> If West Coast motorists were stunned last week when gas prices jumped as
> much as 16 cents a gallon at some stations, prepare for Stunner No. 2.
> Prices could rise an additional 20 cents in the next few days, as refinery
> problems continue to choke supplies for California's special blend of
> clean burning gas. On Thursday, many Bay Area stations saw jumps of
> several cents to a dime.
> "Prepare to get clobbered," said Patrick DeHaan, the senior petroleum
> analyst with GasBuddy.com.
> West Coast gas inventories are at their lowest level in 20 years, he said,
> and the blame is with production on the West Coast.
> "Refineries have been having a lousy spring with not just one massive
> facility outage," DeHaan said, "but smaller, more widespread issues."
> At midday Thursday, Rotten Robbie President Tom Robinson was stunned to
> find out that West Coast spot prices were 70 cents higher than on the New
> York Mercantile Exchange. The exchange handles billions of dollars worth
> of energy products and other commodities and is the basis for prices that
> people pay for various commodities like oil throughout the world.
> "Only a few weeks ago, we were lower than the Merc," Robinson said.
> "Because it is related to refiner problems, I don't believe the increases
> will last long, but they are currently very ugly."
> The California average was $4.23 a gallon Thursday, up more than a dime
> from the end of April. San Jose-area motorists were paying $4.23, San
> Francisco $4.30 and those around Oakland $4.22.
> Nationally, drivers are paying $3.74 a gallon, down 6 cents from last
> week.
> Bloomberg News reported that Phillips 66, Royal Dutch Shell and Tesoro
> have been performing work on units at three out of the five refineries in
> the Bay Area. And BP's Cherry Point refinery in Washington state also has
> been down, but could restart production early next week.
> But for some Bay Area motorists, the refinery issues weren't selling.
> "Even though we are talking about gas and oil, something smells fishy,"
> said Dave Wolf, of San Jose. "It would seem they could use some
> imagination and ingenuity and stagger their repair and maintenance over
> several weeks."
> DeHaan said there are no other refineries that produce California's type
> of gas and that no one else can help the West Coast.
> "I certainly don't think there's a reason to panic about this," he said.
> "There will still be gasoline.
> "This warning is to prepare yourself, or make plans, knowing that gasoline
> prices may jump a good amount soon."
> --
> Obama's black racist USAG appointee.
> Eric Holder, racist black United States Attorney General drops voter
> intimidation charges against the Black Panthers, "You are about to be
> ruled by the black man, cracker!"
> Eric Holder, prejudiced black United States Attorney General settles the
> hate crime debate, "Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws."
> Nancy Pelosi, Democrat criminal, accessory before and after the fact, to
> former House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles B. Rangel of New
> York's million dollar tax evasion.
> Barack Obama and Eric Holder, committed treason by knowingly and
> deliberately arming enemies of the United States of America through
> Operation Fast and Furious. Complicit in the murder of Federal employees
> during the execution of their duties.
> --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to n...@netfront.net ---
LOL...and yet prices are dropping..and are expected to drop further.
Leroy is really getting slow.
And the prices are still below the highs we aid during Bush.
And why no bitching about gas prices when Bush was in office?
> > If West Coast motorists were stunned last week when gas prices jumped as
> > much as 16 cents a gallon at some stations, prepare for Stunner No. 2.
> > Prices could rise an additional 20 cents in the next few days, as refinery
> > problems continue to choke supplies for California's special blend of
> > clean burning gas. On Thursday, many Bay Area stations saw jumps of
> > several cents to a dime.
> > "Prepare to get clobbered," said Patrick DeHaan, the senior petroleum
> > analyst with GasBuddy.com.
> > West Coast gas inventories are at their lowest level in 20 years, he said,
> > and the blame is with production on the West Coast.
> > "Refineries have been having a lousy spring with not just one massive
> > facility outage," DeHaan said, "but smaller, more widespread issues."
> > At midday Thursday, Rotten Robbie President Tom Robinson was stunned to
> > find out that West Coast spot prices were 70 cents higher than on the New
> > York Mercantile Exchange. The exchange handles billions of dollars worth
> > of energy products and other commodities and is the basis for prices that
> > people pay for various commodities like oil throughout the world.
> > "Only a few weeks ago, we were lower than the Merc," Robinson said.
> > "Because it is related to refiner problems, I don't believe the increases
> > will last long, but they are currently very ugly."
> > The California average was $4.23 a gallon Thursday, up more than a dime
> > from the end of April. San Jose-area motorists were paying $4.23, San
> > Francisco $4.30 and those around Oakland $4.22.
> > Nationally, drivers are paying $3.74 a gallon, down 6 cents from last
> > week.
> > Bloomberg News reported that Phillips 66, Royal Dutch Shell and Tesoro
> > have been performing work on units at three out of the five refineries in
> > the Bay Area. And BP's Cherry Point refinery in Washington state also has
> > been down, but could restart production early next week.
> > But for some Bay Area motorists, the refinery issues weren't selling.
> > "Even though we are talking about gas and oil, something smells fishy,"
> > said Dave Wolf, of San Jose. "It would seem they could use some
> > imagination and ingenuity and stagger their repair and maintenance over
> > several weeks."
> > DeHaan said there are no other refineries that produce California's type
> > of gas and that no one else can help the West Coast.
> > "I certainly don't think there's a reason to panic about this," he said.
> > "There will still be gasoline.
> > "This warning is to prepare yourself, or make plans, knowing that gasoline
> > prices may jump a good amount soon."
> > --
> > Obama's black racist USAG appointee.
> > Eric Holder, racist black United States Attorney General drops voter
> > intimidation charges against the Black Panthers, "You are about to be
> > ruled by the black man, cracker!"
> > Eric Holder, prejudiced black United States Attorney General settles the
> > hate crime debate, "Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws."
> > Nancy Pelosi, Democrat criminal, accessory before and after the fact, to
> > former House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles B. Rangel of New
> > York's million dollar tax evasion.
> > Barack Obama and Eric Holder, committed treason by knowingly and
> > deliberately arming enemies of the United States of America through
> > Operation Fast and Furious. Complicit in the murder of Federal employees
> > during the execution of their duties.
> > --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to > > n...@netfront.net ---
> LOL...and yet prices are dropping..and are expected to drop further.
> > > If West Coast motorists were stunned last week when gas prices jumped as
> > > much as 16 cents a gallon at some stations, prepare for Stunner No. 2.
