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From: pope_about_t...@yahoo.com (Johnny Asia)
Date: 9 Aug 2004 03:55:17 -0700
Local: Mon, Aug 9 2004 6:55 am
Subject: Re: "Criminals" replace Saddam loyalists & foreign fighters

rcman...@excite.com (RCMan) wrote in message <news:3776526f.0408080631.6431da0d@posting.google.com>...
> pope_about_town at yahoo.com (Johnny Asia) wrote in message <news:4115f0c6.28542527@news.mybizz.net>...

> > Johnny Asia, Pope-About-Town
> > The First Church of Common Sense

> > Want to know what's REALLY going on in Iraq?
> > http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html

> Johnnie, why don't you tell me why you and your "Church" REALLY oppose
> the liberation of Iraq?

> =====
> RC

OK Church Lady, I'm busted. You figured it out already, it's
because we're from SATAN!!!!!!!!!

 
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Discussion subject changed to "Polluted U.S. Beaches Closing in Record Numbers, Thanks Bush!" by BlackWater
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From: b...@barrk.net (BlackWater)
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 11:01:51 GMT
Local: Mon, Aug 9 2004 7:01 am
Subject: Re: Polluted U.S. Beaches Closing in Record Numbers, Thanks Bush!
On 8 Aug 2004 20:19:03 GMT, "Dick \"Go F%*& Yourself\" Cheney"

   (a) Such is life. If you live in a 'poor' state then
   you live a 'poorer' life. Everyplace ought not be
   exactly the same. Why burden the states that are
   doing well just to subsidize those which can't
   get their act together ?

   (b) 'Poorer' states/localities are often 'poor'
   because there's not much population. Less pop,
   less poop, less money required to deal with it.

   (c) Money ain't everything ... which is why I
   put 'poorer' in quotes ...

>1b) The pollution from these poorer areas can seep and steep into other
>areas that have already cleaned themselves up - forcing them to spend
>even more money cleaning up someone else's mess. Is that fair?

   Poop generally stays put - unless they literally
   dump it raw into a river somewhere. If they do
   that, treating their downstream neighbors to a
   parade of floaters, then they're doing harm to
   those neighbors and ought to be fined, arrested
   or otherwise have to compensate the injured
   parties. You MAKE it, you PAY for it.

   I don't know of ANY city that literally can't
   afford to process its poop ... the price per
   person would be very low. It's that the local
   pols don't have the cojones to raise the poop
   taxes by a few pennies so the community can
   be responsible for it's own 'output'.

>2) The "Feds" don't dabble in sewer treatment directly anyway. Ever hear
>of "block grants"?

   Nations are often called "commonwealths" for a reason.
   The IDEA is that the collective wealth can be focused
   on trouble-spots or on projects too big for the locals
   to finance themselves.

   However, this idea has become badly abused over the
   years - and extended by our local friends of Marx
   to the notion that wealth should be equalized across
   the board - steal from the 'rich(er)' and give it
   to the 'poor(er)' whether the 'poor(er)' earned or
   deserve it or not.

   I think the common wealth should more often be handled
   like a LOAN rather than a give-away. 'Improvements'
   ought to pay off - enhance productivity/profitibility
   enough so that the 'loan' can be repaid over some span
   of time either by direct payments or through the ability
   to generate increased tax revenue. The only time I can
   see literally giving away the cash is in case of huge
   disasters.

>Take Back America
>Vote Libertarian
>Elect Mike Badnarik
>http://www.badnarik.org/

   If you're any kind of "Libertarian" then you
   ought to agree with MY position on this subject.

 
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Discussion subject changed to ""Criminals" replace Saddam loyalists & foreign fighters" by RCMan
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From: rcman...@excite.com (RCMan)
Date: 9 Aug 2004 09:31:08 -0700
Local: Mon, Aug 9 2004 12:31 pm
Subject: Re: "Criminals" replace Saddam loyalists & foreign fighters

Why can't you tell me why you REALLY oppose the liberation of Iraq?

When you sober up, make an attempt at an answer, okay?

======
RC


 
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Discussion subject changed to "'We Pray the Insurgents Will Achieve Victory'" by George
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From: "George" <spamf...@nospam.forme.tv>
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:49:37 -0500
Local: Mon, Aug 9 2004 12:49 pm
Subject: Re: 'We Pray the Insurgents Will Achieve Victory'

"Johnny Asia" <pope_about_t...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:8b4ec0c2.0408090252.7aa0940f@posting.google.com...
> "George" <spamf...@nospam.forme.tv> wrote in message

<news:cf6r27$kml$0@pita.alt.net>...

