>>>>>>>> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:4840a720$0$4074$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >>>>>>>>> The one thing that people living in Hawaii should understand, is >>>>>>>>> that "if" there was a major disaster, help is not going to come as >>>>>>>>> quickly as on the mainland. We are after all in the middle of an >>>>>>>>> ocean.
>>>>>>>>> <aesthe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:3e3f74df-f991-4f00-855b-d1585c52db50@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>> On May 19, 9:32 am, as...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (John W. Bienko) >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> A proven Emergency Plan is absolutely vital tp have a >>>>>>>>>> chance of survival. Otherwise chaos is inevitable. >>>>>>>>>> And chaos leads to disaster and death.
>>>>>>>>> "How to Survive a Disaster" is the cover story of the latest TIME >>>>>>>>> magazine:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.time.com/time/magazine >>>>>>>> Hey Jerry - Don't forget that there are still some Katrina folks >>>>>>>> who would tell you flat out that help has still not arrived. They >>>>>>>> are still waiting....waiting....waiting....
>>>>>>> I have got mixed emotions about that. On one hand, I have sympathy >>>>>>> for those who suffered as a result of Katrina, and on the other >>>>>>> hand, they are suffering because of the "choices" they made by >>>>>>> living in a city that is below water. Lots of people "suffer" when >>>>>>> they are hit with a disaster, other than just from a hurricane. >>>>>>> Should we help all of them equally? How much help should we provide >>>>>>> for people who live in areas which are hit by tornadoes, or floods >>>>>>> on a frequent basis? I do not know the answer to those questions.
>>>>>> Jerry - looks like you missed my point, which is that you need not be >>>>>> in the middle of an ocean in order to be waiting for help almost >>>>>> three years later as per these Katrina folks. The issue is not >>>>>> whether to help equally or not...or even whether to help or not. >>>>>> The issue is that for some Katrina folks, help has yet to arrive >>>>>> after almost three years after the event. One does wonder when help >>>>>> will finally arrive for these folks. And vis a vis your point, >>>>>> remember that these folks are on the Mainland...not in the middle of >>>>>> an ocean.
>>>>> It is the same basic issue. How much help should you give them in the >>>>> first place.
>>>> Nope - not same issue. Your original post says "...help is not going >>>> to come as quickly as on the mainland. We are after all in the middle >>>> of an ocean." Go read. It doesn't ask whether or not to help - >>>> equally or otherwise, how much or how little. It addresses only timing >>>> of help. And my response addresses the timing issue - and only the >>>> timing issue - pointing out that almost three years after the event >>>> there are Katrina folks still waiting for help. No red herrings, >>>> please.
>>>>>> hmmm...on a related note - were there island folks similary still >>>>>> waiting for help almost three years after hurricane Iniki?
>>>>> I dunno, I was still working on the mainland during that time. But I >>>>> suspect the answer is yes, "some" never got any help. >>>> In which case you - not knowing - clearly are not in position to make >>>> any kind of objective statement as to how quickly the island folks >>>> received help after hurricane Iniki as versus these hurricane Katrina >>>> folks who say they are still waiting for help after almost three years.
>>> Well, yes I am in position to know, all that required was understanding >>> where we are, which is in the middle of an ocean, and from what I have >>> read. >> Jerry - so what are you saying? First you say "I dunno, I was still >> working on the mainland during that time." Now you say "Well, yes I am >> in position to know..." So which is it? Do you know or don't you know? >> And if you do know, then please substantiate with links, references, >> quotes...with facts - not with opinions as Alvin does...those instances >> of people three years after Iniki still waiting for help as the Katrina >> folks are.
> Both. I was living on the mainland at the time, and so I do not know > exactly what happened to the people on Kauai. But, becasue these islands > are in the middle of a very big ocean, you are not going to get help very > quickly. And yes, I did say that there are probably people that never got > the help that they wanted to get. Why do you find that so confusing?
Well, if you do not know as you say you do not know, then how can you know? Maybe you smoking/drinking exact same thing Alvin does when he too "knows"? If you are, then I guess I can understand how you know when you say you do not know. But - heck - even Alvin does not say he does not know when he makes like he does know. And I notice - no requested substantiation offered by you as per Iniki folks waiting for help three years later - just like Alvin not providing substanditation when asked....no?
