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Beam Me Up Scotty

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Jan 3, 2010, 4:41:40 PM1/3/10
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Obama's enhanced individual rights violations..... Scanning that looks
through your clothing so now you get to be ogled by the government.


How is it that *Obama who was so concerned for the* *terrorists rights*
being violated under enhanced interrogations is now totally unconcerned
about violating *REAL* citizens covered by the constitution?

*Obama sides with the terrorists and throws the people under the bus*

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*BE VERY CONCERNED*

*The Civil war has begun and you just don't know it* ....Look at the
Liberal attacks on the people that raise their heads above the crowd,
the Liberals/Socialists viciously attempt to destroy them.

Joe the Plumber and Palin and Now Wilson and dozens in between.

They attack on every front, Internet hacking attacks, frivolous legal
attacks to consume energy and money, Personal attacks on opponents and
family. Propaganda attacks are coordinated across Liberal Media the
Unions and the Executive Branch and Congress and community organizing
foot soldiers...

If you remember back to the Revolutionary war, the War was waged by
*targeting the officers* of the English military to create disarray and
confusion in our enemy.

The Progressive-Socialists have been using this tactic for some time
now, they have adopted Saul Alinsky's plan to target their opponents and
viscously destroy them, these Socialists even try to *destroy the*
*Families* to destroy anyone that would show signs of organizing the
opposition into a cohesive resistance to the Socialist steam roller.

We haven't yet progressed to large battles with shooting in the streets
but we have violence and protests and subversive sabotage of the enemy.
Obama has declared war on his enemy and they are us.

The left has created a third front in America's war and it is the Civil
War against capitalism, the *Socialist In Chief* has decided to attack
our own, and in the midst of a foreign war he has increased the
hostility against our own people.

The Socialists have diverted the interest in winning in Afghanistan for
the attack and domination of the economy, for Socialism over Capitalism
and for the Government over the people of the USA.

Peter Franks

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Jan 3, 2010, 10:07:25 PM1/3/10
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Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
> Obama's enhanced individual rights violations..... Scanning that looks
> through your clothing so now you get to be ogled by the government.
>
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> How is it that *Obama who was so concerned for the* *terrorists rights*
> being violated under enhanced interrogations is now totally unconcerned
> about violating *REAL* citizens covered by the constitution?
>
> *Obama sides with the terrorists and throws the people under the bus*

Perhaps you are mistaken who he considers the 'terrorists' to be.

Beam Me Up Scotty

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Jan 4, 2010, 11:13:02 AM1/4/10
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On 1/3/2010 10:07 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
> Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
>> Obama's *enhanced interrogation* and individual rights violations..... Scanning that looks

Yes... I think you may be onto it.
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MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE

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Jan 4, 2010, 12:19:08 PM1/4/10
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Beam Me Up Scotty


Strange but TRUE,

OBAMA and OBAMUNISM is set to eclipse
even the outrages of both Clinton's by
utilizing both of them for their own personal advantage...


Case in point:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article6973966.ece
Panic room saved artist Kurt Westergaard from Islamist assassin

He did not have time to collect the child from the living room before
locking himself into a �panic room�, a specially fortified bathroom. He
said the assailant had shouted �swear words, really crude words� and
shrieked about �blood� and �revenge�, as he smashed the axe in vain
against the bathroom door.
....
The attacker, who was also carrying a knife, shouted,
�I�ll be back�,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
before going outside to confront police. He smashed a police car window
with the axe and was shot in the hand and a knee when he threw the axe
at an officer.,,,


This is the Emminent Monsterdom that both Clinton's defend,
OBAMA appologizes to, and LIBs sponsor.
An Evil which has no justification,
nor does it seek any.


http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/972765/posts
Clinton Narrates Wolf-Friendly Peter and the Wolf

In the new version, narrated by former U.S. president Clinton
and called Wolf Tracks, Peter again captures the wolf, but this time
repents of his act and releases the animal,
who howls a grateful goodbye.


Is it
REALLY goodbye?
or is it a vengeful "I'll be Back...", NOW WE KNOW THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER.


How soon will SUCH be knocking on your door?
And what WILL OBAMA's Truth Squads be doing then?
Aren't they the one's passing out the axe's to be used?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tTHn2tHhcI


For all his Lareate-ness, OBAMA advisors are seeking new ways
of incorporating bio-metrics and shock collars as
deterents to prevent in-flight catastrophe.

How well do you think THAT will work?


LIB strategic insanity is the beginning and end of the world's problems.

Had Bill Clinton done back in '93 to Mogadishu, precisely what
Ethopia accomplished in a single week a decade later there
would have been no 911, OBL, or AlQaeda.


"to leave now we would send a message to terrorists
and other potential adversaries around the world that
they can change our policies by killing our people.
It would be open season on Americans."
-- Bill Clinton '93
just before he pulled out of Somalia.


The world is the way it is precisely because of Bill Clinton,
precisely because of the LIBS, who not only proudly do unto their
own, precisely what they forbid us to do to our Adversaries,
but also sponsor and defend our Adversaries.

The world is the way it is because Good Men do Absolutely Nothing.
Got LIBS? Got TERROR.


Even as Wave after Wave of Terror appear over the Horizon
as did so many Luftwaffe during the Battle of Britain,
LIBS continue to deny that their intent could be knowable,
that their allegiance unclear.


LIBs, what price their vision?
http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/14028.JPG


HELLWORLD stands for HILLARY.
She STILL has SUCH sights to show you.

http://paragraph11.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/paragraph11-clinton-joker.jpg

Seon Ferguson

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Jan 4, 2010, 9:43:14 PM1/4/10
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You are a hypocrite. Under lord Bush the 4th amendment was demolished under
the patriot act and portions of the 1st amendment were trampled on. But it's
ok when republicans trample on the Constitution just not when a black person
does it right?

dracc...@gmail.com

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On Jan 3, 4:41 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-

If you do not want to have to go through the scans you do not have to
fly because that is not a right. Now as the Full Body scans were just
dandy when Lord Bush wanted it but now it is evil under this
President. As there is the fact that the scans will see nothing more
than if you are concealing a weapon or explosives. As the Party of No
has been trying to stop anything that the President wants including
stalling allowing the chief transportation safety official from
getting a vote or anything that will stop real terrorists. I guess we
know where the Republicans stand they are with the Terrorists and thus
they really are the Enemies of the American People.

