pilotsfor911truth.org says PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=18405
9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
FLIGHT DECK DOOR CLOSED FOR ENTIRE FLIGHT
(PilotsFor911Truth.org) - Newly decoded data provided by an independent
researcher and computer programmer from Australia exposes alarming
evidence that the reported hijacking aboard American Airlines Flight 77
was impossible to have existed. A data parameter labeled "FLT DECK DOOR",
cross checks with previously decoded data obtained by Pilots For 9/11
Truth from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) through the
Freedom Of Information Act.
On the morning of September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight 77
departed Dulles International Airport bound for Los Angeles at 8:20 am
Eastern Time. According to reports and data, a hijacking took place
between 08:50:54 and 08:54:11[1] in which the hijackers allegedly crashed
the aircraft into the Pentagon at 09:37:45. Reported by CNN, according to
Ted Olson, wife Barbara Olson had called him from the reported flight
stating, "...all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots,
were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers..."[2]. However,
according to Flight Data provided by the NTSB, the Flight Deck Door was
never opened in flight. How were the hijackers able to gain access to the
cockpit, remove the pilots, and navigate the aircraft to the Pentagon if
the Flight Deck Door remained closed?[3]
Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is a growing organization
of aviation professionals from around the globe. The organization has
analyzed Data provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
for the Pentagon Attack, the events in Shanksville, PA and the World
Trade Center attack. The data does not support the government story. The
NTSB/FBI refuse to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not offer theory or
point blame at this point in time. However, there is a growing mountain
of conflicting information and data in which government agencies and
officials along with Mainstream Media refuse to acknowledge. Pilots For
9/11 Truth Core member list continues to grow.
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And the govt shills can only respond with "only kooks believe in
conspiracies."
HAHAHAHA
BDK
@yahoo.com says...
No, only kooks believe what you just posted, and anything on the "911
truth" websites.
--
BDK..
Leader of the nonexistent paid shills.
Non Jew Jew Club founding member.
Former number one Kook Magnet, title passed to Iarnrod.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
news:MPG.257bdb504...@news.buckeye-express.com:
> In article <Xns9CD1C8AC2D042r...@216.168.3.70>,
> xeton2001 @yahoo.com says...
>>
>>
>> And the govt shills can only respond with "only kooks believe in
>> conspiracies."
>>
>> HAHAHAHA
>>
>
> No, only kooks believe what you just posted, and anything on the "911
> truth" websites.
You just proved my point. HAHAHA
BDK
@yahoo.com says...
You said that "the govt shills can only respond with "only kooks believe
in conspiracies." Conspiracies are real, but the 911 stuff you believe
in is pure nonsense.
Logic, science, sanity, and common sense back my "side" up. Insane
ravings are your "proof".
And every time I call you a kook, you prove me right.
Government Shill #2
Only kOOks believe in conspiracies on the basis of piss poor "facts".
Who is this "independent researcher and computer programmer from
Australia"?
You take this as "evidence" without knowing the source?
That my dear is kOOky.
--
Shill #2
Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
theobviousgcashman
Al Dykes
>
>9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
>FLIGHT DECK DOOR CLOSED FOR ENTIRE FLIGHT
>
>(PilotsFor911Truth.org) - Newly decoded data provided by an independent
>researcher and computer programmer from Australia exposes alarming
>evidence that the reported hijacking aboard American Airlines Flight 77
>was impossible to have existed. A data parameter labeled "FLT DECK DOOR",
>cross checks with previously decoded data obtained by Pilots For 9/11
>Truth from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) through the
>Freedom Of Information Act.
>
How do you explain the fact that 100 tons of aircraft wreckage that
could only be Flight 77 was found INSIDE the Pentagon along with body
parts that later DNA analysis identified as ALL the passengers and
crew that boarded the plane an hour earlier? FDR data and radar data
is consistent with the published path of Flight 77.
