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Leroy N. Soetoro
May 14, 2012, 1:53:18 PM5/14/12
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http://www.mercurynews.com/traffic/ci_20597244/rising-california-gas-
prices-expected-increase-even-more
If West Coast motorists were stunned last week when gas prices jumped as
much as 16 cents a gallon at some stations, prepare for Stunner No. 2.
Prices could rise an additional 20 cents in the next few days, as refinery
problems continue to choke supplies for California's special blend of
clean burning gas. On Thursday, many Bay Area stations saw jumps of
several cents to a dime.
"Prepare to get clobbered," said Patrick DeHaan, the senior petroleum
analyst with GasBuddy.com.
West Coast gas inventories are at their lowest level in 20 years, he said,
and the blame is with production on the West Coast.
"Refineries have been having a lousy spring with not just one massive
facility outage," DeHaan said, "but smaller, more widespread issues."
At midday Thursday, Rotten Robbie President Tom Robinson was stunned to
find out that West Coast spot prices were 70 cents higher than on the New
York Mercantile Exchange. The exchange handles billions of dollars worth
of energy products and other commodities and is the basis for prices that
people pay for various commodities like oil throughout the world.
"Only a few weeks ago, we were lower than the Merc," Robinson said.
"Because it is related to refiner problems, I don't believe the increases
will last long, but they are currently very ugly."
The California average was $4.23 a gallon Thursday, up more than a dime
from the end of April. San Jose-area motorists were paying $4.23, San
Francisco $4.30 and those around Oakland $4.22.
Nationally, drivers are paying $3.74 a gallon, down 6 cents from last
week.
Bloomberg News reported that Phillips 66, Royal Dutch Shell and Tesoro
have been performing work on units at three out of the five refineries in
the Bay Area. And BP's Cherry Point refinery in Washington state also has
been down, but could restart production early next week.
But for some Bay Area motorists, the refinery issues weren't selling.
"Even though we are talking about gas and oil, something smells fishy,"
said Dave Wolf, of San Jose. "It would seem they could use some
imagination and ingenuity and stagger their repair and maintenance over
several weeks."
DeHaan said there are no other refineries that produce California's type
of gas and that no one else can help the West Coast.
"I certainly don't think there's a reason to panic about this," he said.
"There will still be gasoline.
"This warning is to prepare yourself, or make plans, knowing that gasoline
prices may jump a good amount soon."
--
Obama's black racist USAG appointee.
Eric Holder, racist black United States Attorney General drops voter
intimidation charges against the Black Panthers, "You are about to be
ruled by the black man, cracker!"
Eric Holder, prejudiced black United States Attorney General settles the
hate crime debate, "Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws."
Nancy Pelosi, Democrat criminal, accessory before and after the fact, to
former House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles B. Rangel of New
York's million dollar tax evasion.
Barack Obama and Eric Holder, committed treason by knowingly and
deliberately arming enemies of the United States of America through
Operation Fast and Furious. Complicit in the murder of Federal employees
during the execution of their duties.
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prices-expected-increase-even-more
If West Coast motorists were stunned last week when gas prices jumped as
much as 16 cents a gallon at some stations, prepare for Stunner No. 2.
Prices could rise an additional 20 cents in the next few days, as refinery
problems continue to choke supplies for California's special blend of
clean burning gas. On Thursday, many Bay Area stations saw jumps of
several cents to a dime.
"Prepare to get clobbered," said Patrick DeHaan, the senior petroleum
analyst with GasBuddy.com.
West Coast gas inventories are at their lowest level in 20 years, he said,
and the blame is with production on the West Coast.
"Refineries have been having a lousy spring with not just one massive
facility outage," DeHaan said, "but smaller, more widespread issues."
At midday Thursday, Rotten Robbie President Tom Robinson was stunned to
find out that West Coast spot prices were 70 cents higher than on the New
York Mercantile Exchange. The exchange handles billions of dollars worth
of energy products and other commodities and is the basis for prices that
people pay for various commodities like oil throughout the world.
"Only a few weeks ago, we were lower than the Merc," Robinson said.
"Because it is related to refiner problems, I don't believe the increases
will last long, but they are currently very ugly."
The California average was $4.23 a gallon Thursday, up more than a dime
from the end of April. San Jose-area motorists were paying $4.23, San
Francisco $4.30 and those around Oakland $4.22.
Nationally, drivers are paying $3.74 a gallon, down 6 cents from last
week.
Bloomberg News reported that Phillips 66, Royal Dutch Shell and Tesoro
have been performing work on units at three out of the five refineries in
the Bay Area. And BP's Cherry Point refinery in Washington state also has
been down, but could restart production early next week.
But for some Bay Area motorists, the refinery issues weren't selling.
"Even though we are talking about gas and oil, something smells fishy,"
said Dave Wolf, of San Jose. "It would seem they could use some
imagination and ingenuity and stagger their repair and maintenance over
several weeks."
DeHaan said there are no other refineries that produce California's type
of gas and that no one else can help the West Coast.
"I certainly don't think there's a reason to panic about this," he said.
"There will still be gasoline.
"This warning is to prepare yourself, or make plans, knowing that gasoline
prices may jump a good amount soon."
--
Obama's black racist USAG appointee.
Eric Holder, racist black United States Attorney General drops voter
intimidation charges against the Black Panthers, "You are about to be
ruled by the black man, cracker!"
Eric Holder, prejudiced black United States Attorney General settles the
hate crime debate, "Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws."
Nancy Pelosi, Democrat criminal, accessory before and after the fact, to
former House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles B. Rangel of New
York's million dollar tax evasion.
Barack Obama and Eric Holder, committed treason by knowingly and
deliberately arming enemies of the United States of America through
Operation Fast and Furious. Complicit in the murder of Federal employees
during the execution of their duties.
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The Real Bev
May 14, 2012, 4:28:52 PM5/14/12
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On 05/14/2012 10:53 AM, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
> http://www.mercurynews.com/traffic/ci_20597244/rising-california-gas-
> prices-expected-increase-even-more
...
envirodummies and their paid minions/henchmen. And Brown knows we're
bleeding money and STILL refuses to stop spending.
And let's not forget how much it's going to cost to kill the barred owls
who are molesting the spotted owls.
--
Cheers, Bev
"Qui custodiet ipsos custodes?" --Juvenal
> http://www.mercurynews.com/traffic/ci_20597244/rising-california-gas-
> prices-expected-increase-even-more
...
> DeHaan said there are no other refineries that produce California's type
> of gas and that no one else can help the West Coast.
>
> "I certainly don't think there's a reason to panic about this," he said.
> "There will still be gasoline.
>
> "This warning is to prepare yourself, or make plans, knowing that gasoline
> prices may jump a good amount soon."
Yet another benefit brought to you (us) by the fuzzy-brained
> of gas and that no one else can help the West Coast.
>
> "I certainly don't think there's a reason to panic about this," he said.
> "There will still be gasoline.
>
> "This warning is to prepare yourself, or make plans, knowing that gasoline
> prices may jump a good amount soon."
envirodummies and their paid minions/henchmen. And Brown knows we're
bleeding money and STILL refuses to stop spending.
And let's not forget how much it's going to cost to kill the barred owls
who are molesting the spotted owls.
--
Cheers, Bev
"Qui custodiet ipsos custodes?" --Juvenal
hippy dippy dude
May 14, 2012, 6:54:54 PM5/14/12
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we aren't going to see the Country returned to service to American
Citizens.
What we have now Is the Global 1% Stakeholders operating our Country as
a livestock ranch or feudal colony. We are the cattle and our rights and
wants and desires and freedoms don't mean squat. Keeping the herd
subdues and producing wealth for the Global 1% is what is happening,
Fight hard or work enough and you nay escape and become one of the
1%.Usually you have to be able to graduate from the school of herding
like Harvard etc.
Middle Class is now perhaps 500,000.00 devalued dollars. Wealth doesn't
being until 10,000.000.00 or so. Most wealth won't inculde you unless
you have 100,000,000,00 or more devalued dollars.
We're back to what our Forefathers sought to protect our Republic an us
from. Feudal rule by the Global Economic Ruling Elites or Stakeholders
in our and the global economy. They rule by power their wealth buys.
It is one dollar or one million dollars one vote.
We don't have a steak or any say. The UN operates without any input from
us either. They over ride our Constitution by treaties and illegal trade
(treaties)agreements.
The Change we see is for us. Brusssels envissions their champion turning
us into another European Socialistee society where Indivduality or
freedom is denied and we are well monitored and survailtoed and
monitored and profiled to predict and prevent Americans from getting out
of the lines dictated by the 1% to protect them, from us, and the them
from Muslim terrorists and where Americans that or out of line are
labled Domestic Terrorists.
abelincoln
May 14, 2012, 10:56:52 PM5/14/12
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Thank you Mr. Obama, and Islam thanks you, and the queers thank you. All
the people you identify with.
the people you identify with.
abelincoln
May 14, 2012, 11:18:14 PM5/14/12
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In article <XnsA0536EA637...@202.177.16.121>
They went up as soon as the asshole Obama set foot in
California! What does that tell you?
California! What does that tell you?
Orval Fairbairn
May 14, 2012, 11:27:30 PM5/14/12
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In article <josglk$kps$4...@wieslauf.sub.de>,
co-opted the Democrat Party and now run California (into the ground).
abelincoln <unplanned...@repugnantssuck.com> wrote:
> Thank you Mr. Obama, and Islam thanks you, and the queers thank you. All
> the people you identify with.
Thank, especially, the "Progressives" and environmentalists, who have
> Thank you Mr. Obama, and Islam thanks you, and the queers thank you. All
> the people you identify with.
co-opted the Democrat Party and now run California (into the ground).
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 20, 2012, 12:41:53 PM5/20/12
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On 5/14/2012 12:53 PM, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
> [...]
Wah, wah, wah. Gasoline needs to be at about $12/gallon to pay for all
the externalities.
Quit whining about being able to buy heavily subsidized fuel, while
driving on heavily subsidized roads, and parking in heavily subsidized lots.
For all the anti-socialist rhetoric, you people sure want a lot of
government handouts.
--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!
> [...]
> The California average was $4.23 a gallon Thursday, up more than a dime
> from the end of April. San Jose-area motorists were paying $4.23, San
> Francisco $4.30 and those around Oakland $4.22.
> Nationally, drivers are paying $3.74 a gallon, down 6 cents from last
> week.[...]
> from the end of April. San Jose-area motorists were paying $4.23, San
> Francisco $4.30 and those around Oakland $4.22.
> Nationally, drivers are paying $3.74 a gallon, down 6 cents from last
Wah, wah, wah. Gasoline needs to be at about $12/gallon to pay for all
the externalities.
Quit whining about being able to buy heavily subsidized fuel, while
driving on heavily subsidized roads, and parking in heavily subsidized lots.
For all the anti-socialist rhetoric, you people sure want a lot of
government handouts.
--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!
Flybd5
May 20, 2012, 1:27:10 PM5/20/12
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On 05/20/2012 09:41 AM, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
> On 5/14/2012 12:53 PM, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
>> [...]
> > The California average was $4.23 a gallon Thursday, up more than a dime
>> from the end of April. San Jose-area motorists were paying $4.23, San
>> Francisco $4.30 and those around Oakland $4.22.
>> Nationally, drivers are paying $3.74 a gallon, down 6 cents from last
>> week.[...]
>
Thank you, Mr. Obama.
> On 5/14/2012 12:53 PM, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
>> [...]
> > The California average was $4.23 a gallon Thursday, up more than a dime
>> from the end of April. San Jose-area motorists were paying $4.23, San
>> Francisco $4.30 and those around Oakland $4.22.
>> Nationally, drivers are paying $3.74 a gallon, down 6 cents from last
>> week.[...]
>
The Real Bev
May 20, 2012, 3:50:56 PM5/20/12
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On 05/20/2012 09:41 AM, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
> On 5/14/2012 12:53 PM, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
>> [...]
> > The California average was $4.23 a gallon Thursday, up more than a dime
>> from the end of April. San Jose-area motorists were paying $4.23, San
>> Francisco $4.30 and those around Oakland $4.22.
>> Nationally, drivers are paying $3.74 a gallon, down 6 cents from last
>> week.[...]
>
> Wah, wah, wah. Gasoline needs to be at about $12/gallon to pay for all
> the externalities.
>
> Quit whining about being able to buy heavily subsidized fuel, while
> driving on heavily subsidized roads, and parking in heavily subsidized lots.
Convenient low-cost reasonably safe at-will transportation is a benefit
>> [...]
> > The California average was $4.23 a gallon Thursday, up more than a dime
>> from the end of April. San Jose-area motorists were paying $4.23, San
>> Francisco $4.30 and those around Oakland $4.22.
>> Nationally, drivers are paying $3.74 a gallon, down 6 cents from last
>> week.[...]
>
> Wah, wah, wah. Gasoline needs to be at about $12/gallon to pay for all
> the externalities.
>
> Quit whining about being able to buy heavily subsidized fuel, while
> driving on heavily subsidized roads, and parking in heavily subsidized lots.
to everyone, not just drivers.
> For all the anti-socialist rhetoric, you people sure want a lot of
> government handouts.
--
Cheers, Bev
============================================================
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Crowd: We are! We are!
Person in crowd: I'm not! -- Monty Python
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 20, 2012, 4:29:45 PM5/20/12
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On 5/20/2012 2:50 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 05/20/2012 09:41 AM, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
>
>> On 5/14/2012 12:53 PM, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
>>> [...]
>> > The California average was $4.23 a gallon Thursday, up more than a dime
>>> from the end of April. San Jose-area motorists were paying $4.23, San
>>> Francisco $4.30 and those around Oakland $4.22.
>>> Nationally, drivers are paying $3.74 a gallon, down 6 cents from last
>>> week.[...]
>>
>> Wah, wah, wah. Gasoline needs to be at about $12/gallon to pay for all
>> the externalities.
>>
>> Quit whining about being able to buy heavily subsidized fuel, while
>> driving on heavily subsidized roads, and parking in heavily subsidized
>> lots.
>
> Convenient low-cost reasonably safe at-will transportation is a benefit
> to everyone, not just drivers.
>
>> For all the anti-socialist rhetoric, you people sure want a lot of
>> government handouts.
>
> Up to a point taxes buy civilization. Beyond that point they buy tyranny.
>
People could always ride scooters to save gas money. Scooters are about
> On 05/20/2012 09:41 AM, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
>
>> On 5/14/2012 12:53 PM, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
>>> [...]
>> > The California average was $4.23 a gallon Thursday, up more than a dime
>>> from the end of April. San Jose-area motorists were paying $4.23, San
>>> Francisco $4.30 and those around Oakland $4.22.
>>> Nationally, drivers are paying $3.74 a gallon, down 6 cents from last
>>> week.[...]
>>
>> Wah, wah, wah. Gasoline needs to be at about $12/gallon to pay for all
>> the externalities.
>>
>> Quit whining about being able to buy heavily subsidized fuel, while
>> driving on heavily subsidized roads, and parking in heavily subsidized
>> lots.
