!OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE, FINAL REFUGE OF THE INCOMPETENT

[Hanson]

OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE IS FINAL REFUGE
OF THE INCOMPETENT

June 11, 1996

Some interesting things are happening lately. More
than thirty black churches have been intentionally set
ablaze in the U.S. in the last year and a half. Here in
the newsgroups, obscenity and threats seem to be the
current "official" response of the right wing. Connection? I
think so.
There is a saying that "violence is the final refuge of
the incompetent." In America, that incompetency is best
exemplified by the conservative movement's failure to
promote its ideals and goals in the minds of the
American Public since the elections in 1994. Newt
Gingrich's loose canon, shoot from the hip style led to
remarks like the Liberal Establishment being responsible for
the Susan Smith murders and the blatant lie concerning
babies in dumpsters in the D.C. area. These (rightly or
wrongly) became the kind of responses the American
public learned to perceive as representative of the
conservative movement. The bungling over the
governmental shutdown and the party's headstrong pursuit
of political courses that were diametrically opposed to the
public viewpoint made it clear, long before William Kristol's
memo to the RNC, that the party would not be able to stay
in power on the strength of it's philosophical position on the
issues.
The fact that the ultra-conservative message is
being rejected by the public has not been lost on the
followers any more than on their leaders. Though the
superficial message is still that of chest-beating and cries of
"liberalism is dead," it does not take a political analyst to
note the increase in the stridency index among the
conservative faithful. In Washington, the knowledge of
impending doom has lead to shameful displays of personal
crabbiness and aggression such as that put on by Rep.
Solomon toward Rep. Kennedy during the Assault
Weapons Ban repeal debate in the House. Here in the
newsgroups, many posters who were once at least semi-coherent have
become never-ending sources of obscenity
and threats, while many of the newer right-wing posters
progressively turn to pseudonyms and false addresses to
cover a response that increasingly consists of e-mail bombs
and physical threats.

About this situation, there is good news and bad
news. From the progressive standpoint, the good news is
that the conservative revolution of 1994 is over. The right-wing's
obsession with the destruction of Bill Clinton and
their whole-sale attempt to disassemble the government, the
constitution and widely popular programs has convinced
the public that if less government was a good idea,
Republican government is a bad idea and that the GOP
shouldn't be in charge of any government, large or small.
Although, President Bill Clinton may yet prove a casualty of
Republican vengeance, the GOP's sacrifice of
representative accountability to the public for that
vengeance has already cost it the future.
If the good news is that the revolution is over, the
bad news is...the right-wing knows it. Aggression has
historically been the undertone of the right wing response
from the earliest days of the Republic, and we are now
beginning to see an exaggeration of that response as the
true fate of the GOP becomes more and more apparent
with each passing week. The obscenity, the threats, these
are all examples of a kind of terrorism born of
exasperation, the kind of exasperation that only the
hopeless can feel.
It is that same kind of hopelessness, that same kind
of fear that leads to acts such as the burning of Black
Churches. Make no mistake...these are acts of terrorism.
As one reporter put it, "such acts are designed to put
people on notice that their lives can be threatened." Yes,
they are racist and yes, whites are probably responsible,
and yes, white racism has played and continues to play a
large part in what currently passes for the right wing in
America. But on a simpler level, such acts are the work of
individuals who have lost real power and must resort to the
next best thing...intimidation.
I suspect that we can expect more of the same in
the near future. The right wing cannot be expected to go
"gently into that good night" Those who disagree with the
conservative viewpoint can expect the response to become
progressively more aggressive, and it is possible that for
some the price of dissent may be high.
Nevertheless, it is important to remember what true
power really is. Beyond the machinations of the moment
and the temptation to fear those with the loudest voices or
the biggest clubs, the only real power is the power of ideas.
The conservative cause has, once again, failed to present a
coherent idea other than a hatred of what they conceive of
as "liberalism." They have failed to present an image of the
future that is anything other than the wholesale denial of
reality that is the essence of the reactionary creed. Through
all of this, the ideals of liberalism and progressivism have
remained intact.
We must remain both vocal and vigilant through
these times. The burning of black churches must not be
allowed to pass without our taking a stand against the act
and --- more importantly --- the attitude behind the act.
The mouthing of obscenities against the principles of a
democratic government must not be allowed to go
unremarked, though they may at times seem to be almost
unremarkable. While the GOP attempts to make
desecrating the flag an issue, we need to be consistent in
reminding them that the desecration of the American
political system and its institutions and its government is also
an issue.
Above all, we must be brave. Violence and
obscenity are the final refuge of the incompetent and the
cowardly. Those who find it convenient to aim threats and
insults from behind falsified names and addresses are the
real cowards in this fight, regardless of the fear they might
occasionally inspire. For the moment they must be faced
up to for what they are, a menace and a possible personal
danger to those who have nothing to hide. In the end, they
will go the way of all of history's thugs. In the end, political
terrorists are as powerless as the ideas they represent.

RH

[William R. Discipio Jr]

Typical of the manipulation and demagogory the radical left wing engages
in... Not suprising to see coming from DNC hack 'Richard Hanson.'
Pshychopolitics rules, eh Steffie?

Hanson (rha...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE IS FINAL REFUGE
: OF THE INCOMPETENT

: June 11, 1996

: Some interesting things are happening lately. More
: than thirty black churches have been intentionally set
: ablaze in the U.S. in the last year and a half. Here in
: the newsgroups, obscenity and threats seem to be the
: current "official" response of the right wing. Connection? I
: think so.

What "richard" won't point out as that he and his buddies Jim Kennemur,
Rack Jite, Dan Thornsberry, et al spew the most vile anti-religion
bigotry and anti-conservative black bigory almost daily.

: There is a saying that "violence is the final refuge of

<psychopolitics from paid political hack 'Richard Hanson' deleted>

: RH

--
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Plus Jim [Kennemur] does not call all blacks he disagrees with house
niggers Jim [Kennemur] calls house niggers that he disagrees with house
niggers. Big difference Dippy." -- Shawn Smith <ssh...@ccsi.com>

[Reynmeistr]

Hypocrite Hanson can't bring himself to admit that the KKK started out
filled with disgruntled Demagogic Party members (former Confederates angry
at Republican successes freeing the slaves. Hanson can't admit that it's
stayed this way... ever since--- right thru George Democrat Wallace--- all
the hate has come from the Demagogic Party... Party of slavery, Jim Crow,
church burnings and the KKK.

[Wayne Mann]

disc...@crl.com (William R. Discipio Jr) wrote:

>Typical of the manipulation and demagogory the radical left wing engages
>in... Not suprising to see coming from DNC hack 'Richard Hanson.'
>Pshychopolitics rules, eh Steffie?

>Hanson (rha...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE IS FINAL REFUGE
>: OF THE INCOMPETENT

>: June 11, 1996

>: Some interesting things are happening lately. More
>: than thirty black churches have been intentionally set
>: ablaze in the U.S. in the last year and a half. Here in
>: the newsgroups, obscenity and threats seem to be the
>: current "official" response of the right wing. Connection? I
>: think so.

>What "richard" won't point out as that he and his buddies Jim Kennemur,

>Rack Jite, Dan Thornsberry, et al spew the most vile anti-religion
>bigotry and anti-conservative black bigory almost daily.

>: There is a saying that "violence is the final refuge of

><psychopolitics from paid political hack 'Richard Hanson' deleted>

>: RH

>--
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Plus Jim [Kennemur] does not call all blacks he disagrees with house
>niggers Jim [Kennemur] calls house niggers that he disagrees with house
>niggers. Big difference Dippy." -- Shawn Smith <ssh...@ccsi.com>

Plus YOU just went ahead and crossposted the thread to all
of these newsgroups. WHY?

alt.fan.newt-gingrich,
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
alt.fan.dan-quayle,
talk.politics.misc,
alt.activism,
alt.politics.democrats.d,
alt.dear.whitehouse

We here on a.c-e.c.w. have enough trouble with people
crossposting and posting off-subjects. So Hanson posts an
off-subject post and then you crosspost it to all of these
groups so that this NG will get flooded with all of the
off-subject responses. People wonder why I get so pissed
off about all of the crossposting and responding to asses
like Hanson, Tberry, et al. If people like you would quit
this BS and people would quit responding to agitators this
could be a good newsgroup again. It sure would help to get
that way if I had a little cooperation out of other people
as well. Far too many are ready to set back and pretend
everything is OK or in a few cases criticize me for
objecting. WHY did you do this?

\\/ayne //\ann

The man for whom the Cleveland Indians are named
Louis Sockalexis, the first Native American to play
major league baseball, played for Cleveland in 1897-99.
When he died in 1913, the team was re-named the
Indians, in Tribute to Louis Sockalexis.

[Hanson]

wdm...@ix.netcom.com (Wayne Mann) wrote:

>rha...@ix.netcom.com (Hanson) wrote:
>
>>OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE IS FINAL REFUGE
>>OF THE INCOMPETENT
>
>
>

> Please don't repond to this thread unless you...

[Hanson]

wdm...@ix.netcom.com (Wayne Mann) wrote:

>rha...@ix.netcom.com (Hanson) wrote:
>
>>OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE IS FINAL REFUGE
>>OF THE INCOMPETENT
>
>
>

> Please don't repond to this thread unless you trim the
>headers. Thank you.

>
>alt.fan.newt-gingrich,
>alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
>alt.fan.dan-quayle,
>talk.politics.misc,
>alt.activism,
>alt.politics.democrats.d,
>alt.dear.whitehouse
>

> Headers trimmed down to ONE, why doesn't everyone.

[Hanson]

wdm...@ix.netcom.com (Wayne Mann) wrote:

>disc...@crl.com (William R. Discipio Jr) wrote:
>
>>Typical of the manipulation and demagogory the radical left wing engages
>>in... Not suprising to see coming from DNC hack 'Richard Hanson.'
>>Pshychopolitics rules, eh Steffie?
>
>>Hanson (rha...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

>>: OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE IS FINAL REFUGE

>>: OF THE INCOMPETENT
>
>>: June 11, 1996
>
>>: Some interesting things are happening lately. More
>>: than thirty black churches have been intentionally set
>>: ablaze in the U.S. in the last year and a half. Here in
>>: the newsgroups, obscenity and threats seem to be the
>>: current "official" response of the right wing. Connection? I
>>: think so.
>

>>What "richard" won't point out as that he and his buddies Jim Kennemur,
>>Rack Jite, Dan Thornsberry, et al spew the most vile anti-religion
>>bigotry and anti-conservative black bigory almost daily.
>
>
>
>>: There is a saying that "violence is the final refuge of
>
>><psychopolitics from paid political hack 'Richard Hanson' deleted>
>
>>: RH
>
>>--
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>"Plus Jim [Kennemur] does not call all blacks he disagrees with house
>>niggers Jim [Kennemur] calls house niggers that he disagrees with house
>>niggers. Big difference Dippy." -- Shawn Smith <ssh...@ccsi.com>
>
>
> Plus YOU just went ahead and crossposted the thread to all
>of these newsgroups. WHY?
>

>alt.fan.newt-gingrich,
>alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
>alt.fan.dan-quayle,
>talk.politics.misc,
>alt.activism,
>alt.politics.democrats.d,
>alt.dear.whitehouse
>

> We here on a.c-e.c.w. have enough trouble with people
>crossposting and posting off-subjects.

Not to mention people LYING.

You've accused me of threatening you, Wayne...

Where's the citation?

Where's the quote?

Where's your retraction?

Cough it up, you nauseating little liar

RH

[Hanson]

wdm...@ix.netcom.com (Wayne Mann) wrote:

>disc...@crl.com (William R. Discipio Jr) wrote:
>
>>Typical of the manipulation and demagogory the radical left wing engages
>>in... Not suprising to see coming from DNC hack 'Richard Hanson.'
>>Pshychopolitics rules, eh Steffie?
>
>>Hanson (rha...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

>>: OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE IS FINAL REFUGE

>>: OF THE INCOMPETENT
>
>>: June 11, 1996
>
>>: Some interesting things are happening lately. More
>>: than thirty black churches have been intentionally set
>>: ablaze in the U.S. in the last year and a half. Here in
>>: the newsgroups, obscenity and threats seem to be the
>>: current "official" response of the right wing. Connection? I
>>: think so.
>

>>What "richard" won't point out as that he and his buddies Jim Kennemur,
>>Rack Jite, Dan Thornsberry, et al spew the most vile anti-religion
>>bigotry and anti-conservative black bigory almost daily.
>
>
>
>>: There is a saying that "violence is the final refuge of
>
>><psychopolitics from paid political hack 'Richard Hanson' deleted>
>
>>: RH
>
>>--
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>"Plus Jim [Kennemur] does not call all blacks he disagrees with house
>>niggers Jim [Kennemur] calls house niggers that he disagrees with house
>>niggers. Big difference Dippy." -- Shawn Smith <ssh...@ccsi.com>
>
>
> Plus YOU just went ahead and crossposted the thread to all
>of these newsgroups. WHY?
>
>alt.fan.newt-gingrich,
>alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
>alt.fan.dan-quayle,
>talk.politics.misc,
>alt.activism,
>alt.politics.democrats.d,
>alt.dear.whitehouse
>
> We here on a.c-e.c.w. have enough trouble with people

>crossposting and posting off-subjects. So Hanson posts an
>off-subject post and then you crosspost it to all of these
>groups so that this NG will get flooded with all of the
>off-subject responses. People wonder why I get so pissed
>off about all of the crossposting and responding to asses
>like Hanson, Tberry, et al. If people like you would quit
>this BS and people would quit responding to agitators this
>could be a good newsgroup again. It sure would help to get
>that way if I had a little cooperation out of other people
>as well. Far too many are ready to set back and pretend
>everything is OK or in a few cases criticize me for
>objecting. WHY did you do this?
>
>
>
>

[Wayne Mann]

rha...@ix.netcom.com (Hanson) wrote:

>OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE IS FINAL REFUGE
>OF THE INCOMPETENT

Please don't repond to this thread unless you trim the
headers. Thank you.

alt.fan.newt-gingrich,

alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
alt.fan.dan-quayle,
talk.politics.misc,
alt.activism,
alt.politics.democrats.d,
alt.dear.whitehouse

Headers trimmed down to ONE, why doesn't everyone.

\\/ayne //\ann

[Wayne Mann]

reynm...@aol.com (Reynmeistr) wrote:

This has NO place in a.c-e.c.w. ALl the people that want to
discuss this sunject, please take it to an APPROPRIATE
newsgroup, this is NOT it. Thank you.

[Hanson]

OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE IS FINAL REFUGE
OF THE INCOMPETENT

June 11, 1996

Some interesting things are happening lately. More
than thirty black churches have been intentionally set
ablaze in the U.S. in the last year and a half. Here in
the newsgroups, obscenity and threats seem to be the
current "official" response of the right wing. Connection? I
think so.

