> it would be nice to think you get paid for such remarkably > inane witticisms... they're way too dumb for you to be a > Company man.
> sounds more FBI-ish. either that, or a local rupublican rotarian with > noting but time9and his pecker) on his hands.
He's not just cheezy. He is performing a valuable camoflage and disinfo function for his "enemies". One wonders whether it is on purpose.
Here's a guy who appears to salivate autonomically whenever the letters "CIA" are mentioned, and has a pathway burned in his head that associates that org with the distribution of serious amounts of drugs in the USA. His concern, he projects, could not be any greater. He is on a mission.
And yet he has chosen to try to force a focus on Barry Seal at Mena, a situation that has been looked at by at least a score of reporters, and discussed endlessly. The "information" he takes as gospel has *already been used to scuttle a case against the USG for drug trafficking.*
Barry Seal's pilot is available. Barry Seal's chief pursuer is available. The guy who tried to nail Barry Seal for laundering money through Mena banks is available. Seal's DEA handlers are available. Court documents are available. ***None*** of them support the thesis that Barry Seal jacked tons of drugs into the U.S. for the CIA. ***None***. What does Hopsicker have to counter this body of evidence from disparate sources? Nothing, except his supposed passion; that's what. Oh, yes -- and a video that supposedly cost him $50k to produce.
If Daniel Hopsicker is concerned about Bush, Clinton and the CIA's roles in drug importation into the U.S., why is he smearing people who are telling him he's looking in the wrong place, and who appear to have corroborated *facts* on their side?
Here ya go, Hopsicker, something styled after your own bullshit: How much did Clinton, the Dixie Mafia, and/or the CIA pay you to do your lame video?
> > it would be nice to think you get paid for such remarkably > > inane witticisms... they're way too dumb for you to be a > > Company man.
> > sounds more FBI-ish. either that, or a local rupublican rotarian with > > noting but time9and his pecker) on his hands.
> He's not just cheezy. He is performing a valuable camoflage > and disinfo function for his "enemies". One wonders whether it > is on purpose.
> Here's a guy who appears to salivate autonomically whenever > the letters "CIA" are mentioned, and has a pathway burned > in his head that associates that org with the distribution > of serious amounts of drugs in the USA. His concern, > he projects, could not be any greater. He is on a mission.
> And yet he has chosen to try to force a focus on Barry > Seal at Mena, a situation that has been looked at by > at least a score of reporters, and discussed endlessly. > The "information" he takes as gospel has *already been used > to scuttle a case against the USG for drug trafficking.*
> Barry Seal's pilot is available. Barry Seal's chief pursuer > is available. The guy who tried to nail Barry Seal for > laundering money through Mena banks is available. Seal's > DEA handlers are available. Court documents are available. > ***None*** of them support the thesis that Barry Seal > jacked tons of drugs into the U.S. for the CIA. ***None***. > What does Hopsicker have to counter this body of evidence > from disparate sources? Nothing, except his supposed passion; > that's what. Oh, yes -- and a video that supposedly cost him > $50k to produce.
> If Daniel Hopsicker is concerned about Bush, Clinton and the > CIA's roles in drug importation into the U.S., why is he > smearing people who are telling him he's looking in the wrong > place, and who appear to have corroborated *facts* on their side?
> Here ya go, Hopsicker, something styled after your own bullshit: > How much did Clinton, the Dixie Mafia, and/or the CIA pay you to > do your lame video?
When the monkeys tired, the Boys were forced to resort to inmates at mental facilities in friendly states, where the spelling was better, but the logic said 'thorazine' all over...
the long story: "Scandal in contemporary U.S. life is an institutionalized sociological phenomenon. It is not due primarily to psychopathological variables, but is due to the institutionalization of elite wrongdoing which has occcurred since 1963."
"Many of the scandals that have occurred in the U.S. since 1963 are fundamentally interrelated: that is, the same people and institutions have been involved." -Prof.David Simon, "Elite Deviance" 5th ed.
the short story: "Barry Seal was to the CIA what 00 is to 7."
> > > it would be nice to think you get paid for such remarkably > > > inane witticisms... they're way too dumb for you to be a > > > Company man.
> > > sounds more FBI-ish. either that, or a local rupublican rotarian with > > > noting but time9and his pecker) on his hands.
> > He's not just cheezy. He is performing a valuable camoflage > > and disinfo function for his "enemies". One wonders whether it > > is on purpose.
