Child modeling Web sites called 'fix for pedophiles'
Jason Pope
Child modeling Web sites called 'fix for pedophiles'
September 16, 2002
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-model16.html
BY DAVID CRARY
NEW YORK--The photos on the Web sites portray no nudity and no sex, yet
men by the thousands pay to ogle them--shots of preteen girls posing in
bikinis and halter tops.
Defended as free speech by some, such pictures are being blasted as a
''fix for pedophiles'' by a congressman who is waging an uphill campaign
to banish them from the Internet.
The pool of photos is growing ''at an unabated pace,'' said U.S. Rep.
Mark Foley (R-Fla.).
Foley has authored a bill, now before the House Judiciary Committee,
intended to shut down the Web sites by outlawing ''exploitive child
modeling.'' Even he concedes, however, that the measure has potential
loopholes, and anti-censorship groups say it would likely be struck down
as an unconstitutional infringement of free expression.
''It's doomed from the start,'' said Garry Daniels of the National
Coalition Against Censorship.
At Florida-based Webe Web Corp., which runs one of the largest networks
of child-modeling sites, co-founder Marc Greenberg says he can't vouch
for the motives of his customers. But he insists that no child featured
on his sites has suffered any physical harm.
''If I said pedophiles are definitely not looking at these sites, that
would be a crock,'' Greenberg said by phone from his Fort Lauderdale
office. ''But the majority of people looking at them are not bad people.
. . . If it's within the law and people want to do it, more power to
them.''
Greenberg said the girls featured on Webe Web sites wear outfits that
could be bought at a typical mall and seen at a public beach or backyard
picnic. Critics counter the pictures and videos of girls in swimsuits,
leotards and sleepwear are intended to be erotic even while complying
with anti-pornography laws.
Webe Web subscribers, who pay about $20 monthly, are not able to chat
online with the models or e-mail them directly, Greenberg said. Foley
contends some sites do provide direct contacts between customers and
children, and worries that models are at risk of abduction, abuse, or
even murder.
Any such crimes are covered by existing laws, said Kim Hart of the
National Child Abuse Defense and Resource Center in Holland, Ohio.
''This is something best handled case-by-case by child protection
services,'' Hart said. ''If there's something of concern, let
professionals talk to the girl, look at the background.''
Personally, she said, ''as a mother, I may not like it. But the question
is whether it's illegal, whether it's harmful.''
Foley isn't swayed by arguments that any abuse of child models could be
prosecuted under current laws. ''Taking care of the problem after it
occurs--that's when the child is found dead or raped,'' he said. ''My
bill is an attempt to ward off problems before they occur.''
Several modeling sites assert that the parents' share of profits will go
toward their daughters' college tuition. But critics say the parents
deserve as much blame as the entrepreneurs.
''Anyone from pedophiles to rapists can pay the monthly subscription fee
and lust after the little ones,'' said Jan LaRue, chief counsel of
Concerned Women For America. ''Why would parents permit such a thing?''
Foley also believes some parents are blameworthy, and suggests others
mistakenly think the modeling sites represent a legitimate chance to
build a career for their daughters.
Daniels, of the Coalition Against Censorship, agrees that parental
ambition is at play. ''The parents think, 'Maybe my child is the next
Britney Spears,''' he said. ''If it takes putting her on the Internet in
a bikini, so be it.''
There are scores of child-modeling Web sites, though Foley's staff has
been unable to pin down the number or calculate how much money they
make.
Foley's bill would impose prison terms of up to 10 years for exploitive
child modeling, defined as ''marketing the child himself or herself in
lascivious positions and acts, rather than actually marketing
products.''
AP
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Many of these sites are set up and run by the parents of the girls
portrayed, I have one question,...............WHAT ARE THEY THINKING?
Jason
Bart Bailey
> Child modeling Web sites called 'fix for pedophiles'
>
> September 16, 2002
> http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-model16.html
> BY DAVID CRARY
>
>
> Many of these sites are set up and run by the parents of the girls
> portrayed, I have one question,...............WHAT ARE THEY THINKING?