>
> Convenient low-cost reasonably safe at-will transportation is a benefit
> to everyone, not just drivers.
>
>> For all the anti-socialist rhetoric, you people sure want a lot of
>> government handouts.
>
> Up to a point taxes buy civilization. Beyond that point they buy tyranny.
>
as much fun as you can legally have in public - I find "long-cuts" just
to extend my commuting riding time. :)
I even ride mine in the Iowa winter [1] when the roads are snow-ice
free. May get some knobby tires with studs to ride all year around.
[1] Love it when people who own snowmobiles ask me how I can ride when
it is so cold. :)
emoneyjoe
May 20, 2012, 4:43:46 PM5/20/12
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gasoline prices are more dependent on where
it has to be transported to, have you looked at
the production, refining and consumption for
California? I haven't, but it would show if it
is taxes or availability that makes prices higher.
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 20, 2012, 5:31:52 PM5/20/12
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regions that are major sources of hydrocarbon extraction?
The northern Europeans pay the equivalent of $8 to $12 per gallon, yet
they have a better quality of life than USians.
Orval Fairbairn
May 20, 2012, 5:52:59 PM5/20/12
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Orval Fairbairn
May 20, 2012, 5:55:27 PM5/20/12
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In article <jpbnsb$fa7$1...@dont-email.me>,
Please define "better quality of life."
I happen to think that my quality of life is far better than that of
Europeans -- and I have a number of European friends who would agree
with me. They spend as much time here in the Us as they can.
I happen to think that my quality of life is far better than that of
Europeans -- and I have a number of European friends who would agree
with me. They spend as much time here in the Us as they can.
The Real Bev
May 20, 2012, 6:10:03 PM5/20/12
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On 05/20/2012 01:43 PM, emoneyjoe wrote:
> You have a sick idea about what socialism is,
> gasoline prices are more dependent on where
> it has to be transported to, have you looked at
> the production, refining and consumption for
> California? I haven't, but it would show if it
> is taxes or availability that makes prices higher.
According to http://www.californiagasprices.com/tax_info.aspx
> You have a sick idea about what socialism is,
> gasoline prices are more dependent on where
> it has to be transported to, have you looked at
> the production, refining and consumption for
> California? I haven't, but it would show if it
> is taxes or availability that makes prices higher.
We pay 35.3 cents/gallon and 15.2 (not clear if this is cents/gallon or
percentage of cost). On top of that are sales taxes which run as high
as 9.75& on top of (presumably) all the other taxes.
Perhaps this page takes that into account:
http://www.californiagasprices.com/USA_Tax_Map.aspx
Remember, part of the real cost is the tax on gasoline/diesel that the
truckers who haul the stuff pay.
I remember reading somewhere that governments make more in taxes on gas
and tobacco than the producers do. What's wrong with this picture?
--
Cheers, Bev
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"No one's life, liberty or property is safe while
the legislature is in session." -- Mark Twain
Sid9
May 20, 2012, 6:24:42 PM5/20/12
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"The Real Bev" <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:jpbq3r$rri$1...@dont-email.me...
> On 05/20/2012 01:43 PM, emoneyjoe wrote:
>
>> You have a sick idea about what socialism is,
>> gasoline prices are more dependent on where
>> it has to be transported to, have you looked at
>> the production, refining and consumption for
>> California? I haven't, but it would show if it
>> is taxes or availability that makes prices higher.
>
> According to http://www.californiagasprices.com/tax_info.aspx
>
> We pay 35.3 cents/gallon and 15.2 (not clear if this is cents/gallon or
> percentage of cost). On top of that are sales taxes which run as high as
> 9.75& on top of (presumably) all the other taxes.
>
> Perhaps this page takes that into account:
> http://www.californiagasprices.com/USA_Tax_Map.aspx
>
> Remember, part of the real cost is the tax on gasoline/diesel that the
> truckers who haul the stuff pay.
>
> I remember reading somewhere that governments make more in taxes on gas
> and tobacco than the producers do. What's wrong with this picture?
>
.
>
>> You have a sick idea about what socialism is,
>> gasoline prices are more dependent on where
>> it has to be transported to, have you looked at
>> the production, refining and consumption for
>> California? I haven't, but it would show if it
>> is taxes or availability that makes prices higher.
>
> According to http://www.californiagasprices.com/tax_info.aspx
>
> We pay 35.3 cents/gallon and 15.2 (not clear if this is cents/gallon or
> percentage of cost). On top of that are sales taxes which run as high as
> 9.75& on top of (presumably) all the other taxes.
>
> Perhaps this page takes that into account:
> http://www.californiagasprices.com/USA_Tax_Map.aspx
>
> Remember, part of the real cost is the tax on gasoline/diesel that the
> truckers who haul the stuff pay.
>
> I remember reading somewhere that governments make more in taxes on gas
> and tobacco than the producers do. What's wrong with this picture?
>
.
Roads and all that that goes with having roads is not free.
There's nothing wrong with this picture.
Except to freeloaders......
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 20, 2012, 7:00:00 PM5/20/12
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the people who bring a butter knife to a tactical nuclear engagement. :)
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 20, 2012, 7:01:03 PM5/20/12
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> I happen to think that my quality of life is far better than that of
> Europeans -- and I have a number of European friends who would agree
> with me. They spend as much time here in the Us as they can.
glad of it.
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 20, 2012, 7:03:29 PM5/20/12
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On 5/20/2012 5:10 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 05/20/2012 01:43 PM, emoneyjoe wrote:
>
>> You have a sick idea about what socialism is,
>> gasoline prices are more dependent on where
>> it has to be transported to, have you looked at
>> the production, refining and consumption for
>> California? I haven't, but it would show if it
>> is taxes or availability that makes prices higher.
>
> According to http://www.californiagasprices.com/tax_info.aspx
>
> We pay 35.3 cents/gallon and 15.2 (not clear if this is cents/gallon or
> percentage of cost). On top of that are sales taxes which run as high as
> 9.75& on top of (presumably) all the other taxes.
>
> Perhaps this page takes that into account:
> http://www.californiagasprices.com/USA_Tax_Map.aspx
>
> Remember, part of the real cost is the tax on gasoline/diesel that the
> truckers who haul the stuff pay.
>
> I remember reading somewhere that governments make more in taxes on gas
> and tobacco than the producers do. What's wrong with this picture?
>
The gas station/C-store owners make little to no profit on selling
> On 05/20/2012 01:43 PM, emoneyjoe wrote:
>
>> You have a sick idea about what socialism is,
>> gasoline prices are more dependent on where
>> it has to be transported to, have you looked at
>> the production, refining and consumption for
>> California? I haven't, but it would show if it
>> is taxes or availability that makes prices higher.
>
> According to http://www.californiagasprices.com/tax_info.aspx
>
> We pay 35.3 cents/gallon and 15.2 (not clear if this is cents/gallon or
> percentage of cost). On top of that are sales taxes which run as high as
> 9.75& on top of (presumably) all the other taxes.
>
> Perhaps this page takes that into account:
> http://www.californiagasprices.com/USA_Tax_Map.aspx
>
> Remember, part of the real cost is the tax on gasoline/diesel that the
> truckers who haul the stuff pay.
>
> I remember reading somewhere that governments make more in taxes on gas
> and tobacco than the producers do. What's wrong with this picture?
>
gasoline and diesel fuel - that is just a way to get you inside the
store to buy something else.
On the other hand, the large oil companies have made the largest profits
ever in recent years.
Gunner Asch
May 20, 2012, 7:15:22 PM5/20/12
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day. I dont think a scooter is in my agenda for work/play. And it
doesnt pull one of the sail boats nor the work/fun trailers
Gunner
--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".
Gunner Asch
May 20, 2012, 7:16:34 PM5/20/12
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not because of the cost of production or sale.
Gunner Asch
May 20, 2012, 7:22:14 PM5/20/12
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On Sun, 20 May 2012 15:10:03 -0700, The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On 05/20/2012 01:43 PM, emoneyjoe wrote:
>
>> You have a sick idea about what socialism is,
>> gasoline prices are more dependent on where
>> it has to be transported to, have you looked at
>> the production, refining and consumption for
>> California? I haven't, but it would show if it
>> is taxes or availability that makes prices higher.
>
>According to http://www.californiagasprices.com/tax_info.aspx
>
>We pay 35.3 cents/gallon and 15.2 (not clear if this is cents/gallon or
>percentage of cost). On top of that are sales taxes which run as high
>as 9.75& on top of (presumably) all the other taxes.
15.2 cents per gallon
>
>Perhaps this page takes that into account:
>http://www.californiagasprices.com/USA_Tax_Map.aspx
>
>Remember, part of the real cost is the tax on gasoline/diesel that the
>truckers who haul the stuff pay.
>
>I remember reading somewhere that governments make more in taxes on gas
>and tobacco than the producers do. What's wrong with this picture?
Each gallon of gas sold earns the oil companies about .08 a gallon
profit.
http://jb-williams.com/4-25-06.htm
Who is "gouging" Whom at the Pumps?
Written by JB Williams
Evil Capitalists or Power Hungry Politicians? Washington Democrats rush
to exploit yet another hot button issue warming up for the mid-term
elections in November - rising oil & gas prices. It is an issue that
affects many Americans and Democrats hope to convince those Americans
that greedy Bush oil buddies are to blame. But as usual, the real facts
are quite different from the bogus campaign rhetoric...
Who is getting rich at the gas pumps?
For starters, many average Americans who hold stock in the oil
companies, either directly or indirectly through their 410k or mutual
fund. But the fact is, the gross profit margin for a gallon of gas in
America today, is what it has always been, on average, .08 cents per
gallon, (2.5% at $3.00 per gallon). Though retail gas prices fluctuate
with crude prices and supply vs. demand, the gross profit margin per
gallon remains roughly the same at all times. (No evidence of price
gouging here.)
However the federal government profits approximately .59 cents per
gallon through gasoline taxes, 7 ½ times or 750% that of the oil
producers themselves and 20% of the price at the pumps. Pay attention
here, Washington liberals are attacking oil companies for their 2.5%
gross profit margin, while Washington is profiting 20% per gallon.
Democrats answer? Tax some more?
If oil companies cut their profit margins by 50%, it would drop the
price of a gallon of gas by only .04 cents per gallon. If Washington law
makers cut their take by 50%, gasoline would cost .30 cents per gallon
less. If the federal government didn’t tax gasoline at all, the price
per gallon at the pumps would be $2.40 per gallon instead of $3.00 per
gallon and the oil companies would still be at a respectable 2.5% gross
profit margin. Who is gouging whom?
Have oil companies sought to inflate gas prices for profit?
If they did, they would have to do it by increasing their per gallon
profit margin. Holding their gross margin at 2.5% (.08 cents per gallon)
will result in higher overall profits as consumption rises, and both
consumption and prices rise during travel seasons. But it does not
demonstrate any effort to “gouge” consumers at the pumps.
On the other hand, .59 cents per gallon or 20% of retail gasoline prices
is certainly a demonstration of an effort to gouge consumers, but by way
of taxation from the federal government. The consumer is in fact being
gouged at the pumps and they have been for some years now, by our
federal and state governments. Who is gouging whom?
Why have gas prices gone up so much?
They haven’t. Over the last 20 years, gasoline per gallon has increased
roughly 60%, which equals an annual average increase of only 3%, which
is less than the average rate of inflation.
During the same 20 year period however, the salary of every member of
Congress has increased 250% or 12.5% per year. More than four times the
average rate of inflation. Who is gouging whom? Who looks greedy now?
Are Americans specifically being gouged by OPEC?
Quite the opposite. The most expensive places in the world to buy gas
are The Netherlands, Norway, Italy, Denmark and Belgium, all of which
are now above $7.00 per gallon at the pumps. Of course, all of which are
socialist governments with even heavier taxes per gallon than America.
The least expensive places in the world are Venezuela, Nigeria, Egypt,
Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, ranging between .15 cents and .95 cents per
gallon at their pumps. That’s because these are the largest oil
saturated countries in the world.
America is the single largest consumer of oil products, yet our retail
prices are very average in the world market, despite excessive federal
taxation. Who is gouging whom?
Where does all the money go?
Based upon a $3.00 gallon of gasoline, the average break-down is as
follows.
Gasoline Retailer $.01 cents per gallon
Oil Company $.08 cents per gallon
Refining $.29 cents per gallon
Marketing/Distribution $.32 cents per gallon
Taxes $.59 cents per gallon
Cost of crude $1.71 per gallon (delivered)
Who is gouging who?
Why is there a wide price variation between locations?
Gasoline is used by American retailers as a “loss leader” product. A
means of attracting consumers into their retail establishment with at
best a “break even” product, in an effort to sell other goods and
services at a profit. This keeps prices at the pump as low as possible
through open competition. The local stations with nothing but gas to
sell will be higher per gallon on average of course.
State to state, additional gasoline taxes and refining requirements as
well as distance from the closest refinery are the largest factors.
California is particularly high due to their excessive taxation and
environmental blend requirements as an example. These added refining
requirements also means that California experiences more shortages than
any other state. When they run low on supply, they can not import from a
neighboring state without violating their more stringent state
environmental codes. So who is gouging whom?
The Democrats answer to every problem, tax it some more?
Smelling blood in the political waters in an election year makes every
issue a campaign issue perfect for exploitation and current consumer
complaints over prices at the pumps is no exception.
Democrats call for an all out attack on those greedy rich oil companies,
which is like throwing red meat to their blue state socialist
constituents who see not only corporate greed, but capitalism itself as
the root of all evil in the world.
Their answer to high gasoline prices? Launch yet another “independent”
(partisan) investigation into high gasoline prices during an election
year when winning congressional seats in Washington might be the only
thing that can save their failed party from extinction.
But will attacking the group making the least on a gallon of gas, the
group responsible for ongoing exploration and production of gasoline,
solve the problem? Should some new “windfall-profit” tax aimed at
penalizing American companies for turning a profit be imposed?
In a word, NO! This attitude is the cause of the problem to the degree
you can prove any real problem exists at all. If we should penalize oil
companies for making .08 cents per gallon gross profit, how much should
we penalize our federal government for making .59 cents per gallon?
Corporations don’t pay taxes!
They do collect and remit taxes. But every penny of taxes placed on
corporate income is passed on to the consumer in the form of higher
retail prices, just like the .59 cents per gallon of federal taxes being
collected on behalf of the federal government at the pumps today.
So will electing Democrats who hope to tax gasoline (or any corporate
entity) even more help curb prices at the pump, the supermarket or
anywhere else? If so, I’d sure like to hear how?
How do you think gasoline got to be .59 cents per gallon higher than
need be? How do you think our government got to the point of consuming
nearly 60% of GDP in the first place?
You show me where the problem is and who is doing the endless gouging of
average Americans?
Is it the oil companies at .08 cents per gallon? Or is it the government
at .59 cents per gallon, for producing absolutely nothing?