Peter Franks

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Jan 5, 2010, 9:23:32 AM1/5/10
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No, its not alright.

Beam Me Up Scotty

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Jan 5, 2010, 12:08:15 PM1/5/10
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OK now explain why that when that "black person does it" meaning uses
the Patriot Act, then you have zero to say about it...

Maybe if Obama has used his "Super powers" to reverse at least part of
the Patriot act it would have been a hopeful sign.


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Beam Me Up Scotty

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Jan 5, 2010, 1:16:46 PM1/5/10
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Privacy of your person is a 4th amendment right.... and even though you
are driving on Public transportation roads or walking on public side
walks, you still have a right to *not* be searched without a warrant.
They don't tell you that if you choose to step on a side walk you must
first submit to a search, because it is unconstitutional.

You say the government could tell you that if you drive your car on a
government road that our government has a right to scan your body
anytime they want. Yet they don't do that, they ask before they search
and then get a warrant if they don't get permission. Step on a side
walk and the government can pick you up and file you through a truck
with portable scanners in them?

> Now as the Full Body scans were just
> dandy when Lord Bush wanted it but now it is evil under this
> President.

Actually it is evil under "Government". Now if you Declare war against
someone then there are certain laws and rights that are temporarily
suspended.

> As there is the fact that the scans will see nothing more
> than if you are concealing a weapon or explosives. As the Party of No
> has been trying to stop anything that the President wants including
> stalling allowing the chief transportation safety official from
> getting a vote or anything that will stop real terrorists.

Why scan little old ladies, are they known bombers?

> I guess we
> know where the Republicans stand they are with the Terrorists and thus
> they really are the Enemies of the American People.

No It is Democrats that are for the terrorists, you want to infringe on
*all* of the free people and that is the terrorists plan too.

While the rest of us say that searching the Muslims who are not all
terrorists but all terrorists are all Muslim is OK. It infringes on
fewer people freedom.

That will at least put pressure on Muslims to report the terrorists and
alienate them from the Muslim community or the Muslims will suffer
higher scrutiny. But even that is unconstitutional unless we declare war
on Al Qaeda.

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Beam Me Up Scotty

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Jan 5, 2010, 1:28:22 PM1/5/10
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On 1/4/2010 11:29 PM, dracc...@gmail.com wrote:

If you do *NOT* want to be scanned you do not have to walk on a public
sidewalk.
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Beam Me Up Scotty

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Jan 5, 2010, 1:47:30 PM1/5/10
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On 1/4/2010 11:29 PM, dracc...@gmail.com wrote:

If you do *NOT* want to be scanned you do not have to walk on a public
sidewalk?

Maybe your Government should require people to get a license to ride in
an airplane.

And make Government force people to sign the license that says they will
submit to a full body scan, like the government had to do to get Drunks
to submit to breathalyzers.... because it is unconstitutional for
government to search your body without a warrant. And actually there is
no allowance for people to give consent.

But then government can't deny you use, if you say no to the search.

Because that makes your right to NOT be searched, subject to
*government_coercion* as in being tortured to get a confession. And your
rights are NOT a bargaining chip for government to negotiate with, it is
yours and government can't infringe. In short, you can't give up a right
without a constitutional amendment.
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Beam Me Up Scotty

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Jan 5, 2010, 3:10:02 PM1/5/10
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On 1/4/2010 11:29 PM, dracc...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 3, 4:41 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-
> dog.com> wrote:

>> Obama's enhanced individual rights violations..... Scanning that looks
>> through your clothing so now you get to be ogled by the government.
>>
>> How is it that *Obama who was so concerned for the* *terrorists rights*
>> being violated under enhanced interrogations is now totally unconcerned
>> about violating *REAL* citizens covered by the constitution?
>>
>> *Obama sides with the terrorists and throws the people under the bus*
>>

>>

If you do *NOT* want to be scanned you do not have to walk on a public
sidewalk?

Maybe your Government should require people to get a license to ride in
an airplane.

And make Government force people to sign the license that says they will
submit to a full body scan, like the government had to do to get Drunks
to submit to breathalyzers.... because it is unconstitutional for
government to search your body without a warrant. And actually there is

no allowance in the constitution for people to give consent.

But then government can't deny you use, if you say no to the search.

Because that makes your right to NOT be searched, subject to
*government_coercion* as in being tortured to get a confession. And your
rights are NOT a bargaining chip for government to negotiate with, it is

yours and government can't infringe or put demands on you to exercise it.

*In short you can't give up a right without a constitutional amendment*
you can't give up your right to free speech or your right to keep and
bear arms, you can choose not to exercise them. But the right to not be
searched is actually a limit on government to keep them from stepping on
your personal privacy.

So while you may grant permission to government to search you, that
doesn't remove the constitutional law that prevents government from
searching your person without a warrant. In essence the constitution
applies to the government and no one person can change that
constitutional requirement to get a warrant.


"Amendment IV
The right of the people to be *secure in their persons* , houses,
papers, and effects, *against unreasonable searches* and seizures,
*shall not be violated* , and *no Warrants shall issue* ,
*but upon probable cause* , supported by Oath or affirmation, and
particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or
things to be seized."


There is no "right" for you to make the government above this amendment,
even if you say they may search... that does not nullify the fact the
constitution forces the government to get a warrant.

There is no such thing in this amendment that says consenting to the
search would nullify the governments requirements in the amendment.

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Seon Ferguson

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"Peter Franks" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
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At least your no hypocrite. It's bad when Bush did it and bad when Obama
does it. But people like "Beam me up Scotty" are hypocrites.

Seon Ferguson

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"Beam Me Up Scotty" <Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote in
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It's a good thing I checked the other guys reply otherwise I never would
have realised you were replying to me. I mean when a black democrat (or a
white one) passes un constitutional acts you right wingers are up in arms
about it. But when a white republican does it you justify it. You need to
have the same set of standards for both parties.

