S. B. T.
David Von Pein
>>> "It seems that his {Pat Speer's} explanation for the bullet found on the stretcher was that it fell out of Kennedy's back wound. It seems patently obvious that that couldn't have been the case since a bullet that had stopped so quickly would have been damaged far more, and in a far different manner, than the bullet that was found." <<<
Yes. Plus there's the simple fact that JFK's stretcher was NEVER in an
area of the hospital where the bullet was found by Darrell Tomlinson.
(Nor was Kennedy's body ever in that area of the hospital where the
bullet was found.)
Which HAS to mean (sans any silly unsupportable "planting" theory as
an alternative) that CE399 had to have been found on Connally's
stretcher -- which further solidifies the SBT...and in two additional
ways really.
One of the ways being: Connally was hit by only one bullet--which HAD
to be CE399, since 399 HAD to have come off Connally's stretcher,
seeing as how it could not possibly have come off of the stretcher
occupied by the ONLY OTHER PERSON hit by ammunition from Oswald's
rifle on 11/22/63--John F. Kennedy.
The second way being: The bullet (CE399) couldn't have gotten into
Connally unless it passed through JFK's body first (given the vantage
point of Oswald's shooting perch on the 6th Floor of the Depository,
and the time when the men were being shot in their respective upper
backs, via the Zapruder Film).
JFK's body was between Oswald and Connally at this crucial "SBT" time.
There is no question about that fact, and the FBI's reconstruction
tests in Dealey Plaza on May 24, 1964, confirmed this fact.
Plus, the image that I've linked below (taken from Dale Myers'
"Secrets Of A Homicide" computer animation project, which is a
computer model that has been "Key Framed" right into the Zapruder Film
itself) also verifies the fact that there would have been no chance in
Hades of a gunman in the TSBD's Sniper's Nest being able to hit John
Connally with a separate bullet (in the location on JBC's upper back
where we KNOW HE WAS HIT) at the point in time when the Zapruder Film
indicates he was hit by a bullet:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/images/SOH_1061.jpg
Therefore, given these basic and extremely-easy-to-determine facts,
the bullet that struck Connally had NO CHOICE but to have gone through
the body of President Kennedy first.
William of Occam (and his handy Razor) should rule this case --
instead of theorists like Mark Lane, Bob Groden, Oliver Stone, David
Lifton, Jim Fetzer, and John Armstrong (et al).
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IN A (LONE) NUTSHELL -- THE SINGLE-BULLET THEORY:
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/0b30398a449c05b7
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robcap...@netscape.com
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> >>> "It seems that his {Pat Speer's} explanation for the bullet found on the stretcher was that it fell out of Kennedy's back wound. It seems patently obvious that that couldn't have been the case since a bullet that had stopped so quickly would have been damaged far more, and in a far different manner, than the bullet that was found." <<<
"Yes. Plus there's the simple fact that JFK's stretcher was NEVER in
an area of the hospital where the bullet was found by Darrell
Tomlinson. (Nor was Kennedy's body ever in that area of the hospital
where the bullet was found.)"
You two should take your show on the road! You are hilarious!! So
let me get this straight, a bullet that enters two inches into muscle
is supposed to be more damaged that one that causes 7 wounds and
breaks three bones? Sniffing glue is NOT a safe hobby. Besides,
Hoover said the bullet on the stretcher came from JFK, not JBC. Prove
JFK's stretcher was nowhere near where the magic bullet was found.
"Which HAS to mean (sans any silly unsupportable "planting" theory as
an alternative) that CE399 had to have been found on Connally's
stretcher -- which further solidifies the SBT...and in two additional
ways really."
You can't PROVE JFK's stretcher was never near the area Tomlinson
found the bullet, and you can't PROVE the bullet found by Tomlinson
was: 1) on JBC's stretcher, and 2) was the bullet the WC showed as the
official bullet. How do you overcome this? Lie, lie, lie of course.
Be Von Pein, Dave Von Pein, a Liar for Hire.
"One of the ways being: Connally was hit by only one bullet--which HAD
to be CE399, since 399 HAD to have come off Connally's stretcher,
seeing as how it could not possibly have come off of the stretcher
occupied by the ONLY OTHER PERSON hit by ammunition from Oswald's
rifle on 11/22/63--John F. Kennedy."
Prove he was hit by one bullet (JBC) as the Z-film shows two distinct
wounds occurring, and of course we have JBC himself saying he was NOT
hit with the same bullet as JFK. Prove it was JBC's, the man who
brought it down would NOT say it was, so how do you prove it? How do
you know the other stretcher against the wall was NOT JFK's.
"The second way being: The bullet (CE399) couldn't have gotten into
Connally unless it passed through JFK's body first (given the vantage
point of Oswald's shooting perch on the 6th Floor of the Depository,
and the time when the men were being shot in their respective upper
backs, via the Zapruder Film)."
