Teeth Whitening
Simon
Its a gel/plasma light system. Looks like the business.
http://www.raintree-health.co.uk/cgi-bin/getpage.pl?/teeth.html
£40+postage (£42.90 total) about half price as its an introductory offer.
Simon
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Simon
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> Do these things really work?
>
It usually depends on the nature of the problem colour.
I will let you know what happens in my case though. I'm not expecting
miracles, just an improvement (although a miracle would be welcome!) They do
have a money back guarantee.
Simon
MC_Emily
The bleaching gel kits do. I bought mine for around £6 off eBay and the
difference was amazing!! If you're going to do it, I'd recommend doing the
top teeth first because then you've still got the bottom ones to compare
with. Otherwise, you might get an improvement but not realise it!!
Jaqy
Lin Chung
> Simon wrote:
> > Its a gel/plasma light system. Looks like the business.
> > http://www.raintree-health.co.uk/cgi-bin/getpage.pl?/teeth.html
> difference was amazing!! If you're going to do it, I'd recommend doing
> the top teeth first because then you've still got the bottom ones to
> compare with. Otherwise, you might get an improvement but not realise
> it!!
"...you might get an improvement but not realise it." That suggests the
change is minimal, or rather in one's imagination! I have yet to have tried
any toothpaste that works. OK, this is a gel....but I am seriously
skeptical! Is there any independent report from the Consumers'
Association/Council or its American equivalent? It is a bleach, so how
long does the whitening last?
Some thing must work -- regular polish in the dentist's? -- as you see often
celebrities in magazine photos brimming and grinning, showing proudly
their perfectly white set of teeth, quite purposefully and unnecessarily.
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Dee
> Do these things really work?
Just buy a tube of Arm & Hammer Peroxicare toothpaste - probably only
available in the USA but it works - although the old formula worked much
better then the new one.
But I wouldn't use it too often - maybe 2 or 3 days before an important
event where you want your teeth to look white and BTW it makes your
teeth kinda glow in the dark (and daylight) so another reason not to use
too much
Banjo
makes the teeth sensitive, if they're sensitive already it can be very
painful. Some companies supply a colour chart so you can see how many
shades of white you're achieving. As the other poster says, it's hard to
notice how different the whiteness is-unless you leave out a tooth,
that does not mean the difference is minimal or in the mind, it's like a
tan, you don't know how far tanned you are unless you have an untanned
bit to compare with, It's not a toothpaste, it's a bleaching gel it
won't work on fillings so if you have a white filling on show that
matches your teeth it won't match after. I know the gel works, the only
thing is the best way to get it to keep contact to all the teeth at an
even level without touching the gums. I found the paint on and leave
overnight better than the moulds as my teeth are uneven at the bottom
and the moulds hard to fashion.
My concern is the light bulb part of the OP's post - I'd like to know
what difference the bulb is to any other type bulb and how that would
affect the gell to accelerate the reaction. Heat possibly - which one
would get from any bulb?
Anyone know?
Me
probably only available in the USA
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Does it really work?
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steeler
"Banjo" <ba...@blonky.boo> wrote in message
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> Lin Chung wrote:
>>
>> MC_Emily wrote:
>> > Simon wrote:
>> > > Its a gel/plasma light system. Looks like the business.
>> > > http://www.raintree-health.co.uk/cgi-bin/getpage.pl?/teeth.html
>> > The bleaching gel kits do. I bought mine for around £6 off eBay and
>> > the
>> > difference was amazing!! If you're going to do it, I'd recommend doing
>> > the top teeth first because then you've still got the bottom ones to
>> > compare with. Otherwise, you might get an improvement but not realise
>> > it!!
>>
>> "...you might get an improvement but not realise it." That suggests the
>> change is minimal, or rather in one's imagination! I have yet to have
>> tried
>> any toothpaste that works. OK, this is a gel....but I am seriously
>> skeptical! Is there any independent report from the Consumers'
>> Association/Council or its American equivalent? It is a bleach, so how
>> long does the whitening last?
>>
>> Some thing must work -- regular polish in the dentist's? -- as you see
>> often
>> celebrities in magazine photos brimming and grinning, showing proudly
>> their perfectly white set of teeth, quite purposefully and unnecessarily.
>>
> The gel works.
Of course it works. Simple science. The gel is a hydroxide - usually about
10%.