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Beam Me Up Scotty

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Jan 5, 2010, 11:15:25 PM1/5/10
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On 1/5/2010 10:59 PM, Seon Ferguson wrote:
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> "Beam Me Up Scotty" <Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote in
> message news:4B4371FF...@Talk-n-dog.com...
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>>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>> You are a hypocrite. Under lord Bush the 4th amendment was demolished
>>>> under the patriot act and portions of the 1st amendment were trampled
>>>> on. But it's ok when republicans trample on the Constitution just not
>>>> when a black person does it right?
>>
>> OK now explain why that when that "black person does it" meaning uses
>> the Patriot Act, then you have zero to say about it...
>>
>> Maybe if Obama had used his "Super powers" to *reverse* at least part of

>> the Patriot act it would have been a hopeful sign.
>>
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> It's a good thing I checked the other guys reply otherwise I never would
> have realised you were replying to me. I mean when a black democrat (or
> a white one) passes un constitutional acts you right wingers are up in
> arms about it. But when a white republican does it you justify it. You
> need to have the same set of standards for both parties.

As it looks, you're the one that's making excuses for Obama at this
moment and bush was an evil right wing nut....

The truth is I'm not right wing and I didn't want Bush to have "card
Blanch" with the Patriot act and why did your Democrat congress *NOT*
let the sunset clause kill the Patriot act and then give limited powers
to Obama that he needs to fight terrorists, that or DECLARE WAR on Al
Qaeda to give constitutional powers to the President.

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Beam Me Up Scotty

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Jan 5, 2010, 11:26:35 PM1/5/10
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You obviously never read my posts.....

<QUOTE>

Strabo

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The infamous Patriot Act effects far more than the 4th A.

Place the blame where it belongs.

The Neocons wrote the infamous Patriot Act.

Congress enacted the infamous Patriot Act.

George Bush signed the infamous Patriot Act into law.

The SCOTUS accepted it.


All this even as the dot com and housing bubbles were beginning
to burst and the stage was set for more treason and criminality.


Here is one section from the infamous Patriot Act as passed
into law by the US Congress in 2001 and expanded since.

Ask the Patriot Act, "who is a terrorist?"

Section 802 reads that YOU are a terrorist if the president
or his designee so declares.

Now ask the Patriot Act, "who is a criminal?"

Section 802 reads that YOU are a criminal if the president
or his designee so declares you a terrorist.

Note that this document specifies that a terrorist may be
*any* person so designated by the Secretary of State or the
Attorney General OR, *any* person suspected of violating any
federal or state criminal law OR *any* person suspected of
actually or intending to, intimidate or coerce any person.

In others words, *any person suspected of a crime can be
designated a terrorist/criminal, secretively seized and tried
leaving no public record*.

Here's the law...


++++++++++++++

SEC. 802. DEFINITION OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM.

(a) DOMESTIC TERRORISM DEFINED- Section 2331 of title 18,
United States Code, is amended--

(1) in paragraph (1)(B)(iii), by striking `by assassination
or kidnapping' and inserting `by mass destruction,
assassination, or kidnapping';

(2) in paragraph (3), by striking `and';

(3) in paragraph (4), by striking the period at the end and
inserting `; and'; and

(4) by adding at the end the following:

`(5) the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that--

`(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation
of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;

`(B) appear to be intended--

`(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

`(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation
or coercion; or

`(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass
destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

`(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of
the United States.'.

(b) CONFORMING AMENDMENT- Section 3077(1) of title 18, United
States Code, is amended to read as follows:

`(1) `act of terrorism' means an act of domestic or
international terrorism as defined in section 2331;'.

++++++++++++++

Comments:

Terrorism then is any activity that may:

`(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation
of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;

...or an act that may:
`(B) appear to be intended--

`(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

`(ii) to influence the policy of a government by
intimidation or coercion; or

`(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass
destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

`(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction
of the United States.'.

Which could apply to any criticism of government or politicians
or half of the material on the NGs.


Note the wording for amending Section 3077(1) of title 18,
United States Code, it is is amended to read:

`(1) `act of terrorism' means an act of domestic or
international terrorism as defined in section 2331;'.

Which effectively means that "domestic" terrorism is the same as
"international" terrorism.

Further as we see in Sec.411 below, that a terrorist is ...

`(aa) a foreign terrorist organization, as designated by the
Secretary of State under section 219, or

`(bb) a political, social or other similar group whose public
endorsement of acts of terrorist activity the Secretary of
State has determined undermines United States efforts to
reduce or eliminate terrorist activities,';


Summary of this portion of Section 802 - A terrorist is any
person suspected of violating any federal or state criminal
law OR any person suspected of actually or intending to,
intimidate or coerce any person.


continuing...

+++++++++++++

SEC. 411. DEFINITIONS RELATING TO TERRORISM.

(a) GROUNDS OF INADMISSIBILITY- Section 212(a)(3) of the
Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1182(a)(3))
is amended--

(1) in subparagraph (B)--

(A) in clause (i)--

(i) by amending subclause (IV) to read as follows:

`(IV) is a representative (as defined in clause (v))
of--
`(aa) a foreign terrorist organization, as designated by the
Secretary of State under section 219, or

`(bb) a political, social or other similar group whose public
endorsement of acts of terrorist activity the Secretary
of State has determined undermines United States
efforts to reduce or eliminate terrorist activities,';

(ii) in subclause (V), by inserting `or' after `section 219,';
and

(iii) by adding at the end the following new subclauses:

`(VI) has used the alien's position of prominence
within any country to endorse or espouse terrorist
activity, or to persuade others to support terrorist
activity or a terrorist organization, in a way that
the Secretary of State has determined undermines
United States efforts to reduce or eliminate
terrorist activities, or

`(VII) is the spouse or child of an alien who is
inadmissible under this section, if the activity
causing the alien to be found inadmissible
occurred within the last 5 years,';

(B) by redesignating clauses (ii), (iii), and (iv) as clauses
(iii), (iv), and (v), respectively;

(C) in clause (i)(II), by striking `clause (iii)' and
inserting `clause (iv)';

(D) by inserting after clause (i) the following:

`(ii) EXCEPTION- Subclause (VII) of clause (i) does not
apply to a spouse or child--

`(I) who did not know or should not reasonably
have known of the activity causing the alien to be
found inadmissible under this section; or