> > Victory over America is EXACTLY what you traitors pray for, isn't it?

> You stupid, brainwashed moron, that is a quote by an Iraqi.
> They are fighting for their country. Just like you would if
> invaders came here.

Yeah, but it is what YOU liberals want!

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Discussion subject changed to "DNA Evidence Frees La. Death Row Inmate" by Johnny Asia
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From: pope_about_town at yahoo.com (Johnny Asia)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 02:40:50 GMT
Local: Mon, Aug 9 2004 10:40 pm
Subject: DNA Evidence Frees La. Death Row Inmate
 DNA Evidence Frees La. Death Row Inmate

By JANET McCONNAUGHEY, Associated Press Writer

GRETNA, La. - A man sentenced to death as a teenager was freed Monday
by DNA evidence, and said he had been certain from the beginning that
he would be vindicated.

For more than seven years, Ryan Matthews has said he had nothing to do
with the 1997 robbery and murder of a grocer. He said he knew that
someday he would be freed.

"I always knew it would happen. So it wasn't a surprise to me," he
said after a brief hearing dropping charges against him. "Never give
up hope, no matter how bad it gets."

State District Judge Henry Sullivan dismissed the indictment at the
request of prosecutors, who noted they have a year to "revisit" the
case.

William Sothern, an attorney for The Capital Appeals Project, said he
doubts that will happen. "He's exonerated. Without a doubt," Sothern
said.

Jurors were told that no physical evidence linked Matthews to the
holdup and murder of Tommy Vanhoose. But two witnesses identified him
as the gunman, and a co-defendant, Travis Hayes, told police that he
drove the getaway car after Matthews, then 17, shot Vanhoose.

Ultimately, DNA found in a ski mask that was tossed from the getaway
car was found to match that of Rondell Love, who is serving time for
an unrelated killing. In addition, Matthews' lawyers said, other
inmates have told investigators that Love bragged about killing
Vanhoose.

Emily Bolton, an attorney with the Innocence Project of New Orleans,
said she was confident that Hayes' conviction will also be reversed.
"The only evidence against Travis Hayes is his statement that Ryan
Matthews did it, which DNA proves is false," she said.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=533&e=9&u=/ap/2004080...
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by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw

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Want to know what's REALLY going on in Iraq?
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 Cowboys and Idiots: The Reagan Administration
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http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.html

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Discussion subject changed to "How dumb are Bushies?" by Johnny Asia
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From: pope_about_town at yahoo.com (Johnny Asia)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 03:26:37 GMT
Local: Mon, Aug 9 2004 11:26 pm
Subject: How dumb are Bushies?

The only people in the world who actually believe
that Iraq is "sovereign" are Bushies.

I heard a "news" report about "Iraq and its US allies"
are fighting the Iraqi resistance fighters.

How dumb can you get, to actually believe that?

Allawi is a Big Oil/CIA puppet. Polls show his favorable rating is at
the bottom of the list among Iraqis, even Saddam rates higher.
al Sadr comes in 2nd or 3rd in popularity.

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by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw

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The First Church of Common Sense

Want to know what's REALLY going on in Iraq?
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 Cowboys and Idiots: The Reagan Administration
Ronnies' "Brave freedom fighters" are now Bushs'
"evildoers" who "hate our freedoms".
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.html

The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html


 
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Discussion subject changed to "IAEA thinks Iran uranium traces came from Pakistani equipment" by Johnny Asia
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From: pope_about_town at yahoo.com (Johnny Asia)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:34:31 GMT
Local: Tues, Aug 10 2004 6:34 am
Subject: IAEA thinks Iran uranium traces came from Pakistani equipment
 IAEA thinks Iran uranium traces came from Pakistani equipment: report

Mon Aug 9, 5:35 PM ET  

LONDON (AFP) - UN nuclear inspectors have reached a "tentative
conclusion" that traces of enriched uranium detected in Iran came from
equipment provided by a smuggling network run by Pakistan's disgraced
former nuclear chief scientist.

The traces have been at the heart of an ongoing international dispute
over whether Tehran has reneged on its obligations to inform the
International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) of all enrichment
activities.

"IAEA inspectors have reached a tentative conclusion that the
contamination came from equipment provided by the nuclear smuggling
network headed by Pakistani scientist A.Q. Khan," Jane's Defence
Weekly said, quoting "sources close to the agency".

