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Inside NYTimes.com
Wednesday, August 8, 2001
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Dear Member,
One of the most intriguing features running in The New
York Times this summer focuses on the area north of New
York City immortalized by the Hudson River School -- a
group of landscape artists active in the mid to late 19th
century. Some of their pictures, in places like Lake
George and Kaaterskill Falls, now part of Catskill Park,
became icons that helped foster the birth of tourism and
the urban parks movement. Some paintings changed lives.
Collectively, their focus on the Northeast created a bond
of aesthetics and environmentalism that became a thread of
the local culture.
In this unique series written by Kirk Johnson, The New
York Times returns to the places illuminated by the Hudson
River School artists -- from the Adirondacks to Long Island
Sound -- to examine what these places are now. Included in
this multimedia special are articles and photos that
compare the past and present views of the land. There are
also special audio clips from Mr. Johnson.
http://www.nytimes.com/images/2001/07/19/nyregion/hudson/index.html?rd=hcm
cp?p=03WCd03WIC43hBi012000maiFQaiCv
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look around. It's not hard to find.
Sergeant Bilko
AltamontNY <altam...@aol.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
> . Some of their pictures, in places like Lake
> George and Kaaterskill Falls, now part of Catskill Park,
> became icons that helped foster the birth of tourism
>. Some paintings changed lives.
> Collectively, their focus on the Northeast created a bond
> of aesthetics and environmentalism that became a thread of
> the local culture.
>
The writer must have been smokin' weed.
Sarge
Bill
Sarge: What the hell are you talking about? Bad sentence structure?
Kaaterskill Falls IS part of the Catskill park...or at least within
the Catsill forest preserve boundary.
Or do you debate the influence of the Hudson River school of art? The
influence was huge! And much of the resulting art is impressive to
this day.
Tom Hand
"Bill" <bill...@msn.com> wrote in message
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Most of it looks like paint by numbers stuff to me. It's not my cup of tea.
Give me Monet or Manet.
Sergeant Bilko
It was "their pictures ...became icons that helped foster the birth of
tourism" part that got me as well as "the paintings changed lives" - and
"Created a bond .."
JmG
>|> Or do you debate the influence of the Hudson River school of art? The
>|> influence was huge! And much of the resulting art is impressive to
>|> this day.
>|
>|Most of it looks like paint by numbers stuff to me. It's not my cup of tea.
>|Give me Monet or Manet.
Really? Well. Hmmm... You don't think the impressionism in your Manet had
anything to do with the soft grandeur of the Hudson River school? I'll bet it
did!
J
Tom Hand
"JmG" <jmg...@bestweb.net> wrote in message
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> Really? Well. Hmmm... You don't think the impressionism in your Manet had
> anything to do with the soft grandeur of the Hudson River school? I'll bet
it
> did!
>
> J
No doubt, but then Shakespeare has probably inspired a lot of hack writers
too. I'm not saying that everything about the Hudson River school is bad,
but little if any of it is great art. The artist who seems to be held in
the highest esteem, Church, produced nothing but amateurish, soulless
paintings in my opinion.
Bill
>
> It was "their pictures ...became icons that helped foster the birth of
> tourism" part that got me as well as "the paintings changed lives" - and
> "Created a bond .."
Those paintings DID foster the birth of tourism. When they were shown
in NYC beginning in the 1840's, it opened up the idea of travelling to
this "wilderness" area to many NYC residents. The building of the
Great Camps and country hotels followed. It also began the whole
concept of painting the American landscape. How can that not change
lives?
Bill
So that's your opinion. I happen to like them.
Sergeant Bilko
Sweltering heat in the city chased people out - and one of the easiest paths
was the old Albany Post road - so up they came. The pictures may have
persuaded 1% - the heat influenced the others. They weren't "tourists" they
were just people trying to get out of the city for a while. By the 1840's
this wasn't a "wilderness: area anymore - it was pretty well industrialized.
JmG
wrote:
>|Sweltering heat in the city chased people out - and one of the easiest paths
>|was the old Albany Post road - so up they came. The pictures may have
>|persuaded 1% - the heat influenced the others. They weren't "tourists" they
>|were just people trying to get out of the city for a while. By the 1840's
>|this wasn't a "wilderness: area anymore - it was pretty well industrialized.
And it wasn't many years later it had been completely denuded of trees. Vast
hemlock forests - gone.
J
BJ Carr
That happens everyplace that becomes populated with people. Have you seen
old pictures of Manhattan from the 17th and 18th centuries when it was
beautiful, virgin land? But people do need someplace to live.
JmG
>|That happens everyplace that becomes populated with people. Have you seen
>|old pictures of Manhattan from the 17th and 18th centuries when it was
>|beautiful, virgin land? But people do need someplace to live.
We've learned how to do both: live in a place and not denude it of its
resources by managing them and (more importantly) us, properly.
Too bad we don't do it more often.
J
Bill
In the 1840's the only people who left the city were "tourists" ...
people wealthy enough and with enough free time to leave. The rest
were busy trying to stay alive. People went up first with by boat up
the river and later by train. While the valley communities were
developing by the early 1800's, the mountains were the domain mainly
of trappers, loggers and tourists. The Adorandacks remained remote
wilderness to most people until the late 1800's. And if you don't
think that the popular paintings of NY scenary prompted many people
with the means to visit that scenary, then you don't know your
history.
They didn't have the travel channel in 1840!
Dave Hitt
>In the 1840's the only people who left the city were "tourists" ...
>people wealthy enough and with enough free time to leave. The rest
>were busy trying to stay alive. People went up first with by boat up
>the river and later by train. While the valley communities were
>developing by the early 1800's, the mountains were the domain mainly
>of trappers, loggers and tourists. The Adorandacks remained remote
>wilderness to most people until the late 1800's. And if you don't
>think that the popular paintings of NY scenary prompted many people
>with the means to visit that scenary, then you don't know your
>history.
>
>They didn't have the travel channel in 1840!
You could argue that the paintings *were* the travel channel of the
1840s.
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Then I realized that the Lord, in his wisdom, didn't work that way.
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Bill
> bill...@msn.com (Bill) wrote:
>
>
> >In the 1840's the only people who left the city were "tourists" ...
> >people wealthy enough and with enough free time to leave. The rest
> >were busy trying to stay alive. People went up first with by boat up
> >the river and later by train. While the valley communities were
> >developing by the early 1800's, the mountains were the domain mainly
> >of trappers, loggers and tourists. The Adorandacks remained remote
> >wilderness to most people until the late 1800's. And if you don't
> >think that the popular paintings of NY scenary prompted many people
> >with the means to visit that scenary, then you don't know your
> >history.
> >
> >They didn't have the travel channel in 1840!
>
> You could argue that the paintings *were* the travel channel of the
> 1840s.
That's kind of what I was arguing. Of course you put it a bit more directly.