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SOME SCRIPTURAL REFERENCES -> Here is what the Old Testament (which Jews claim
to adhere to as authoritative and note what King David says of the unborn and
what God's LAW is as given to Moses says about causing the death of the unborn):

Psalm 139:1,13,14,15,16 :: New International Version (NIV)
For the director of music. Of David. A psalm.

1 O LORD , you have searched me and you know me.
13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are
wonderful, I know that full well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I
was woven together in the depths of the earth,
16 your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in
your book before one of them came to be.

Other renderings of the above:

Psalm 139:1,13,14,15,16 :: The Message (MSG)
A David psalm
1 GOD, investigate my life; get all the facts firsthand.
13 Oh yes, you shaped me first inside, then out;
you formed me in my mother's womb.
14 I thank you, High God--you're breathtaking!
Body and soul, I am marvelously made!
I worship in adoration--what a creation!
15 You know me inside and out,
you know every bone in my body;
You know exactly how I was made, bit by bit,
how I was sculpted from nothing into something.
16 Like an open book, you watched me grow from conception to birth;
all the stages of my life were spread out before you,
The days of my life all prepared
before I'd even lived one day.

Psalm 139:1,13,14,15,16 :: New Living Translation (NLT)
For the choir director: A psalm of David.

1
O LORD, you have examined my heart
and know everything about me.
13
You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body
and knit me together in my mother's womb.
14
Thank you for making me so wonderfully complex!
Your workmanship is marvelous--and how well I know it.
15
You watched me as I was being formed in utter seclusion,
as I was woven together in the dark of the womb.
16
You saw me before I was born.
Every day of my life was recorded in your book.
Every moment was laid out
before a single day had passed.

------> Hardly looks like King David would have approved of destroying life in
the womb would he!? Afterall-- isn't the Star of David which the Neo-Pharisees
adore today made in honor to King David!?! <-----------

Exodus 21:1,22,23 :: New International Version (NIV)
1 "These are the laws you are to set before them:
22 "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely
but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's
husband demands and the court allows.
23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life...

The above comes shortly after the first TEN COMMANDMENTS too! Evidently modern
day Jews think it is "Kosher" to kill the unborn deliberately rather than
accidentally BUT does Psalms 139 support that the unborn are just mere unviable
tissue masses like the "baby-killers" like to claim in their wickedness?

BLOODGUILT DECLARED BY JESUS

Matthew 23:29-39 (English-RSV)
29 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you build the
tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous,
30 saying, 'If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not
have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
31 Thus you witness against yourselves, that you are sons of those who
murdered the prophets.
32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers.
33 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being
sentenced to hell?
34 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of
whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will scourge in your
synagogues and persecute from town to town,
35 that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from
the blood of innocent Abel to the blood of Zechari'ah the son of
Barachi'ah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.

Before reading the following please note the first mention of
The Great City: is in Revelation 11: 8 (English-RSV)
"...and their dead bodies will lie in the street of 'the great city'
which is allegorically called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord
was crucified."

Notice that "The Great City was where their (The Two Witnesses') Lord
was crucified." The Great City is NOT Rome, The Vatican, or New York
City with its United Nations- it's JERUSALEM!

Revelation 17:1,5,6,15,18 (English-RSV)
1 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said
to me, "Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who is
seated upon many waters,
5 and on her forehead was written a name of mystery: "Babylon the
great, mother of harlots and of earth's abominations."
6 And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and the
blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When I saw her I marveled greatly.

[Who has been known and proven to spill the blood of the martyrs of
Jesus? Who did Jesus say killed the prophets?]

15 And he said to me, "The waters that you saw, where the harlot is
seated, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues.
18 And the woman that you saw is the great city which has dominion
over the kings of the earth."

Revelation 18:2-8,20,21-24 (English-RSV)
2 And he called out with a mighty voice, "Fallen, fallen is Babylon
the great! It has become a dwelling place of demons, a haunt of every
foul spirit, a haunt of every foul and hateful bird;
3 for all nations have drunk the wine of her impure passion, and the
kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the
merchants of the earth have grown rich with the wealth of her
wantonness."
4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, "Come out of her, my
people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues;
5 for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her
iniquities.
6 Render to her as she herself has rendered, and repay her double for
her deeds; mix a double draught for her in the cup she mixed.
7 As she glorified herself and played the wanton, so give her a like
measure of torment and mourning. Since in her heart she says, 'A queen
I sit, I am no widow, mourning I shall never see,'
8 so shall her plagues come in a single day, pestilence and mourning
and famine, and she shall be burned with fire; for mighty is the Lord
God who judges her."

20 Rejoice over her, O heaven, O saints and apostles and prophets, for
God has given judgment for you against her!"
21 Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and
threw it into the sea, saying, "So shall Babylon the great city be
thrown down with violence, and shall be found no more;
22 and the sound of harpers and minstrels, of flute players and
trumpeters, shall be heard in thee no more; and a craftsman of any
craft shall be found in thee no more; and the sound of the millstone
shall be heard in thee no more;
23 and the light of a lamp shall shine in thee no more; and the voice
of bridegroom and bride shall be heard in thee no more; for thy
merchants were the great men of the earth, and all nations were
deceived by thy sorcery.
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of
all who have been slain on earth."

Compare verse 24 (just above) with what Jesus said in Matthew Chapter
23: 35 that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth,
from the blood of innocent Abel to the blood of Zechari'ah the son of
Barachi'ah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.

ABORTION IS SHEDDING "RIGHTEOUS BLOOD" ANYONE WHO DISAGREES MUST BELIEVE THE
INNOCENT UNBORN ARE "UNRIGHTEOUS BLOOD!"

Abortion is not an operation of God or of HIS Christ but rather it has to be
an operation of the Devil and his Children. Here is the only group of people
labeled by Jesus as the Children of the Devil:

John 8:1-6,31,37-49 :: New International Version (NIV)
1 But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered
around him, and he sat down to teach them.
3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in
adultery. They made her stand before the group
4 and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery.
5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?"
6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing
him.

<<The above scripture shows who Jesus was addressing and it shows they were
trying to trap him in his speech-- a trait the Pharisee devils have honed over
the past 2000 years I might add!>>

31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold to my teaching,
you are really my disciples.

<<Only those Jews who believed in Jesus were looked upon favorably and those who
didn't are addressed in the following scripture. Verse 31 also proves that NOT
all Jews are the Children of the Devil as some people want to teach. Jesus as
well all of the Apostles were Jews BUT they did not walk in the way of Pharisaic
Judaism. Rather Jesus did away with the Old Testament with the New Testament or
Covenant and the Apostles forsook their former course of life in Judaism.>>

37 I know you are Abraham's descendants. Yet you are ready to kill me, because
you have no room for my word.
38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father's presence, and you do what
you have heard from your father."
39 "Abraham is our father," they answered.
40 "If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, "then you would do the things
Abraham did. As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the
truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things.
41 You are doing the things your own father does."
"We are not illegitimate children," they protested. "The only Father we have is
God himself."

The Children of the Devil

42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came
from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.
43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I
say.
44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's
desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for
there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is
a liar and the father of lies.
45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't
you believe me?
47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that
you do not belong to God."
48 The Jews answered him, "Aren't we right in saying that you are a Samaritan
and demon-possessed?"
49 "I am not possessed by a demon," said Jesus, "but I honor my Father and you
dishonor me..

To further explain the Old Covenant being replaced by the New Covenant of Jesus
and how the Apostle's forsook Judaism see:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=qf7acvoa8hfn3bi2fttrvo00fhaoi2f8ip%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Old Covenant Vs New -- New Covenant Replaces Old Covenant (Jews NO
Longer God's Chosen People & Entitled to "Israel" So Says the Scripture!)
Message-ID: <qf7acvoa8hfn3bi2f...@4ax.com>

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=1ioifv01joma9fjqpa361host2smg0un2n%404ax.com&rnum=2
Subject: Today's Judaism is the Same Stuff Jesus Condemned ~2000 Years Ago
(Which Has Had Some Additions Made Since Then) V3.0 R_0625
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:51:27 -0500
Message-ID: <1ioifv01joma9fjqp...@4ax.com>
--->Compare the above to this post:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=1cnv30tcnn0240r4jov0i1htgqsa20s8u7%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: 1st Century Vs 21st Century Judaism Compared to 1st Century
Christianity and 21st Century Christendom
Message-ID: <1cnv30tcnn0240r4j...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Feb 2004 00:29:09 GMT

For a fact those Jews who opposed Jesus in the 1st Century were rightfully
called anti-Christs because they were Christ Deniers seeing how they denied
Jesus was the Christ or Messiah who came in the flesh:

1 John 2: 18 "Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you have heard
that antichrist is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists."

1 John 2: 22,23 "Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is
the Christ [or Messiah]? These things I write you about those who are trying to
mislead you!"

1 John 4: 2,3 "You gain knowledge of the inspired expression from God by this:
Every inspired expression that confesses Jesus Christ as having come in the
flesh originates with God, but every inspired expression that does not confess
Jesus does not originate with God, Furthermore this is the antichrist's inspired
expression which you have heard was coming, and now it is already in the world."

2 John 7,10,11 "For many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons not
confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the
antichrist. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never
receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a
greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works."
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Having any sympathy for the anti-Christ offspring of Belial (aka Lucifer) is
having SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL (who is their proud father who inspires them)-
which is at its core demonic and un-Christian!
Judges 20:13 "Now therefore deliver us the men, the children of Belial, which
are in Gibeah, that we may put them to death, and put away evil from Israel."
2 Corinthians 6:15 "What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does
a believer have in common with an unbeliever?"
http://www.belial.org/enbib/whois.htm (Archived locally as: belial_whois)
"...the ruler of all these newly-made demons was the Prince of Evil, known as
(among other things) Satan, Lucifer, Leviathan and Belial. The fallen angels,
who earlier had worked hard for God, became pure, independent and the foremost
enemies of the Christians."

-> MOVERS AND SHAKERS OF THE ABORTION INDUSTRY

Another observant person's (Judith Reisman) observation regarding those who
profit from the killing of innocent life:
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/Library/opposition/vol1num5/art3.htm
(Link was active March 5, 2003) (Archived locally as: vol1num5-art3)

HLI AND ANTI-SEMITISM, CONTINUED
Human Life International, which held its international conference in Montreal
April 19-23, 1995, went on the defensive in the face of critical reports in the
Canadian press. However, HLI spokespersons underscored the very issues raised by
concerned groups. For example, responding to concerns that HLI fingers Jews as
the primary promoters of abortion, HLI spokesperson Judith Reisman said,
"...everyone knows Jews do [emphasis in the original] lead the abortion
industry, and I'll thank B'Nai Brith from the bottom of my heart if they can
prove otherwise."(1)

Notes
1.Joe Woodward, "Extremism in Defense of the Unborn: Human Life International is
Accused by B'Nai Brith of Anti-Semitism," British Columbia Report, January 9,
1995.

<end>

Regarding the challenge to B'nai Brith as detailed above: "everyone knows Jews
do [emphasis in the original] lead the abortion industry, and I'll thank B'Nai
Brith from the bottom of my heart if they can prove otherwise" I now offer:

Concerning the leadership of Planned Parenthood (the largest abortion provider
in America):

http://www.sfjcf.org/events/photogallery/powerofone-april2002/index.shtml
(Link active June 16, 2004. Archived locally as: FeldtJEW.jpg)
Jewish Community Federation
At the tenth annual Power of One event, over 600 women gathered in San Francisco
to celebrate their commitment to the Jewish Community Federation. They were
inspired by messages from Jan Richer, Liki Abrams, and keynote speaker Gloria
Feldt, President of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, who spoke
eloquently about her Jewish roots, personal challenges and the importance of
activism.

<end>

Proof Jewish Gloria Feldt's Planned Parenthood dominates the abortion industry:
[Key phrase: "The Planned Parenthood Federation of America is the single largest
abortion provider in the United States."]

http://www.usccb.org/prolife/issues/abortion/factsheet.htm
(Link active June 16, 2004. Archived locally as: usccb_facts)
US Catholic Bishops - Fact Sheet Planned Parenthood Federation of America.

The Planned Parenthood Federation of America is the single largest abortion
provider in the United States. During 1998, Planned Parenthood clinics performed
167,928 surgical abortions. At an average cost of $350 per abortion, the
organization grossed $58,554,300 in abortion income. (Planned Parenthood
1998-1999 Annual Report, page 9).
Despite Planned Parenthood's "choice" rhetoric, it provided adoption referrals
to only 4,892 women and prenatal care to 16,065. Planned Parenthood provides 34
times more abortions than adoption referrals. It provides ten times more
abortions than prenatal services. (Planned Parenthood 1998-1999 Annual Report,
page 9).
Planned Parenthood's activity generates enormous revenue each year. During its
1999 fiscal year, the group reported a $125.8 million excess of revenue over
expenses. (Planned Parenthood 1998-1999 Annual Report, pages 18-19).
Planned Parenthood remains a significant beneficiary of federal money. In
1998, Congress gave Planned Parenthood and its affiliated organizations, the
International Planned Parenthood Federation and the Alan Guttmacher Institute,
$142,976,618 to support its domestic and international "family planning" agenda.
(Government Accounting Office, July 18, 2000 memo to members of Congress).
Planned Parenthood opposes the right of conscience—the right of Catholics and
Catholic hospitals to abide by church teaching on health care issues. In an
October 1999 speech Gloria Feldt, Planned Parenthood's current president
outlined the group's four-part agenda for the millennium, the fourth plank of
which is "bringing justice to ‘conscience' provisions for health care providers
and facilities." She called conscience clauses a "sugarcoated name" for
"interference" in medical decisions and lamented, "your daughter might not be
able to receive family planning, abortion, or infertility treatments at a
Catholic hospital." (Gloria Feldt in a speech delivered at the Commonwealth Club
of California, San Francisco, October 19, 1999).... <end>

Concerning leadership in NARAL (National Abortion Rights Action League):

http://www.jewishaz.com/jewishnews/031114/defend.shtml
(Link active June 16, 2004. Archived locally as: NARALjew)

Jewish News
November 14, 2003/Cheshvan 19 5764, Vol. 56, No. 8

Defend a woman's right to choose
KATE MICHELMAN
"With each child," the Midrash teaches, "the world begins anew." It is an
eloquent summary of an enduring Jewish tradition, and it sums up a reason that I
am pro-choice...
After his historic participation in the March at Selma, Rabbi Abraham Joshua
Heschel said, "My feet were praying." We need to pray with our feet once more.
We need to get pro-choice Americans to act and vote on their pro-choice values.
...This March will mark the highlight of my nearly 20-year tenure with NARAL
Pro-Choice America (formerly the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights
Action League). I cannot imagine a more fitting note on which to retire...