> > > Prices could rise an additional 20 cents in the next few days, as refinery
> > > problems continue to choke supplies for California's special blend of
> > > clean burning gas. On Thursday, many Bay Area stations saw jumps of
> > > several cents to a dime.
> > > "Prepare to get clobbered," said Patrick DeHaan, the senior petroleum
> > > analyst with GasBuddy.com.
> > > West Coast gas inventories are at their lowest level in 20 years, he said,
> > > and the blame is with production on the West Coast.
> > > "Refineries have been having a lousy spring with not just one massive
> > > facility outage," DeHaan said, "but smaller, more widespread issues."
> > > At midday Thursday, Rotten Robbie President Tom Robinson was stunned to
> > > find out that West Coast spot prices were 70 cents higher than on the New
> > > York Mercantile Exchange. The exchange handles billions of dollars worth
> > > of energy products and other commodities and is the basis for prices that
> > > people pay for various commodities like oil throughout the world.
> > > "Only a few weeks ago, we were lower than the Merc," Robinson said.
> > > "Because it is related to refiner problems, I don't believe the increases
> > > will last long, but they are currently very ugly."
> > > The California average was $4.23 a gallon Thursday, up more than a dime
> > > from the end of April. San Jose-area motorists were paying $4.23, San
> > > Francisco $4.30 and those around Oakland $4.22.
> > > Nationally, drivers are paying $3.74 a gallon, down 6 cents from last
> > > week.
> > > Bloomberg News reported that Phillips 66, Royal Dutch Shell and Tesoro
> > > have been performing work on units at three out of the five refineries in
> > > the Bay Area. And BP's Cherry Point refinery in Washington state also has
> > > been down, but could restart production early next week.
> > > But for some Bay Area motorists, the refinery issues weren't selling.
> > > "Even though we are talking about gas and oil, something smells fishy,"
> > > said Dave Wolf, of San Jose. "It would seem they could use some
> > > imagination and ingenuity and stagger their repair and maintenance over
> > > several weeks."
> > > DeHaan said there are no other refineries that produce California's type
> > > of gas and that no one else can help the West Coast.
> > > "I certainly don't think there's a reason to panic about this," he said.
> > > "There will still be gasoline.
> > > "This warning is to prepare yourself, or make plans, knowing that gasoline
> > > prices may jump a good amount soon."
> > > --
> > > Obama's black racist USAG appointee.
> > > Eric Holder, racist black United States Attorney General drops voter
> > > intimidation charges against the Black Panthers, "You are about to be
> > > ruled by the black man, cracker!"
> > > Eric Holder, prejudiced black United States Attorney General settles the
> > > hate crime debate, "Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws."
> > > Nancy Pelosi, Democrat criminal, accessory before and after the fact, to
> > > former House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles B. Rangel of New
> > > York's million dollar tax evasion.
> > > Barack Obama and Eric Holder, committed treason by knowingly and
> > > deliberately arming enemies of the United States of America through
> > > Operation Fast and Furious. Complicit in the murder of Federal employees
> > > during the execution of their duties.
> > > --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to
> > > n...@netfront.net ---
> > LOL...and yet prices are dropping..and are expected to drop further.
> Cite?
> Knew you couldn't provide one.
> snicker- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
Why don't you do your homework before posting stupid posts?
That's right...I forgot again that you are a brain dead conservative.
Obamacare can help you with that.
When he is reelected, we can enter you in the dog brain transplant
program.
> > If West Coast motorists were stunned last week when gas prices jumped as
> > much as 16 cents a gallon at some stations, prepare for Stunner No. 2.
> > Prices could rise an additional 20 cents in the next few days, as refinery
> > problems continue to choke supplies for California's special blend of
> > clean burning gas. On Thursday, many Bay Area stations saw jumps of
> > several cents to a dime.
> > "Prepare to get clobbered," said Patrick DeHaan, the senior petroleum
> > analyst with GasBuddy.com.
> > West Coast gas inventories are at their lowest level in 20 years, he said,
> > and the blame is with production on the West Coast.
> > "Refineries have been having a lousy spring with not just one massive
> > facility outage," DeHaan said, "but smaller, more widespread issues."
> > At midday Thursday, Rotten Robbie President Tom Robinson was stunned to
> > find out that West Coast spot prices were 70 cents higher than on the New
> > York Mercantile Exchange. The exchange handles billions of dollars worth
> > of energy products and other commodities and is the basis for prices that
> > people pay for various commodities like oil throughout the world.
> > "Only a few weeks ago, we were lower than the Merc," Robinson said.
> > "Because it is related to refiner problems, I don't believe the increases
> > will last long, but they are currently very ugly."
> > The California average was $4.23 a gallon Thursday, up more than a dime
> > from the end of April. San Jose-area motorists were paying $4.23, San
> > Francisco $4.30 and those around Oakland $4.22.
> > Nationally, drivers are paying $3.74 a gallon, down 6 cents from last
> > week.
> > Bloomberg News reported that Phillips 66, Royal Dutch Shell and Tesoro
> > have been performing work on units at three out of the five refineries in
> > the Bay Area. And BP's Cherry Point refinery in Washington state also has
> > been down, but could restart production early next week.
> > But for some Bay Area motorists, the refinery issues weren't selling.
> > "Even though we are talking about gas and oil, something smells fishy,"
> > said Dave Wolf, of San Jose. "It would seem they could use some
> > imagination and ingenuity and stagger their repair and maintenance over
> > several weeks."
> > DeHaan said there are no other refineries that produce California's type
> > of gas and that no one else can help the West Coast.
> > "I certainly don't think there's a reason to panic about this," he said.
> > "There will still be gasoline.
> > "This warning is to prepare yourself, or make plans, knowing that gasoline
> > prices may jump a good amount soon."
> > --
> > Obama's black racist USAG appointee.
> > Eric Holder, racist black United States Attorney General drops voter
> > intimidation charges against the Black Panthers, "You are about to be
> > ruled by the black man, cracker!"
> > Eric Holder, prejudiced black United States Attorney General settles the
> > hate crime debate, "Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws."
> > Nancy Pelosi, Democrat criminal, accessory before and after the fact, to
> > former House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles B. Rangel of New
> > York's million dollar tax evasion.