As for this silly claim, the FDR shows that the door had never been
opened in the 40 hours of flight data stored in it. This would
indicate that the most likely explanation was that the door sensor was
not in use on that version of aircraft.
This is written by someone that works on large-jet electronics. His
claim can be discusseed via the lonk, below.
"... the FAA mandates 70 [FDR data values] , I believe. Its up to
the airlines if they want to record other params. The vast majority
are just open, not wired to the systems that they are supposed to
record. This one just happens to support Balsawood Bobs newest
snakeoil scheme. "
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5354984#post5354984
--
Al Dykes
News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising.
- Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail
Freedom Man
the government has said regarding the alleged plane crashing into the
Pentagon on 9/11 is total rubbish. But when has "our" government NOT lied,
lied, and lied some more to the American citizens that these traitors
supposedly work for?
While it is clear that what hit the Pentagon was not the plane in question,
a better question is what happened to that flight and all who were aboard
it? Was it landed at a secret location, perhaps a military base, and the
passengers simply executed? Horrible as this sounds, what, to the
mass-murdering fascists behind this conspiracy, would those few lives matter
compared to the 3000 lost in the demolition-explosive induced collapses of
the twin towers?
What has become of America that this could happen here? At least the German
Nazis didn't commit genocide on their own people -
Al Dykes
Freedom Man <lib...@once.net> wrote:
>While the details are still uncertain at this time, it is clear that what
>the government has said regarding the alleged plane crashing into the
>Pentagon on 9/11 is total rubbish. But when has "our" government NOT lied,
>lied, and lied some more to the American citizens that these traitors
>supposedly work for?
>
>While it is clear that what hit the Pentagon was not the plane in question,
BDK
It's always so funny when the kooktards think they've found something
that breaks everything "wide open", and then it fails to be anything
meaningful whatsoever.
Eight years of being wrong. Should be enough for anyone, even Freedumb
Flighter..
rincewind
Why would they bother? They could kill them just as easily by plowing
the plane into the Pentagon!
If you were right, then they would have to kill the passengers and
crew, crush the plane and sneak pieces of the plane into the destroyed
Pentagon to be found by the team. Sounds kinda silly when you think of
it that way, doesn't it?
BDK
@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, edrh...@hotmail.com says...
Not to the true believer kooks. Makes perfect sense to them.
harry k
> In article <5c9cf388-5316-4491-aca3-66541ec4f191
>
> - Show quoted text -
Aye! Nothign is too silly, absurd or impossible for them to believe.
Harry K
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
news:que4h599birdvoijq...@4ax.com:
He's a lot more credible than your god Bush and yet you blindly accepted
his explanation of 19 arabs controlled by OBL. Have you ever seen a
shred of evidence for that theory?
Iarnrod
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=18405
>
> 9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
> FLIGHT DECK DOOR CLOSED FOR ENTIRE FLIGHT
He's wrong, of course, not in dispute. It was hijcaked by bin Laden's
terror team and crashed into the Pentagon,. PROVEN FACT.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
>
>
> How do you explain the fact that 100 tons of aircraft wreckage that
> could only be Flight 77 was found INSIDE the Pentagon
That's a lie. The govt said the entire plane was "vaporized"!! Even the
engine!!! HAHAHA
Iarnrod
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> He's a lot more credible than your god Bush and yet you blindly accepted
> his explanation of 19 arabs controlled by OBL. Have you ever seen a
> shred of evidence for that theory?
Other than his multiple admissions that he did it? Why, yes.
Government Shill #2
MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bush? Your ex-president? He's the biggest idiot on the world stage in the
past millennium. I wouldn't trust him if he said you were a booze crazed
loon, which you obviously are.
>and yet you blindly accepted
>his explanation of 19 arabs controlled by OBL. Have you ever seen a
>shred of evidence for that theory?
Lots and lots of evidence, but then I don't have a racial problem with
Arabs being every bit as smart as Americans. From your statement above it
seems to have you all riled up that Arabs could possibly have done that.
--
Shill #2
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American
public.