Kate Michelman is the president of NARAL Pro-Choice America.

<end>

http://www.naral.org/about/kate/index.cfm
(Link active June 16, 2004. Archived locally as: NARALjew2)

Kate Michelman
Biography
For more than 18 years, Kate Michelman has served as President of NARAL
Pro-Choice America, catapulting the organization to prominence as the nation's
premier reproductive rights group...
Under Michelman's leadership, NARAL Pro-Choice America has positioned a
woman's freedom to choose as integral to the most fundamental of American
liberties: dominion over one's own life. Vanity Fair Magazine has named Kate one
of America's 200 Women Legends, Leaders, A seasoned lobbyist and skilled
political strategist — Washingtonian magazine named Michelman one of the
capital's 100 most powerful women and The Hill named her one of the top
grassroots/non-profit lobbyists — she has pursued a legislative agenda to keep
abortion legal...
Prior to joining NARAL Pro-Choice America in 1985, Michelman was executive
director of Planned Parenthood in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, where she expanded
the range of reproductive health services available in the area... <end>

-> Thus we see the two largest abortion advocacy groups led by Jewish women.

More insight on who performs the abortions or who advocates it:

http://www.forward.com/issues/2003/03.07.25/news15.html
(Link active June 16, 2004. Archived locally as: forward_news15)

ADL, B'nai B'rith Join Fight Against Judicial Nominee
By ORI NIR
FORWARD STAFF
WASHINGTON — President Bush's pick for a federal appeals judgeship in Atlanta
is drawing strong opposition from Jewish groups, including three organizations
that usually refuse to take sides in judicial fights.
Officials at the Anti-Defamation League, B'nai B'rith International and
American Jewish Congress said that they felt obligated to abandon their typical
silence on judicial nominees, given what they described as the extremist views
of Alabama Attorney General William Pryor. Those two groups have joined the
National Council of Jewish Women, the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism
and many liberal nonsectarian organizations in opposing Pryor's nomination...
Pryor has strongly criticized the Roe v. Wade ruling legalizing abortion. "On
January 22, 1973, seven members of [the] court swept aside the laws of the 50
states and created — out of thin air — a constitutional right to murder an
unborn child," Pryor said in 1997.
Kaplan, of B'nai B'rith, described Pryor's views as "extraordinarily extreme."
Kaplan noted that it has been years since his organization took a public
position on a judicial nominee — so long, in fact, that he could not remember
when the last time was that it made such a move. "There comes a time when [a
nominee] appears to be that extreme, that you're compelled to take a position,
even though it is not what you do in the normal course of events," Kaplan said.

<end>

http://www.catholic.net/rcc/Periodicals/Igpress/CWR/CWR0897/book.html
(Link active June 16, 2004, Archived locally as: CWR0897)

Faithful for Life: the Autobiography of Father Paul Marx, Human Life
International, 1997

[...]

Human Life International recently hosted its 1997 World Conference for Love,
Life and the Family in St. Paul, Minnesota. That city's Archbishop Harry J.
Flynn created quite a stir a few days prior to the conference by reneging on his
commitment to celebrate Mass with Fr. Marx at St. Paul Cathedral. Archbishop
Flynn explained his sudden reversal by saying that believes Father Marx had made
some "anti-Semitic" remarks--comments concerning American secular Jews who have
betrayed their Judaism by their involvement in the abortion industry. Flynn made
his decision to withdraw only after an ecumenical group called the Interfaith
Council brought some excerpts from Fr. Marx's writings to his attention.

The archbishop's absence, however, was only part of a larger plan of opposition
to the HLI meeting, orchestrated by the Fight the Right Coalition (FRC), which
twice disrupted the conference proceedings, and also "demonstrated" on the steps
of St. Paul Cathedral by offering vulgar gestures, same-sex kissing, nudity, and
signs which read, "My body, my choice, my fist!"

HLI subsequently produced a transcript of a panel discussion sponsored by the
Militant Labor Forum at which Michelle Gross of the FRC revealed: "Our coalition
has formed a number of activities to take on [HLI] in the streets and we also
began to do some behind-the-scenes organizing." Speaking to the fact that
Archbishop Flynn decided against celebrating Mass with Fr. Marx, she continued:

That happened not because he suddenly woke up one day and saw the light...
Representatives of our organizations met with the Interfaith Council, including
some rabbis and Catholic leadership... Those representatives of the Interfaith
Council went to the archbishop, and based on their meeting he decided to pull
out.

As Father Marx makes clear in his autobiography, the Flynn incident is typical
of the ongoing saga of HLI's relationship with the world. Wherever Father Marx
has traveled to preach his pro-life message (especially in North America), he
has invariably met with vicious propaganda campaigns perpetrated by the likes of
the International Planned Parenthood Federation and the National Organization
for Women, and has been rejected by local Catholics, including bishops and
priests, all the while being welcomed by the thousands of pro-life and
pro-family activists who promote HLI's message that being pro-life is not
limited to a single-issue but permeates one's entire lifestyle.

Varieties of opposition

Archbishop Flynn's false accusation of Fr. Marx's anti-Semitism was not the
first of its kind. Commenting on this in Faithful for Life, Fr. Marx writes:

In 1987 HLI made a careful study of involvement in the world-wide abortion
movement. The undisputed conclusion of this study was that a disproportionately
large number of Jews who are disloyal to Jewish teachings have led and are
leading the campaign for legalized abortion. We then consulted the Orthodox Jews
who confirmed these findings. If a large and disproportionate group of Mormons
or Indians... had surfaced, we would have published this too. We have deplored
the horrendous Holocaust, in which some six million Jews died at Hitler's hands,
and have compared it to the greater worldwide "holocaust" of unborn babies
slaughtered daily. At no time have we ever condemned the Jewish people--our
targets have only been Jewish abortionists, and not because they are Jewish...

<end>

Here is ADL's Abe Foxman showing his hypocrisy and his "pro-abortion" position.
If ADL is so virulent against the "anti-abortion" stance then the ADL must be
"pro-abortion."

http://www.adl.org/poisoning_web/anti_abortion.asp
(Link active June 16, 2004. Archived locally as: anti_abortion)
Poisoning the Web: Hatred Online
"Anti-Abortion Extremism in Cyberspace:
The Creator's Rights Party
A 54-year-old Georgia native and self-taught computer consultant, Neal Horsley
leads the militant anti-abortion Creator's Rights Party. Horsley developed his
extremist views in the 1980s, while a scholarship student at Westminster
Theological Seminary in Glenside, Pennsylvania, a conservative seminary with
Presbyterian roots... <end>

http://www.forward.com/issues/2003/03.06.13/news1.html
(Link active June 16, 2004. Archived locally as: forward_news0306)

Liberals Vow Court Fight Over Limit On Abortion
'Partial Birth' Ban Faces Challenge
By ORI NIR
FORWARD STAFF

WASHINGTON — Liberal groups are vowing a constitutional court challenge if
President Bush follows through on his promise to sign the first federal law
banning an abortion procedure.
The measure, a ban on a procedure widely known as "partial birth abortion,"
passed the House of Representatives last week by a wide margin, after the Senate
approved an almost identical bill in March. Bush, who is expected to receive a
final version of the bill shortly, has promised to sign it. A broad coalition of
liberal organizations and abortion-rights groups is set to challenge the ban in
court as soon as it is signed.
The calls to overturn the bill have been endorsed by several major Jewish
organizations, including some that initially appeared hesitant to sign on. Most
mainstream Jewish groups have been reluctant to challenge the Bush
administration on domestic issues in recent months, torn between the liberal
views of constituents and the attachment of top leaders to Israeli security
needs. The congressional victory of the anti-abortion forces appears to have
stirred the groups to action, however.
"This is a huge deal. It is the first time the federal government is
criminalizing an abortion procedure," said Shelley Klein, director of American
affairs and domestic policy at Hadassah, the women's Zionist organization. "That
is very serious, but we strongly believe it is unconstitutional." ...
Abortion-rights activists say the ban is just one piece of a concerted effort
by anti-abortion groups to prepare the ground for overturning Roe v. Wade. The
strategy of such groups, according to Ellen Witman, co-director of Washington
operations for the National Council of Jewish Women, is to make as many gains as
possible through legislation while "packing the [lower] courts with
anti-abortion judges" — in anticipation of a change in the makeup of the Supreme
Court...
Another piece of legislation being pushed by anti-abortion groups is the
Unborn Victims of Violence Act, which the Senate is expected to pass later this
month. The bill, which has already cleared the House, recognizes a fetus as a
crime-victim in cases where a fetus is injured or killed as a result of a
federal crime. The House has renamed it "Laci and Conner's Law," after murder
victim Laci Peterson and her unborn son. A Newsweek poll taken earlier this year
found that 84% of Americans support pressing homicide charges when a fetus is
killed in the womb during a physical assault.
Statistics on Jewish opinion specifically regarding partial birth abortion
were not available. However, repeated polls during the past 15 years have found
a huge gap between Jews and non-Jews on other abortion-related issues, with Jews
overwhelmingly in favor of unrestricted abortion rights while non-Jews are more
divided.
A 2000 survey sponsored by Center for Jewish Community Studies, a conservative
Philadelphia think tank, found that 65% of Jews "strongly agreed" with the idea
that abortion should be readily available and 4% "strongly disagreed." Among
non-Jews, only 30% "strongly agreed" while 26% "strongly disagreed."
Overall, including those who "somewhat" agreed or disagreed, Jews endorsed
abortion rights 88% to 9%, while non-Jews supported them by a narrower 58% to
36% margin.
Jewish groups lined up solidly against a more broadly-worded ban on partial
birth abortion that was adopted in Nebraska in 1997. The Supreme Court
overturned the Nebraska law in a 5-to-4 decision in 2000.
This time around, leaders of two Jewish women's organizations, Hadassah and
the National Council of Jewish Women, responded promptly to the congressional
vote with declarations that their groups will definitely join the legal fight.
Officials at the American Jewish Committee and the American Jewish Congress did
not issue public statements, but said in response to inquiries that they were
likely to take part. The Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism publicly
condemned the passage of the bill in the House, but it has not yet indicated if
it will join in any legal action.
The Anti-Defamation League, which filed a court brief against the Nebraska
ban, said it has not adopted an official position on the congressional measure.
Gloria Feldt, president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, said
the organization would seek an injunction to stop its implementation... <end>

The above revelations are from the Jewish FORWARD!!

Funny thing about the ADL- they claim at their website the following: "The
Anti-Defamation League, founded in 1913, is the world's leading organization
fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that counteract hatred,
prejudice and bigotry." YET above we see the ADL "fil[ing] a court brief against
the Nebraska [partial birth abortion] ban"! What does abortion have to do with
fighting anti-semitism not unless of course abortion is a "Jewish thing!"

More regarding ADL not "fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services
that counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry" BUT filing briefs against
pro-lifers in courts which is a vast deviation from their tax exempt mission:

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2001/jun/01061903.html
(Link active July 29, 2004. Archived locally as: 01061903)
JEWISH ANTI-DEFAMATION LEAGUE TO MONITOR PRO-LIFE WEBSITES
NEW YORK, June 19, 2001 (LSN.ca) - The U.S. Jewish Anti-Defamation League
(ADL) has once again demonstrated its transformation into a leftist activist
group rather than a defender of the rights of Jews...
The ADL aggressive pro-abortion stand was confirmed when in a June 28, 2000
press release they cheered the Supreme Court decision barring a partial-birth
abortion ban in Nebraska and admitted that the ADL had "filed an amicus curiae
or 'friend of the court' brief which said the Nebraska law unconstitutionally
interfered in matters of individual choice." <END>

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/CvlRt_32/4381_32.htm
(Link active July 29, 2004. Archived locally as: 4381_32)
Senate Passage of Abortion Bill Curtails a Woman's Right to Choose
New York, NY, October 21, 2003 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) criticized
today's approval by the U.S. Senate of legislation which would curtail women's
constitutional right to make their own reproductive choices. The bill
criminalizing the midterm dilation and extraction procedure – misleadingly
referred to as "partial-birth abortion" – was approved by the House in June.
President Bush has announced his intention to sign the measure into law.
"This legislation wrongly intrudes on an individual's most personal decisions.
The government should not interfere in matters of individual conscience," said
Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director. "This measure imposes an
unconstitutional burden on individual privacy and religious liberty. In a
country of varied religious and personal beliefs, the Constitution clearly
mandates that the government should not pick sides and impose one view on all
citizens."
In 2000, in Stenberg v. Carhart, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down a similar
broad ban in Nebraska. ADL, along with 53 other organizations, filed an amicus
curiae or "friend of the court" brief... <END>

I WISH ADL's ABE FOXMAN WOULD SHOW US WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION A WOMAN IS GIVEN
THE "RIGHT" TO MURDER HER UNBORN CHILD!!!!!

Leave it to the True Christ Hater Anti-Christs to prevent children from coming
to Jesus. As the scripture states concerning how Jesus views children:

Matthew 18:1-5;19:13-15 :: New International Version (NIV)
Matthew 18
The Greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven
1 At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Who is the greatest in
the kingdom of heaven?"
2 He called a little child and had him stand among them.
3 And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little
children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
4 Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the
kingdom of heaven.
5"And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me.
Matthew 19
13 Then little children were brought to Jesus for him to place his hands on them
and pray for them. But the disciples rebuked those who brought them.
14 Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for
the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."
15 When he had placed his hands on them, he went on from there.