> > Barack Obama and Eric Holder, committed treason by knowingly and
> > deliberately arming enemies of the United States of America through
> > Operation Fast and Furious. Complicit in the murder of Federal employees
> > during the execution of their duties.
> > --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to n...@netfront.net ---
> LOL...and yet prices are dropping..and are expected to drop further.
> Leroy is really getting slow.
> And the prices are still below the highs we aid during Bush.
> And why no bitching about gas prices when Bush was in office?
> TMT- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
HUH ?? Why no bitchin' from you when Obama DOUBLED the price of gas??
> > > > If West Coast motorists were stunned last week when gas prices jumped as
> > > > much as 16 cents a gallon at some stations, prepare for Stunner No. 2.
> > > > Prices could rise an additional 20 cents in the next few days, as refinery
> > > > problems continue to choke supplies for California's special blend of
> > > > clean burning gas. On Thursday, many Bay Area stations saw jumps of
> > > > several cents to a dime.
> > > > "Prepare to get clobbered," said Patrick DeHaan, the senior petroleum
> > > > analyst with GasBuddy.com.
> > > > West Coast gas inventories are at their lowest level in 20 years, he said,
> > > > and the blame is with production on the West Coast.
> > > > "Refineries have been having a lousy spring with not just one massive
> > > > facility outage," DeHaan said, "but smaller, more widespread issues."
> > > > At midday Thursday, Rotten Robbie President Tom Robinson was stunned to
> > > > find out that West Coast spot prices were 70 cents higher than on the New
> > > > York Mercantile Exchange. The exchange handles billions of dollars worth
> > > > of energy products and other commodities and is the basis for prices that
> > > > people pay for various commodities like oil throughout the world.
> > > > "Only a few weeks ago, we were lower than the Merc," Robinson said.
> > > > "Because it is related to refiner problems, I don't believe the increases
> > > > will last long, but they are currently very ugly."
> > > > The California average was $4.23 a gallon Thursday, up more than a dime
> > > > from the end of April. San Jose-area motorists were paying $4.23, San
> > > > Francisco $4.30 and those around Oakland $4.22.
> > > > Nationally, drivers are paying $3.74 a gallon, down 6 cents from last
> > > > week.
> > > > Bloomberg News reported that Phillips 66, Royal Dutch Shell and Tesoro
> > > > have been performing work on units at three out of the five refineries in
> > > > the Bay Area. And BP's Cherry Point refinery in Washington state also has
> > > > been down, but could restart production early next week.
> > > > But for some Bay Area motorists, the refinery issues weren't selling.
> > > > "Even though we are talking about gas and oil, something smells fishy,"
> > > > said Dave Wolf, of San Jose. "It would seem they could use some
> > > > imagination and ingenuity and stagger their repair and maintenance over
> > > > several weeks."
> > > > DeHaan said there are no other refineries that produce California's type
> > > > of gas and that no one else can help the West Coast.
> > > > "I certainly don't think there's a reason to panic about this," he said.
> > > > "There will still be gasoline.
> > > > "This warning is to prepare yourself, or make plans, knowing that gasoline
> > > > prices may jump a good amount soon."
> > > > --
> > > > Obama's black racist USAG appointee.
> > > > Eric Holder, racist black United States Attorney General drops voter
> > > > intimidation charges against the Black Panthers, "You are about to be
> > > > ruled by the black man, cracker!"
> > > > Eric Holder, prejudiced black United States Attorney General settles the
> > > > hate crime debate, "Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws."
> > > > Nancy Pelosi, Democrat criminal, accessory before and after the fact, to
> > > > former House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles B. Rangel of New
> > > > York's million dollar tax evasion.
> > > > Barack Obama and Eric Holder, committed treason by knowingly and
> > > > deliberately arming enemies of the United States of America through
> > > > Operation Fast and Furious. Complicit in the murder of Federal employees
> > > > during the execution of their duties.
> > > > --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to
> > > > n...@netfront.net ---
> > > LOL...and yet prices are dropping..and are expected to drop further.
> > Cite?
> > Knew you couldn't provide one.
> > snicker- Hide quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
> Why don't you do your homework before posting stupid posts?
> That's right...I forgot again that you are a brain dead conservative.
> Obamacare can help you with that.
> When he is reelected, we can enter you in the dog brain transplant
> program.
> And oh look...your attempt to censor me failed.
> Laugh..laugh..laugh..
> TMT- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
HUH ?? When Obama eats dog he saves the brain?? HOODATHUNKIT ??
> > > > > If West Coast motorists were stunned last week when gas prices jumped as
> > > > > much as 16 cents a gallon at some stations, prepare for Stunner No. 2.
> > > > > Prices could rise an additional 20 cents in the next few days, as refinery
> > > > > problems continue to choke supplies for California's special blend of
> > > > > clean burning gas. On Thursday, many Bay Area stations saw jumps of
> > > > > several cents to a dime.
> > > > > "Prepare to get clobbered," said Patrick DeHaan, the senior petroleum
> > > > > analyst with GasBuddy.com.
> > > > > West Coast gas inventories are at their lowest level in 20 years, he said,
> > > > > and the blame is with production on the West Coast.
> > > > > "Refineries have been having a lousy spring with not just one massive
> > > > > facility outage," DeHaan said, "but smaller, more widespread issues."
> > > > > At midday Thursday, Rotten Robbie President Tom Robinson was stunned to
> > > > > find out that West Coast spot prices were 70 cents higher than on the New
> > > > > York Mercantile Exchange. The exchange handles billions of dollars worth
> > > > > of energy products and other commodities and is the basis for prices that
> > > > > people pay for various commodities like oil throughout the world.
> > > > > "Only a few weeks ago, we were lower than the Merc," Robinson said.
> > > > > "Because it is related to refiner problems, I don't believe the increases
> > > > > will last long, but they are currently very ugly."
> > > > > The California average was $4.23 a gallon Thursday, up more than a dime
> > > > > from the end of April. San Jose-area motorists were paying $4.23, San
> > > > > Francisco $4.30 and those around Oakland $4.22.
> > > > > Nationally, drivers are paying $3.74 a gallon, down 6 cents from last
> > > > > week.
> > > > > Bloomberg News reported that Phillips 66, Royal Dutch Shell and Tesoro
> > > > > have been performing work on units at three out of the five refineries in
> > > > > the Bay Area. And BP's Cherry Point refinery in Washington state also has
> > > > > been down, but could restart production early next week.