> > Here's a guy who appears to salivate autonomically whenever > > the letters "CIA" are mentioned, and has a pathway burned > > in his head that associates that org with the distribution > > of serious amounts of drugs in the USA. His concern, > > he projects, could not be any greater. He is on a mission.
> > And yet he has chosen to try to force a focus on Barry > > Seal at Mena, a situation that has been looked at by > > at least a score of reporters, and discussed endlessly. > > The "information" he takes as gospel has *already been used > > to scuttle a case against the USG for drug trafficking.*
> > Barry Seal's pilot is available. Barry Seal's chief pursuer > > is available. The guy who tried to nail Barry Seal for > > laundering money through Mena banks is available. Seal's > > DEA handlers are available. Court documents are available. > > ***None*** of them support the thesis that Barry Seal > > jacked tons of drugs into the U.S. for the CIA. ***None***. > > What does Hopsicker have to counter this body of evidence > > from disparate sources? Nothing, except his supposed passion; > > that's what. Oh, yes -- and a video that supposedly cost him > > $50k to produce.
> > If Daniel Hopsicker is concerned about Bush, Clinton and the > > CIA's roles in drug importation into the U.S., why is he > > smearing people who are telling him he's looking in the wrong > > place, and who appear to have corroborated *facts* on their side?
> > Here ya go, Hopsicker, something styled after your own bullshit: > > How much did Clinton, the Dixie Mafia, and/or the CIA pay you to > > do your lame video?
Pavlov's "Executive Producer" fails to notice the alarmingly expanding wet spot beneath his computer....
the long story: "Scandal in contemporary U.S. life is an institutionalized sociological phenomenon. It is not due primarily to psychopathological variables, but is due to the institutionalization of elite wrongdoing which has occcurred since 1963."
"Many of the scandals that have occurred in the U.S. since 1963 are fundamentally interrelated: that is, the same people and institutions have been involved." -Prof.David Simon, "Elite Deviance" 5th ed.
the short story: "Barry Seal was to the CIA what 00 is to 7."
the long story: "Scandal in contemporary U.S. life is an institutionalized sociological phenomenon. It is not due primarily to psychopathological variables, but is due to the institutionalization of elite wrongdoing which has occcurred since 1963."
"Many of the scandals that have occurred in the U.S. since 1963 are fundamentally interrelated: that is, the same people and institutions have been involved." -Prof.David Simon, "Elite Deviance" 5th ed.
the short story: "Barry Seal was to the CIA what 00 is to 7." -- Daniel Hopsicker Executive Producer http://www.MadCowProd.com
the long story: "Scandal in contemporary U.S. life is an institutionalized sociological phenomenon. It is not due primarily to psychopathological variables, but is due to the institutionalization of elite wrongdoing which has occcurred since 1963."
"Many of the scandals that have occurred in the U.S. since 1963 are fundamentally interrelated: that is, the same people and institutions have been involved." -Prof.David Simon, "Elite Deviance" 5th ed.
the short story: "Barry Seal was to the CIA what 00 is to 7."
> Nothing came out of > the trunk of Barry Seal's car when he was killed. Not one god damned > thing. It was in the seat next to him. There were two boxes and I got > the only copies of that stuff, ever, before the boxes were returned to > the family. If anybody has any information from that stuff, they either > got it from the Seal family or they got it from my file. If they tell > you any different they're full of shit and I can prove it. Don't bother > calling me with any questions. I don't have anymore answers for you. I'm > not interested in being a part of any of those others that you have > teamed up with. You think I'm in an ego match with the likes of people > that we've been talking about. I'm protecting myself and trying to > explain, to you, how things have been. You said you wanted my story. > Well, I tried to give it to you. If you want to go chasing spooks, leave > me the fuck alone. I've got other places to take my story to. I'll get > my shit back from you somehow. I'll either drive out there and get it or > you can send it COD. I want it back as soon as possible. I'll expect to > get paid for what I've contributed. Take your arrogant attitude and > stick it up your ass.
the long story: "Scandal in contemporary U.S. life is an institutionalized sociological phenomenon. It is not due primarily to psychopathological variables, but is due to the institutionalization of elite wrongdoing which has occcurred since 1963."