It said inspectors believe they can confirm that a sample of uranium
enriched to 54 percent, found at one Iranian site, had come from
Pakistani equipment.

"The confirmation was only possible after Islamabad gave the IAEA data
to verify the uranium source and the US provided a simulation of the
Pakistani nuclear programme that matched the account," Jane's said.

A separate contamination sample, of uranium enriched to 36 percent,
derived from Russian equipment that Moscow had supplied to China,
which in turn passed it on to Pakistan as part of a previous nuclear
assistance program, it said.

From Pakistan, it was sold by Khan to Iran, it added

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Want to know what's REALLY going on in Iraq?
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 Cowboys and Idiots: The Reagan Administration
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http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.html

The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
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Discussion subject changed to "Bush runs afoul of Irish-Americans over Iraq contract" by Johnny Asia
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From: pope_about_town at yahoo.com (Johnny Asia)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:37:05 GMT
Local: Tues, Aug 10 2004 6:37 am
Subject: Bush runs afoul of Irish-Americans over Iraq contract
 Bush runs afoul of Irish-Americans over Iraq contract

WASHINGTON (AFP) - US President George W. Bush  has landed in hot
water with Irish-Americans, whose leading lobbying group warned he
could lose Irish Catholic votes in the November election, unless his
administration revokes an Iraq security contract granted to a British
firm.

The Reverend Sean McManus, president of the Irish National Caucus,
said the 293-million-dollar contract granted to Aegis Defence Service,
a London-based security company headed by retired British commando Tim
Spicer, a lieutenant colonel with extensive involvement in operations
in Northern Ireland, "has Irish blood on it" and was an "insult" to
Irish-Americans.

"This could undo any credit you gained from Irish-Americans for your
support of the Irish peace-process," McManus said in a letter to the
president dispatched last month and made available to AFP on Monday.

"US dollars should not subsidize such a person as Lt. Col. Spicer,"
McManus continued, demanding an immediate revocation of the deal. "And
long-suffering Iraq needs him no more than Northern Ireland needed
him."

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The First Church of Common Sense

Want to know what's REALLY going on in Iraq?
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 Cowboys and Idiots: The Reagan Administration
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http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.html

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Discussion subject changed to "IAEA thinks Iran uranium traces came from Pakistani equipment" by Tempest
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From: mordacpreven...@hotmail.com (Tempest)
Date: 10 Aug 2004 07:23:21 -0700
Local: Tues, Aug 10 2004 10:23 am
Subject: Re: IAEA thinks Iran uranium traces came from Pakistani equipment
pope_about_town at yahoo.com (Johnny Asia) wrote in message <news:4118a480.51288706@news.mybizz.net>...

> IAEA thinks Iran uranium traces came from Pakistani equipment: report

> Mon Aug 9, 5:35 PM ET  

> LONDON (AFP) - UN nuclear inspectors have reached a "tentative
> conclusion" that traces of enriched uranium detected in Iran came from
> equipment provided by a smuggling network run by Pakistan's disgraced
> former nuclear chief scientist.

Makes sense.

North Korea's nuclear material also came from Pakistan.

And wasn't there evidence the smuggling network was run out of
Pakistan's intelligence service?


 
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Discussion subject changed to "Bush runs afoul of Irish-Americans over Iraq contract" by John H. McCloskey
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From: elchipodesili...@aol.com2600 (John H. McCloskey)
Date: 10 Aug 2004 14:51:15 GMT
Local: Tues, Aug 10 2004 10:51 am
Subject: Re: Bush runs afoul of Irish-Americans over Iraq contract

>Subject: Bush runs afoul of Irish-Americans over Iraq contract

In America, a lot of us Paddies are Prods, though, or anyway not quite as
_professionally_ Irish as the Rev. McManus is.  Mr. Rove and his Boy need not
lose any beauty sleep over Aegis Defence Service.

Happy days.
  --JHM


 
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Discussion subject changed to "Nuclear Tests Vindicate Iran" by Johnny Asia
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From: pope_about_town at yahoo.com (Johnny Asia)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:12:20 GMT
Local: Tues, Aug 10 2004 2:12 pm
Subject: Nuclear Tests Vindicate Iran
Nuclear Tests Vindicate Iran So Far

By GEORGE JAHN, Associated Press Writer

VIENNA, Austria - New findings by the U.N. atomic agency appear to
strengthen Iran's claim it has not enriched uranium domestically and
weaken U.S. arguments that the country is hiding a nuclear weapons
program, diplomats said Tuesday.  