>
> Jason
Probably thinking;
Who cares if strange guys are whacking off to the pics,
better having them relieve the tension that way,
instead of trying to make some physical contact with the girls.
Plus the subscription fees come in handy,
and maybe, just maybe, some agency will call to use my daughter,
and we'll all be living on easy street after that.
I doubt that most parents would think the *website* modeling
as "whoring out their daughters",
even though there are shameful examples of some parents
willing to go any exploit for the money.
--
Bart
Jason Pope
Bart Bailey wrote:
> Jason Pope wrote:
>
> > Child modeling Web sites called 'fix for pedophiles'
> >
> > September 16, 2002
> > http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-model16.html
> > BY DAVID CRARY
> >
> >
> > Many of these sites are set up and run by the parents of the girls
> > portrayed, I have one question,...............WHAT ARE THEY THINKING?
> >
> > Jason
>
> Probably thinking;
> Who cares if strange guys are whacking off to the pics,
> better having them relieve the tension that way,
> instead of trying to make some physical contact with the girls.
But!
What if one of those strange guys 'whacking off' gets fixated on their
object of interest, what if they begin to stalk the girl and her family,
convincing himself that he is her new "boyfriend"?
Having the pictures on the site makes the girls vulnerable, the website,
especially if the domain name is registered makes it easy to find the
addresses of the girls.
> Plus the subscription fees come in handy,
> and maybe, just maybe, some agency will call to use my daughter,
> and we'll all be living on easy street after that.
>
Maybe, just maybe someone phones up pretending to be from an agency and
abducts the child, using her as his own little sexual plaything before
killing her and hiding her body.
>
>
> I doubt that most parents would think the *website* modeling
> as "whoring out their daughters",
> even though there are shameful examples of some parents
> willing to go any exploit for the money.
>
I think that it IS about "whoring out their daughters", they want their
children to earn the money and they want to live off it.
It would take the abduction and murder of one of these girls to make people
think twice about putting up a site such as that,and that, IMO, is far too
high a price to pay.
Jason
--
Why do Al Quaida women shave their pubic hair?
They don't like Bush.
Bart Bailey
> Bart Bailey wrote:
>
> > Jason Pope wrote:
> >
> > > Child modeling Web sites called 'fix for pedophiles'
> > >
> > > September 16, 2002
> > > http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-model16.html
> > > BY DAVID CRARY
> > >
> > >
> > > Many of these sites are set up and run by the parents of the girls
> > > portrayed, I have one question,...............WHAT ARE THEY THINKING?
> > >
> > > Jason
> >
> > Probably thinking;
> > Who cares if strange guys are whacking off to the pics,
> > better having them relieve the tension that way,
> > instead of trying to make some physical contact with the girls.
>
> But!
> What if one of those strange guys 'whacking off' gets fixated on their
> object of interest, what if they begin to stalk the girl and her family,
> convincing himself that he is her new "boyfriend"?
Then it's time to invoke the stalking laws,
and pursue criminal action, if need be.
>
> Having the pictures on the site makes the girls vulnerable, the website,
> especially if the domain name is registered makes it easy to find the
> addresses of the girls.
Records of site owner maybe, but no site content info.
I don't think addresses of models
are ever included in whois records for any site.
>
> > Plus the subscription fees come in handy,
> > and maybe, just maybe, some agency will call to use my daughter,
> > and we'll all be living on easy street after that.
>
> >
>
> Maybe, just maybe someone phones up pretending to be from an agency and
> abducts the child, using her as his own little sexual plaything before
> killing her and hiding her body.
Like with any other contract, the parties should be verified,
and any photo shoot attended by responsible adults.
> >
> > I doubt that most parents would think the *website* modeling
> > as "whoring out their daughters",
> > even though there are shameful examples of some parents
> > willing to go any exploit for the money.
> >
>
> I think that it IS about "whoring out their daughters", they want their
> children to earn the money and they want to live off it.