Are devilish anti-Christ abortionists allowing the children come to Jesus or
allowing the murdered unborn a chance to come to Christ? No person, institution
(such as a "Christian Charity Hospital") can claim to be Christian who/which
engages in wholesale killing of millions of unborn and this is why Jews are
dominant in the abortion business!

--------Special note on ADL and B'nai Brith------------
The ADL is actually a "subsidiary" of the B'nai Brith:
http://www.bnaibrith.ca/league/league.htm
(Archived locally as: bb_ca_league)
"Report an Anti-Semitic/Racist Incident 1-800 892-BNAI
The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada is dedicated to
combatting antisemitism, racism, and bigotry. The objectives of the League
include the protection of human rights of all Canadians, the development
of positive inter-community relations, and the elimination of racial
discrimination and antisemitism. Working in co-operative association with
the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai Brith, the League for Human Rights of
B'nai Brith Canada accomplishes its goals through: Legal/Legislative
Initiatives ...."

Also as a fact B'nai Brith has abused its tax exempt status to give financial
aid to a rabid anti-Christian and anti-American communist named David Lethbridge
and it is fully documented here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=4186tvsr4d3oiodp2nibbuvuj91rakvimb%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED! B'nai Brith Allies Itself With Communist David Lethbridge
Against Capitalism, and Christianity V2.0 R_1207
Message-ID: <4186tvsr4d3oiodp2...@4ax.com>
Date: 7 Dec 2003 12:48:39 GMT

The above archive also documents B'nai Brith's claim they are the world's
largest Jewish organization! Imagine the world's largest Jewish organization
giving financial aid to a communist who is famous for bashing Christians and
Capitalists and at the same time having its ADL file court briefs on the behalf
of Jewish abortionists to have any limit to abortion to not get passed as law!!!

--------End of Special note on ADL and B'nai Brith--------------------------

The following is the Cincinnati Enquirer and NOT The National Enquirer:

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/1998/09/17/loc_jewish17.html
(Link active July 29, 2004. Archived locally as: loc_jewish17)
Jewish Hospital chief steps down
---------------------------------
Thursday, September 17, 1998

BY TIM BONFIELD
The Cincinnati Enquirer
Warren Falberg, longtime top executive for Jewish Hospital, announced
Wednesday that he will resign, effective Sept. 25.
Mr. Falberg was the chief executive at the city's fourth-largest
hospital and nation's oldest Jewish hospital for 22 years, including the most
tumultuous years in its 148-year history. Most recently, he was senior executive
officer of the Jewish Hospital and a senior vice president of the Health
Alliance of Greater Cincinnati.
Mr. Falberg, 60, is leaving in anticipation of a sweeping management
reorganization at the Health Alliance, a change he said he supports even though
it has no place for him.
"It was time," Mr. Falberg said. "The organization is in a major mode of
change and I did not see myself having a role in that change."
The Health Alliance, formed in 1995 as partnership between the Christ
and University hospitals...
In 1993, Mr. Falberg took the heat when Jewish Hospital decided to end
its policy of permitting abortion on demand. The decision was an effort to make
the hospital more attractive in alliance talks with other local hospitals...
<END>

The bottom line is: The Jewish Hospital had to stop its abortion on demand
service to become more attractive to "Christian" Hospitals for the purpose of
forming an alliance.

Moving on:

http://www.adl.org/presrele/asus_12/3265_12.asp
(Link active June 16, 2004. Archived locally as: 3265_12)

Press Release Anti-Semitism-USA

ADL Investigation Reveals Strain of Anti-Semitism in Extreme Factions of the
Anti-Abortion Movement

New York, NY, October 30, 1998…A strain of anti-Semitism runs through the
extreme factions of the anti-abortion movement, according to the Anti-Defamation
League (ADL). In the days following the fatal shooting of Dr. Barnett Slepian, a
Buffalo, NY gynecologist-obstetrician who performed abortions, speculation has
surfaced as to whether Dr. Slepian may have been targeted because he was a Jew.
Four of the five abortion providers shot by a sniper or snipers in Canada and
the United States since 1994 have been Jewish.

"While there is no evidence to suggest that anti-Semitism was a motive for the
attacks, we are deeply concerned about the strain of anti-Semitism running
through some extreme factions of the movement," said Abraham H. Foxman ADL
National Director. "They make insidious claims that Jewish doctors control the
practice and industry of abortion, often comparing them to Nazi war criminals."

[...]

The Anti-Defamation League, founded in 1913, is the world's leading organization
fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that counteract hatred,
prejudice and bigotry.

<end>

-> FOUR OUT OF FIVE ABORTIONISTS KILLED WERE JEWS! I BET THE OTHER WAS A SECULAR
HUMANIST GENTILE.

As for Abe Foxman's whine: "They make insidious claims that Jewish doctors
control the practice and industry of abortion, often comparing them to Nazi war
criminals." How do you explain the leadership of the two largest abortion
advocacy groups being led by Jews? How do you explain the absence of "Pro-Life"
Jews in the American Congress and how do you explain your own observation of
"Four of the five abortion providers shot by a sniper or snipers in Canada and
the United States since 1994 have been Jewish." Finally how do you explain all
of the following Abe Foxman?

I also invite one and all to consider this vintage post of mine:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=35488b33.219890968%40news.tavish-central.net&rnum=8
Subject: Re: WONG is Right! Jews support abortion - the evidence is
overwhelming! (Re: More Jewish Support of Butchery Known as Abortion <> Jewish
Community Relations Council >) Date: 1998/04/30
Message-ID: <35488b33....@news.tavish-central.net>

MY CHALLENGE #1 -> I want anyone to show any other "world religion" - i.e.
Muslim, Hindu, Shinto, Buddhist, etc. that takes such of an active role in the
promotion of infanticide aka abortion. We all know that each major organization
may have splinter sects that approve abortion BUT we do not see any "world
religion" as a whole defending and promoting abortion such as Judaism! Read all
the documented links, verify them and then ask yourselves if Jewry as a whole
deserves the "Holocaust" sympathy they currently receive! I hope the following
awakes millions up from their slumber concerning these hypocrites who like
wallowing in their own misery while actively advocating death for the unborn.

MY CHALLENGE #2 -> I wish to make this challenge to all Americans- name one Jew
in Congress who is pro-life and has a record of voting against any bill that
condones abortion. Can you name one? I can't! Did you know that the legislation
written by two Jews (one each in the House and Senate) became Law and is now
used to harass abortion protestors such as Operation Rescue? Click this link and
see who these two Jews were and the bill numbers and their exact text that
became law:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=abts9t01vldb7n7g5vpqeetkt9cd2vp5ts%404ax.com&rnum=14
Subject: Operation Rescue West Seeks $500,000 Reward (REPOST)..
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 10:18:58 -0600
Message-ID: <abts9t01vldb7n7g5...@4ax.com>

MY CHALLENGE #3 -> Jewish Empathy for Blood of Innocents? ABORTION <<<Do The
Numbers>>> Folks I have a minor proposition for all of you to consider. It is a
mathematical problem of sorts and its variables are not absolutes. I only give
generally accepted variables (rounded figures) or arbitrary variables as
starting points.

The problem is- which group of people actually have more blood guilt in spilling
the blood of innocents?

Here are the variables (as they apply to present day United States):

The Nazi Third Reich lasted for 12 years from 1933 to 1945 as compared to Roe Vs
Wade (legalization of abortion on demand) ~27 years [1973 to February 3, 2000]
for ease of computation-- twice as long in rounded figures.

Again in "rounded figures" and I would appreciate documented exact numbers if
they are available- there were at least 1,000,000 Nazis and the United States
has 1,000 abortion doctors at the beckoning call which means Nazis outnumbered
abortionists at least a 1,000 to 1.

The generally accepted figure of "Holocaust" victims is 6,000,000 while
Operation Rescue with numbers verified by Alan Guttmacher Institute gives
abortions a number of over 35,000,000 or about six times the death rate in about
twice the time.

Now run this premise through your heads and let it soak in. Not all Nazis ever
physically took a life BUT all abortionists have! Going by arbitrary ratios of
1,000,000 Nazis killing 6,000,000 Jews we see that each Nazi would have had to
kill 6 Jews personally and as we all know- not all Nazis did any actual killings
on the other hand if the U.S. has 1,000 abortion doctors (of which each and
everyone of them has taken life as a fact) and they collectively performed over
35,000,000 abortions then that would mean each doctor for his part would have
had to "kill" at least 35,000 babies or roughly 1522 babies a year or ~127 a
month which could be easily done with only 4 "procedures" done daily.

Again all the above are arbitrary numbers meant to evoke your thoughts and for
conjecture!

<<-->>

SPECIAL ALERT TO LOOK FOR KEY PASSAGES -> From the material below take notice of
what Jewry said in these chosen "snippets":

"In the fall of 1992, when Operation Rescue mobilized an anti-abortion campaign
in Wichita, Kan, Jewish groups were at the foreground of its opposition."

"This is not a pro-choice state," a staffer at the New Orleans Federation told
New Voices... Shows of Jewish support like in.. Louisiana are scarce. In fact,
according to some Jewish leaders, such actions are not needed, since Jewish
women do not abort."

<<Tavish comment on "In fact, according to some Jewish leaders, such actions are
not needed, since Jewish women do not abort." -> IOW the Anti-Christs earn their
blood money mainly upon non-Jews who they look down upon as pagans, idolaters,
cutheans, heathens etc. I will show links and their own words which prove that
is how non-Jews are viewed by non-Jews at the bottom of this posting!>>

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SPECIAL COMMENT ON: "since Jewish women do not abort" then it is Gentile babies
the anti-Christs are murdering! Jews are predominant in abortion whether it be
doctors, training or Pro-Death Rights etc. Abortion is still another HOLOCAUST
Jews are waging or have waged against non-Jews since the 1st Century as
documented in this archive:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=5rhktv483m9oofgqt8goir93o4pm08ht49%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial in
Addition to Their anti-Christic Christ Denial anti-Christism
Message-ID: <5rhktv483m9oofgqt...@4ax.com>
Also see:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=dgp5g0po2nirmqkejcu2tf53cun8pv64gc%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Israel Kills Palestinian Boys, Steals Organs For Transplants V2.5
S_0723 Message-ID: <dgp5g0po2nirmqkej...@4ax.com>
Date: 24 Jul 2004 22:42:55 GMT
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"According to Planned Parenthood, Long Island Jewish Hospital is among a dozen
hospitals nationwide that teaches abortion procedures to their resident doctors.
Another organization, the Jewish Communal Fund, supports Planned Parenthood with
financial contributions."

In other words these Jews are fighting for the "right" of non-Jewish women to
abort! Does it not seem strange that Jews are interested in preserving "rights"
for others when they themselves don't elect to use them? Have any of you ever
wondered what the ratio of abortion doctors is? How many Jewish versus Gentile
abortionists? How many mainline religions support abortion the way that Jewish
religious groups do? Think about it!

Classic Doc Tavish Repost From the Vintage Archives
[Not all links may still be active many of the links quoted are at least two
years old. Tavish comment February 1, 2000]

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3547a05d.159763437%40news.tavish-central.net&rnum=5
"More Jewish Support of Butchery Known as Abortion <> Jewish Community Relations
Council >" Message-ID: <3547a05d....@news.tavish-central.net>

Jewish Community Relations Council

http://www.jcrc.org/main/women.htm
[Link active February 1, 2000] Link expired but is cached at GOOGLE (6-10-2003):
http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:iEvyWQW0kRQJ:www.jcrc.org/main/women.htm++%22JCRC+firmly+endorses+the+right+of+women+to+reproductive+choice%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
(Archived locally as: google-women)
http://web.archive.org/web/20020615141556re_/www.jcrc.org/main/women.htm
(Link active January 24, 2004. Archived locally as: jcrc_women)

"JCRC firmly endorses the right of women to reproductive choice. We are
concerned about the new-found strength of abortion opponents in Congress."

"Long supportive of a woman's legal right to reproductive choice, JCRC opposes
legislation, citizen initiatives and other measures that seek to weaken the
guarantees of a woman's right and access to reproductive services."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

More on Jewry supporting infanticide:

The Jewish Communication Network

http://web.archive.org/web/20001101020058re_/www.jcn18.com/jsps/oct1995/page9.htm
(Link active January 24, 2004. Archived locally as: jcn_page9)

Abortion: On the Line

Also see: http://x2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=311967088&fmt=text
http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djq&selm=an_311967088
Message-ID: <34abf874....@news.smart1.net>

"B'nai B'rith Women has been one of dozens of Jewish organizations that have
made their pro-choice stance publicly known and have rallied around women's
right to choose abortion. Here, activists participated in the March for Women's
Lives in Washington, D.C. in 1992." [Caption quote from web site picture.]

Where Do Jewish Groups Stand?
By Udi Ofer, Staff Writer

"One Jewish organization which has been vocal in the past and continues to
support access to abortion is the Union of American Hebrew Congregations, the
Reform movement's umbrella organization. Even before Roe Vs. Wade, the 1973
landmark Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion, the UAHC passed a
resolution in favor of a woman's right to choose. "We commend those states which
have enacted humane legislation in this area (abortion) and we appeal to other
states to do likewise and permit abortions under such circumstances as
threatened disease or deformity of the embryo or fetus, threats to the physical
and mental health of the mother, rape and incest and the social, economic and
psychological factors that might warrant therapeutic termination of pregnancy,"
the November 1967 UAHC position paper stated.

After Roe vs. Wade passed, the UAHC stated in 1975: "We oppose those riders and
amendments to other bills aimed at halting Medicaid, legal counseling and family
services in abortion-related activities...We are opposed to attempts to restrict
the right to abortion through constitutional amendments."

However, these were only organizational proclamations. And as the years pass, so
did more resolutions.