`(II) whom the consular officer or Attorney
General has reasonable grounds to believe has
renounced the activity causing the alien to be
found inadmissible under this section.';

(E) in clause (iii) (as redesignated by subparagraph (B))--

(i) by inserting `it had been' before `committed in the
United States'; and

(ii) in subclause (V)(b), by striking `or firearm' and
inserting `, firearm, or other weapon or dangerous
device';

(F) by amending clause (iv) (as redesignated by
subparagraph (B)) to read as follows:

`(iv) ENGAGE IN TERRORIST ACTIVITY DEFINED- As
used in this chapter, the term `engage in terrorist
activity' means, in an individual capacity or as a member
of an organization--

`(I) to commit or to incite to commit, under
circumstances indicating an intention to cause
death or serious bodily injury, a terrorist activity;

`(II) to prepare or plan a terrorist activity;

`(III) to gather information on potential targets for
terrorist activity;

`(IV) to solicit funds or other things of value for--

`(aa) a terrorist activity;

`(bb) a terrorist organization described in clause (vi)(I) or
(vi)(II); or

`(cc) a terrorist organization described in clause (vi)(III),
unless the solicitor can demonstrate that he did not
know, and should not reasonably have known, that the
solicitation would further the organization's terrorist
activity;

`(V) to solicit any individual--

`(aa) to engage in conduct otherwise described in this clause;

`(bb) for membership in a terrorist organization described in
clause (vi)(I) or (vi)(II); or

`(cc) for membership in a terrorist organization described in
clause (vi)(III), unless the solicitor can demonstrate
that he did not know, and should not reasonably have
known, that the solicitation would further the
organization's terrorist activity; or

`(VI) to commit an act that the actor knows, or
reasonably should know, affords material support,
including a safe house, transportation,
communications, funds, transfer of funds or other
material financial benefit, false documentation or
identification, weapons (including chemical,
biological, or radiological weapons), explosives,
or training--

`(aa) for the commission of a terrorist activity;

`(bb) to any individual who the actor knows, or reasonably
should know, has committed or plans to commit a
terrorist activity;

`(cc) to a terrorist organization described in clause (vi)(I)
or (vi)(II); or

`(dd) to a terrorist organization described in clause
(vi)(III), unless the actor can demonstrate that he did
not know, and should not reasonably have known, that the
act would further the organization's terrorist activity.

This clause shall not apply to any material support
the alien afforded to an organization or individual
that has committed terrorist activity, if the
Secretary of State, after consultation with the
Attorney General, or the Attorney General, after
consultation with the Secretary of State,
concludes in his sole unreviewable discretion, that
this clause should not apply.'; and

(G) by adding at the end the following new clause:

`(vi) TERRORIST ORGANIZATION DEFINED- As used in clause (i)(VI)
and clause (iv), the term `terrorist organization'
means an organization--

`(I) designated under section 219;

`(II) otherwise designated, upon publication in the
Federal Register, by the Secretary of State in
consultation with or upon the request of the
Attorney General, as a terrorist organization, after
finding that the organization engages in the
activities described in subclause (I), (II), or (III)
of clause (iv), or that the organization provides
material support to further terrorist activity; or

`(III) that is a group of two or more individuals,
whether organized or not, which engages in the
activities described in subclause (I), (II), or (III)
of clause (iv).'; and

(2) by adding at the end the following new subparagraph:

`(F) ASSOCIATION WITH TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS- Any alien who the
Secretary of State, after consultation with the Attorney
General, or the Attorney General, after consultation with
the Secretary of State, determines has been associated with
a terrorist organization and intends while in the United
States to engage solely, principally, or incidentally
in activities that could endanger the welfare, safety, or
security of the United States is inadmissible.'.

(b) CONFORMING AMENDMENTS-

(1) Section 237(a)(4)(B) of the Immigration and Nationality Act
(8 U.S.C. 1227(a)(4)(B)) is amended by striking `section
212(a)(3)(B)(iii)' and inserting `section
212(a) (3)(B)(iv)'.

(2) Section 208(b)(2)(A)(v) of the Immigration and Nationality
Act (8 U.S.C. 1158(b)(2)(A)(v)) is amended by striking `or
(IV)' and inserting `(IV), or (VI)'.

(c) RETROACTIVE APPLICATION OF AMENDMENTS-

(1) IN GENERAL- Except as otherwise provided in this
subsection, the amendments made by this section shall take
effect on the date of the enactment of this Act and shall
apply to--

(A) actions taken by an alien before, on, or after such date;
and

(B) all aliens, without regard to the date of entry or
attempted entry into the United States--

(i) in removal proceedings on or after such date (except for
proceedings in which there has been a final administrative
decision before such date); or

(ii) seeking admission to the United States on or after such
date.

(2) SPECIAL RULE FOR ALIENS IN EXCLUSION OR DEPORTATION
PROCEEDINGS- Notwithstanding any other provision of law,
sections 212(a)(3)(B) and 237(a)(4)(B) of the Immigration
and Nationality Act, as amended by this Act, shall apply
to all aliens in exclusion or deportation proceedings on or
after the date of the enactment of this Act (except for
proceedings in which there has been a final administrative
decision before such date) as if such proceedings were
removal proceedings.

(3) SPECIAL RULE FOR SECTION 219 ORGANIZATIONS AND
ORGANIZATIONS DESIGNATED UNDER SECTION 212(a)(3)(B)(vi)(II)-

(A) IN GENERAL- Notwithstanding paragraphs (1) and (2), no alien
shall be considered inadmissible under section 212(a)(3) of
the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1182(a)(3)),
or deportable under section 237(a)(4)(B) of such Act (8
U.S.C. 1227(a)(4)(B)), by reason of the amendments made by
subsection (a), on the ground that the alien engaged in
a terrorist activity described in subclause (IV)(bb),
(V)(bb), or (VI)(cc) of section 212(a)(3)(B)(iv) of such Act
(as so amended) with respect to a group at any time when the
group was not a terrorist organization designated by the
Secretary of State under section 219 of such Act (8 U.S.C.
1189) or otherwise designated under section
212(a)(3)(B)(vi)(II) of such Act (as so amended).