There is a saying that "violence is the final refuge of

[William R. Discipio Jr]

Just thought I'd repeat this....

William R. Discipio Jr (disc...@crl.com) wrote:
: Typical of the manipulation and demagogory the radical left wing engages
: in... Not suprising to see coming from DNC hack 'Richard Hanson.'
: Pshychopolitics rules, eh Steffie?

: Hanson (rha...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: : OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE IS FINAL REFUGE
: : OF THE INCOMPETENT

: : June 11, 1996

: : Some interesting things are happening lately. More
: : than thirty black churches have been intentionally set
: : ablaze in the U.S. in the last year and a half. Here in
: : the newsgroups, obscenity and threats seem to be the
: : current "official" response of the right wing. Connection? I
: : think so.

: What "richard" won't point out as that he and his buddies Jim Kennemur,

: Rack Jite, Dan Thornsberry, et al spew the most vile anti-religion
: bigotry and anti-conservative black bigory almost daily.

: : There is a saying that "violence is the final refuge of

: <psychopolitics from paid political hack 'Richard Hanson' deleted>

[Hanson]

reynm...@aol.com (Reynmeistr) wrote:

>Hypocrite Hanson can't bring himself to admit that the KKK started out
>filled with disgruntled Demagogic Party members (former Confederates angry
>at Republican successes freeing the slaves.

Funny how the GOP has been fighting against the political freedom of
blacks ever since.

> Hanson can't admit that it's
>stayed this way... ever since--- right thru George Democrat Wallace--- all
>the hate has come from the Demagogic Party...

Funny how the George Wallace Demagogic Party has been filled with
GOPers for years.

> Party of slavery, Jim Crow,
>church burnings and the KKK.

Yep. The GOP, party of continued black and female slavery, Jim Crow,

church burnings and the KKK.

RH

[Hanson]

dia...@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews) wrote:

>In article <31be4d87...@nntp.ix.netcom.com> rha...@ix.netcom.com (Hanson) writes:
>>OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE IS FINAL REFUGE
>>OF THE INCOMPETENT
>>
>>June 11, 1996
>>
>> Some interesting things are happening lately. More
>>than thirty black churches have been intentionally set
>>ablaze in the U.S. in the last year and a half. Here in
>>the newsgroups, obscenity and threats seem to be the
>>current "official" response of the right wing.
>

>Well, the "official" net response of the loudest. Which is really
>sad. Once upon a time in my relatively short life, the nation would
>have agreed w/ itself, regardless of partisan colors, that this
>pattern of arson was a Bad Thing.

Precisely. The sane response is that there are certain acts and
certain attitudes that are simply not tolerable in a sane society.
The current difficulty seems to be that the current debate has drifted
into the area of the insane.

Equating the church burnings with Waco is just more of the same kind
of value-balancing that promotes violent acts. They're both wrong.

RH

[Lindsey Lee]

Mr. Hanson this is an EXCELLENT essay!!!!

They should move you over to the speech writing department in the OEB!
Your heavenly writing skills are being wasted doing this drudgery.

I am proud that I get to call you Comrade Hanson!!!

Warm Regards,

Comrade Lee

[Lindsey Lee]

Lindsey Lee <leel...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
>rha...@ix.netcom.com (Hanson) wrote:
>>OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE IS FINAL REFUGE
>>OF THE INCOMPETENT
>>
>>June 11, 1996
>>

(great writing sniped)

>> Above all, we must be brave. Violence and
>>obscenity are the final refuge of the incompetent and the
>>cowardly. Those who find it convenient to aim threats and
>>insults from behind falsified names and addresses are the
>>real cowards in this fight, regardless of the fear they might
>>occasionally inspire. For the moment they must be faced
>>up to for what they are, a menace and a possible personal
>>danger to those who have nothing to hide. In the end, they
>>will go the way of all of history's thugs. In the end, political
>>terrorists are as powerless as the ideas they represent.
>>
>>RH
>>
>
>Mr. Hanson this is an EXCELLENT essay!!!!
>
>They should move you over to the speech writing department in the OEB!

oppps....I should not have written this.

[Max Kennedy]

Lindsey Lee <leel...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:

>rha...@ix.netcom.com (Hanson) wrote:

>Mr. Hanson this is an EXCELLENT essay!!!!

>They should move you over to the speech writing department in the OEB!
>Your heavenly writing skills are being wasted doing this drudgery.

>I am proud that I get to call you Comrade Hanson!!!

>Warm Regards,

>Comrade Lee

Lee, I hate to break it to you, but this isn't communist China, and we don't
reward propaganda with better posts or positions.

Max Kennedy

[mdk...@acs.tamu.edu]

Lindsey Lee <leel...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
>rha...@ix.netcom.com (Hanson) wrote:
>>OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE IS FINAL REFUGE
>>OF THE INCOMPETENT
>>
>>June 11, 1996
>>
>> Some interesting things are happening lately. More
>>than thirty black churches have been intentionally set
>>ablaze in the U.S. in the last year and a half. Here in
>>the newsgroups, obscenity and threats seem to be the
>>current "official" response of the right wing. Connection? I
>>think so.

*balance snipped*

Too bad that it's only half the information. According to C-Span June
13, 1997 on the Newspaper Roundtable, of the 123 churches that have been
burned during this string of arsons, 44 of them were black churches.
Could it be that the acts of terrorism aren't directed at blacks, but
rather on religion??!! Would the liberals of this country be screaming
if this were the case? Not likely.

While many talk of a unified society, isn't it interesting to note that
every opportunity to divide is capitalized on, and divisiveness is the
thing that makes the news.

These arsons are an attack against RELIGION, not a specific minority
group.

Mark Klemm

[Rosalee Thompson]

In article <4po5nn$p...@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Lindsey Lee <leel...@pilot.msu.edu> writes:

>>
>>Mr. Hanson this is an EXCELLENT essay!!!!
>>
>>They should move you over to the speech writing department in the OEB!

>oppps....I should not have written this.

Essay by Hanson--don't kid yourself, Mister Lee, Hanson simply failed to add
the source of his "essay". If you'd check out the Liberal n/groups, you'd
likely find his source correctly identified.
A great difference here, when a news article is posted, sources are identified
at the time.

You're correct it is an "ooops", if you can't tell the difference; no wonder
you support the Clintons.

[Hanson]

ding...@erinet.com (Rosalee Thompson) wrote:

>In article <4po5nn$p...@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Lindsey Lee <leel...@pilot.msu.edu> writes:
>
>>>

>>>Mr. Hanson this is an EXCELLENT essay!!!!
>>>
>>>They should move you over to the speech writing department in the OEB!
>

>>oppps....I should not have written this.
>
>
>Essay by Hanson--don't kid yourself, Mister Lee, Hanson simply failed to add
>the source of his "essay". If you'd check out the Liberal n/groups, you'd
>likely find his source correctly identified.

Not unless it has my name on it.

Sorry, Rat...tis a humbe thing, but mine own.

RH

"Unmarked Helicopters...hovering,
The Lord is coming soon.
Unmarked Helicopters...hovering,
They said it was a weather balloon."

From "Songs In The Key of X"

[Hanson]

mken...@iglou.com (Max Kennedy) wrote:

>Lindsey Lee <leel...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
>
>>rha...@ix.netcom.com (Hanson) wrote:
>

>>Mr. Hanson this is an EXCELLENT essay!!!!
>
>>They should move you over to the speech writing department in the OEB!
>>Your heavenly writing skills are being wasted doing this drudgery.
>
>>I am proud that I get to call you Comrade Hanson!!!
>
>>Warm Regards,
>
>>Comrade Lee
>

>Lee, I hate to break it to you, but this isn't communist China, and we don't
>reward propaganda with better posts or positions.

I don't know, maxi... You're one of the most flagrant propagandists
on the net and at least you haven't been fired.

RH

[John Q. Public]

William R. Discipio Jr wrote:
>
> Typical of the manipulation and demagogory the radical left wing engages
> in... Not suprising to see coming from DNC hack 'Richard Hanson.'
> Pshychopolitics rules, eh Steffie?
>
> Hanson (rha...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

> : OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE IS FINAL REFUGE

> : OF THE INCOMPETENT
>
> : June 11, 1996
>
> : Some interesting things are happening lately. More
> : than thirty black churches have been intentionally set
> : ablaze in the U.S. in the last year and a half. Here in
> : the newsgroups, obscenity and threats seem to be the
> : current "official" response of the right wing. Connection? I
> : think so.
>

> What "richard" won't point out as that he and his buddies Jim Kennemur,
> Rack Jite, Dan Thornsberry, et al spew the most vile anti-religion
> bigotry and anti-conservative black bigory almost daily.
>

> : There is a saying that "violence is the final refuge of

>
> <psychopolitics from paid political hack 'Richard Hanson' deleted>
>
> : RH
>

Looks like the hate filled DNC extremists are at it again, eh?

not to be used for commercial purposes

Thursday June 13 3:39 PM EDT

Plot against GOP Politicians Uncovered

RIVERHEAD, N.Y. (Reuter) - Investigators uncovered an apparent
plot to assassinate several local Long Island politicians with
radioactive material, Suffolk County authorities said Thursday.

District Attorney James Catterson told a news conference that
two men had been arrested and charged with conspiracy to commit
murder. The alleged plot was ``something out of a novel,'' he
said, with radioactive material and weapons discovered in a house
in Bellport, Long Island.

``The plot was where an individual so obsessed with hatred or
mainstream political figures, who with ballistics people would
spread radioactive material in the seat of his car, in his food
or some proximity to him in the hope that he would contract
incurable diseases and cause his death,'' Catterson said.

<snip>

- Copyright c 1996 Reuters Limited

[William R. Discipio Jr]

Hanson (rha...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

: I don't know, maxi... You're one of the most flagrant propagandists

: on the net and at least you haven't been fired.

"Richard Hanson" paid DNC hack is projecting...

[Swopa]

In article <DsxGu...@iglou.com>, mken...@iglou.com replied to
Lindsey Lee as follows:

>
> Lee, I hate to break it to you, but this isn't communist China, and we don't
> reward propaganda with better posts or positions.
>

> Max Kennedy

Really??

Tell that to Betsy McCaughey (named lieutenant governor nominee in
New York after article on Clinton health plan in the New Republic), and to
Mark Halperin (hired as a speechwriter by Bob Dole -- he wrote the
"just a man" resignation speech -- after an op-ed piece in the Wall Street
Journal).

Hell, tell it to Ronald Reagan.

[Tim Watson]

Hanson wrote (most snipped):

> Above all, we must be brave. Violence and
> obscenity are the final refuge of the incompetent and the
> cowardly. Those who find it convenient to aim threats and
> insults from behind falsified names and addresses are the
> real cowards in this fight, regardless of the fear they might
> occasionally inspire. For the moment they must be faced
> up to for what they are, a menace and a possible personal
> danger to those who have nothing to hide. In the end, they
> will go the way of all of history's thugs. In the end, political
> terrorists are as powerless as the ideas they represent.
>
> RH

On these occasions when Hanson feels expansive and decides to regale us with
his philosophical musings, I always get the feeling that I'm in my den, half
asleep, looking at the large mirror over the mantel. And then, after reading
a few lines, I understand. Hanson is writing a mirror-image of reality, and
it is at first disorienting, just as I imagine Alice was disoriented right
before she fell through her looking-glass, to the other side, where
everything is the opposite of reality.

Hanson has described the leftist culture in America today, and its
totalitarian mentality, but some of what he writes is laughable (he complains
about obscenity??? Hanson and Thronesberry can't write a post without a full
complement of the most filthy obscenities!! See what I mean about
"mirror-image"?)

The thugs are on the left, and Hanson knows it. Observe what Hanson and the
other leftists on this board and all the others Hanson posted his message to
defend and support, daily and hourly: Thuggish Clintonites fire seven career
employees, to get "the slots" for Hillary and Hillary's sleazy pals, and then
abuse the FBI to initiate phoney criminal investigations of the hapless
former government workers; Clinton's thugs cause his cronies in the Justice
Department (including the wonderful Web Hubbell - he must be a favorite of
Hanson and his buddies) to seek and obtain indictments against Billy Dale,
which are so blatantly false and political that most of the Washington press
corps (leftists and Clinton voters to a man - or at least 89% of a man) comes
to court and tells the jury that the Clinton charges are bullshit and false
and unfair and wrong, and the jury takes time to elect a foreman before
voting for an acquittal; thugs in the White House somehow compel the FBI to
deliver to the WH 341 files containing confidential and highly personal
information on Republican leaders, keep the files for two and half years
(while no doubt cateloguing the information contained in them), and only when
hit with a contempt citation, reveal that they exist, and then lie repeatedly
about them; and so much more.....

Hanson has signed on to defend sleazy, corrupt politicians, who lie and cheat
and steal as a culture. Hanson must, as we all must, justify his actions to
himself, and he does so the only way he knows how: by demonizing those who
are offended by sleaze and corruption and lying, by telling himself over and
over and over that this is an ideological war, that he, as a man of the left,
is on the "right" side in that war, and that in wartime sacrifices must be
made. So he makes his sacrifice: he sells his soul and his honor to the
sleazest politicians ever to hit Washington, and tells himself that he does
so in the cause of truth and justice. But he does so only in the cause of
Slick Willie, and Hanson has sold the only thing a man really owns, for
less than nothing - for corrupt politics.

Tim Watson

[Kurt Nicklas]

In article <31bf71b6...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
rha...@ix.netcom.com (Hanson) wrote:
>dia...@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews) wrote:
>
<snip>

>Equating the church burnings with Waco is just more of the same kind
>of value-balancing that promotes violent acts. They're both wrong.
>
>RH

Another activity which promotes escalating distrust and violent
tendencies is when tragedies such as the church burnings or Waco or
OKC are use for political purposes - which is exactly, precisely what
is being done by our Boy President to get re-elected. He's using those
incidents to curry favor with an electorate exposed more and more to
his deceits such as WW, FileGate, TravelGate etc.

Hitler had his Reichstag fire - Slick had his OKC.