In 1994, various occurrences of clinic violence erupted throughout the country.
Headlining these events were the murders of Dr. John Britton and James Barrett
at a Pensacola, Fl. clinic. Immediately, the Jewish community mobilized by
rushing to its fax machines with press releases. "We call on leaders of the
anti-abortion movement not only to condemn these outrageous murders and all
violence at and about abortion clinics but to abandon the rhetoric of murder and
hate which encourages those in this movement to believe such acts of violence
are justifiable," stated the AJCongress after the murders.

But not all national organizations restrict themselves to decrees. In the fall
of 1992, when Operation Rescue mobilized an anti-abortion campaign in Wichita,
Kan, Jewish groups were at the foreground of its opposition. For weeks violent
anti-abortion protests and clinic violence dominated the Wichita. In the end,
however, Operation Rescue was run out of town.

"B'nai Brith Women helped women secure safe access to clinics in Wichita, by
organizing the community to work with city legislature," said Aileen Cooper, the
public affairs coordinator at BBW. According to Maya Townsend, also of BBW,
members of the organization became part of an escort service to assist women in
securing access to abortion providers. The escort service protected women from
harassment from abortion foes. BBW was also a member of the Kansas Choice
Alliance, a local pro-choice movement.

Another Jewish leader who has taken action in the issue of abortion is Rabbi
Michael Matuson.

In 1992, Rabbi Matuson challenged the Louisiana state legislature in its strict
new anti-abortion laws. The Reform rabbi volunteered as a plaintiff in a lawsuit
seeking an injunction to prevent enforcement of the new law. Immediately
following his challenge, Rabbi Matuson and his Baton Rouge congregation received
death threats. However this did not stop the rabbi, and eventually the
anti-abortion law was overturned. When asked whether he received any support
from the Jewish community, Matuson replied "the UAHC and the Central Conference
of American Rabbi's supported me. However, I did receive much opposition. Though
it was inappropriate for me to get involved, I did anyway." "This is not a
pro-choice state," a staffer at the New Orleans Federation told New Voices.

Shows of Jewish support like in Wichita and Louisiana are scarce. In fact,
according to some Jewish leaders, such actions are not needed, since Jewish
women do not abort.

Rabbi Israel Vana and Rabbi William Schwartz now live in Pensacola, Fl. Both are
Conservative rabbis and both agree that women should have a choice on abortion.
However, when asked how the Jewish community reacted to the murders at the
Pensacola clinic, neither were able to state a specific action that was taken on
the part of the Jewish community. But both remembered that various organizations
passed resolutions condemning the act. Neither Vana nor Schwartz lived in
Pensacola at that time. When asked if a woman in their congregations had ever
sought an abortion, both replied with a terse, " it never happened." This is
strange to Cooper, who cites a 1985 survey of 485 Jewish women conducted by BBW
that concluded that 91 percent of Jewish American women are pro-choice.
According to BBW's survey, of 471 non-Jewish women, 56 percent were pro-choice.
When asked how is it that the rabbi's insist that the Jewish women in their
congregations have not approached their rabbis about abortion, Cooper replied
that it is between woman and doctor and does not usually involve a rabbi. The
United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, believe that the only way to decide on
whether to decide on whether to abort is through one's rabbi. In its resolution,
it stated that abortion should only be allowed "under certain unfortunate
circumstances." It is up to rabbi to decide which "circumstances" are
"unfortunate."

Other organizations decide to neither pass resolutions nor take action on the
issue of abortion.

"Judaism is neither pro-choice nor pro-life," insisted Amy Bebchick, the
Mitchell Fellow at Hillel: The Foundation for Jewish Campus Life. Hillel, an
international Jewish student organization, with more than 100 chapters
nationwide, lets every chapter create its own policy concerning every issue. If
they want to take action, whether pro-choice or pro-life, they may.

Other organizations show support in different ways.

