what are some classic movies that can be united past genre boundaries by the fact that they are so well done and profound that they make you think about various things after viewing.
some that i can think of off the top of my head are jacob's ladder, pi, 2001, etc... please gimme some. in fact, if you feel like it, list your top 10 favorites :)
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"Mindwalk" The whole purpose of this movie is to make you think. Check it out if you haven't seen it.
the_siamese_testicle wrote: > what are some classic movies that can be united past genre > boundaries by the fact that they are so well done and profound that they > make you think about various things after viewing.
> some that i can think of off the top of my head are jacob's > ladder, pi, 2001, etc... please gimme some. in fact, if you feel like it, > list your top 10 favorites :)
In article <37e0d87f.70723...@news2.usenetserver.com>, nim...@go-c.com
(Nimrod``) wrote: > THE DEAD
A valiant, well-done effort on the part of Huston, but not all that successful in the end. I'm not usually one to go on about how "the book is always better than the movie" - or, in this case, the short story - but in this case, the short story is so superior so as to make the movie almost superfluous. "Mother Night Syndrome," if you will.
If you absolutely *must* see it, read the story first, but also keep an eye out for the documentary "The Making of the Dead" - trust me, you'll gain a greater appreciation of it if you see both.
Wiseblood, on the other hand, is fantastic. Further, I'll add Solaris and Naked Lunch to the pot. (And no, I don't think I'm being hypocritical by mentioning Naked Lunch...)
<jgri...@helios.acomp.usf.edu> wrote: > what are some classic movies that can be united past genre >boundaries by the fact that they are so well done and profound that they >make you think about various things after viewing.
> some that i can think of off the top of my head are jacob's >ladder, pi, 2001, etc... please gimme some. in fact, if you feel like it, >list your top 10 favorites :)
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> > >> some that i can think of off the top of my head are jacob's > > >> ladder, pi, 2001, etc... please gimme some. in fact, if you feel like > it, > > >> list your top 10 favorites :) > Jacob's Ladder, a well done and thought-provoking movie? Well, never heard > that before.!
> If u want thought-provoking go see Tarkovski's movies. > But not for me anyway, apart from Stalker it all seems very "Cannes" > oriented.
i actually consider jacob's ladder one of my favorite movies. i think it is very well done, and thought provoking. and the camera work is really nice. i wrote a shot by shot analysis of the episode where jacob is on the subway, and there is really a lot going on with the camera that conveys a lot of the themes.
thats just my opinion though. i do know i enjoy it immensely, and consider it a definate "thought provoker" <shrug>
> > >
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> I agree with the previous post who listed "Un Chien >Andalou".
In the seventies I took a film class in college, this was one of the films we saw and the images have stayed with me. I was very discouraged when some younger friends took a film class recently (again, college) and I heard the movies they saw. Only one silent and no foreign films, mostly pop stuff they would have seen anyways..... So much for education expanding your horizons.
>"Mindwalk" The whole purpose of this movie is to make you think. Check it >out if you haven't seen it.
>the_siamese_testicle wrote:
>> what are some classic movies that can be united past genre >> boundaries by the fact that they are so well done and profound that they >> make you think about various things after viewing.
>> some that i can think of off the top of my head are jacob's >> ladder, pi, 2001, etc... please gimme some. in fact, if you feel like it, >> list your top 10 favorites :)
> >> what are some classic movies that can be united past genre > >> boundaries by the fact that they are so well done and profound that they > >> make you think about various things after viewing.
> >> some that i can think of off the top of my head are jacob's > >> ladder, pi, 2001, etc... please gimme some. in fact, if you feel like it, > >> list your top 10 favorites :)
Jacob's Ladder, a well done and thought-provoking movie? Well, never heard that before.!
If u want thought-provoking go see Tarkovski's movies. But not for me anyway, apart from Stalker it all seems very "Cannes" oriented.
> > Jacob's Ladder, a well done and thought-provoking movie? Well, never heard > > that before.!
> > If u want thought-provoking go see Tarkovski's movies. > > But not for me anyway, apart from Stalker it all seems very "Cannes" > > oriented.
> i actually consider jacob's ladder one of my favorite movies. i think it > is very well done, and thought provoking. and the camera work is really > nice. i wrote a shot by shot analysis of the episode where jacob is on the > subway, and there is really a lot going on with the camera that conveys a > lot of the themes.
> thats just my opinion though. i do know i enjoy it immensely, and consider > it a definate "thought provoker" <shrug>
Well, but it's also gratuitous and tasteless. And I really can't stand the way Adrian Lyne films as if he was always doing TV commercials. Besides, there's too many plot holes. But that's just my opinion, I got several friends who love the movie.
Mindwalk My Dinner With Andre Swimming to Cambodia Koyoniskazzi ( or however the hell you spell it ) Kirosawa's "Dreams" ( I think it's called ) a series of short film's based on dreams or nightmares he had. Thx-1138 Eraserhead
" Fiery the angels fell, Deep thunder rolled around their shores, Burning with the fires of orc."
> Wiseblood, on the other hand, is fantastic. Further, I'll add Solaris and > Naked Lunch to the pot. (And no, I don't think I'm being hypocritical by > mentioning Naked Lunch...)
I just saw Naked Lunch not too long ago and I didn't get it at all. Could someone explain it to me, especially the ending where he's supposed to "write" something?
> what are some classic movies that can be united past genre >boundaries by the fact that they are so well done and profound that they >make you think about various things after viewing.
I think almost any interesting movie can be a "thinking movie", even a "minor" crime film or a screwball comedy. It depends on how it hits you. But I think I know what you're talking about.