(B) STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION- Subparagraph (A) shall not be
construed to prevent an alien from being considered
inadmissible or deportable for having engaged in a terrorist
activity--

(i) described in subclause (IV)(bb), (V)(bb), or (VI)(cc) of
section 212(a)(3)(B)(iv) of such Act (as so amended) with
respect to a terrorist organization at any time when such
organization was designated by the Secretary of State under
section 219 of such Act or otherwise designated under
section 212(a)(3)(B)(vi)(II) of such Act (as so amended);
or

(ii) described in subclause (IV)(cc), (V)(cc), or (VI)(dd) of
section 212(a)(3)(B)(iv) of such Act (as so amended) with
respect to a terrorist organization described in section
212(a)(3)(B)(vi)(III) of such Act (as so amended).

(4) EXCEPTION- The Secretary of State, in consultation with the
Attorney General, may determine that the amendments made by
this section shall not apply with respect to actions
by an alien taken outside the United States before the date
of the enactment of this Act upon the recommendation of a
consular officer who has concluded that there is not
reasonable ground to believe that the alien knew or
reasonably should have known that the actions would further a
terrorist activity.

(c) DESIGNATION OF FOREIGN TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS- Section
219(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C.
1189(a)) is amended--

(1) in paragraph (1)(B), by inserting `or terrorism (as defined
in section 140(d)(2) of the Foreign Relations Authorization
Act, Fiscal Years 1988 and 1989 (22 U.S.C.
2656f(d)(2)), or retains the capability and intent to engage
in terrorist activity or terrorism' after `212(a)(3)(B)';

(2) in paragraph (1)(C), by inserting `or terrorism' after
`terrorist activity';

(3) by amending paragraph (2)(A) to read as follows:

`(A) NOTICE-

`(i) TO CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS- Seven days before
making a designation under this subsection, the Secretary
shall, by classified communication, notify the Speaker and
Minority Leader of the House of Representatives, the
President pro tempore, Majority Leader, and Minority Leader
of the Senate, and the members of the relevant committees
of the House of Representatives and the Senate, in writing,
of the intent to designate an organization under this
subsection, together with the findings made under paragraph
(1) with respect to that organization, and the factual basis
therefor.

`(ii) PUBLICATION IN FEDERAL REGISTER- The Secretary shall
publish the designation in the Federal Register
seven days after providing the notification under clause
(i).';

(4) in paragraph (2)(B)(i), by striking `subparagraph (A)' and
inserting `subparagraph
(A)(ii)';

(5) in paragraph (2)(C), by striking `paragraph (2)' and
inserting `paragraph (2)(A)(i)';

(6) in paragraph (3)(B), by striking `subsection (c)' and
inserting `subsection (b)';

(7) in paragraph (4)(B), by inserting after the first sentence
the following: `The Secretary also may redesignate such
organization at the end of any 2-year redesignation period
(but not sooner than 60 days prior to the termination of
such period) for an additional 2-year period upon a finding
that the relevant circumstances described in paragraph (1)
still exist. Any redesignation shall be effective
immediately following the end of the prior 2-year
designation or redesignation period unless a different
effective date is provided in such redesignation.';

(8) in paragraph (6)(A)--

(A) by inserting `or a redesignation made under paragraph
(4)(B)' after `paragraph (1)';

(B) in clause (i)--

(i) by inserting `or redesignation' after `designation' the
first place it appears; and

(ii) by striking `of the designation'; and

(C) in clause (ii), by striking `of the designation';

(9) in paragraph (6)(B)--

(A) by striking `through (4)' and inserting `and (3)'; and

(B) by inserting at the end the following new sentence: `Any
revocation shall take effect on the date specified in the
revocation or upon publication in the Federal Register if no
effective date is specified.';

(10) in paragraph (7), by inserting `, or the revocation of a
redesignation under paragraph(6),' after `paragraph (5) or
(6)'; and

(11) in paragraph (8)--

(A) by striking `paragraph (1)(B)' and inserting `paragraph
(2)(B), or if a redesignation under this subsection has become
effective under paragraph (4)(B)';

(B) by inserting `or an alien in a removal proceeding' after
`criminal action'; and

(C) by inserting `or redesignation' before `as a defense'

(END SECTION)

Seon Ferguson

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> On 1/5/2010 10:59 PM, Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Beam Me Up Scotty" <Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote in
>> message news:4B4371FF...@Talk-n-dog.com...
>>>
>>>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>>> You are a hypocrite. Under lord Bush the 4th amendment was demolished
>>>>> under the patriot act and portions of the 1st amendment were trampled
>>>>> on. But it's ok when republicans trample on the Constitution just not
>>>>> when a black person does it right?
>>>
>>> OK now explain why that when that "black person does it" meaning uses
>>> the Patriot Act, then you have zero to say about it...
>>>
>>> Maybe if Obama had used his "Super powers" to *reverse* at least part of
>>> the Patriot act it would have been a hopeful sign.
>>>
>>>
>> It's a good thing I checked the other guys reply otherwise I never would
>> have realised you were replying to me. I mean when a black democrat (or
>> a white one) passes un constitutional acts you right wingers are up in
>> arms about it. But when a white republican does it you justify it. You
>> need to have the same set of standards for both parties.
>
> As it looks, you're the one that's making excuses for Obama at this
> moment and bush was an evil right wing nut....
>

Nope and if you paid attention to my posts you would see me say he has the
same masters Bush did.

> The truth is I'm not right wing and I didn't want Bush to have "card
> Blanch" with the Patriot act and why did your Democrat congress *NOT*
> let the sunset clause kill the Patriot act and then give limited powers
> to Obama that he needs to fight terrorists, that or DECLARE WAR on Al
> Qaeda to give constitutional powers to the President.
>

Um they aren't *my* democrats. Check out my server and you'll see why. But
the dem's did vote for the patriot act back in 2001.
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Seon Ferguson

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> On 1/5/2010 10:57 PM, Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Peter Franks" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
>> news:hhvi15$nfb$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>> You are a hypocrite. Under lord Bush the 4th amendment was demolished
>>>> under the patriot act and portions of the 1st amendment were trampled
>>>> on. But it's ok when republicans trample on the Constitution just not
>>>> when a black person does it right?
>>>
>>> No, its not alright.
>>
>> At least your no hypocrite. It's bad when Bush did it and bad when Obama
>> does it. But people like "Beam me up Scotty" are hypocrites.
>
> You obviously never read my posts.....
>

Funny I told you the same thing.