According to Planned Parenthood, Long Island Jewish Hospital is among a dozen
hospitals nationwide that teaches abortion procedures to their resident doctors.
Another organization, the Jewish Communal Fund, supports Planned Parenthood with
financial contributions."

~~~~~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~~~~~

There you have it folks. The world's largest Jewish Organization, the ADL and
Union of American Hebrew Congregations are all for abortion! I did NOT delete
one word form the texts above and I provided the click links so anyone may
verify that I showed exactly what the Jews wrote.

New addition June 10, 2003:
http://www.uscj.org/scripts/uscj/paper/article.asp?ArticleID=396
(Archived locally as: uscj_ArticleID396)
"Judaism has a great deal to say about the issue of abortion, and Jewish law
provides both legal guidance and ethical insights. Affirming the religious
nature of this issue, much of the mainstream Jewish community, including The
United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, has supported laws to maintain the
legality and accessibility of abortion."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A "SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN" MAKES APOLOGIA FOR INFANTICIDE

http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/judaism.html
[All links active February 1, 2000] Still active 6-10-2003
(Archived locally as: JudeAbortion)
Complete text: http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/comp.html <DEAD
(Archived locally as: JudeAbortionComp)
http://web.archive.org/web/20030608125531re_/www.rcrc.org/religion/es/comp.html
(New link active January 24, 2004. Archived locally as: JudeAbortion_0)

Judaism and Abortion

By Rabbi Raymond A. Zwerin and Rabbi Richard J. Shapiro

The issue of abortion in Jewish life is both complex and
multi-faceted, with roots going back to the Bible. Its complexity is due, in
large measure, to the reluctance of Jewish legal authorities to establish a
single principle by which to determine the morality of abortion. Within the
context of an overriding Jewish concern for the sanctity of human life, legal
authorities have relied largely on individual cases and derivative legal
concepts in determining when an abortion may take place. Especially during the
past century, the increased diversity of traditions and practices within the
Jewish community has naturally led to a diversity of approaches to the abortion
issue. Nonetheless, out of this complex diversity a clear, general concept can
be adduced from the centuries of Jewish tradition; and, it is that concept which
this article will address.

There are four aspects to the issue of abortion in Jewish tradition:

(1) the legal status of the embryo/fetus,
http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section1.html <DEAD
http://web.archive.org/web/20030624040154re_/www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section1.html
(New link active January 24, 2004. Archived locally as: JudeAbortion_1)

"The Legal Status of the Embryo/Fetus
According to Jewish law, a fetus is not considered a full human being and has no
juridical personality of its own. While recognizing the potentiality of becoming
human, Rashi, the great 12th century commentator on the Bible and Talmud, states
clearly of the fetus "lav nefesh hu--it is not a person." The Talmud contains
the expression "ubar yerech imo--the fetus is as the thigh of its mother," i.e.,
the fetus is deemed to be part and parcel of the pregnant woman's body.

[...]

Jewish law is quite clear: while the fetus in the womb is to be protected as a
potential human being, it has no personhood; it is not a bar kayamah (a viable,
living being), thus, it is not accorded any of the rights or privileges of a
human being."
[excerpt]

(2) the time of ensoulment;
http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section2.html <DEAD
http://web.archive.org/web/20030624040444re_/www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section2.html
(New link active January 24, 2004. Archived locally as: JudeAbortion_2)

"The Time of Ensoulment
While the status of a fetus is of interest with regard to the ultimate question
of the morality of abortion, so, too, is the issue of
ensoulment. Namely, at what moment does the soul enter the body? In Jewish legal
tradition, there are several theories. The most famous text in this regard is
from the Talmud and concerns a somewhat strange dialogue between the Roman
Emperor Antoninus and Rabbi Judah the Patriarch, the compiler of the Mishna.[*]

Antoninus asked Rabbi Judah: 'From when is the neshamah (soul) endowed in man:
from the time of birth, or from the moment of intercourse?' Rabbi Judah
answered. `From the time of birth.' The Emperor then asked. `Can meat remain
three days without salt and not putrify?'"

[...]

The Rabbis were saying, in effect, that the moment of ensoulment is unclear at
best, and subject to a great deal of speculation and disagreement. They state,
therefore, that is one of the "secrets of God" that will be revealed only when
the Messiah comes. As a result, the issue of ensoulment plays virtually no role
in Jewish considerations of the morality of abortion." [excerpt]

(3) conditions under which a therapeutic abortion may take place; and
http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section3.html <DEAD
http://web.archive.org/web/20030624040552re_/www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section3.html
(New link active January 24, 2004. Archived locally as: JudeAbortion_3)

"Conditions for Therapeutic Abortions
The issue of therapeutic abortion itself is first dealt with in a second century
Jewish legal text quoted in the Mishna.

If a woman is in hard labor (that threatens her life), one dismembers the fetus
within her and removes it limb by limb, because her life takes precedence over
its life. Once the greater part of it emerges it may not be touched, for we do
not set aside one life for another.

In commenting on this passage, later authorities further define the phrase "the
greater part of it." During a normal delivery, this refers to the emergence of
the forehead, while during a breach birth, this means more than half the body.

There are two principles employed here to arrive at the conclusion that the
abortion is justified. The first and foremost of the two is that the fetus
remains only a potential human life until its emergence from the birth canal.
One must, therefore, sacrifice the potential life in order to save a fully
existent human life, i.e., the pregnant woman in labor.

The second principle deals with the concept of self-defense. In Jewish law, one
is permitted to defend oneself, even to the extent of taking the attacker's life
should one's own life be in jeopardy. This point was brought into the discussion
on abortion when some authorities in the Talmud challenged the prohibition
stated above, of the taking of the life of the now fully human child in order to
save the life of its mother. It was argued that the principle of the aggressor
ought to apply here. Since it was pursuing its mother with intent to kill one
should be permitted to kill if necessary, even the fetus whose greater portion
had already emerged.

This argument was rejected, however, in favor of a position that the mother is
being pursued "from Heaven;" i.e., that the difficulties she is encountering are
an act of God, and that it is impossible to know, in reality, who is pursuing
whom. The principle of pursuer and self-defense, therefore, cannot be applied in
the case of the child in the process of being born and need not be applied prior
to birth since in that case the pursuer is not a person.

Nonetheless, in the legal code of Maimonides, the great Jewish sage of the 13th
century, the argument of the pursuer was used once again. In commenting on the
passage from the Mishna quoted above, and in stating the rules governing
abortion in his code, Maimonides utilizes the pursuer justification, using the
example of a boat about to sink from its load. In order to lighten the load, a
passenger without baggage steps forward and proceeds to throw overboard the
baggage and a mule belonging to the others. Maimonides states that that person
is not liable for restitution to the owners, for the baggage and the mule are
pursuers, "seeking" to kill them all." [excerpt]

(4) conditions under which a non-therapeutic abortion may take place.
http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section4.html <DEAD
http://web.archive.org/web/20030624040758re_/www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section4.html
(New link active January 24, 2004. Archived locally as: JudeAbortion_4)

"Conditions for Non-Therapeutic Abortions

The guidelines for deciding cases of accidental and therapeutic abortion, then,
are reasonably clear-cut, even though there is some disagreement concerning the
proper justification. Such cannot be said once one turns to the topic of a
non-therapeutic abortion. Here the relevant literature is the Responsa--
questions written to and responses written by rabbinic authorities from the 10th
century to today. It is also here that a divergence in opinion begins to emerge.
Such divergence is due initially to differing understandings of Maimonides' use
of the pursuer argument, cited above. Later, in the 19th and 20th centuries, it
becomes part and parcel of the diversity within Judaism itself as liberal
streams of Jewish tradition and observance emerge. There are many relevant
Responsa concerning abortion, several of which follow. In all of them, the
principles are those described above. Note, however, how different
understandings of these principles lead to different conclusions.

The first case concerns a child who is nursing and cannot survive without his
mother's milk, being allergic to all other forms of nutrition. The mother,
however, having become pregnant once again, sees that her milk has now ceased
flowing. Here, where the issue is saving the life of a third party, as opposed
to the pregnant woman herself, two different authorities mandate the performance
of an abortion to save the life of the existing child.

Other cases emerge today as a result of a better understanding of mental health
issues. The question is whether or not suicidal tendencies in a pregnant woman
(tendencies that might, as a result of the pregnancy itself, impel the woman to
take her own life), justify the performance of an abortion. In this case, even
the most stringent of authorities permit an abortion to save the life of the
pregnant woman.

In past centuries, many other circumstances have come before
rabbinical authorities, as well. One case involved a woman whose pregnancy would
leave her permanently deaf, and while some authorities rejected this as
sufficient grounds for an abortion, no less an authority than a Chief Rabbi of
Israel granted her permission.

In cases involving adultery, there is also a division of opinion. Some invoke
the principle of "let the fruit of the act bear witness to the deed lest
adultery flourish in the land." Others maintain that we must do everything
possible to save the pregnant woman from great mental pain and anguish, shame
being the greatest mental pain. And in several cases involving rape, this latter
principle seems to dominate, with many authorities granting permission to take
the steps necessary to ensure that a pregnancy will not result

Yet, in the light of these cases, might one assume that abortion is justifiable
under any and all circumstances? The answer, according to Jewish law, is clearly
"no." The majority of Jewish legal sources indicate that abortion is permissible
at any stage of the pregnancy if the well-being of the pregnant woman is
jeopardized, while it is clearly not permissible if the well-being of the future
child is the issue. This distinction can best be illustrated by the following
example.

Due to modem medical technology a pregnant woman can now be certain, long before
the birth of her child, whether it will be born defective due to rubella or the
taking of Thalidomide during pregnancy, or due to genetic factors such as
Tay-Sachs disease, or due to systematically transmitted diseases such as AIDS,
etc. In all of these cases, abortion is not permitted out of fear or concern
over what the child might have to endure during its life. Its lot in life is not
to be determined nor judged by humanity. Its quality of life is one of the
"secrets of God," and is not open to human judgment. However, some rabbinical
authorities maintain that if the pregnant woman expresses anguish about her own
mental, emotional, or psychological well-being resulting from an impending
birth, then her pain may warrant an abortion. Other rabbinical authorities would
not permit an abortion on such grounds.

In cases of non-therapeutic abortion, then, the major consideration is "the pain
of the mother." It is out of consideration for the woman involved, and not the
fate or condition of the fetus, which becomes the determining factor in
prohibiting or permitting an abortion. And it is precisely on this issue that
diversity of opinion is now the greatest. Not only is the diversity seen between
the various movements in Judaism today, but even within each movement itself. In
addition to traditional Jewish mores and standards, each movement has its own
criteria for determining the permissibility of abortion under other than
therapeutic circumstances."
[quoted in full]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Doesn't the above make you want to vomit? How many hours of media exposure do we
get monthly concerning the "Holocaust" against Jews yet these same Jews favor
and condone the slaughter of millions of innocents!

How can those Devils claim to be doctors walking in ancient traditions of
medicine when they fail to follow the Hippocratic Oath?

Hippocrates (460 - 377 BC)

I swear by Apollo, the Physician, and Aesculapius and All-Heal and all
the gods and godesses that, according to my ability and judgement, I
will keep this Oath and Stipulation:

...I will follow that method of treatment which, according to my ability
and judgement, I consider for the benefit of my patients, and abstain
from whatever is deleterious and mischievous. I will give no deadly
medicine to anyone if asked, nor suggest any such counsel;
furthermore, I will not give to a woman an instrument to produce
abortion.... <END>

"A.D. 1995 Restatement of the Oath of Hippocrates (Circa 400 B.C.)."

I SWEAR in the presence of the Almighty and before my family, my
teachers and my peers that according to my ability and judgment I will
keep this Oath and Stipulation:

...I WILL FOLLOW that method of treatment which according to my ability
and judgment, I consider for the benefit of my patient and abstain
from whatever is harmful or mischievous. I will neither prescribe nor
administer a lethal dose of medicine to any patient even if asked nor
counsel any such thing nor perform act or omission with direct intent
deliberately to end a human life. I will maintain the utmost respect
for every human life from fertilization to natural death and reject
abortion that deliberately takes a unique human life.... <END>

Xref:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3675b70a.609202662%40enews.newsguy.com&rnum=1
Subject: Hippocratic Oath and Abortion - (Abortionists Are NOT Doctors)
Date: 1998/12/15
Message-ID: <3675b70a....@enews.newsguy.com>

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=Hippocratic+Oath&num=100&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&c2coff=1&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=I+will+not+give+to+a+woman+an+instrument+to+produce+an+abortive+remedy&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=off
Results 1 - 100 of about 428 for Hippocratic Oath "I will not give to a woman an
instrument to produce an abortive remedy".

For pictures of the "handiwork" of what Jews embrace and remember this was
brought out above: "According to Planned Parenthood, Long Island Jewish Hospital
is among a dozen hospitals nationwide that teaches abortion procedures to their
resident doctors. Another organization, the Jewish Communal Fund, supports
Planned Parenthood with financial contributions."

Links to pictures (Links active June 16, 2004):
http://www.holylamb.com/abortion1.htm

-> Tavish Comment: I doubt if serial killer/mutilator Jeffrey Dahmer mutilated
his victims to the degree the infanticidal devils do and perhaps if Jeffrey
Dahmer were still alive these pictures would make him nauseous or at least
blush!

http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/000038.shtml
(link active June 16, 2004. Archived locally as: babypics)
These links are to pictures from the link just above and these should make the
pro-death people real proud NOT!
http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/baby2.jpg
http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/baby6.jpg
http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/baby10.jpg
http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/baby12.jpg
http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/baby18.jpg
Is picture 18 an experiment gone awry by Herr Doktor Joseph Mengele at Auschwitz
concentration camp? NO! It is what people would get to see if they got to view
what really transpires at Planned Parenthood!!

Look at those pictures and links and accept the challenge I made at the top of
the page which said:

"I make this challenge regarding the information below. I want anyone to show
any other "world religion" - i.e. Muslim, Hindu, Shinto, Buddhist, etc. that
takes such of an active role in the promotion of infanticide aka abortion. We
all know that each major organization may have splinter sects that approve
abortion BUT we do not see any "world religion" as a whole defending and
promoting abortion such as Judaism! Read all the documented links, verify them
and then ask yourselves if Jewry as a whole deserves the "Holocaust" sympathy
they currently receive! I hope the following awakes millions up from their
slumber concerning these hypocrites who like wallowing in their own misery while
actively advocating death for the unborn."

Doc Tavish Daily Showing the Hypocrisy of Jewry

-> SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIAL

HOW MOST JEWS TRULY VIEW THE NON-JEW

<<Tavish comment: Notice I said MOST JEWS and not all Jews!!>>

Most Jews don't view non-Jews as neighbors! Most Jews, in general, view non-Jews
as unclean and the Rabbis teach their "Disciples" to not to associate with them
and the scriptures and archives below show such teachings.

-> EXAMPLES OF JEWISH RACIAL BIGOTRY AS RECORDED BY NEW TESTAMENT

John 4:6-9 (English-RSV)
6 Jacob's well was there, and so Jesus, wearied as he was with his
journey, sat down beside the well. It was about the sixth hour.
7 There came a woman of Samar'ia to draw water. Jesus said to her,
"Give me a drink."
8 For his disciples had gone away into the city to buy food.
9 The Samaritan woman said to him, "How is it that you, a Jew, ask a
drink of me, a woman of Samar'ia?" For Jews have no dealings with
Samaritans.

John 18:28,29 (English-RSV)
28 Then they led Jesus from the house of Ca'iaphas to the praetorium.
It was early. They themselves did not enter the praetorium, so that
they might not be defiled, but might eat the passover.

[Please do notice: "They themselves did not enter the praetorium, so that they
might not be defiled..." It looks to me as if the Jews are very bigoted when it
comes to Gentiles! (If "whites" were to treat "non-whites" in the same manner
they would no doubt be called racial bigots and they would most likely be