"Many of the scandals that have occurred in the U.S. since 1963 are fundamentally interrelated: that is, the same people and institutions have been involved." -Prof.David Simon, "Elite Deviance" 5th ed.
the short story: "Barry Seal was to the CIA what 00 is to 7."
> > from Russell Welch: > (not one word of criticism of The Secret Heartbeat of America")
Here's some:
It's a fantasy. You didn't do due diligence. You don't have corroboration. You make untenable leaps to reach misleading and inaccurate conclusions. It is a propaganda piece, and nothing more.
> Too bad Shilly One. What you posted is welch chastising me > for speaking to sources
The "sources" you spoke to got their information from Welch and/or the evidence he had amassed, and then ran off into never-never land with it; that's what he told you. And so you ran off into never-never land and produced a slick piece of crap, when you had a *unique* chance to expose the truth about the myths, which would have done a major service, and would have advanced the search for the truth. You decided to become a clown, instead.
> It's a fantasy. You didn't do due diligence. You don't have > corroboration. You make untenable leaps to reach misleading > and inaccurate conclusions. It is a propaganda piece, and > nothing more.
>You are entitled to your opinion.
> The "sources" you spoke to got their information from > Welch and/or the evidence he had amassed, and then > ran off into never-never land with it; that's what he > told you. And so you ran off into never-never land and > produced a slick piece of crap, when you had a *unique* > chance to expose the truth about the myths, which would > have done a major service, and would have advanced the > search for the truth. You decided to become a clown, > instead.
Again, your opinion is protected under the 1st amendment, unless, like gary webb,or,soon, michael isikoff, you exercise it.
But your statements of 'fact' are all wrong. NAME ONE INTERVIEWEE ON MY SHOW who peddles myths, or got their info from welch.THERE AREN'T ANY.
This is tedious, tho, because i don't believe you are interested in the TRUTH, Shilly One.
You are interested in getting Clinton, if and only if you can protect Republicans at the same time.
And it won't be--and here's MY opinion-- until people inb this country GET OVER themselves about this false repub/demo deal... LIKE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE TO JACKSON STEPHENS?-- --AND START THINKING OF THEMSELVES AS AMERICANS... that anything good will come of the fact that--and here i grant you a point-- Clinton's IS the most criminal and illegitimate Presidency... in a LINE of criminal and illegitimate Presidencies extending back to the last TRUE President of the United States P.C. (Pre-Coup): John F. Kennedy.
the long story: "Scandal in contemporary U.S. life is an institutionalized sociological phenomenon. It is not due primarily to psychopathological variables, but is due to the institutionalization of elite wrongdoing which has occcurred since 1963."
"Many of the scandals that have occurred in the U.S. since 1963 are fundamentally interrelated: that is, the same people and institutions have been involved." -Prof.David Simon, "Elite Deviance" 5th ed.
the short story: "Barry Seal was to the CIA what 00 is to 7."
> You forget, of course, to note that you have nothing from welch, > although, knowing you, god knows you've tried.
No, Hopsicker, you just want to continue to play schoolyard games. The issue isn't whether or not Welch commented on your fantasy video -- he didn't, because he wouldn't watch it -- even though that's what you want it to be. The issue is whether or not the video is the product of a bullshit huckster running off to embrace wild, untenable stories, *the basis of which, before they were warped, came from Welch and his work*.
My comments about you and your video, and your abdication of
> > It's a fantasy. You didn't do due diligence. You don't have > > corroboration. You make untenable leaps to reach misleading > > and inaccurate conclusions. It is a propaganda piece, and > > nothing more.
> >You are entitled to your opinion.
> > The "sources" you spoke to got their information from > > Welch and/or the evidence he had amassed, and then > > ran off into never-never land with it; that's what he > > told you. And so you ran off into never-never land and > > produced a slick piece of crap, when you had a *unique* > > chance to expose the truth about the myths, which would > > have done a major service, and would have advanced the > > search for the truth. You decided to become a clown, > > instead.
> Again, your opinion is protected under the 1st amendment, > unless, like gary webb,or,soon, michael isikoff, you exercise it.
Facts are facts. You lied about Wendell Seal. You lied about Bottoms being complicit in Seal's murder. When you left out your knowledge, described by Bottoms, of Seal's meeting with Bush, and instead breathily told of Bush's phone number being among Seal's belongings, as if it were a big, pregnant mystery, you effectively lied, created a false impression, smeared bullshit over the truth, to advance your agenda.