H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Al Dykes
Yup. Here is a bit of it.
The 19 Arab Islamist Hijackers Edited 7/16/09
http://911links.webs.com/19Hijackers.htm
Table of Contents
[1] Reading list for all the evidence we have about the hijackers.
[2] The martyrdom videos made by 7 of the hijackers.
[3] Arabic spoken in cockpits of hijacked planes.
[4] Boarding manifest for Flt11 that shows hijacker's names
[5] The names of the hijackers
[6] BBC on the names and reporting of the hijackers
[7] Answers to Zeitgeist The Movie: - Flight Manifests
[8] Status of Hijacker DNA - (2009)
[9] Answer to "At Least 7 of the 9/11 Hijackers are Still Alive"
[10] bin Laden Connections to the 19 hijackers
[11] News Report on hijackers as of Nov 2, 2001
[12] Hanjour as a pilot
[13] Photo and DNA ID match of some of the hijackers.
[14] Identification of the Flt 77 hijackers
[15] Pictures of the Hanjour and another hijacker boarding the airplanes.
[16] Details of airline tickets for some of the hijackers.
[17] 166-page 9/11 Commission document contains lots of information on hijacker visa applications, with a particular focus on Mohamed Atta.
[18] This 9/11 Commission document includes an INS analysis of Abdulaziz al-Omari's passport, presumably recovered from the Flight 11 crash scene, and reports on another Abdulaziz al-Omari who had no connection at all with terrorism or the plot, but was caught up in one of the "hijacker still alive" stories.
If you want to knowwhy each person is on the list, read any or all of these books to get an idea of just how much evidence for who hijacked the planes and how they are connected directly to bin Laden and KSM and the American Embassy bombings in Africa and the attack on the USS Cole. Some of these names were known to the FBI even before 9/11/2001 for their crimes.
[1] ----- Essential reading list ---------------------------
The Looming Tower: Al Qaeda and the Road to 9/11 by Lawrence
Perfect Soldiers: The 9/11 Hijackers: Who They Were, Why They Did It by Terry Mcdermott
The Shadow Factory: The Ultra-Secret NSA from 9/11 to the Eavesdropping on America, by James Bamford.
PBS Video on Bamford http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/spyfactory/program.html
Spying Blind by Amy Zegart
Perfect Soldiers by Terry McDermott
[2] -------Hijacker videos -------------------------------------------
This video has the martyrdom videos made by some of the hijackers.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1619489
Hijackers video wills (Scroll down to the bottom)
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Responsibility
[3] -------Arab Audio on Voice recorders --------------
We have the audio of Arabs on the recovered cockpit voice recorders.
The CVR clearly captured the words of the hijackers, including words in Arabic from the microphone in the pilot headset up to the end of the flight. The hijackers' statements, the clarity of the recording, the position of the microphone in the pilot headset, and the corresponding manipulations of flight controls provide the evidence. The quotes are taken from our listening to the CVR, aided by an Arabic speaker.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/9/11_Commission_Report/Notes/Part_1
[4] -----------Boarding Manifests ---------------------------
I have the boarding manifest for Flt11 that shows the names.