Curt Nicklas
tibe...@rbdc.rbdc.com
*** Has anybody see Thornsberry? ***

--( Post your sophomoric, derivative, copycat answer here, !Dick )---

---------------------------------------------------------------------

[Dan Thornsberry]

Tim Watson wrote:
>
> Hanson wrote (most snipped):

>
> > Above all, we must be brave. Violence and
> > obscenity are the final refuge of the incompetent and the
> > cowardly. Those who find it convenient to aim threats and
> > insults from behind falsified names and addresses are the
> > real cowards in this fight, regardless of the fear they might
> > occasionally inspire. For the moment they must be faced
> > up to for what they are, a menace and a possible personal
> > danger to those who have nothing to hide. In the end, they
> > will go the way of all of history's thugs. In the end, political
> > terrorists are as powerless as the ideas they represent.
> >
> > RH
>

> On these occasions when Hanson feels expansive and decides to regale us with
> his philosophical musings, I always get the feeling that I'm in my den, half
> asleep, looking at the large mirror over the mantel. And then, after reading
> a few lines, I understand. Hanson is writing a mirror-image of reality, and
> it is at first disorienting, just as I imagine Alice was disoriented right
> before she fell through her looking-glass, to the other side, where
> everything is the opposite of reality.
>
> Hanson has described the leftist culture in America today, and its
> totalitarian mentality, but some of what he writes is laughable (he complains
> about obscenity??? Hanson and Thronesberry can't write a post without a full
> complement of the most filthy obscenities!! See what I mean about
> "mirror-image"?)
>
> The thugs are on the left, and Hanson knows it.

Give Tim a good ole church burnin' conservative any time.

> Observe what Hanson and the
> other leftists on this board and all the others Hanson posted his message to
> defend and support, daily and hourly: Thuggish Clintonites fire seven career
> employees,

Who was depositing money which did not belong to them into
their personal accounts. If a liberal did that, Timmy would be
burning a cross on their lawn.

> to get "the slots" for Hillary and Hillary's sleazy pals, and then
> abuse the FBI to initiate phoney criminal investigations of the hapless
> former government workers; Clinton's thugs cause his cronies in the Justice
> Department (including the wonderful Web Hubbell - he must be a favorite of
> Hanson and his buddies) to seek and obtain indictments against Billy Dale,
> which are so blatantly false and political that most of the Washington press
> corps (leftists and Clinton voters to a man - or at least 89% of a man) comes
> to court and tells the jury that the Clinton charges are bullshit and false
> and unfair and wrong, and the jury takes time to elect a foreman before
> voting for an acquittal; thugs in the White House somehow compel the FBI to
> deliver to the WH 341 files containing confidential and highly personal
> information on Republican leaders, keep the files for two and half years
> (while no doubt cateloguing the information contained in them), and only when
> hit with a contempt citation, reveal that they exist, and then lie repeatedly
> about them; and so much more.....

341 files of brown shirted right wing church burners?

>
> Hanson has signed on to defend sleazy, corrupt politicians, who lie and cheat
> and steal as a culture. Hanson must, as we all must, justify his actions to
> himself, and he does so the only way he knows how: by demonizing those who
> are offended by sleaze and corruption and lying, by telling himself over and
> over and over that this is an ideological war, that he, as a man of the left,
> is on the "right" side in that war, and that in wartime sacrifices must be
> made. So he makes his sacrifice: he sells his soul and his honor to the
> sleazest politicians ever to hit Washington, and tells himself that he does
> so in the cause of truth and justice. But he does so only in the cause of
> Slick Willie, and Hanson has sold the only thing a man really owns, for
> less than nothing - for corrupt politics.
>
> Tim Watson

--
-------------------------------------------------------
Q. What do conservatives love?
a. Guns
b. Racists
c. Bible thumpers
d. Things that kill
e. Tobacco industry
f. Tax cuts for the rich
g. Koresh, Weaver & McVeigh
h. All of the above.

Q. What do conservatives hate?
a. Things that feed children
b. Non-whites
c. Uppity females
d. Education
e. All of the above

-------------------------------------------------------
Have you noticed how the Contract on America parallels
the economy of Mexico? The GOP wants a low minimum wage
for cheap labor, less controls on polluters, they want
the poor to become poorer and the rich richer, they want
to cast the elderly, the disabled, and the weak into the
street, they want education to be only for the wealthy,
and Newt has shown they want us to cast a blind eye on
public officials being bribed. If you want your city to
look like Mexico City, vote republican.
==========================================================
| | The GOP wants more guns |
| Dan Thornsberry | |
|tbe...@computek.net | and less education!!! |
| | |
|==========================================================|
| The victors called the revolution a triumph of liberty; |
| but now and then liberty, in the slogans of the strong, |
| means freedom from restraint in the exploitation of the |
| weak. -Will Durant |
==========================================================
Thank you Mr. President:
Thanks for restoring democracy in Haiti.
Thanks for the Brady Bill.
Thanks for protecting the weak from the GOP.
Thanks for getting us out of the Somalia quagmire.
Thanks for getting the economy back on track.
Thanks for stopping the carnage in Bosnia.
Thanks for returning a concern for humanity to the White House
-------------------------------------------------------

[Nathan Mower]

Lindsey Lee wrote:
>
> >Mr. Hanson this is an EXCELLENT essay!!!!
> >
> >They should move you over to the speech writing department in the OEB!
>

> oppps....I should not have written this.

Who are "they", Lindsey?

Tell them Mr. Hanson is doing just fine in his
assignment *here*.

:-)

Nathan Mower
nat...@itsnet.com

[Martin McPhillips]

NEW NATIONAL SECURITY WORRIES
AT DICK! COMA VIGIL IN OREGON

CLINTOON CRACK KING MUTTERS ABOUT
DAYS WHEN MAO WAS HIS GOD

SENATOR WYDEN WORRIED; PLANS
SERIES OF VISITS TO PORTLAND HAIR CLUB

PRESIDENT ORDERS SIX MORE CEMENT TRUCKS
TO SCENE; TOTAL STANDS AT TWELVE

AMBASSADORS LINDSEY AND LASATER
SAID TO PACE HOSPITAL CORRIDORS

DICK! AWAKE FOR JUST 10 SECONDS:
CALLS NURSE AT BEDSIDE A "MORON"

FALLS BACK INTO COMA WHILE REACHING
FOR BURNING CLINTOON CRACK PLACED
AT HIS BEDSIDE BY BUDDY "TEXAS DAN"

SENATOR WYDEN SHOWS OFF NEW
HIGH HEELS DURING EVENING VISIT

> rha...@ix.netcom.com(Hanson) writes:
> mken...@iglou.com (Max Kennedy) wrote:
>
> >Lindsey Lee <leel...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
> >

> >>rha...@ix.netcom.com (Hanson) wrote:
> >
> >>Mr. Hanson this is an EXCELLENT essay!!!!
> >
> >>They should move you over to the speech writing department in the OEB!

> >>Your heavenly writing skills are being wasted doing this drudgery.
> >
> >>I am proud that I get to call you Comrade Hanson!!!
> >
> >>Warm Regards,
> >
> >>Comrade Lee
> >

> >Lee, I hate to break it to you, but this isn't communist China, and we don't
> >reward propaganda with better posts or positions.
>

> I don't know, maxi... You're one of the most flagrant propagandists
> on the net and at least you haven't been fired.
>

> RH
>
>
>
>>>>

[Hanson]

tibe...@rbdc.com (Kurt Nicklas) wrote:

>In article <31bf71b6...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
> rha...@ix.netcom.com (Hanson) wrote:
>>dia...@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews) wrote:
>>
><snip>
>>Equating the church burnings with Waco is just more of the same kind
>>of value-balancing that promotes violent acts. They're both wrong.
>>
>>RH
>
>Another activity which promotes escalating distrust and violent
>tendencies is when tragedies such as the church burnings or Waco or
>OKC are use for political purposes - which is exactly, precisely what

>is being done ...

And has been done continuously by the Right Wing with the Waco
incident.

RH

[Hanson]

Horrible, terrible...

but only to be expected in the climate of hate generated by the Right
Wing over the last few years.

And egging it on we will always find the likes of John Q. Public.

RH

"The Neo-conservatives don't really have ideas.
They have irritable mental gestures that substitute
for ideas."
Lionel Trilling

[Hanson]

wdm...@ix.netcom.com (Wayne Mann) wrote:

>rha...@ix.netcom.com (Hanson) wrote:
>
>>OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE IS FINAL REFUGE
>>OF THE INCOMPETENT
>
>>June 11, 1996
>
>

> Here we have a perfect example of the intentions of hanson
>the idiot.

To make you look like an idiot?

But Wayne! You're already doing such a wonderful job on your own.

[Hanson]

wdm...@ix.netcom.com (Wayne Mann) wrote:

>Lindsey Lee <leel...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:

>
>>Lindsey Lee <leel...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
>>>rha...@ix.netcom.com (Hanson) wrote:
>>>>OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE IS FINAL REFUGE
>>>>OF THE INCOMPETENT
>>>>
>>>>June 11, 1996
>>>>
>

>>(great writing sniped)

>
>>>> Above all, we must be brave. Violence and
>>>>obscenity are the final refuge of the incompetent and the
>>>>cowardly. Those who find it convenient to aim threats and
>>>>insults from behind falsified names and addresses are the
>>>>real cowards in this fight, regardless of the fear they might
>>>>occasionally inspire. For the moment they must be faced
>>>>up to for what they are, a menace and a possible personal
>>>>danger to those who have nothing to hide. In the end, they
>>>>will go the way of all of history's thugs. In the end, political
>>>>terrorists are as powerless as the ideas they represent.
>>>>
>>>>RH
>>>>
>>>
>>>Mr. Hanson this is an EXCELLENT essay!!!!
>>>
>>>They should move you over to the speech writing department in the OEB!
>

>>oppps....I should not have written this.
>

> No you are correct, why did you spam it all over the net?
>Again! Don't you know how to trim the headers?
>
>
>Many headers trimmed down to ONE, why didn't you?
>
>
>
>\\/ayne //\ann
>
>
>"Why can't the Jews and Arabs just sit down together
>and settle this like good Christians"
> said Arthur Balfour
>
>

[Hanson]

wdm...@ix.netcom.com (Wayne Mann) wrote:

>Lindsey Lee <leel...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
>
>>rha...@ix.netcom.com (Hanson) wrote:
>>>OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE IS FINAL REFUGE
>>>OF THE INCOMPETENT
>>>
>>>June 11, 1996
>>>
>>>
>

>>Mr. Hanson this is an EXCELLENT essay!!!!
>
>>They should move you over to the speech writing department in the OEB!
>>Your heavenly writing skills are being wasted doing this drudgery.
>
>>I am proud that I get to call you Comrade Hanson!!!
>
>>Warm Regards,
>
>>Comrade Lee
>

> Well any attempt to rejuvenate your integrity here just went
>out the winf\dow when you congratulate Hanson and spam his
>post one more time. Don't you know how to trim the headers?
>
>Many headers trimmed down to ONE, why did't you?

[Hanson]

wdm...@ix.netcom.com (Wayne Mann) wrote:

>Lindsey Lee <leel...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
>
>>rha...@ix.netcom.com (Hanson) wrote:
>>>OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE IS FINAL REFUGE
>>>OF THE INCOMPETENT
>>>
>>>June 11, 1996
>>>
>>>
>

>>Mr. Hanson this is an EXCELLENT essay!!!!
>
>>They should move you over to the speech writing department in the OEB!
>>Your heavenly writing skills are being wasted doing this drudgery.
>
>>I am proud that I get to call you Comrade Hanson!!!
>
>>Warm Regards,
>
>>Comrade Lee
>

> Well any attempt to rejuvenate your integrity here just went
>out the winf\dow when you congratulate Hanson and spam his
>post one more time. Don't you know how to trim the headers?

Don't YOU know how to mind your own business, Wayne?

[Wayne Mann]

Lindsey Lee <leel...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:

>Lindsey Lee <leel...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
>>rha...@ix.netcom.com (Hanson) wrote:
>>>OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE IS FINAL REFUGE
>>>OF THE INCOMPETENT
>>>
>>>June 11, 1996
>>>

>(great writing sniped)

>>> Above all, we must be brave. Violence and
>>>obscenity are the final refuge of the incompetent and the
>>>cowardly. Those who find it convenient to aim threats and
>>>insults from behind falsified names and addresses are the
>>>real cowards in this fight, regardless of the fear they might
>>>occasionally inspire. For the moment they must be faced
>>>up to for what they are, a menace and a possible personal
>>>danger to those who have nothing to hide. In the end, they
>>>will go the way of all of history's thugs. In the end, political
>>>terrorists are as powerless as the ideas they represent.
>>>
>>>RH
>>>
>>
>>Mr. Hanson this is an EXCELLENT essay!!!!
>>
>>They should move you over to the speech writing department in the OEB!

>oppps....I should not have written this.

No you are correct, why did you spam it all over the net?

Again! Don't you know how to trim the headers?

Many headers trimmed down to ONE, why didn't you?

[Hanson]

wdm...@ix.netcom.com (Wayne Mann) wrote:

>Lindsey Lee <leel...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:

>
>>Lindsey Lee <leel...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
>>>rha...@ix.netcom.com (Hanson) wrote:
>>>>OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE IS FINAL REFUGE
>>>>OF THE INCOMPETENT
>>>>
>>>>June 11, 1996
>>>>
>

>>(great writing sniped)

>
>>>> Above all, we must be brave. Violence and
>>>>obscenity are the final refuge of the incompetent and the
>>>>cowardly. Those who find it convenient to aim threats and
>>>>insults from behind falsified names and addresses are the
>>>>real cowards in this fight, regardless of the fear they might
>>>>occasionally inspire. For the moment they must be faced
>>>>up to for what they are, a menace and a possible personal
>>>>danger to those who have nothing to hide. In the end, they
>>>>will go the way of all of history's thugs. In the end, political
>>>>terrorists are as powerless as the ideas they represent.
>>>>
>>>>RH
>>>>
>>>
>>>Mr. Hanson this is an EXCELLENT essay!!!!
>>>
>>>They should move you over to the speech writing department in the OEB!
>

>>oppps....I should not have written this.
>
> No you are correct, why did you spam it all over the net?
>Again! Don't you know how to trim the headers?

Don't you KNOW how to mind your own business, wayne?

By the way, where's that retraction?

[Hanson]

Tim Watson <tim...@cei.net> wrote:

>Hanson wrote (most snipped):
>
>

>> Above all, we must be brave. Violence and
>> obscenity are the final refuge of the incompetent and the
>> cowardly. Those who find it convenient to aim threats and
>> insults from behind falsified names and addresses are the
>> real cowards in this fight, regardless of the fear they might
>> occasionally inspire. For the moment they must be faced
>> up to for what they are, a menace and a possible personal
>> danger to those who have nothing to hide. In the end, they
>> will go the way of all of history's thugs. In the end, political
>> terrorists are as powerless as the ideas they represent.
>>
>> RH
>

>On these occasions when Hanson feels expansive and decides to regale us with
>his philosophical musings, I always get the feeling that I'm in my den, half
>asleep, looking at the large mirror over the mantel. And then, after reading
>a few lines, I understand. Hanson is writing a mirror-image of reality, and
>it is at first disorienting, just as I imagine Alice was disoriented right
>before she fell through her looking-glass, to the other side, where
>everything is the opposite of reality.

And you're still asleep, Watson. That mirror you think your looking
at is a window pane into the reality that you and your right wing
compatriots despise.

If it had really been a mirror, you would have scared yourself.