> > > > > But for some Bay Area motorists, the refinery issues weren't selling.
> > > > > "Even though we are talking about gas and oil, something smells fishy,"
> > > > > said Dave Wolf, of San Jose. "It would seem they could use some
> > > > > imagination and ingenuity and stagger their repair and maintenance over
> > > > > several weeks."
> > > > > DeHaan said there are no other refineries that produce California's type
> > > > > of gas and that no one else can help the West Coast.
> > > > > "I certainly don't think there's a reason to panic about this," he said.
> > > > > "There will still be gasoline.
> > > > > "This warning is to prepare yourself, or make plans, knowing that gasoline
> > > > > prices may jump a good amount soon."
> > > > > --
> > > > > Obama's black racist USAG appointee.
> > > > > Eric Holder, racist black United States Attorney General drops voter
> > > > > intimidation charges against the Black Panthers, "You are about to be
> > > > > ruled by the black man, cracker!"
> > > > > Eric Holder, prejudiced black United States Attorney General settles the
> > > > > hate crime debate, "Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws."
> > > > > Nancy Pelosi, Democrat criminal, accessory before and after the fact, to
> > > > > former House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles B. Rangel of New
> > > > > York's million dollar tax evasion.
> > > > > Barack Obama and Eric Holder, committed treason by knowingly and
> > > > > deliberately arming enemies of the United States of America through
> > > > > Operation Fast and Furious. Complicit in the murder of Federal employees
> > > > > during the execution of their duties.
> > > > > --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to
> > > > > n...@netfront.net ---
> > > > LOL...and yet prices are dropping..and are expected to drop further.
> > > Cite?
> > > Knew you couldn't provide one.
> > > snicker- Hide quoted text -
> > > - Show quoted text -
> > Why don't you do your homework before posting stupid posts?
> > That's right...I forgot again that you are a brain dead conservative.
> > Obamacare can help you with that.
> > When he is reelected, we can enter you in the dog brain transplant
> > program.
> > And oh look...your attempt to censor me failed.
> > Laugh..laugh..laugh..
> > TMT- Hide quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
> HUH ?? When Obama eats dog he saves the brain?? HOODATHUNKIT ??- Hide quoted text -
> > > If West Coast motorists were stunned last week when gas prices jumped as
> > > much as 16 cents a gallon at some stations, prepare for Stunner No. 2.
> > > Prices could rise an additional 20 cents in the next few days, as refinery
> > > problems continue to choke supplies for California's special blend of
> > > clean burning gas. On Thursday, many Bay Area stations saw jumps of
> > > several cents to a dime.
> > > "Prepare to get clobbered," said Patrick DeHaan, the senior petroleum
> > > analyst with GasBuddy.com.
> > > West Coast gas inventories are at their lowest level in 20 years, he said,
> > > and the blame is with production on the West Coast.
> > > "Refineries have been having a lousy spring with not just one massive
> > > facility outage," DeHaan said, "but smaller, more widespread issues."
> > > At midday Thursday, Rotten Robbie President Tom Robinson was stunned to
> > > find out that West Coast spot prices were 70 cents higher than on the New
> > > York Mercantile Exchange. The exchange handles billions of dollars worth
> > > of energy products and other commodities and is the basis for prices that
> > > people pay for various commodities like oil throughout the world.
> > > "Only a few weeks ago, we were lower than the Merc," Robinson said.
> > > "Because it is related to refiner problems, I don't believe the increases
> > > will last long, but they are currently very ugly."
> > > The California average was $4.23 a gallon Thursday, up more than a dime
> > > from the end of April. San Jose-area motorists were paying $4.23, San
> > > Francisco $4.30 and those around Oakland $4.22.
> > > Nationally, drivers are paying $3.74 a gallon, down 6 cents from last
> > > week.
> > > Bloomberg News reported that Phillips 66, Royal Dutch Shell and Tesoro
> > > have been performing work on units at three out of the five refineries in
> > > the Bay Area. And BP's Cherry Point refinery in Washington state also has
> > > been down, but could restart production early next week.
> > > But for some Bay Area motorists, the refinery issues weren't selling.
> > > "Even though we are talking about gas and oil, something smells fishy,"
> > > said Dave Wolf, of San Jose. "It would seem they could use some
> > > imagination and ingenuity and stagger their repair and maintenance over
> > > several weeks."
> > > DeHaan said there are no other refineries that produce California's type
> > > of gas and that no one else can help the West Coast.
> > > "I certainly don't think there's a reason to panic about this," he said.
> > > "There will still be gasoline.
> > > "This warning is to prepare yourself, or make plans, knowing that gasoline
> > > prices may jump a good amount soon."
> > > --
> > > Obama's black racist USAG appointee.
> > > Eric Holder, racist black United States Attorney General drops voter
> > > intimidation charges against the Black Panthers, "You are about to be
> > > ruled by the black man, cracker!"
> > > Eric Holder, prejudiced black United States Attorney General settles the
> > > hate crime debate, "Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws."
> > > Nancy Pelosi, Democrat criminal, accessory before and after the fact, to
> > > former House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles B. Rangel of New
> > > York's million dollar tax evasion.
> > > Barack Obama and Eric Holder, committed treason by knowingly and
> > > deliberately arming enemies of the United States of America through
> > > Operation Fast and Furious. Complicit in the murder of Federal employees
> > > during the execution of their duties.
> > > --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to n...@netfront.net ---
> > LOL...and yet prices are dropping..and are expected to drop further.
> > Leroy is really getting slow.
> > And the prices are still below the highs we aid during Bush.
> > And why no bitching about gas prices when Bush was in office?
> > TMT- Hide quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
> HUH ?? Why no bitchin' from you when Obama DOUBLED the price of gas??- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
LOL..so every time when you fill up do you bend over for the oil
companies that Republicans love?
>> I carry about 800 lbs of tools and materials in my truck each and every
>> day. I dont think a scooter is in my agenda for work/play. And it
>> doesnt pull one of the sail boats nor the work/fun trailers
>Yeah, but what about all the people who use a 1.5 to 4-ton vehicle to >carry nothing but themselves?
Let them. Its their money.
Gunner
--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince".
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>On 5/20/2012 5:10 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 05/20/2012 01:43 PM, emoneyjoe wrote:
>>> You have a sick idea about what socialism is,
>>> gasoline prices are more dependent on where
>>> it has to be transported to, have you looked at
>>> the production, refining and consumption for
>>> California? I haven't, but it would show if it
>>> is taxes or availability that makes prices higher.