Democrats seek to increase gasoline taxes beyond the current .59 cent
per gallon level. Can you explain how this will reduce prices at the
pump? No…nobody can.
wrote:
>On 05/20/2012 01:43 PM, emoneyjoe wrote:
>
>> You have a sick idea about what socialism is,
>> gasoline prices are more dependent on where
>> it has to be transported to, have you looked at
>> the production, refining and consumption for
>> California? I haven't, but it would show if it
>> is taxes or availability that makes prices higher.
>
>According to http://www.californiagasprices.com/tax_info.aspx
>
>We pay 35.3 cents/gallon and 15.2 (not clear if this is cents/gallon or
>percentage of cost). On top of that are sales taxes which run as high
>as 9.75& on top of (presumably) all the other taxes.
>
>Perhaps this page takes that into account:
>http://www.californiagasprices.com/USA_Tax_Map.aspx
>
>Remember, part of the real cost is the tax on gasoline/diesel that the
>truckers who haul the stuff pay.
>
>I remember reading somewhere that governments make more in taxes on gas
>and tobacco than the producers do. What's wrong with this picture?
profit.
http://jb-williams.com/4-25-06.htm
Who is "gouging" Whom at the Pumps?
Written by JB Williams
Evil Capitalists or Power Hungry Politicians? Washington Democrats rush
to exploit yet another hot button issue warming up for the mid-term
elections in November - rising oil & gas prices. It is an issue that
affects many Americans and Democrats hope to convince those Americans
that greedy Bush oil buddies are to blame. But as usual, the real facts
are quite different from the bogus campaign rhetoric...
Who is getting rich at the gas pumps?
For starters, many average Americans who hold stock in the oil
companies, either directly or indirectly through their 410k or mutual
fund. But the fact is, the gross profit margin for a gallon of gas in
America today, is what it has always been, on average, .08 cents per
gallon, (2.5% at $3.00 per gallon). Though retail gas prices fluctuate
with crude prices and supply vs. demand, the gross profit margin per
gallon remains roughly the same at all times. (No evidence of price
gouging here.)
However the federal government profits approximately .59 cents per
gallon through gasoline taxes, 7 ½ times or 750% that of the oil
producers themselves and 20% of the price at the pumps. Pay attention
here, Washington liberals are attacking oil companies for their 2.5%
gross profit margin, while Washington is profiting 20% per gallon.
Democrats answer? Tax some more?
If oil companies cut their profit margins by 50%, it would drop the
price of a gallon of gas by only .04 cents per gallon. If Washington law
makers cut their take by 50%, gasoline would cost .30 cents per gallon
less. If the federal government didn’t tax gasoline at all, the price
per gallon at the pumps would be $2.40 per gallon instead of $3.00 per
gallon and the oil companies would still be at a respectable 2.5% gross
profit margin. Who is gouging whom?
Have oil companies sought to inflate gas prices for profit?
If they did, they would have to do it by increasing their per gallon
profit margin. Holding their gross margin at 2.5% (.08 cents per gallon)
will result in higher overall profits as consumption rises, and both
consumption and prices rise during travel seasons. But it does not
demonstrate any effort to “gouge” consumers at the pumps.
On the other hand, .59 cents per gallon or 20% of retail gasoline prices
is certainly a demonstration of an effort to gouge consumers, but by way
of taxation from the federal government. The consumer is in fact being
gouged at the pumps and they have been for some years now, by our
federal and state governments. Who is gouging whom?
Why have gas prices gone up so much?
They haven’t. Over the last 20 years, gasoline per gallon has increased
roughly 60%, which equals an annual average increase of only 3%, which
is less than the average rate of inflation.
During the same 20 year period however, the salary of every member of
Congress has increased 250% or 12.5% per year. More than four times the
average rate of inflation. Who is gouging whom? Who looks greedy now?
Are Americans specifically being gouged by OPEC?
Quite the opposite. The most expensive places in the world to buy gas
are The Netherlands, Norway, Italy, Denmark and Belgium, all of which
are now above $7.00 per gallon at the pumps. Of course, all of which are
socialist governments with even heavier taxes per gallon than America.
The least expensive places in the world are Venezuela, Nigeria, Egypt,
Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, ranging between .15 cents and .95 cents per
gallon at their pumps. That’s because these are the largest oil
saturated countries in the world.
America is the single largest consumer of oil products, yet our retail
prices are very average in the world market, despite excessive federal
taxation. Who is gouging whom?
Where does all the money go?
Based upon a $3.00 gallon of gasoline, the average break-down is as
follows.
Gasoline Retailer $.01 cents per gallon
Oil Company $.08 cents per gallon
Refining $.29 cents per gallon
Marketing/Distribution $.32 cents per gallon
Taxes $.59 cents per gallon
Cost of crude $1.71 per gallon (delivered)
Who is gouging who?
Why is there a wide price variation between locations?
Gasoline is used by American retailers as a “loss leader” product. A
means of attracting consumers into their retail establishment with at
best a “break even” product, in an effort to sell other goods and
services at a profit. This keeps prices at the pump as low as possible
through open competition. The local stations with nothing but gas to
sell will be higher per gallon on average of course.
State to state, additional gasoline taxes and refining requirements as
well as distance from the closest refinery are the largest factors.
California is particularly high due to their excessive taxation and
environmental blend requirements as an example. These added refining
requirements also means that California experiences more shortages than
any other state. When they run low on supply, they can not import from a
neighboring state without violating their more stringent state
environmental codes. So who is gouging whom?
The Democrats answer to every problem, tax it some more?
Smelling blood in the political waters in an election year makes every
issue a campaign issue perfect for exploitation and current consumer
complaints over prices at the pumps is no exception.
Democrats call for an all out attack on those greedy rich oil companies,
which is like throwing red meat to their blue state socialist
constituents who see not only corporate greed, but capitalism itself as
the root of all evil in the world.
Their answer to high gasoline prices? Launch yet another “independent”
(partisan) investigation into high gasoline prices during an election
year when winning congressional seats in Washington might be the only
thing that can save their failed party from extinction.
But will attacking the group making the least on a gallon of gas, the
group responsible for ongoing exploration and production of gasoline,
solve the problem? Should some new “windfall-profit” tax aimed at
penalizing American companies for turning a profit be imposed?
In a word, NO! This attitude is the cause of the problem to the degree
you can prove any real problem exists at all. If we should penalize oil
companies for making .08 cents per gallon gross profit, how much should
we penalize our federal government for making .59 cents per gallon?
Corporations don’t pay taxes!
They do collect and remit taxes. But every penny of taxes placed on
corporate income is passed on to the consumer in the form of higher
retail prices, just like the .59 cents per gallon of federal taxes being
collected on behalf of the federal government at the pumps today.
So will electing Democrats who hope to tax gasoline (or any corporate
entity) even more help curb prices at the pump, the supermarket or
anywhere else? If so, I’d sure like to hear how?
How do you think gasoline got to be .59 cents per gallon higher than
need be? How do you think our government got to the point of consuming
nearly 60% of GDP in the first place?
You show me where the problem is and who is doing the endless gouging of
average Americans?
Is it the oil companies at .08 cents per gallon? Or is it the government
at .59 cents per gallon, for producing absolutely nothing?
Democrats seek to increase gasoline taxes beyond the current .59 cent
per gallon level. Can you explain how this will reduce prices at the
pump? No…nobody can.
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 20, 2012, 7:30:41 PM5/20/12
to
On 5/20/2012 6:15 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> I carry about 800 lbs of tools and materials in my truck each and every
> day. I dont think a scooter is in my agenda for work/play. And it
> doesnt pull one of the sail boats nor the work/fun trailers
Yeah, but what about all the people who use a 1.5 to 4-ton vehicle to
>
> I carry about 800 lbs of tools and materials in my truck each and every
> day. I dont think a scooter is in my agenda for work/play. And it
> doesnt pull one of the sail boats nor the work/fun trailers
carry nothing but themselves?
emoneyjoe
May 20, 2012, 9:17:23 PM5/20/12
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On Sun, 20 May 2012 16:31:52 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
>almost all in
>regions that are major sources of hydrocarbon extraction?
Like Japan and South Korea, Germany, Great
Britain?
>The northern Europeans pay the equivalent of $8 to $12 per gallon, yet
>they have a better quality of life than USians.
So _they_ say.
But they don't pay any income tax, do they?
The reason they made the cost so high was
because they don't have much oil.
Does California have a higher state gas tax
than other states?
Do they have any refineries at all, surely there
is none in the L.A. basin.
There is a reason for everything, except
the high price of gasoline, it was 11 cents a
gallon in the midwest in 1971 delivered to a
cab company tank, where taxes were paid
on mileage.
I don't know how they got to $3.50.
Is it possible Long Beach is running dry,
it was pumping like mad in 1965.
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>On 5/20/2012 3:43 PM, emoneyjoe wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 May 2012 11:41:53 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
>> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/14/2012 12:53 PM, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>> The California average was $4.23 a gallon Thursday, up more than a dime
>>>> from the end of April. San Jose-area motorists were paying $4.23, San
>>>> Francisco $4.30 and those around Oakland $4.22.
>>>> Nationally, drivers are paying $3.74 a gallon, down 6 cents from last
>>>> week.[...]
>>>
>>> Wah, wah, wah. Gasoline needs to be at about $12/gallon to pay for all
>>> the externalities.
>>>
>>> Quit whining about being able to buy heavily subsidized fuel, while
>>> driving on heavily subsidized roads, and parking in heavily subsidized lots.
>>>
>>> For all the anti-socialist rhetoric, you people sure want a lot of
>>> government handouts.
>>
>> You have a sick idea about what socialism is,
>> gasoline prices are more dependent on where
>> it has to be transported to, have you looked at
>> the production, refining and consumption for
>> California? I haven't, but it would show if it
>> is taxes or availability that makes prices higher.
>
>Do you realize the US has over 700 foreign military bases,
If there is that many, no, I didn't.
>On 5/20/2012 3:43 PM, emoneyjoe wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 May 2012 11:41:53 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
>> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/14/2012 12:53 PM, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>> The California average was $4.23 a gallon Thursday, up more than a dime
>>>> from the end of April. San Jose-area motorists were paying $4.23, San
>>>> Francisco $4.30 and those around Oakland $4.22.
>>>> Nationally, drivers are paying $3.74 a gallon, down 6 cents from last
>>>> week.[...]
>>>
>>> Wah, wah, wah. Gasoline needs to be at about $12/gallon to pay for all
>>> the externalities.
>>>
>>> Quit whining about being able to buy heavily subsidized fuel, while
>>> driving on heavily subsidized roads, and parking in heavily subsidized lots.
>>>
>>> For all the anti-socialist rhetoric, you people sure want a lot of
>>> government handouts.
>>
>> You have a sick idea about what socialism is,
>> gasoline prices are more dependent on where
>> it has to be transported to, have you looked at
>> the production, refining and consumption for
>> California? I haven't, but it would show if it
>> is taxes or availability that makes prices higher.
>
>Do you realize the US has over 700 foreign military bases,
>almost all in
>regions that are major sources of hydrocarbon extraction?
Britain?
>The northern Europeans pay the equivalent of $8 to $12 per gallon, yet
>they have a better quality of life than USians.
But they don't pay any income tax, do they?
The reason they made the cost so high was
because they don't have much oil.
Does California have a higher state gas tax
than other states?
Do they have any refineries at all, surely there
is none in the L.A. basin.
There is a reason for everything, except
the high price of gasoline, it was 11 cents a
gallon in the midwest in 1971 delivered to a
cab company tank, where taxes were paid
on mileage.
I don't know how they got to $3.50.
Is it possible Long Beach is running dry,
it was pumping like mad in 1965.
emoneyjoe
May 20, 2012, 9:30:36 PM5/20/12
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>On 05/20/2012 01:43 PM, emoneyjoe wrote:
>
>> You have a sick idea about what socialism is,
>> gasoline prices are more dependent on where
>> it has to be transported to, have you looked at
>> the production, refining and consumption for
>> California? I haven't, but it would show if it
>> is taxes or availability that makes prices higher.
>
>According to http://www.californiagasprices.com/tax_info.aspx
>
>We pay 35.3 cents/gallon and 15.2 (not clear if this is cents/gallon or
>percentage of cost). On top of that are sales taxes which run as high
>as 9.75& on top of (presumably) all the other taxes.
>
>Perhaps this page takes that into account:
>http://www.californiagasprices.com/USA_Tax_Map.aspx
Thanks, then I think it is more than most
>
>> You have a sick idea about what socialism is,
>> gasoline prices are more dependent on where
>> it has to be transported to, have you looked at
>> the production, refining and consumption for
>> California? I haven't, but it would show if it
>> is taxes or availability that makes prices higher.
>
>According to http://www.californiagasprices.com/tax_info.aspx
>
>We pay 35.3 cents/gallon and 15.2 (not clear if this is cents/gallon or
>percentage of cost). On top of that are sales taxes which run as high
>as 9.75& on top of (presumably) all the other taxes.
>
>Perhaps this page takes that into account:
>http://www.californiagasprices.com/USA_Tax_Map.aspx
other states.
It may have a lot to do with the long
distances there, a lot of roads to keep up.
>Remember, part of the real cost is the tax on gasoline/diesel that the
>truckers who haul the stuff pay.
than cars and lighter vehicles.
>I remember reading somewhere that governments make more in taxes on gas
>and tobacco than the producers do. What's wrong with this picture?
delivered in 1970 of 11 cents per gallon.
I took the test in California in 1963 to
become a closed crankcase kit installer,
there is a lot spent on different kinds of
smog abatement, and California led the
way on that.
There was a few gas wars then, with
gasoline selling as low as 19 cents a gallon.
Too_Many_Tools
May 20, 2012, 9:52:49 PM5/20/12
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On May 14, 12:53 pm, "Leroy N. Soetoro" <leroysoet...@usurper.org>
wrote:
> --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to n...@netfront.net ---
LOL...and yet prices are dropping..and are expected to drop further.
Leroy is really getting slow.
And the prices are still below the highs we aid during Bush.
And why no bitching about gas prices when Bush was in office?
TMT
wrote:
LOL...and yet prices are dropping..and are expected to drop further.
Leroy is really getting slow.
And the prices are still below the highs we aid during Bush.
And why no bitching about gas prices when Bush was in office?
TMT
Harold Burton
May 20, 2012, 10:04:56 PM5/20/12
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In article
<98810fc8-db7f-4b5b...@m24g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Cite?
Knew you couldn't provide one.
snicker
<98810fc8-db7f-4b5b...@m24g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Knew you couldn't provide one.
snicker
Too_Many_Tools
May 20, 2012, 10:25:19 PM5/20/12
to
On May 20, 9:04 pm, Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In article
> <98810fc8-db7f-4b5b-bdb5-efdb98e9a...@m24g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> snicker- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Why don't you do your homework before posting stupid posts?
That's right...I forgot again that you are a brain dead conservative.
Obamacare can help you with that.
When he is reelected, we can enter you in the dog brain transplant
program.
And oh look...your attempt to censor me failed.
Laugh..laugh..laugh..