charged with "discrimination" by the government in many circumstances.) Notice,
though, that they thought well enough of Pilate to get him to actually do their
dirty work. Come to think of it Jews haven't changed one bit! They still get
duped Gentiles to do their dirty work for them!]

29 So Pilate went out to them and said, "What accusation do you bring
against this man?"

[Pilate had to go out to them! What disrespect!]

Acts 10:28 (English-RSV)
The Apostle Peter said: "You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a Jew to
associate with or to visit any one of another nation; but God has shown me that
I should not call any man common or unclean."

Acts 10:28 (NIV)
[The Apostle Peter] He said to them: "You are well aware that it is against our
law for a Jew to associate with a Gentile or visit him. But God has shown me
that I should not call any man impure or unclean."

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-> OLD TESTAMENT/OLD COVENANT COMMANDS DONE AWAY WITH BY NEW COVENANT (Jews
still adhere to Old Covenant and they view the following as applicable to them
to this very day!):

Ezra 9:1,2,12 (English-RSV)
1 After these things had been done, the officials approached me and
said, "The people of Israel and the priests and the Levites have not
separated themselves from the peoples of the lands with their
abominations, from the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Per'izzites, the
Jeb'usites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the
Amorites.
2 For they have taken some of their daughters to be wives for
themselves and for their sons; so that the holy race has mixed itself
with the peoples of the lands. And in this faithlessness the hand of
the officials and chief men has been foremost."
12 Therefore give not your daughters to their sons, neither take their
daughters for your sons, and never seek their peace or prosperity,
that you may be strong, and eat the good of the land, and leave it for
an inheritance to your children for ever.'

[Notice the passage: "....never seek their peace or prosperity, that you may be
strong, and eat the good of the land, and leave it for an inheritance to your
children for ever." Don't ever forget this!!! The Pharisaic Jews still believe
this to this very day!!!]

Ezra 10:2,3,10,11,44 (English-RSV)
2 And Shecani'ah the son of Jehi'el, of the sons of Elam, addressed
Ezra: "We have broken faith with our God and have married foreign
women from the peoples of the land, but even now there is hope for
Israel in spite of this.
3 Therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all these
wives and their children, according to the counsel of my lord and of
those who tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done
according to the law.
10 And Ezra the priest stood up and said to them, "You have trespassed
and married foreign women, and so increased the guilt of Israel.
11 Now then make confession to the LORD the God of your fathers, and
do his will; separate yourselves from the peoples of the land and from
the foreign wives."
44 All these had married foreign women, and they put them away with
their children.

[They literally told their Gentile wives and their children to "get lost!"]

If you don't believe Jewry has long wanted to be a Master Race and is
concerned with their genealogy and family tree then read this:

Nehemiah 7:5,6,7,61-65 (English-RSV)
5 Then God put it into my mind to assemble the nobles and the
officials and the people to be enrolled by genealogy. And I found the
book of the genealogy of those who came up at the first, and I found
written in it:
6 These were the people of the province who came up out of the
captivity of those exiles whom Nebuchadnez'zar the king of Babylon had
carried into exile; they returned to Jerusalem and Judah, each to his
town.
7 They came with Zerub'babel, Jeshua, Nehemi'ah, Azari'ah, Raami'ah,
Naham'ani, Mor'decai, Bilshan, Mis'pereth, Bigva'i, Nehum, Ba'anah.
The number of the men of the people of Israel: { a real long list of
Jews and their offspring up to verses 61}
61 The following were those who came up from Tel-me'lah, Tel-har'sha,
Cherub, Addon, and Immer, but they could not prove their fathers'
houses nor their descent, whether they belonged to Israel:
62 the sons of Delai'ah, the sons of Tobi'ah, the sons of Neko'da, six
hundred and forty-two.
63 Also, of the priests: the sons of Hobai'ah, the sons of Hakkoz, the
sons of Barzil'lai (who had taken a wife of the daughters of
Barzil'lai the Gileadite and was called by their name).
64 These sought their registration among those enrolled in the
genealogies, but it was not found there, so they were excluded from
the priesthood as unclean;
65 the governor told them that they were not to partake of the most
holy food, until a priest with Urim and Thummim should arise.

[Read verses 64 & 65 and see that Jews were very much into racism, heritage and
preserving their way as was granted in the Old Covenant/Old Testament BUT such
"commands" were done away by the New Covenant Jesus brought!! Anyone else
wanting to do such in the 21st Century is caled a "racist bigot" except for
Pharisaic Jews who want to be above scrutiny.]

Special Note: To see the modern implementation of the above in Modern Israel and
how the Jews treat non-Jews please see these four archives:

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Subject: Apartheid Laws in Israel (Different Author Series) V3.0
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Subject: Palestine was Changed to a Socialist Jewish State in 1948 by Ben-Gurion
with Communist Soviet Union's Support
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Date: 12 Jul 2003 14:16:47 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=upe9kvor1pdvm2ifa8sfa0qfboa6ull055%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Comparing Israel's "Anti-Christ Activism" to Other Middle East Nations
is NOT a Valid Comparison V2.5 R_0821
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Date: 21 Aug 2003 12:22:34 GMT
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Subject: Israel Kills Palestinian Boys, Steals Organs For Transplants V2.1
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Date: 24 Jan 2004 14:47:48 GMT

NOW FOR WHAT THE TRUE RACIST BIGOTS TEACH TODAY:
(Excerpts from the archives below)

From: "Jews Want Legal and Financial Superiority Over the Non-Jew; Who is NOT a
"Brother" in Their Eyes!":

Deuteronomy 15:2,3 :: New International Version (NIV)
2 This is how it is to be done: Every creditor shall cancel the loan he has made
to his fellow Israelite. He shall not require payment from his fellow Israelite
or brother, because the LORD's time for canceling debts has been proclaimed.
3 You may require payment from a foreigner, but you must cancel any debt your
brother owes you.

FOREIGNER=GENTILE

Here are Jews proving FOREIGNER=GENTILE=NON-JEW=HEATHEN:

http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:HLx2iy_HSsQC:www.torahcc.org/mishna/5762/21-10-01/shabbat.htm+non-Jew+foreigner&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
(Archived locally as: 21-10-01_shabbat)
http://web.archive.org/web/20021118135324re_/www.torahcc.org/mishna/5762/21-10-01/shabbat.htm
(New active link for January 28, 2004. Archived locally as: 21-10-01-shabbat_2
and as: Torah Community Connections Mishna Yomit.htm [This web archive is
complete with all graphics.])

Week 100 - Shabbat - 27 October 2001

BAVA METZIA: CHAPTER 5: MISHNAH 6

One may not accept an ironclad investment from an Israelite, since it is
interest, but one may accept an ironclad investment from heathens. Furthermore,
one may borrow from them and loan to them with interest. The same applies to a
resident alien. An Israelite may loan the money of a heathen with the approval
of the heathen, but not with the approval of an Israelite...

But one may accept an ironclad investment from heathens - since it is permitted
to loan to a non-Jew for interest...

<END>

From: V2.1b Non-Jew Can't Pour Wine for a Jew -- Only a Fellow Jew Can!...

"We are not allowed to drink any wine or grape juice, or any drink
containing wine or grape juice, which has been touched by a non Jew
after the seal of the bottle has been opened.."

"Boiled wine is really for use when a non-Jew would be in the position of
pouring a cup for a Jew. At the seder, that shouldn't be an issue, as your cup
should be poured by a fellow Jew at the table."

"Wine contacted by an idolator at any stage of its preparation is the
basis to prohibit its consumption by a Jew... Kosher wine has two categories.
First is “not mevushal” which means it has not been cooked or boiled. It is
acceptable for a non Jew to handle the bottle as long as the seal is intact.
Once the seal is broken non Jews are prohibited access. The second category is
“mevushal.” The presumption is that wine boiled after pressing is not associated
with pagan use."

<END>

From: Bigotry by Jews Toward Non-Jews (Wine Bigotry) New Findings [In Their Own
Words Series]

"...Yayin Akum - wine touched by a non-Jew: Rabbis prohibited (even to derive
benefit from) the wine of a Jew if it was touched and moved (or even if it may
have been touched) by a non-Jew..."

"If some wine has been extracted from the grapes pressed in a tank, be it even
only a small quantity, or if some wine has been taken out of it into a vessel,
the entire contents of the tank is legally called wine, and it becomes forbidden
by the touch of a non-Jew even if only the kernels or the husks have been
touched. It is, therefore, forbidden to make use of the tanks of grapes found in
the house of a non-Jew, for it is likely that the non-Jew has already extracted
some wine from it. It is forbidden to let a non-Jew press grapes in a tank, even
if such a tank is provided with a stopper.
We must also be careful not to let a non-Jew remove the kernels and the husks
from the wine-press, even after we have already extracted the first and second
wine from it, as they might still be moist with wine.
If a non-Jew has poured water into wine with the intention of diluting it, we
are not allowed to drink from it. But if he had not intended to dilute it, or
even it if is only doubtful whether he has intended to do so, its use is
permissible.
If a non-Jew touches wine by means of something else (not a part of his
body), or if it is touched through his power, a rabbi should be consulted as to
the fitness of the wine.
When we send wine through a non-Jew, we must take the precaution of doubly
sealing the mouth or the faucet of the vessel.
There are many diverse laws regarding the wine that a Jew makes for a
non-Jew, for the purpose of selling it to Jewish consumers. In certain
instances, even double seals and a lock are of no avail. It is necessary to
consult an ordained rabbi as to what procedure to follow in such a case. The
scrupulous should avoid the use of such wine." <END>

<<Tavish comment: Those last two paragraphs should clue the truly clueless in on
how much Jews trust non-Jews!!!>>

Notice Jews teach that the rest of humanity are heathen and pagans!! Is that not
bigoted and hate mongering?

--Jewish Tradition will NEVER teach Non-Jews as being equals--
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Subject: Bigotry by Jews Toward Non-Jews (Wine Bigotry) New Findings [In Their
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Subject: Non-Jews: What is Taught About Them & How They are Viewed by 21st
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Subject: Jews Want Legal and Financial Superiority Over the Non-Jew; Who is NOT
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Subject: Bigoted Reasoning of Jews on Relations with Non-Jews From Chabad
Lubavitch Cyberspace Website
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Pre-Earthly Existence? R_0520
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Subject: UPDATED LINKS!! About Kashrus and Supervision - What Jews Teach
Concerning non-Jews (In Their Own Words Series) V2.0 S_0114
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Subject: V2.1b Non-Jew Can't Pour Wine for a Jew -- Only a Fellow Jew Can!
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Date: 14 Jan 2004 10:39:48 GMT
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Subject: Jews Are Self Admitted "Separatists" and Aliens In Whatever Nation They
Reside In! V3.0b S_0110
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 22:40:23 -0600
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See how the material in the archive below relates to the archive just above:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=4026ec2e.189504119%40tavish-central.net&rnum=1
Subject: Gentiles Used by Jews for Business Gains? S_0208
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Date: 9 Feb 2004 02:08:30 GMT
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Subject: Apartheid Laws in Israel (Different Author Series) V3.0
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Date: 30 Jul 2004 01:22:37 GMT

-> OTHER DISGUSTING ACTIVITY ENGAGED IN BY THE ANTI-CHRISTS AGAINST THE
NON-JEWISH WORLD:

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Subject: White Slavery of Christian Girls - In Israel!! PLUS Jews Dominate
Hollywood and Porn V2.0 R_0507
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 18:32:07 -0500
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Subject: Israel Kills Palestinian Boys, Steals Organs For Transplants V2.1
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Date: 24 Jan 2004 14:47:48 GMT

ALSO SEE:

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Subject: V3.0f Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism V2-0
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:34:42 -0500
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http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=1i7810p7itigphaaq...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Post-Soviet Religion (What Communists did to Christians) V2.0a S_0125
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Subject: Socialism Imported Into America, Canada, Rumania, Hungary, Poland,
Germany, Ukraine, Palestine (Israel) Etc. by Jews (In Their Own Words People!)
V1.0 First Edition
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 01:15:39 -0500
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http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3u3kevget4eif2tsgh5213e8chvlonqcum%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Who says Socialism and Communism aren't the same and are adhered to by
the same people? CP USA Speaks out! R_0613
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Date: 13 Jun 2003 17:50:08 GMT

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Subject: Jews Spitting on Jesus During Aleinu (In Their Own Words Series)
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Date: 13 Jun 2003 17:34:27 GMT

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Subject: Jesus Christ & Deceased Christians- Their Condition According to TALMUD
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Date: 28 Jan 2004 05:36:04 GMT

Joebruno

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Oct 3, 2004, 10:12:16 AM10/3/04

Doc Tavish <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message news:<0g3vl0pq7pl0kkdff...@4ax.com>...

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Why don't you show us proof that anyone has requested this crap.

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>
> SOME SCRIPTURAL REFERENCES -> Here is what the Old Testament (which Jews claim
> to adhere to as authoritative and note what King David says of the unborn and
> what God's LAW is as given to Moses says about causing the death of the unborn):

We've been over this crap before, you preposterous whale:

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Subject: Re: Jewish Empathy for Blood of Innocents? ABORTION <<<Do The
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Date: 2004-02-28 02:32:19 PST

Ward Cleaver <ward_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote in message news:<dgov30t3av90ts0t3...@4ax.com>...
> Repost from January 8, 2002:
>
>

Here ya go:

As Pro-Life Jews, We Will Not Be Deceived By 'Choice'

Jews For Life is an organization created to reflect the traditional
Jewish pro-life perspective on abortion. Our fundamental purpose is to
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serious problem. We see it everywhere; the increase in child abuse,
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>
>

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Oct 4, 2004, 1:54:10 PM10/4/04

Doc Tavish <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message

> Compare verse 24 (just above) with what Jesus said in Matthew Chapter

> 31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold to my teaching,

> 42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I

> 14 Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for

> 7 There came a woman of Samar'ia to draw water. Jesus said to her,

Why do you imagine you know what Jesus said? It's not really _Jesus'_
words you're repeating, is it? You're really quoting words written
decades later by someone:
-- who doesn't give his name,
-- who never claims to have met Jesus and
-- who never claims to have been a witness to the events.

You're quoting legend.

Can I ask, besides Jesus', are there other "quotations" recorded
decades later by anonymous writers who never claim to have met the
speaker and who never claim to have been within ten miles of the
actual events, are there other "quotations" like that that you believe
are accurate? Can you list a few please?

Dirk Hartog

---------------------
I don't care what you believe.
I care what the evidence is.
I care about the reasoning you use to justify your beliefs.

It is not morally acceptable to say ... our story is truth but yours
is myth; ours is history but yours is a lie. It is even less morally
acceptable to ... manufactur[e] defensive or protective strategies
that apply only to one's own story.
[John Crossan, The Birth of Christianity, 1998, pg 28 - 29]

J Young

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Oct 4, 2004, 7:09:07 PM10/4/04

Doc Tavish <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message news:<0g3vl0pq7pl0kkdff...@4ax.com>...

> STOCK DISCLAIMER -> <<<In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C.Sec. 107. - Limitations
> on exclusive rights: Fair use [The fair use of a copyrighted work, including

>.................

I don't believe in any of the religious things you post but, I do
admire how you constantly put "Humphrey the Clown" in his place. Keep
up the good work.

Shawn Hearn

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Oct 5, 2004, 9:33:33 AM10/5/04

In article <0g3vl0pq7pl0kkdff...@4ax.com>,
Doc Tavish <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote:

> SOME SCRIPTURAL REFERENCES -> Here is what the Old Testament (which Jews
> claim
> to adhere to as authoritative and note what King David says of the unborn and
> what God's LAW is as given to Moses says about causing the death of the
> unborn):

Yawn! More ravings. Where's your proof that the Bible means anything?

Eris

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Oct 5, 2004, 9:50:34 AM10/5/04

On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 09:33:33 -0400, Shawn Hearn <sr...@comcast.net>
wrote:

When I look at the area around Jerusalem and the people and their
petty but vicious squabbles, I want to return to the old Norse Gods.

How did we get a crappy middleastern religion foisted on us? Oh yea,
Christianity is an excellent tool for controlling the masses.

Wm Thompson