In the loosest sense, yes,
like any other child actors, models, or entertainers,
but far from actual sexual prostitution.
>
> It would take the abduction and murder of one of these girls to make people
> think twice about putting up a site such as that,and that, IMO, is far too
> high a price to pay.
>
> Jason
If there were an abduction and murder, there would have to have been a huge
lapse in prudent responsibility to allow it to happen.
--
Bart
Jason Pope
Bart Bailey wrote:
> > But!
> > What if one of those strange guys 'whacking off' gets fixated on their
> > object of interest, what if they begin to stalk the girl and her family,
> > convincing himself that he is her new "boyfriend"?
>
> Then it's time to invoke the stalking laws,
> and pursue criminal action, if need be.
>
By then it might be too late, why place your child in a position of risk at all,
and if it's not whoring why make the websites paysites? The people setting up
those sites know full well what sort of person will pay for the "privilege" of
seeing their daughter/teen model partially dressed,..........
>
> >
> > Having the pictures on the site makes the girls vulnerable, the website,
> > especially if the domain name is registered makes it easy to find the
> > addresses of the girls.
>
> Records of site owner maybe, but no site content info.
> I don't think addresses of models
> are ever included in whois records for any site.
If the parents own the domain the girls address is indeed on the records.
> >
> > > Plus the subscription fees come in handy,
> > > and maybe, just maybe, some agency will call to use my daughter,
> > > and we'll all be living on easy street after that.
> >
> > >
> >
> > Maybe, just maybe someone phones up pretending to be from an agency and
> > abducts the child, using her as his own little sexual plaything before
> > killing her and hiding her body.
>
> Like with any other contract, the parties should be verified,
> and any photo shoot attended by responsible adults.
>
If these are legitimate agencies that are contacting the girls why the need to
make them pay to get them interested?
The parents are whoring outtheir children, that's why.
>
> > >
> > > I doubt that most parents would think the *website* modeling
> > > as "whoring out their daughters",
> > > even though there are shameful examples of some parents
> > > willing to go any exploit for the money.
> > >
> >
> > I think that it IS about "whoring out their daughters", they want their
> > children to earn the money and they want to live off it.
>
> In the loosest sense, yes,
> like any other child actors, models, or entertainers,
> but far from actual sexual prostitution.
If the people visiting the site are doing it to whack off then what the owners
are doing is providing pornography depicting children, why else would there be a
member part of the site after showing some free 'teasers'?
>
>
> >
> > It would take the abduction and murder of one of these girls to make people
> > think twice about putting up a site such as that,and that, IMO, is far too
> > high a price to pay.
> >
> > Jason
>
> If there were an abduction and murder, there would have to have been a huge
> lapse in prudent responsibility to allow it to happen.
>
> --
> Bart
Jon Benet Ramsey!?
Bart Bailey
> Bart Bailey wrote:
>
> > > But!
> > > What if one of those strange guys 'whacking off' gets fixated on their
> > > object of interest, what if they begin to stalk the girl and her family,
> > > convincing himself that he is her new "boyfriend"?
> >
> > Then it's time to invoke the stalking laws,
> > and pursue criminal action, if need be.
> >
>
> By then it might be too late, why place your child in a position of risk at all,
> and if it's not whoring why make the websites paysites? The people setting up
> those sites know full well what sort of person will pay for the "privilege" of
> seeing their daughter/teen model partially dressed,..........
Just as many ideas are quite repulsive to me, I wouldn't censor them,
but would be quick to hold accountable for any incited activities.
If any illegal activities sprang from these sites,
there should be a vigorous response.
>
> >
> > >
> > > Having the pictures on the site makes the girls vulnerable, the website,
> > > especially if the domain name is registered makes it easy to find the
> > > addresses of the girls.
> >
> > Records of site owner maybe, but no site content info.
> > I don't think addresses of models
> > are ever included in whois records for any site.