<snips stuff I didn't say>

Seon Ferguson

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> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>> You are a hypocrite. Under lord Bush the 4th amendment was demolished
>> under the patriot act and portions of the 1st amendment were trampled on.
>> But it's ok when republicans trample on the Constitution just not when a
>> black person does it right?
> >
>
> The infamous Patriot Act effects far more than the 4th A.
>
> Place the blame where it belongs.
>
> The Neocons wrote the infamous Patriot Act.
>
> Congress enacted the infamous Patriot Act.
>
> George Bush signed the infamous Patriot Act into law.
>
> The SCOTUS accepted it.
>
>

The democrats voted for the patriot act. And when will Obama get rid of it?

Strabo

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Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
> On 1/5/2010 10:57 PM, Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>
>> "Peter Franks" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
>> news:hhvi15$nfb$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>> You are a hypocrite. Under lord Bush the 4th amendment was demolished
>>>> under the patriot act and portions of the 1st amendment were trampled
>>>> on. But it's ok when republicans trample on the Constitution just not
>>>> when a black person does it right?

>>> No, its not alright.

>> At least your no hypocrite. It's bad when Bush did it and bad when Obama
>> does it. But people like "Beam me up Scotty" are hypocrites.
>
> You obviously never read my posts.....
>
> <QUOTE>
>> If you do not want to have to go through the scans you do not have to
>> fly because that is not a right.
>
>
> If you do *NOT* want to be scanned you do not have to walk on a public
> sidewalk?
>

Mobility is a Right.

Commercial airlines are private.

Highways and sidewalks are public.

I believe that Congress *cannot* lawfully pass an amendment which
removes or modifies any of the Bill of Rights.

To believe otherwise contradicts the intent and purpose of the
Constitution and nullifies the agreement.

Strabo

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He won't support that.

Obama-Soetoro argued in his biography and in a candidacy speech that the
Constitution needs to be changed. The infamous Patriot Act effectively
circumvents the Bill of Rights.

Poetic Justice

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On 1/6/2010 8:47 AM, Strabo wrote:
> Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
>> On 1/5/2010 10:57 PM, Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>
>>> "Peter Franks" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
>>> news:hhvi15$nfb$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>>> You are a hypocrite. Under lord Bush the 4th amendment was demolished
>>>>> under the patriot act and portions of the 1st amendment were trampled
>>>>> on. But it's ok when republicans trample on the Constitution just not
>>>>> when a black person does it right?
>
>>>> No, its not alright.
>
>>> At least your no hypocrite. It's bad when Bush did it and bad when Obama
>>> does it. But people like "Beam me up Scotty" are hypocrites.
>>
>> You obviously never read my posts.....
>>
>> <QUOTE>
>>> If you do not want to have to go through the scans you do not have to
>>> fly because that is not a right.
>>
>>
>> If you do *NOT* want to be scanned you do not have to walk on a public
>> sidewalk?
>>
>
> Mobility is a Right.

The 4th amendment is also.


> Commercial airlines are private.

They have zero authority to ignore your rights. Search and seizure
doesn't limit the 4th amendment to government violation. They are also
government regulated and the sucurity is government, not private.

> Highways and sidewalks are public.

Which is what an airport is. Which is what a runway is and given the
fact it's public transportation, the airplane is as public as a side
walk, we are charged for all of them.

Yes they can, prohibition was passed to ban alcohol, then I believe the
18th amendment created that ban on alcohol which was repealed, look at
amendment 13 - 21 I added them all below. It is how the constitution
was designed to work, passing laws has no effect on the Constitution,
but Congress has been passing laws for years that they think their laws
trump the constitution. They don't, NOTHING DOES.

> To believe otherwise contradicts the intent and purpose of the
> Constitution and nullifies the agreement.

NOT AT ALL, the whole point of the constitution was to make it difficult
to change the base laws of the nation. The fact that some judges have
declared that it's OK to search people without a warrant just highlights
that they are willing to lie to get more control of you.

Resources

Beam Me Up Scotty

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--

The Bill of Rights: A Transcription

The Preamble to The Bill of Rights

Congress of the United States begun and held at the City of New-York?,
on Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty
nine.

THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their
adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent
misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and
restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of
public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent
ends of its institution.

RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States
of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring,
that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the
several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States,
all, or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the
said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of
the said Constitution; viz.

ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United
States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the
Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the
original Constitution.

Note: The following text is a transcription of the first ten amendments
to the Constitution in their original form. These amendments were
ratified December 15, 1791, and form what is known as the "Bill of Rights."
Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed.
Amendment III

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without
the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be
prescribed by law.
Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,


supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place
to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous
crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in
cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in
actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be
subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or
limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness
against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without
due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use,
without just compensation.
Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a
speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district
wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have
been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and
cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against
him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor,
and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Amendment VII

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed
twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no
fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the
United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor
cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be
construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively,
or to the people.
The Constitution: Amendments 11-27

Constitutional Amendments 1-10 make up what is known as The Bill of
Rights. Amendments 11-27 are listed below.
AMENDMENT XI

Passed by Congress March 4, 1794. Ratified February 7, 1795.

Note: Article III, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by
amendment 11.

The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend
to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the
United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects
of any Foreign State.
AMENDMENT XII

Passed by Congress December 9, 1803. Ratified June 15, 1804.

Note: A portion of Article II, section 1 of the Constitution was
superseded by the 12th amendment.

The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot
for President and Vice-President?, one of whom, at least, shall not be
an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in
their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots
the person voted for as Vice-President?, and they shall make distinct
lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted
for as Vice-President?, and of the number of votes for each, which lists
they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the
government of the United States, directed to the President of the
Senate; � the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the
Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the
votes shall then be counted; � The person having the greatest number of
votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a
majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person
have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not
exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House
of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President.
But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the
representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this
purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the
states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.
And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President
whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth
day of March next following, then the Vice-President? shall act as
President, as in case of the death or other constitutional disability of
the President. The person having the greatest number of votes as
Vice-President?, shall be the Vice-President?, if such number be a
majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person
have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the
Senate shall choose the Vice-President?; a quorum for the purpose shall
consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of
the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person
constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible
to that of Vice-President? of the United States.