Unfortunately this is all conjecture as the bullet (CE-399) was NEVER
shown to have been inside JFK or JBC. There was no blood, no tissue,
not clothing striations, nada.
"JFK's body was between Oswald and Connally at this crucial "SBT"
time. There is no question about that fact, and the FBI's
reconstruction tests in Dealey Plaza on May 24, 1964, confirmed this
fact."
There is a ton of questions about how you know LHO was firing a weapon
when the WC could NEVER prove this theory. The reconstruction was not
accurate in the alignment of the two men or the placement of the back
wound which was NOT near the base of the neck.
"Plus, the image that I've linked below (taken from Dale Myers'
"Secrets Of A Homicide" computer animation project, which is a
computer model that has been "Key Framed" right into the Zapruder Film
itself) also verifies the fact that there would have been no chance in
Hades of a gunman in the TSBD's Sniper's Nest being able to hit John
Connally with a separate bullet (in the location on JBC's upper back
where we KNOW HE WAS HIT) at the point in time when the Zapruder Film
indicates he was hit by a bullet:"
There was little chance of a gunman hitting anything but a tree or a
sign from the eastern window of the TSBD. Especially with a shoddy
rifle.
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/images/SOH_1061.jpg
"Therefore, given these basic and extremely-easy-to-determine facts,
the bullet that struck Connally had NO CHOICE but to have gone through
the body of President Kennedy first."
Prove it. It has been 44 years and still NO proof this happened. Sure
a bullet hits JFK in the back and says, gee, I better hit the other
guy in front of me. The bullet in JFK's back did NOT transverse his
body, i.e., it NEVER exited.
"William of Occam (and his handy Razor) should rule this case --
instead of theorists like Mark Lane, Bob Groden, Oliver Stone, David
Lifton, Jim Fetzer, and John Armstrong (et al)."
Keeping it simple works best when one has a lot to hide, right Dave?
David Von Pein
And Non-Laughable Scenario) ----
If The "Single-Bullet Theory" Isn't Correct, Then What IS The Accurate
Shooting Scenario To Explain The Virtually-Simultaneous Wounding Of
President Kennedy And Governor Connally On 11/22/63?
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On November 22nd, 1963, when President John Fitzgerald Kennedy was hit
in the upper back with a 6.5-millimeter full-metal-jacketed bullet
fired by assassin Lee Harvey Oswald (from Oswald's own bolt-action
Mannlicher-Carcano rifle), it marked the beginning of what many, many
people around the world deem to be an "absolutely-impossible
occurrence" -- for that wound on John Kennedy's back was the first
"link" in what is now known as the "Single-Bullet Theory" (with some
conspiracists referring to it as the "Magic-Bullet Theory").
But, in reality, there is no "magic" to this "theory" at all. The
"SBT"
bullet that was fired by Oswald from his sixth-floor Sniper's Perch in
the Texas School Book Depository Building did not have to "zig" and
"zag" all over God's Creation in order to strike both JFK and Texas
Governor John Connally that day in Dallas. That is a provably-wrong
"CT
myth". Connally was seated "inboard" of Kennedy and was seated a few
inches lower in his jump seat than was the President on the back seat.
And the bullet in question did not have to "stop in mid-air" for XX
number of seconds, per what many pro-conspiracy people seem to want to
think. The reactions of the two victims in the Presidential limousine
are completely consistent with one bullet having struck both men at
the
very same point in time. Just watch this real-time video clip (below)
from Abraham Zapruder's home movie a few times back-to-back. After
doing so, it's nearly impossible (IMO) to totally discount the idea
that the two victims are reacting to being hit by gunfire at precisely
the same time. ......
http://users.skynet.be/mar/SBT/Images2/222-262%20full-small.gif
Via my own personal common-sense view re. the subject, the long and
short of this decades-long debate over the accuracy of the "SBT" is
simply this -- It doesn't really matter, in the long run, whether
anybody "believes" the SBT is true and/or doable or not.
Why not? -- Because the hard, physical evidence that exists is telling
us beyond much doubt whatsoever that JFK and Governor Connally WERE,
indeed, wounded simultaneously by way of Bullet "CE399".
Moreover, the current LACK of any other evidence existing to suggest
that the SBT is totally wrong only enhances the likelihood that the
SBT
is probably right.
That is to say, if the SBT is filled with as many holes as most CTers
claim it is, and if JFK and JBC had been hit by other bullets to
explain their "SBT"-like wounds -- then I have a valid question for
CTers .... Where is the evidence for this? Where are these bullets?
Why
were none of these "other bullets" recovered in (or near) EITHER
victim? And THREE disappearing bullets, to boot?!! All going AWOL!