>
> If the parents own the domain the girls address is indeed on the records.
or if the girls themselves own the sites, but I was under the impression
that the sites were a business venture run by separate individuals.
> > >
> > > > Plus the subscription fees come in handy,
> > > > and maybe, just maybe, some agency will call to use my daughter,
> > > > and we'll all be living on easy street after that.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Maybe, just maybe someone phones up pretending to be from an agency and
> > > abducts the child, using her as his own little sexual plaything before
> > > killing her and hiding her body.
> >
> > Like with any other contract, the parties should be verified,
> > and any photo shoot attended by responsible adults.
> >
>
> If these are legitimate agencies that are contacting the girls why the need to
> make them pay to get them interested?
Same reason models have to pay for their portfolio, to cover expenses.
> The parents are whoring outtheir children, that's why.
not necessarily
> >
> > > >
> > > > I doubt that most parents would think the *website* modeling
> > > > as "whoring out their daughters",
> > > > even though there are shameful examples of some parents
> > > > willing to go any exploit for the money.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I think that it IS about "whoring out their daughters", they want their
> > > children to earn the money and they want to live off it.
> >
> > In the loosest sense, yes,
> > like any other child actors, models, or entertainers,
> > but far from actual sexual prostitution.
>
> If the people visiting the site are doing it to whack off then what the owners
> are doing is providing pornography depicting children, why else would there be a
> member part of the site after showing some free 'teasers'?
the same reason there are movie trailers, or previews of any product.
Just basic marketing techniques, (tease and hopefully sell).
In the commercial broadcast industry, they even use the term "tease"
to describe such material.
Next time you watch the news,
and they show a shortened clip and the words;
"more on this after the break"
You've seen a "tease".
> >>
> > >
> > > It would take the abduction and murder of one of these girls to make people
> > > think twice about putting up a site such as that,and that, IMO, is far too
> > > high a price to pay.
> > >
> > > Jason
> >
> > If there were an abduction and murder, there would have to have been a huge
> > lapse in prudent responsibility to allow it to happen.
> >
> > --
> > Bart
>
> Jon Benet Ramsey!?
Yep, an excellent example of the parental urge to live vicariously,
through their
progeny, and maybe make a few bucks off it too.
Except your example shows how extreme the phenomena can get if there
isn't any
emotional stability in those parents, and an unresolved internal
psychological
conflict is allowed to manifest in harmful activities (even death) for
those
children.
>
>
> Jason
>
> --
> Why do Al Quaida women shave their pubic hair?
>
> They don't like Bush.
I didn't snip your juvenile, sexist, racist sig this time.
not that I endorse nor find humor in it.
--
Bart
Jason Pope
Bart Bailey wrote:
> > By then it might be too late, why place your child in a position of risk at all,
> > and if it's not whoring why make the websites paysites? The people setting up
> > those sites know full well what sort of person will pay for the "privilege" of
> > seeing their daughter/teen model partially dressed,..........
>
> Just as many ideas are quite repulsive to me, I wouldn't censor them,
> but would be quick to hold accountable for any incited activities.
> If any illegal activities sprang from these sites,
> there should be a vigorous response.
>
Sometimes censorship is a good thing Bart, why is there a need for such "child
pornography" to be available on the net?
If a family wants to get their child into modelling THEY can approach the agencies
rather than the other way around. Or enter the numerous beauty contests that take
place around the country.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Having the pictures on the site makes the girls vulnerable, the website,
> > > > especially if the domain name is registered makes it easy to find the
> > > > addresses of the girls.
> > >
> > > Records of site owner maybe, but no site content info.
> > > I don't think addresses of models
> > > are ever included in whois records for any site.
> >
> > If the parents own the domain the girls address is indeed on the records.
>
> or if the girls themselves own the sites, but I was under the impression
> that the sites were a business venture run by separate individuals.
>
Not all of them, some are family businesses, at least they've been reported as such by
the popular press.
> >
> > If these are legitimate agencies that are contacting the girls why the need to
> > make them pay to get them interested?
