Anyone for Bunuel?
RWe...@scjob.sces.org
Often imitated, never duplicated, Luis Bunuel was the father of film
surrealism (if you exclude Dulac) and remains today a leading figure of
influence. I don't think Lynch, Greenaway, Kubrick or Almodovar would be
possible without him. Anyone agree, disgree, wanna rumble on matters
Bunuelian? RW
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Jay Bliznick
RWe...@scjob.sces.org wrote:
>
> Often imitated, never duplicated, Luis Bunuel was the father of film
> surrealism (if you exclude Dulac) and remains today a leading figure of
> influence. I don't think Lynch, Greenaway, Kubrick or Almodovar would be
> possible without him. Anyone agree, disgree, wanna rumble on matters
> Bunuelian? RW
>
and I were coming back from seeing a pretty bad print of Jules and Jim
when discussion turned to Bunuel.
I find that as I am getting older I am starting to fall in love with
surrealist cinema. I watched Eraserhead again (off of laser disc) then
popped in Simon of the Desert. I found that as much as I like Lynch,
there is something about Bunuel's subtelty in his images that makes it
such a treat to watch.
Try finding the work of Jun Kurasawa from Japan. I think he is one of
the up and commers in surrealist cinema.
RWe...@scjob.sces.org
It is this "sublety of images" that, I think, makes Bunuel one of the
world's true greats. I think he is film's answer to Chekhov -- there is
nothing fancy about him: no wild tracking shots or goofy angles (although
he does warp the frame on occasion). It is his unique ability to make
complex films in a simple style -- oddly, this is one area in which he
appears to have had little influence among his predecessors.
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On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Jay Bliznick wrote:
RWe...@scjob.sces.org wrote:
> Often imitated, never duplicated, Luis Bunuel was the father of film
> surrealism (if you exclude Dulac) and remains today a leading figure of
> influence. I don't think Lynch, Greenaway, Kubrick or Almodovar would be
> possible without him. Anyone agree, disgree, wanna rumble on matters
> Bunuelian? RW
>
Bunuel is the best, the king, the genius. I coldnt live without
Bunuel and Almodovar's cinema. But i dont see the relation between
Kubrick, Lynch and the king of surrealism. His better films:
'Viridiana'
'El angel exterminador'
Laura P.
Gus
You don't see a connection between LYNCH and BUNNUEL? Lynch is a
surrealist director as well. Sure, maybe a little heavy handed but still
a surealist director. There were moments in Twin Peaks that could have
been in Discreat Charm...
Gus
RWe...@scjob.sces.org
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.970306100205.14551A-100000@turing>,
RAMIREZ MARTINEZ FERNANDO <x4640260@turing> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Jay Bliznick wrote:
> RWe...@scjob.sces.org wrote:
>
> > Often imitated, never duplicated, Luis Bunuel was the father of film
> > surrealism (if you exclude Dulac) and remains today a leading figure of
> > influence. I don't think Lynch, Greenaway, Kubrick or Almodovar would be
> > possible without him. Anyone agree, disgree, wanna rumble on matters
> > Bunuelian? RW
> >
>
> Bunuel is the best, the king, the genius. I coldnt live without
> Bunuel and Almodovar's cinema. But i dont see the relation between
> Kubrick, Lynch and the king of surrealism. His better films:
> 'Viridiana'
> 'El angel exterminador'
>
> Laura P.
For me the relation is reasonably clear -- I think there's a certain
remoteness in Kubrick's cinema, a certain detachment, that seems to me to
have originated with Bunuel, s well as a decided interest in cruelty. I
think Blue Velvet, with its concentration on dreams, was similarly
influenced -- and I think Bunuel would have admired Lost Highway. Another
I should have mentioned, but didn't, is Polanski -- especially the use of
non-synchronous sound in Rosemary's Baby, a technique Bunuel originated
with L'Age d'Or in 1930.RW
Gus
Dale Cooper wrote:
>
> Gus <G...@iceman.comith> wrote:
>
> >RAMIREZ MARTINEZ FERNANDO wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Jay Bliznick wrote:
> >> RWe...@scjob.sces.org wrote:
> >>
> >> > Often imitated, never duplicated, Luis Bunuel was the father of film
> >> > surrealism (if you exclude Dulac) and remains today a leading figure of
> >> > influence. I don't think Lynch, Greenaway, Kubrick or Almodovar would be
> >> > possible without him. Anyone agree, disgree, wanna rumble on matters
> >> > Bunuelian? RW
> >> >
> >>
> >> Bunuel is the best, the king, the genius. I coldnt live without
> >> Bunuel and Almodovar's cinema. But i dont see the relation between
> >> Kubrick, Lynch and the king of surrealism. His better films:
> >> 'Viridiana'
> >> 'El angel exterminador'
> >>
> >> Laura P.