Just...silly.*
* = And some people even go one bullet better than that, theorizing
that Connally was hit twice, rather than just once. So, that theory
would increase the count of "vanishing missiles" to four; which also
boosts such a theory to practically immeasurable levels of
improbability, not to mention "absurdity".
No anti-SBT theorist has come even remotely close to believably
answering those reasonable inquiries I asked above.
As difficult as it is for some people to believe, the sum total of the
evidence (plus just ordinary common sense) is telling us that the
Single-Bullet Conclusion is, indeed, almost certainly the correct
conclusion.
Also -- As hinted previously, by NOT believing the SBT is even vaguely
possible, conspiracy theorists are, by default, believing in an
alternate scenario (ANY alternate scenario; and it doesn't really
matter which "what if?" theory is being postulated) which could ONLY
have been much more bizarre and highly-improbable than that of the
SBT.
So much so, in fact, that only a moron could possibly place any faith
in such pro-conspiracy malarkey over and above the logicality of the
Single-Bullet Theory.
Conspiracists do realize that fact...right? (Or do they? I wonder.)
Why do I say such a bold thing about the anti-SBT stance?
Because......
Lacking the SBT, all of this incredible stuff (somehow) must have
occurred in Dallas in '63:
1.) Three different gunmen sprayed Kennedy and Connally with three
bullets in a way to make it seem like the three bullet holes in the
two
victims could be (falsely) "connected" in such a perfect fashion so
that these wounds could be "explained away" as being caused by one
bullet. (The word "remarkable", alone, can't do justice to this type
of
shooting feat. Terms like "phenomenal", "extraordinary", and
"miraculous" should be added here, too. Not to mention "laughable".)
2.) Two bullets go into JFK and never come out again (despite no hard
substances being hit inside Kennedy's neck or back at all). (All the
X-rays are fakes too...right?)
3.) A separate bullet hit John Connally in his back, even though
Kennedy is situated directly between the shooter and Connally. And,
this "separate", unimpeded bullet somehow starts to tumble while in
flight, having hit nothing during its flight to Mr. Connally's back,
causing an elogated, keyhole-shaped wound on the Governor's back.
4.) Bullet CE399 was "planted" by some unidentified conspirator inside
Parkland Hospital prior to 2:00 PM on 11/22/63....a time which is
simply crazy for the plotters to want to plant any bullets. (Because
they could not possibly have known for certain at that time whether or
not the planted missile would turn out to be superfluous.)
5.) All three "real" bullets (which "fake" a nice "SBT" scenario later
on) magically disappear, never entering the record in the murder case,
and are never seen by anyone (other than "plotters", naturally).
6.) The three gunmen who caused the three wounds (wounds that would
later be turned into the "SBT" by the Warren Commission) all fired
their weapons in perfect synchronization to one another, making it
look
beautiful on the Zapruder Film. Because these THREE separate shots ALL
LOOK LIKE JUST ONE HIT on the Z-Film.
A truly amazing job by those three assassins indeed.
And, somehow, per CTers, believing in all of the above nonsense is
supposedly MORE rational, well-thought-out, fact-based, and (above
all)
reasonable than sticking with the known-to-exist evidence of the
Single-Bullet Theory??
If anyone really believes that this "SBT Alternative" is a more
"reasonable" conclusion than the SBT, medical treatment should be
sought asap.
Footnote -- BTW, it was, in truth, actually the autopsy doctors who
sowed the first seeds of the "SBT", not Arlen Specter and the Warren
Commission. The first hint of the SBT is right there in JFK's Official
Autopsy Report, which states, unambiguously, that the same bullet that
went into President Kennedy's back exited from the front of his
throat.
Therefore, via the autopsy doctors, that bullet is now hanging in
mid-air after coming out of JFK's neck. So -- where could it have
gone?
There are only two possible answers to that question:
1.) The bullet went into John B. Connally's body.
-- Or: --
2.) It struck the interior of the automobile without injuring anyone
in
the car (which would, of course, have caused obvious damage to the
vehicle interior).
Number 2 did not occur (per Robert Frazier of the FBI, who examined
the
limo and found no signs of such bullet damage to the back seats).
Therefore, the ONLY possible answer to the mystery is: the bullet went
into the body of Governor Connally.
How is ANY other scenario possible (without having to use the words
"Everything Was Fixed, Faked, And/Or Fabricated By Unknown
Conspirators")?
~~MARK VII~~
David Von Pein
February 2006
David Von Pein
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"LHO shot no one that day." -- Rob "Super Kook" Caprio
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"I can tell the readers of this book ["RH"] that if anyone in
the future maintains to them that Oswald was just a patsy and did not
kill Kennedy, that person is either unaware of the evidence against
Oswald or simply a very silly person. .... Any denial of Oswald's
guilt is not worthy of serious discussion." -- Vince Bugliosi
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"The dreadful illogic and superficiality of the conspiracy
theorists' modus operandi has inevitably resulted in the following
situation: Though they have dedicated their existence to trying to
poke holes in the Warren Commission's findings, they have failed
abysmally to tell us (if the Warren Commission was wrong) what
actually did happen. In other words, other than blithely tossing out
names, they have failed to offer any credible evidence of who, if not
Oswald, killed Kennedy. Nor have they offered any credible evidence at
all of who the conspirators behind the assassination were. So after
more than forty years, if we were to rely on these silly people, we'd
have an assassination without an assassin (since, they assure us,
Oswald didn't kill Kennedy), and a conspiracy without conspirators.