* Superseded by section 3 of the 20th amendment.

AMENDMENT XIII

Passed by Congress January 31, 1865. Ratified December 6, 1865. Note: A
portion of Article IV, section 2, of the Constitution was superseded by
the 13th amendment.
Section 1.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for
crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist
within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate
legislation.
AMENDMENT XIV

Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section
2 of the 14th amendment.
Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the
jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State
wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;
nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property,
without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its
jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Section 2.

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according
to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in
each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at
any election for the choice of electors for President and
Vice-President? of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the
Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the
Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such
State, being twenty-one years of age,* and citizens of the United
States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion,
or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in
the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the
whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
Section 3.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector
of President and Vice-President?, or hold any office, civil or military,
under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously
taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United
States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or
judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United
States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the
same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may
by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Section 4.

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law,
including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for
services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be
questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or
pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion
against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of
any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held
illegal and void.
Section 5.

The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate
legislation, the provisions of this article.

* Changed by section 1 of the 26th amendment.

AMENDMENT XV

Passed by Congress February 26, 1869. Ratified February 3, 1870.
Section 1.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied
or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race,
color, or previous condition of servitude--
Section 2.

The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate
legislation.
AMENDMENT XVI

Passed by Congress July 2, 1909. Ratified February 3, 1913.

Note: Article I, section 9, of the Constitution was modified by
amendment 16.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from
whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States,
and without regard to any census or enumeration.
AMENDMENT XVII

Passed by Congress May 13, 1912. Ratified April 8, 1913.

Note: Article I, section 3, of the Constitution was modified by the 17th
amendment.

The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from
each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each
Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the
qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the
State legislatures.

When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate,
the executive authority of such State shall issue writs of election to
fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may
empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the
people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.

This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or
term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the
Constitution.
AMENDMENT XVIII

Passed by Congress December 18, 1917. Ratified January 16, 1919.
Repealed by amendment 21.
Section 1.

After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture,
sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation
thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all
territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is
hereby prohibited.
Section 2.

The Congress and the several States shall have concurrent power to
enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Section 3.

This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as
an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of the several
States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the
date of the submission hereof to the States by the Congress.
AMENDMENT XIX

Passed by Congress June 4, 1919. Ratified August 18, 1920.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied
or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate
legislation.
AMENDMENT XX

Passed by Congress March 2, 1932. Ratified January 23, 1933.

Note: Article I, section 4, of the Constitution was modified by section
2 of this amendment. In addition, a portion of the 12th amendment was
superseded by section 3.
Section 1.

The terms of the President and the Vice President shall end at noon on
the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives
at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would
have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their
successors shall then begin.
Section 2.

The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such
meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall
by law appoint a different day.
Section 3.

If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President,
the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall
become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the
time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect
shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as
President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may
by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice
President shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as
President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected,
and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice
President shall have qualified.
Section 4.

The Congress may by law provide for the case of the death of any of the
persons from whom the House of Representatives may choose a President
whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them, and for the
case of the death of any of the persons from whom the Senate may choose
a Vice President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them.
Section 5.

Sections 1 and 2 shall take effect on the 15th day of October following
the ratification of this article.
Section 6.

This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as
an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of
the several States within seven years from the date of its submission.
AMENDMENT XXI

Passed by Congress February 20, 1933. Ratified December 5, 1933.
Section 1.

The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United
States is hereby repealed.
Section 2.

The transportation or importation into any State, Territory, or
Possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of
intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby
prohibited.
Section 3.

This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as
an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in the several States,
as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the
submission hereof to the States by the Congress.
AMENDMENT XXII

Passed by Congress March 21, 1947. Ratified February 27, 1951.
Section 1.

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than
twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as
President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person
was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more
than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the
office of President when this Article was proposed by Congress, and
shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President,
or acting as President, during the term within which this Article
becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as
President during the remainder of such term.
Section 2.

This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as
an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of
the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to
the States by the Congress.
AMENDMENT XXIII

Passed by Congress June 16, 1960. Ratified March 29, 1961.
Section 1.

The District constituting the seat of Government of the United States
shall appoint in such manner as Congress may direct:

A number of electors of President and Vice President equal to the whole
number of Senators and Representatives in Congress to which the District
would be entitled if it were a State, but in no event more than the
least populous State; they shall be in addition to those appointed by
the States, but they shall be considered, for the purposes of the
election of President and Vice President, to be electors appointed by a
State; and they shall meet in the District and perform such duties as
provided by the twelfth article of amendment.
Section 2.

The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate
legislation.
AMENDMENT XXIV

Passed by Congress August 27, 1962. Ratified January 23, 1964.
Section 1.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or
other election for President or Vice President, for electors for
President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in
Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any
State by reason of failure to pay poll tax or other tax.
Section 2.

The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate
legislation.
AMENDMENT XXV

Passed by Congress July 6, 1965. Ratified February 10, 1967. Note:
Article II, section 1, of the Constitution was affected by the 25th
amendment.
Section 1.

In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or
resignation, the Vice President shall become President.
Section 2.

Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the
President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon
confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
Section 3.

Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the
Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written
declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his
office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the
contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice
President as Acting President.
Section 4.

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal
officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress
may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate
and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written
declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and
duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the
powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of
the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written
declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and
duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either
the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body
as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the
President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of
Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable
to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress
shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that
purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after
receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in
session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble,
determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is
unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice
President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President;
otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
AMENDMENT XXVI

Passed by Congress March 23, 1971. Ratified July 1, 1971.

Note: Amendment 14, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by
section 1 of the 26th amendment.
Section 1.

The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of
age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United
States or by any State on account of age.
Section 2.

The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate
legislation.
AMENDMENT XXVII

Originally proposed Sept. 25, 1789. Ratified May 7, 1992.