>
> >surrealist director as well. Sure, maybe a little heavy handed but still
> >a surealist director. There were moments in Twin Peaks that could have
> >been in Discreat Charm...
>
> >Gus
>
> think Lynch was influenced by Bunuel.
Did I SAAAAAAAY that Lynch was influenced by Bunnuel? No I didn't. And
how the hell do you know if Lynch was influenced by Bunnuel or not? Are
YOU David Lynch? If not then shut-up.
Gus
TTrocc7007
Hey,
I have to recommend his autobiography, "My Last Sigh", which reads the
way his film is viewed! An amazing artist!
Tom
Troc-Troc-Tra-La-Tra-La
Todd
In article <5fr12j$3...@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net>, Gus <"Gus"@glug -glug.net> thus spake:
>Did I SAAAAAAAY that Lynch was influenced by Bunnuel? No I didn't. And
>how the hell do you know if Lynch was influenced by Bunnuel or not? Are
>YOU David Lynch? If not then shut-up.
>
>Gus
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Todd
Todd
In article <8575891...@dejanews.com>, RWe...@scjob.sces.org thus spake:
>Often imitated, never duplicated, Luis Bunuel was the father of film
>surrealism (if you exclude Dulac) and remains today a leading figure of
>influence. I don't think Lynch, Greenaway, Kubrick or Almodovar would be
>possible without him. Anyone agree, disgree, wanna rumble on matters
>Bunuelian? RW
>
Doesn't look like you're gonna get much of an argument here, does it?
Bunuel's the man! Of course, so is Greenaway and so is Kubrick. ;-)
BTW, anyone ever catch the short film that Greenaway did for the BBC called
"26 Bathrooms"? It's truly brilliant! TV at its finest! Hard to find, but
if you see it on the shelf, don't miss it.
Todd
RAMIREZ MARTINEZ FERNANDO
=09Bu~=F1uelis the genius. Lynch is a shet, the worst director.
=09Whats the relation that join them?
=09=09=09Laura P.
Jay Bliznick or Paul Kobelja
RAMIREZ MARTINEZ FERNANDO wrote:
>
> Bu~ñuelis the genius. Lynch is a shet, the worst director.
> Whats the relation that join them?
>
I am not a huge Lynch fan so I feel strange defending him but "Lynch is
a shet" and "the worst director" gives me nothing to go on. Why? Because
you say so? I hope you can do better than that.
If you don't like Lynch then tell us why. I think he has moments of
brilliance and has taken surrealist filmmaking far.
The "relation" you ask for is simply that they are both surrealists.
there is little of it going around these days in cinema so we take it
where we can get it.
So enlighten us on why Lynch is undeserving of conversation.
Jay
RWe...@scjob.sces.org
In article <3321b...@130.166.1.8>,
I'm kind of ambivalent on PG. I hated The Cook, the Thief -- I thought it
amounted to a lot of pretentious shit, using violent means to make some
pretty obvious points. And I didn't think a whole lot of A ZED AND TWO
NOUGHTS. But I liked Prospero's Books. Quite interesting. Shakespeare
meets Satyricon. Lots of tits, little eroticism, but John Gielgud's voice
and Greenaway's overall vision made it work. RW
TTrocc7007
Without getting into a huge war here, one poster referred to Lynch as
shit, and someone else challenged that poster to define why he thought
Lynch was shit.
I'll try that one real quick if I may.
Bunuel was incredibly human, warm, and his film is as heartfelt as
any. See Los Olvidados for a really fine example.
Bunuel also had a sense of humor, that allowed him to poke fun at ALL
targets, including his own work.