>
>Hanson has described the leftist culture in America today, and its
>totalitarian mentality, but some of what he writes is laughable (he complains
>about obscenity??? Hanson and Thronesberry can't write a post without a full
>complement of the most filthy obscenities!! See what I mean about
>"mirror-image"?)

No. And neither does anyone else who has ever had the time and the
honesty to compare either the tone or the substance of the articles in
this group. Since you seem so adamant about it, run along and find
some postings of mine filled with the obscenities, the "filthy"
obscenities, I might add, that so dismay you. For my own part, not
being quite so prone to wallowing in Deja News as the Right Wing, I'll
just sample that which is in my own humble little database of
representative Right Wing scribblings from right here in good old
a.c.e.c.w. I doubt you'll find too many filthy obscenities coming
from my posts, and I'm willing to bet I can come up with a lot of them
coming from the likes of McPhillips, Public, Congenital Cow, Beck,
Jakala, and gosh there's just so many others.

Get to it!

One need not be a "man of the left" to be against the hatred and the
obscenity that is the Right Wing.

[Wayne Mann]

Lindsey Lee <leel...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:

>rha...@ix.netcom.com (Hanson) wrote:
>>OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE IS FINAL REFUGE
>>OF THE INCOMPETENT
>>
>>June 11, 1996
>>
>>

>Mr. Hanson this is an EXCELLENT essay!!!!

>They should move you over to the speech writing department in the OEB!
>Your heavenly writing skills are being wasted doing this drudgery.

>I am proud that I get to call you Comrade Hanson!!!

>Warm Regards,

>Comrade Lee

Well any attempt to rejuvenate your integrity here just went

out the winf\dow when you congratulate Hanson and spam his

post one more time. Don't you know how to trim the headers?

Many headers trimmed down to ONE, why did't you?

[henry jakala]

Hanson (rha...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: mken...@iglou.com (Max Kennedy) wrote:

: >Lindsey Lee <leel...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
: >
: >>rha...@ix.netcom.com (Hanson) wrote:

: >
: >>Mr. Hanson this is an EXCELLENT essay!!!!

: >
: >>They should move you over to the speech writing department in the OEB!
: >>Your heavenly writing skills are being wasted doing this drudgery.
: >
: >>I am proud that I get to call you Comrade Hanson!!!
: >
: >>Warm Regards,
: >
: >>Comrade Lee

: >
: >Lee, I hate to break it to you, but this isn't communist China, and we don't

: >reward propaganda with better posts or positions.

: I don't know, maxi... You're one of the most flagrant propagandists
: on the net and at least you haven't been fired.

so hanson -

exactly how many People's Hero First Class ribbons are
currently displayed on your Black-Pajama clad carcasse ???

you must be proud

: RH

[Hanson]

jak...@netcom.com (henry jakala) wrote:

Now Henry, you old Trotskyite you. No one on the net knows more about
the true communist line than you.

RH

[Max Kennedy]

Swop...@aol.com (Swopa) wrote:

>In article <DsxGu...@iglou.com>, mken...@iglou.com replied to
>Lindsey Lee as follows:

>>

>> Lee, I hate to break it to you, but this isn't communist China, and we don't
>> reward propaganda with better posts or positions.
>>

>> Max Kennedy

>Really??

>Tell that to Betsy McCaughey (named lieutenant governor nominee in
>New York after article on Clinton health plan in the New Republic), and to
>Mark Halperin (hired as a speechwriter by Bob Dole -- he wrote the
>"just a man" resignation speech -- after an op-ed piece in the Wall Street
>Journal).

>Hell, tell it to Ronald Reagan.

Have you seen this Swopa? Ironically, I was just searching for this magazine
on the Web when Billy Beck posted this story. I wanted to see if they had any
historical articles on Sir Edward Cook or any other pre 1800 writers on English
law.

----

The CBS Puppet Show just reported on a "bizarre plot" to assassinate
local officials on Long Island. Two men were arrested for allgedly
conspiring to ice officials with radioactive materials. They were
found in possession of canisters of radium.

That's not what has me picking myself up off the floor.

Rather reported that the men were also found with weapons and (get this)
"militia literature".

On those two words, we were shown a copy of "The Freeman - Ideas On Liberty".

Quiz: How many people here are familiar with The Freeman?

Does anyone here know who publishes that magazine?

(free clues -

http://WWW.PG.NET/fee/index.htm
http://www.self-gov.org/freeman/freeman.htm)

There is *no way* to regard Dan Rather as anything but an Amerikan apparatchik.
No way.

------

Every once in awhile it takes a little story like this to remind me exactly WHO
you are siding with, and how these people and these lies would love to throw me
and my family in the camps.

My life is on the line. Get lost Slimey, we've got serious things to discuse
on this group.

Max Kennedy

[John Q. Public]

Dan Thornsberry, foul-mouthed email threatener, wrote:
>

>
> 341 files of brown shirted right wing church burners?
>

thus confirming his advocacy of statist repression of political
opponents.

> Thanks for returning a concern for humanity to the White House
> -------------------------------------------------------

What? No threats? No anal imagery?

Yer' slippin, Danny. And don't forget, just between you and me and
those people at the phone company and some others I'm not at
liberty to identify, *69!

[Hanson]

"John Q. Public" <capm...@inxpress.net> wrote:

>Yer' slippin, Danny. And don't forget, just between you and me and
>those people at the phone company and some others I'm not at

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>liberty to identify, *69!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Just WHO are these "people," HackBoy?

Who is really "running" you?

Inquiring minds want to know!

[Billy Beck]

Here's a post that I will not snip the headers on, Wayne.

This must go out far & wide.

mken...@iglou.com (Max Kennedy) wrote:

>Ironically, I was just searching for this magazine
>on the Web when Billy Beck posted this story. I wanted to see if they had any
>historical articles on Sir Edward Cook or any other pre 1800 writers on English
>law.

Write to FEE, Max. I don't think that you will find what you are
looking for, online. They can certainly point out your vector,
though.

(snip me)

> (free clues -

> http://WWW.PG.NET/fee/index.htm
> http://www.self-gov.org/freeman/freeman.htm)

Have you visited these sites yet?

The FEE site isn't what I might hope for from that institution. I
beat the bushes for a long time to find them, and was moderately
disappointed at what I found. On the other hand, I really should get
off my ass and send them whatever they want for a subscription to The
Freeman. My dad once sent them about $25 or so (over 20 years ago),
and they sent him The Freeman for *years* afterward. They used to
send it out for free.

To all who don't know what we're talking about:

"FEE" is the Foundation for Economic Education. They have been in
business since 1946, quietly and ardently going about the difficult
task of defending liberty and free markets in a serious and scholarly
manner. The Freeman is their flagship publication; a gold-mine of
diligently researched rational argument against the multi-various
incursions of government against your liberty. There is nothing
shrill about them. They are steadfastly rational, and maintain a
lovely campus at Irvington-on-Hudson, N.Y., where they offer a variety
of programs for serious students. The Foundation was established by
Leonard Read, and guided for many years by Ludwig von Mises.

The second URL, above, is the Advocates for Self-Government index of
articles from The Freeman, presumably published with permission from
FEE. It is presented for the benefit of those who would care to
consider the implications of Dan Rather's vicious and irresponsible
smear of The Freeman in association with "militias".

Go see for yourself what The Freeman is all about.

(me)

>There is *no way* to regard Dan Rather as anything but an Amerikan apparatchik.
>No way.

(Max)

>Every once in awhile it takes a little story like this to remind me exactly WHO
>you are siding with, and how these people and these lies would love to throw me
>and my family in the camps.

Agreed.

Swopa:

What Rather did was certainly criminal in effect, if not strictly
according to statute. This was the most flagrant *lie* that I have
ever seen him drool. If he is not aware of FEE or The Freeman, then
he has absolutely no business being on the air. FEE is well known to
anyone who has been paying serious attention to political affairs in
America over the past 50 years. Its reputation is well-established
and beyond any hint of reproach.

In the very least: if he really was not aware of FEE (unbelievable!),
he should immediately devote whatever time is necessary to disclaiming
his grievous error, with a detailed report explicating the differences
between the good work of FEE and the comparatively adolescent history
of the militias, whom he so irresponsibly associated with FEE.

I don't believe it, though.

It is clear to me that Dan Rather took a darkly serendipitous
opportunity to reinforce the *fear* that he works so hard to incite
throughout the land. We already know that the targets of the
conspiracy on which he reported were *Republicans*. (He never said a
word about that.) Ever the yeoman statist, Rather cannot abide the
merest hint of intellectual rebellion against his concepts of
"society", and will do anything necessary or possible to smear even
the most peaceful and scholarly advocates of liberty into dangerous
fire-bombers. The purpose is to gather the un-critical or
ill-informed into a huddle of shivering terror. He will leave no lie
un-aired in the process. The opportunity presented by discovery of a
publication whose name could be linked with the situation in Montana,
by means of a three-second visual, in the hands of evidently dangerous
conspirators, was simply perfect to his purpose.

If there is another explanation for this outrage, I would be happy to
hear it from the germ in question.

Upon being convinced of its veracity, I would be abject in my apology.

Until then, I maintain that Dan Rather carries on the dubious and
criminal traditions of Tokyo Rose, Hanoi Hannah, and every other
consciousless slug who ever took up a microphone in service of
tyrrany.

Billy

http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/free/essays.html
"Anthology"

[Wayne Mann]

rha...@ix.netcom.com (Hanson) wrote:

>OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE IS FINAL REFUGE
>OF THE INCOMPETENT

>June 11, 1996

Here we have a perfect example of the intentions of hanson

the idiot. He crossposts this to many newsgroups and then
posts it and reposts it many times one time right after each
other. Of course this is not new for Hanson, he's done the
same thing several times before. How does he not get thrown
off by his ISP you ask? Excellent question, I would like to
know the answer myself? You also notice he started the
header line with an "!" which I have removed. That is like
a dog pissing on a tree to mark their territory.

Many headers trimmed down to ONE, why doesn't everyone?

[Hanson]

Nathan Mower <nat...@itsnet.com> wrote:

>Lindsey Lee wrote:
>>
>> >Mr. Hanson this is an EXCELLENT essay!!!!
>> >
>> >They should move you over to the speech writing department in the OEB!
>>

>> oppps....I should not have written this.
>

>Who are "they", Lindsey?
>
>Tell them Mr. Hanson is doing just fine in his
>assignment *here*.

Thanks, Nathan.

I'll tell my boss [me] and ask myself to reassign myself here for a
long time to come.

[William R. Discipio Jr]

Jim Siler (mag...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: Gail,
: This isn't e-mail, it's a post. E-mail is the one where the little
: smiley face says "You've got Mail!"

She knows that. She can be quite humorous at times (when she's not
apologizing for her racist friend Jim Kennemur, that is).

[Tim Watson]

Lindsey Lee wrote:
>
> rha...@ix.netcom.com (Hanson) wrote:
> >OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE IS FINAL REFUGE
> >OF THE INCOMPETENT
> >
> >June 11, 1996
> >

> > Some interesting things are happening lately. More
> >than thirty black churches have been intentionally set
> >ablaze in the U.S. in the last year and a half. Here in
> >the newsgroups, obscenity and threats seem to be the
> >current "official" response of the right wing. Connection? I
> >think so.
>

> Mr. Hanson this is an EXCELLENT essay!!!!
>
> They should move you over to the speech writing department in the OEB!

> Your heavenly writing skills are being wasted doing this drudgery.
>
> I am proud that I get to call you Comrade Hanson!!!
>
> Warm Regards,
>
> Comrade Lee

Oh. That's a fatuous pile of self-deceiving hatred. It is illustrative of
everything that's wrong with leftist ideologues, from their perverse
assumption of their own intellectual superiority to their loathing of any
idea which contradicts there own narrow little mind-sets, a loathing based in
their fear of their own lack of self-worth. It describes all that is wrong
with academia, with "intellectualism" in America - at bottom, it is a sick
expression of hatred of self and of everything about the American ideal.

Says a lot about you, Lindsey, that I'm sorry to read.

Tim Watson

z

[Martin McPhillips]

DICK! HIT WITH ANOTHER MASSIVE STROKE

RAVINGS FROM COMA STATE CAUSE
HYSTERICAL LAUGHTER AMONG HOSPITAL STAFF

"HE SOUNDS JUST LIKE TEXAS DAN"
SAY ATTENDING DOCTORS AND NURSES

SENATOR WYDEN PAYS ANOTHER VISIT
COMES DISGUISED AS PHLEBOTOMIST

FURTHER BRAIN SCANS REVEAL THAT
DICK! HAD VIRTUALLY NO THOUGHT PROCESS

"HE HAD, ESSENTIALLY, A PARROT'S BRAIN"
REVEALS ATTENDING NEUROLOGIST

CLINTOON CRACK KEPT BURNING AT BEDSIDE

> rha...@ix.netcom.com(Hanson) writes:
> "John Q. Public" <capm...@inxpress.net> wrote:
>

> >William R. Discipio Jr wrote:
> >>
> >> Typical of the manipulation and demagogory the radical left wing engages
> >> in... Not suprising to see coming from DNC hack 'Richard Hanson.'
> >> Pshychopolitics rules, eh Steffie?
> >>

> >> Hanson (rha...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> >> : OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE IS FINAL REFUGE
> >> : OF THE INCOMPETENT
> >>
> >> : June 11, 1996
> >>
> >> : Some interesting things are happening lately. More
> >> : than thirty black churches have been intentionally set
> >> : ablaze in the U.S. in the last year and a half. Here in
> >> : the newsgroups, obscenity and threats seem to be the
> >> : current "official" response of the right wing. Connection? I
> >> : think so.
> >>

> >> What "richard" won't point out as that he and his buddies Jim Kennemur,
> >> Rack Jite, Dan Thornsberry, et al spew the most vile anti-religion
> >> bigotry and anti-conservative black bigory almost daily.
> >>
> >> : There is a saying that "violence is the final refuge of
> >>
> >> <psychopolitics from paid political hack 'Richard Hanson' deleted>
> >>
> >> : RH
> >>
> >
> >Looks like the hate filled DNC extremists are at it again, eh?
> >
> >not to be used for commercial purposes
> >
> >Thursday June 13 3:39 PM EDT
> >
> >Plot against GOP Politicians Uncovered
> >
> > RIVERHEAD, N.Y. (Reuter) - Investigators uncovered an apparent
> > plot to assassinate several local Long Island politicians with
> > radioactive material, Suffolk County authorities said Thursday.
>
> Horrible, terrible...
>
> but only to be expected in the climate of hate generated by the Right
> Wing over the last few years.
>
> And egging it on we will always find the likes of John Q. Public.
>

[Gail Thaler]

mken...@iglou.com (Max Kennedy) wrote:
>Lindsey Lee <leel...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
>
>>rha...@ix.netcom.com (Hanson) wrote:
>

>>Mr. Hanson this is an EXCELLENT essay!!!!
>
>>They should move you over to the speech writing department in the OEB!
>>Your heavenly writing skills are being wasted doing this drudgery.
>
>>I am proud that I get to call you Comrade Hanson!!!
>
>>Warm Regards,
>
>>Comrade Lee
>

>Lee, I hate to break it to you, but this isn't communist China, and we don't
>reward propaganda with better posts or positions.
>
>Max Kennedy
>

Max, please don't tell anyone this. This is just between
you and me. But Ms.Lee was using irony here. First, she
make the joke about Hanson's being a paid political
operative of the DNC (being moved to the Old Executive
Office Building). Then she made a joke on the people
who think all Democrats are communists.