The diplomats, who are familiar with Iran's nuclear dossier, told The
Associated Press that the International Atomic Energy Agency has
established that at least some enriched particles found in Iran
originated in Pakistan.

The origin of hundreds of other samples has not been established.
Still, the findings bolsters Tehran's assertion that all such traces
were inadvertently imported on "contaminated" equipment it bought on
the black market.

The findings also could hurt the case being built by the United States
and its allies, which accuse Iran of past covert enrichment in efforts
toward making nuclear weapons.

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Want to know what's REALLY going on in Iraq?
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 Cowboys and Idiots: The Reagan Administration
Ronnies' "Brave freedom fighters" are now Bushs'
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http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.html

The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
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From: "Arizona Bushwhacker" <azbushwhatc...@cox.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:22:13 -0700
Local: Tues, Aug 10 2004 2:22 pm
Subject: Re: Nuclear Tests Vindicate Iran

<pope_about_town at yahoo.com (Johnny Asia)> wrote in message
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> Nuclear Tests Vindicate Iran So Far

> By GEORGE JAHN, Associated Press Writer

> VIENNA, Austria - New findings by the U.N. atomic agency appear to
> strengthen Iran's claim it has not enriched uranium domestically and
> weaken U.S. arguments that the country is hiding a nuclear weapons
> program, diplomats said Tuesday.

You don't think that will stop Bush do you???

Bush has his heart set on sending America into Iran next.
And he is willing to sacrifice every last one of you poor
bastards, just so long as his kids get to stay home where
it's nice and safe!  After all, his kids are vital to his version
of America.  You are far less important to America than
Iranian oil.  Just ask Bush, he will tell you the same thing!


 
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Discussion subject changed to "A Troubling Return for Iraq Vets" by Johnny Asia
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From: pope_about_town at yahoo.com (Johnny Asia)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:16:54 GMT
Local: Wed, Aug 11 2004 2:16 pm
Subject: A Troubling Return for Iraq Vets
A Troubling Return for Iraq Vets

By Holly VanScoy
HealthDay Reporter

WEDNESDAY, Aug. 11 (HealthDayNews) -- It has been three decades since
American soldiers endured the shock of sustained ground combat in
Vietnam and the emotional scars that kind of war inflicts.

But mental health professionals coast to coast are bracing for a new
wave of soldiers overwhelmed by the unique stresses of war, as troops
start to return from Iraq (news - web sites).

"Returning soldiers often feel they have been destroyed by their
exposure to combat," said Dr. Alison Sheridan, a former Army
psychiatrist now in private practice in Concord, Mass.

"They've seen mutilated bodies, their close friends have been killed
or maimed. They've had experiences they can't share with their family
members or close friends, some of which may be shameful to the soldier
because they felt afraid or experienced traumas that continue to
terrorize them," she added.

Sheridan expects that many U.S. service personnel returning from Iraq
and Afghanistan (news - web sites) will experience a range of problems
that their predecessors who fought in the Vietnam know all too well.

Indeed, there are already signs of such struggles.

A just-released military survey of paratroopers who were part of the
Iraq invasion found that 17.4 percent of the soldiers have
post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) symptoms.

The survey of 1,300 soldiers of the 82nd Airborne Division's 2nd
Brigade was taken three months after they returned to Fort Bragg,
N.C., after a year in Iraq, according to a Fayetteville Observer
report.

"The numbers are looking more and more like Vietnam," Capt. Jill
Breitbach, chief of psychology services for the 82nd, told the
newspaper. A national survey of Vietnam veterans in 1988 determined
that about 15 percent had PTSD at the time, according to wire reports.

And they are also in line with research in a recent issue of the New
England Journal of Medicine (news - web sites) that found soldiers
returning home from Iraq and Afghanistan are burdened with a range of
mental health problems.

Some 15.6 percent to 17.1 percent of those who had been in Iraq met
the screening criteria for major depression, generalized anxiety or
PTSD, compared to 11.2 percent who returned from Afghanistan and 9.3
percent who had not yet been deployed to Iraq, the researchers found.

The research, which included interviews with approximately 6,200
soldiers, is significant for several reasons, including how early some
of the information-gathering is taking place.

"They are actually getting information while people are still in the
theater of operations," said Dr. Matthew Friedman, executive director
of the Department of Veterans Affairs (news - web sites)' National
Center for PTSD, a professor at Dartmouth Medical School, and author
of an editorial that accompanied the study.

In addition, Friedman said, the researchers have obtained
"predeployment" data, giving them something to compare post-combat
figures to.

