Time for Renewal in Hawai`i
John W. Bienko
promoted by the movers and shakers has FAILED.
One outstanding example is Aloha Airlines.. who offered
$350 airfare prices to Hong Kong. That is irresponsible
management which led directly to the bankruptcy of that
legendary airline. This business model was relicated by
many other businesses.. resorts.. hotels.. and now
Hawaiians are heading for economic collapse.
It is Time for renewal.. back to the basics.
Lawrence Akutagawa
"John W. Bienko" <as...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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Jerry Okamura
"John W. Bienko" <as...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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What are those "basics"?
John W. Bienko
ideas. However it would be presumptious of me, essentially
an outsider to present those basic factors that are significant
for the good people of Hawai`i.
I would suggest that Hawaiians, who live and work very hard
to do the right thing for the beautiful islands, organize
community seminars to plan the future.
The corporations only goal is PROFIT and exhorbitant
salaries for a select number of executives at the expense
of low cost labour and unsustainable business operations.
The workers have been paid low wages.. so low they cannot
afford to buy a home and feed their families.
That is a third world business model that your politicians
have allowed the greedy corporations exploiting Hawaiian
human and natural resources.
The current business model is destined to catastrophic
economic and social disaster.
Lawrence Akutagawa
then duck! John's mantra must be - evade, evade, evade.
Jerry Okamura
"John W. Bienko" <as...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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Let me suggest that to paint the picutre that the basic problem is business,
or government, or workers, is rather meaningless, because unless you have a
way to change what you think is the problem, nothing will change. But let
me just address the point I think you are trying to make. As you said, the
goal of any business is to make money. If they cannot make money, they
would not be in business. But complaining about what they are in fact go
into business for does not solve the problem, unless you have a better model
that we should follow. Do you?
Lawrence Akutagawa
"Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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John's basic point - quote - "It is Time for renewal.. back to the basics."
Nothing in what you've written harkens to going "back to the basics." If
you disagree, then please point out in what you've written constitutes going
"back to the basics."
John having - as I pointed out in my earlier response - so neatly ducked
your question "What are those "basics"? " (and you yourself not addressing
those "basics" either) allow me to make a stab...successful or not...at
those basics to which John makes reference. My best guess at what John is
aiming - he having so obviously evaded the issue - is that the people of
Hawaii go back to the pre-Captain Cook days. No iron, no aluminum, no
money, no buses, no airplanes, no automobiles, no electricity, no greedy
corporations, no water systems, no steamships, no ILWU, no sewage systems,
no low paid workers, no TV, no radio, no newspapers, no indoor plumbing, no
nuffin' except what existed prior to 1778 or thereabouts. All
arrivals/departures via canoe to steamships waiting offshore a minimum three
miles. Economic system based on barter. Females relagated to secondary
family roles. Children home schooled. Kapu system reinstated together with
cities of refuge. Threre are some details that need to be ironed out -
particularly with the US military, but with Hawaii becoming each day less
and less significant in the overall US military scheme of things that should
not present an insolvable challenge. Now I ask you - how more basic can you
get?
Jerry Okamura
"Lawrence Akutagawa" <lakuN...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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That is pretty basic, but it won't happen.
John W. Bienko
my mantra Sir is.. respect.. respect.. respect.
Amen
John W. Bienko
Fair and reasonaable profit for good products and good service
is JUST.
Unfortunately the corporations exploit the people.. paying
low wages.. making huge profits using public resources that
corrupt politicians provide to the busineses that pollute and
waste materials in an unsustainable business model.
The oil industry is one example. These unethical CEO's
take the oil which is virtually free in the ground.. and then
add a few very inexpensive processes and charge the
user $140 a barrel. A decade ago the price was $5 a barrel.
The politicians allowed the increased profit.. billions to
the industry.. in return for election campaign funds.
Let them eat cake.. for the hard working citizen/taxpayer.
Then when the business model begins to fail the CEO's
continue fat cat salaries and bonuses.. the workers are
sent home with NOTHING.
Lawrence Akutagawa
until we can reach a good understanding of what John means by "basics" - as
you tried in your initial response to achieve. I will point out - as I
indicated - that the "basics" I tendered will alleviate almost all the
problems indicated by John. Indeed, I'd venture to say that the Hawaiian
populace back in 1778 experienced absolutely none of the ills of which John
complains. So in this regard at least, he is right as per going "back to
the basics" does constitute a solution. Now once we can get John to agree
with this meaning of "basics" or have him define what he means by "basics,"
then we can start talking about execution...making it happen. Of course, if
he continues to evade, then we have the classic situation of someone
stirring the pot and then ducking the issue.
Lawrence Akutagawa
> you are so very wrong..
> my mantra Sir is.. respect.. respect.. respect.
> Amen
>
evade! Actions, they say, speak louder than words....
Lawrence Akutagawa
what are those "basics" in his statement
"It is Time for renewal.. back to the basics."
Just a lot of talk here. He is beginning to sound much like Alvin Tako in
setting off clouds of words, words, and more words rather than addressing
the issue at hand. Read carefuly his words here and see if you can discern
exactly what it is that he means by "basics." I find a whole lot of
rhetoric with inflammatory words like "exploit," "corrupt," "unethical,"
etc...but no explanation at all of those "basics" to which he wants the
Hawaii people to go back. As I said before, he seems to delight in stirring
the pot and then evading the issue.