I am only e-mailing you this instead of posting, because
I don't want you to make the same mistake in the future.

Sincerely yours,

Gail
--What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and
the value of nothing.
Oscar Wilde

[Jim Siler]

Gail,
This isn't e-mail, it's a post. E-mail is the one where the little
smiley face says "You've got Mail!"

[Hanson]

mag...@worldnet.att.net (Jim Siler) wrote:

>Gail,
>This isn't e-mail, it's a post. E-mail is the one where the little
>smiley face says "You've got Mail!"

Wow! Right Wingers really DON'T understand irony, do they?

What can you expect from people who get their humor from seeing
politicians beat up on the poor?

RH

"The Neo-conservatives don't really have ideas.

[Hanson]

Tim Watson <tim...@cei.net> wrote:

>Lindsey Lee wrote:

>>
>> rha...@ix.netcom.com (Hanson) wrote:
>> >OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE IS FINAL REFUGE
>> >OF THE INCOMPETENT
>> >
>> >June 11, 1996
>> >
>> > Some interesting things are happening lately. More
>> >than thirty black churches have been intentionally set
>> >ablaze in the U.S. in the last year and a half. Here in
>> >the newsgroups, obscenity and threats seem to be the
>> >current "official" response of the right wing. Connection? I
>> >think so.
>>

>> Mr. Hanson this is an EXCELLENT essay!!!!
>>
>> They should move you over to the speech writing department in the OEB!
>> Your heavenly writing skills are being wasted doing this drudgery.
>>
>> I am proud that I get to call you Comrade Hanson!!!
>>
>> Warm Regards,
>>
>> Comrade Lee
>
>

>Oh. That's a fatuous pile of self-deceiving hatred. It is illustrative of
>everything that's wrong with leftist ideologues

........ Of course it does. It illustrates that we don't agree with
your views and that we have actual ideas instead of just knee-jerk
reactions. No wonder you can't stand it, it's the antithesis of the
philosophy of crabbiness that is all conservatism has ever boiled down
to.

RH

[Lindsey Lee]

Gail Thaler <gth...@cs.com> wrote:
>mken...@iglou.com (Max Kennedy) wrote:
>>Lindsey Lee <leel...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>rha...@ix.netcom.com (Hanson) wrote:
>>

>>>Mr. Hanson this is an EXCELLENT essay!!!!
>>
>>>They should move you over to the speech writing department in the OEB!
>>>Your heavenly writing skills are being wasted doing this drudgery.
>>
>>>I am proud that I get to call you Comrade Hanson!!!
>>
>>>Warm Regards,
>>
>>>Comrade Lee
>>

>>Lee, I hate to break it to you, but this isn't communist China, and we don't
>>reward propaganda with better posts or positions.
>>
>>Max Kennedy
>>
>Max, please don't tell anyone this. This is just between
>you and me. But Ms.Lee was using irony here. First, she
>make the joke about Hanson's being a paid political
>operative of the DNC (being moved to the Old Executive
>Office Building). Then she made a joke on the people
>who think all Democrats are communists.
>
>I am only e-mailing you this instead of posting, because
>I don't want you to make the same mistake in the future.
>
>Sincerely yours,
>
>Gail

Thanks Gail. I keep forgetting that even slight subtlety can pass over
the heads of some of our fellow posters!

Regards

[Chris Kevlahan]

rha...@ix.netcom.com(Hanson) wrote:

>Tim Watson <tim...@cei.net> wrote:

>>Lindsey Lee wrote:
>>>
>>> rha...@ix.netcom.com (Hanson) wrote:
>>> >OBSCENITY AND VIOLENCE IS FINAL REFUGE
>>> >OF THE INCOMPETENT
>>> >
>>> >June 11, 1996
>>> >
>>> > Some interesting things are happening lately. More
>>> >than thirty black churches have been intentionally set
>>> >ablaze in the U.S. in the last year and a half. Here in
>>> >the newsgroups, obscenity and threats seem to be the
>>> >current "official" response of the right wing. Connection? I
>>> >think so.
>>>

>>> Mr. Hanson this is an EXCELLENT essay!!!!
>>>
>>> They should move you over to the speech writing department in the OEB!
>>> Your heavenly writing skills are being wasted doing this drudgery.
>>>
>>> I am proud that I get to call you Comrade Hanson!!!
>>>
>>> Warm Regards,
>>>
>>> Comrade Lee
>>
>>

>>Oh. That's a fatuous pile of self-deceiving hatred. It is illustrative of
>>everything that's wrong with leftist ideologues

>........ Of course it does. It illustrates that we don't agree with
>your views and that we have actual ideas instead of just knee-jerk
>reactions. No wonder you can't stand it, it's the antithesis of the
>philosophy of crabbiness that is all conservatism has ever boiled down
>to.

Here is the difference between Conservatism and Liberalism.

Its difficult to be a Conservative. In order to be a conservative one
must believe in something. Alas, to be a liberal one must only
disagree with conservatism.

Chris K.

[Hanson]

tri...@clemson.campus.mci.net (Chris Kevlahan) wrote:

Note how Chris simplistically takes my argument and coopts it as being
conservatism. This is the best example I can think of to illustrate
the bankrupt nature of conservative "thought." Devoid of their own
ideas, they general rant and insult the ideas of others. When the
more insightful listener accuses them of a paucity of intellectual
thought, they steal an idea from the opposite side of the spectrum and
label it as their own.

How obvious they have become.

[Hanson]

[Chris Kevlahan]

rha...@ix.netcom.com(Hanson) wrote:

>tri...@clemson.campus.mci.net (Chris Kevlahan) wrote:

Buahahahahaha Mr. Hanson , how little you pay attention. Providing
*spin* for the current administration must be taking up too much of
your time.

You must have missed President Clinton Co-opting Republican rhetoric
these past few weeks.

Let me direct you to an OP-ED piece I wrote about 6 weeks ago. In it,
I used that exact quote about the differences between liberals and
conservatives. If you persist, I'll torture you further with a
repost.

But take for example some of the Liberal rhetoric of late.

"Republicans want to starve our children."
"Republicans want to kill our elderely."
"Republicans want to destory our welfare and medicare system."

Mr. Hanson, you have become quite an embarressment to yourself and to
the real people who disagree with conservatism in an honest way.
You've been pretty well much reduced to one-liner ad hominem insults,
harping, and ad naseum arguments.

But to now claim that you are an 'insightfull reader' is pushing your
own credibility beyond reason.

Conservatives Co-opting liberal principles? Is that why the whole
country has shifted to the right? Is that why even the news media
noticed Bill Clinton co-opting conservative ideas?

No Mr. Hanson, do not try and disguise yourself as an 'insightfull
reader' How about and incitefull poster?

Chris K.

[Hanson]

tri...@clemson.campus.mci.net (Chris Kevlahan) wrote:

>rha...@ix.netcom.com(Hanson) wrote:
>
>>tri...@clemson.campus.mci.net (Chris Kevlahan) wrote:
>
>>>rha...@ix.netcom.com(Hanson) wrote:
>>>Here is the difference between Conservatism and Liberalism.
>>>
>>>Its difficult to be a Conservative. In order to be a conservative one
>>>must believe in something. Alas, to be a liberal one must only
>>>disagree with conservatism.
>
>>Note how Chris simplistically takes my argument and coopts it as being
>>conservatism. This is the best example I can think of to illustrate
>>the bankrupt nature of conservative "thought." Devoid of their own
>>ideas, they general rant and insult the ideas of others. When the
>>more insightful listener accuses them of a paucity of intellectual
>>thought, they steal an idea from the opposite side of the spectrum and
>>label it as their own.
>
>>How obvious they have become.
>
>Buahahahahaha Mr. Hanson , how little you pay attention.

How little you have to offer to the argument.

> Providing
>*spin* for the current administration must be taking up too much of
>your time.
>

>Conservatives Co-opting liberal principles? Is that why the whole
>country has shifted to the right?

It helps explain why Newt Gingrich and his Republican Congress have
turned into the most unpopular political group in modern polling
history.

RH

[Rosalee Thompson]

In article <4pus9t$g...@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Lindsey Lee <leel...@pilot.msu.edu> writes:

>Thanks Gail. I keep forgetting that even slight subtlety can pass over
>the heads of some of our fellow posters!

>Regards

Oh you silly boy, you and your academy standards. ;-)

Did you go the St Louis branch?

I've been to St Louis, but a looong time ago; the Arch sorta reminded me
of McDonald's, but when I got closer, didn't see any long lines, figured it
must not ba good place for burgers, so I left; went to Trader Vic's--you
been there? Guess it was kinda hard for you to go to a nice place, wone where
you can sit, since you had to pay your own expenses. You know, I was sorta
surprised when I read that--the Dems *are* cheap, and Clinton has $30M in his
War Chest? And, the $50K per plate (oh, $50,000) fund raiser--you could have
had a few good meals while there--also could've gone to a ballgame--I did, as
it was close to the Arch.

Oh, I'm just going on and on, but I mean if you and me have been to the same
city, well, I thought we could chat a bit--politics aside, you know.

Were you in class with Gail? I don't think Gail likes me very much, and I
don't know why. I was just concerned about a man for her, since she seemed to
worry a lot about things that didn't concern her, and I thought she might be,
well you know, "lonely"; but I guess not, she said she has a wealthy and
indulgent husband, also attentive and seems to be good to her--guess I just
misunderstood. There must be some other reason, but darned if I can figure
what it is. My husband is pretty good to me, but he has back problems, well he
says he has back problems--kinda hard to tell--but he retired "early", when he
was 33, darndest thing, the cab he was driving--the darned steering wheel came
off, he looked so funny sitting there with the wheel--I was with him, but in
the back seat--he never would let me ride up front--he was taking me to get my
"shots", I had this funny stuff aaal over my body, and had to take shots, so
he'd take me--anyway, he looked so funny with that steering wheel in both
hands, and I never could figure out how he hurt his back. Some Dr, I think his
name was Kelvoorkiat, a pathologist, got him the disability. We used to live
in Mich, you know, Battle Creek--ain't no creeks there--why do they call stuff
something like that, when --oh, you know.

Oh, I've gone on again. Come back anytime--

[Congenital Cow]

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needle:

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[Hanson]

Mad...@inbred.genepool.org (Congenital Cowflop) wrote:

>In article <31c2fb5...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,

tri...@clemson.campus.mci.net (Chris Kevlahan) wrote:

RH

[Gail Thaler]

mag...@worldnet.att.net (Jim Siler) wrote:
>Gail,
>This isn't e-mail, it's a post. E-mail is the one where the little
>smiley face says "You've got Mail!"
>

I was joking, but don't tell anyone. Let's just keep it a
secret between the two of us.

My e-mail thing is a rooster.

But getting back to Whitewater (hello, Wayne), Hubbell
didn't squeal, Lindsay didn't squeal. Is Michael Rivero
color-blind?

Gail

[Jim Siler]

On 16 Jun 1996 01:08:07 GMT, Gail Thaler <gth...@cs.com> wrote:

>mag...@worldnet.att.net (Jim Siler) wrote:
>>Gail,
>>This isn't e-mail, it's a post. E-mail is the one where the little
>>smiley face says "You've got Mail!"
>>
>I was joking, but don't tell anyone. Let's just keep it a
>secret between the two of us.
>

Let's see. Irony, right?

[Max Kennedy]

rha...@ix.netcom.com(Hanson) wrote:

>mag...@worldnet.att.net (Jim Siler) wrote:

>>Gail,
>>This isn't e-mail, it's a post. E-mail is the one where the little
>>smiley face says "You've got Mail!"

>Wow! Right Wingers really DON'T understand irony, do they?

Normal folks don't allow humor from people that do things like slander
them, cover up murders and bank robberies, support tapping phones of
1 out of every thousand americans, FBI enemies lists, monitoring of the
internet, burning churches and saying it's the murdered peoples faults, etc.etc
etc.

We don't find you guys that funny, but I'll laugh when you guys start
going to jail.

Max Kennedy

[Gail Thaler]

rha...@ix.netcom.com(Hanson) wrote:
>mag...@worldnet.att.net (Jim Siler) wrote:
>
>>Gail,
>>This isn't e-mail, it's a post. E-mail is the one where the little
>>smiley face says "You've got Mail!"
>
>Wow! Right Wingers really DON'T understand irony, do they?
>

>What can you expect from people who get their humor from seeing
>politicians beat up on the poor?
>

Richard, I hate to defend any right-wingers, especially
in the humor department. (generally speaking, irony is
wasted on them)

But in this case, Mr.Siler WAS joking.

It may have been a momentarily lapse, though. He didn't
"get" that my reply to him was meant to be ironic.

[Zepp]

In article <31C0A2...@inxpress.net>,

"John Q. Public" <capm...@inxpress.net> wrote:

> RIVERHEAD, N.Y. (Reuter) - Investigators uncovered an apparent
> plot to assassinate several local Long Island politicians with
> radioactive material, Suffolk County authorities said Thursday.
>

> District Attorney James Catterson told a news conference that
> two men had been arrested and charged with conspiracy to commit
> murder. The alleged plot was ``something out of a novel,'' he
> said, with radioactive material and weapons discovered in a house
> in Bellport, Long Island.
>
> ``The plot was where an individual so obsessed with hatred or
> mainstream political figures, who with ballistics people would
> spread radioactive material in the seat of his car, in his food
> or some proximity to him in the hope that he would contract
> incurable diseases and cause his death,'' Catterson said.
>
It's too bad Despicable snipped the rest of this. It's so ludicrous it's
hilarious. How, for example, does a "Ballistics" person put radioactive
material in a car seat? That is, why a Ballistics person? Can't a cab
driver do it just as well? Or were they proposing to use an ICBM to put the
radioactive material in the car seat?

And what "radioactive material"? A couple of NRA goofs aren't going to get
their hands on any plutonium. So were talking about radioactive iodine, or
perhaps barium.

******************************************************************************
There ain't nuthin' dumber on this green earth than an American Republican.