Lynch is very cold (compared to a 'hot' Bunuel), with no sense of
humor. Lynch may be better suited to this era to a point, but Bunuel for
me is timeless.
Un Chien Andalou, Mexican Busride, you name it, none of his work is
dated, and never will be.
I really don't think there'll be too much discussion of Dennis Hopper
beating the shit out of women while huffing weird substances, or the
meaning of any particular set-up in Flash Gordon some 50 years down the
line.
Surrealism from Lynch? More like exploitation.
Hey, may I also recommend "My Last Sigh", Bunuel's autobiography. I
don't know if it's still in print, but it is an amazing read! Chock-full
of the same wonderful weirdness that make his film so wonderfull so many
years later.
Tom Troccoli
PS No flame is intended here. I HATE flame wars. All of this is simply a
matter of taste. Okay?
Troc-Troc-Tra-La-Tra-La
Geir Friestad
TTrocc7007 <ttroc...@aol.com> wrote:
| Lynch is very cold (compared to a 'hot' Bunuel), with no
| sense of humor.
I disagree with you on this point. Lynch *does* have a sense of humor,
although humor is certainly not what *dominates* in his movies. There
are moments of hilarity in most of his movies and TV series, though.
The first episode of "On The Air" had me ROTFL. :)
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Todd
In article <8580278...@dejanews.com>, RWe...@scjob.sces.org thus spake:
>I'm kind of ambivalent on PG. I hated The Cook, the Thief -- I thought it
>amounted to a lot of pretentious shit, using violent means to make some
>pretty obvious points. And I didn't think a whole lot of A ZED AND TWO
>NOUGHTS. But I liked Prospero's Books. Quite interesting. Shakespeare
>meets Satyricon. Lots of tits, little eroticism, but John Gielgud's voice
>and Greenaway's overall vision made it work. RW
>
Check out Belly of an Architect and then re-watch The Cook, The Thief... Belly
is by far his most accessible film. It's pure Shakespearean tragedy.
Greenaway's background in art informs his films to the nth degree. If you're
looking for mainstream storytelling, better look somewhere else.
I certainly wouldn't call him pretentious. I'd call him an original who's
true to his own vision.
Todd
Jonathan Dakss
In article <19970311133...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
TTrocc7007 <ttroc...@aol.com> wrote:
> Bunuel also had a sense of humor, that allowed him to poke fun at ALL
>targets, including his own work.
Just wondering if you had a film in mind when you wrote this? I seem to recall
somewhere that "Belle Du Jour" was essentially a self-parody but can not
remember that critic's analysis.
Thanks
Jon Dakss
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Jay Bliznick (Cine...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: I find that as I am getting older I am starting to fall in love with
: surrealist cinema. I watched Eraserhead again (off of laser disc) then
: popped in Simon of the Desert. I found that as much as I like Lynch,
: there is something about Bunuel's subtelty in his images that makes it
: such a treat to watch.
: Try finding the work of Jun Kurasawa from Japan. I think he is one of
: the up and commers in surrealist cinema.
Or indeed Jan Svankmajer - the vast majority of his twenty-nine films
are openly Surrealist (even the ones that predated his joining the
Czech Surrealist Group, of which he's still a card-carrying member),
and there are welcome signs that the films are becoming rather more
accessible (particularly outside Europe -his work is scandalously
little known in the US).
For my money, Svankmajer is the most exciting Surrealist film-maker
since Bunuel died and Walerian Borowczyk got trapped in a porn ghetto
- and his recent work ('Faust' and 'Conspirators of Pleasure') is as
provocative and original as anything he (or indeed anyone) has done
over the past thirty years.
Michael
(who's spent a fair chunk of the last five months working on what will
hopefully be the definitive Svankmajer website - opening soon!)
Michael Brooke
RWe...@scjob.sces.org wrote:
: Often imitated, never duplicated, Luis Bunuel was the father of film
: surrealism (if you exclude Dulac)
I think Germaine Dulac automatically disqualifies herself from any
consideration as "the father of film surrealism"...
In any case, I think Georges Melies beat both Bunuel and Dulac to it
by about thirty years, though of course he wasn't a Surrealist proper.
Then again, neither was Lewis Carroll...
Michael