>> We pay 35.3 cents/gallon and 15.2 (not clear if this is cents/gallon or
>> percentage of cost). On top of that are sales taxes which run as high as
>> 9.75& on top of (presumably) all the other taxes.
>> Remember, part of the real cost is the tax on gasoline/diesel that the
>> truckers who haul the stuff pay.
>> I remember reading somewhere that governments make more in taxes on gas
>> and tobacco than the producers do. What's wrong with this picture?
>The gas station/C-store owners make little to no profit on selling >gasoline and diesel fuel - that is just a way to get you inside the >store to buy something else.
>On the other hand, the large oil companies have made the largest profits >ever in recent years.
Ayup..they sure did. But it was because they sold more gas than in
recent years.
That .08-.15 cents a gallon profit really starts to add up when they
sell billions and billions of gallons of fuel
Gunner
--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince".
> America is the single largest consumer of oil products, yet our retail
> prices are very average in the world market, despite excessive federal
> taxation. Who is gouging whom?
> Where does all the money go?
> Based upon a $3.00 gallon of gasoline, the average break-down is as
> follows.
> Gasoline Retailer $.01 cents per gallon
> Oil Company $.08 cents per gallon
> Refining $.29 cents per gallon
> Marketing/Distribution $.32 cents per gallon
> Taxes $.59 cents per gallon
> Cost of crude $1.71 per gallon (delivered)
I assume you mean one cent per gallon, eight cents per gallon, twenty-nine cents per gallon etc.
> Who is gouging who?
> Why is there a wide price variation between locations?
> Gasoline is used by American retailers as a loss leader product.
You can buy gas at Costco without ever entering the store. I might do this if Costco is closer to me.
> Corporations dont pay taxes!
> They do collect and remit taxes. But every penny of taxes placed on
> corporate income is passed on to the consumer in the form of higher
> retail prices, just like the .59 cents per gallon of federal taxes being
> collected on behalf of the federal government at the pumps today.
Exactly.
> "The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
> capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
> It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
> Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
> and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
> such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
> fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
> fools that made him their prince".
What he said.
-- Cheers, Bev
"A friend is someone who puts the needs of others above their own.
Find one of those people and take advantage of him." --Rat
> On 5/20/2012 4:55 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> > In article<jpbnsb$fa...@dont-email.me>,
> > "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
> >> On 5/20/2012 3:43 PM, emoneyjoe wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 20 May 2012 11:41:53 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
> >>> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
> >>>> On 5/14/2012 12:53 PM, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
> >>>>> [...]
> >>>>> The California average was $4.23 a gallon Thursday, up more than a dime
> >>>>> from the end of April. San Jose-area motorists were paying $4.23, San
> >>>>> Francisco $4.30 and those around Oakland $4.22.
> >>>>> Nationally, drivers are paying $3.74 a gallon, down 6 cents from last
> >>>>> week.[...]
> >>>> Wah, wah, wah. Gasoline needs to be at about $12/gallon to pay for all
> >>>> the externalities.
> >>>> Quit whining about being able to buy heavily subsidized fuel, while
> >>>> driving on heavily subsidized roads, and parking in heavily subsidized
> >>>> lots.
> >>>> For all the anti-socialist rhetoric, you people sure want a lot of
> >>>> government handouts.
> >>> You have a sick idea about what socialism is,
> >>> gasoline prices are more dependent on where
> >>> it has to be transported to, have you looked at
> >>> the production, refining and consumption for
> >>> California? I haven't, but it would show if it
> >>> is taxes or availability that makes prices higher.
> >> Do you realize the US has over 700 foreign military bases, almost all in
> >> regions that are major sources of hydrocarbon extraction?
> >> The northern Europeans pay the equivalent of $8 to $12 per gallon, yet
> >> they have a better quality of life than USians.
> > Please define "better quality of life."
> That is obvious.
> > I happen to think that my quality of life is far better than that of
> > Europeans -- and I have a number of European friends who would agree
> > with me. They spend as much time here in the Us as they can.
> All my European relatives that moved here ended up moving back, and were > glad of it.
Then I suggest that you do the same and report back in a year or so.
>>> You have a sick idea about what socialism is, gasoline prices are
>>> more dependent on where it has to be transported to, have you
>>> looked at the production, refining and consumption for
>>> California? I haven't, but it would show if it is taxes or
>>> availability that makes prices higher.
>> We pay 35.3 cents/gallon and 15.2 (not clear if this is
>> cents/gallon or percentage of cost). On top of that are sales
>> taxes which run as high as 9.75& on top of (presumably) all the
>> other taxes.
> Thanks, then I think it is more than most other states.
> It may have a lot to do with the long distances there, a lot of roads
> to keep up.
They aren't doing that. Some/most of the gas tax money goes into the
general fund. It used to ALL go to road maintenance until the fools
voted to put some of it into the general fund AND THEN a few years later
voted to add a new tax for "transit", which includes public transit,
possibly to the exclusion of roads if the bastards have their way.
>> Remember, part of the real cost is the tax on gasoline/diesel that
>> the truckers who haul the stuff pay.
> Big truck do more damage to the roads than cars and lighter
> vehicles.
NONE of it is getting fixed and, as you noted, we have the highest gas
taxes in the country, matched only by NY. Are their roads any better?
They don't even replace the burned out lights on the interstate signage
-- too bad if you don't have your brights on so you can read the sign
in time to actually take that off-ramp.
>> I remember reading somewhere that governments make more in taxes on
>> gas and tobacco than the producers do. What's wrong with this
>> picture?
> Compare the taxes to the cost of gasoline delivered in 1970 of 11
> cents per gallon.
> I took the test in California in 1963 to become a closed crankcase
> kit installer, there is a lot spent on different kinds of smog
> abatement, and California led the way on that.
Useful or not. They were going to demand that all dirt roads in the
county be paved until cooler heads prevailed. They may have required
bakeries to install something to keep the smell of baking bread from
escaping. Shitheads.
> There was a few gas wars then, with gasoline selling as low as 19
> cents a gallon.
Historically, at least since I've been using gas and smoking, regular is
generally very close to the price of a pack of cigarettes.
-- Cheers, Bev
"A friend is someone who puts the needs of others above their own.