>> And coming back to your original issue of the timing of help arriving, >> make a documented case based on facts - please - that given that there >> are Katrina folks here on the Mainland still waiting for help almost >> three years after the fact that being in the islands makes for slower >> arrival of help than on the Mainland.
> Let me suggest that the federal government cannot help EVERYONE who > suffers losss from any natural disaster, especially one that can cause a > lot of damage like a hurricane. But the question still remains, how much > "help" should the government give people who "choose" to live in a part of > the country that will have hurricanes. How much help should the Federal > Government give to people who "choose" to live in a city that can be > flooded when the levees fail?
c'mon Jerry - quit drifting off topic. Go read your initial post, which addresses only timing of help - not at all the issue of how much help or even if help should be given. I do believe that this is the fourth time I've called attention to you going off your original topic. You want to try for fifth time?
>>>>>>>>> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:4840a720$0$4074$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >>>>>>>>>> The one thing that people living in Hawaii should understand, is >>>>>>>>>> that "if" there was a major disaster, help is not going to come >>>>>>>>>> as quickly as on the mainland. We are after all in the middle of >>>>>>>>>> an ocean.
>>>>>>>>>> <aesthe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:3e3f74df-f991-4f00-855b-d1585c52db50@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>>> On May 19, 9:32 am, as...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (John W. Bienko) >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> A proven Emergency Plan is absolutely vital tp have a >>>>>>>>>>> chance of survival. Otherwise chaos is inevitable. >>>>>>>>>>> And chaos leads to disaster and death.
>>>>>>>>>> "How to Survive a Disaster" is the cover story of the latest TIME >>>>>>>>>> magazine:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.time.com/time/magazine >>>>>>>>> Hey Jerry - Don't forget that there are still some Katrina folks >>>>>>>>> who would tell you flat out that help has still not arrived. They >>>>>>>>> are still waiting....waiting....waiting....
>>>>>>>> I have got mixed emotions about that. On one hand, I have sympathy >>>>>>>> for those who suffered as a result of Katrina, and on the other >>>>>>>> hand, they are suffering because of the "choices" they made by >>>>>>>> living in a city that is below water. Lots of people "suffer" when >>>>>>>> they are hit with a disaster, other than just from a hurricane. >>>>>>>> Should we help all of them equally? How much help should we provide >>>>>>>> for people who live in areas which are hit by tornadoes, or floods >>>>>>>> on a frequent basis? I do not know the answer to those questions.
>>>>>>> Jerry - looks like you missed my point, which is that you need not >>>>>>> be in the middle of an ocean in order to be waiting for help almost >>>>>>> three years later as per these Katrina folks. The issue is not >>>>>>> whether to help equally or not...or even whether to help or not. The >>>>>>> issue is that for some Katrina folks, help has yet to arrive after >>>>>>> almost three years after the event. One does wonder when help will >>>>>>> finally arrive for these folks. And vis a vis your point, remember >>>>>>> that these folks are on the Mainland...not in the middle of an >>>>>>> ocean.
>>>>>> It is the same basic issue. How much help should you give them in >>>>>> the first place.
>>>>> Nope - not same issue. Your original post says "...help is not going >>>>> to come as quickly as on the mainland. We are after all in the middle >>>>> of an ocean." Go read. It doesn't ask whether or not to help - >>>>> equally or otherwise, how much or how little. It addresses only >>>>> timing of help. And my response addresses the timing issue - and only >>>>> the timing issue - pointing out that almost three years after the >>>>> event there are Katrina folks still waiting for help. No red >>>>> herrings, please.
>>>>>>> hmmm...on a related note - were there island folks similary still >>>>>>> waiting for help almost three years after hurricane Iniki?
>>>>>> I dunno, I was still working on the mainland during that time. But I >>>>>> suspect the answer is yes, "some" never got any help. >>>>> In which case you - not knowing - clearly are not in position to make >>>>> any kind of objective statement as to how quickly the island folks >>>>> received help after hurricane Iniki as versus these hurricane Katrina >>>>> folks who say they are still waiting for help after almost three >>>>> years.
