Lessons from Burma sea surge
John W. Bienko
and associates on the latest assessment of potential
tsunami threats on Hawai`i.
As well as an update on the survival emergency measures..
safety.. food.. shelter.
One should always be vigilant.. informed and educated.
Aloha
Jerry Okamura
possible hurricane. I would think that is a potentially bigger survival
problem than a tsunami. First and foremost is an adequate supply of water
and food. If you have those two, you can survive for as long as you have
water and food. Without it, you can only hope that you can still get water
and food. I made a list of things we would need, should we be hit with a
large hurricane. Which I should think is a good recommendation for everyone
to do.
"John W. Bienko" <as...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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John W. Bienko
Water and food are top of the list.
My book RETIRE HEALTHY, WEALTHY AND WISE IN PARADISE
has a section that covers the basic emergency survival
supplies for seniors.
See www.oldbarrhaven.com hobbies interests
for background information.
aest...@hotmail.com
Considering that April was proclaimed TSUNAMI AWARENESS MONTH, I would
have thought that that would have reminded people of the danger of
developing places like Kaka'ako.
John W. Bienko
Kaka`ako?
Jerry Okamura
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People keep moving to many places where natural disasters can occur.
aest...@hotmail.com
> What are the details re the tsunami danger at
> Kaka`ako?
The last time I checked, Kaka'ako was pretty close to the shoreline:
http://starbulletin.com/specials/oahu_neighborhoods/wp-content/themes/default/images/kakaako-3.gif
aest...@hotmail.com
Concerning getting aid to Hawaii in the aftermath of a natural
disaster, I got a 'sinking' feeling when I came across this:
aest...@hotmail.com
wrote:
And can airlifts be counted on?:
John W. Bienko
Lawrence Akutagawa
> What is the emergency tsunami plan for Kaka'ako?
I would think either John Denver's "Leaving on a Jet Plane" or The Fifth
Dimension's "Up up and away" would be appropriate. And the Air Force
Academy's official song - "Off we go into the wild blue yonder" - ought not
be overlooked in this regard either.
Richard
Same as all of Oahu, refer to the maps in the Yellow Pages (in advance),
and head up the hill!
aest...@hotmail.com
"...Few Americans Are Ready for Worst in Terrorism, Epedemic or
Weather Emergency" (upcoming online discussion):
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/05/16/DI2008051603186.html
Jerry Okamura
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On May 7, 3:35 am, as...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (John W. Bienko) wrote:
> I seek expert information and direction from Gerard Fryer
> and associates on the latest assessment of potential
> tsunami threats on Hawai`i.
> As well as an update on the survival emergency measures..
> safety.. food.. shelter.
> One should always be vigilant.. informed and educated.
> Aloha
"...Few Americans Are Ready for Worst in Terrorism, Epedemic or
Weather Emergency" (upcoming online discussion):
I would think the correct phrase would be, "most" americans are not ready
for the worst in any calamity. And "some" calamities you cannot possibly be
completely prepared for.
John W. Bienko
chance of survival. Otherwise chaos is inevitable.
And chaos leads to disaster and death.
aest...@hotmail.com
"How to Survive a Disaster" is the cover story of the latest TIME
magazine:
Jerry Okamura
there was a major disaster, help is not going to come as quickly as on the
mainland. We are after all in the middle of an ocean.
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Lawrence Akutagawa
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tell you flat out that help has still not arrived. They are still
waiting....waiting....waiting....
Jerry Okamura
"Lawrence Akutagawa" <lakuN...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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I have got mixed emotions about that. On one hand, I have sympathy for
those who suffered as a result of Katrina, and on the other hand, they are
suffering because of the "choices" they made by living in a city that is
below water. Lots of people "suffer" when they are hit with a disaster,
other than just from a hurricane. Should we help all of them equally? How
much help should we provide for people who live in areas which are hit by
tornadoes, or floods on a frequent basis? I do not know the answer to those
questions.