Find one of those people and take advantage of him." --Rat
>> America is the single largest consumer of oil products, yet our retail
>> prices are very average in the world market, despite excessive federal
>> taxation. Who is gouging whom?
>> Where does all the money go?
>> Based upon a $3.00 gallon of gasoline, the average break-down is as
>> follows.
>> Gasoline Retailer $.01 cents per gallon
>> Oil Company $.08 cents per gallon
>> Refining $.29 cents per gallon
>> Marketing/Distribution $.32 cents per gallon
>> Taxes $.59 cents per gallon
>> Cost of crude $1.71 per gallon (delivered)
>I assume you mean one cent per gallon, eight cents per gallon, >twenty-nine cents per gallon etc.
>> Why is there a wide price variation between locations?
>> Gasoline is used by American retailers as a loss leader product.
>You can buy gas at Costco without ever entering the store. I might do >this if Costco is closer to me.
>> Corporations dont pay taxes!
>> They do collect and remit taxes. But every penny of taxes placed on
>> corporate income is passed on to the consumer in the form of higher
>> retail prices, just like the .59 cents per gallon of federal taxes being
>> collected on behalf of the federal government at the pumps today.
>Exactly.
>> "The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
>> capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
>> It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
>> Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
>> and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
>> such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
>> fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
>> fools that made him their prince".
>What he said.
--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince".
>>On 5/20/2012 5:10 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 05/20/2012 01:43 PM, emoneyjoe wrote:
>>>> You have a sick idea about what socialism is,
>>>> gasoline prices are more dependent on where
>>>> it has to be transported to, have you looked at
>>>> the production, refining and consumption for
>>>> California? I haven't, but it would show if it
>>>> is taxes or availability that makes prices higher.
>>> We pay 35.3 cents/gallon and 15.2 (not clear if this is cents/gallon or
>>> percentage of cost). On top of that are sales taxes which run as high as
>>> 9.75& on top of (presumably) all the other taxes.
>>> Remember, part of the real cost is the tax on gasoline/diesel that the
>>> truckers who haul the stuff pay.
>>> I remember reading somewhere that governments make more in taxes on gas
>>> and tobacco than the producers do. What's wrong with this picture?
>>The gas station/C-store owners make little to no profit on selling >>gasoline and diesel fuel - that is just a way to get you inside the >>store to buy something else.
>>On the other hand, the large oil companies have made the largest profits >>ever in recent years.
>Ayup..they sure did. But it was because they sold more gas than in
>recent years.
>That .08-.15 cents a gallon profit really starts to add up when they
>sell billions and billions of gallons of fuel
And the significance of which the Democrats seem incapable of
grasping, is that the Oil companies have also paid record setting ;
taxes in recent years.
Reminds me of the story of the man, just starting out in business,
who on advice of his spiritual director, tithe ten percent every week.
At first it wasn't much, a couple bucks. But eventually, he's writing
a check for 500 bucks every week. This start to seem like a lot of
money. SO he goes to his gurus and says "This is a lot of money,
maybe I should give less." And his guru say "No need my son, I can
pray that your business goes back down to were you'll only have to
give fifty bucks a week."
--
pyotr filipivich
Old farts these days - not like when I was a boy! We used to have us Real Geezers in those days! Now, they'll let anybody with a little gray hair be an old fart!
> On Sun, 20 May 2012 18:30:41 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>> On 5/20/2012 6:15 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> I carry about 800 lbs of tools and materials in my truck each and every
>>> day. I dont think a scooter is in my agenda for work/play. And it
>>> doesnt pull one of the sail boats nor the work/fun trailers
>> Yeah, but what about all the people who use a 1.5 to 4-ton vehicle to
>> carry nothing but themselves?
> Let them. Its their money.
But they should not whine about fuel costs, when they voluntarily use such excess.
I get around just fine on a 1/8-ton motor vehicle.
-- Tēm ShermĒn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!
> In article<jpbt3i$ak...@dont-email.me>,
> "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>> On 5/20/2012 4:55 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
>>> In article<jpbnsb$fa...@dont-email.me>,
>>> "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>>> On 5/20/2012 3:43 PM, emoneyjoe wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 20 May 2012 11:41:53 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
>>>>> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/14/2012 12:53 PM, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>> The California average was $4.23 a gallon Thursday, up more than a dime
>>>>>>> from the end of April. San Jose-area motorists were paying $4.23, San
>>>>>>> Francisco $4.30 and those around Oakland $4.22.
>>>>>>> Nationally, drivers are paying $3.74 a gallon, down 6 cents from last
>>>>>>> week.[...]
>>>>>> Wah, wah, wah. Gasoline needs to be at about $12/gallon to pay for all
>>>>>> the externalities.
>>>>>> Quit whining about being able to buy heavily subsidized fuel, while
>>>>>> driving on heavily subsidized roads, and parking in heavily subsidized
>>>>>> lots.
>>>>>> For all the anti-socialist rhetoric, you people sure want a lot of
>>>>>> government handouts.
>>>>> You have a sick idea about what socialism is,
>>>>> gasoline prices are more dependent on where
>>>>> it has to be transported to, have you looked at
>>>>> the production, refining and consumption for
>>>>> California? I haven't, but it would show if it
>>>>> is taxes or availability that makes prices higher.
>>>> Do you realize the US has over 700 foreign military bases, almost all in
>>>> regions that are major sources of hydrocarbon extraction?
>>>> The northern Europeans pay the equivalent of $8 to $12 per gallon, yet
>>>> they have a better quality of life than USians.
>>> Please define "better quality of life."
>> That is obvious.
>>> I happen to think that my quality of life is far better than that of
>>> Europeans -- and I have a number of European friends who would agree
>>> with me. They spend as much time here in the Us as they can.
>> All my European relatives that moved here ended up moving back, and were
>> glad of it.
> Then I suggest that you do the same and report back in a year or so.
Don't be stupid. USians are not just allowed to move to Europe.
-- Tēm ShermĒn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!
>>>> I carry about 800 lbs of tools and materials in my truck each and every
>>>> day. I dont think a scooter is in my agenda for work/play. And it
>>>> doesnt pull one of the sail boats nor the work/fun trailers
>>> Yeah, but what about all the people who use a 1.5 to 4-ton vehicle to
>>> carry nothing but themselves?
>> Let them. Its their money.