TMT
> In article
> <98810fc8-db7f-4b5b-bdb5-efdb98e9a...@m24g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
Why don't you do your homework before posting stupid posts?
That's right...I forgot again that you are a brain dead conservative.
Obamacare can help you with that.
When he is reelected, we can enter you in the dog brain transplant
program.
And oh look...your attempt to censor me failed.
Laugh..laugh..laugh..
TMT
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 20, 2012, 10:54:34 PM5/20/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
HUH ?? Why no bitchin' from you when Obama DOUBLED the price of gas??
> - Show quoted text -
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 20, 2012, 10:55:26 PM5/20/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
HUH ?? When Obama eats dog he saves the brain?? HOODATHUNKIT ??
> - Show quoted text -
Too_Many_Tools
May 20, 2012, 11:25:04 PM5/20/12
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On May 20, 9:55 pm, "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"
> HUH ?? When Obama eats dog he saves the brain?? HOODATHUNKIT ??- Hide quoted text -
TMT
>
> - Show quoted text -
He must..the conservatives always want the anus.
> - Show quoted text -
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
May 20, 2012, 11:23:57 PM5/20/12
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On May 20, 9:54 pm, "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"
> HUH ?? Why no bitchin' from you when Obama DOUBLED the price of gas??- Hide quoted text -
companies that Republicans love?
Laugh..laugh..laugh..
TMT
>
> - Show quoted text -
LOL..so every time when you fill up do you bend over for the oil
> - Show quoted text -
companies that Republicans love?
Laugh..laugh..laugh..
TMT
Gunner Asch
May 20, 2012, 11:36:43 PM5/20/12
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On Sun, 20 May 2012 18:30:41 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>On 5/20/2012 6:15 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>> I carry about 800 lbs of tools and materials in my truck each and every
>> day. I dont think a scooter is in my agenda for work/play. And it
>> doesnt pull one of the sail boats nor the work/fun trailers
>
>Yeah, but what about all the people who use a 1.5 to 4-ton vehicle to
>carry nothing but themselves?
Let them. Its their money.
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>On 5/20/2012 6:15 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>> I carry about 800 lbs of tools and materials in my truck each and every
>> day. I dont think a scooter is in my agenda for work/play. And it
>> doesnt pull one of the sail boats nor the work/fun trailers
>
>Yeah, but what about all the people who use a 1.5 to 4-ton vehicle to
>carry nothing but themselves?
Gunner Asch
May 20, 2012, 11:38:25 PM5/20/12
to
recent years.
That .08-.15 cents a gallon profit really starts to add up when they
sell billions and billions of gallons of fuel
The Real Bev
May 21, 2012, 12:58:28 AM5/21/12
to
On 05/20/2012 04:22 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> America is the single largest consumer of oil products, yet our retail
> prices are very average in the world market, despite excessive federal
> taxation. Who is gouging whom?
>
> Where does all the money go?
>
> Based upon a $3.00 gallon of gasoline, the average break-down is as
> follows.
>
> Gasoline Retailer $.01 cents per gallon
> Oil Company $.08 cents per gallon
> Refining $.29 cents per gallon
> Marketing/Distribution $.32 cents per gallon
> Taxes $.59 cents per gallon
> Cost of crude $1.71 per gallon (delivered)
I assume you mean one cent per gallon, eight cents per gallon,
> America is the single largest consumer of oil products, yet our retail
> prices are very average in the world market, despite excessive federal
> taxation. Who is gouging whom?
>
> Where does all the money go?
>
> Based upon a $3.00 gallon of gasoline, the average break-down is as
> follows.
>
> Gasoline Retailer $.01 cents per gallon
> Oil Company $.08 cents per gallon
> Refining $.29 cents per gallon
> Marketing/Distribution $.32 cents per gallon
> Taxes $.59 cents per gallon
> Cost of crude $1.71 per gallon (delivered)
twenty-nine cents per gallon etc.
> Who is gouging who?
>
> Why is there a wide price variation between locations?
>
> Gasoline is used by American retailers as a “loss leader” product.
this if Costco is closer to me.
> Corporations don’t pay taxes!
>
> They do collect and remit taxes. But every penny of taxes placed on
> corporate income is passed on to the consumer in the form of higher
> retail prices, just like the .59 cents per gallon of federal taxes being
> collected on behalf of the federal government at the pumps today.
> "The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
> capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
> It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
> Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
> and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
> such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
> fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
> fools that made him their prince".
--
Cheers, Bev
"A friend is someone who puts the needs of others above their own.
Find one of those people and take advantage of him." --Rat
Orval Fairbairn
May 21, 2012, 1:02:07 AM5/21/12
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In article <jpbt3i$ak5$3...@dont-email.me>,
Then I suggest that you do the same and report back in a year or so.
The Real Bev
May 21, 2012, 1:06:45 AM5/21/12
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On 05/20/2012 06:30 PM, emoneyjoe wrote:
> Bev<bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 05/20/2012 01:43 PM, emoneyjoe wrote:
>>
>>> You have a sick idea about what socialism is, gasoline prices are
>>> more dependent on where it has to be transported to, have you
>>> looked at the production, refining and consumption for
>>> California? I haven't, but it would show if it is taxes or
>>> availability that makes prices higher.
>>
>> According to http://www.californiagasprices.com/tax_info.aspx
>>
>> We pay 35.3 cents/gallon and 15.2 (not clear if this is
>> cents/gallon or percentage of cost). On top of that are sales
>> taxes which run as high as 9.75& on top of (presumably) all the
>> other taxes.
>>
>> Perhaps this page takes that into account:
>> http://www.californiagasprices.com/USA_Tax_Map.aspx
>
> Thanks, then I think it is more than most other states.
>
> It may have a lot to do with the long distances there, a lot of roads
> to keep up.
They aren't doing that. Some/most of the gas tax money goes into the
> Bev<bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 05/20/2012 01:43 PM, emoneyjoe wrote:
>>
>>> You have a sick idea about what socialism is, gasoline prices are
>>> more dependent on where it has to be transported to, have you
>>> looked at the production, refining and consumption for
>>> California? I haven't, but it would show if it is taxes or
>>> availability that makes prices higher.
>>
>> According to http://www.californiagasprices.com/tax_info.aspx
>>
>> We pay 35.3 cents/gallon and 15.2 (not clear if this is
>> cents/gallon or percentage of cost). On top of that are sales
>> taxes which run as high as 9.75& on top of (presumably) all the
>> other taxes.
>>
>> Perhaps this page takes that into account:
>> http://www.californiagasprices.com/USA_Tax_Map.aspx
>
> Thanks, then I think it is more than most other states.
>
> It may have a lot to do with the long distances there, a lot of roads
> to keep up.
general fund. It used to ALL go to road maintenance until the fools
voted to put some of it into the general fund AND THEN a few years later
voted to add a new tax for "transit", which includes public transit,
possibly to the exclusion of roads if the bastards have their way.
>> Remember, part of the real cost is the tax on gasoline/diesel that
>> the truckers who haul the stuff pay.
>
> Big truck do more damage to the roads than cars and lighter
> vehicles.
taxes in the country, matched only by NY. Are their roads any better?
They don't even replace the burned out lights on the interstate signage
-- too bad if you don't have your brights on so you can read the sign
in time to actually take that off-ramp.
>> I remember reading somewhere that governments make more in taxes on
>> gas and tobacco than the producers do. What's wrong with this
>> picture?
>
> Compare the taxes to the cost of gasoline delivered in 1970 of 11
> cents per gallon.
>
> I took the test in California in 1963 to become a closed crankcase
> kit installer, there is a lot spent on different kinds of smog
> abatement, and California led the way on that.
county be paved until cooler heads prevailed. They may have required
bakeries to install something to keep the smell of baking bread from
escaping. Shitheads.
>
> There was a few gas wars then, with gasoline selling as low as 19
> cents a gallon.
Historically, at least since I've been using gas and smoking, regular is
> There was a few gas wars then, with gasoline selling as low as 19
> cents a gallon.
generally very close to the price of a pack of cigarettes.
Gunner Asch
May 21, 2012, 1:23:03 AM5/21/12
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On Sun, 20 May 2012 21:58:28 -0700, The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On 05/20/2012 04:22 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>
>> America is the single largest consumer of oil products, yet our retail
>> prices are very average in the world market, despite excessive federal
>> taxation. Who is gouging whom?
>>
>> Where does all the money go?
>>
>> Based upon a $3.00 gallon of gasoline, the average break-down is as
>> follows.
>>
>> Gasoline Retailer $.01 cents per gallon
>> Oil Company $.08 cents per gallon
>> Refining $.29 cents per gallon
>> Marketing/Distribution $.32 cents per gallon
>> Taxes $.59 cents per gallon
>> Cost of crude $1.71 per gallon (delivered)
>
>I assume you mean one cent per gallon, eight cents per gallon,
>twenty-nine cents per gallon etc.
>
blink blink...blink...duh!....
wrote:
>On 05/20/2012 04:22 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>
>> America is the single largest consumer of oil products, yet our retail
>> prices are very average in the world market, despite excessive federal
>> taxation. Who is gouging whom?
>>
>> Where does all the money go?
>>
>> Based upon a $3.00 gallon of gasoline, the average break-down is as
>> follows.
>>
>> Gasoline Retailer $.01 cents per gallon
>> Oil Company $.08 cents per gallon
>> Refining $.29 cents per gallon
>> Marketing/Distribution $.32 cents per gallon
>> Taxes $.59 cents per gallon
>> Cost of crude $1.71 per gallon (delivered)
>
>I assume you mean one cent per gallon, eight cents per gallon,
>twenty-nine cents per gallon etc.
>
pyotr filipivich
May 21, 2012, 3:34:43 AM5/21/12
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Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Sun, 20 May 2012 20:38:25 -0700
typed in misc.survivalism the following:
And the significance of which the Democrats seem incapable of
grasping, is that the Oil companies have also paid record setting ;
taxes in recent years.
Reminds me of the story of the man, just starting out in business,
who on advice of his spiritual director, tithe ten percent every week.
At first it wasn't much, a couple bucks. But eventually, he's writing
a check for 500 bucks every week. This start to seem like a lot of
money. SO he goes to his gurus and says "This is a lot of money,
maybe I should give less." And his guru say "No need my son, I can
pray that your business goes back down to were you'll only have to
give fifty bucks a week."
--
pyotr filipivich
Old farts these days - not like when I was a boy! We used to
have us Real Geezers in those days! Now, they'll let anybody
with a little gray hair be an old fart!
typed in misc.survivalism the following:
grasping, is that the Oil companies have also paid record setting ;
taxes in recent years.
Reminds me of the story of the man, just starting out in business,
who on advice of his spiritual director, tithe ten percent every week.
At first it wasn't much, a couple bucks. But eventually, he's writing
a check for 500 bucks every week. This start to seem like a lot of
money. SO he goes to his gurus and says "This is a lot of money,
maybe I should give less." And his guru say "No need my son, I can
pray that your business goes back down to were you'll only have to
give fifty bucks a week."
--
pyotr filipivich
Old farts these days - not like when I was a boy! We used to
have us Real Geezers in those days! Now, they'll let anybody
with a little gray hair be an old fart!
Harold Burton
May 21, 2012, 8:00:26 AM5/21/12
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In article
<a5fc8658-1b0c-4bf7...@v9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
snicker
<a5fc8658-1b0c-4bf7...@v9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> Why don't you do your homework before posting stupid posts?
As I predicted, you can't back up your lies.
snicker
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Tom $herman (-_-)
May 21, 2012, 10:07:38 PM5/21/12
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On 5/20/2012 10:36 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Sun, 20 May 2012 18:30:41 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
>> On 5/20/2012 6:15 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>> I carry about 800 lbs of tools and materials in my truck each and every
>>> day. I dont think a scooter is in my agenda for work/play. And it
>>> doesnt pull one of the sail boats nor the work/fun trailers
>>
>> Yeah, but what about all the people who use a 1.5 to 4-ton vehicle to
>> carry nothing but themselves?
>
> Let them. Its their money.
But they should not whine about fuel costs, when they voluntarily use
> On Sun, 20 May 2012 18:30:41 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
>> On 5/20/2012 6:15 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>> I carry about 800 lbs of tools and materials in my truck each and every
>>> day. I dont think a scooter is in my agenda for work/play. And it
>>> doesnt pull one of the sail boats nor the work/fun trailers
>>
>> Yeah, but what about all the people who use a 1.5 to 4-ton vehicle to
>> carry nothing but themselves?
>
> Let them. Its their money.
such excess.
I get around just fine on a 1/8-ton motor vehicle.
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 21, 2012, 10:08:46 PM5/21/12
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On 5/21/2012 12:02 AM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> In article<jpbt3i$ak5$3...@dont-email.me>,
Don't be stupid. USians are not just allowed to move to Europe.
> In article<jpbt3i$ak5$3...@dont-email.me>,
Gunner Asch
May 22, 2012, 1:30:55 AM5/22/12
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On Mon, 21 May 2012 21:07:38 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
it passes you on the road, but they may be going to pick up their kids
from soccer practice and will fill the vehicle with them.
Or have a bunch of dogs, go camping often etc etc etc.
When fuel costs are up 400% in only a couple years...yes..folks will
bitch..and with good reason.
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>On 5/20/2012 10:36 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 May 2012 18:30:41 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
>> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/20/2012 6:15 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I carry about 800 lbs of tools and materials in my truck each and every
>>>> day. I dont think a scooter is in my agenda for work/play. And it
>>>> doesnt pull one of the sail boats nor the work/fun trailers
>>>
>>> Yeah, but what about all the people who use a 1.5 to 4-ton vehicle to
>>> carry nothing but themselves?
>>
>> Let them. Its their money.
>
>But they should not whine about fuel costs, when they voluntarily use
>such excess.
To them, its not excess. You may see a single person in that vehicle as
>On 5/20/2012 10:36 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 May 2012 18:30:41 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
>> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/20/2012 6:15 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I carry about 800 lbs of tools and materials in my truck each and every
>>>> day. I dont think a scooter is in my agenda for work/play. And it
>>>> doesnt pull one of the sail boats nor the work/fun trailers
>>>
>>> Yeah, but what about all the people who use a 1.5 to 4-ton vehicle to
>>> carry nothing but themselves?
>>
>> Let them. Its their money.
>
>But they should not whine about fuel costs, when they voluntarily use
>such excess.
it passes you on the road, but they may be going to pick up their kids
from soccer practice and will fill the vehicle with them.
Or have a bunch of dogs, go camping often etc etc etc.
When fuel costs are up 400% in only a couple years...yes..folks will
bitch..and with good reason.
>
>I get around just fine on a 1/8-ton motor vehicle.
Good for you. Now how about picking up a sofa for me at the Goodwill?
>I get around just fine on a 1/8-ton motor vehicle.
Flybd5
May 22, 2012, 1:59:35 AM5/22/12
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Don't forget to applaud Obama. After allowing gas to increase from $1.80
per gallon to more than $4 per gallon in three years, the price is down
to $ 3.70 a gallon, a 30 cent cut. What a financial genius we got from
Kenya. I am sure to vote for him now. There aren't any jobs,so what else
is there to do.