It is the same gel dentists use - only most of them use ultraviolet light to
speed up the process (and increase the charge 10 fold).
MC_Emily
> "...you might get an improvement but not realise it." That suggests the
> change is minimal, or rather in one's imagination!
It doesn't suggest anything of the kind!! As Banjo says, it like not
knowing how tanned you are unless you have a white bit! It works because
it's bleach - no different to putting bleach in an enamelled sink! The one
I used was 30%. I did it everyday for 30 mins for 8 days. The difference
was very real - not minimal and not in my imagination!! In case you
wondered, most of my staining was from drinking a lot of tea (and, of
course, staining from food) - I don't smoke, so I don't know how effective
it would be on a smoker's teeth but, again, it's a bleach so work it out!
Jaqy
Lin Chung
> Banjo wrote:
> > The gel works.
> Of course it works. Simple science. The gel is a hydroxide - usually
> about 10%. It is the same gel dentists use - only most of them use
> ultraviolet light to speed up the process (and increase the charge 10
> fold).
Hydroxide! Do you mean peroxide -- hydrogen peroxide (H²O²)?
Jeff Dawes
>
> The bleaching gel kits do. I bought mine for around £6 off eBay and the
> difference was amazing!! If you're going to do it, I'd recommend doing
> the top teeth first because then you've still got the bottom ones to
> compare with. Otherwise, you might get an improvement but not realise
> it!!
>
> Jaqy
>
That's interesting. Do you mind me asking which sort you got from Ebay?
I've been looking on there for ages but don't know which to go for. Are
they all more or less the same? Is it best to go for a specific brand of
gel? I'd appreciate your thoughts :-)
Linda
wrote:
>Found this by accident, but ordered one!
The same deal is available on eBay for £9.99 + £3.85 postage.
MC_Emily
> Hydroxide! Do you mean peroxide -- hydrogen peroxide (H²O²)?
Yes, of course. The same the dentists use and charge a fortune for!! The
one I used was a gel with a thermoforming mould.
Jaqy
MC_Emily
Hang on, I'll have a look if I can find the same one I got. Although, I
should think they're all the same. You can get 22% or 30%. Mine was 30%.
I'll get back to you.
Jaqy
Jeff Dawes
> should think they're all the same. You can get 22% or 30%. Mine was 30%.
> I'll get back to you.
>
> Jaqy
>
Brilliant! Thanks :-)
MC_Emily
> "Jeff Dawes" <nospam...@spamno.com> wrote
Hi again
I've had a look and it seems they're no either 22% or 35%. If I was going
to buy a kit now, I'd get this one
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V2035282C
However, it does say that if you haven't used a kit before, or you have
sensitive teeth, you should use a 22% one. They all seem the same really,
apart from price and P+P. Just make sure you get the trays with them. The
tricky part is getting the trays to mould properly. Once you've made them
pliable, they can stick together - you have to make sure they don't do this
because you won't get it apart again! Once you've formed a tray, it's
re-usable and keeps it's shape. I hope this helps. If you think I can help
any more, just ask.
Jaqy
chas
of money unless you stop completely, drinking tea/coffee and other staining
drinks/food. Also smoking. You need to keep the whitening up on a regular
basis too - which can ultimately harm the tooth enamel.
The whitening kits are not to be used if you have a bridge or crown as these
will come out a different colour or not whiten in line with the other teeth.
He recommended twice daily brushing, flossing after meals and a good scale
and polish every checkup!
Much cheaper.
chas
Jeff Dawes
>
> I've had a look and it seems they're no either 22% or 35%. If I was going
> to buy a kit now, I'd get this one
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?V2035282C
> However, it does say that if you haven't used a kit before, or you have
> sensitive teeth, you should use a 22% one. They all seem the same really,
> apart from price and P+P. Just make sure you get the trays with them.
> The tricky part is getting the trays to mould properly. Once you've made
> them pliable, they can stick together - you have to make sure they don't
> do this because you won't get it apart again! Once you've formed a tray,
> it's re-usable and keeps it's shape. I hope this helps. If you think I
> can help any more, just ask.
>
> Jaqy
>
>
Thanks everso for the info - I'll give the 22% one a try. Been looking for
ages - now going to give it a try :-)
MC_Emily
If it works for you like it did for me, you'll be very pleased :o)
Jaqy
MC_Emily
> Much cheaper.......