"What's important about getting this data is that we can actually
gauge how much of the reported psychiatric symptoms can be pinpointed
as resulting from deployment to Iraq or Afghanistan," Friedman said.
After the Persian Gulf War (news - web sites) of 1990-91, it was
impossible to tell how many of the unexplained medical problems
cropped up during combat because there was no baseline, he added.

But equally worrisome, the researchers found, was that only 38 percent
to 45 percent of service personnel who met the criteria for a mental
disorder expressed interest in receiving help, and only 23 percent to
40 percent of those people sought professional help.

"The most disturbing thing, in my opinion, is the stigma, and people
who are most severely affected are the ones least likely to seek
treatment," Friedman said.

"We can help them," he added. "We can help them right away."

Soldiers returning to stateside military posts or to their civilian
lives often experience many or all of the symptoms of PTSD, including
intense, unspecific anxiety; sleep disturbances; jumpiness;
flashbacks; and, under some conditions, states of profound
disorientation or confusion. Major depression is a common
complication, too.

Karl D. LaRowe is a clinical social worker and trainer with PESI
HealthCare in Eau Claire, Wisc. "Men and women in combat face intense
pressures because they can't get away from the need to stay constantly
alert," he explained. "They have to be constantly prepared to react to
dangerous, deadly events."

"This state of perpetual watchfulness releases adrenaline that preps
the body to make a 'fight-or-flight' response. Constant exposure to
adrenaline wires the body, which stimulates the brain, which in turn
ups the adrenalin load, creating a hormonal short circuit. The result
is a state of highly alert exhaustion."

LaRowe says it's common for soldiers coming home to remain hyper
vigilant because their nervous systems have been physically altered by
war.

"Returning soldiers are wired and tired," he said. "And it's not only
the soldiers, but the members of their families -- spouses, children,
parents -- and close friends who are likely to be affected."

Sheridan said people particularly close to soldiers before they left
for Iraq may tend to bear the brunt of the transition.

"In casual encounters with acquaintances or strangers, men and women
who have recently served in a war zone usually don't show evidence of
the stresses they may be experiencing," she said. "It's in the
intimate relationships where the symptoms and problems come out, often
exacerbated by feeling they can no longer talk about feelings and
emotional issues with the persons closest to them."

Sheridan and LaRowe agreed that many returning soldiers experiencing
PTSD tend to "self-medicate" using alcohol or other drugs. This can
extend and complicate the recovery from war-related emotional trauma.

And that recovery can take a long time -- and may never completely
arrive, according to Sheridan.

"Peer group support can be very useful for men and women who have been
traumatized by their military experiences," she explained. "Such
support is often much more available and accessible to individuals who
return to military bases in military communities, where there may well
be hundreds of people to whom they can talk about their emotional and
social circumstances."

"It's more difficult for the activated reservist who returns to his
home, family and community and loses contact with others who have been
exposed to the realities of daily combat and have experienced the
death, destruction and chaos of war," Sheridan added.

More information

The National Center for PTSD has more on the war in Iraq.
http://www.ncptsd.org/topics/war.html
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:06:40 GMT
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Subject: Saddam gave up all Iraqi WMD after 1991 Gulf War
 Saddam gave up all Iraqi WMD after 1991 Gulf War, says former nuclear
chief

LONDON (AFP) - Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) gave up all of Iraq
(news - web sites)'s weapons of mass destruction in the wake of the
1991 Gulf War (news - web sites), the scientist who headed his nuclear
programme, Jaffar Dhia Jaffar, said in a BBC interview.

"There was no capability. There was no chemical or biological or any
what are called weapons of mass destruction," said Jaffar in what BBC
television called his first-ever broadcast interview.

Speaking in Paris, where he now lives, Jaffar -- who ran Saddam's
nuclear programme for 25 years -- said there was "no development" of
chemical, biological or nuclear weapons "at any time after 1991".

He said he knew that for a fact "because I am in touch with the people
concerned".

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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:00:29 GMT
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Subject: Thousands of Iraqis Protest US Slaughter
  As news of the offensive filtered in, thousands of Shi'ites took to
the streets in Basra and a Baghdad district to protest.

"Long live Sadr, America and Allawi are infidels," thousands of
protesters in Basra chanted.

A similar protest took place in Baghdad's Shi'ite neighborhood of
Kadhimiyah.

"Allawi is the enemy of God," they chanted.

The demonstrations follow big protests in the streets of Nassiriya and
several other cities on Wednesday.