Not a simple achievement." -- VB
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"It couldn't have been more obvious within hours after the
assassination that Oswald had murdered Kennedy, and within no more
than a day or so thereafter that he had acted alone. And this is
precisely the conclusion that virtually all local (Dallas), state
(Texas), and federal (FBI and Secret Service) law enforcement agencies
came to shortly after the assassination. Nothing has ever changed
their conclusion or proved it wrong." -- VB
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lazu...@webtv.net
aren't so easily buffaloed by stooges...Laz
robcap...@netscape.com
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> "LHO shot no one that day." -- Rob "Super Kook" Caprio
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"I can tell the readers of this book ["RH"] that if anyone in
the future maintains to them that Oswald was just a patsy and did not
kill Kennedy, that person is either unaware of the evidence against
Oswald or simply a very silly person. .... Any denial of Oswald's
guilt is not worthy of serious discussion." -- Vince Bugliosi"
Arrange Bugman to come on here and debate, and we'll show him how
little we know the evidence. He is a mouthpiece and a "Liar for Hire"
like you.
David Von Pein
Rob,
You can't even recognize the fact that the evidence in the Kennedy
case IS the evidence in the Kennedy case. You think it should all be
chucked out the window for some reason.
So how could you ever hope to "solve" a case with no evidence
connected to it at all?
As I said previously--you are:
In-con-ceiv-able.
And you prove this with every inane "There Is No Evidence Against LHO"
post you make.
martyb...@gmail.com
wrote:
Jesus Gil, do something constructive like taking Heally out for a
night on the town. I hear he's getting bed sores from spending to
much time in bed at the home.
aeffects
Mah-tay you need to get back to asking questions on .johnnies..... we
understand you're sporting a perpetual woody now that Bill Clark has
recognized your pathetic ass.... get on that LBJ library son, your
country needs you..... LMFAO
Mah-tay they need you....
aeffects
lazu...@webtv.net
withess in dealey plaza say they were hit by the same bullet?
aeffects
> If the SBT was so obvious as DVP claims-why didn't one single solitary
> withess in dealey plaza say they were hit by the same bullet?
Von Pein claims nothing..... he be the acj copy and paste arteeeeeest.
He's not allowed to opine :)
robcap...@netscape.com
"Rob,
You can't even recognize the fact that the evidence in the Kennedy
case IS the evidence in the Kennedy case. You think it should all be
chucked out the window for some reason."
Dave, that is YOUR problem, you have NO evidence. You can't make
things be evidence when they do NOT tie the alleged person to the
crime you are accussing them of. Well, I guess you can, but you won't
get a conviction. And it should be chucked out the window because it
is not conclusive or connects LHO to the crimes.
"So how could you ever hope to "solve" a case with no evidence
connected to it at all?"
Dave there is much evidence, but it shows it was a conspiracy so you
don't recognize it. I think you have things backwards as the REAL
conclusive evidence is what you are ignoring.
"As I said previously--you are:
In-con-ceiv-able."
And you are delusional, but things are still the same. You have NO
real evidence against LHO, so it is time for you to start recognizing
it is someone else who is guilty.
"And you prove this with every inane "There Is No Evidence Against
LHO" post you make."
Thanks! That is MY POINT, since the evidence does NOT show LHO to be
guilty, it has to be "ABO" who did the crimes.
David Von Pein
patsy and did not kill Kennedy, that person is either unaware of the
evidence against Oswald or simply a very silly person. .... Any denial
I agree, Vince. 100%.
It's time to send Robby packing for Neptune on the next
spaceship....because based on his continual insistence that there is
"NO real evidence against LHO", it seems pretty clear to me (and has
for some time) that Robby-boy would be much happier on another planet.
(He's already in The Twilight Zone regarding this case as it is.)
robcap...@netscape.com
Typical Archie Bunker spiel here, you don't like what the government
says is true then get out. Too bad if we give NO evidence, our word
is good mentality here by Dave. Of course Dave's paycheck depends on
people believing these lies. He is probably paid by the LIE. He is a
"Liar for Hire" everyone. He missed the part about citizens
questioning the government in a democracy, or else he thinks this is
NOT a democracy. I sure Dave would love it if we adopted Nazi
Germany's political system. Lies go so much better and easier then,
quicker to get paid as well.