John W. Bienko
is to engage the good people of Hawai`i.. for a better
future for everyone.
Hawaiians are a people with rich traditions and wisdom.
I look forward to their initiatives to make today..
the first day of the best days of their lives.
Lawrence Akutagawa
The issue - once again, John - is not your "purpose." The issue is exactly
what do *you* mean by "basics" in your statement
"It is Time for renewal.. back to the basics."
Curious minds await your responding to this issue rather than to your
tossing out red herrings of "purpose" and the like. These clouds of words,
words, and yet more words not at all addressing the issue at hand make you
much like that duck. You know - the one that goes if it looks like a duck,
acts like a duck, sounds like a duck, and walks like a duck....then golly
gee - it must be a duck. And you, sir, with due respect - with your ducking
yet again this issue are beginning to look, act, sound, and walk exactly
like that duck.
John W. Bienko
It is apparent that the current business model being
promoted by the politicians and the CEO's id destined for
disaster.
I would suggest a 4 day work week on a rotating schedule
for the people of Hawai`i. This would immediately reduce
traffic loads on Oahu by 20 percent on any day. Thereby
reducing traffic congestion.
If the proposal for STEEL RAIL was a good idea the
politicians, the Steel Rail CEO's and the land developers
would invest corporation funds in the building of
this BOONDOGGLE. Instead th epublic is being bamboozeled
into believing they will benefit by the construction..
The real costs have NOT been presented and the content
of public information presentations are smoke and mirrors.
THere you have it.. 2 new ideas for you to consider.
Lawrence Akutagawa
issue is what *you* meant by "basics" when you said
"It is Time for renewal.. back to the basics."
No more red herrings now. No more "new ideas." No more clouds of words,
words, and yet more words as presented here. Are you going to duck yet
again?
Quack, quack!
Jerry Okamura
I would say it is the point. Coming up with a definition of what basic
means, which is not what is going to happen, is somewhat meaningless it
seems to me.
Lawrence Akutagawa
Lawrence Akutagawa
tell us what he meant by "basics." After all, he is the one who said
"It is Time for renewal.. back to the basics."
And if what I put forward is not "the basics" that John meant then perhaps
in the meantime while we are waiting for John, you - Jerry - can take a shot
yourself and see if you are better at reading John's mind than you obviously
think I can.
Jerry Okamura
> Jerry.
> Fair and reasonaable profit for good products and good service
> is JUST.
What is the definition of "reasonable profit"?
> Unfortunately the corporations exploit the people.. paying
> low wages.. making huge profits using public resources that
> corrupt politicians provide to the busineses that pollute and
> waste materials in an unsustainable business model.
What is the purpose of having a business? The purpose of having a business
is to make money. Unless you come up with a system that does not allow
businesses to operate, aka a socialist model, they will ALWAYS have one
basic goal, and tha tis to make money for themselves. So, are you
suggesting we adopt a socialist model? If not, what are you suggesting we
do about what you see is a problem? Can busineeses use public resources,
"if" government does not allow them to use public resources? If you had a
business where you could use public resources to increase the odds that you
will be successful, would you refuse to use those "public" resources? The
answer is businesses cannot sue public resources, "if" government does not
allow them to use public resources. So, who is to blame, the business that
takes advantage of that "resource" or the govrnment who gave them the
opportunit to use that "resorce"? As for the word "corrupt" politicans,
would you say that those "politicians" who gave the railroad execuctives
were also "corrupt" politicinas, who in turn built our national railway
sysstem?
> The oil industry is one example. These unethical CEO's
> take the oil which is virtually free in the ground.. and then
> add a few very inexpensive processes and charge the
> user $140 a barrel. A decade ago the price was $5 a barrel.
> The politicians allowed the increased profit.. billions to
> the industry.. in return for election campaign funds.
> Let them eat cake.. for the hard working citizen/taxpayer.
> Then when the business model begins to fail the CEO's
> continue fat cat salaries and bonuses.. the workers are
> sent home with NOTHING.
The land that the oil is in is owned by someone. In order to recover that
oil, the oil companies must get the approval of the person who owns the
land. So, who is a fault? The oil companies, or the land owner who allowed
them to drill on their land? As for the price of oil, that is a little more
complicated. But the bottom line is the price is determined by supply and
demand. When supply cannot keep up with demand, PRICES (and it doesn't
matter what we are talking about, whether it is oil or food or anyting else)
WILL RISE. And when you don't let them exploit the oil we know we do have,
it only makes the supply/demand problem even worse. As for Joe Sizpack, you
let them eat cake when you are not willing to exploit the oil you know you
do have. Because by doing so, prices WILL NOT FALL, they WILL RISE.
Jerry Okamura
> Sir: The pen is mightier than the sword.
The "sword" can be used to kill you, a pen cannot kill you unless it is used
as a weapon, and even then it would be mismatch, because the person with the
sword will be able to kill you with a higher success rate than a person with
a pen, who used it as a weapon.
Lawrence Akutagawa
Have fun!
Lawrence Akutagawa
Jerry Okamura
Lawrence Akutagawa
to duck defining what he meant by "basics" when he said - quote - "It is
Time for renewal.. back to the basics." I have to say that the conclusion
unavoidably is that John Bienko is one of those who likes to stir the pot
and then after throwing out a bunch of red herrings, thereafter duck the
issue.
Quack, quack!