.......but doesn't work!! Whereas whitening kits do :o)
Jaqy
GwG
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When I tried a kit previously, I had problems moulding the trays to my
slightly uneven teeth, any tips or suggestions for successful use?
Andy Pandy
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We tried a gel kit off the net somewhere (forgotten the link) - sounded like
the business but my wife couldn't stand the gel - said it made her feel
sick - she claimed it basically tastes like having cleaning bleach in your
mouth (which is probably what it is anyway ;)
Ho Hum.....
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the uk, yellow seems the norm...could it be lazy attitude to teeth cleaning
or perhaps the water etc? any ideas?
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David Quinton
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> The difference
>was very real - not minimal and not in my imagination!! In case you
>wondered, most of my staining was from drinking a lot of tea (and, of
>course, staining from food) - I don't smoke, so I don't know how effective
>it would be on a smoker's teeth but, again, it's a bleach so work it out!
In the interest of scientific research, I'd be grateful if you could
please repeat the experiment after 40 yrs of roll-ups, red wine and
Espresso
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Ian F.
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> Just wondering why in the Usa almost everyone has great white teeth and in
> the uk, yellow seems the norm...could it be lazy attitude to teeth
> cleaning or perhaps the water etc? any ideas?
Americans who have never visited the Uk and rarely met anyone British are
under the popular misconception that we have "bad teeth". Our teeth are no
worse or no better than anyone else's - I would hate to see the state of the
mouths of some Americans who live, shall we say, in some of the less
well-to-do states.
It really does display an element of ignorance to constantly bang on about
Brits having bad teeth - it's as bad as some idiots this side of the water
going on about all Americans being obese - which, of course, they aren't. It
really is time for all this nonsense to stop.
Ian
MC_Emily
> In the interest of scientific research, I'd be grateful if you could
> please repeat the experiment after 40 yrs of roll-ups, red wine and
> Espresso
> <G>
I'd be happy to oblige, only I don't plan on being around in 40 years time!!
Sorry to disappoint ;o)
Jaqy
MC_Emily
> When I tried a kit previously, I had problems moulding the trays to my
> slightly uneven teeth, any tips or suggestions for successful use?
The trick is, as soon as you get the tray on your teeth, you need to suck
really hard on it to get rid of all the air and force it into the shape of
your teeth. It *is* tricky, I don't deny, but once you've got a tray that
fits it'll last for ages.
Jaqy
MC_Emily
> We tried a gel kit off the net somewhere (forgotten the link) - sounded
> like the business but my wife couldn't stand the gel - said it made her
> feel sick - she claimed it basically tastes like having cleaning bleach in
> your mouth (which is probably what it is anyway ;)
>
> Ho Hum.....
I gather that some of the gels do taste bad, although the one I used was
kind of OK. I know some people also can't stand having the tray in their
mouth. I suppose it depends on what you can naturally cope with and what
you're prepared to put up with. I don't really suppose that it's meant to
taste nice (it is, like you said, bleach!) but if you can put up with it for
a short space of time you get whiter teeth :o)
Jaqy
GwG
Thanks Jaqy, I did try that sucking trick, but with only one set of
trays supplied, experimentation was down to a minimum, and the resulting
trays did not fit properly, meaning excess gel had to be used and the
treatment was not very successful, but there was some improvement.
A friend who is a heavy smoker, and coffee drinker, had her trays
moulded by a dentist, before the treatment her teeth were very heavily
discoloured, and now everyone compliments her on her white teeth, but
she paid over £300 fo the service, and pays a lot for the top up gel. I
ordered one of the £8.99 Ebay kits yesterday evening, (the one with a
lamp), and I received an email a couple of hours later saying it has
been despatched, the Ebay advert implies that the kits are in Leeds, but
everything seems to be operated from the U.S. There is lots of feedback,
and the kits seem to arrive quickly, so I will now have to wait and see
what happens.
Anthony Deane
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> the uk, yellow seems the norm...could it be lazy attitude to teeth
> cleaning or perhaps the water etc? any ideas?
>
>
It amuses me the amount of American's (I was there in July) that have major
dental work (braces etc in their 20s - 40s) whilst being about twice the
weight that they should be. American society seems to think that white and
straight teeth make you a better person, but at the same time that you
should have the freedom to be whatever size you like.
It's annoying me now that you see youngsters now in this country having
their teeth filed down so that they can have venires, not worrying about
what's going to happen in 10 years time when they need to have them replace.