Flybd5
May 22, 2012, 2:03:58 AM5/22/12
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deadbeats to feed now.
Flybd5
May 22, 2012, 2:32:54 AM5/22/12
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Tom $herman (-_-)
May 22, 2012, 9:58:34 PM5/22/12
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you are an idiot.
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 22, 2012, 10:07:59 PM5/22/12
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On 5/22/2012 12:30 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 21 May 2012 21:07:38 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
>> On 5/20/2012 10:36 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Sun, 20 May 2012 18:30:41 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
>>> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/20/2012 6:15 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I carry about 800 lbs of tools and materials in my truck each and every
>>>>> day. I dont think a scooter is in my agenda for work/play. And it
>>>>> doesnt pull one of the sail boats nor the work/fun trailers
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, but what about all the people who use a 1.5 to 4-ton vehicle to
>>>> carry nothing but themselves?
>>>
>>> Let them. Its their money.
>>
>> But they should not whine about fuel costs, when they voluntarily use
>> such excess.
>
> To them, its not excess. You may see a single person in that vehicle as
> it passes you on the road, but they may be going to pick up their kids
> from soccer practice and will fill the vehicle with them.
>
> Or have a bunch of dogs, go camping often etc etc etc.
>
Get a scooter and leave the truck parked when not hauling a bunch of
> On Mon, 21 May 2012 21:07:38 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
>> On 5/20/2012 10:36 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Sun, 20 May 2012 18:30:41 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
>>> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/20/2012 6:15 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I carry about 800 lbs of tools and materials in my truck each and every
>>>>> day. I dont think a scooter is in my agenda for work/play. And it
>>>>> doesnt pull one of the sail boats nor the work/fun trailers
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, but what about all the people who use a 1.5 to 4-ton vehicle to
>>>> carry nothing but themselves?
>>>
>>> Let them. Its their money.
>>
>> But they should not whine about fuel costs, when they voluntarily use
>> such excess.
>
> To them, its not excess. You may see a single person in that vehicle as
> it passes you on the road, but they may be going to pick up their kids
> from soccer practice and will fill the vehicle with them.
>
> Or have a bunch of dogs, go camping often etc etc etc.
>
crap. Let the kids ride bicycles to soccer practice - when I was a
child, if I wanted to go someplace, I walked or rode a bicycle 99% of
the time.
> When fuel costs are up 400% in only a couple years...yes..folks will
> bitch..and with good reason.
>>
>> I get around just fine on a 1/8-ton motor vehicle.
>
> Good for you. Now how about picking up a sofa for me at the Goodwill?
Nissan Frontier to do it. Of course, the Frontier only gets used for
work when I am compensated for driving it, or for the occasional times I
need to haul or carry something big. But I do not use it as an everyday
commuter to haul just myself on a regular basis.
Of course, if I feel like low 11-second quarter-mile performance and 1.1
G cornering grip, I can ride my 40-45 mpg CBR600F4i to work, and throw
in a few wheelies and stoppies for fun. And the engine sounds really
cool between 9,000 and 14,200 rpm. :)
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 22, 2012, 10:12:22 PM5/22/12
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your cheer-leading ignorance.
Jeff M
May 22, 2012, 10:17:47 PM5/22/12
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On 5/22/2012 8:58 PM, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
[SNIP]
>>> I get around just fine on a 1/8-ton motor vehicle.
>>>
>> Good for you. You don't have to dismount far to grovel before Obama.
>> Don't forget to applaud Obama. After allowing gas to increase from $1.80
>> per gallon to more than $4 per gallon in three years, the price is down
>> to $ 3.70 a gallon, a 30 cent cut. What a financial genius we got from
>> Kenya. I am sure to vote for him now. There aren't any jobs,so what else
>> is there to do.
Gas prices peaked at $4.12 in July of the last year of the Bush
administration, an accomplishment Obama is yet to rival. The Bush
economic collapse caused a very brief but sharp decline in prices,
causing retail prices to temporarily reach the unprecedented low claimed
above.
Average gas prices, by Presidential administration, adjusted to constant
dollars as of March, 2012, using Energy Department figures:
George W. Bush: $4.27
Barack Obama: $3.97
Ronald W. Reagan: $3.65
Jimmy Carter: $3.57
George H.W. Bush: $2.30
George J. Clinton: $2.19
> If you think who is president makes any real difference in this case,
> you are an idiot.
True.
[SNIP]
>>> I get around just fine on a 1/8-ton motor vehicle.
>>>
>> Good for you. You don't have to dismount far to grovel before Obama.
>> Don't forget to applaud Obama. After allowing gas to increase from $1.80
>> per gallon to more than $4 per gallon in three years, the price is down
>> to $ 3.70 a gallon, a 30 cent cut. What a financial genius we got from
>> Kenya. I am sure to vote for him now. There aren't any jobs,so what else
>> is there to do.
administration, an accomplishment Obama is yet to rival. The Bush
economic collapse caused a very brief but sharp decline in prices,
causing retail prices to temporarily reach the unprecedented low claimed
above.
Average gas prices, by Presidential administration, adjusted to constant
dollars as of March, 2012, using Energy Department figures:
George W. Bush: $4.27
Barack Obama: $3.97
Ronald W. Reagan: $3.65
Jimmy Carter: $3.57
George H.W. Bush: $2.30
George J. Clinton: $2.19
> If you think who is president makes any real difference in this case,
> you are an idiot.
emoneyjoe
May 22, 2012, 10:55:08 PM5/22/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 21:07:59 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
Don't expect anybody with brains to ride bikes
on dangerous roads, and a lot of people have to
take the freeways to work.
People die every day on those things, the
noise is awful, and gravel burns are painful.
When flying cars are on sale people will
be able to kill themselves at an even faster
rate.
on dangerous roads, and a lot of people have to
take the freeways to work.
People die every day on those things, the
noise is awful, and gravel burns are painful.
When flying cars are on sale people will
be able to kill themselves at an even faster
rate.
emoneyjoe
May 22, 2012, 10:56:31 PM5/22/12
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Tom $herman (-_-)
May 23, 2012, 12:41:22 AM5/23/12
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you can easily create big gaps for lane changes.
As for the danger level, if you respect the bike instead of acting like
a selfish brain-dead cager, the risk level is quite low. But no, you
cannot yak on the phone, text, shove food in your pie-hole, read, put on
make-up, etc, like the bloody cagers do in what they think is a rolling
living room and get away with it.
> People die every day on those things, the
> noise is awful, and gravel burns are painful.
>
engine noise, not bad as long as you keep an EPA legal exhaust.
Gravel burns? Not if you wear the proper gear, instead of being a
dumb-ass riding in a wife-beater and flip-flops.
>
> When flying cars are on sale people will
> be able to kill themselves at an even faster
> rate.
Whatever, dude.
> When flying cars are on sale people will
> be able to kill themselves at an even faster
> rate.
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 23, 2012, 12:45:54 AM5/23/12
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On 5/22/2012 9:56 PM, emoneyjoe wrote:
>
> Who the hell is George Clinton?
George Clinton is a funk musician, best known for his bands "Parliament"
>
> Who the hell is George Clinton?
and "Funkadelic".
Personally, I think George Clinton would make a much better president
than William J. Clinton was.
Gunner Asch
May 23, 2012, 5:17:57 AM5/23/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 20:58:34 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
Timmy hates gas at any price. He is a ....Green!
Da man!!
Snicker
Da man!!
Snicker
Gunner Asch
May 23, 2012, 5:25:16 AM5/23/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 21:07:59 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
this.
The kids had bikes when they were still living at home.
going to pull your membership from the Greens for that!!!
>
>Of course, if I feel like low 11-second quarter-mile performance and 1.1
>G cornering grip, I can ride my 40-45 mpg CBR600F4i to work, and throw
>in a few wheelies and stoppies for fun. And the engine sounds really
>cool between 9,000 and 14,200 rpm. :)
What..no pedals?
Gunner, '61 Indian Chief
73 R90/6 BMW
72 Triumph Tiger with sidehack
Oh..and 6 mountain and road bicycles..and the various 4 wheeled
transport..and the 3 sailboats and the wind surfers...
Oh..and I drive 45-65k a year for work.
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>On 5/22/2012 12:30 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 21:07:38 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
>> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/20/2012 10:36 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 20 May 2012 18:30:41 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
>>>> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/20/2012 6:15 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I carry about 800 lbs of tools and materials in my truck each and every
>>>>>> day. I dont think a scooter is in my agenda for work/play. And it
>>>>>> doesnt pull one of the sail boats nor the work/fun trailers
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, but what about all the people who use a 1.5 to 4-ton vehicle to
>>>>> carry nothing but themselves?
>>>>
>>>> Let them. Its their money.
>>>
>>> But they should not whine about fuel costs, when they voluntarily use
>>> such excess.
>>
>> To them, its not excess. You may see a single person in that vehicle as
>> it passes you on the road, but they may be going to pick up their kids
>> from soccer practice and will fill the vehicle with them.
>>
>> Or have a bunch of dogs, go camping often etc etc etc.
>>
>Get a scooter and leave the truck parked when not hauling a bunch of
>crap. Let the kids ride bicycles to soccer practice - when I was a
>child, if I wanted to go someplace, I walked or rode a bicycle 99% of
>the time.
When hauling my tools every day...they wont fit on a bike. Trust me on
>On 5/22/2012 12:30 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 21:07:38 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
>> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/20/2012 10:36 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 20 May 2012 18:30:41 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
>>>> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/20/2012 6:15 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I carry about 800 lbs of tools and materials in my truck each and every
>>>>>> day. I dont think a scooter is in my agenda for work/play. And it
>>>>>> doesnt pull one of the sail boats nor the work/fun trailers
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, but what about all the people who use a 1.5 to 4-ton vehicle to
>>>>> carry nothing but themselves?
>>>>
>>>> Let them. Its their money.
>>>
>>> But they should not whine about fuel costs, when they voluntarily use
>>> such excess.
>>
>> To them, its not excess. You may see a single person in that vehicle as
>> it passes you on the road, but they may be going to pick up their kids
>> from soccer practice and will fill the vehicle with them.
>>
>> Or have a bunch of dogs, go camping often etc etc etc.
>>
>Get a scooter and leave the truck parked when not hauling a bunch of
>crap. Let the kids ride bicycles to soccer practice - when I was a
>child, if I wanted to go someplace, I walked or rode a bicycle 99% of
>the time.
this.
The kids had bikes when they were still living at home.
>
>> When fuel costs are up 400% in only a couple years...yes..folks will
>> bitch..and with good reason.
>>>
>>> I get around just fine on a 1/8-ton motor vehicle.
>>
>> Good for you. Now how about picking up a sofa for me at the Goodwill?
>
>Sure, if you pay me for time and mileage, I will take my 10-year old
>Nissan Frontier to do it. Of course, the Frontier only gets used for
>work when I am compensated for driving it, or for the occasional times I
>need to haul or carry something big. But I do not use it as an everyday
>commuter to haul just myself on a regular basis.
What..you actually own a gas guzzling TRUCK???!!!!!! Oh Tommy..they are
>> When fuel costs are up 400% in only a couple years...yes..folks will
>> bitch..and with good reason.
>>>
>>> I get around just fine on a 1/8-ton motor vehicle.
>>
>> Good for you. Now how about picking up a sofa for me at the Goodwill?
>
>Sure, if you pay me for time and mileage, I will take my 10-year old
>Nissan Frontier to do it. Of course, the Frontier only gets used for
>work when I am compensated for driving it, or for the occasional times I
>need to haul or carry something big. But I do not use it as an everyday
>commuter to haul just myself on a regular basis.
going to pull your membership from the Greens for that!!!
>
>Of course, if I feel like low 11-second quarter-mile performance and 1.1
>G cornering grip, I can ride my 40-45 mpg CBR600F4i to work, and throw
>in a few wheelies and stoppies for fun. And the engine sounds really
>cool between 9,000 and 14,200 rpm. :)
Gunner, '61 Indian Chief
73 R90/6 BMW
72 Triumph Tiger with sidehack
Oh..and 6 mountain and road bicycles..and the various 4 wheeled
transport..and the 3 sailboats and the wind surfers...
Oh..and I drive 45-65k a year for work.
Gunner Asch
May 23, 2012, 5:36:24 AM5/23/12
to
On Tue, 22 May 2012 22:56:31 -0400, emoneyjoe <emon...@iglou.com>
wrote:
Looks like Jeffy got carried away doing his buffoonery and lost track of
his lies and the people he was blaming.
But then...he is mentally ill.
Shrug
Want me to prove Jeffy was lying? Here. <VBG>
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gas-when-bush-left-office-178-gas-today-364-highest-average-price-calif-420
Gas When Bush Left Office, $1.78 -- Gas Today, $3.64 -- Highest Average
Price in Calif., $4.20
By Patrick Burke
February 24, 2012
Subscribe to Patrick Burke's posts
gas
(AP Photo)
(CNSNews.com) – The average price for one gallon of unleaded gasoline
has increased nearly every month since Barack Obama was inaugurated in
January 2009. At that time, when George W. Bush was leaving office, the
price was $1.78 per gallon. Today, three years and one month later, the
average price is $3.64.
In addition, according to the average price data from the U.S. Bureau of
Labor Statistics, prices (in nominal dollars: not adjusted for
inflation) peaked during Bush’s second term at $4.09 per gallon in July
2008 and then fell to $2.15 in November, when there was an election, and
fell further in December 2008 to $1.68 per gallon.
When Bush entered office in January 2001, the price was $1.47 per
gallon. (It peaked in Bush’s first term at $2.02, in October 2004.)
Under President Obama, prices have not fallen below $2.05 per gallon
since April 2009, and the highest average price, so far, was $3.93 in
May 2011.
This week, CBS News reported that a shell station in Lake Buena Vista,
Fla., was charging $5.99 per gallon for premium, and another station in
Orlando, Fla., was charging $5.79 per gallon for regular unleaded. The
average price in Florida is $3.67 for unleaded.
The AAA Web site lists the average regular fuel prices for each of the
50 states, showing California with the highest average at $4.20.
The U.S. city average for the price of one gallon of unleaded gasoline,
as documented by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics -- from when Barack
Obama was elected in November 2008 to today -- is presented below:
2008
November $2.15 Barack Obama defeats John McCain in
presidential race
December $1.68 Last full month for President George
W. Bush
2009
January $1.78 Barack Obama inaugurated as
president (Jan. 20)
February $1.92
March $1.94
April $2.05
May $2.26
June $2.63
July $2.54
August $2.62
September $2.57
October $2.56
November $2.66
December $2.62
2010
January $2.73
February $2.65
March $2.78
April $2.85
May $2.86
June $2.73
July $2.73
August $2.74
September $2.70
October $2.79
November $2.85
December $2.98
2011
January $3.09
February $3.16
March $3.54
April $3.81
May $3.93
June $3.70
July $3.65
August $3.63
September $3.61
October $3.46
November $3.42
December $3.27
2012
January $3.381
February $3.64*
Seems Jeffy gets his talking points from the DNC.....
http://www.mrc.org/node/39217
Networks Hype Rising Gas Prices 4 Times More for Bush, Than Obama
Gas prices mentioned in 97 stories in one month of 2008 coverage,
compared to just 21 in 2012.