Lawrence Akutagawa
middle of an ocean in order to be waiting for help almost three years later
as per these Katrina folks. The issue is not whether to help equally or
not...or even whether to help or not. The issue is that for some Katrina
folks, help has yet to arrive after almost three years after the event. One
does wonder when help will finally arrive for these folks. And vis a vis
your point, remember that these folks are on the Mainland...not in the
middle of an ocean.
hmmm...on a related note - were there island folks similary still waiting
for help almost three years after hurricane Iniki?
Jerry Okamura
It is the same basic issue. How much help should you give them in the first
place.
>
> hmmm...on a related note - were there island folks similary still waiting
> for help almost three years after hurricane Iniki?
>
I dunno, I was still working on the mainland during that time. But I
suspect the answer is yes, "some" never got any help.
Lawrence Akutagawa
otherwise, how much or how little. It addresses only timing of help. And
my response addresses the timing issue - and only the timing issue -
pointing out that almost three years after the event there are Katrina folks
still waiting for help. No red herrings, please.
>>
>> hmmm...on a related note - were there island folks similary still waiting
>> for help almost three years after hurricane Iniki?
>>
> I dunno, I was still working on the mainland during that time. But I
> suspect the answer is yes, "some" never got any help.
kind of objective statement as to how quickly the island folks received help
after hurricane Iniki as versus these hurricane Katrina folks who say they
are still waiting for help after almost three years.
Jerry Okamura
Well, yes I am in position to know, all that required was understanding
where we are, which is in the middle of an ocean, and from what I have read.
Lawrence Akutagawa
on the mainland during that time." Now you say "Well, yes I am in position
to know..." So which is it? Do you know or don't you know? And if you
do know, then please substantiate with links, references, quotes...with
facts - not with opinions as Alvin does...those instances of people three
years after Iniki still waiting for help as the Katrina folks are.
And coming back to your original issue of the timing of help arriving, make
a documented case based on facts - please - that given that there are
Katrina folks here on the Mainland still waiting for help almost three years
after the fact that being in the islands makes for slower arrival of help
than on the Mainland.
Jerry Okamura
Both. I was living on the mainland at the time, and so I do not know
exactly what happened to the people on Kauai. But, becasue these islands
are in the middle of a very big ocean, you are not going to get help very
quickly. And yes, I did say that there are probably people that never got
the help that they wanted to get. Why do you find that so confusing?
>
> And coming back to your original issue of the timing of help arriving,
> make a documented case based on facts - please - that given that there are
> Katrina folks here on the Mainland still waiting for help almost three
> years after the fact that being in the islands makes for slower arrival of
> help than on the Mainland.
>
Let me suggest that the federal government cannot help EVERYONE who suffers
losss from any natural disaster, especially one that can cause a lot of
damage like a hurricane. But the question still remains, how much "help"
should the government give people who "choose" to live in a part of the
country that will have hurricanes. How much help should the Federal
Government give to people who "choose" to live in a city that can be flooded
when the levees fail?
Lawrence Akutagawa
Maybe you smoking/drinking exact same thing Alvin does when he too "knows"?
If you are, then I guess I can understand how you know when you say you do
not know. But - heck - even Alvin does not say he does not know when he
makes like he does know. And I notice - no requested substantiation offered
by you as per Iniki folks waiting for help three years later - just like
Alvin not providing substanditation when asked....no?
>
>> And coming back to your original issue of the timing of help arriving,
>> make a documented case based on facts - please - that given that there
>> are Katrina folks here on the Mainland still waiting for help almost
>> three years after the fact that being in the islands makes for slower
>> arrival of help than on the Mainland.
>>
> Let me suggest that the federal government cannot help EVERYONE who
> suffers losss from any natural disaster, especially one that can cause a
> lot of damage like a hurricane. But the question still remains, how much
> "help" should the government give people who "choose" to live in a part of
> the country that will have hurricanes. How much help should the Federal
> Government give to people who "choose" to live in a city that can be
> flooded when the levees fail?
addresses only timing of help - not at all the issue of how much help or
even if help should be given. I do believe that this is the fourth time
I've called attention to you going off your original topic. You want to try
for fifth time?