> But your statements of 'fact' are all wrong. > NAME ONE INTERVIEWEE ON MY SHOW who peddles myths, or > got their info from welch.THERE AREN'T ANY.
It's the executive producer I'm concerned with here, Hopsicker. You trade in smears and heavy breathing innuendo, and the result is that people who watch your tape wind up further away from the truth of what happened. And someone, somewhere, is smiling, as you do his dirty work for him.
You had a real shot at doing something important. You turned it into a carnival, and drove Russell Welch into withdrawal from the effort to peel away the fog.
the long story: "Scandal in contemporary U.S. life is an institutionalized sociological phenomenon. It is not due primarily to psychopathological variables, but is due to the institutionalization of elite wrongdoing which has occcurred since 1963."
"Many of the scandals that have occurred in the U.S. since 1963 are fundamentally interrelated: that is, the same people and institutions have been involved." -Prof.David Simon, "Elite Deviance" 5th ed.
the short story: "Barry Seal was to the CIA what 00 is to 7."
> I will wear your condemnation,sir, as a badge of honor, > since it places me in the company of men and women like > Dr. Roger Morris and Sally Denton.
You were in the room with Seal's pilot and Seal's pursuer, in Russell Welch's house, in Mena. Morris and Denton never had the unique opportunity you had, Hopsicker. What a waste.
> BTW...what have YOU heard about Seal flying the get-away > plane in Dallas?
Quit playing your childish game, Hopsicker. Do you have something to reveal? Have you obtained corroboration for whatever it is? Or is this just going to be more of the same oozy innuendo?
> > I will wear your condemnation,sir, as a badge of honor, > > since it places me in the company of men and women like > > Dr. Roger Morris and Sally Denton.
> You were in the room with Seal's pilot and Seal's pursuer, > in Russell Welch's house, in Mena. Morris and Denton never had > the unique opportunity you had, Hopsicker. What a waste.
> > BTW...what have YOU heard about Seal flying the get-away > > plane in Dallas?
> Quit playing your childish game, Hopsicker. Do you have > something to reveal? Have you obtained corroboration > for whatever it is? Or is this just going to be more > of the same oozy innuendo?
No you reveal something...you know about black eagle? and you think bottoms wasn't part of it?
the long story: "Scandal in contemporary U.S. life is an institutionalized sociological phenomenon. It is not due primarily to psychopathological variables, but is due to the institutionalization of elite wrongdoing which has occcurred since 1963."
"Many of the scandals that have occurred in the U.S. since 1963 are fundamentally interrelated: that is, the same people and institutions have been involved." -Prof.David Simon, "Elite Deviance" 5th ed.
the short story: "Barry Seal was to the CIA what 00 is to 7."
> > I will wear your condemnation,sir, as a badge of honor, > > since it places me in the company of men and women like > > Dr. Roger Morris and Sally Denton.
> You were in the room with Seal's pilot and Seal's pursuer, > in Russell Welch's house, in Mena. Morris and Denton never had > the unique opportunity you had, Hopsicker. What a waste.
> > BTW...what have YOU heard about Seal flying the get-away > > plane in Dallas?
> Quit playing your childish game, Hopsicker. Do you have > something to reveal? Have you obtained corroboration > for whatever it is? Or is this just going to be more > of the same oozy innuendo?
No you reveal something...you know about black eagle? and you think bottoms wasn't part of it?
the long story: "Scandal in contemporary U.S. life is an institutionalized sociological phenomenon. It is not due primarily to psychopathological variables, but is due to the institutionalization of elite wrongdoing which has occcurred since 1963."
"Many of the scandals that have occurred in the U.S. since 1963 are fundamentally interrelated: that is, the same people and institutions have been involved." -Prof.David Simon, "Elite Deviance" 5th ed.
the short story: "Barry Seal was to the CIA what 00 is to 7."
> > > I will wear your condemnation,sir, as a badge of honor, > > > since it places me in the company of men and women like > > > Dr. Roger Morris and Sally Denton.
> > You were in the room with Seal's pilot and Seal's pursuer, > > in Russell Welch's house, in Mena. Morris and Denton never had > > the unique opportunity you had, Hopsicker. What a waste.
> > > BTW...what have YOU heard about Seal flying the get-away > > > plane in Dallas?
> > Quit playing your childish game, Hopsicker. Do you have > > something to reveal? Have you obtained corroboration > > for whatever it is? Or is this just going to be more > > of the same oozy innuendo?