Published: 2/22/2012 11:02 AM ET
By Julia A. Seymour
Rising gas prices used to be big news, but not so these days. Although
the national average climbed to $3.56 on Feb. 20, setting a February
record after going up nearly a month straight, there was far less
coverage than in 2008. Broadcast networks repeatedly covered the rise
under the Bush presidency. Gas prices bounced around eventually reaching
$3.56-a-gallon on April 24, 2008.
The Business and Media Institute analyzed broadcast network news
references to gas or fuel prices between Jan. 20 and Feb. 20, 2012 and
from March 24 and April 24, 2008. BMI found that in the 2008 period
there were more than 4 times as many gas prices stories, news briefs or
news headlines on ABC, CBS and NBC as there were in 2012 (97 to 21).
Coverage during the time periods differed not only in quantity, but in
tone as well. During Bush’s tenure, gas prices were a huge economic
threat and cause of suffering. The networks also used the high gas
prices to attack the administration. In 2012, the networks aired mostly
matter-of-fact stories on the rising gas prices, and worried primarily
that they would hinder the economic recovery, not that they are making
people suffer.
Dismal broadcast network reports about “skyrocketing” gas prices filled
the newscasts in 2008. There were reports about businesses closing,
airlines struggling and truckers protesting -- all because of the high
prices. One ABC report said families were facing the “tough choice”
between food or fuel. Others said that “wallets were running on empty”
and consumers were told over and over that there was no relief in sight.
But by the end of November 2008, prices had collapsed to $1.82.
The networks weren’t simply reporting the painfully high gas prices in
early 2008 though, in many cases they were exaggerating them. NBC’s
“Today” focused on Redwood City, Calif. on March 6 where regular
gasoline cost $3.99, according to the photograph NBC aired. The national
average for gas that day was $3.19 a gallon. Ann Curry also failed to
tell viewers that California has the highest state gasoline tax in the
nation, a whopping 45.5 cents a gallon at that time.
On gasoline specifically, reporters have routinely showed photos of
extreme pump prices despite lower national averages. The Business and
Media Institute documented this trend in 2007, 2006 and 2005.
But now, in 2012, gas prices stories are very different. “[W]e’re seeing
gas prices creep up every single week,” said one ABC reporter after
delivering a positive economic report about the Dow Jones Industrial
Average closing in on 13,000 for the first time since 2008. One CBS
story just pointed out that if certain steps are taking against Iran,
gas prices everywhere could move sharply higher.
Although the time periods BMI analyzed were the same length and ended
with the same national average price for gasoline, due to price
fluctuations they were not identical. In 2008, prices rose from $3.26 to
$3.56 in the month we examined. In 2012, prices were already higher
($3.38 on Jan. 20).
http://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2012/02/28/bush-vs-obama-on-gasoline-prices-in-one-very-simple-picture/
Snicker
Seems Jeffy isnt gonna get his Attaboi! from the DNC for his postings
this week...is he?
Laugh laugh laugh!!!
wrote:
his lies and the people he was blaming.
But then...he is mentally ill.
Shrug
Want me to prove Jeffy was lying? Here. <VBG>
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gas-when-bush-left-office-178-gas-today-364-highest-average-price-calif-420
Gas When Bush Left Office, $1.78 -- Gas Today, $3.64 -- Highest Average
Price in Calif., $4.20
By Patrick Burke
February 24, 2012
Subscribe to Patrick Burke's posts
gas
(AP Photo)
(CNSNews.com) – The average price for one gallon of unleaded gasoline
has increased nearly every month since Barack Obama was inaugurated in
January 2009. At that time, when George W. Bush was leaving office, the
price was $1.78 per gallon. Today, three years and one month later, the
average price is $3.64.
In addition, according to the average price data from the U.S. Bureau of
Labor Statistics, prices (in nominal dollars: not adjusted for
inflation) peaked during Bush’s second term at $4.09 per gallon in July
2008 and then fell to $2.15 in November, when there was an election, and
fell further in December 2008 to $1.68 per gallon.
When Bush entered office in January 2001, the price was $1.47 per
gallon. (It peaked in Bush’s first term at $2.02, in October 2004.)
Under President Obama, prices have not fallen below $2.05 per gallon
since April 2009, and the highest average price, so far, was $3.93 in
May 2011.
This week, CBS News reported that a shell station in Lake Buena Vista,
Fla., was charging $5.99 per gallon for premium, and another station in
Orlando, Fla., was charging $5.79 per gallon for regular unleaded. The
average price in Florida is $3.67 for unleaded.
The AAA Web site lists the average regular fuel prices for each of the
50 states, showing California with the highest average at $4.20.
The U.S. city average for the price of one gallon of unleaded gasoline,
as documented by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics -- from when Barack
Obama was elected in November 2008 to today -- is presented below:
2008
November $2.15 Barack Obama defeats John McCain in
presidential race
December $1.68 Last full month for President George
W. Bush
2009
January $1.78 Barack Obama inaugurated as
president (Jan. 20)
February $1.92
March $1.94
April $2.05
May $2.26
June $2.63
July $2.54
August $2.62
September $2.57
October $2.56
November $2.66
December $2.62
2010
January $2.73
February $2.65
March $2.78
April $2.85
May $2.86
June $2.73
July $2.73
August $2.74
September $2.70
October $2.79
November $2.85
December $2.98
2011
January $3.09
February $3.16
March $3.54
April $3.81
May $3.93
June $3.70
July $3.65
August $3.63
September $3.61
October $3.46
November $3.42
December $3.27
2012
January $3.381
February $3.64*
Seems Jeffy gets his talking points from the DNC.....
http://www.mrc.org/node/39217
Networks Hype Rising Gas Prices 4 Times More for Bush, Than Obama
Gas prices mentioned in 97 stories in one month of 2008 coverage,
compared to just 21 in 2012.
Published: 2/22/2012 11:02 AM ET
By Julia A. Seymour
Rising gas prices used to be big news, but not so these days. Although
the national average climbed to $3.56 on Feb. 20, setting a February
record after going up nearly a month straight, there was far less
coverage than in 2008. Broadcast networks repeatedly covered the rise
under the Bush presidency. Gas prices bounced around eventually reaching
$3.56-a-gallon on April 24, 2008.
The Business and Media Institute analyzed broadcast network news
references to gas or fuel prices between Jan. 20 and Feb. 20, 2012 and
from March 24 and April 24, 2008. BMI found that in the 2008 period
there were more than 4 times as many gas prices stories, news briefs or
news headlines on ABC, CBS and NBC as there were in 2012 (97 to 21).
Coverage during the time periods differed not only in quantity, but in
tone as well. During Bush’s tenure, gas prices were a huge economic
threat and cause of suffering. The networks also used the high gas
prices to attack the administration. In 2012, the networks aired mostly
matter-of-fact stories on the rising gas prices, and worried primarily
that they would hinder the economic recovery, not that they are making
people suffer.
Dismal broadcast network reports about “skyrocketing” gas prices filled
the newscasts in 2008. There were reports about businesses closing,
airlines struggling and truckers protesting -- all because of the high
prices. One ABC report said families were facing the “tough choice”
between food or fuel. Others said that “wallets were running on empty”
and consumers were told over and over that there was no relief in sight.
But by the end of November 2008, prices had collapsed to $1.82.
The networks weren’t simply reporting the painfully high gas prices in
early 2008 though, in many cases they were exaggerating them. NBC’s
“Today” focused on Redwood City, Calif. on March 6 where regular
gasoline cost $3.99, according to the photograph NBC aired. The national
average for gas that day was $3.19 a gallon. Ann Curry also failed to
tell viewers that California has the highest state gasoline tax in the
nation, a whopping 45.5 cents a gallon at that time.
On gasoline specifically, reporters have routinely showed photos of
extreme pump prices despite lower national averages. The Business and
Media Institute documented this trend in 2007, 2006 and 2005.
But now, in 2012, gas prices stories are very different. “[W]e’re seeing
gas prices creep up every single week,” said one ABC reporter after
delivering a positive economic report about the Dow Jones Industrial
Average closing in on 13,000 for the first time since 2008. One CBS
story just pointed out that if certain steps are taking against Iran,
gas prices everywhere could move sharply higher.
Although the time periods BMI analyzed were the same length and ended
with the same national average price for gasoline, due to price
fluctuations they were not identical. In 2008, prices rose from $3.26 to
$3.56 in the month we examined. In 2012, prices were already higher
($3.38 on Jan. 20).
http://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2012/02/28/bush-vs-obama-on-gasoline-prices-in-one-very-simple-picture/
Snicker
Seems Jeffy isnt gonna get his Attaboi! from the DNC for his postings
this week...is he?
Laugh laugh laugh!!!
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
May 24, 2012, 9:32:19 AM5/24/12
to
Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> On May 14, 12:53 pm, "Leroy N. Soetoro" <leroysoet...@usurper.org>
> wrote:
>> http://www.mercurynews.com/traffic/ci_20597244/rising-california-gas-
>> prices-expected-increase-even-more
>>
>> If West Coast motorists were stunned last week when gas prices jumped as
>> much as 16 cents a gallon at some stations, prepare for Stunner No. 2.
>>
>> Prices could rise an additional 20 cents in the next few days, as
>> refinery problems continue to choke supplies for California's special
>> blend of clean burning gas. On Thursday, many Bay Area stations saw jumps
>> of several cents to a dime.
>>
>> "Prepare to get clobbered," said Patrick DeHaan, the senior petroleum
>> analyst with GasBuddy.com.
>>
>> West Coast gas inventories are at their lowest level in 20 years, he
>> said, and the blame is with production on the West Coast.
>>
>> "Refineries have been having a lousy spring with not just one massive
>> facility outage," DeHaan said, "but smaller, more widespread issues."
>>
>> At midday Thursday, Rotten Robbie President Tom Robinson was stunned to
>> find out that West Coast spot prices were 70 cents higher than on the New
>> York Mercantile Exchange. The exchange handles billions of dollars worth
>> of energy products and other commodities and is the basis for prices that
>> people pay for various commodities like oil throughout the world.
>>
>> "Only a few weeks ago, we were lower than the Merc," Robinson said.
>>
>> "Because it is related to refiner problems, I don't believe the increases
>> will last long, but they are currently very ugly."
>> have been performing work on units at three out of the five refineries in
>> the Bay Area. And BP's Cherry Point refinery in Washington state also has
>> been down, but could restart production early next week.
>>
>> But for some Bay Area motorists, the refinery issues weren't selling.
>>
>> "Even though we are talking about gas and oil, something smells fishy,"
>> said Dave Wolf, of San Jose. "It would seem they could use some
>> imagination and ingenuity and stagger their repair and maintenance over
>> several weeks."
>>
>> DeHaan said there are no other refineries that produce California's type
>> of gas and that no one else can help the West Coast.
>>
>> "I certainly don't think there's a reason to panic about this," he said.
>> "There will still be gasoline.
>>
>> "This warning is to prepare yourself, or make plans, knowing that
>> gasoline prices may jump a good amount soon."
>>
>> --
>>
>> Obama's black racist USAG appointee.
>> Eric Holder, racist black United States Attorney General drops voter
>> intimidation charges against the Black Panthers, "You are about to be
>> ruled by the black man, cracker!"
>>
>> Eric Holder, prejudiced black United States Attorney General settles the
>> hate crime debate, "Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws."
>>
>> Nancy Pelosi, Democrat criminal, accessory before and after the fact, to
>> former House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles B. Rangel of New
>> York's million dollar tax evasion.
>>
>> Barack Obama and Eric Holder, committed treason by knowingly and
>> deliberately arming enemies of the United States of America through
>> Operation Fast and Furious. Complicit in the murder of Federal employees
>> during the execution of their duties.
>>
>> --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to
>> n...@netfront.net ---
some (West coast) markets.
Now, here's my complaint: As an investor, I buy gasoline futures. Or options
on futures contracts. And I profit when gas prices go up. But what I see
happening is futures prices going down, but wholesale prices going up. And
that's a sign of market manipulation. Someone is stepping in between my
trades and the final wholesale customer (the person who actually takes
delivery of the product) and taking some of my profit.
Unlike all of you, I'd like to see gas prices go up. But if they are going
up at the pump, that doesn't explain why the commodity contract prices are
going down.
Time for the CFTC to step in.
--
Paul Hovnanian mailto:Pa...@Hovnanian.com
------------------------------------------------------------------
Life would be so much easier if we could just look at the source code.
> On May 14, 12:53 pm, "Leroy N. Soetoro" <leroysoet...@usurper.org>
> wrote:
>> http://www.mercurynews.com/traffic/ci_20597244/rising-california-gas-
>> prices-expected-increase-even-more
>>
>> If West Coast motorists were stunned last week when gas prices jumped as
>> much as 16 cents a gallon at some stations, prepare for Stunner No. 2.
>>
>> Prices could rise an additional 20 cents in the next few days, as
>> refinery problems continue to choke supplies for California's special
>> blend of clean burning gas. On Thursday, many Bay Area stations saw jumps
>> of several cents to a dime.
>>
>> "Prepare to get clobbered," said Patrick DeHaan, the senior petroleum
>> analyst with GasBuddy.com.
>>
>> West Coast gas inventories are at their lowest level in 20 years, he
>> said, and the blame is with production on the West Coast.
>>
>> "Refineries have been having a lousy spring with not just one massive
>> facility outage," DeHaan said, "but smaller, more widespread issues."
>>
>> At midday Thursday, Rotten Robbie President Tom Robinson was stunned to
>> find out that West Coast spot prices were 70 cents higher than on the New
>> York Mercantile Exchange. The exchange handles billions of dollars worth
>> of energy products and other commodities and is the basis for prices that
>> people pay for various commodities like oil throughout the world.
>>
>> "Only a few weeks ago, we were lower than the Merc," Robinson said.
>>
>> "Because it is related to refiner problems, I don't believe the increases
>> will last long, but they are currently very ugly."
>>
>> The California average was $4.23 a gallon Thursday, up more than a dime
>> from the end of April. San Jose-area motorists were paying $4.23, San
>> Francisco $4.30 and those around Oakland $4.22.
>> Nationally, drivers are paying $3.74 a gallon, down 6 cents from last
>> week.
>>
>> Bloomberg News reported that Phillips 66, Royal Dutch Shell and Tesoro
>> The California average was $4.23 a gallon Thursday, up more than a dime
>> from the end of April. San Jose-area motorists were paying $4.23, San
>> Francisco $4.30 and those around Oakland $4.22.
>> Nationally, drivers are paying $3.74 a gallon, down 6 cents from last
>> week.