http://www.911myths.com/images/8/84/Flight_11_Manifest.gif http://www.911myths.com/images/8/84/Flight_11_Manifest.gif
Discussion
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=124907
Flash app shows seating, calls , hijackers,
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/flights/P200018.html
[5] -----Hijacker names ------------------------------
AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77
1) Khalid Almihdhar - Possible Saudi national
-Possible resident of San Diego, California, and New York
-Alias: Sannan Al-Makki; Khalid Bin Muhammad; 'Addallah Al-Mihdhar;
Khalid Mohammad Al-Saqaf
2) Majed Moqed - Possible Saudi national
-Alias: Majed M.GH Moqed; Majed Moqed, Majed Mashaan Moqed
3) Nawaf Alhazmi - Possible Saudi national
-Possible resident of Fort Lee, New Jersey; Wayne, New Jersey; San Diego, California
-Alias: Nawaf Al-Hazmi; Nawaf Al Hazmi; Nawaf M.S. Al Hazmi
4) Salem Alhazmi - Possible Saudi national
-Possible resident of Fort Lee, New Jersey; Wayne, New Jersey
5) Hani Hanjour -
-Possible resident of Phoenix, Arizona, and San Diego, California
-Alias: Hani Saleh Hanjour; Hani Saleh; Hani Hanjour, Hani Saleh H. Hanjour
AMERICAN AIRLINES #11 BOEING 767
1) Satam M.A. Al Suqami- Possible Saudi national
-Dates of birth used: June 28, 1976; Last known address: United Arab Emirates
2) Waleed M. Alshehri - Possible Saudi national
-Dates of birth used: September 13, 1974; January 1, 1976; March 3,
1976; July 8, 1977; December 20, 1978; May 11, 1979; November 5, 1979
-Possible residence(s): Hollywood, Florida; Orlando, Florida;
Daytona Beach, Florida
-Believed to be a pilot
3) Wail M. Alshehri
-Date of birth used: September 1, 1968
-Possible residence(s): Hollywood, Florida; Newton, Massachusetts
-Believed to be a pilot
4) Mohamed Atta - Possible Egyptian national
-Date of birth used: September 1, 1968
-Possible residence(s): Hollywood, Florida; Coral Springs, Florida;
Hamburg, Germany
-Believed to be a pilot
-Alias: Mehan Atta; Mohammad El Amir; Muhammad Atta; Mohamed El
Sayed; Mohamed Elsayed; Muhammad Muhammad Al Amir Awag Al Sayyid
Atta; Muhammad Muhammad Al-Amir Awad Al Sayad
5) Abdulaziz Alomari - Possible Saudi national
-Dates of birth used: December 24, 1972 and May 28, 1979
-Possible residence(s): Hollywood, Florida
-Believed to be a pilot
UNITED AIRLINES #175 BOEING 767
1) Marwan Al-Shehhi
-Date of birth used: May 9, 1978
-Possible residence(s): Hollywood, Florida
-Believed to be a pilot
-Alias: Marwan Yusif Muhammad Rashid Al-Shehi; Marwan Yusif Muhammad
Rashid Lakrab Al-Shihhi; Abu Abdullah
2) Fayez Rashid Ahmed Hassan Al Qadi Banihammad
-Possible residence(s): Delray Beach, Florida
-Alias: Fayez Ahmad; Banihammad Fayez Abu Dhabi Banihammad; Fayez
Rashid Ahmed; Banihammad Fayez; Rasid Ahmed Hassen Alqadi; Abu
Dhabi Banihammad ; Ahmed Fayez; Faez Ahmed
3) Ahmed Alghamdi
-Alias: Ahmed Salah Alghamdi
4) Hamza Alghamdi
-Possible residence(s): Delray Beach, Florida
-Alias: Hamza Al-Ghamdi; Hamza Ghamdi; Hamzah Alghamdi; Hamza
Alghamdi Saleh
5) Mohand Alshehri
-Possible residence(s): Delray Beach, Florida
-Alias: Mohammed Alshehhi; Mohamd Alshehri; Mohald Alshehri
UNITED AIRLINES #93 BOEING 757
1) Saeed Alghamdi
-Possible residence: Delray Beach, Florida
-Alias: Abdul Rahman Saed Alghamdi; Ali S Alghamdi; Al- Gamdi; Saad
M.S. Al Ghamdi; Sadda Al Ghamdi; Saheed Al-Ghamdi; Seed Al Ghamdi
2) Ahmed Ibrahim A. Al Haznawi - Possible Saudi national
-Date of birth used: October 11, 1980
-Possible residence: Delray Beach, Florida
-Alias: Ahmed Alhaznawi
3) Ahmed Alnami
-Possible residence: Delray Beach, Florida
-Alias: Ali Ahmed Alnami; Ahmed A. Al-Nami; Ahmed Al- Nawi
4) Ziad Samir Jarrah
-Believed to be a pilot
-Alias: Zaid Jarrahi; Zaid Samr Jarrah; Ziad S. Jarrah; Ziad Jarrah
Jarrat, Ziad Samir Jarrahi
[6] -----------------------------------------
BBC on the names and reporting of the hijackers
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2006/10/911_conspiracy_theory_1.html
[7] ----------------------------------
Answers to Zeitgeist The Movie: - Flight Manifests
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCj8X2glIrA
[8] ------------------------------------------------
Newsweek - Remains of the Day
Nineteen hijackers died on 9/11. What should be done with what's left of them? Eve Conant
From the magazine issue dated Jan 12, 2009
...Through a combination of innovative DNA-mapping techniques, help from the FBI's crime lab and dumb luck, the scientists have now ID'd four of the 10 New York hijackers. The remains of the nine hijackers from the Pentagon and Pennsylvania crash sites have also been confirmed; six other hijackers have yet to be identified. ...