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Oct 5, 2004, 5:15:29 PM10/5/04

thedir...@yahoo.com (Dirk Hartog) wrote in
news:acf48a55.04100...@posting.google.com:

> Doc Tavish <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message
>> Compare verse 24 (just above) with what Jesus said in Matthew Chapter
>> 31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold to my
>> teaching,
>
>> 42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for
>> I 14 Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder
>> them, for 7 There came a woman of Samar'ia to draw water. Jesus said to
>> her,
>
>
> Why do you imagine you know what Jesus said? It's not really _Jesus'_
> words you're repeating, is it? You're really quoting words written
> decades later by someone:
> -- who doesn't give his name,

Looks like the Disciple Matthew did the writing seeing how his book of
writings was quoted.

> -- who never claims to have met Jesus and

How could he have not met Jesus seeing how he was one of the first
disciples to be chosen?

> -- who never claims to have been a witness to the events.

You are ludicrous which is a trait you pro-deathers have.

> You're quoting legend.

IOW you really have no moral compass so whatever pleases your desires is
go.

> Can I ask, besides Jesus', are there other "quotations" recorded
> decades later by anonymous writers who never claim to have met the
> speaker and who never claim to have been within ten miles of the
> actual events, are there other "quotations" like that that you believe
> are accurate? Can you list a few please?
>

How about the Disciples Matthew, Luke, Mark, John, Peter, and even more?

> Dirk Hartog
>
> ---------------------
> I don't care what you believe.
> I care what the evidence is.
> I care about the reasoning you use to justify your beliefs.
>
> It is not morally acceptable to say ... our story is truth but yours
> is myth; ours is history but yours is a lie. It is even less morally
> acceptable to ... manufactur[e] defensive or protective strategies
> that apply only to one's own story.
> [John Crossan, The Birth of Christianity, 1998, pg 28 - 29]

Isn't that what you have done Dirk?

Wm Thompson

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Oct 5, 2004, 5:22:08 PM10/5/04

Doc Tavish <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in

news:0g3vl0pq7pl0kkdff...@4ax.com:

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> More on Jewry supporting infanticide:

Absolutely brilliant Mr. Tavish. I have already printed out your post and
have distributed many copies and sooner or later the word will get around.
You have great courage and strength for you post what others dare not even
speak.

W.T.

c...@c.cc

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Oct 5, 2004, 8:27:55 PM10/5/04

He does a good job. No, he does a great job. :-)

Dirk Hartog

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Oct 5, 2004, 11:16:57 PM10/5/04

"Wm Thompson" <thomps...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9579A562B...@216.196.97.131...

> thedir...@yahoo.com (Dirk Hartog) wrote in
> news:acf48a55.04100...@posting.google.com:
>
> > Doc Tavish <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message
> > > Compare verse 24 (just above) with what Jesus said in Matthew Chapter
> > > 31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold to my
> > > teaching,
> >
> > > 42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me,
for
> > > I 14 Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not
hinder
> > > them, for 7 There came a woman of Samar'ia to draw water. Jesus said
to
> > > her,
> >
> >
> > Why do you imagine you know what Jesus said? It's not really _Jesus'_
> > words you're repeating, is it? You're really quoting words written
> > decades later by someone:
> > -- who doesn't give his name,
>
> Looks like the Disciple Matthew did the writing seeing how his book of
> writings was quoted.

The names of the people who wrote the Gospels are _not_ recorded in the
gospels themselves, the authorship attributions are creations of 2d century
proto-Catholic legend. No one names the authors of the gospels -- or
mentions the books themselves -- until well into the second century.

"The text itself of each Gospel is anonymous and its title represents what
later tradition had to say about the identity of the author"
[Metzger, Bruce M.. The Canon of the New Testament: Its Origin, Development,
and Significance (1997), pg. 96]
amazon link:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0198269544/paganoriginofthe

> > -- who never claims to have met Jesus and
>
> How could he have not met Jesus seeing how he was one of the first
> disciples to be chosen?

Dear Billy, the gospel writer himself never gives
his name and never claims to have been
a disciple of Jesus.
There is no evidence that anyone called the gospel writer by disciples'
names until the middle of the second century. And the authorship
attributions are palpably false -- as even arch-apologists like BM Metzger
grudgingly admit:

"[I]nternal considerations are such as to cast doubt upon the full accuracy
of the later tradition. In the case of THE FIRST GOSPEL, THE APOSTLE
MATTHEW CAN SCARCELY BE THE AUTHOR; for why should one who presumably had
been an eyewitness of much that he records depend so slavishly upon the
account given by Mark, who had not been an eyewitness? . . . [T]HE FIRST
GOSPEL WAS PUT TOGETHER BY AN UNKNOWN CHRISTIAN who utilized the Gospel of
Mark, the Matthean collection, and other special sources. The name of
Matthew was subsequently transferred from the collection of sayings to the
completed Gospel. "
[Metzger, Bruce M.. The Canon of the New Testament: Its Origin, Development,
and Significance (1997), pg. 96- 7]
amazon link:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0198269544/paganoriginofthe

> > -- who never claims to have been a witness to the events.
>
> You are ludicrous which is a trait you pro-deathers have.

You can't give reasons, so instead you attack: these are Jesus' words
because . . . because I'm a ludicrious pro-deather. Your nasty hatred
betrays you: you do see that having no _reasons_, just superstitions, makes
you look foolish.

> > You're quoting legend.
>
> IOW you really have no moral compass so whatever pleases your desires is
> go.

May I say as well that your Christian quickness to answer simple questions
with vicious, hateful personal attacks -- right out in the open, right where
your angry nastiness is exposed to your Christian brothers -- points to the
deep bigotry of your faith. Your religion teaches you it's _OK_ to hate.
You wouldn't steal in public. You wouldn't cheat or lie or masturbate in
public. But hurtful hateful personal attacks you do openly. You’re not
ashamed at all. None of your brothers will scold you. You all take this
hatred for granted. Amazing. And sick.

Take it to Jesus in prayer Billy. He'll maybe have something else real
hateful shitty you can say.

James Roberts

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Oct 6, 2004, 7:55:21 AM10/6/04

Doc this post is a stroke of genius. You should become an investigative
reporter because what you posted is a real block buster. I duly noted not one
opponent of yours could contradict the cold hard truth Jews are predominant in
the abortion trades. Your opposition has been reduced to criticizing the few
Bible quotes you supplied while totally ignoring the hard facts Jews are
committing "crimes against humanity" with their rampant unabated baby killing.
For America to become as great as it was in its founding days it must
prosecute all involved who are involved all the way from the propagandists, the
ones who legislate and make legal such crimes and those who actually do the
murder. I see no difference between the trials of Nazis for their crimes against
humanity and the murder of millions of innocents now. Julius Streicher killed
not one Jew but he was hung never the less for his anti-semitic publications
which the court deemed as being a contributor to the crimes against humanity.
Joseph Goebbels would have most likely stretched a rope as well if he hadn't
killed himself. The majority of the Reichstag was prosecuted for crimes against
humanity for passing legislation which made such possible. What was good for
Nazis should be good for the current crop of criminals against humanity.
I removed all carat marks for quoted text in my reply so your
masterpiece remains unfettered.

On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 01:27:17 -0500, <0g3vl0pq7pl0kkdff...@4ax.com>
Doc Tavish <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote under inspiration:

Doc Tavish

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Oct 6, 2004, 9:19:51 AM10/6/04

On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 06:55:21 -0500, <s8n7m09kf3jdcdvaf...@4ax.com>
James Roberts <jim...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Doc this post is a stroke of genius. You should become an investigative
>reporter because what you posted is a real block buster. I duly noted not one
>opponent of yours could contradict the cold hard truth Jews are predominant in
>the abortion trades. Your opposition has been reduced to criticizing the few
>Bible quotes you supplied while totally ignoring the hard facts Jews are
>committing "crimes against humanity" with their rampant unabated baby killing.
> For America to become as great as it was in its founding days it must
>prosecute all involved who are involved all the way from the propagandists, the
>ones who legislate and make legal such crimes and those who actually do the
>murder. I see no difference between the trials of Nazis for their crimes against
>humanity and the murder of millions of innocents now. Julius Streicher killed
>not one Jew but he was hung never the less for his anti-semitic publications
>which the court deemed as being a contributor to the crimes against humanity.
>Joseph Goebbels would have most likely stretched a rope as well if he hadn't
>killed himself. The majority of the Reichstag was prosecuted for crimes against
>humanity for passing legislation which made such possible. What was good for
>Nazis should be good for the current crop of criminals against humanity.
> I removed all carat marks for quoted text in my reply so your
>masterpiece remains unfettered.
>
>jr
>
>On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 01:27:17 -0500, <0g3vl0pq7pl0kkdff...@4ax.com>
>Doc Tavish <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote under inspiration:

Thank you very much! I appreciate encouragement for mine is not an easy task
with all the Agents of Satan out there.

Tavish

~~Comments on Sara D. Salzman's Appearance~~
Peter N. Kirstein
Professor of History
Saint Xavier University
<start/quote>
From: "Peter Kirstein" <kirs...@sxu.edu>
Date: Fri Oct 1, 2004 6:40:58 AM America/Denver
To: Sara Salzman
Subject: Re: Thank you so very much!
Reply-To: <kirs...@sxu.edu>

Dear Ms. Salzman,

I am sorry if you are being inconvenienced by Mr Irving's posting. I
have no control what persons place on their website in the dynamic,
unfettered world of the Internet. No, I would not have drawn inferences
to your faith and appearance....
<end/quote> ^^^^^^^^^^
From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Salzman Gets Spanked
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:16:06 -0600
Message-ID: <catamont-0054A0...@news.giganews.com>
(Archived locally as: SaraSplainsAll_17 and SaraSplainsAll_18)
Sara D. Salzman's appearance as depicted by this photo which is what
Professor Peter Kirstein saw:
http://www.westword.com/issues/2000-08-10/news/feature3_4.gif
Other comments on Sara's appearance:
"Your personality matches the person in the picture to a "T"." - Steve Talbot
Message-ID: <4162fa1b...@news20.forteinc.com>
"Isn't she wearing a Halloween mask? No one is that ugly or at
least I haven't ever seen anyone that gruesome." - James Fenimoore
Message-ID: <2sgn7aF...@uni-berlin.de>
"A real knee slapper about Sara Salzman making a 3000 some odd mile round trip
to defame me to my local authorities is how one of them (who is not a history
buff nor is Holocaust savvy) mistook Sara for a Holocaust survivor!! He
commented on how he had pity for her seeing how judging by her appearance the
Nazis must have tortured her endlessly!! I told him that Sara isn't old enough
to have been alive at that time but her looks are hardened and she does look
old. I advised all listening that Sara has indeed been tortured repeatedly but
by her fellow S&M Bondage Torture comrades and then I gave them all copies of
her S&M posts such as can be seen in this archive:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=s70dcvgs3eucqd31n81gqo5e21uj7vvg67%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Sara Salzman - A Compilation of Her Better Known Literary
Works and Opinions Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 13:35:49 -0500
Message-ID: <s70dcvgs3eucqd31n...@4ax.com>
Anyone who doubts Sara Salzman looks like she has been repeatedly beaten to a
pulp need only to view and download (to enlarge) this famous picture:
http://www.westword.com/issues/2000-08-10/news/feature3_4.gif " - Doc Tavish
Message-ID: <vlf3m0tk7b7hmi7qb...@4ax.com>
"That woman is truly revolting. She may not be a holocaust survivor but she
certainly could pass for one of Dr. Mengele's experiments on infants who lived."
Steve Talbot - Message-ID: <41629be8....@news20.forteinc.com>

Steve Talbot

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Oct 6, 2004, 12:41:42 PM10/6/04

You have them in tatters Doc. I have not to this point seen one person seriously
address your charge that Jews are dominant in the abortion blood money racket.

In her case "Ugliness is to the bone."

Steve

Ray Fischer

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Oct 6, 2004, 4:23:47 PM10/6/04

James Roberts <jim...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Doc this post is a stroke of genius. You should become an investigative
>reporter because what you posted is a real block buster. I duly noted not one
>opponent of yours could contradict the cold hard truth Jews are predominant in
>the abortion trades.

I'll contradict the claim.

Now what?

--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net

Doc Tavish

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Oct 6, 2004, 6:55:05 PM10/6/04

On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:44:08 -0400, <9mb8m0lbsp9tjb65p...@4ax.com>
Joel M. Eichen <joele...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>You are implying that there is some problem with providing a legal

What the Nazis did to Jews was legal under the Nuremburg Laws so do you
approve of Nazi atrocities?

>and necessary medical procedure .....

Care to consider how many abortions are truly "necessary medical procedure[s]"
such as "tubal pregnancies" which aren't conceived in the womb in the first
place nor have a chance for normal development versus abortions for convenience?

Why do you keep seeking to divert from who the predominant players are in the
blood money scam known as abortion?

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=off&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=0g3vl0pq7pl0kkdff...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: The Holocaust Against Millions of Innocents by Christ Denier
Anti-Christs Continues V1-0
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 01:27:17 -0500
Message-ID: <0g3vl0pq7pl0kkdff...@4ax.com>

Neither you nor any of your fellow abortion apologists have dealt with the main
premise of the post.

Once again in short:

Until you can answer the above three challenges above with facts and reason it
is you who is ranting.
Tavish
>Joel
>
>
>YOU WROTE:
>
>Once again; I have not to this point seen one person seriously address

>your charge that Jews are dominant in the abortion blood money racket

>and Joel M. Eichen is one person who won't address the central issue.
>
>Steve
>
>On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:09:35 GMT, Steve_...@yahoo.com (Steve
>Talbot) wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:54:16 -0400, <po88m0p9bip5hu1g9...@4ax.com>
>>Joel M. Eichen <joele...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>WAIT A MINUTE ....... Did they reverse Roe v. Wade?
>>
>>What has that to do with what I posted?
>>
>>>Where waz I?
>>
>>In the Land of Denial?
>>
>>>Joel

>>>
>>>On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:41:42 GMT, Steve_...@yahoo.com (Steve
>>>Talbot) wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Thank you very much! I appreciate encouragement for mine is not an easy task
>>>>>with all the Agents of Satan out there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tavish
>>>>
>>>>You have them in tatters Doc. I have not to this point seen one person seriously
>>>>address your charge that Jews are dominant in the abortion blood money racket.
>>

>>Once again; I have not to this point seen one person seriously address your
>>charge that Jews are dominant in the abortion blood money racket and Joel M.
>>Eichen is one person who won't address the central issue.
>>
>>Steve

Joel M. Eichen

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Oct 6, 2004, 7:27:04 PM10/6/04

On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:55:05 -0500, Doc Tavish
<Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:44:08 -0400, <9mb8m0lbsp9tjb65p...@4ax.com>
>Joel M. Eichen <joele...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>You are implying that there is some problem with providing a legal
>
>What the Nazis did to Jews was legal under the Nuremburg Laws so do you
>approve of Nazi atrocities?
>
>>and necessary medical procedure .....
>
>Care to consider how many abortions are truly "necessary medical procedure[s]"
>such as "tubal pregnancies" which aren't conceived in the womb in the first
>place nor have a chance for normal development versus abortions for convenience?

There is nothing in the U.S. law that prohibits non-medical abortion!

Its a social issue more than a medical issue!

Joel

Joel M. Eichen

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Oct 6, 2004, 7:28:10 PM10/6/04

On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:55:05 -0500, Doc Tavish
<Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote:

>Why do you keep seeking to divert from who the predominant players are in the
>blood money scam known as abortion?

We need to concern ourselves with what to do AFTER the kid is born,
not before.

We have a huge poverty problem is the US.

Joel

Doc Tavish

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Oct 6, 2004, 9:02:52 PM10/6/04

On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:28:10 -0400, <oqv8m0h3tv5jknpgh...@4ax.com>

Joel M. Eichen <joele...@yahoo.com> wrote:

It won't and shouldn't be solved by abortions. The problem stems from the 1960s
and President Johnson's "Great Society Program" which actually "rewarded"
illegitimate births. That is when the problem started. Stop providing incentives
for illicit reproduction and the problem will be solved. America didn't have
that type of problem before the liberal do gooders provided incentives for
people to feed at the public trough.

BTW most of the people at the American poverty level live better than most of
the people in the rest of the world. The poverty stricken in America have air
conditioning, cars to drive, cell phones, microwave ovens, indoor plumbing by
far and large but if you want to see real poverty go to Mexico, Haiti, etc. I
would almost venture to say a person of poverty in America probably lives as
good if not better than the average European Union poltroon.