They don't think you can be trusted with the vote, or to control your own
genitals. They don't think you're mature enough to handle books with dirty
words in them, or free access to the Net. They don't trust your kids to
stay on track unless subjected to religious indoctrination, even in school.
In fact, they think public education is a privilege, not a right. They
don't think you're worth half what they pay you, and want you to find your
own medical insurance. They don't trust you to decide when to have kids,
or when it's time to die.

What makes that so dumb? Nothing. That's just heartless, vicious, and in
the end, self-defeating.

What make them so ever-loving DUMB is that they want you to have GUNS. Lots
of guns. So when you get fed up with the lies and abuse, you can shoot them.

Either they are involved in the most complicated suicide in history,
or they are very dumb.

[Gail Thaler]

disc...@crl.com (William R. Discipio Jr) wrote:

>Jim Siler (mag...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
>: Gail,
>: This isn't e-mail, it's a post. E-mail is the one where the little
>: smiley face says "You've got Mail!"
>

>She knows that. She can be quite humorous at times (when she's not
>apologizing for her racist friend Jim Kennemur, that is).
>

Jim Siler was joking, William.

I believe you have insulted the intelligence of your own
side, again.

William can be very nonpartisan when it comes to his obsession
with me and Jim. And also quite humorless.

[Hanson]

mken...@iglou.com (Max Kennedy) wrote:

>rha...@ix.netcom.com(Hanson) wrote:

>
>>mag...@worldnet.att.net (Jim Siler) wrote:
>
>>>Gail,
>>>This isn't e-mail, it's a post. E-mail is the one where the little
>>>smiley face says "You've got Mail!"
>

>>Wow! Right Wingers really DON'T understand irony, do they?
>

>Normal folks don't allow humor from people that do things like slander
>them, cover up murders and bank robberies, support tapping phones of
>1 out of every thousand americans, FBI enemies lists, monitoring of the
>internet, burning churches and saying it's the murdered peoples faults, etc.etc
>etc.

1. Most of the lies and outrages that have been going on lately are
occuring right here on the net and are perpetrated by right wing
political goons such as yourself.

2. You're not normal. Subnormal, maybe. Normal? No.

RH

"Unmarked Helicopters...hovering,
The Lord is coming soon.
Unmarked Helicopters...hovering,
They said it was a weather balloon."

From "Songs In The Key of X"

[Hanson]

tri...@clemson.campus.mci.net (Chris Kevlahan) wrote:

>Here is the difference between Conservatism and Liberalism.
>
>Its difficult to be a Conservative. In order to be a conservative one
>must believe in something. Alas, to be a liberal one must only
>disagree with conservatism.

Note how Chris simplistically takes my argument and coopts it as being
conservatism. This is the best example I can think of to illustrate
the bankrupt nature of conservative "thought." Devoid of their own
ideas, they general rant and insult the ideas of others. When the
more insightful listener accuses them of a paucity of intellectual
thought, they steal an idea from the opposite side of the spectrum and
label it as their own.

How obvious they have become.

RH

[Hanson]

tri...@clemson.campus.mci.net (Chris Kevlahan) wrote:

[William Barwell]

In article <31c458d3...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,

Hanson <rha...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>tri...@clemson.campus.mci.net (Chris Kevlahan) wrote:

****************** Deleted ******************

>>
>>
>>
>>Here is the difference between Conservatism and Liberalism.
>>
>>Its difficult to be a Conservative. In order to be a conservative one
>>must believe in something. Alas, to be a liberal one must only
>>disagree with conservatism.
>
>Note how Chris simplistically takes my argument and coopts it as being
>conservatism. This is the best example I can think of to illustrate
>the bankrupt nature of conservative "thought." Devoid of their own
>ideas, they general rant and insult the ideas of others. When the
>more insightful listener accuses them of a paucity of intellectual
>thought, they steal an idea from the opposite side of the spectrum and
>label it as their own.
>
>How obvious they have become.

Interesting to note, if nothing ever chenged, we would all be
conservatives but would not know it having no need to notice.
But things do change. Some people do wish to progress beyond our present
state. This gave rise to what we call, liberalism.
And this drove reactionaries, that is conservatism, to try to halt the
changes. Of course not all change is good, nor all reactions to change.
But The facetious daffynition of conservatism above is seen as fales and
polemical when you consider, both the 'liberalism' that causes change has
beliefs, as does the conservatism that opposes such changes.

One thing both sides can agree on, is that empty headed and bitter
word games such as offered by Kevlahan are empty and useless except for
showing he has run out of useful arguments worth hearing.

Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope Of Houston
Slack!

[Zepp]

In article <DsxGu...@iglou.com>, mken...@iglou.com (Max Kennedy) wrote:
>Lindsey Lee <leel...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:

>Lee, I hate to break it to you, but this isn't communist China, and we don't
>reward propaganda with better posts or positions.

So how come an unemployed radio bum makes $25 million/year these days?

[Hanson]

Martin McPhillips <abig...@inx.net> wrote:

>
>CLINTOON CRACK

Martin McPhillips <abig...@inx.net> wrote:

>
>CLINTOON CRACK.......

NEWS FLASH

*************************************************

MARTIN MCPHILLIPS RETURNS FROM LATEST SECLUSION AT BETTY FORD CLINIC.

by JerQ Pubic

Daily Starr

Friday, June 14, 1996

WASHINGTON --- In what was described as a "surprise move" that
caused yawns among Democrats everywhere, Martin McPhillips, noted
Internet psychotic and self-described writer was released today from
the Betty Ford Clinic where he was undergoing his 56th. treatment for
substance abuse.
When asked for a comment on his latest personality seizure,
the unpopular McPhillips commented "shit, Dick!, killfile, crack Ho!,
Whore, Dick!"
GOP House Speaker Newt Gingrich called a newsconference early
this morning. "I don't know him," said the Speaker. "I don't know
him and I don't want to know him."

MARTIN McPHILLIPS BECAME a minor celebrity in the world of
internet newsgroups when he shifted from writing coherent if pointless
articles in English to a strategy involving bizarre personality
shifts, articles composed primarily of four-letter expletives, and
[intentionally?] childish rants aimed primarily at another newsgroup
writer, R. Hanson, a noted progressive political internet columnist.
"I've come to feel that just being Martin McPhillips is it's
own punishment," said Hanson when asked for his reaction to
McPhillip's return. "And he's certainly been a boost to the fortunes
of the progressive philosophy on the internet. Most readers don't
even bother to worry about issues anymore. They just read one or two
of Martin's Hate Articles and vote Democratic."

AT THE BETTY FORD CLINIC, Dr. Adolf Strangelove expressed
concern over McPhillips' future. "We've pumped him full of everything
we can. Herr McPhillips is a very interesting case. He seemed
perfectly willing to submit to a brain biopsy. So far all of our
efforts to find something in his skull to analyse have failed, though.
I doubt very much if he is ready to function in the outside world, but
his history suggests that he hasn't spent much time out of the
institutional setting. I'm keeping his room ready."

GOP presidential nominee, Bob Dole, when informed of
McPhillips' early release said "Bob Dole doesn't know any Martin
McPhillips....he's ... out there. Bob Dole doesn't want to make any
comment. Bob Dole is running for President. Bob Dole has been tested
and tested." Dole's comments came while the ex-senator was speaking
at a "Tarzan" Film Festival in Topeka, Kansas. The senator plans on
making several changes in the party platform based on Johnny
Weismuller's speech patterns. Popular radio and television talk-show
host, Rush Limbaugh, when informed of McPhillips' return had "no
comment," but a source close to Limbaugh reported that "Rush wept
openly at the news. And they weren't tears of joy, if you know what I
mean."

Unidentified "aides" to McPhillips say that he plans even more
surprising and outragous articles than he has posted in past days.
"He'll keep writing as long as we can spell the words out for him,"
said one source who prefers to remain anonymous. "Shit, fuck,
crackwhore, Hate Hate Hate, Dick, clusterfuck!" agreed McPhillips
while an aide rushed to get McPhillips' droolcup in place.

DISSOCIATED PRESS 1996
REPRINTED BY PERMISSION

[Martin McPhillips]

CLINTOON CRACK KING DICK!'S COMA BLOWS WHOLE OPERATION

CIRCLE OF FEAR AMONG DR. NORMAN AND STAFF
SAY DICK! IS NOISY WITNESS TO HISTORY

SENATOR WYDEN SUDDENLY UNAVAILABLE FOR HAIR CLUB

DR. LEON BEING FLOWN IN TO SOUND OF HANDCUFFS
CLOSING; NURSE ALLISON TO GIVE DICK! HIS LAST KISS

ONCE PARTNERS IN POWER; SAD LITTLE TEAM
OF OPERATORS NOW LOOK AT REAL TIME

> rha...@ix.netcom.com(Hanson) writes:
> tri...@clemson.campus.mci.net (Chris Kevlahan) wrote:
>

> >rha...@ix.netcom.com(Hanson) wrote:
> >
> >>tri...@clemson.campus.mci.net (Chris Kevlahan) wrote:
> >

> >>>rha...@ix.netcom.com(Hanson) wrote:
> >>>Here is the difference between Conservatism and Liberalism.
> >>>
> >>>Its difficult to be a Conservative. In order to be a conservative one
> >>>must believe in something. Alas, to be a liberal one must only
> >>>disagree with conservatism.
> >
> >>Note how Chris simplistically takes my argument and coopts it as being
> >>conservatism. This is the best example I can think of to illustrate
> >>the bankrupt nature of conservative "thought." Devoid of their own
> >>ideas, they general rant and insult the ideas of others. When the
> >>more insightful listener accuses them of a paucity of intellectual
> >>thought, they steal an idea from the opposite side of the spectrum and
> >>label it as their own.
> >
> >>How obvious they have become.
> >

[Wayne Mann]

Gail Thaler <gth...@cs.com> wrote:

>mken...@iglou.com (Max Kennedy) wrote:
>>Lindsey Lee <leel...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
>>

>>>rha...@ix.netcom.com (Hanson) wrote:
>>
>>>Mr. Hanson this is an EXCELLENT essay!!!!
>>
>>>They should move you over to the speech writing department in the OEB!
>>>Your heavenly writing skills are being wasted doing this drudgery.
>>
>>>I am proud that I get to call you Comrade Hanson!!!
>>
>>>Warm Regards,
>>
>>>Comrade Lee
>>

>>Lee, I hate to break it to you, but this isn't communist China, and we don't
>>reward propaganda with better posts or positions.
>>

>>Max Kennedy
>>
>Max, please don't tell anyone this. This is just between
>you and me. But Ms.Lee was using irony here. First, she
>make the joke about Hanson's being a paid political
>operative of the DNC (being moved to the Old Executive
>Office Building). Then she made a joke on the people
>who think all Democrats are communists.

>I am only e-mailing you this instead of posting, because
>I don't want you to make the same mistake in the future.

>Sincerely yours,

>Gail

>--What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and
>the value of nothing.
> Oscar Wilde

Gee, I sure am glad you e-mailed this instead of
crossposting it to:
alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,
alt.fan.newt-gingrich,
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
alt.fan.dan-quayle,
talk.politics.misc,
alt.activism,
alt.politics.democrats.d,
alt.dear.whitehouse

Of course you told me several times that you don't
crosspost?

Many headers trimmed down to ONE, why didn't you?

\\/ayne //\ann

"Why can't the Jews and Arabs just sit down together
and settle this like good Christians"
said Arthur Balfour

[Wayne Mann]

Gail Thaler <gth...@cs.com> wrote:

>disc...@crl.com (William R. Discipio Jr) wrote:

>>Jim Siler (mag...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
>>: Gail,
>>: This isn't e-mail, it's a post. E-mail is the one where the little
>>: smiley face says "You've got Mail!"
>>

>>She knows that. She can be quite humorous at times (when she's not
>>apologizing for her racist friend Jim Kennemur, that is).
>>
>Jim Siler was joking, William.

>I believe you have insulted the intelligence of your own
>side, again.

>William can be very nonpartisan when it comes to his obsession
>with me and Jim. And also quite humorless.

>--What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and

>the value of nothing.
> Oscar Wilde

A better question. What is an arrogant idot? SOmeone who
insists on crossposting to non-interested or appropriate
newsgroups, but just do it to be disruptive.

Mnay newsgroups timmed down to ONE, why didn't you?

[Martin McPhillips]

KING OF THE CLINTOON CRACK WHORES DICK!
SPEAKS OF BILL'S LOSS OF EMPATHY FROM COMA STATE

MUTTERINGS PUT NATIONAL SECURITY AT STAKE

DOCTORS GRIMHAUR, BENWAY, AND LEON
SAY HIGH RISK THAT DICK! WILL SEE AN ALL-BAD BILL

SICK DICK! STILL LIMP FROM NEW DRUG THERAPY

CALLS FOR "KAY" AND SCREAMS OF SABOTAGE

SAYS THAT SHADOWS INSIDE BED PAN ARE HIS ALLIES

COMA TALK HAS CEMENT TRUCKS VERY ACTIVE

> rha...@ix.netcom.com(Hanson) writes:
> Martin McPhillips <abig...@inx.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >CLINTOON CRACK
>
> Martin McPhillips <abig...@inx.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >CLINTOON CRACK.......
>
> NEWS FLASH
>
> *************************************************
>
> MARTIN MCPHILLIPS RETURNS FROM LATEST SECLUSION AT BETTY FORD CLINIC.
>
> by JerQ Pubic
>
> Daily Starr
>
> Friday, June 14, 1996

[NOTE: In and out of clinics, Dick! feels safe using the name
of his last friend in the world. It's okay, Dick! --MMcP]

[Wayne Mann]

wj...@mindspring.com (Billy Beck) wrote:

> Here's a post that I will not snip the headers on, Wayne.

> This must go out far & wide.

>mken...@iglou.com (Max Kennedy) wrote:

>>Ironically, I was just searching for this magazine
>>on the Web when Billy Beck posted this story. I wanted to see if they had any
>>historical articles on Sir Edward Cook or any other pre 1800 writers on English
>>law.

> Write to FEE, Max. I don't think that you will find what you are
>looking for, online. They can certainly point out your vector,
>though.

> (snip me)

>> (free clues -

>> http://WWW.PG.NET/fee/index.htm
>> http://www.self-gov.org/freeman/freeman.htm)

> Have you visited these sites yet?

> The FEE site isn't what I might hope for from that institution. I
>beat the bushes for a long time to find them, and was moderately
>disappointed at what I found. On the other hand, I really should get
>off my ass and send them whatever they want for a subscription to The
>Freeman. My dad once sent them about $25 or so (over 20 years ago),
>and they sent him The Freeman for *years* afterward. They used to
>send it out for free.

> To all who don't know what we're talking about:

> "FEE" is the Foundation for Economic Education. They have been in
>business since 1946, quietly and ardently going about the difficult
>task of defending liberty and free markets in a serious and scholarly
>manner. The Freeman is their flagship publication; a gold-mine of
>diligently researched rational argument against the multi-various
>incursions of government against your liberty. There is nothing
>shrill about them. They are steadfastly rational, and maintain a
>lovely campus at Irvington-on-Hudson, N.Y., where they offer a variety
>of programs for serious students. The Foundation was established by
>Leonard Read, and guided for many years by Ludwig von Mises.