Jerry Okamura
By reading and thinking about the subject matter. How do you learn about
events of the past?
> Maybe you smoking/drinking exact same thing Alvin does when he too
> "knows"?
Since my five heart attacks, with bypass surgery I no longer smoke, and have
one drink around once a month.
> If you are, then I guess I can understand how you know when you say you do
> not know. But - heck - even Alvin does not say he does not know when he
> makes like he does know. And I notice - no requested substantiation
> offered by you as per Iniki folks waiting for help three years later -
> just like Alvin not providing substanditation when asked....no?
>>
>>> And coming back to your original issue of the timing of help arriving,
>>> make a documented case based on facts - please - that given that there
>>> are Katrina folks here on the Mainland still waiting for help almost
>>> three years after the fact that being in the islands makes for slower
>>> arrival of help than on the Mainland.
>>>
>> Let me suggest that the federal government cannot help EVERYONE who
>> suffers losss from any natural disaster, especially one that can cause a
>> lot of damage like a hurricane. But the question still remains, how much
>> "help" should the government give people who "choose" to live in a part
>> of the country that will have hurricanes. How much help should the
>> Federal Government give to people who "choose" to live in a city that can
>> be flooded when the levees fail?
> c'mon Jerry - quit drifting off topic. Go read your initial post, which
> addresses only timing of help - not at all the issue of how much help or
> even if help should be given. I do believe that this is the fourth time
> I've called attention to you going off your original topic. You want to
> try for fifth time?
I did not drift of subject, you introduced the subject of help to people who
suffer damage from a naural disaster, so follow your own advice. I only
responded to what you wrote.
>
>
Lawrence Akutagawa
support that island folks three years after Iniki still wait for help?
>
>> Maybe you smoking/drinking exact same thing Alvin does when he too
>> "knows"?
>
> Since my five heart attacks, with bypass surgery I no longer smoke, and
> have one drink around once a month.
>
you know because you don't know?
help. Only about timing of help. So exactly where in this initial posting
of yours is the issue of either whether to help or how much to help? And
sorry...my postings all address your timing issue - and only that timing
issue, not whether to help people or how much to help. Heck - you are the
one who wants to duck the timing issue and talk about whether to help or how
much help...not me. If you insist that I am the one wanting to talk about
whether to help people or how much to help, please quote verbatim where I
did that as differentiated from the timing thereof. You want to make it
number six times you avoid discussing this timing issue that you yourself
raised in the first place?
Jerry Okamura
I was simply stating what would happen. I was not talking about how much
help would finally arrive when it did arrive. What do you find so
complicated about that?
Lawrence Akutagawa
see for yourself these words of yours and yours alone.
"Should we help all of them equally? How much help should we provide for
people who live in areas which are hit by tornadoes, or floods on a frequent
basis?"
"How much help should you give them in the first place."
"Let me suggest that the federal government cannot help EVERYONE who suffers
losss from any natural disaster, especially one that can cause a lot of
damage like a hurricane. But the question still remains, how much "help"
should the government give people who "choose" to live in a part of the
country that will have hurricanes."
As you can clearly see, these words of yours - and yours alone - do address
the issue of how much help contrary to your statement "I was not talking
about how much help would finally arrive when it did arrive." As I said in
my previous post -
"And sorry...my postings all address your timing issue - and only that
timing
issue, not whether to help people or how much to help. Heck - you are the
one who wants to duck the timing issue and talk about whether to help or how
much help...not me. If you insist that I am the one wanting to talk about
whether to help people or how much to help, please quote verbatim where I
did that as differentiated from the timing thereof. "
I note no quotation from you as per my wanting to talk about whether to help
people or how much to help despite my request that you do so. No surpise,
because you - and not I - want to pursue this digression.