>But they should not whine about fuel costs, when they voluntarily use >such excess.
To them, its not excess. You may see a single person in that vehicle as
it passes you on the road, but they may be going to pick up their kids
from soccer practice and will fill the vehicle with them.
Or have a bunch of dogs, go camping often etc etc etc.
When fuel costs are up 400% in only a couple years...yes..folks will
bitch..and with good reason.
>I get around just fine on a 1/8-ton motor vehicle.
Good for you. Now how about picking up a sofa for me at the Goodwill?
Gunner
--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince".
> On 5/20/2012 10:36 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 May 2012 18:30:41 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
>> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>> On 5/20/2012 6:15 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>> I carry about 800 lbs of tools and materials in my truck each and every
>>>> day. I dont think a scooter is in my agenda for work/play. And it
>>>> doesnt pull one of the sail boats nor the work/fun trailers
>>> Yeah, but what about all the people who use a 1.5 to 4-ton vehicle to
>>> carry nothing but themselves?
>> Let them. Its their money.
> But they should not whine about fuel costs, when they voluntarily use
> such excess.
> I get around just fine on a 1/8-ton motor vehicle.
Good for you. You don't have to dismount far to grovel before Obama. Don't forget to applaud Obama. After allowing gas to increase from $1.80 per gallon to more than $4 per gallon in three years, the price is down to $ 3.70 a gallon, a 30 cent cut. What a financial genius we got from Kenya. I am sure to vote for him now. There aren't any jobs,so what else is there to do.
> On 5/21/2012 12:02 AM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
>> In article<jpbt3i$ak...@dont-email.me>,
>> "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>> On 5/20/2012 4:55 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
>>>> In article<jpbnsb$fa...@dont-email.me>,
>>>> "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>>>> On 5/20/2012 3:43 PM, emoneyjoe wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 20 May 2012 11:41:53 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
>>>>>> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/14/2012 12:53 PM, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>> The California average was $4.23 a gallon Thursday, up more than
>>>>>>>> a dime
>>>>>>>> from the end of April. San Jose-area motorists were paying
>>>>>>>> $4.23, San
>>>>>>>> Francisco $4.30 and those around Oakland $4.22.
>>>>>>>> Nationally, drivers are paying $3.74 a gallon, down 6 cents from
>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>> week.[...]
>>>>>>> Wah, wah, wah. Gasoline needs to be at about $12/gallon to pay
>>>>>>> for all
>>>>>>> the externalities.
>>>>>>> Quit whining about being able to buy heavily subsidized fuel, while
>>>>>>> driving on heavily subsidized roads, and parking in heavily
>>>>>>> subsidized
>>>>>>> lots.
>>>>>>> For all the anti-socialist rhetoric, you people sure want a lot of
>>>>>>> government handouts.
>>>>>> You have a sick idea about what socialism is,
>>>>>> gasoline prices are more dependent on where
>>>>>> it has to be transported to, have you looked at
>>>>>> the production, refining and consumption for
>>>>>> California? I haven't, but it would show if it
>>>>>> is taxes or availability that makes prices higher.
>>>>> Do you realize the US has over 700 foreign military bases, almost
>>>>> all in
>>>>> regions that are major sources of hydrocarbon extraction?
>>>>> The northern Europeans pay the equivalent of $8 to $12 per gallon, yet
>>>>> they have a better quality of life than USians.
>>>> Please define "better quality of life."
>>> That is obvious.
>>>> I happen to think that my quality of life is far better than that of
>>>> Europeans -- and I have a number of European friends who would agree
>>>> with me. They spend as much time here in the Us as they can.
>>> All my European relatives that moved here ended up moving back, and were
>>> glad of it.
>> Then I suggest that you do the same and report back in a year or so.
> Don't be stupid. USians are not just allowed to move to Europe.
Glad we are rid of the parasitic relatives though. We have enough deadbeats to feed now.
>>>> You have a sick idea about what socialism is, gasoline prices are
>>>> more dependent on where it has to be transported to, have you
>>>> looked at the production, refining and consumption for
>>>> California? I haven't, but it would show if it is taxes or
>>>> availability that makes prices higher.
>>> We pay 35.3 cents/gallon and 15.2 (not clear if this is
>>> cents/gallon or percentage of cost). On top of that are sales
>>> taxes which run as high as 9.75& on top of (presumably) all the
>>> other taxes.
>> Thanks, then I think it is more than most other states.
>> It may have a lot to do with the long distances there, a lot of roads
>> to keep up.
> They aren't doing that. Some/most of the gas tax money goes into the
> general fund. It used to ALL go to road maintenance until the fools
> voted to put some of it into the general fund AND THEN a few years later
> voted to add a new tax for "transit", which includes public transit,
> possibly to the exclusion of roads if the bastards have their way.
>>> Remember, part of the real cost is the tax on gasoline/diesel that
>>> the truckers who haul the stuff pay.
>> Big truck do more damage to the roads than cars and lighter
>> vehicles.
> NONE of it is getting fixed and, as you noted, we have the highest gas
> taxes in the country, matched only by NY. Are their roads any better?
> They don't even replace the burned out lights on the interstate signage
> -- too bad if you don't have your brights on so you can read the sign
> in time to actually take that off-ramp.
>>> I remember reading somewhere that governments make more in taxes on
>>> gas and tobacco than the producers do. What's wrong with this
>>> picture?
>> Compare the taxes to the cost of gasoline delivered in 1970 of 11
>> cents per gallon.
>> I took the test in California in 1963 to become a closed crankcase
>> kit installer, there is a lot spent on different kinds of smog
>> abatement, and California led the way on that.
> Useful or not. They were going to demand that all dirt roads in the
> county be paved until cooler heads prevailed. They may have required
> bakeries to install something to keep the smell of baking bread from
> escaping. Shitheads.
>> There was a few gas wars then, with gasoline selling as low as 19
>> cents a gallon.
> Historically, at least since I've been using gas and smoking, regular is
> generally very close to the price of a pack of cigarettes.
> On 05/21/2012 07:07 PM, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
>> On 5/20/2012 10:36 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Sun, 20 May 2012 18:30:41 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
>>> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>>> On 5/20/2012 6:15 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>> I carry about 800 lbs of tools and materials in my truck each and
>>>>> every
>>>>> day. I dont think a scooter is in my agenda for work/play. And it
>>>>> doesnt pull one of the sail boats nor the work/fun trailers
>>>> Yeah, but what about all the people who use a 1.5 to 4-ton vehicle to
>>>> carry nothing but themselves?