No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and
Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of representatives
shall have intervened. [1]
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Beam Me Up Scotty

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Jan 6, 2010, 11:26:57 AM1/6/10
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On 1/6/2010 8:47 AM, Strabo wrote:
> Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
>> On 1/5/2010 10:57 PM, Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>
>>> "Peter Franks" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
>>> news:hhvi15$nfb$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>>> You are a hypocrite. Under lord Bush the 4th amendment was demolished
>>>>> under the patriot act and portions of the 1st amendment were trampled
>>>>> on. But it's ok when republicans trample on the Constitution just not
>>>>> when a black person does it right?
>
>>>> No, its not alright.
>
>>> At least your no hypocrite. It's bad when Bush did it and bad when Obama
>>> does it. But people like "Beam me up Scotty" are hypocrites.
>>
>> You obviously never read my posts.....
>>
>> <QUOTE>
>>> If you do not want to have to go through the scans you do not have to
>>> fly because that is not a right.
>>
>>
>> If you do *NOT* want to be scanned you do not have to walk on a public
>> sidewalk?
>>
>
> Mobility is a Right.

The 4th amendment is also.


> Commercial airlines are private.

They have zero authority to ignore your rights. Search and seizure
doesn't limit the 4th amendment to government violation. They are also

government regulated and the sucurity is government, not private.

> Highways and sidewalks are public.

Which is what an airport is. Which is what a runway is and given the


fact it's public transportation, the airplane is as public as a side
walk, we are charged for all of them.

>> Maybe your Government should require people to get a license to ride in

Yes they can, prohibition was passed to ban alcohol, then I believe the


18th amendment created that ban on alcohol which was repealed, look at
amendment 13 - 21 I added them all below. It is how the constitution
was designed to work, passing laws has no effect on the Constitution,
but Congress has been passing laws for years that they think their laws
trump the constitution. They don't, NOTHING DOES.

> To believe otherwise contradicts the intent and purpose of the


> Constitution and nullifies the agreement.

NOT AT ALL, the whole point of the constitution was to make it difficult


to change the base laws of the nation. The fact that some judges have
declared that it's OK to search people without a warrant just highlights
that they are willing to lie to get more control of you.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,


and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,

supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place
to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

AMENDMENT XIII

AMENDMENT XV

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Beam Me Up Scotty

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Jan 6, 2010, 11:29:13 AM1/6/10
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I don't read your sh!t


--


Seon Ferguson

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Jan 6, 2010, 8:00:52 PM1/6/10
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"Strabo" <str...@flashlight.net> wrote in message

news:Xw01n.1225$rH7....@newsfe19.iad...

Yeah I only wish I figured that out before he was elected. At least with
McCain we knew what we'd get (or America anyway)

BDK

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Jan 7, 2010, 2:04:50 AM1/7/10
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In article <lb-dnW1D4tf5r9jW...@westnet.com.au>,
seo...@gmail.com says...

What difference would it make? It's not like you can vote anyway!
--

BDK..
Leader of the nonexistent paid shills.
Non Jew Jew Club founding member.
Former number one Kook Magnet, title passed to Iarnrod.

Seon Ferguson

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Jan 7, 2010, 2:27:52 AM1/7/10
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"BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.25af519ef...@news.buckeye-express.com...

As I said we meaning you would know exactly what you voted for.
And I voted for Prell to go back to the old glass bottle. After that, I
became deeply cynical.

BDK

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Jan 7, 2010, 5:35:11 AM1/7/10
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In article <ONidnaYYnOtgEdjW...@westnet.com.au>,
seo...@gmail.com says...

You've got Prell over there too? Sheesh, I hadn't seen it for years, and
all of a sudden I saw a bunch of bottles of it sitting at a local store.
It doesn't smell like it used to, or I would have bought some. It's good
for oily hair...and what hair I have is oily.

--

Seon Ferguson

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Jan 8, 2010, 6:39:08 AM1/8/10
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"BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message

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Nope I just heard the quote on the Simpsons. My new years resolution is to
quote the Simpsons every chance I get.

Government Shill #2

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Jan 8, 2010, 11:32:30 AM1/8/10
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On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 22:39:08 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
wrote:

If you're going to quote someone you should use these "". They are called
Quotation Marks. Guess why.

--
Shill #2

"Me fail English? That's unpossible!"
Ralph Wiggum

BDK

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Jan 8, 2010, 12:34:54 PM1/8/10
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In article <9fnek5pq4o2fnkdc8...@4ax.com>,
gov....@gmail.com says...

Yeah, that would help. So would Seon learning to spell.

I doubt it's going to happen.

Government Shill #2

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Jan 8, 2010, 1:29:38 PM1/8/10
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I blame a lack of self respect.

--
Shill #2

I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)

Seon Ferguson

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Jan 8, 2010, 5:36:00 PM1/8/10
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"Government Shill #2" <gov....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Sure, if you want to do it the "conventional way"

BDK

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Jan 9, 2010, 2:24:55 AM1/9/10
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In article <tbuek55kcd183ujap...@4ax.com>,

My ex-GF ignores Seon for the most part. Maybe she should do a little
"paper" on him. Might be interesting.

Government Shill #2

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Jan 9, 2010, 4:53:37 AM1/9/10
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On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:36:00 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I'd be happy with an unconventional method such as:

Quote.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.
End quote.
Homer J. Simpson

or:

<quote>
The information super highway showed the average person
what some nerd thinks about Star Trek.
</quote>
Homer J. Simpson

Or any other method you can come up with that differentiates what you write
from what others write. We might have a chance of understanding what it is
you're getting at if you did that.

BDK

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Jan 9, 2010, 5:21:33 AM1/9/10
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In article <fakgk59bojo2j2fqk...@4ax.com>,
gov....@gmail.com says...

Why doesn't Seon just make up his own special language? Oh wait, other
people are supposed to understand what he means?

Wow. What a concept.

Rev. 11D Meow!

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Jan 13, 2010, 9:36:25 PM1/13/10
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You can spend a lot of time in jail for sucking the tiny penis of
'BDK', who is a juvenile under the age of consent.

Rev. 11D Meow!

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Jan 13, 2010, 9:37:15 PM1/13/10
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You can spend a lot of time in jail for sucking the tiny penis of

'Government Shill #2', who is a juvenile under the age of consent.

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