Here's my fractured, improvised Top 10 (in no order):
1. 8 1/2 2. Dawn of the Dead 3. Orpheus 4. Cries and Whispers 5. Peter Ibbetson 6. Pandora's Box 7. Metropolis 8. Aguirre, the Wrath of God 9. The Searchers 10. Pierrot Le Fou
> I just saw Naked Lunch not too long ago and I didn't get it at all. Could > someone explain it to me, especially the ending where he's supposed to > "write" something?
I'm paraphrasing someone elses post from long ago:
Bill Lee is living in denial that he is a writer, that he murdered his wife, that he is a homosexual, that he is a drug addict.
He doesn't write - he writes "reports" for Interzone corporation. He isn't a homosexual, he sucks hallucinogenic fluids from the probosci of mugwumps. He isn't a drug addict, it's only bug powder and centipede/mugwump extracts.
In the final scene he is leaving interzone, coming to terms with all of this by "writing" about how he actually killed his wife.
There's more to it than that of course. It ties in a little with the book and a little more with real events in Burroughs' life.
I want this on DVD dammit!
-- Don't knock on Death's door. Ring the bell and run away. He hates that.
In article <37e56f73.109373...@news2.usenetserver.com>, nim...@go-c.com
(Nimrod``) wrote: > As far as I'm concerned, John Huston's film of THE DEAD is a wealth of > joyful lacework, resolving upon one of the most moving and profound > ruminations of love and the human condition in all of fiction---which > does great justice to the tale as Joyce rendered it.
It's a re-enactment of the story onto film. It loses Joyce's command of the language to merely very good acting and cinematography. What does it add? The story communicates *so* much more on paper than it did on film that Huston's version is more a sweet treat for those who've read the story than a true "thinking movie" - a term I feel implies that the *movie itself* is engendering said thinking.
While "The Dead" is an intelligent adaptation of one of the best short stories in the English language, if one is pursuing a *movie* which inspires deep thought and reflection, one might as well recommend the best. Seeing the movie before reading the story would be injurious to an appreciation of the original, IMHO - you'd come into it loaded down with pre-formed images and a critical gloss already provided by Mr. Huston.
I never said it was a *bad* movie; it's just that it doesn't add much, the story should be read first and the documentary is a lovely addition.
> > Wiseblood, on the other hand, is fantastic. Further, I'll add Solaris and > > Naked Lunch to the pot. (And no, I don't think I'm being hypocritical by > > mentioning Naked Lunch...)
> I just saw Naked Lunch not too long ago and I didn't get it at all. Could > someone explain it to me, especially the ending where he's supposed to > "write" something?
It's not supposed to make any particular sense. It's the possible adaptation of Burrough's "random writing" to a film script. It mixes the story (well, some episodes, it's hard to call it a story) of the book with Burrough's real life.
>> what are some classic movies that can be united past genre >>boundaries by the fact that they are so well done and profound that they >>make you think about various things after viewing.
>I think almost any interesting movie can be a "thinking movie", even a "minor" >crime film or a screwball comedy. It depends on how it hits you. But I think >I know what you're talking about.
You have an excellent point there. Personal experience as well as transient mood affect all our appreciations of artworks be they films or otherwise. A film usually has to be pretty damn bad to be TOTALLY devoid of merit, and even the most horrible cliche is news to somebody. I'll add the following "thoughtful" films to those already mentioned (I know they're all pretty recent, but hey):
Taxi Driver floundering Jesu de Montreal schizopolis The Last Temptation of Christ Manhattan
On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:36:22 -0400, the_siamese_testicle <jgri...@helios.acomp.usf.edu> said:
> what are some classic movies that can be united past genre >boundaries by the fact that they are so well done and profound that they >make you think about various things after viewing.
> some that i can think of off the top of my head are jacob's >ladder, pi, 2001, etc...
BEGOTTEN
haha, but seriously, i think some of these were already mentioned: The Last Temptation Of Christ Kurosawa's Dreams (especially the funeral dream) An Occurance at Owl Creek Bridge Threads (not AS thought provoking in this post cold war era, but still worth a view) Shiro Toyoda's Portrait Of Hell (or is it Toyoda Shiro?) Pink Floyd's The Wall (is there anything more introspective?)
or you could turn off the TV and pick up Dr. Leary's final book, "Design For Dying."
i know there's more but it's early "and i'm spent."
the_siamese_testicle <jgri...@helios.acomp.usf.edu> wrote: > what are some classic movies that can be united past genre > boundaries by the fact that they are so well done and profound that they > make you think about various things after viewing.
> some that i can think of off the top of my head are jacob's > ladder, pi, 2001, etc... please gimme some. in fact, if you feel like it, > list your top 10 favorites :)
Death and the Maiden is the first one to come to mind.
I love movies that make me think. Even the recent "6th Sense" had me talking and thinking for hours afterwords; likewise with "The Blair Witch Project." Other thought-provoking movies for me: "Brazil," "Hilary & Jackie," "Dark City," "Twelve Monkeys," "Antz" (from a communism perspective), "Red," "Before Sunrise," "Gattaca" and "The Truman Show."
NAKED MY DINNER WITH ANDRE BARTON FINK DO THE RIGHT THING SMOKE THE SEVENTH SEAL 2001 THIRTY-TWO SHORT FILMS ABOUT GLEN GOULD THE THIN BLUE LINE CRUMB ROGER AND ME MASCULIN/FEMININ THE ELEPHANT MAN any film by Andrei Tarkovsky certain films by Oliver Stone
or :
ERASERHEAD UN CHIEN ANDALOU THE SILENCE PERSONA most any film by Greenaway (A ZED AND TWO NOUGHTS, in particular) POISON LOST HIGHWAY THE LAST OF ENGLAND
these lists can go on and on and on... any good film should make one think to some extent on some plain...