http://www.newsweek.com/id/177724/output/print
[9] -----------------------------------------------
At Least 7 of the 9/11 Hijackers are Still Alive
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/hijackers.html
BBC Response
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2006/10/911_conspiracy_theory_1.html
[10] ----------------------------------------------------
bib Laden Connections to the 19 hijackers
[11] -------------------------------------------------------
News report as of Nov 2, 2001
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/11/02/attack/main316806.shtml
[12] --------------------------------------------
New York Newsday article from 9/23/01. "Despite Hanjour's poor reviews, he did have some ability as a pilot, said Bernard of Freeway Airport. "There's no doubt in my mind that once that [hijacked jet] got going, he could have pointed that plane at a building and hit it," he said." Most of the complaints that I've seen were that he couldn't land well. Considering what he was planning on doing, I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't exactly the top of his "skills to hone" list.
http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/disinfo/deceptions/nynewsday_sep23.html
Woman taught 9/11 hijacker how to fly
http://www.capeargus.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=55&fArticleId=3171841
[13] -------------------------
Photo and DNA ID match of some of the pilots.
This 9/11 Commission document explains how the FBI attempted to verify the hijackers identities (includes an apparent DNA match with Jarrah).
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13950034/T5-B62-T-Eldridge-Files-Aliases-and-IDs-Fdr-Doc-Req-54-and-43-FBI-ID-of-Hijackers-by-Family-Members-PENTTBOM
http://911myths.com/index.php/Image:Team5_Box62_AliasesAndIDs-FBIIDsHijackers-1.pdf
[14] ---- Identification of the Flt 77 hijackers ---------
This 9/11 Commission document includes details of a forensic examination of hijacker ID cards recovered from the Pentagon, and a list of identification documents belonging to the hijackers (passports, visas, driving licences, more).
http://911myths.com/images/b/ba/Team5_Box46_Chronology_US_Identifications.pdf
[15] --------------------------------
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x34702
[16] ---------------------------------
Details in hijacker tickets.
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4722224#post4722224
[17] ------------------------------
http://911myths.com/index.php/Image:Team5_Box51_Hijacker-Primary-Docs_AA11-ChronologySaudiVisaApps.pdf
[18] ------------------------------
Freedom Man
news:5c9cf388-5316-4491...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
--
But the fact is that that plane was NOT what hit the Pentagon.
What actually happened to it and the passengers remains unexplained.
Given the gravity of events that day, and the malevolent treason underlying
the conspiracy, anything should be considered possible.
george
> But the fact is that that plane was NOT what hit the Pentagon.
> What actually happened to it and the passengers remains unexplained.
> Given the gravity of events that day, and the malevolent treason underlying
> the conspiracy, anything should be considered possible
So you are making the kook claim that the observed evidence and the
physical evidence of the aircraft and passengers bodies in the
Pentagon was wrong?