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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:30:06 GMT
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Subject: Proof- Bushies = Serb nationalists

A Serbian student in Australia:

"If you are a Serb, you go to church, and a person who doesn't go to
church is by definition not a Serb. They are a Moslem, or one of those
American sensitive new-age faggot types, or some other form of low
life."

"Is Christianity a Confidence Trick?" Australian Union of Students
hate web site, at: http://www.students.org.au/Christianity/

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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:41:22 GMT
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Subject: Mother Earth Takes Aim at Central Command

  All residents of MacDill Air Force Base on Tampa Bay have been
ordered to evacuate, and only essential personnel will remain,
spokeswoman Lt. Erin Dorrance said. MacDill is home to U.S. Central
Command, the nerve center of the war in Iraq, and the Special
Operations Command.

This is Florida's biggest evacuation request since 1999

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Iraqi Shiites Angry at Fighting in Najaf

By MARIAM FAM, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqi Shiites expressed anger Thursday at a major
U.S.-led assault on a rebel militia in the holy city of Najaf, warning
the violence could spread to other parts of the country and damage the
political process.  

Fighters loyal to rebel cleric Muqtada al-Sadr have been holed up in
and around the Imam Ali shrine, which holds the remains of Ali, the
most exalted Shia saint and the son-in-law and cousin of Islam's
prophet Muhammad. Damage to the shrine could anger Shiites and Muslims
worldwide.

"This will lead to revenge for the holy sites and for those killed,"
said Salama al-Khafaji, a former member of the disbanded Governing
Council.

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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:58:49 GMT
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Subject: Poll Gives Kerry 6-Point Lead Over Bush in Florida
 Poll Gives Kerry 6-Point Lead Over Bush in Florida

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (Reuters) - Democrat John Kerry  leads President
Bush  47 percent to 41 percent among registered voters in Florida,
according to a poll released on Thursday that showed independent Ralph
Nader with 4 percent.

In a two-way race, Kerry leads Bush 49 percent to 42 percent,
according to the poll of 1,092 registered Florida voters conducted
last week by the Connecticut-based Quinnipiac University Polling
Institute. The poll's error margin was three percentage points.

Among independent voters in the key battleground state, 51 percent
supported Kerry while 34 percent said they would vote for Bush and 12
percent were undecided.

A similar poll taken in late June before the Democratic convention
showed Bush and Kerry tied at 43 percent among registered voters, with
Kerry then holding a 12-point lead over Bush among independent voters.

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:10:38 GMT
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Subject: Bush Tax Cuts Heavily Favor Rich, CBO Says
Bush Tax Cuts Heavily Favor Rich, CBO Says -Reports

Fri Aug 13, 3:02 AM ET  

NEW YORK (Reuters) - President Bush (news - web sites)'s tax cuts have
transferred the federal tax burden from the richest Americans to
middle-class families, with one-third of them benefiting people with
the top 1 percent of income, according to a government report cited in
newspapers on Friday.

The Congressional Budget Office  report, to be released Friday, is
likely to fuel the debate over the cuts between Bush and his
Democratic challenger in November, John Kerry.

The report said the top 1 percent, with incomes averaging $1.2 million
per year, will receive an average $78,460 tax cut this year, and have
seen their share of the total tax burden fall roughly 2 percentage
points to 20.1 percent, according to The New York Times.

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:14:11 GMT
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Subject: Protests Erupt in Five Iraqi Cities, Najaf officials quit in protest
Protests Erupt in Five Iraqi Cities Over Najaf

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Protests against the U.S.-led military campaign in
the sacred Shi'ite Muslim city of Najaf broke out in five Iraqi cities
on Friday, with some demonstrators calling for interim Prime Minister
Iyad Allawi to step down.

In one of the biggest protests, enraged Iraqis in the southern town of
Diwaniya swarmed over the local office of his political party, ripping
down signs and throwing rocks.

Najaf officials quit in protest

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Friday 13 August 2004, 0:45 Makka Time, 21:45 GMT  

Several Iraqi officials working within the interim government have
resigned in protest of the US-led assault on Najaf and Kut.

Sixteen of Najaf's 30-member provincial council resigned in protest at
the US-led assault on the Najaf as fighting between the al-Mahdi Army
loyal to Muqtada al-Sadr and US occupation forces entered its eighth
day.

"We have decided to resign due to what has befallen Najaf and all of
Iraq from the hasty US invasion and bombardment of Najaf," the council
said in a statement to the press.

The council's resignations came several hours after the deputy
governor of Najaf resigned in protest against the US offensive on the
city.