>>>> Well, yes I am in position to know, all that required was understanding >>>> where we are, which is in the middle of an ocean, and from what I have >>>> read. >>> Jerry - so what are you saying? First you say "I dunno, I was still >>> working on the mainland during that time." Now you say "Well, yes I am >>> in position to know..." So which is it? Do you know or don't you know? >>> And if you do know, then please substantiate with links, references, >>> quotes...with facts - not with opinions as Alvin does...those instances >>> of people three years after Iniki still waiting for help as the Katrina >>> folks are.
>> Both. I was living on the mainland at the time, and so I do not know >> exactly what happened to the people on Kauai. But, becasue these islands >> are in the middle of a very big ocean, you are not going to get help very >> quickly. And yes, I did say that there are probably people that never >> got the help that they wanted to get. Why do you find that so confusing?
> Well, if you do not know as you say you do not know, then how can you > know?
By reading and thinking about the subject matter. How do you learn about events of the past?
> Maybe you smoking/drinking exact same thing Alvin does when he too > "knows"?
Since my five heart attacks, with bypass surgery I no longer smoke, and have one drink around once a month.
> If you are, then I guess I can understand how you know when you say you do > not know. But - heck - even Alvin does not say he does not know when he > makes like he does know. And I notice - no requested substantiation > offered by you as per Iniki folks waiting for help three years later - > just like Alvin not providing substanditation when asked....no?
>>> And coming back to your original issue of the timing of help arriving, >>> make a documented case based on facts - please - that given that there >>> are Katrina folks here on the Mainland still waiting for help almost >>> three years after the fact that being in the islands makes for slower >>> arrival of help than on the Mainland.
>> Let me suggest that the federal government cannot help EVERYONE who >> suffers losss from any natural disaster, especially one that can cause a >> lot of damage like a hurricane. But the question still remains, how much >> "help" should the government give people who "choose" to live in a part >> of the country that will have hurricanes. How much help should the >> Federal Government give to people who "choose" to live in a city that can >> be flooded when the levees fail? > c'mon Jerry - quit drifting off topic. Go read your initial post, which > addresses only timing of help - not at all the issue of how much help or > even if help should be given. I do believe that this is the fourth time > I've called attention to you going off your original topic. You want to > try for fifth time?
I did not drift of subject, you introduced the subject of help to people who suffer damage from a naural disaster, so follow your own advice. I only responded to what you wrote.
>>>>>>>>>> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:4840a720$0$4074$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >>>>>>>>>>> The one thing that people living in Hawaii should understand, is >>>>>>>>>>> that "if" there was a major disaster, help is not going to come >>>>>>>>>>> as quickly as on the mainland. We are after all in the middle >>>>>>>>>>> of an ocean.
>>>>>>>>>>> <aesthe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:3e3f74df-f991-4f00-855b-d1585c52db50@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>>>> On May 19, 9:32 am, as...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (John W. Bienko) >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> A proven Emergency Plan is absolutely vital tp have a >>>>>>>>>>>> chance of survival. Otherwise chaos is inevitable. >>>>>>>>>>>> And chaos leads to disaster and death.
>>>>>>>>>>> "How to Survive a Disaster" is the cover story of the latest >>>>>>>>>>> TIME >>>>>>>>>>> magazine:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.time.com/time/magazine >>>>>>>>>> Hey Jerry - Don't forget that there are still some Katrina folks >>>>>>>>>> who would tell you flat out that help has still not arrived. >>>>>>>>>> They are still waiting....waiting....waiting....
>>>>>>>>> I have got mixed emotions about that. On one hand, I have >>>>>>>>> sympathy for those who suffered as a result of Katrina, and on the >>>>>>>>> other hand, they are suffering because of the "choices" they made >>>>>>>>> by living in a city that is below water. Lots of people "suffer" >>>>>>>>> when they are hit with a disaster, other than just from a >>>>>>>>> hurricane. Should we help all of them equally? How much help >>>>>>>>> should we provide for people who live in areas which are hit by >>>>>>>>> tornadoes, or floods on a frequent basis? I do not know the >>>>>>>>> answer to those questions.