Then you'll be able to give an explanation of the events of that day
to otherwise explain those facts?
Iarnrod
> But the fact is that that plane was NOT what hit the Pentagon.
And to say this, you're relying on data from the FDR from that very
plane, wreckage of which was IN the Pentagon?
What kind of drugs are you taking? You're actually saying the proof
that the plane didn't hit the Pentagon is to be found in the data
taken from the wreckage of the plane in the Pentagon.
> What actually happened to it and the passengers remains unexplained.
How so? Their bodies were recovered... you guessed it... in the
Pentagon wreckage.
> Given the gravity of events that day, and the malevolent treason underlying
> the conspiracy, anything should be considered possible.
Including that you are batshit insane, Reality Fighter.
BDK
@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>, iar...@yahoo.com says...
How messed up in the head do you have to be to think up the kind of
nonsense the kooks keep spouting?
The fact that many of these people are driving, working jobs, handling
money, etc, and totally unknown to the local mental health services
scares the sit out of me.
rincewind
> "rincewind" <edrho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
You haven't shown me that fact at all. You haven't shown me that a
plane did NOT hit the Pentagon. You also haven't explained how debris
from the plane AND bodies of the passengers came to be in the Pentagon
wreckage. Your theory doesn't hold water.
harry k
> "rincewind" <edrho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
If "anything should be conidered possible" why don't you consider that
the evidence (plane parts, black box, passengers) from that flight
were found in the pentagon shows that that _is_ what happened?
Something wrong with your logic circuit?
Harry K
BDK
@f18g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, turnk...@hotmail.com says...
That's putting it mildly.
Iarnrod
> In article <c1d87893-94c5-4fe0-be63-eb0ab28842f3
>
>
>
> > On Nov 30, 1:06 pm, "Freedom Man" <libe...@once.net> wrote:
>
> > > But the fact is that that plane was NOT what hit the Pentagon.
>
> > And to say this, you're relying on data from the FDR from that very
> > plane, wreckage of which was IN the Pentagon?
>
> > What kind of drugs are you taking? You're actually saying the proof
> > that the plane didn't hit the Pentagon is to be found in the data
> > taken from the wreckage of the plane in the Pentagon.
>
> > > What actually happened to it and the passengers remains unexplained.
>
> > How so? Their bodies were recovered... you guessed it... in the
> > Pentagon wreckage.
>
> > > Given the gravity of events that day, and the malevolent treason underlying
> > > the conspiracy, anything should be considered possible.
>
> > Including that you are batshit insane, Reality Fighter.
>
> How messed up in the head do you have to be to think up the kind of
> nonsense the kooks keep spouting?
>
> The fact that many of these people are driving, working jobs, handling
> money, etc, and totally unknown to the local mental health services
> scares the sit out of me.
I doubt Reality Fighter has a job.
BDK
eb81f5...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, iar...@yahoo.com says...
I agree, but others probably do. There was a local loon who somehow,
someway kept custody of her kid, even though the voices were talking to
and about her all the time. She used to call into where I worked at, and
she was definitely an Uberkook.
Freedom Man
--
You have not shown me that the plane in question DID hit the Pentagon, and
I've read a great deal of information indicating that it did not, but that
it was a missile of some kind. The few photos I've seen (strangely the
government withheld such things as surveillance camera recordings that WOULD
have proven their claim if true) did not show anything consistent with a
full sized airliner hitting the Pentagon. Given the government lies on other
aspects of 9/11, it is THEIR cliams that don't hold water - just alot of
innocent citizens' blood!
Government Shill #2
So you admit you don't have facts. Just incredulity.
--
Shill #2
I believe in evidence. I believe in observation, measurement, and
reasoning, confirmed by independent observers. I'll believe anything, no
matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it. The wilder and
more ridiculous something is, however, the firmer and more solid the
evidence will have to be.
Isaac Asimov - The Roving Mind (1983)
Al Dykes
There isn't a missile in the world (other than a nuke) that has one
percent of the impact energy of a 140 ton jet at 500MPH.