America is the best country to live in on Earth and I would not want to live
anywhere else but it does have its problems which can be worked out but
increasing the flow of illegal immigrants, welfare families, and abortion aren't
ways of solving them.

Politicians who encourage the welfare system are some of the worse villains
America has. They are always generous with other people's money and the leeches
of society empower those who promise them an everlasting sugar tit to suck on.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=l3engvsekiko4v2dfjgrc26ikgbh2s53jq%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: General Welfare Does NOT Mean a Welfare State Run by Liberals!
Message-ID: <l3engvsekiko4v2df...@4ax.com>
Date: 9 Jul 2003 06:35:28 GMT
Excerpt:

Benjamin Franklin, American Characteristics, America, Vol.4,
Pg.70 - Pg.71
....every one will enjoy securely the profits of his industry. But if he does
not bring a fortune with him, he must work and be industrious to live. One or
two years' residence give him all the rights of a citizen; but the Government
does not at present, whatever it may have done in former times, hire people
to become settlers, by paying their passages, giving land, utensils, stock, or
any other kind of emolument whatsoever. In short, America is the land of labor,
and by no means what the English call Lubberland, and the French Pays de
Cocagne, where the streets are said to be paved with half-peck loaves, the
houses tiled with pancakes, and where the fowls fly about ready roasted,
crying, "Come eat me!" . . .

Roosevelt, On American Motherhood, The World's Famous
Orations, Vol.3, Pg.259
....such a creature merits contempt as hearty as any visited upon the soldier
who runs away in battle, or upon the man who refuses to work for the support of
those dependent upon him, and who tho able-bodied is yet content to eat in
idleness the bread which others provide.

George Bancroft, History of the United States, Vol.1, Pg.96
After the long delayed departure of the ships, the first care of Smith was
to obtain supplies for the colony from the Indians. In the spring of 1610 he
introduced the culture of maize, which was taught by two savages, and thirty or
forty acres were "digged and planted." Authority was employed to enforce
industry; he who would not work might not eat, and six hours in the day were
spent in toil. The gentlemen learned the use of the axe, and became excellent
wood-cutters. Jamestown assumed the appearance of a regular place of abode. It
is worthy of remembrance that Smith proposed to plant a town near the falls of
the river, where the city of Richmond now stands. Eight months of good order
under his rule gave to the colony a period of peace and industry; of order
and health.

From the Bible:
2 Thessalonians 3: 8,10,12,14 says: "...nor did we eat food from anyone free. To
the contrary, by labor and toil night and day we were working so as not to
impose an expensive burden upon any of you. In fact, also, when we were with
you, we used to give you this order: "If anyone does not want to work, neither
let him eat." To such persons we give the order and exhortation in [the] Lord
Jesus Christ that by working with quietness they should eat food they themselves
earn. But if anyone is not obedient to our word through this letter, keep this
one marked, stop associating with him that he might be ashamed." The words of
the Apostle Paul. Would the Apostle Paul bless our current welfare state?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=nrs5jvk1nejn5rj6cu5oalcu7gt3cfn2sp%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Alien Citizens as Described by Theodore Roosevelt aka "Rough Rider"
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 19:49:52 -0500
Message-ID: <nrs5jvk1nejn5rj6c...@4ax.com>

Excerpt:

TRUE AMERICANISM
By THEODORE ROOSEVELT

History of the American Nation, Vol.9, Pg.2618 - Pg.2619
It is not only necessary to Americanize the immigrants of foreign birth who
settle among us...

History of the American Nation, Vol.9, Pg.2622 - Pg.2623
We welcome the German or the Irishman who becomes an American. We have no use
for the German or Irishman who remains such. We do not wish German-Americans and
Irish-Americans who figure as such in our social and political life; we want
only Americans, and, providing they are such, we do not care whether they are of
native or of Irish or of German ancestry. We have no room in any healthy
American community for a German-American vote or an Irish-American vote, and it
is contemptible demagogy to put planks into any party platform with the purpose
of catching such a vote. We have no room for any people who do not act and vote
simply as Americans, and as nothing else.... We believe that English and no
other language, is that in which all the school exercises should be
conducted....

History of the American Nation, Vol.9, Pg.2627
But I wish to be distinctly understood on one point. Americanism is a question
of spirit, conviction, and purpose, not of creed or birthplace. The politician
who bids for the Irish or German vote, or the Irishman or German who votes as
an Irishman or German, is despicable....

Tavish
>Joel

Joebruno

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Oct 6, 2004, 10:02:09 PM10/6/04

Doc Tavish <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message news:<11s7m0hj9jl2mfqik...@4ax.com>...

If you could handle any "tasks", ya wouldn't be sponging off disability.

>
>

Joebruno

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Oct 6, 2004, 10:05:57 PM10/6/04

James Roberts <jim...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<s8n7m09kf3jdcdvaf...@4ax.com>...

> Doc this post is a stroke of genius. You should become an investigative
> reporter because what you posted is a real block buster. I duly noted not one
>

Here we have Fatboy praising himself in the name of another
sockpuppet. ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joebruno

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Oct 8, 2004, 5:06:08 AM10/8/04

Doc Tavish <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message news:<eos8m09omkar2voap...@4ax.com>...

No, it wasn't. The Nuremberg laws deprived Jews of their legal rights.
The laws did not authorize killing them. Chalk up another lie for
Fatboy.

so do you
> approve of Nazi atrocities?
>
> >and necessary medical procedure .....
>
> Care to consider how many abortions are truly "necessary medical procedure[s]"
> such as "tubal pregnancies" which aren't conceived in the womb in the first
> place nor have a chance for normal development versus abortions for convenience?
>
> Why do you keep seeking to divert from who the predominant players are in the
> blood money scam known as abortion?

There is nothing to "divert" from, since you have not proved it. Your
continued ranting about Jews being responsible does not constitute
proof.
>
>

Doc Tavish

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Oct 8, 2004, 7:44:34 AM10/8/04

On 8 Oct 2004 02:06:08 -0700, <bf3896a1.04100...@posting.google.com>
br...@indystart.com (Joebruno) wrote:

>Doc Tavish <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message news:<eos8m09omkar2voap...@4ax.com>...
>> On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:44:08 -0400, <9mb8m0lbsp9tjb65p...@4ax.com>
>> Joel M. Eichen <joele...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >You are implying that there is some problem with providing a legal
>>
>> What the Nazis did to Jews was legal under the Nuremburg Laws
>
>No, it wasn't. The Nuremberg laws deprived Jews of their legal rights.

Which was "legal under the Nuremburg Laws"! My but you are clueless!

>The laws did not authorize killing them.

Where did I mention killing Jews?

>Chalk up another lie for Fatboy.

Chalk up another ingorant out burst from Fatmouth Jew Jerk Arthur J(ewboy)
Tandy!!!

No wonder why people who defend Jews and whooppose me suchas Allan Matthews, Ken
Lewis, and Ken Mcvay ridicule you! You hurt their causeand agenda! Howdoes it
feel to be viewed as a moron by people at opposite ends? They do call you
BrunoMoron do they not?

>> so do you approve of Nazi atrocities?
>>
>> >and necessary medical procedure .....
>>
>> Care to consider how many abortions are truly "necessary medical procedure[s]"
>> such as "tubal pregnancies" which aren't conceived in the womb in the first
>> place nor have a chance for normal development versus abortions for convenience?
>>
>> Why do you keep seeking to divert from who the predominant players are in the
>> blood money scam known as abortion?
>
>
>There is nothing to "divert" from, since you have not proved it.

I don't need to-- Your fellow Jews do seeing how I mainly quoted them and their
web sites!

Older compilation of the above:
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=cuj410htbs3qb44fi...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Jewish Empathy for Blood of Innocents? ABORTION <<<Do The Numbers>>>
V3.0 (UPDATED LINKS!!) S_0124
Message-ID: <cuj410htbs3qb44fi...@4ax.com>
Date: 24 Jan 2004 11:27:40 GMT

>Your continued ranting about Jews being responsible does not constitute
>proof.

What ranting? I mainly quoted your fellow Jews!

Stay lame Artie- you make me look good!
Tavish

Dear Ms. Salzman,

Paul Gundersen replies to the above observance with:
"How is that? Does she have a nasty and ugly personality to match? That ugly mug
either should become a Halloween mask or it looks like it belongs on a wanted
poster at the Post Office. That is one rough tough looking woman."
Message-ID: <10m8qfu...@corp.supernews.com>

"Isn't she wearing a Halloween mask? No one is that ugly or at
least I haven't ever seen anyone that gruesome." - James Fenimoore
Message-ID: <2sgn7aF...@uni-berlin.de>
"A real knee slapper about Sara Salzman making a 3000 some odd mile round trip
to defame me to my local authorities is how one of them (who is not a history
buff nor is Holocaust savvy) mistook Sara for a Holocaust survivor!! He
commented on how he had pity for her seeing how judging by her appearance the
Nazis must have tortured her endlessly!! I told him that Sara isn't old enough
to have been alive at that time but her looks are hardened and she does look
old. I advised all listening that Sara has indeed been tortured repeatedly but
by her fellow S&M Bondage Torture comrades and then I gave them all copies of
her S&M posts such as can be seen in this archive:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=s70dcvgs3eucqd31n81gqo5e21uj7vvg67%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Sara Salzman - A Compilation of Her Better Known Literary
Works and Opinions Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 13:35:49 -0500
Message-ID: <s70dcvgs3eucqd31n...@4ax.com>
Anyone who doubts Sara Salzman looks like she has been repeatedly beaten to a
pulp need only to view and download (to enlarge) this famous picture:
http://www.westword.com/issues/2000-08-10/news/feature3_4.gif " - Doc Tavish
Message-ID: <vlf3m0tk7b7hmi7qb...@4ax.com>
"That woman is truly revolting. She may not be a holocaust survivor but she
certainly could pass for one of Dr. Mengele's experiments on infants who lived."
Steve Talbot - Message-ID: <41629be8....@news20.forteinc.com>

"If it weren't for a female name I would have mistaken the picture for a husky
man but as it is identified as a female I can only say that she is one ugly
androgynous it. Come to think of it the woman looks like a butchish bulldog. She
looks like she could bite a person's leg off. One would hope she has had her
shots. :-)" - Paul Gundersen Message-ID: <10m8q6p...@corp.supernews.com>

Joebruno

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Oct 8, 2004, 2:25:52 PM10/8/04

Doc Tavish <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message news:<9sucm0p9c61knrds5...@4ax.com>...

What were you referring to, moron?

>
> >Chalk up another lie for Fatboy.
>
> Chalk up another ingorant out burst from Fatmouth Jew Jerk Arthur J(ewboy)
> Tandy!!!

I'll stack my record against yours anyday. Let's take a poll or search
the archives.
How about this?

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=lang_en&c2coff=1&q=Tavish%2C+lie&btnG=Search&meta=group%3Dalt.revisionism

It's a record of your lies.

>
> No wonder why people who defend Jews and whooppose me suchas Allan Matthews, Ken
> Lewis, and Ken Mcvay ridicule you!

They don't anymore and haven't for weeks, liar.

You hurt their causeand agenda! Howdoes it
> feel to be viewed as a moron by people at opposite ends? They do call you
> BrunoMoron do they not?

Not for weeks, but they still expose YOUR lies. They still call you
Fatboy and idiot.

>
> >> so do you approve of Nazi atrocities?
> >>
> >> >and necessary medical procedure .....
> >>
> >> Care to consider how many abortions are truly "necessary medical procedure[s]"
> >> such as "tubal pregnancies" which aren't conceived in the womb in the first
> >> place nor have a chance for normal development versus abortions for convenience?
> >>
> >> Why do you keep seeking to divert from who the predominant players are in the
> >> blood money scam known as abortion?
> >
> >
> >There is nothing to "divert" from, since you have not proved it.
>
> I don't need to-- Your fellow Jews do seeing how I mainly quoted them and their
> web sites!

All you proved is that Liberal Jews like the choice business. However,
Liberal Christians also like it. You've been shown that numerous
times, but you keep ignoring it because you're a thickheaded moron. In
your useless, lazy, fucked up excuse for a brain, Jews are responsible
for everything you don't like, despite the fact that their tiny
numbers make that impossible in a voting democracy where majority
rules.
>

I keep posting this, but you conveniently ignore it in your pathetic
rants:

Search Result 1
From: Joebruno (br...@indystart.com)

Subject: Re: The Holocaust Against Millions of Innocents by Christ
Denier Anti-Christs Continues V1-0
View: Complete Thread (38 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism, alt.fan.g-gordon-liddy,
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.usa.republican, soc.culture.usa,
alt.conspiracy, alt.abortion, talk.abortion
Date: 2004-10-03 07:12:16 PST

Here ya go:

See, Fatboy? You quote some Jews, but not all of them. Your dishonesty
is almost as bad as your incredible stupidity, and cringing cowardice.

Now, here's your theme song: Chicken chowder, in honor of your
chickenshit.

http://www.trachtman.org/MIDI/Misc/ChickenChowder.mid

Joebruno

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Oct 8, 2004, 2:38:47 PM10/8/04

Doc Tavish <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message news:<9sucm0p9c61knrds5...@4ax.com>...

> On 8 Oct 2004 02:06:08 -0700, <bf3896a1.04100...@posting.google.com>
> br...@indystart.com (Joebruno) wrote:
>
> >Doc Tavish <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message news:<eos8m09omkar2voap...@4ax.com>...
> >> On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:44:08 -0400, <9mb8m0lbsp9tjb65p...@4ax.com>
> >> Joel M. Eichen <joele...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >You are implying that there is some problem with providing a legal
> >>
> >> What the Nazis did to Jews was legal under the Nuremburg Laws
> >
> >No, it wasn't. The Nuremberg laws deprived Jews of their legal rights.
>
> Which was "legal under the Nuremburg Laws"! My but you are clueless!
>
> >The laws did not authorize killing them.
>
> Where did I mention killing Jews?
>
> >Chalk up another lie for Fatboy.
>
> Chalk up another ingorant out burst from Fatmouth Jew Jerk Arthur J(ewboy)
> Tandy!!!
>
> No wonder why people who defend Jews and whooppose me suchas Allan Matthews, Ken
> Lewis, and Ken Mcvay ridicule you! You hurt their causeand agenda! Howdoes it
> feel to be viewed as a moron by people at opposite ends? They do call you
> BrunoMoron do they not?
>
>

HAHAHAHA! Allan Matthews and Ken Lewis also mock YOU repeatedly. Allan
posts your idotic game of claiming you were dead over and over. Have
you forgotten that, idiot? Ken McVay does the same to you. His Nizkor
site says:"This page is being left blank in honor of Mr Bradbury's
contributions to society."

Ken Mcvay gets on my case only when I fight with his friends Hilary
and Ken Lewis, but otherwise he doesn't.He's defending his friends,
nothing more. Have you forgotten that, fuckhead? You're such a
pathetic liar that you distort everything.

Several weeks ago, I declared my intention to cease fighting with
Hilary and Lewis and Matthews. It's a waste of energy and nothing more
than a silly personality conflict. I am pleased they have taken me
seriously on this issue.

However, Allan still ridicules you.

Remember now, Fatshit?

Joebruno

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Oct 8, 2004, 3:08:41 PM10/8/04

Doc Tavish <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message news:<9sucm0p9c61knrds5...@4ax.com>...

Read this, dumbo: Planned Parenthood is involved in lots of things
besides abortion rights:

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health/

They also deal with contraception, STD's, and other issues. You've
said before you aren't a Catholic, so don't tell me you oppose the use
of contraceptives.
Perhaps you favor the spread of AIDS and Syphillis? I wouldn't be
surprised to learn that you had advanced Syphillis-it makes your brain
useless and produces delusions.

Joebruno

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Oct 8, 2004, 5:03:06 PM10/8/04

Doc Tavish <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message news:<9sucm0p9c61knrds5...@4ax.com>...
<deletia>

>
> No wonder why people who defend Jews and whooppose me suchas Allan Matthews, Ken
> Lewis, and Ken Mcvay ridicule you!

Let's see. You call Allan Matthews a Communist and repeatedly insist
Ken McVay is a liar and a tax evader, and now you're using them as
authoritative sources on something?

You're a joke, Fatass. You talk out of both sides of your ballooning
face.

Roger

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Oct 8, 2004, 10:42:22 PM10/8/04

In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Doc Tavish wrote
in message <9sucm0p9c61knrds5...@4ax.com>:

>On 8 Oct 2004 02:06:08 -0700, <bf3896a1.04100...@posting.google.com>
>br...@indystart.com (Joebruno) wrote:

>>Doc Tavish <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message news:<eos8m09omkar2voap...@4ax.com>...

>>> On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:44:08 -0400, <9mb8m0lbsp9tjb65p...@4ax.com>
>>> Joel M. Eichen <joele...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>> >You are implying that there is some problem with providing a legal

>>> What the Nazis did to Jews was legal under the Nuremburg Laws

>>No, it wasn't. The Nuremberg laws deprived Jews of their legal rights.

>Which was "legal under the Nuremburg Laws"! My but you are clueless!

>>The laws did not authorize killing them.

>Where did I mention killing Jews?

Just above, fatboy -- when you said "What the Nazis did to Jews was
legal under the Nuremburg <sic> Laws." Among those "things" was the
murder of approximately 6 million of them, a fact which you have
claimed that you do not deny.

>>Chalk up another lie for Fatboy.

>Chalk up another ingorant out burst from Fatmouth Jew Jerk Arthur J(ewboy)
>Tandy!!!

You mean an outburst like your fraudulent challenge, fatboy?

> ~~Comments on Sara D. Salzman's Appearance~~

... which the morbidly obese Shame of Belleville, AR claims zie
doesn't post -- but then we all knew zir lie about only doing it in
response was a lie to begin with...

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