>>>>>>>> Jerry - looks like you missed my point, which is that you need not >>>>>>>> be in the middle of an ocean in order to be waiting for help almost >>>>>>>> three years later as per these Katrina folks. The issue is not >>>>>>>> whether to help equally or not...or even whether to help or not. >>>>>>>> The issue is that for some Katrina folks, help has yet to arrive >>>>>>>> after almost three years after the event. One does wonder when >>>>>>>> help will finally arrive for these folks. And vis a vis your point, >>>>>>>> remember that these folks are on the Mainland...not in the middle >>>>>>>> of an ocean.
>>>>>>> It is the same basic issue. How much help should you give them in >>>>>>> the first place.
>>>>>> Nope - not same issue. Your original post says "...help is not going >>>>>> to come as quickly as on the mainland. We are after all in the >>>>>> middle of an ocean." Go read. It doesn't ask whether or not to >>>>>> help - equally or otherwise, how much or how little. It addresses >>>>>> only timing of help. And my response addresses the timing issue - and >>>>>> only the timing issue - pointing out that almost three years after >>>>>> the event there are Katrina folks still waiting for help. No red >>>>>> herrings, please.
>>>>>>>> hmmm...on a related note - were there island folks similary still >>>>>>>> waiting for help almost three years after hurricane Iniki?
>>>>>>> I dunno, I was still working on the mainland during that time. But >>>>>>> I suspect the answer is yes, "some" never got any help. >>>>>> In which case you - not knowing - clearly are not in position to make >>>>>> any kind of objective statement as to how quickly the island folks >>>>>> received help after hurricane Iniki as versus these hurricane Katrina >>>>>> folks who say they are still waiting for help after almost three >>>>>> years.
>>>>> Well, yes I am in position to know, all that required was >>>>> understanding where we are, which is in the middle of an ocean, and >>>>> from what I have read. >>>> Jerry - so what are you saying? First you say "I dunno, I was still >>>> working on the mainland during that time." Now you say "Well, yes I am >>>> in position to know..." So which is it? Do you know or don't you >>>> know? And if you do know, then please substantiate with links, >>>> references, quotes...with facts - not with opinions as Alvin >>>> does...those instances of people three years after Iniki still waiting >>>> for help as the Katrina folks are.
>>> Both. I was living on the mainland at the time, and so I do not know >>> exactly what happened to the people on Kauai. But, becasue these >>> islands are in the middle of a very big ocean, you are not going to get >>> help very quickly. And yes, I did say that there are probably people >>> that never got the help that they wanted to get. Why do you find that >>> so confusing?
>> Well, if you do not know as you say you do not know, then how can you >> know?
> By reading and thinking about the subject matter. How do you learn about > events of the past?
Ok - so where are your cites/references/quotations from what your read that support that island folks three years after Iniki still wait for help?
>> Maybe you smoking/drinking exact same thing Alvin does when he too >> "knows"?
> Since my five heart attacks, with bypass surgery I no longer smoke, and > have one drink around once a month.
hmmm...this the reason you say you don't know because you know? Or is it you know because you don't know?
>> If you are, then I guess I can understand how you know when you say you >> do not know. But - heck - even Alvin does not say he does not know when >> he makes like he does know. And I notice - no requested substantiation >> offered by you as per Iniki folks waiting for help three years later - >> just like Alvin not providing substanditation when asked....no?
>>>> And coming back to your original issue of the timing of help arriving, >>>> make a documented case based on facts - please - that given that there >>>> are Katrina folks here on the Mainland still waiting for help almost >>>> three years after the fact that being in the islands makes for slower >>>> arrival of help than on the Mainland.
>>> Let me suggest that the federal government cannot help EVERYONE who >>> suffers losss from any natural disaster, especially one that can cause a >>> lot of damage like a hurricane. But the question still remains, how >>> much "help" should the government give people who "choose" to live in a >>> part of the country that will have hurricanes. How much help should >>> the Federal Government give to people who "choose" to live in a city >>> that can be flooded when the levees fail? >> c'mon Jerry - quit drifting off topic. Go read your initial post, which >> addresses only timing of help - not at all the issue of how much help or >> even if help should be given. I do believe that this is the fourth time >> I've called attention to you going off your original topic. You want to >> try for fifth time?