One percent.
Everyone that gives a shit about what happened at the Pentagon on and
after 9/11 should read:
_Firefight: Inside the Battle to Save the Pentagon on 9/11_
150 interviews with participants and eye-witnesses
Iarnrod
\
> You have not shown me that the plane in question DID hit the Pentagon,
Yes we did. All the passengers' bodies -- or parts of them --
including the hijackers' were in the wreckage. People saw it happen.
Parts of the actual aircraft were there. One of those parts was the
very flight data recorder on which you're now relying to say there was
no hijacking, you stupid shithead.
> and
> I've read a great deal of information indicating that it did not,
No you haven't.
> but that it was a missile of some kind.
Sorry, not possible. People who were there SAW the plane hit the
building.
> The few photos I've seen (strangely the
> government withheld such things as surveillance camera recordings that WOULD
> have proven their claim if true)
No the government did not do any such thing.
> did not show anything consistent with a
> full sized airliner hitting the Pentagon.
Yes it did.
The full sized jetliner and all its passengers were there in the
wreckage, idiot. How did they get there?
> Given the government lies on other
> aspects of 9/11,
Huh? WTF are you talking about? Name one.
> it is THEIR cliams that don't hold water - just alot of
> innocent citizens' blood!
You're a kook. Embrace it, Reality Fighter.
rincewind
So you still have to have a situation in which the Pentagon was blown
up by a missile then you would have to crush the airliner, kill the
passengers and sneak plane parts and body parts into the Pentagon.
Doesn't fly for me.
BDK
@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, edrh...@hotmail.com says...
Because you're sane, that's why. It takes a damaged brain to buy the
bullshit they do for a week, let alone eight years.
A VFW
BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
> You just proved my point. HAHAHA
NO foreign terrorists attacked America that day, Mr. President. It was
a monumental conspiracy by the Cheney administration (Georgie, the
Idiot, was sent out of town, to an elementary school, where he was
too dumb to notice that he was holding a child's reading book upside
down.)
<
For years I -- and others -- have been accumulating facts and evidence
that proves, beyond all reasonable doubt, that 911 was a government
conspracy.
<
Look, for example, at the most recent developments. Nanothermite,
often used in construction demolition, was discovered in the dust of
the fallen WTC towers.
<
The monumental conspiracy of 911 had been planned
months before the towers fell -- and the end result is that Cheney-
Bush got carte blanche to invade the Middle East
and cause the death of more than a million human beings,
the majority probably children.
<
Let me just show you just a few.
<
http://whatreallyhappened.com/TheTruth11_files/slide0028_image029.jpg
Al Dykes
A VFW <georg...@toast.net> wrote:
>In article <MPG.257bef2a7...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
> BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
>
>> You just proved my point. HAHAHA
>
>NO foreign terrorists attacked America that day, Mr. President. It was
>a monumental conspiracy by the Cheney administration (Georgie, the
>Idiot, was sent out of town, to an elementary school, where he was
>too dumb to notice that he was holding a child's reading book upside
>down.)
How we know the identities of the 19 Arab Islamist Hijackers Edited 7/16/09
http://911links.webs.com/19Hijackers.htm
[2] -------Hijacker videos -------------------------------------------
[4] -----------Boarding Manifests ---------------------------
[5] -----Hijacker names ------------------------------
[6] -----------------------------------------
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[11] -------------------------------------------------------
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[15] --------------------------------
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x34702
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Iarnrod
> In article <MPG.257bef2a7eea402798b...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
>
> BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote:
> > You just proved my point. HAHAHA
>
> NO foreign terrorists attacked America that day, Mr. President.
You're lying of course. UBL has admitted it. Try to keep up, and stay
off the drugs.
> It was
> a monumental conspiracy by the Cheney administration (Georgie, the
> Idiot, was sent out of town, to an elementary school, where he was
> too dumb to notice that he was holding a child's reading book upside
> down.)