> No you reveal something..
I don't have anything to "reveal", and either do you, except for the woozy bs that seems to titillate you. Unlike you, I'm looking for what happened; I'm not trying to concoct it.
> > > I will wear your condemnation,sir, as a badge of honor, > > > since it places me in the company of men and women like > > > Dr. Roger Morris and Sally Denton.
> > You were in the room with Seal's pilot and Seal's pursuer, > > in Russell Welch's house, in Mena. Morris and Denton never had > > the unique opportunity you had, Hopsicker. What a waste.
> > > BTW...what have YOU heard about Seal flying the get-away > > > plane in Dallas?
> > Quit playing your childish game, Hopsicker. Do you have > > something to reveal? Have you obtained corroboration > > for whatever it is? Or is this just going to be more > > of the same oozy innuendo?
> No you reveal something...you know about black eagle?
Yeah, I "know" all about Black Eagle by doing searches on the web.
Do you think the CIA will kill me?
> and you think bottoms wasn't part of it? > pray tell then--who was?
Are you still sending out emails to announce that you expect to be killed, and that your phone is tapped, and your mail is being read, etc? You must be really important.
> > It's a fantasy. You didn't do due diligence. You don't have > > corroboration. You make untenable leaps to reach misleading > > and inaccurate conclusions. It is a propaganda piece, and > > nothing more.
> >You are entitled to your opinion.
> > The "sources" you spoke to got their information from > > Welch and/or the evidence he had amassed, and then > > ran off into never-never land with it; that's what he > > told you. And so you ran off into never-never land and > > produced a slick piece of crap, when you had a *unique* > > chance to expose the truth about the myths, which would > > have done a major service, and would have advanced the > > search for the truth. You decided to become a clown, > > instead.
> Again, your opinion is protected under the 1st amendment, > unless, like gary webb,or,soon, michael isikoff, you exercise it.
> But your statements of 'fact' are all wrong. > NAME ONE INTERVIEWEE ON MY SHOW who peddles myths, or > got their info from welch.THERE AREN'T ANY.
> This is tedious, tho, because i don't believe you are interested in the > TRUTH, Shilly One.
> You are interested in getting Clinton, if and only if > you can protect Republicans at the same time.
> And it won't be--and here's MY opinion-- > until people inb this country GET OVER themselves > about this false repub/demo deal... > LIKE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE TO JACKSON STEPHENS?-- > --AND START THINKING OF THEMSELVES AS AMERICANS... > that anything good will come of the fact that--and here i > grant you a point-- Clinton's IS > the most criminal and illegitimate Presidency... > in a LINE of criminal and illegitimate Presidencies extending back to > the last TRUE President of the United States P.C. (Pre-Coup): > John F. Kennedy.
Gee, Dan's hero.
How sweet? Read any good books lately, Dan? Tried on Seymour's little number on JFK?
> the long story: > "Scandal in contemporary U.S. life is an institutionalized sociological > phenomenon. It is not due primarily to psychopathological variables, but > is due to the institutionalization of elite wrongdoing which has > occcurred since 1963."
> "Many of the scandals that have occurred in the U.S. since 1963 are > fundamentally interrelated: that is, the same people and institutions > have been involved." -Prof.David Simon, "Elite Deviance" 5th ed.
> the short story: > "Barry Seal was to the CIA what 00 is to 7."
In article <34C3F75E.B707D...@earthlink.net>, econtv <eco...@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> And it won't be--and here's MY opinion-- > until people inb this country GET OVER themselves > about this false repub/demo deal... > LIKE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE TO JACKSON STEPHENS?-- > --AND START THINKING OF THEMSELVES AS AMERICANS... > that anything good will come of the fact that--and here i > grant you a point-- Clinton's IS > the most criminal and illegitimate Presidency... > in a LINE of criminal and illegitimate Presidencies extending back to > the last TRUE President of the United States P.C. (Pre-Coup): > John F. Kennedy.
Yeah, when Kennedy's playmate was delivering an attache case full of money to Sam and the Boys in the Mob for "get out the vote" drives. (SEE ABC News and _The Darker Side of Camelot_)
*Good one*, Daniel...
And your *consistency* is amusing, also...the DrugMoney Times says drug soft money corruption started in 1960, according to your above post on this newsgroup.
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