I also note no cites/references/quotes from you as per island folks still
waiting for help three years after Iniki. So the conclusion is that you
really don't know, do you?
And still, for the sixth time, you have ducked your very own issue of timing
of help as per "...help is not going to come as quickly as on the mainland.
We are after all in the middle of an ocean." Let me repeat myself (see
above) -
"Jerry - looks like you missed my point, which is that you need not be in
the middle of an ocean in order to be waiting for help almost three years
later as per these Katrina folks. The issue is not whether to help equally
or not...or even whether to help or not. The issue is that for some Katrina
folks, help has yet to arrive after almost three years after the event. One
does wonder when help will finally arrive for these folks. And vis a vis
your point, remember that these folks are on the Mainland...not in the
middle of an ocean."
So - are you for the seventh time going to duck this original timing issue
that you yourself raised?
Jerry Okamura
I am not "ducking" the timing issue, as you put it. I was simply pointing
out that you cannot discuss "timing" without also discussing how much help
we should provide people who are hit by a natural disaster. And I am
addressing a key issue, i.e. who should we help and how much should we help
them, "if" we believe that they should be helped.
>
> I note no quotation from you as per my wanting to talk about whether to
> help people or how much to help despite my request that you do so. No
> surpise, because you - and not I - want to pursue this digression.
The reason you have not gotten me to answer the question you asked, is
because I do not know how much help we should provide to people who live in
areas of the country witch are living in areas where some natural disaster
can devastate their homes, or businessess on a frequent basis. I do not
have the answer to the basic question, how much help should we give to
people who live where hurricanes are a natural occurence, or where floods
are a nautral occurence, or where forest fires are a natural occurence. All
of these are matters of choice, and the question I have is, how much help
should we give them, when they are hit with such a disaster.
>
> I also note no cites/references/quotes from you as per island folks still
> waiting for help three years after Iniki. So the conclusion is that you
> really don't know, do you?
Nope I do know. It still does not change what I said. By the way, since
you seem to know, how many people were still waiting for help three years
after Iniki?
>
> And still, for the sixth time, you have ducked your very own issue of
> timing of help as per "...help is not going to come as quickly as on the
> mainland. We are after all in the middle of an ocean." Let me repeat
> myself (see above) -
>
> "Jerry - looks like you missed my point, which is that you need not be in
> the middle of an ocean in order to be waiting for help almost three years
> later as per these Katrina folks. The issue is not whether to help
> equally or not...or even whether to help or not. The issue is that for
> some Katrina folks, help has yet to arrive after almost three years after
> the event. One does wonder when help will finally arrive for these folks.
> And vis a vis your point, remember that these folks are on the
> Mainland...not in the middle of an ocean."
And my point is, should they get the help, that they think they should get.
>
> So - are you for the seventh time going to duck this original timing issue
> that you yourself raised?
>
>
>
Read my resposes.
Lawrence Akutagawa
timing without at all any refernce to how much help, as per "...help is not
your original post in its entirety from above:
"The one thing that people living in Hawaii should understand, is that "if"
there was a major disaster, help is not going to come as quickly as on the
mainland. We are after all in middle of an ocean."
Tell me - where in this post of yours is any mention of how much help?
Please - please - quote the words from it that address how much help. Can't
find anything? No surprise because there aren't any. So stick to this
timing issue of yours rather than ducking it - for the seventh time - by
trying to introduce an issue not at all mentioned in your original post.
>
>> I note no quotation from you as per my wanting to talk about whether to
>> help people or how much to help despite my request that you do so. No
>> surpise, because you - and not I - want to pursue this digression.
>
> The reason you have not gotten me to answer the question you asked, is
> because I do not know how much help we should provide to people who live
> in areas of the country witch are living in areas where some natural
> disaster can devastate their homes, or businessess on a frequent basis. I
> do not have the answer to the basic question, how much help should we give
> to people who live where hurricanes are a natural occurence, or where
> floods are a nautral occurence, or where forest fires are a natural
> occurence. All of these are matters of choice, and the question I have
> is, how much help should we give them, when they are hit with such a
> disaster.