BWAHAAHAHAAAA!!!!! Were you dropped on your head as a child?
> For years I -- and others -- have been accumulating facts and evidence
> that proves, beyond all reasonable doubt, that 911 was a government
> conspracy.
No you haven't. You've been collecting delusions and lies because you
are a moron. The facts and evidence CONTRADICT everything you say.
Your claims are physically impossible.
> Look, for example, at the most recent developments. Nanothermite,
> often used in construction demolition, was discovered in the dust of
> the fallen WTC towers.
1) your mythical nanothermite is not used in any construction
demolition, you're just lying. 2) No such thing was discovered in any
dust, you stupid kook.
It's amazing to me how you bozos hand-wave away proven reality and
physics while rushing to embrace the flimsiest physical
impossibilities.
> The monumental conspiracy of 911 had been planned
> months before the towers fell -- and the end result is that Cheney-
> Bush got carte blanche to invade the Middle East
> and cause the death of more than a million human beings,
> the majority probably children.
And for what purpose, kook?
Lay off the drugs.
> Let me just show you just a few.
> <http://whatreallyhappened.com/TheTruth11_files/slide0028_image029.jpg
Is that an al Qaeda victim?
harry k
> In article <MPG.257bef2a7eea402798b...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
>
> > You just proved my point. HAHAHA
>
> NO foreign terrorists attacked America that day, Mr. President. It was
> a monumental conspiracy by the Cheney administration (Georgie, the
> Idiot, was sent out of town, to an elementary school, where he was
> too dumb to notice that he was holding a child's reading book upside
> down.)
> <
> For years I -- and others -- have been accumulating facts and evidence
> that proves, beyond all reasonable doubt, that 911 was a government
> conspracy.
> <
> Look, for example, at the most recent developments. Nanothermite,
> often used in construction demolition, was discovered in the dust of
> the fallen WTC towers.
<snip remaining doper dreams>
Really? A non-explosive substance was used in CD? Got even one cite
for that?
Harry K
BDK
georg...@toast.net says...
> In article <MPG.257bef2a7...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
> BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
>
> > You just proved my point. HAHAHA
>
> NO foreign terrorists attacked America that day, Mr. President.
Mr. President? Who you talkin' to Willis?
> It was a monumental conspiracy by the Cheney administration (Georgie, the
> Idiot, was sent out of town, to an elementary school, where he was
> too dumb to notice that he was holding a child's reading book upside
> down.)
Fraid not.
> <
> For years I -- and others -- have been accumulating facts and evidence
> that proves, beyond all reasonable doubt, that 911 was a government
> conspracy.
In 8 years, you still have nothing but insane, kooktardic claims.
> <
> Look, for example, at the most recent developments. Nanothermite,
> often used in construction demolition, was discovered in the dust of
> the fallen WTC towers.
BWHAHAHAHAHA! That's hilariously stupid.
> <
> The monumental conspiracy of 911 had been planned
> months before the towers fell -- and the end result is that Cheney-
> Bush got carte blanche to invade the Middle East
> and cause the death of more than a million human beings,
> the majority probably children.
That's the conspiracy, you loon. They used 911 as the excuse.
> <
> Let me just show you just a few.
> <
> http://whatreallyhappened.com/TheTruth11_files/slide0028_image029.jpg
>
Gory pics from a kooksite are as meaningless as your ravings.
Al Dykes
> BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
>
>> You just proved my point. HAHAHA
>
>NO foreign terrorists attacked America that day, Mr. President. It was
Why We know that 19 Arab Islamist Hijackers Attacked Us on 9/11 Edited 7/16/09
george
closed circuit that the 'black box' expected so it produced a null
value (which in this case was a 'Door closed'
Since this 'door closed' signal was recorded for at least 40 hours the
claim doesn't wash.
How many times do you imagine the aircrew swapped, got the stewards
and stewardesses to bring them coffee, tea or meals in that 40 hours?