Simon
"Simon" <si...@not-telling.you> wrote in message
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> Found this by accident, but ordered one!
>
> Its a gel/plasma light system. Looks like the business.
> http://www.raintree-health.co.uk/cgi-bin/getpage.pl?/teeth.html
>
> £40+postage (£42.90 total) about half price as its an introductory offer.
>
> Simon
>
>
Recieved today and just finished my first go ...
suitably impressed, I actually have a small improvement already!
I've been using the teeth whitening toothpastes for a long time and hope
that after I complete this course they will simply maintain the result for
me. I was already aware of the versions on ebay but they all seemed to be
based in the US even though the goods of some appear to be already in the
UK. I chose not to due to the fact that recently I have had 'issues' with
ebay power sellers, and ebay did not care at all so I have been left out of
pocket. So I paid more, but I got the satisfaction of knowing that I'm
dealing with a UK based company thats been online for years and would get
the full protection of the distance selling regs if needed.
Even though I paid more than I would on ebay, I feel I got great value. If I
ever get everything straightened out with ebay I may risk using them again
one day, I guess thats the bitter after-taste of being screwed over by a
power seller! Before anyone comments, I too have had many 'happy'
transactions on ebay over the last 3 years but this last one has put me off
for now (its great until you get your first really bad experience).
Simon (with the new improved whiter smile :-D )
GwG
"Simon" <si...@not-telling.you> wrote in message
>
> "Simon" <si...@not-telling.you> wrote in message
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>> Found this by accident, but ordered one!
>>
>> Its a gel/plasma light system. Looks like the business.
>> http://www.raintree-health.co.uk/cgi-bin/getpage.pl?/teeth.html
>>
>> £40+postage (£42.90 total) about half price as its an introductory
>> offer.
>
Simon, if it works then it will be worth that price, especially compared
to going to a dentist, which would be 10x what you paid.
Just a couple of questions please, as they do not seem to be covered in
any of the adverts.
1) How long do you have to leave the trays in your mouth, and how long
do you give the light blast?
2) What size batteries are used in the light gun?
David Quinton
wrote:
Follow my regime, and you 'll be happy to be alive in 5, Emily!
MC_Emily
> Thanks Jaqy, I did try that sucking trick, but with only one set of trays
> supplied, experimentation was down to a minimum, and the resulting trays
> did not fit properly, meaning excess gel had to be used and the treatment
> was not very successful, but there was some improvement.
>
> A friend who is a heavy smoker, and coffee drinker, had her trays moulded
> by a dentist, before the treatment her teeth were very heavily
> discoloured, and now everyone compliments her on her white teeth, but she
> paid over £300 fo the service, and pays a lot for the top up gel. I
> ordered one of the £8.99 Ebay kits yesterday evening, (the one with a
> lamp), and I received an email a couple of hours later saying it has been
> despatched, the Ebay advert implies that the kits are in Leeds, but
> everything seems to be operated from the U.S. There is lots of feedback,
> and the kits seem to arrive quickly, so I will now have to wait and see
> what happens.
I don't know anything about the ones with lamps and haven't seen any on eBay
(because I haven't looked) but I'm guessing it's UV, to speed up the
process?
Jaqy
Simon
>
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>>
>> "Simon" <si...@not-telling.you> wrote in message
>> news:4378788a$0$18891$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>>> Found this by accident, but ordered one!
>>>
>>> Its a gel/plasma light system. Looks like the business.
>>> http://www.raintree-health.co.uk/cgi-bin/getpage.pl?/teeth.html
>>>
>>> £40+postage (£42.90 total) about half price as its an introductory
>>> offer.
>>
>> Recieved today and just finished my first go ...
>> suitably impressed, I actually have a small improvement already!
>>
>
> to going to a dentist, which would be 10x what you paid.
> Just a couple of questions please, as they do not seem to be covered in
> any of the adverts.
> 1) How long do you have to leave the trays in your mouth, and how long do
> you give the light blast?
15-30 minutes for both.
> 2) What size batteries are used in the light gun?
PP3 which is included.
The included instructions are easy to follow and thorough.
Simon
chas
does your friend still smoke?
If so, what was the point of spending the £300?
chas
MC_Emily
>> Simon, if it works then it will be worth that price, especially compared
>> to going to a dentist, which would be 10x what you paid.
>> Just a couple of questions please, as they do not seem to be covered in
>> any of the adverts.