>>
>> have been performing work on units at three out of the five refineries in
>> the Bay Area. And BP's Cherry Point refinery in Washington state also has
>> been down, but could restart production early next week.
>>
>> But for some Bay Area motorists, the refinery issues weren't selling.
>>
>> "Even though we are talking about gas and oil, something smells fishy,"
>> said Dave Wolf, of San Jose. "It would seem they could use some
>> imagination and ingenuity and stagger their repair and maintenance over
>> several weeks."
>>
>> DeHaan said there are no other refineries that produce California's type
>> of gas and that no one else can help the West Coast.
>>
>> "I certainly don't think there's a reason to panic about this," he said.
>> "There will still be gasoline.
>>
>> "This warning is to prepare yourself, or make plans, knowing that
>> gasoline prices may jump a good amount soon."
>>
>> --
>>
>> Obama's black racist USAG appointee.
>> Eric Holder, racist black United States Attorney General drops voter
>> intimidation charges against the Black Panthers, "You are about to be
>> ruled by the black man, cracker!"
>>
>> Eric Holder, prejudiced black United States Attorney General settles the
>> hate crime debate, "Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws."
>>
>> Nancy Pelosi, Democrat criminal, accessory before and after the fact, to
>> former House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles B. Rangel of New
>> York's million dollar tax evasion.
>>
>> Barack Obama and Eric Holder, committed treason by knowingly and
>> deliberately arming enemies of the United States of America through
>> Operation Fast and Furious. Complicit in the murder of Federal employees
>> during the execution of their duties.
>>
>> --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to
>> n...@netfront.net ---
>
> LOL...and yet prices are dropping..and are expected to drop further.
Right. On the commodities futures market. And in most of the USA. But not in
> LOL...and yet prices are dropping..and are expected to drop further.
some (West coast) markets.
Now, here's my complaint: As an investor, I buy gasoline futures. Or options
on futures contracts. And I profit when gas prices go up. But what I see
happening is futures prices going down, but wholesale prices going up. And
that's a sign of market manipulation. Someone is stepping in between my
trades and the final wholesale customer (the person who actually takes
delivery of the product) and taking some of my profit.
Unlike all of you, I'd like to see gas prices go up. But if they are going
up at the pump, that doesn't explain why the commodity contract prices are
going down.
Time for the CFTC to step in.
--
Paul Hovnanian mailto:Pa...@Hovnanian.com
------------------------------------------------------------------
Life would be so much easier if we could just look at the source code.
Orval Fairbairn
May 27, 2012, 1:34:28 PM5/27/12
to
In article <jpesfe$8a7$2...@dont-email.me>,
Why should we un the US adopt the onerous taxation and other oppressive
aspects of the Europeans? We already have too much of it. After all,
many of our forebears emigrated to the US in order to escape from that
selfsame oppression that you and other socialists now advocate for us
here.
aspects of the Europeans? We already have too much of it. After all,
many of our forebears emigrated to the US in order to escape from that
selfsame oppression that you and other socialists now advocate for us
here.
Orval Fairbairn
May 27, 2012, 1:40:10 PM5/27/12
to
In article <ttmkr7p9cuu2ut2bj...@4ax.com>,
Deucalion <som...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> <http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/05/tax_man.html>
>
> Over the past two years, ExxonMobil reported $9,910 million in pretax
> U.S. profits. But it enjoyed so many tax subsidies that its federal
> income tax bill was only $39 million�a tax rate of only 0.4 percent.
.. and would you please translate that "$9,910 million in pretax U.S.
profits" into profit margin? The profit margin was around 4%, while the
tax revenues collected (fuel taxes, royalties, etc.) from XON ran into
tens of billions.
By contrast, one of the darlings of the Left, Apple, runs a profit
margin of around 3%-40% and has squirreled away around $100 billion in
cash.
Deucalion <som...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
> Over the past two years, ExxonMobil reported $9,910 million in pretax
> U.S. profits. But it enjoyed so many tax subsidies that its federal
> income tax bill was only $39 million�a tax rate of only 0.4 percent.
.. and would you please translate that "$9,910 million in pretax U.S.
profits" into profit margin? The profit margin was around 4%, while the
tax revenues collected (fuel taxes, royalties, etc.) from XON ran into
tens of billions.
By contrast, one of the darlings of the Left, Apple, runs a profit
margin of around 3%-40% and has squirreled away around $100 billion in
cash.
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 28, 2012, 5:33:13 AM5/28/12
to
On 5/27/2012 12:34 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> In article<jpesfe$8a7$2...@dont-email.me>,
So you allow yourselves to be oppressed by private bankers and other
private sector power brokers instead, who do not have to answer to voters.
Now that is a stupid trade-off.
But then anyone on the political right who is not filthy rich is stupid.
> In article<jpesfe$8a7$2...@dont-email.me>,
private sector power brokers instead, who do not have to answer to voters.
Now that is a stupid trade-off.
But then anyone on the political right who is not filthy rich is stupid.
Orval Fairbairn
May 28, 2012, 1:46:43 PM5/28/12
to
In article <jpvgou$ol2$1...@dont-email.me>,
At least I have the option of doing (or not) doing business there. A
state monopoly would be an even worse situation.
Bureaucracies rarely listen to the voters, since the only real control
is a kill switch.
state monopoly would be an even worse situation.
Bureaucracies rarely listen to the voters, since the only real control
is a kill switch.
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 28, 2012, 3:34:37 PM5/28/12
to
On 5/27/2012 12:40 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> [...]
> By contrast, one of the darlings of the Left, Apple[...]
What planet are you on? It is certainly not Earth.
> [...]
> By contrast, one of the darlings of the Left, Apple[...]
What planet are you on? It is certainly not Earth.
Gunner Asch
May 28, 2012, 3:43:38 PM5/28/12
to
On Mon, 28 May 2012 04:33:13 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>
>> Why should we un the US adopt the onerous taxation and other oppressive
>> aspects of the Europeans? We already have too much of it. After all,
>> many of our forebears emigrated to the US in order to escape from that
>> selfsame oppression that you and other socialists now advocate for us
>> here.
>
>So you allow yourselves to be oppressed by private bankers and other
>private sector power brokers instead, who do not have to answer to voters.
So do your business at a different bank. Its hardly rocket science.
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>
>> Why should we un the US adopt the onerous taxation and other oppressive
>> aspects of the Europeans? We already have too much of it. After all,
>> many of our forebears emigrated to the US in order to escape from that
>> selfsame oppression that you and other socialists now advocate for us
>> here.
>
>So you allow yourselves to be oppressed by private bankers and other
>private sector power brokers instead, who do not have to answer to voters.
>
>Now that is a stupid trade-off.
>
>But then anyone on the political right who is not filthy rich is stupid.
So then all you poor Leftwingers are dumb as catshit? Afterall..the
>Now that is a stupid trade-off.
>
>But then anyone on the political right who is not filthy rich is stupid.
Demonrats have more millionares in Congress than do Republicans.
Thanks for the admission!!
Orval Fairbairn
May 28, 2012, 5:01:05 PM5/28/12
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In article <jq0k0j$h5j$1...@dont-email.me>,
left-wing claptrap.
> On 5/27/2012 12:40 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> > [...]
> > By contrast, one of the darlings of the Left, Apple[...]
>
> What planet are you on? It is certainly not Earth.
Go read some financial publication, rather than absorbing all that
> > [...]
> > By contrast, one of the darlings of the Left, Apple[...]
>
> What planet are you on? It is certainly not Earth.
left-wing claptrap.
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 28, 2012, 5:21:47 PM5/28/12
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On 5/28/2012 2:43 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 28 May 2012 04:33:13 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Why should we un the US adopt the onerous taxation and other oppressive
>>> aspects of the Europeans? We already have too much of it. After all,
>>> many of our forebears emigrated to the US in order to escape from that
>>> selfsame oppression that you and other socialists now advocate for us
>>> here.
>>
>> So you allow yourselves to be oppressed by private bankers and other
>> private sector power brokers instead, who do not have to answer to voters.
>
> So do your business at a different bank. Its hardly rocket science.
You missed the barn door at 10 paces. Get a clue to how the Federal
> On Mon, 28 May 2012 04:33:13 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Why should we un the US adopt the onerous taxation and other oppressive
>>> aspects of the Europeans? We already have too much of it. After all,
>>> many of our forebears emigrated to the US in order to escape from that
>>> selfsame oppression that you and other socialists now advocate for us
>>> here.
>>
>> So you allow yourselves to be oppressed by private bankers and other
>> private sector power brokers instead, who do not have to answer to voters.
>
> So do your business at a different bank. Its hardly rocket science.
Reserve and other central banks run economies. It is not something you
can avoid, unless you are living as a bushman in a hunter-gatherer
society. Duh.
>>
>> Now that is a stupid trade-off.
>>
>> But then anyone on the political right who is not filthy rich is stupid.
>
> So then all you poor Leftwingers are dumb as catshit? Afterall..the
> Demonrats have more millionares in Congress than do Republicans.
>
> Thanks for the admission!!
>
Clueless and uninformed. The US Democratic Party is right-wing, not
>> Now that is a stupid trade-off.
>>
>> But then anyone on the political right who is not filthy rich is stupid.
>
> So then all you poor Leftwingers are dumb as catshit? Afterall..the
> Demonrats have more millionares in Congress than do Republicans.
>
> Thanks for the admission!!
>
left-wing by world-wide standards. Duh.
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 28, 2012, 8:43:45 PM5/28/12
to
really left and right? If the financial publications are claiming that
Apple is the darling of the "left", they are either lying or have no
clue to what "left" actually means in this context. Duh.
Orval Fairbairn
May 28, 2012, 11:16:28 PM5/28/12
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In article <jq0q9i$r5l$1...@dont-email.me>,
advocating more and more control over people's lives -- whether it be
personal or economic. They also advocate restrictions on personal
freedom of movement (ex: onerous fuel taxation) and widespread
observation (cameras, etc.).
They advocate a virtual police state.
"Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 5/28/2012 2:43 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> > On Mon, 28 May 2012 04:33:13 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
> > <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> Why should we un the US adopt the onerous taxation and other oppressive
> >>> aspects of the Europeans? We already have too much of it. After all,
> >>> many of our forebears emigrated to the US in order to escape from that
> >>> selfsame oppression that you and other socialists now advocate for us
> >>> here.
> >>
> >> So you allow yourselves to be oppressed by private bankers and other
> >> private sector power brokers instead, who do not have to answer to voters.
> >
> > So do your business at a different bank. Its hardly rocket science.
>
> You missed the barn door at 10 paces. Get a clue to how the Federal
> Reserve and other central banks run economies. It is not something you
> can avoid, unless you are living as a bushman in a hunter-gatherer
> society. Duh.
> >>
> >> Now that is a stupid trade-off.
> >>
> >> But then anyone on the political right who is not filthy rich is stupid.
> >
> > So then all you poor Leftwingers are dumb as catshit? Afterall..the
> > Demonrats have more millionares in Congress than do Republicans.
> >
> > Thanks for the admission!!
> >
> Clueless and uninformed. The US Democratic Party is right-wing, not
> left-wing by world-wide standards. Duh.
In a roundabout way, that is correct -- "right wing" being defined as
> On 5/28/2012 2:43 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> > On Mon, 28 May 2012 04:33:13 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
> > <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> Why should we un the US adopt the onerous taxation and other oppressive
> >>> aspects of the Europeans? We already have too much of it. After all,
> >>> many of our forebears emigrated to the US in order to escape from that
> >>> selfsame oppression that you and other socialists now advocate for us
> >>> here.
> >>
> >> So you allow yourselves to be oppressed by private bankers and other
> >> private sector power brokers instead, who do not have to answer to voters.
> >
> > So do your business at a different bank. Its hardly rocket science.
>
> You missed the barn door at 10 paces. Get a clue to how the Federal
> Reserve and other central banks run economies. It is not something you
> can avoid, unless you are living as a bushman in a hunter-gatherer
> society. Duh.
> >>
> >> Now that is a stupid trade-off.
> >>
> >> But then anyone on the political right who is not filthy rich is stupid.
> >
> > So then all you poor Leftwingers are dumb as catshit? Afterall..the
> > Demonrats have more millionares in Congress than do Republicans.
> >
> > Thanks for the admission!!
> >
> Clueless and uninformed. The US Democratic Party is right-wing, not
> left-wing by world-wide standards. Duh.
advocating more and more control over people's lives -- whether it be
personal or economic. They also advocate restrictions on personal
freedom of movement (ex: onerous fuel taxation) and widespread
observation (cameras, etc.).
They advocate a virtual police state.
Orval Fairbairn
May 28, 2012, 11:17:26 PM5/28/12
to
In article <jq1647$oq5$4...@dont-email.me>,
"Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 5/28/2012 4:01 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> > In article<jq0k0j$h5j$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
> >
> >> On 5/27/2012 12:40 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> >>> [...]
> >>> By contrast, one of the darlings of the Left, Apple[...]
> >>
> >> What planet are you on? It is certainly not Earth.
> >
> > Go read some financial publication, rather than absorbing all that
> > left-wing claptrap.
>
> What financial publications are going to publish the truth about who is
> really left and right? If the financial publications are claiming that
> Apple is the darling of the "left", they are either lying or have no
> clue to what "left" actually means in this context. Duh.
Al Gore is a political member of the Board of Directors at Apple.
> On 5/28/2012 4:01 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> > In article<jq0k0j$h5j$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
> >
> >> On 5/27/2012 12:40 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> >>> [...]
> >>> By contrast, one of the darlings of the Left, Apple[...]
> >>
> >> What planet are you on? It is certainly not Earth.
> >
> > Go read some financial publication, rather than absorbing all that
> > left-wing claptrap.
>
> What financial publications are going to publish the truth about who is
> really left and right? If the financial publications are claiming that
> Apple is the darling of the "left", they are either lying or have no
> clue to what "left" actually means in this context. Duh.
Gunner Asch
May 28, 2012, 11:25:45 PM5/28/12
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 16:21:47 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>>
>>> So you allow yourselves to be oppressed by private bankers and other
>>> private sector power brokers instead, who do not have to answer to voters.
>>
>> So do your business at a different bank. Its hardly rocket science.
>
>You missed the barn door at 10 paces. Get a clue to how the Federal
>Reserve and other central banks run economies. It is not something you
>can avoid, unless you are living as a bushman in a hunter-gatherer
>society. Duh.
You missed the barn door by at least (1) parsec
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>>
>>> So you allow yourselves to be oppressed by private bankers and other
>>> private sector power brokers instead, who do not have to answer to voters.
>>
>> So do your business at a different bank. Its hardly rocket science.
>
>You missed the barn door at 10 paces. Get a clue to how the Federal
>Reserve and other central banks run economies. It is not something you
>can avoid, unless you are living as a bushman in a hunter-gatherer
>society. Duh.
>>>
>>> Now that is a stupid trade-off.
>>>
>>> But then anyone on the political right who is not filthy rich is stupid.
>>
>> So then all you poor Leftwingers are dumb as catshit? Afterall..the
>> Demonrats have more millionares in Congress than do Republicans.