"I resign from my post denouncing all the US terrorist operations that
they are doing against this holy city," Jawdat Kadam Najim
al-Kuraishi, deputy governor of Najaf, said on Thursday morning.

On Thursday evening, the director of tribal affairs at the Iraqi
Interior ministry announced his resignation through Aljazeera and said
he could no longer work with the interim government in good faith
given the "carnage and barbaric aggression of the US-led forces in
Najaf".

"I am a part of this nation, I am a part of these people. My fellow
tribesmen are now fighting in Najaf and Sadr city," said Major-General
Marid Abd al-Hasan.

Basra threat

Meanwhile, Basra's deputy governor for administrative affairs, Hajj
Salam Awdeh al-Maliky, warned that he may openly join al-Sadr's fight
if his offer to send 1000 Iraqi police, special security and national
guardsmen to Najaf is refused by the interim government of Prime
Minister Iyad Allawi.

Some national guardsmen in Basra had even said they would not hesitate
to join al-Sadr's militia if al-Maliky's offer was rejected.

 Al-Maliky had warned that Basra would turn into a battlefield if

US occupation forces stormed the inner sanctum of Najaf.

"Basra will become another Najaf," he said.

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:58:05 GMT
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Subject: Thousands of Iraqis go to Najaf to Support Sadr

 Thousands descend on Najaf, British journalist abducted

NAJAF, Iraq (AFP) - Thousands of Iraqis descended on Najaf after
Moqtada Sadr urged his Shiite militia to fight on, while US and Iraqi
forces closed in on his stronghold and a British journalist was
abducted in the south.  

Around 2,000 demonstrators marched under the blazing sun from Najaf's
twin city of Kufa after Friday prayers, straight through the US and
Iraqi lines to the revered Imam Ali mausoleum.

Showered with sweets and water, they embraced members of Sadr's Mehdi
Army who have battled US-led forces for nine days in this beseiged
pilgrimage city and shouted their support for the cleric and his
fighters.

"All of us are soldiers of Moqtada Sadr. With our blood and our soul,
we serve you Ali" chanted demonstrators, none of them carrying
weapons.

Militiamen refused 5,000 dinar notes being handed out by one man,
waving him off. "We are mujahedeen," or holy fighters, they said, as
he desperately tried to shove the money in their pockets.

In Baghdad, a Sadr spokesman urged thousands more to march the 160
kilometres (100 miles) to Najaf, as another 1,000 began a similar walk
from the holy city of Karbala.

"As we gather here, outside the headquarters of the agent of the
occupation who have brought nothing but death and destruction to this
country, we order you to march to Najaf on foot," Sayed Hazem al-Araji
told worshippers gathered outside the Green Zone, which houses the US
embassy and some government offices.

In Karbala, Sadr representative Sheikh Abdulrazaq al-Nadawi told the
faithful: "We're going to Najaf to break the seige on our brothers".

Mass protests were also held in Tallafar in the north and Kut al-Hayy
in the south to denounce the caretaker government, while in Basra
another Sadr aide pressed Iraqi police and national guardsmen to join
the Mehdi Army.

In the Sunni Muslim bastion of Fallujah, thousands of people called
for holy war.

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:53:19 GMT
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Subject: Cheney, on "sensitivity" "we must be sensitive...."
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THE DAILY MIS-LEAD

< http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1274216&l=50390 >
===============================
CHENEY CALLS THE KETTLE BLACK

Yesterday, Vice President Dick Cheney lashed out at Sen. John Kerry
(D-MA) for suggesting that America needs to fight "a more effective,
more thoughtful, more strategic, more proactive, more sensitive war on
terror."[1] Cheney said, "America has been in too many wars for any of
our wishes, but not a one of them was won by being sensitive."[2]
Cheney neglected to mention that President Bush and other top
administration officials - including Cheney himself - have publicly
called for "sensitive" use of American military power. Here is a
selection:

On 3/4/01, at the christening of the U.S.S. Ronald Reagan, President
Bush said, "because America is powerful, we must be sensitive about
expressing our power and influence."[3]

On 1/7/03, Gen. Richard Myers, the chairman of the president's Joint
Chiefs of Staff, said that the administration asks "our troops to go
out there and be, on the one hand, very sensitive to cultural issues,
on the other hand, be ready to respond in self-defense to a very
ticklish situation."[4]

On 4/13/03, Cheney said, "We recognize that the presence of U.S.
forces can in some cases present a burden on the local community.
We're not insensitive to that. We work almost on a continual basis
with the local officials to remove points of friction and reduce the
extent to which problems arise in terms of those relationships."[5]