>
Off topic - issue as presented in your original post is solely one of timing
of help. Stop trying to change the subject. But at least you're no longer
saying " I was not talking about how much help would finally arrive when it
did arrive." And you also no longer are saying "I did not drift of subject,
you introduced the subject of help to people who suffer damage from a naural
disaster, so follow your own advice. " I guess that is progress of some
kind.
>
>> I also note no cites/references/quotes from you as per island folks still
>> waiting for help three years after Iniki. So the conclusion is that you
>> really don't know, do you?
>
> Nope I do know. It still does not change what I said. By the way, since
> you seem to know, how many people were still waiting for help three years
> after Iniki?
>
OK - yet once more - given you know, please substantiate with
links/references/quotes. Lack of substantiation places you, I fear, in the
same category of Alvin "knowing." And I never said I know. If you are
under the impression that I know, then please quote my words where I said I
know.
>
>> And still, for the sixth time, you have ducked your very own issue of
>> timing of help as per "...help is not going to come as quickly as on the
>> mainland. We are after all in the middle of an ocean." Let me repeat
>> myself (see above) -
>>
>> "Jerry - looks like you missed my point, which is that you need not be in
>> the middle of an ocean in order to be waiting for help almost three years
>> later as per these Katrina folks. The issue is not whether to help
>> equally or not...or even whether to help or not. The issue is that for
>> some Katrina folks, help has yet to arrive after almost three years after
>> the event. One does wonder when help will finally arrive for these
>> folks. And vis a vis your point, remember that these folks are on the
>> Mainland...not in the middle of an ocean."
>
> And my point is, should they get the help, that they think they should
> get.
>
Which point of yours is not referenced at all in your original post. Go
see. And that, Jerry, makes you one big evader of the issue in your
original post.
>
>> So - are you for the seventh time going to duck this original timing
>> issue that you yourself raised?
>>
> Read my resposes.
All your reponses duck for the seventh time the original timing issue you
yourself raised, as per "...help is not going to come as quickly as on the
mainland. We are after all in the middle of an ocean." . Want to try for
eighth time ducking your very own issue?
Jerry Okamura
What makes youu think that what I said is not correct. If you live on the
mainland, help is close by. When you live in these islands, help has to
come from the mainland, which is thousands of miles away. The only way that
help can get here quickly is by air, and unless the government starts
something like the Berlin airlift, which by the way did not happen right
away, you cannot supply near as much supplies and help vs. when you have a
catastrophy on the mainland.
>
Lawrence Akutagawa
timing issue here is Jerry addressing it. No more red herrings from him as
per how much help! And all it took was to remind him seven - count
them...seven - discrete and separate times that he was ducking the issue!
Will wonders never cease!
First, no substantiation from Jerry again as per Iniki folks still waiting
for help three years later. But - much as Alvin knows without providing
requested substantiation - Jerry knows...without providing requested
substantiation. At which point the conclusion is that much as Alvin's
knowing is one of faith and belief rather than of fact and evidence, so is
Jerry's. And I do note that Jerry also has not provided the requested quote
from me that I know that the Iniki folks three years later still wait for
help. Once more, no surprise here because I never made a statement like
that. Much like Alvin, such beliefs on Jerry's part are exactly that -
beliefs...no more and no less...which are certainly not factual.
Jerry - stop putting words in my mouth. I never - ever - said that what you
said is not correct. Go see. All I said was - and I quote -
"Hey Jerry - Don't forget that there are still some Katrina folks who would
tell you flat out that help has still not arrived. They are still
waiting....waiting....waiting...."
Now exactly where in those words of mine do I say you are not correct? And
I next said - quote -
"Jerry - looks like you missed my point, which is that you need not be in
the middle of an ocean in order to be waiting for help almost three years
later as per these Katrina folks. The issue is not whether to help equally
or not...or even whether to help or not. The issue is that for some Katrina
folks, help has yet to arrive after almost three years after the event. One
does wonder when help will finally arrive for these folks. And vis a vis
your point, remember that these folks are on the Mainland...not in the
middle of an ocean."