> I did not drift of subject, you introduced the subject of help to people > who suffer damage from a naural disaster, so follow your own advice. I > only responded to what you wrote.
Ok Jerry - number five times - your original issue...quote "...help is not going to come as quickly as on the mainland. We are after all in the middle of an ocean." Nothing there about how much help...nothing about whether to help. Only about timing of help. So exactly where in this initial posting of yours is the issue of either whether to help or how much to help? And sorry...my postings all address your timing issue - and only that timing issue, not whether to help people or how much to help. Heck - you are the one who wants to duck the timing issue and talk about whether to help or how much help...not me. If you insist that I am the one wanting to talk about whether to help people or how much to help, please quote verbatim where I did that as differentiated from the timing thereof. You want to make it number six times you avoid discussing this timing issue that you yourself raised in the first place?
>>>>>>>>>>> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:4840a720$0$4074$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >>>>>>>>>>>> The one thing that people living in Hawaii should understand, >>>>>>>>>>>> is that "if" there was a major disaster, help is not going to >>>>>>>>>>>> come as quickly as on the mainland. We are after all in the >>>>>>>>>>>> middle of an ocean.
>>>>>>>>>>>> <aesthe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:3e3f74df-f991-4f00-855b-d1585c52db50@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 19, 9:32 am, as...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (John W. Bienko) >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> A proven Emergency Plan is absolutely vital tp have a >>>>>>>>>>>>> chance of survival. Otherwise chaos is inevitable. >>>>>>>>>>>>> And chaos leads to disaster and death.
>>>>>>>>>>>> "How to Survive a Disaster" is the cover story of the latest >>>>>>>>>>>> TIME >>>>>>>>>>>> magazine:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.time.com/time/magazine >>>>>>>>>>> Hey Jerry - Don't forget that there are still some Katrina >>>>>>>>>>> folks who would tell you flat out that help has still not >>>>>>>>>>> arrived. They are still waiting....waiting....waiting....
>>>>>>>>>> I have got mixed emotions about that. On one hand, I have >>>>>>>>>> sympathy for those who suffered as a result of Katrina, and on >>>>>>>>>> the other hand, they are suffering because of the "choices" they >>>>>>>>>> made by living in a city that is below water. Lots of people >>>>>>>>>> "suffer" when they are hit with a disaster, other than just from >>>>>>>>>> a hurricane. Should we help all of them equally? How much help >>>>>>>>>> should we provide for people who live in areas which are hit by >>>>>>>>>> tornadoes, or floods on a frequent basis? I do not know the >>>>>>>>>> answer to those questions.
>>>>>>>>> Jerry - looks like you missed my point, which is that you need not >>>>>>>>> be in the middle of an ocean in order to be waiting for help >>>>>>>>> almost three years later as per these Katrina folks. The issue >>>>>>>>> is not whether to help equally or not...or even whether to help or >>>>>>>>> not. The issue is that for some Katrina folks, help has yet to >>>>>>>>> arrive after almost three years after the event. One does wonder >>>>>>>>> when help will finally arrive for these folks. And vis a vis your >>>>>>>>> point, remember that these folks are on the Mainland...not in the >>>>>>>>> middle of an ocean.
>>>>>>>> It is the same basic issue. How much help should you give them in >>>>>>>> the first place.
>>>>>>> Nope - not same issue. Your original post says "...help is not >>>>>>> going to come as quickly as on the mainland. We are after all in >>>>>>> the middle of an ocean." Go read. It doesn't ask whether or not to >>>>>>> help - equally or otherwise, how much or how little. It addresses >>>>>>> only timing of help. And my response addresses the timing issue - >>>>>>> and only the timing issue - pointing out that almost three years >>>>>>> after the event there are Katrina folks still waiting for help. No >>>>>>> red herrings, please.
>>>>>>>>> hmmm...on a related note - were there island folks similary still >>>>>>>>> waiting for help almost three years after hurricane Iniki?
