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kangarooistan
18 October 2009
Gaza: Morality, Law and Politics
Sunday 7.10am repeated Wednesday 7pm
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/encounter/stories/2009/2708482.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/encounter/stories/2009/2708482.htm#transcript
|http://www.abc.net.au/rn/backgroundbriefing/features/rohan/
In December 2008, following continuing rocket fire from Gaza, the
Israeli Army invaded the Gaza strip.
There were many dead and wounded, and a huge amount of property and
infrastructure was destroyed. How are we to think about this sequence
of events? There are questions of law, morality and politics.
Gaza: Morality, Law and Politics
Report of the UN Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict
A section detailing the casualties during the conflict begins on page
90 of the report, which can be downloaded in PDF form from this site.
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/encounter/stories/2009/2708482.htm
- according to Reuters, Palestinian Ministry of Health, Jerusalem
Post and other Israeli and UN sources.
Presenter Margaret Coffey
Sound Engineer Tim Symonds
Sunday 7.10am repeated Wednesday 7pm
Series Producer Florence Spurling
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/encounter/stories/2009/2708482.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/encounter/stories/2009/2708482.htm#transcript
Today's program, Gaza: morality, law and politics attends to all those
questions. It's an edited version of a panel discussion hosted by the
School of Philosophy at Australian Catholic University, and convened
by Professor Raimund Gaita. The panel included Robert Manne, Mark
Baker, Gerri Simpson, Ghassan Hage and Geoffrey Levey and Rai Gaita -
among them historians, international law experts, a sociologist and a
philosopher.
The discussion followed a series of lectures and it picked up on some
of the main themes of the lectures. All of these lectures by the way
are available on the internet - you can find them through the
Encounter website - abc.net.au/rn/encounter. Robert Manne chaired the
panel discussion - he prefaced his questions to the panel with this.
Robert Manne: The first issue I want to raise is this: it seems to me
important and it has come up in many of the talks, to think about
where the Arab/Israeli conflict, not just Gaza, reached a point of
intractability or no return or whatever one wants to say.
In my view the point of no return for the deadlock was 1967 and its
aftermath. In politics sometimes it seems to me mistakes can be more
important than crimes. What I would say is what did Israel expect once
it decided and it wasn't immediate that it might have a chance of
holding on to the West Bank and Gaza, with fantasies of a greater
Israel. Even at the time or pretty soon after it was clear that a
number of things would follow from the decision to hold on: one is
that oppression and injustice [sic] of the Arab populations was
absolutely inevitable.
The second thing that I think was clear was that the Israeli body
politic would be poisoned by what it was doing, in particular I think
by the fact that the kind of injustice that was done would be denied -
and I think denialism is always a poisoning aspect in a society. It
was obvious that the occupation would hand the enemies of Israel
legitimation for their hostility to Israel. I think it was inevitable
that it would poison the relations between the Jewish population
inside 1948 Israel and its Arab population. Although not so inevitable
but I think it was likely, as it did, have a deleterious effect on the
political attitudes of what I will call Diaspora Jewry in particular
the most important community, the American Jewish community.
If things have gone wrong, I put my money very strongly on the
mistake, the profoundly important mistake that Israel made in the
decade or so after '67.
Margaret Coffey: Robert Manne, Professor of Politics at La Trobe
University, opening the discussion. Here is his second main point:
Robert Manne: It seems to me that even before the creation of the
State of Israel, a Jewish presence of a state-like form in the Middle
East was regarded as illegitimate. Even though the creation of the
Jewish state followed the gravest crime in the history of humanity,
the Holocaust, even though the creation of the Jewish state in the
Middle East was supported by almost the entire international world
with the exception of the Arab States at that time, Israel was and
continued to be regarded I'd say almost alone amongst the nations of
the world as an illegitimate entity by its neighbours. For me one of
the difficulties of the Arab-Israeli conflict is the difficulty of
disentangling these two rather stark facts - the mistake Israel made
after '67 and the unique regard of Israel as Illegitimate by many of
its neighbours over time. My two stark facts in a very vicious way
interact with each other and I think are to do with the intractability
of things now.