>>
>> Thanks for the admission!!
>>
>Clueless and uninformed. The US Democratic Party is right-wing, not
>left-wing by world-wide standards. Duh.
Blink blink....you of course are basing "world -wide" standards by Cuba,
>>> Now that is a stupid trade-off.
>>>
>>> But then anyone on the political right who is not filthy rich is stupid.
>>
>> So then all you poor Leftwingers are dumb as catshit? Afterall..the
>> Demonrats have more millionares in Congress than do Republicans.
>>
>> Thanks for the admission!!
>>
>Clueless and uninformed. The US Democratic Party is right-wing, not
>left-wing by world-wide standards. Duh.
the old USSR and pre-Mao China..right?
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 28, 2012, 11:44:26 PM5/28/12
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On 5/28/2012 10:25 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 28 May 2012 16:21:47 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> So you allow yourselves to be oppressed by private bankers and other
>>>> private sector power brokers instead, who do not have to answer to voters.
>>>
>>> So do your business at a different bank. Its hardly rocket science.
>>
>> You missed the barn door at 10 paces. Get a clue to how the Federal
>> Reserve and other central banks run economies. It is not something you
>> can avoid, unless you are living as a bushman in a hunter-gatherer
>> society. Duh.
>
> You missed the barn door by at least (1) parsec
>>>>
>>>> Now that is a stupid trade-off.
>>>>
>>>> But then anyone on the political right who is not filthy rich is stupid.
>>>
>>> So then all you poor Leftwingers are dumb as catshit? Afterall..the
>>> Demonrats have more millionares in Congress than do Republicans.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the admission!!
>>>
>> Clueless and uninformed. The US Democratic Party is right-wing, not
>> left-wing by world-wide standards. Duh.
>
> Blink blink....you of course are basing "world -wide" standards by Cuba,
> the old USSR and pre-Mao China..right?
No. You really are an idiot.
> On Mon, 28 May 2012 16:21:47 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> So you allow yourselves to be oppressed by private bankers and other
>>>> private sector power brokers instead, who do not have to answer to voters.
>>>
>>> So do your business at a different bank. Its hardly rocket science.
>>
>> You missed the barn door at 10 paces. Get a clue to how the Federal
>> Reserve and other central banks run economies. It is not something you
>> can avoid, unless you are living as a bushman in a hunter-gatherer
>> society. Duh.
>
> You missed the barn door by at least (1) parsec
>>>>
>>>> Now that is a stupid trade-off.
>>>>
>>>> But then anyone on the political right who is not filthy rich is stupid.
>>>
>>> So then all you poor Leftwingers are dumb as catshit? Afterall..the
>>> Demonrats have more millionares in Congress than do Republicans.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the admission!!
>>>
>> Clueless and uninformed. The US Democratic Party is right-wing, not
>> left-wing by world-wide standards. Duh.
>
> Blink blink....you of course are basing "world -wide" standards by Cuba,
> the old USSR and pre-Mao China..right?
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 28, 2012, 11:47:41 PM5/28/12
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On 5/28/2012 10:17 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> In article<jq1647$oq5$4...@dont-email.me>,
Al Gore is not, and has never been, left wing. Gore was part of the DLC
(Democratic Leadership Council) whose aim was to move the party farther
to the right, co-opting policies of the Republican Party. Duh.
If Al Gore is your idea of left-wing, no wonder your world view is so
distorted.
> In article<jq1647$oq5$4...@dont-email.me>,
(Democratic Leadership Council) whose aim was to move the party farther
to the right, co-opting policies of the Republican Party. Duh.
If Al Gore is your idea of left-wing, no wonder your world view is so
distorted.
emoneyjoe
May 29, 2012, 12:05:11 AM5/29/12
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emoneyjoe
May 29, 2012, 1:38:21 AM5/29/12
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 22:47:41 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
a different twist, calling both parties right wing?
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>On 5/28/2012 10:17 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
>> In article<jq1647$oq5$4...@dont-email.me>,
>> "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/28/2012 4:01 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
>>>> In article<jq0k0j$h5j$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>>> "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/27/2012 12:40 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> By contrast, one of the darlings of the Left, Apple[...]
>>>>>
>>>>> What planet are you on? It is certainly not Earth.
>>>>
>>>> Go read some financial publication, rather than absorbing all that
>>>> left-wing claptrap.
>>>
>>> What financial publications are going to publish the truth about who is
>>> really left and right? If the financial publications are claiming that
>>> Apple is the darling of the "left", they are either lying or have no
>>> clue to what "left" actually means in this context. Duh.
>>
>> Al Gore is a political member of the Board of Directors at Apple.
>
>Al Gore is not, and has never been, left wing. Gore was part of the DLC
>(Democratic Leadership Council) whose aim was to move the party farther
>to the right, co-opting policies of the Republican Party. Duh.
>
>If Al Gore is your idea of left-wing, no wonder your world view is so
>distorted.
Are you being intentionally vague, expressing
>On 5/28/2012 10:17 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
>> In article<jq1647$oq5$4...@dont-email.me>,
>> "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/28/2012 4:01 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
>>>> In article<jq0k0j$h5j$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>>> "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/27/2012 12:40 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> By contrast, one of the darlings of the Left, Apple[...]
>>>>>
>>>>> What planet are you on? It is certainly not Earth.
>>>>
>>>> Go read some financial publication, rather than absorbing all that
>>>> left-wing claptrap.
>>>
>>> What financial publications are going to publish the truth about who is
>>> really left and right? If the financial publications are claiming that
>>> Apple is the darling of the "left", they are either lying or have no
>>> clue to what "left" actually means in this context. Duh.
>>
>> Al Gore is a political member of the Board of Directors at Apple.
>
>Al Gore is not, and has never been, left wing. Gore was part of the DLC
>(Democratic Leadership Council) whose aim was to move the party farther
>to the right, co-opting policies of the Republican Party. Duh.
>
>If Al Gore is your idea of left-wing, no wonder your world view is so
>distorted.
a different twist, calling both parties right wing?
Gunner Asch
May 29, 2012, 1:30:09 PM5/29/12
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 19:43:45 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>On 5/28/2012 4:01 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
>> In article<jq0k0j$h5j$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/27/2012 12:40 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>> By contrast, one of the darlings of the Left, Apple[...]
>>>
>>> What planet are you on? It is certainly not Earth.
>>
>> Go read some financial publication, rather than absorbing all that
>> left-wing claptrap.
>
>What financial publications are going to publish the truth about who is
>really left and right? If the financial publications are claiming that
>Apple is the darling of the "left", they are either lying or have no
>clue to what "left" actually means in this context. Duh.
So you are claiming that the DNC is actually a RightWing organization?
>On 5/28/2012 4:01 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
>> In article<jq0k0j$h5j$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/27/2012 12:40 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>> By contrast, one of the darlings of the Left, Apple[...]
>>>
>>> What planet are you on? It is certainly not Earth.
>>
>> Go read some financial publication, rather than absorbing all that
>> left-wing claptrap.
>
>What financial publications are going to publish the truth about who is
>really left and right? If the financial publications are claiming that
>Apple is the darling of the "left", they are either lying or have no
>clue to what "left" actually means in this context. Duh.
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gunner Asch
May 29, 2012, 1:31:46 PM5/29/12
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 22:47:41 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>
>> Al Gore is a political member of the Board of Directors at Apple.
>
>Al Gore is not, and has never been, left wing. Gore was part of the DLC
>(Democratic Leadership Council) whose aim was to move the party farther
>to the right, co-opting policies of the Republican Party. Duh.
>
>If Al Gore is your idea of left-wing, no wonder your world view is so
>distorted.
And here we have a Commisar trying to prove to the lumpinprolitariat
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>
>> Al Gore is a political member of the Board of Directors at Apple.
>
>Al Gore is not, and has never been, left wing. Gore was part of the DLC
>(Democratic Leadership Council) whose aim was to move the party farther
>to the right, co-opting policies of the Republican Party. Duh.
>
>If Al Gore is your idea of left-wing, no wonder your world view is so
>distorted.
that Communism really isnt Leftwing.
Tommy..is either a brainless Useful Idiot..or a Leftwing commisar
Gunner Asch
May 29, 2012, 1:33:07 PM5/29/12
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 22:44:26 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>>>
>>> Clueless and uninformed. The US Democratic Party is right-wing, not
>>> left-wing by world-wide standards. Duh.
>>
>> Blink blink....you of course are basing "world -wide" standards by Cuba,
>> the old USSR and pre-Mao China..right?
>
>No. You really are an idiot.
And here po ol Tommy is in denial. A true Useful Idiot
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>>>
>>> Clueless and uninformed. The US Democratic Party is right-wing, not
>>> left-wing by world-wide standards. Duh.
>>
>> Blink blink....you of course are basing "world -wide" standards by Cuba,
>> the old USSR and pre-Mao China..right?
>
>No. You really are an idiot.
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 29, 2012, 10:32:30 PM5/29/12
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And yes, the US Democratic Party is to the right of European mainstream
conservative parties.
Orval Fairbairn
May 29, 2012, 11:11:49 PM5/29/12
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emoneyjoe
May 29, 2012, 11:16:33 PM5/29/12
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On Tue, 29 May 2012 21:32:30 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
Was.
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 29, 2012, 11:45:35 PM5/29/12
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On 5/29/2012 10:11 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> In article<jq40s3$brq$1...@dont-email.me>,
No, the problem in the EU is the same as in the US and many other
countries: odious debt.
> In article<jq40s3$brq$1...@dont-email.me>,
countries: odious debt.
Orval Fairbairn
May 30, 2012, 1:14:58 PM5/30/12
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In article <jq4554$d1$1...@dont-email.me>,
... caused by profligate spending -- too many social programs and too
many public employees with overly-generous benefits.
many public employees with overly-generous benefits.
emoneyjoe
May 30, 2012, 1:42:36 PM5/30/12
to
younger than in the US.
With Germany being the only country that
has much industry, it's a wonder the euro lasted
this long.
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 30, 2012, 11:11:58 PM5/30/12
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On 5/30/2012 12:14 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> In article<jq4554$d1$1...@dont-email.me>,
You obviously have no idea what odious debt means.
> In article<jq4554$d1$1...@dont-email.me>,
Orval Fairbairn
May 30, 2012, 11:22:56 PM5/30/12
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In article <jq6ni3$q77$1...@dont-email.me>,
I try to avoid ALL debt. Yes -- I DO know what odious debt is.
1. Obama is adding to it.
2. Jerry Brown in CA is adding to it.
3. Greece is already there.
These odious debts are the result of profligate spending and letting the
fox (public employee unions and their Democrat slaves) guard the
henhouse (the public treasury).
If you have a different idea of odious debt, please enlighten us.
1. Obama is adding to it.
2. Jerry Brown in CA is adding to it.
3. Greece is already there.
These odious debts are the result of profligate spending and letting the
fox (public employee unions and their Democrat slaves) guard the
henhouse (the public treasury).
If you have a different idea of odious debt, please enlighten us.
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 30, 2012, 11:54:18 PM5/30/12
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On 5/30/2012 10:22 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> In article<jq6ni3$q77$1...@dont-email.me>,
The one that is commonly used. Duh.
Of course the largest recent odious debt in the US is due to the Zio-Con
war on Islam and associated war profiteering.
> In article<jq6ni3$q77$1...@dont-email.me>,
Of course the largest recent odious debt in the US is due to the Zio-Con
war on Islam and associated war profiteering.
Orval Fairbairn
May 31, 2012, 11:18:10 AM5/31/12
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In article <jq6q1h$4lb$1...@dont-email.me>,
Evasion noted.
Translation: "I'm just blowing smoke because I have no idea."
Translation: "I'm just blowing smoke because I have no idea."
Tom $herman (-_-)
Jun 2, 2012, 12:29:02 AM6/2/12
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On 5/31/2012 10:18 AM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> In article<jq6q1h$4lb$1...@dont-email.me>,
Translation: I have not clue, so I resort to insults.
> In article<jq6q1h$4lb$1...@dont-email.me>,
Orval Fairbairn
Jun 2, 2012, 11:36:58 AM6/2/12
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In article <jqc4qf$7i8$1...@dont-email.me>,
The above phrase, "the Zio-Con war on Islam and associated war
profiteering" illustrates the substitution of slogans and phrases for
rational thought. Still blowing smoke, I see.
profiteering" illustrates the substitution of slogans and phrases for
rational thought. Still blowing smoke, I see.
Tom $herman (-_-)
Jun 2, 2012, 10:30:26 PM6/2/12
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On 6/2/2012 10:36 AM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> In article<jqc4qf$7i8$1...@dont-email.me>,
You are a mass-media duped ignoramus. And I am being nice here.
> In article<jqc4qf$7i8$1...@dont-email.me>,
emoneyjoe
Jun 2, 2012, 11:01:43 PM6/2/12
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 21:30:26 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
No, you are just another liberal nut posting one liners.
Orval Fairbairn
Jun 2, 2012, 11:58:41 PM6/2/12
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Tom $herman (-_-)
Jun 3, 2012, 1:26:42 PM6/3/12
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up to power - you are no better than a traitor.
And I not a liberal, you stupid idiot.
Tom $herman (-_-)
Jun 3, 2012, 1:28:06 PM6/3/12
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On 6/2/2012 10:58 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> In article<jqei83$vq7$2...@dont-email.me>,
Since you ask, you have probably always been an ignorant dupe for your
enemies. With people like you, no wonder the world is going to hell.
> In article<jqei83$vq7$2...@dont-email.me>,
enemies. With people like you, no wonder the world is going to hell.
emoneyjoe
Jun 3, 2012, 5:06:20 PM6/3/12
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On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:26:42 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
Well, only liberals post one liners because they
don't know the enter key is also a carriage return
and line feed.
Retorts don't reveal anything about what you
mean when you respond, and I haven't seen
you retort on liberal spin.
don't know the enter key is also a carriage return
and line feed.
Retorts don't reveal anything about what you
mean when you respond, and I haven't seen
you retort on liberal spin.
Orval Fairbairn
Jun 4, 2012, 1:05:53 AM6/4/12
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In article <jqg6oh$bor$1...@dont-email.me>,
No -- he is a collectivist socialist who believes in monolithic
government and the squelching of freedom.
government and the squelching of freedom.
Gunner Asch
Jun 4, 2012, 3:16:26 AM6/4/12
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Tom $herman (-_-)
Jun 5, 2012, 11:37:02 PM6/5/12
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On 6/4/2012 12:05 AM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> In article<jqg6oh$bor$1...@dont-email.me>,
I stand by my assessment of your being an idiot.
> In article<jqg6oh$bor$1...@dont-email.me>,
Orval Fairbairn
Jun 6, 2012, 12:44:50 PM6/6/12
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In article <jqmj8t$hai$2...@dont-email.me>,
... and your assessment is worth 1 billion rasbuckniks, where one
million rasbuckniks are worth exactly: NOTHING!
million rasbuckniks are worth exactly: NOTHING!
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