>>>>>>>> I dunno, I was still working on the mainland during that time. But >>>>>>>> I suspect the answer is yes, "some" never got any help. >>>>>>> In which case you - not knowing - clearly are not in position to >>>>>>> make any kind of objective statement as to how quickly the island >>>>>>> folks received help after hurricane Iniki as versus these hurricane >>>>>>> Katrina folks who say they are still waiting for help after almost >>>>>>> three years.
>>>>>> Well, yes I am in position to know, all that required was >>>>>> understanding where we are, which is in the middle of an ocean, and >>>>>> from what I have read. >>>>> Jerry - so what are you saying? First you say "I dunno, I was still >>>>> working on the mainland during that time." Now you say "Well, yes I >>>>> am in position to know..." So which is it? Do you know or don't you >>>>> know? And if you do know, then please substantiate with links, >>>>> references, quotes...with facts - not with opinions as Alvin >>>>> does...those instances of people three years after Iniki still waiting >>>>> for help as the Katrina folks are.
>>>> Both. I was living on the mainland at the time, and so I do not know >>>> exactly what happened to the people on Kauai. But, becasue these >>>> islands are in the middle of a very big ocean, you are not going to get >>>> help very quickly. And yes, I did say that there are probably people >>>> that never got the help that they wanted to get. Why do you find that >>>> so confusing?
>>> Well, if you do not know as you say you do not know, then how can you >>> know?
>> By reading and thinking about the subject matter. How do you learn about >> events of the past?
> Ok - so where are your cites/references/quotations from what your read > that support that island folks three years after Iniki still wait for > help?
>>> Maybe you smoking/drinking exact same thing Alvin does when he too >>> "knows"?
>> Since my five heart attacks, with bypass surgery I no longer smoke, and >> have one drink around once a month.
> hmmm...this the reason you say you don't know because you know? Or is it > you know because you don't know?
>>> If you are, then I guess I can understand how you know when you say you >>> do not know. But - heck - even Alvin does not say he does not know when >>> he makes like he does know. And I notice - no requested substantiation >>> offered by you as per Iniki folks waiting for help three years later - >>> just like Alvin not providing substanditation when asked....no?
>>>>> And coming back to your original issue of the timing of help arriving, >>>>> make a documented case based on facts - please - that given that there >>>>> are Katrina folks here on the Mainland still waiting for help almost >>>>> three years after the fact that being in the islands makes for slower >>>>> arrival of help than on the Mainland.
>>>> Let me suggest that the federal government cannot help EVERYONE who >>>> suffers losss from any natural disaster, especially one that can cause >>>> a lot of damage like a hurricane. But the question still remains, how >>>> much "help" should the government give people who "choose" to live in a >>>> part of the country that will have hurricanes. How much help should >>>> the Federal Government give to people who "choose" to live in a city >>>> that can be flooded when the levees fail? >>> c'mon Jerry - quit drifting off topic. Go read your initial post, which >>> addresses only timing of help - not at all the issue of how much help or >>> even if help should be given. I do believe that this is the fourth time >>> I've called attention to you going off your original topic. You want to >>> try for fifth time?
>> I did not drift of subject, you introduced the subject of help to people >> who suffer damage from a naural disaster, so follow your own advice. I >> only responded to what you wrote.
> Ok Jerry - number five times - your original issue...quote "...help is > not going to come as quickly as on the mainland. We are after all in the > middle of an ocean." Nothing there about how much help...nothing about > whether to help. Only about timing of help. So exactly where in this > initial posting of yours is the issue of either whether to help or how > much to help?
I was simply stating what would happen. I was not talking about how much help would finally arrive when it did arrive. What do you find so complicated about that?
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:4840a720$0$4074$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>> The one thing that people living in Hawaii should understand, >>>>>>>>>>>>> is that "if" there was a major disaster, help is not going to >>>>>>>>>>>>> come as quickly as on the mainland. We are after all in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> middle of an ocean.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <aesthe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:3e3f74df-f991-4f00-855b-d1585c52db50@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 19, 9:32 am, as...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (John W. Bienko) >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A proven Emergency Plan is absolutely vital tp have a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> chance of survival. Otherwise chao