>>> Let them. Its their money.
>> But they should not whine about fuel costs, when they voluntarily use
>> such excess.
>> I get around just fine on a 1/8-ton motor vehicle.
> Good for you. You don't have to dismount far to grovel before Obama.
> Don't forget to applaud Obama. After allowing gas to increase from $1.80
> per gallon to more than $4 per gallon in three years, the price is down
> to $ 3.70 a gallon, a 30 cent cut. What a financial genius we got from
> Kenya. I am sure to vote for him now. There aren't any jobs,so what else
> is there to do.
If you think who is president makes any real difference in this case, you are an idiot.
-- Tēm ShermĒn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!
> On Mon, 21 May 2012 21:07:38 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>> On 5/20/2012 10:36 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Sun, 20 May 2012 18:30:41 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
>>> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>>> On 5/20/2012 6:15 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>> I carry about 800 lbs of tools and materials in my truck each and every
>>>>> day. I dont think a scooter is in my agenda for work/play. And it
>>>>> doesnt pull one of the sail boats nor the work/fun trailers
>>>> Yeah, but what about all the people who use a 1.5 to 4-ton vehicle to
>>>> carry nothing but themselves?
>>> Let them. Its their money.
>> But they should not whine about fuel costs, when they voluntarily use
>> such excess.
> To them, its not excess. You may see a single person in that vehicle as
> it passes you on the road, but they may be going to pick up their kids
> from soccer practice and will fill the vehicle with them.
> Or have a bunch of dogs, go camping often etc etc etc.
Get a scooter and leave the truck parked when not hauling a bunch of crap. Let the kids ride bicycles to soccer practice - when I was a child, if I wanted to go someplace, I walked or rode a bicycle 99% of the time.
> When fuel costs are up 400% in only a couple years...yes..folks will
> bitch..and with good reason.
>> I get around just fine on a 1/8-ton motor vehicle.
> Good for you. Now how about picking up a sofa for me at the Goodwill?
Sure, if you pay me for time and mileage, I will take my 10-year old Nissan Frontier to do it. Of course, the Frontier only gets used for work when I am compensated for driving it, or for the occasional times I need to haul or carry something big. But I do not use it as an everyday commuter to haul just myself on a regular basis.
Of course, if I feel like low 11-second quarter-mile performance and 1.1 G cornering grip, I can ride my 40-45 mpg CBR600F4i to work, and throw in a few wheelies and stoppies for fun. And the engine sounds really cool between 9,000 and 14,200 rpm. :)
-- Tēm ShermĒn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!
> On 05/21/2012 07:08 PM, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
>> On 5/21/2012 12:02 AM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
>>> In article<jpbt3i$ak...@dont-email.me>,
>>> "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>>> On 5/20/2012 4:55 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
>>>>> In article<jpbnsb$fa...@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/20/2012 3:43 PM, emoneyjoe wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 May 2012 11:41:53 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
>>>>>>> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/14/2012 12:53 PM, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>> The California average was $4.23 a gallon Thursday, up more than
>>>>>>>>> a dime
>>>>>>>>> from the end of April. San Jose-area motorists were paying
>>>>>>>>> $4.23, San
>>>>>>>>> Francisco $4.30 and those around Oakland $4.22.
>>>>>>>>> Nationally, drivers are paying $3.74 a gallon, down 6 cents from
>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>> week.[...]
>>>>>>>> Wah, wah, wah. Gasoline needs to be at about $12/gallon to pay
>>>>>>>> for all
>>>>>>>> the externalities.
>>>>>>>> Quit whining about being able to buy heavily subsidized fuel, while
>>>>>>>> driving on heavily subsidized roads, and parking in heavily
>>>>>>>> subsidized
>>>>>>>> lots.
>>>>>>>> For all the anti-socialist rhetoric, you people sure want a lot of
>>>>>>>> government handouts.
>>>>>>> You have a sick idea about what socialism is,
>>>>>>> gasoline prices are more dependent on where
>>>>>>> it has to be transported to, have you looked at
>>>>>>> the production, refining and consumption for
>>>>>>> California? I haven't, but it would show if it
>>>>>>> is taxes or availability that makes prices higher.
>>>>>> Do you realize the US has over 700 foreign military bases, almost
>>>>>> all in
>>>>>> regions that are major sources of hydrocarbon extraction?
>>>>>> The northern Europeans pay the equivalent of $8 to $12 per gallon,
>>>>>> yet
>>>>>> they have a better quality of life than USians.
>>>>> Please define "better quality of life."
>>>> That is obvious.
>>>>> I happen to think that my quality of life is far better than that of
>>>>> Europeans -- and I have a number of European friends who would agree
>>>>> with me. They spend as much time here in the Us as they can.
>>>> All my European relatives that moved here ended up moving back, and
>>>> were
>>>> glad of it.
>>> Then I suggest that you do the same and report back in a year or so.
>> Don't be stupid. USians are not just allowed to move to Europe.
> Glad we are rid of the parasitic relatives though. We have enough
> deadbeats to feed now.
Actually, they were employed in professional positions. But be happy in your cheer-leading ignorance.
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On 5/22/2012 8:58 PM, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
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>>> I get around just fine on a 1/8-ton motor vehicle.
>> Good for you. You don't have to dismount far to grovel before Obama.
>> Don't forget to applaud Obama. After allowing gas to increase from $1.80
>> per gallon to more than $4 per gallon in three years, the price is down
>> to $ 3.70 a gallon, a 30 cent cut. What a financial genius we got from
>> Kenya. I am sure to vote for him now. There aren't any jobs,so what else
>> is there to do.
Gas prices peaked at $4.12 in July of the last year of the Bush administration, an accomplishment Obama is yet to rival. The Bush economic collapse caused a very brief but sharp decline in prices, causing retail prices to temporarily reach the unprecedented low claimed above.
Average gas prices, by Presidential administration, adjusted to constant dollars as of March, 2012, using Energy Department figures:
George W. Bush: $4.27
Barack Obama: $3.97
Ronald W. Reagan: $3.65
Jimmy Carter: $3.57
George H.W. Bush: $2.30
George J. Clinton: $2.19
> If you think who is president makes any real difference in this case,
> you are an idiot.