>> 1) How long do you have to leave the trays in your mouth, and how long do
>> you give the light blast?
>
> 15-30 minutes for both.
So, do you have to sit grinning like a Cheshire cat for 15-30 mins?
Jaqy
GwG
"Simon" <si...@not-telling.you> wrote in message
Thanks Simon, the 15-30 minutes seems a lot better than the 2 hours with
my previous kit, and it is nice to know the battery can be easily
replaced.
GwG
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I suppose if she spent £300 on the dentist, she didn't have so much to
spend on ciggies, but I still can't see your reasoning in that
statement. Just because someone smokes, it doesn't necessarily follow
that they don't take care of their appearance.
Simon
Cheshire cat? me?
Lets just say that I would not be doing this in public view!
Simon
MC_Emily
>>>> 1) How long do you have to leave the trays in your mouth, and how long
>>>> do you give the light blast?
>>> 15-30 minutes for both.
>> So, do you have to sit grinning like a Cheshire cat for 15-30 mins?
>> Jaqy
> Cheshire cat? me?
> Lets just say that I would not be doing this in public view!
> Simon
LOL!! Go on, put a pic up somewhere - I dare you!!! :o)
Jaqy
chas
then spend £300 trying to whiten teeth that are being stained because of the
smoking.
What's the point in taking take of one's appearance to the tune of £300 when
you can take care of your health for a lot less by stopping smoking?
But I digress into the debate of to smoke/or not to smoke....
Back on topic however... I saw someone at work yesterday who had had their
teeth whitened by her dentist. They looked VERY white and rather un-natural
to me although brilliantly clean etc.. as well. But because of the
whiteness, they seemed somehow not right. Aren't teeth meant to be naturally
not white?
chas
Interesting Ian
"Simon" <si...@not-telling.you> wrote in message
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> Found this by accident, but ordered one!
>
> Its a gel/plasma light system. Looks like the business.
> http://www.raintree-health.co.uk/cgi-bin/getpage.pl?/teeth.html
>
> £40+postage (£42.90 total) about half price as its an introductory offer.
>
>
Is it safe to buy from them? Can't see any information pertaining to this.
Also did you notice where they said:
"With regard to our money back guarantee on the Teeth Whitening products,
because this wholly honest offer is open to abuse by some people. Raintree
Health (UK) Ltd state that if after following the instructions precisely and
completing for the full course of treatments, you still see no improvement
whatsoever we would request dated, signed by witness before and after
photographs to substansiate the claim. We will gladly refund the cost of the
item minus postage".
Simon
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>
> "Simon" <si...@not-telling.you> wrote in message
> news:4378788a$0$18891$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>> Found this by accident, but ordered one!
>>
>> Its a gel/plasma light system. Looks like the business.
>> http://www.raintree-health.co.uk/cgi-bin/getpage.pl?/teeth.html
>>
>> £40+postage (£42.90 total) about half price as its an introductory offer.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>
> Is it safe to buy from them? Can't see any information pertaining to
> this. Also did you notice where they said:
>
next day for me and on top of that the product is great.
>
> "With regard to our money back guarantee on the Teeth Whitening products,
> because this wholly honest offer is open to abuse by some people. Raintree
> Health (UK) Ltd state that if after following the instructions precisely
> and completing for the full course of treatments, you still see no
> improvement whatsoever we would request dated, signed by witness before
> and after photographs to substansiate the claim. We will gladly refund the
> cost of the item minus postage".
>
Yes, I saw it too, I figured it was just to deter people trying it on. I
expect that if I had to I would have simply got a recent photo where I was
smiling and then take a new one. I did not worry too much about the fine
details as I expect that if it had not worked for me I would only have had
to do enough to show I was not just trying to get a free set of whiter
teeth! They have been online for some time and look to me to be a solid
operation thats well run. I read the feedback from other customers (of
course they control what is posted) and may give some of their other
products a try to see if they work as well for me!
2 days, 2 goes and other people have noticed the change so it definately
isnt in my mind! Best present I bought myself this year, I never thought I
was vein, but I do feel good. That could just be because its new!
Hope this helps set your mind at ease, but I would have no problems in
recommending this company and this product to any of my friends.
Simon
nobby
you're blokes, you're supposed to have dodgy teeth etc ..
I bet some of you wear makeup !! - how sad !!
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joe
Eh? Just for that?