Again - exactly where in those words of mine do I say you are not correct?
Please advise.
And once again - congratulations on finally - finally - remaining on topic
as per your own original issue!
Jerry Okamura
You seem to have a hard time reading. I said the same basic thing when we
first started this thread. What makes you think I said anything new?
Lawrence Akutagawa
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>> "Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>
>>> What makes youu think that what I said is not correct. If you live on
>>> the mainland, help is close by. When you live in these islands, help
>>> has to come from the mainland, which is thousands of miles away. The
>>> only way that help can get here quickly is by air, and unless the
>>> government starts something like the Berlin airlift, which by the way
>>> did not happen right away, you cannot supply near as much supplies and
>>> help vs. when you have a catastrophy on the mainland.
>>>
>> Well - Glory Be! Finally - Finally - after ducking seven times the
>> original timing issue here is Jerry addressing it. No more red herrings
>> from him as per how much help! And all it took was to remind him seven -
>> count them...seven - discrete and separate times that he was ducking the
>> issue! Will wonders never cease!
>
> You seem to have a hard time reading. I said the same basic thing when we
> first started this thread. What makes you think I said anything new?
>
right here on the Mainland, no less, are still waiting for help almost three
years later. Jerry then started on a series of posts talking about how much
help - and after seven...count them, seven...separate and distinct reminders
from me that he was off topic finally returned to his original issue of
timing by asking "What makes youu think that what I said is not correct." I
pointed out that I never - ever - said he was not correct and asked him to
quote from my statements those words where I said he was not correct.
I note that Jerry has not supplied the requested quote - just as he has not
on the one hand supplied either substantiation for his "knowing" that the
Iniki folks wait for three years for help or on the other hand quotes where
I said a) that I knew Iniki folks wait for three years for help and b) I was
the one raising the issue of how much help. Again, no surprise because on
the one hand Jerry's "knowing" is clearly - he not being able to
substantiate his "knowing" - one of faith and belief rather than of fact and
reality and on the other hand I never said the things Jerry attributes to
me - he not being able to quote those words he claims I said.
And now - rather than addressing this timing issue of help not arriving in
the islands as quickly as on the Mainland when there are some Katrina folks
here on the Mainland today almost three years later looking for help, Jerry
falls back on ad hominems. c'mon Jerry - I thought you could do better than
that...address the issue instead of all these diversions!
alohacyberian
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> >>>>>>>> The one thing that people living in Hawaii should understand, is
> >>>>>>>> that "if" there was a major disaster, help is not going to come as
> >>>>>>>> quickly as on the mainland. We are after all in the middle of an
> >>>>>>>> ocean.
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Funny, Jerry, There were three ships loaded with tons of aid off the
coase of Burma. It took two weeks.
Maybe those ships should sail to Kaui and New Orleans.
You are an idiot. Sorry, just wanted you to know.
alohacyberian
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> "Lawrence Akutagawa" <lakuNOS...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> > "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
> >news:4840a720$0$4074$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
> >> The one thing that people living in Hawaii should understand, is that
> >> "if" there was a major disaster, help is not going to come as quickly as
> >> on the mainland. We are after all in the middle of an ocean.
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> >>news:3e3f74df-f991-4f00...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> >> On May 19, 9:32 am, as...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (John W. Bienko) wrote:
> >>> A proven Emergency Plan is absolutely vital tp have a
> >>> chance of survival. Otherwise chaos is inevitable.
> >>> And chaos leads to disaster and death.
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> >> "How to Survive a Disaster" is the cover story of the latest TIME
> >> magazine:
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> >>http://www.time.com/time/magazine
> > Hey Jerry - Don't forget that there are still some Katrina folks who
> > would tell you flat out that help has still not arrived. They are still
> > waiting....waiting....waiting....
