by the top CIA official handling the matter says
Saddam Hussein was not responsible for the massacre, and indicates
that it was the work of Iranians. Further, the Scott inquiry on the
role of the British government has gathered evidence that following
the massacre the United States in fact armed Saddam Hussein to counter
the Iranians chemicals for chemicals.
Few believe that a CIA man would attend a court hearing in Baghdad in
defence of Saddam. But in this case the CIA boss has gone public with
his evidence, and this evidence has been in the public domain for more
than a year.
The CIA officer Stephen C. Pelletiere was the agency's senior
political analyst on Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war. As professor at
the Army War College from 1988 to 2000, he says he was privy to much
of the classified material that flowed through Washington having to do
with the Persian Gulf.
In addition, he says he headed a 1991 Army investigation into how the
Iraqis would fight a war against the United States, and the classified
version of the report went into great detail on the Halabja affair.
Pelletiere went public with his information on no less a platform than
The New York Times in an article on January 31 last year titled 'A War
Crime or an Act of War?' The article which challenged the case for war
quoted U.S. President George W. Bush as saying: "The dictator who is
assembling the world's most dangerous weapons has already used them on
whole villages, leaving thousands of his own citizens dead, blind or
disfigured."
Pelletiere says the United States Defence Intelligence Agency
investigated and produced a classified report following the Halabja
gassing, which it circulated within the intelligence community on a
need-to-know basis. "That study asserted that it was Iranian gas that
killed the Kurds, not Iraqi gas," he wrote in The New York Times.
The agency did find that each side used gas against the other in the
battle around Halabja, he said. "The condition of the dead Kurds'
bodies, however, indicated they had been killed with a blood agent --
that is, a cyanide-based gas -- which Iran was known to use. "The
Iraqis, who are thought to have used mustard gas in the battle, are
not known to have possessed blood agents at the time."
Pelletiere write that these facts have "long been in the public domain
but, extraordinarily, as often as the Halabja affair is cited, they
are rarely mentioned."
Pelletiere wrote that Saddam Hussein has much to answer for in the
area of human rights abuses. "But accusing him of gassing his own
people at Halabja as an act of genocide is not correct, because as far
as the information we have goes, all of the cases where gas was used
involved battles. These were tragedies of war. There may be
justifications for invading Iraq, but Halabja is not one of them."
Miguel
> michaelg...@msn.com (Miguel) wrote in message news:<fc7fb8ba.04071...@posting.google.com>...
> > If you don't like Fox News, go to CNN, there is plenty of leftist
> > bias. You'll love it!!!!
>
> It is of national importance to expose these FoxNews liars before the
> public. Neo-cons now threaten not only our national economy - but also
> our national security.
>
> Cat
>
networks I only hear the leftist agenda. No wonder Fox is beating all
other networks in the polls. Viva O'Reilly!
Miguel
Gary Forbis
> MoveOn has a liberal agenda and they try to force it on anyone who
> listens. It's no surprise they are backing this pathetic
> "documentary."
How does one force an agenda on others by rhetoric alone?
I don't know how the choice to listen to views puts one at risk.
Could you explain?