> The second URL, above, is the Advocates for Self-Government index of
>articles from The Freeman, presumably published with permission from
>FEE. It is presented for the benefit of those who would care to
>consider the implications of Dan Rather's vicious and irresponsible
>smear of The Freeman in association with "militias".

> Go see for yourself what The Freeman is all about.

>(me)

>>There is *no way* to regard Dan Rather as anything but an Amerikan apparatchik.
>>No way.

>(Max)

>>Every once in awhile it takes a little story like this to remind me exactly WHO
>>you are siding with, and how these people and these lies would love to throw me
>>and my family in the camps.

> Agreed.

> Swopa:

> What Rather did was certainly criminal in effect, if not strictly
>according to statute. This was the most flagrant *lie* that I have
>ever seen him drool. If he is not aware of FEE or The Freeman, then
>he has absolutely no business being on the air. FEE is well known to
>anyone who has been paying serious attention to political affairs in
>America over the past 50 years. Its reputation is well-established
>and beyond any hint of reproach.

> In the very least: if he really was not aware of FEE (unbelievable!),
>he should immediately devote whatever time is necessary to disclaiming
>his grievous error, with a detailed report explicating the differences
>between the good work of FEE and the comparatively adolescent history
>of the militias, whom he so irresponsibly associated with FEE.

> I don't believe it, though.

> It is clear to me that Dan Rather took a darkly serendipitous
>opportunity to reinforce the *fear* that he works so hard to incite
>throughout the land. We already know that the targets of the
>conspiracy on which he reported were *Republicans*. (He never said a
>word about that.) Ever the yeoman statist, Rather cannot abide the
>merest hint of intellectual rebellion against his concepts of
>"society", and will do anything necessary or possible to smear even
>the most peaceful and scholarly advocates of liberty into dangerous
>fire-bombers. The purpose is to gather the un-critical or
>ill-informed into a huddle of shivering terror. He will leave no lie
>un-aired in the process. The opportunity presented by discovery of a
>publication whose name could be linked with the situation in Montana,
>by means of a three-second visual, in the hands of evidently dangerous
>conspirators, was simply perfect to his purpose.

> If there is another explanation for this outrage, I would be happy to
>hear it from the germ in question.

> Upon being convinced of its veracity, I would be abject in my apology.

> Until then, I maintain that Dan Rather carries on the dubious and
>criminal traditions of Tokyo Rose, Hanoi Hannah, and every other
>consciousless slug who ever took up a microphone in service of
>tyrrany.

>Billy

>http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/free/essays.html
>"Anthology"

Why doesn't everone send a little message to them. Just use
copy and paste and use this for an e-mail address:

remote-printer.CBS/60_Mi...@5.7.9.6.7.5.7.2.1.2.1.tpc.int

If you will use this as an e-mail address the message will
get to him. Thank you.

Many headers trimmed, hy doesn't everyone?

[Brian]

On Sun, 16 Jun 96 19:24:07 GMT, ze...@snowcrest.net (Zepp) wrote:

>In article <DsxGu...@iglou.com>, mken...@iglou.com (Max Kennedy) wrote:
>>Lindsey Lee <leel...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
>
>>Lee, I hate to break it to you, but this isn't communist China, and we don't
>>reward propaganda with better posts or positions.
>

>So how come an unemployed radio bum makes $25 million/year these days?
>
>******************************************************************************
>There ain't nuthin' dumber on this green earth than an American Republican.
>
>They don't think you can be trusted with the vote, or to control your own
>genitals. They don't think you're mature enough to handle books with dirty
>words in them, or free access to the Net. They don't trust your kids to
>stay on track unless subjected to religious indoctrination, even in school.
>In fact, they think public education is a privilege, not a right. They
>don't think you're worth half what they pay you, and want you to find your
>own medical insurance. They don't trust you to decide when to have kids,
>or when it's time to die.
>
>What makes that so dumb? Nothing. That's just heartless, vicious, and in
>the end, self-defeating.
>
>What make them so ever-loving DUMB is that they want you to have GUNS. Lots
>of guns. So when you get fed up with the lies and abuse, you can shoot them.
>
>Either they are involved in the most complicated suicide in history,
>or they are very dumb.

Zepp has been found to be related to a number of odd individuals:

1)The Unabomb {er}
2) Dan Qualye
3) Adolph Hitler

[Max Kennedy]

On Sun, 16 Jun 96 19:24:07 GMT, ze...@snowcrest.net (Zepp) wrote:

>>In article <DsxGu...@iglou.com>, mken...@iglou.com (Max Kennedy) wrote:
> Lindsey Lee <leel...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>Lee, I hate to break it to you, but this isn't communist China, and we don't
>>>reward propaganda with better posts or positions.
>>

******************************************************************************
>>There ain't nuthin' dumber on this green earth than an American Republican.

I'm not a Republican. My shots of the earth from the L5 society makes it look
more blue.

>>They don't think you can be trusted with the vote,

I'm not aware of any current suffrage issues in this country.

>> or to control your own genitals.

Fuck who you want, repeal the sodomy laws, and pay YOURSELF for whatever
diseases you pick up.

>They don't think you're mature enough to handle books with dirty words in them

Get rid of all the censship. This includes the Canadian problems, the movement
to eliminate "illegal" information like military information, drug making, payed
government propaganda to distort information, the FBI library watch program, and
abolish the FCC.

>, or free access to the Net.

The net costs baby. While it's real cheap because of a free market, about $20
a month, it still costs. Beats all to hell the time when we had a government
forced monopoly in the phone company, and the government running the internet,
where you had to be rich, had a friend with a few extra accounts lying around,
or phreak your way into access heaven.

>>They don't trust your kids to stay on track unless subjected to religious indoctrination

This isn't political.

>>, even in school.

Sell the schools.

>>In fact, they think public education is a privilege, not a right. They

Damn! Shock! Here I thought Life, Liberty, and Property were the
fundamental rights. I'd have a hard time fitting "public indoctrination"
into that, because it requires me to take property from one person and
give it to anouther, violating a fundamental right. This according to
the American and French revolution, Blackstone, and every general
principle of freedom and law. But hey, I didn't get that from a public school
system. Wonder why?

I learn quicker on my own, and the school system has always hindered
my ability to learn. And it's basically the same with every intelligent person
I have met.

>>don't think you're worth half what they pay you, and want you to find your
>>own medical insurance.

Horrors! You'd have to take care of yourself! You'd have to be..
self-sufficent. An adult! You'd have to make a choice! Thinking!
Ugh! Find your own insurance? Help! Momma! Big Brother! Uncle!

>They don't trust you to decide when to have kids,

See Communist China, above.

>>or when it's time to die.

Promise?

>>What makes that so dumb? Nothing. That's just heartless, vicious, and in
>>the end, self-defeating.

It's MEAN! Mean to think a person should work, or even worse, that work is
the highest virtue. Cruel! Heartless! Don't make me go to work, momma,
it's mean!

>>What make them so ever-loving DUMB is that they want you to have GUNS. Lots
>>of guns. So when you get fed up with the lies and abuse, you can shoot them.

Nope, I want to have guns. To protect my property from dishonest thieves such
as yourself.

>>Either they are involved in the most complicated suicide in history,
>>or they are very dumb.

Get off my back, leech, and out of my way. The ground sinks underneath the
weight of my guns, the flowers wilt from their glint, and I'm in an ill mood.
50% of my income is disappearing someplace, and I'm on a hunting expedition.
There's a predator out there someplace stealing most of my sheep and I hope it
isn't you.

Max Kennedy

[Congenital Cow]

In article <31c358a...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
rha...@ix.netcom.com(Hanson) put down his Polaroid camera long enough to
rasp:

(doggy poo deleted)

> RH
> "The Neo-conservatives don't really have ideas.
> They have irritable mental gestures that substitute
> for ideas."
> Lionel Trilling

=============

Hanson,

Please provide us with the titles of your novels and short stories, that
we may better appreciate your fine ideas. Who published these fine works?

Also, does your Moral Philosophy provide solutions to such modern problems as:
1. The use of animals in AIDS research?
2. The use of animal-organ transplants in AIDS treatment?

Mr Getty, the AIDS patient who received a baboon marrow transplant, would
be interested in your position - the same Mr Getty who has been receiving
hate mail and threats via phone calls (both Federal offenses) from Animal
Rights activists.

"Immature artists imitate. Mature artists steal." - Lionel Trilling

Toodles..

--
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////// ' \/ ` ---- * ".....Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women;
//// / // : :\ --- * when it dies there, no constitution, no law,
\\/ / * / /: :\'--* no court can save it......"
\/ * //......\\ - Judge Learned Hand
------UU----UU-------------------------------------------------------
'//||\\` IT TAKES A JURY.
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"How did an allegedly free people spawn a vast, rampant cuttlefish of dominion
with its tentacles in every orifice of the body politic?" - P.J. O'Rourke

[Russell Pinkham]

> ==========
> alt/current-events.clinton.whitewater #1441, from Chris_Kevlahan,
3246 chars, Sat 15 Jun 1996 22:32:36
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>
> rha...@ix.netcom.com(Hanson) wrote:
>
> >tri...@clemson.campus.mci.net (Chris Kevlahan) wrote:
>
> >>rha...@ix.netcom.com(Hanson) wrote:
> >>Here is the difference between Conservatism and Liberalism.
> >>
> >>Its difficult to be a Conservative. In order to be a conservative
one
> >>must believe in something. Alas, to be a liberal one must only
> >>disagree with conservatism.

If you are refering to republicans as conservative I would like to note
they only claim to be economically conservative but they are morally
liberal (Rush himself is MORALLY LIBERAL)

While the demos are accused of being economically liberal, they are
very much morally conservative.

If you doubt this take some political science classes.

> >Note how Chris simplistically takes my argument and coopts it as
being
> >conservatism. This is the best example I can think of to illustrate
> >the bankrupt nature of conservative "thought." Devoid of their own
> >ideas, they general rant and insult the ideas of others. When the
> >more insightful listener accuses them of a paucity of intellectual
> >thought, they steal an idea from the opposite side of the spectrum
and
> >label it as their own.
>
> >How obvious they have become.
>

> Buahahahahaha Mr. Hanson , how little you pay attention. Providing

> *spin* for the current administration must be taking up too much of
> your time.
>

> You must have missed President Clinton Co-opting Republican rhetoric
> these past few weeks.

PARDON ME you must have been asleep for the past 20 years!!!

> Let me direct you to an OP-ED piece I wrote about 6 weeks ago. In
it,
> I used that exact quote about the differences between liberals and
> conservatives. If you persist, I'll torture you further with a
> repost.
>
> But take for example some of the Liberal rhetoric of late.
>
> "Republicans want to starve our children."
> "Republicans want to kill our elderely."
> "Republicans want to destory our welfare and medicare system."
>
> Mr. Hanson, you have become quite an embarressment to yourself and to
> the real people who disagree with conservatism in an honest way.
> You've been pretty well much reduced to one-liner ad hominem insults,
> harping, and ad naseum arguments.
>
> But to now claim that you are an 'insightfull reader' is pushing your
> own credibility beyond reason.
>

> Conservatives Co-opting liberal principles? Is that why the whole
> country has shifted to the right?

Seems you could use some help from the libertarians as to where your
party really stands. POLITICALLY everyone is to the left!!

> Is that why even the news media
> noticed Bill Clinton co-opting conservative ideas?
>
> No Mr. Hanson, do not try and disguise yourself as an 'insightfull
> reader' How about and incitefull poster?
>
> Chris K.
>

rp

[Gail Thaler]

>Were you in class with Gail? I don't think Gail likes me very much, and I
>don't know why. I was just concerned about a man for her, since she seemed to
>worry a lot about things that didn't concern her, and I thought she might be,
>well you know, "lonely"; but I guess not, she said she has a wealthy and
>indulgent husband, also attentive and seems to be good to her--guess I just
>misunderstood. There must be some other reason, but darned if I can figure
>what it is.

Why, Roz, except for the fact that you have a fresh mouth,
you seem to like to make personally insulting remarks, and
you are just a knee-jerk Clinton (Hillary, Bill and Chelsea),
I don't have a problem with you at all.

I would advise that you ask your physician for another
type of medication, though.

Side effects.

[Gail Thaler]

mag...@worldnet.att.net (Jim Siler) wrote:
>On 16 Jun 1996 01:08:07 GMT, Gail Thaler <gth...@cs.com> wrote:
>

>>mag...@worldnet.att.net (Jim Siler) wrote:
>>>Gail,
>>>This isn't e-mail, it's a post. E-mail is the one where the little
>>>smiley face says "You've got Mail!"
>>>

>>I was joking, but don't tell anyone. Let's just keep it a
>>secret between the two of us.
>>
>Let's see. Irony, right?

Well in the sense that is extremely self-referential, yes.

Strict literalists would say no. (You know who you are!!)

In any case, your humor skills are picking up, Jim. Next
thing you know, you will be "getting" The Family Circus.

[Gail Thaler]

mken...@iglou.com (Max Kennedy) wrote:

>rha...@ix.netcom.com(Hanson) wrote:
>
>>mag...@worldnet.att.net (Jim Siler) wrote:
>
>>>Gail,
>>>This isn't e-mail, it's a post. E-mail is the one where the little
>>>smiley face says "You've got Mail!"
>

>>Wow! Right Wingers really DON'T understand irony, do they?
>
>Normal folks don't allow humor from people that do things like slander
>them, cover up murders and bank robberies, support tapping phones of
>1 out of every thousand americans, FBI enemies lists, monitoring of the
>internet, burning churches and saying it's the murdered peoples faults, etc.etc
>etc.
>

>We don't find you guys that funny, but I'll laugh when you guys start
>going to jail.
>
>Max Kennedy
>
>

>>Wow! Right Wingers really DON'T understand irony, do they?

[William R. Discipio Jr]

Gail Thaler (gth...@cs.com) wrote:

: William can be very nonpartisan when it comes to his obsession

: with me and Jim. And also quite humorless.

I don't find racial slurs 'funny.'

: --What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and

: the value of nothing.
: Oscar Wilde

--
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Plus Jim [Kennemur] does not call all blacks he disagrees with house
niggers Jim [Kennemur] calls house niggers that he disagrees with house
niggers. Big difference Dippy." -- Shawn Smith <ssh...@ccsi.com>

[Garry N. Ray]

rha...@ix.netcom.com(Hanson) wrote:

simplistically
bankrupt
"thought."
Devoid
rant
insult the ideas
insightful
paucity
steal
label
obvious

[Gail Thaler]

From the Philadelphia Inquirer

In days gone by, scandals were big
Whitewater is a droplet compared to Credit Mobilier or Teapot
Dome.