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> >http://katrinavictims.org/
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> I have got mixed emotions about that. On one hand, I have sympathy for
> those who suffered as a result of Katrina, and on the other hand, they are
> suffering because of the "choices" they made by living in a city that is
> below water. Lots of people "suffer" when they are hit with a disaster,
> other than just from a hurricane. Should we help all of them equally? How
> much help should we provide for people who live in areas which are hit by
> tornadoes, or floods on a frequent basis? I do not know the answer to those
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What a clown.
alohacyberian
> I gave that a lot of thought last year, when they were talking about a
> possible hurricane. I would think that is a potentially bigger survival
> problem than a tsunami. First and foremost is an adequate supply of water
> and food. If you have those two, you can survive for as long as you have
> water and food. Without it, you can only hope that you can still get water
> and food. I made a list of things we would need, should we be hit with a
> large hurricane. Which I should think is a good recommendation for everyone
> to do.
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> "John W. Bienko" <as...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in messagenews:fvsb73$71$1...@theodyn.ncf.ca...
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> >I seek expert information and direction from Gerard Fryer
> > and associates on the latest assessment of potential
> > tsunami threats on Hawai`i.
> > As well as an update on the survival emergency measures..
> > safety.. food.. shelter.
> > One should always be vigilant.. informed and educated.
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Hopefully cyanide was top on the list, pompous ass.
Jerry Okamura
"alohacyberian" <alohac...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I hope that made you feel better.
Jerry Okamura
What a clown.
Why? Because you do not like to hear what I have to say?
alohacyberian
> "alohacyberian" <alohacyber...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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No, because you have a big red nose and a funny face.
Jerry Okamura
Try to be honest for a change. It would be good for your sole. You do not
like what I have to say because you do not like what I say. It has nothing
to do with whether what I say is valid, or relevant, or anything else. You
simply do not like to hear someone who does not agree with you and you do
not want anyone else to hear what someone who does not agree with you have
to say.
alohacyberian
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I don't have soles, jerry, I walk barefoot. Clown.
No, I think you should spend less time on the internet with your
incessant stupidity and read a fricken book.
I pity you.
alohacyberian
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> "John W. Bienko" <as...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in messagenews:g081na$f2g$1...@theodyn.ncf.ca...
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> > What is the emergency tsunami plan for Kaka'ako?
>
> I would think either John Denver's "Leaving on a Jet Plane" or The Fifth
> Dimension's "Up up and away" would be appropriate. And the Air Force
> Academy's official song - "Off we go into the wild blue yonder" - ought not
> be overlooked in this regard either.
Peter, Paul and Mary sang that song long before John Denver was
shooting dogs with beebee guns.
Lawrence Akutagawa
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Now that is what I call a late response...almost a month since my 5/12/08
post. Still, that song is appropriate in response to Bienko's post. And
John Denver composed it (1967) long before Peter, Paul, and Mary sang it
(1969). Tough to have sung a song - any song - before its composer composed
it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaving_on_a_Jet_Plane
http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=1219
alohacyberian
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> "alohacyberian" <alohacyber...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Well gosh, I didn't know that. Thanks.
aest...@hotmail.com
> I seek expert information and direction from Gerard Fryer
> and associates on the latest assessment of potential
> tsunami threats on Hawai`i.
> As well as an update on the survival emergency measures..
> safety.. food.. shelter.
> One should always be vigilant.. informed and educated.
> Aloha
"How to Survive a Disaster" (TIME magazine cover story):
art...@gmail.com
> Jerry.. you are right on track,
> Water and food are top of the list.
> My book RETIRE HEALTHY, WEALTHY AND WISE IN PARADISE
> has a section that covers the basic emergency survival
> supplies for seniors.
> Seewww.oldbarrhaven.com hobbies interests
> for background information.
"Are You Ready for the Next Disaster?" (recent article):
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/magazine/06wwln-idealab-t.html?_r=1&ref=magazine&oref=slogin