Sources:

1. "Cheney blasts Kerry for 'sensitive' remark," Chicago Sun-Times,
08/13/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1274216&l=50391.
2. Ibid.
3. "Remarks by the President at Christening Ceremony for the USS
Ronald Reagan," The White House, 03/04/01,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1274216&l=50392.
4. "DoD News Briefing - Secretary Rumsfeld and Gen. Myers," U.S.
Department of Defense, 01/07/03,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1274216&l=50393.
5. "Remarks by the Vice President at the Washington Post-Yomiuri
Shimbun Symposium," The White House, 04/13/04,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1274216&l=50394.

Visit www.Misleader.org for more about Bush Administration distortion.
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by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw

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From: "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfg...@infectedmail.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:22:59 -0700
Local: Fri, Aug 13 2004 3:22 pm
Subject: Re: Cheney, on "sensitivity" "we must be sensitive...."
Looks like Cheney should have checked with his puppet before spouting off.

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Discussion subject changed to "Sadr Demands US/CIA Puppet Allawi Resign" by Johnny Asia
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From: pope_about_town at yahoo.com (Johnny Asia)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:06:48 GMT
Local: Fri, Aug 13 2004 4:06 pm
Subject: Sadr Demands US/CIA Puppet Allawi Resign
 Sadr Calls on Iraqi Govt to Quit, Vows to Fight On

NAJAF, Iraq (Reuters) - Radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr Friday urged
Iraq's "dictatorial" interim government to resign and said he and his
militia would remain in the holy city of Najaf until death or victory,
his spokesman said.    

The spokesman quoted Sadr as telling supporters at Imam Ali Mosque: "I
advise the dictatorial, agent government to resign ... the whole Iraqi
people demands the resignation of the government ... they replaced
Saddam with a government worse than him."

"I will not leave this holy city," the spokesman quoted Sadr as
telling supporters who chanted "No, no to America." "We will remain
here defending the holy shrines till victory or martyrdom."

 Thousands descend on Najaf to Support Sadr

NAJAF, Iraq (AFP) - Thousands of Iraqis descended on Najaf after
Moqtada Sadr urged his Shiite militia to fight on, while US and Iraqi
forces closed in on his stronghold and a British journalist was
abducted in the south.  

Around 2,000 demonstrators marched under the blazing sun from Najaf's
twin city of Kufa after Friday prayers, straight through the US and
Iraqi lines to the revered Imam Ali mausoleum.

Showered with sweets and water, they embraced members of Sadr's Mehdi
Army who have battled US-led forces for nine days in this beseiged
pilgrimage city and shouted their support for the cleric and his
fighters.

"All of us are soldiers of Moqtada Sadr. With our blood and our soul,
we serve you Ali" chanted demonstrators, none of them carrying
weapons.

Militiamen refused 5,000 dinar notes being handed out by one man,
waving him off. "We are mujahedeen," or holy fighters, they said, as
he desperately tried to shove the money in their pockets.

In Baghdad, a Sadr spokesman urged thousands more to march the 160
kilometres (100 miles) to Najaf, as another 1,000 began a similar walk
from the holy city of Karbala.

"As we gather here, outside the headquarters of the agent of the
occupation who have brought nothing but death and destruction to this
country, we order you to march to Najaf on foot," Sayed Hazem al-Araji
told worshippers gathered outside the Green Zone, which houses the US
embassy and some government offices.

In Karbala, Sadr representative Sheikh Abdulrazaq al-Nadawi told the
faithful: "We're going to Najaf to break the seige on our brothers".

Mass protests were also held in Tallafar in the north and Kut al-Hayy
in the south to denounce the caretaker government, while in Basra
another Sadr aide pressed Iraqi police and national guardsmen to join
the Mehdi Army.

In the Sunni Muslim bastion of Fallujah, thousands of people called
for holy war.
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Discussion subject changed to "Cheney, on "sensitivity" "we must be sensitive...."" by Craig Wiesner
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From: cr...@wkmn.com (Craig Wiesner)
Date: 13 Aug 2004 14:50:00 -0700
Subject: Re: Cheney, on "sensitivity" "we must be sensitive...."
I always appreciate such clear and detailed references when one
catches the Bush team being hypocritical. What is their alternative to
being "sensitive" anyway? I guess we know, and perhaps can call it
"blundering" or "blustering" or "bullying" or something along those
lines.

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