By Ross K. Baker
One of the more intriguing aspects of the Whitewater scandal, which
recently claimed its first
victims when Arkansas Gov. Jim Guy Tucker and Clinton pals James and
Susan Macdougal were
convicted by a Little Rock jury, is its utterly trivial nature when
compared to scandals of the past
such as the Credit Mobilier scam and the Teapot Dome affair. It's not
even a discrete event, like the
Watergate burglary, but a thicket of occurrences that bear little
relationship to one another except
for the fact that Bill and Hillary Clinton were involved.

Perhaps to pique public interest in an otherwise unfathomable tangle of
casually related events, the
Republicans and the media have come up with a kind of horse and rabbit
stew, the ingredients of
which are the land deal itself, some campaign finance irregularities in
Arkansas, the Vince Foster
suicide, and Mrs. Clinton's billing records when she worked for the Rose
Law Firm, muttered an
incantation over it and dubbed it ``Whitewater.'' Individually, the sins
are pretty venial;
collectively, they are simply baffling to minds not familiar with the
legal mysteries. And, as
American political scandals go, pretty small potatoes.

If you really like scandals, try this one: A dummy corporation is set up
to perform the construction
work for the Union Pacific Railroad, and proceeds to inflate the costs
and divert the profits to some
of the promoters of the scheme.

When some members of Congress get wind of it and threaten an
investigation, the promoters
reward the vice president of the United States, a future president, and
a number of House members
and senators with company stock to induce them to drop the
investigation. This outrageous abuse
of the public trust known as the Credit Mobilier scandal rocked the
nation in 1872, resulted in
disgrace for many public figures and cast a shadow on the career of Rep.
James A. Garfield of
Ohio -- but not so deep as to block his election to the presidency in
1880. Or how about a secretary
of the Navy who transfers some underground oil deposits in Wyoming that
have served as fuel
reserves for the U.S. fleet to a corrupt secretary of the interior who
then leases them at a
concessionary price to an oil company who rewards the cabinet members
with bribes? Even if you
read the most dire implications into Whitewater, it doesn't approximate
the Teapot Dome scandal of
1921. Even some of the scandals more limited in scope, such as the one
that enveloped President
Eisenhower's chief of staff Sherman Adams, are more the stuff of
tabloids than Whitewater.
Adams interceded with the Securities and Exchange Commission on behalf
of a Boston financier.
His payoff: a couple of dinners and an overcoat. But here was influence
peddling right next door to
the Oval Office that could be ascertained without a criminological
safari in search of latent
fingerprints on old billing records.

With Watergate there was burglary that might well have been sanctioned
by the White House and
was certainly the subject of a presidential coverup. There was flagrant
and willful flouting of the
Constitution.

A decade later, Ollie North and his band of brigands violated the Boland
Act and the Arms Export
Control Act as well as a provision of the Constitution that prohibits
money being spent except
pursuant to a lawful appropriation by Congress. These were
transgressions that required no
commentary or embellishment to cause ordinary citizens to be aroused. To
follow Whitewater's
twists and turns, you need a libretto, and even then it isn't clear what
the Clintons did that was so
terribly wrong.

Perhaps the test we ought to apply to political scandals is one that
accords with the media-intensive
age in which we live, and the test is this: Would anyone in Hollywood
ever make a movie of it?
Whitewater would not be the blockbuster movie of this or any summer, and
there certainly would
never be a Whitewater II.

Ross K. Baker, the author of ``House and Senate,'' teaches political
science at Rutgers.

[Amar Dev Sarwal]

In article <4q4j0d$1...@news0-alterdial.uu.net>, Gail Thaler
<gth...@cs.com> wrote:

@From the Philadelphia Inquirer
@
@
@ In days gone by, scandals were big
@ Whitewater is a droplet compared to Credit Mobilier or Teapot
@ Dome.
@
@By Ross K. Baker
@One of the more intriguing aspects of the Whitewater scandal, which
@recently claimed its first
@victims when Arkansas Gov. Jim Guy Tucker and Clinton pals James and
@Susan Macdougal were
@convicted by a Little Rock jury, is its utterly trivial nature when
@compared to scandals of the past
@such as the Credit Mobilier scam and the Teapot Dome affair. It's not
@even a discrete event, like the
@Watergate burglary, but a thicket of occurrences that bear little
@relationship to one another except
@for the fact that Bill and Hillary Clinton were involved.
@
@Perhaps to pique public interest in an otherwise unfathomable tangle of
@casually related events, the
@Republicans and the media have come up with a kind of horse and rabbit
@stew, the ingredients of
@which are the land deal itself, some campaign finance irregularities in
@Arkansas, the Vince Foster
@suicide, and Mrs. Clinton's billing records when she worked for the Rose
@Law Firm, muttered an
@incantation over it and dubbed it ``Whitewater.'' Individually, the sins
@are pretty venial;
@collectively, they are simply baffling to minds not familiar with the
@legal mysteries. And, as
@American political scandals go, pretty small potatoes.
@
@If you really like scandals, try this one: A dummy corporation is set up
@to perform the construction
@work for the Union Pacific Railroad, and proceeds to inflate the costs
@and divert the profits to some
@of the promoters of the scheme.
@
@When some members of Congress get wind of it and threaten an
@investigation, the promoters
@reward the vice president of the United States, a future president, and
@a number of House members
@and senators with company stock to induce them to drop the
@investigation. This outrageous abuse
@of the public trust known as the Credit Mobilier scandal rocked the
@nation in 1872, resulted in
@disgrace for many public figures and cast a shadow on the career of Rep.
@James A. Garfield of
@Ohio -- but not so deep as to block his election to the presidency in
@1880. Or how about a secretary
@of the Navy who transfers some underground oil deposits in Wyoming that
@have served as fuel
@reserves for the U.S. fleet to a corrupt secretary of the interior who
@then leases them at a
@concessionary price to an oil company who rewards the cabinet members
@with bribes? Even if you
@read the most dire implications into Whitewater, it doesn't approximate
@the Teapot Dome scandal of
@1921. Even some of the scandals more limited in scope, such as the one
@that enveloped President
@Eisenhower's chief of staff Sherman Adams, are more the stuff of
@tabloids than Whitewater.
@Adams interceded with the Securities and Exchange Commission on behalf
@of a Boston financier.
@His payoff: a couple of dinners and an overcoat. But here was influence
@peddling right next door to
@the Oval Office that could be ascertained without a criminological
@safari in search of latent
@fingerprints on old billing records.
@
@With Watergate there was burglary that might well have been sanctioned
@by the White House and
@was certainly the subject of a presidential coverup. There was flagrant
@and willful flouting of the
@Constitution.
@
@A decade later, Ollie North and his band of brigands violated the Boland
@Act and the Arms Export
@Control Act as well as a provision of the Constitution that prohibits
@money being spent except
@pursuant to a lawful appropriation by Congress. These were
@transgressions that required no
@commentary or embellishment to cause ordinary citizens to be aroused. To
@follow Whitewater's
@twists and turns, you need a libretto, and even then it isn't clear what
@the Clintons did that was so
@terribly wrong.
@
@Perhaps the test we ought to apply to political scandals is one that
@accords with the media-intensive
@age in which we live, and the test is this: Would anyone in Hollywood
@ever make a movie of it?
@Whitewater would not be the blockbuster movie of this or any summer, and
@there certainly would
@never be a Whitewater II.
@
@
@

I am a little confused about your reasoning. If we cannot easily
understand the scandal, then it's no big deal. You must not have done
well in Calculus, my friend. Impentrability is no excuse. What they did
was wrong and we all know it now.

[Jay A.]

In <amordei-1706...@nntp.ix.netcom.com> amo...@ix.netcom.com

(Amar Dev Sarwal) writes:
>
>In article <4q4j0d$1...@news0-alterdial.uu.net>, Gail Thaler
><gth...@cs.com> wrote:
>
>@From the Philadelphia Inquirer
>@
>@
>@ In days gone by, scandals were big
>@ Whitewater is a droplet compared to Credit Mobilier or Teapot
>@ Dome.

>@<snip>

>
>I am a little confused about your reasoning. If we cannot easily
>understand the scandal, then it's no big deal. You must not have done
>well in Calculus, my friend. Impentrability is no excuse. What they
did
>was wrong and we all know it now.

Precisely. Some of the press claim that Whitewater is too
complicated for the public to follow. Well, the jury in Little Rock
followed it perfectly well.

In actuality, it's the press that can't or won't follow the
details. A story with this many twists requires investigative reporting
and fact verification, both in short supply in the media.

[Gail Thaler]

>>--What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and
>>the value of nothing.
>> Oscar Wilde
>
>
>

> A better question. What is an arrogant idot? SOmeone who
>insists on crossposting to non-interested or appropriate
>newsgroups, but just do it to be disruptive.
>
>
>Mnay newsgroups timmed down to ONE, why didn't you?
>

I started just posting it here. Others crossposted. And yes,
many people are interested in the first post ever that Dippy
did not insult me personally.

Disruptive? How could a person disrupt such a wild group?

[Baguet]

Like a burrito, Foster's body was wrapped in a rug and heave-hoed into a
Civil War site. If Clinton's Hollywood supporters can't bring that to life
(movie, not Foster) on the big screen, what can they? As an incentive, Rob
Reiner could pay down the cost of "The American President" by using the
same sets. Of course, the second movie would be doing the opposite of what
he set out to do in the first.

[Rosalee Thompson]

In article <4q7048$8...@news0-alterdial.uu.net> Gail Thaler <gth...@cs.com> writes:
>From: Gail Thaler <gth...@cs.com>
>Subject: Re: Hanson and Lee: Comrades (No, I'm not making this up quote up...)
>Date: 18 Jun 1996 19:30:16 GMT

Gail, this is one of your be, no it is your *best* post.
Why don't you go now, and save face?

This place is far too busy for what is left of your "contingent".

[Michael Rivero]

I get to supervise the effects. I've earned it!

--
PIXELODEON PRODUCTIONS | Hand Hammered Special Effects
Mike & Claire - The Rancho Runnamukka http://www.accessone.com/~rivero
The White House must be scared. More black churches have burned.

[Tim Watson]

Jay A. wrote:
>
> In <amordei-1706...@nntp.ix.netcom.com> amo...@ix.netcom.com
> (Amar Dev Sarwal) writes:
> >

> >In article <4q4j0d$1...@news0-alterdial.uu.net>, Gail Thaler
> ><gth...@cs.com> wrote:
> >
> >@From the Philadelphia Inquirer
> >@
> >@
> >@ In days gone by, scandals were big
> >@ Whitewater is a droplet compared to Credit Mobilier or Teapot
> >@ Dome.
>

> >@<snip>

>
> >
> >I am a little confused about your reasoning. If we cannot easily
> >understand the scandal, then it's no big deal. You must not have done
> >well in Calculus, my friend. Impentrability is no excuse. What they
> did
> >was wrong and we all know it now.
>

> Precisely. Some of the press claim that Whitewater is too
> complicated for the public to follow. Well, the jury in Little Rock
> followed it perfectly well.
>
> In actuality, it's the press that can't or won't follow the
> details. A story with this many twists requires investigative reporting
> and fact verification, both in short supply in the media.

Amen. The brave act of twelve of my fellow statesmen gave the lie forever to
the "it's just too complicated" reason for not reporting on the WW scandal,
and the press is out of excuses.

And now with Filegate, something even a leftist fraternity such as the
national media can understand, there is no room for doubt - if they continue
to ignore the numerous and mounting Clinton scandals, it will be wilfull
refusal to print the facts, and nothing less.

Tim Watson

z

[David Gross]

On 19 Jun 1996 15:30:53 -0700, riv...@accessone.com (Michael Rivero)
wrote:

>In article <4q739o$c...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, Baguet <bag...@aol.com> wrote:
>>Like a burrito, Foster's body was wrapped in a rug and heave-hoed into a
>>Civil War site. If Clinton's Hollywood supporters can't bring that to life
>>(movie, not Foster) on the big screen, what can they? As an incentive, Rob
>>Reiner could pay down the cost of "The American President" by using the
>>same sets. Of course, the second movie would be doing the opposite of what
>>he set out to do in the first.
>
>
>
> I get to supervise the effects. I've earned it!
>
>

Mike, if the WH would 've hired you in the first place we wouldn't be
talking on this NG:)

[Gail Thaler]

>Gail, this is one of your be, no it is your *best* post.
>Why don't you go now, and save face?
>
>This place is far too busy for what is left of your "contingent".
>

Busy? I barely spend any time over here at all because the posts are
so old. I just saw one from Sunday.

Here's the gist of this ng:

Bill is a ___________

No he's not.

Hillary is a ________

No she's not.

You're a liar. No, you are. No, YOU are.

Be nice. Don't be nice.

Get out of my newsgroup!!

My husband has a back problem.

Except for Mike Rivero, who has a sense of humor and actually asks
some interesting questions, that's about it.

[Martin McPhillips]

> Gail Thaler <gth...@cs.com> writes:
> From the Philadelphia Inquirer
>
>
> In days gone by, scandals were big
> Whitewater is a droplet compared to Credit Mobilier or Teapot
> Dome.
>
> By Ross K. Baker
> One of the more intriguing aspects of the Whitewater scandal, which
> recently claimed its first

"Whitewater" is more than just a scandal and goes so
far beyond Credit Mobilier or Teapot Dome that I just have
to laugh.

When all is said and done, the Clinton Presidency, which
will be known to history as the "Criminal Presidency," will
be seen as the greatest political crisis in the history of the
United States during the post-World War II era, second only
to the massive invasion into the Korean peninsula by the
Red Chinese Army during the Korean War.

In the Credit Mobilier scandal, President Grant was a politically
naive national hero who got taken for a ride; he was, otherwise,
a man of tremendous honor, courage, and fortitude, one of
the greatest of all Americans, ever. In Teapot Dome, President
Warren Harding was a lighweight who got burned by friends who
should have looked out for his honor.

In Whitewater you have a climbing obsessed Bill Clinton, a man
whose identification with his political career is complete. He had
been seeking the Presidency since his mid-teens. He had no sooner
achieved office in Arkansas than he began the ritual process
of collecting his fair share of booty---the first shot of which came
with his wife's remarkable score in the cattle futures market, as
Clinton crony Jim Blair held her hand and a recently suspended
dealer---Red Bone---made sure Hillary was a winner.

From then on it was off to the races, and the number of
things that Clinton & Clinton became involved in is remarkable.

The Whitewater land deal was just one of them, and the term
"Whitewater" has become a general term of description for
the whole bloody mess. This is without question the greatest
scandal in the history of the United States and the American
Presidency, and represents a political crisis as I said, in the
post-war era, equal only to said invasion of Korea by the
Chinese.