>
> Same reason models have to pay for their portfolio, to cover expenses.
It usually goes the other way round though Bart, the models pay to get their pictures
taken to produce the portfolio for the agencies, they don't usually "prostitute"
themselves first to get the money needed to get the pictures.........
> > The parents are whoring outtheir children, that's why.
>
> not necessarily
>
We'll have to agree to disagree.
> > > > >
> > > > > I doubt that most parents would think the *website* modeling
> > > > > as "whoring out their daughters",
> > > > > even though there are shameful examples of some parents
> > > > > willing to go any exploit for the money.
> > > > >
If the website was a free affair with limited pictures and a contact email address I
might agree with you!>
> > If the people visiting the site are doing it to whack off then what the owners
> > are doing is providing pornography depicting children, why else would there be a
> > member part of the site after showing some free 'teasers'?
>
> the same reason there are movie trailers, or previews of any product.
> Just basic marketing techniques, (tease and hopefully sell).
> In the commercial broadcast industry, they even use the term "tease"
> to describe such material.
> Next time you watch the news,
> and they show a shortened clip and the words;
> "more on this after the break"
> You've seen a "tease".
>
But using that in the same sentence as "my daughter" is just plain sick!
The child modelling scene has managed very successfully without the need for internet
perving sites.
>
> > > > It would take the abduction and murder of one of these girls to make people
> > > > think twice about putting up a site such as that,and that, IMO, is far too
> > > > high a price to pay.
> > > >
> > > > Jason
> > >
> > > If there were an abduction and murder, there would have to have been a huge
> > > lapse in prudent responsibility to allow it to happen.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bart
> >
> > Jon Benet Ramsey!?
>
> Yep, an excellent example of the parental urge to live vicariously,
> through their
> progeny, and maybe make a few bucks off it too.
> Except your example shows how extreme the phenomena can get if there
> isn't any
> emotional stability in those parents, and an unresolved internal
> psychological
> conflict is allowed to manifest in harmful activities (even death) for
> those
> children.
>
OK
I include advertising your children "for sale" (cos that's what's being done) in with
those harmful activities!
> --
> > Why do Al Quaida women shave their pubic hair?
> >
> > They don't like Bush.
>
> I didn't snip your juvenile, sexist, racist sig this time.
> not that I endorse nor find humor in it.
And?
Lighten up Bart!
yeesh!
Jason
Christi Conley
so I thought I'd go check out these websites...
I did a YAHOO search for "Webe Web Inc."
and got a TON of "Teen Model" sites -
the first (and only) one I went to is called "Teen-Model-Marie".
Not ONLY was I completely sickened by the pictures on
her site, I went to the links section - this is truly
horrific:
http://www.teen-model-marie.com/links.html
I can't imagine ANY parent, or anyone who loves
a child, allowing this type of shit -
it is gross and obviously targets pedophiles.....
My niece is contracted under IKON models -
look at the difference in the sites:
http://www.ikonmodels.com/
--
Christi
Stampin' Up! Representative
Art Without Anxiety
www.ArtWithoutAnxiety.com
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"Jason Pope" <serial1...@virgin.net> wrote in message
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Jason Pope
Christi Conley wrote:
> I happen to have a 9 year old niece who models,
> so I thought I'd go check out these websites...
> I did a YAHOO search for "Webe Web Inc."
> and got a TON of "Teen Model" sites -
> the first (and only) one I went to is called "Teen-Model-Marie".
> Not ONLY was I completely sickened by the pictures on
> her site, I went to the links section - this is truly
> horrific:
> http://www.teen-model-marie.com/links.html
>
> I can't imagine ANY parent, or anyone who loves
> a child, allowing this type of shit -
> it is gross and obviously targets pedophiles.....
>
> My niece is contracted under IKON models -
> look at the difference in the sites:
> http://www.ikonmodels.com/
>
> --
> Christi
You're dead right Christi, there's a major difference between sites set up for
pervs and legitimate sites, the links you provided prove that much!
Jason
--
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