Mary Bledsoe Testimony
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on 11/22/63 they claimed he took for two blocks as part of his escape
following the alleged assassination of JFK.
This testimony was done in a deposition form, meaning she was not in
front of the full WC when she gave it, instead she went to the offices
of Mr. Belin, Mr. Ball and Mr. Jenner who were acting counsels to the
WC. An interesting note is she was accompanied by Miss Melody June
Douthit, her lawyer, and it is an ironic fact of this case that
witnesses had lawyers, and the accused, LHO had no one defending his
rights.
Let's look at some of her testimony. The reason the WC claimed she
ID'd LHO on the bus is because he had rented a room from her for about
a week in October 1963.
Mr. BALL - Now, did you ever rent a room in your home to Lee Oswald?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes; uh huh.
She gives a lot of details on how she met him the first time.
Mr. BALL - Then did he tell you what his name was?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Oh, yes.
Mr. BALL - What did he say?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - His name was Oswald, and he put it on this thing, **and
my son took it and sold it.**
What is this thing?
Mr. BALL - You said he put it on this thing?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - This right here.
Mr. BALL - What is, "this thing"?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Calendar.
So what was this calendar used for?
Mr. BALL - That is the calendar for December 1963, and I notice it has
dates and names and dates. Is that the way you keep books on your
rooms?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes; but I don't now. I did then, because I just had
started. The first one I got was in September.
Mr. BALL - September of 1963?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Uh-huh.
Mr. BALL - He put his name on the calendar?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, got it in September. He got it, **my son sold it
for $5, and I didn't even know that he tore that out.**
Mr. BALL - Now, let me see here in this calendar. It runs from January
1963, to December of 1963, **but October of 1963, has been torn out?**
Mrs. BLEDSOE - **Uh-huh.** And he said his name was Lee Oswald was
what his name was, and I said, "Well, I can't think of that name
Oswald, I will call you Lee."
So, he put it down on the 4th. Just rented for a week, you see, the
7th.
So she claims (or maybe the WC told her to claim) LHO rented a room
for a week in October 1963, and the calendar she used to have guests
sign in with just happens to have the whole month of Ocotober
missing. Hmm. Well how can she prove he stayed there at all then?
Fortunately for her the WC never cared enough to ask.
They then try to have her tell them all about his luggage and
belongings, but she keeps making it clear she did not really notice
this man much.
Mr. BALL - Let me ask you some questions before we commence the
grocery store part of it. When you first saw him, did he have his
luggage with him?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.
Mr. BALL - What did he have with him?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - A bag.
Mr. BALL - Will you describe the bag?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - I don't remember where---seemed like it was a kind of a
duffelbag.
Mr. BALL - What color was this duffelbag?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - I think it was blue.
Mr. BALL - That was the only bag he had with him?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No, he went off to town and got another one.
Mr. BALL - Then he went off to town and brought another bag back,
would you describe that?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No, I didn't pay any attention to it.
Mr. BALL - Was it leather or---
Mrs. BLEDSOE - I couldn't say.
Mr. BALL - Could you give me any idea of the size of it?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, it was big. About like that [indicating].
Mr. BALL - About like that, you mean, oh, 8 feet long, 2 feet, 2 1/2?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; about like that.
Mr. BALL - About 2 feet long? Was it brown?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - I just couldn't remember. I didn't pay any attention to
it.
Mr. BALL - Do you remember the color?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No.
Mr. BALL - Do you remember him carrying it into the room?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes; I remember he went in.
Mr. BALL - Now----
Mrs. BLEDSOE - But, I didn't pay any attention. He rented the room,
and I didn't pay any attention.
So she really didn't pay much attention to this man other than the
basics. Now on to some leading the witness stuff:
Mr. BALL - After he moved, after he put his bags in his room, did he
leave?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; he said---
Mr. BALL - I mean, did he leave to go downtown to get the other bag?
(wink-wink)
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Uh-huh, and come back.
More I didn't pay attention to him stuff:
Mr. BALL - Did you see him leave?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; I didn't see him.
Mr. BALL - The time he went to get the other bag, did you see him?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No.
Mr. BALL - Do you know what kind of transportation he had?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; I guess I didn't pay any attention to him.
More giant leap stuff:
Mr. BALL - Did you ever see him drive up in a car?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No, always took a bus.
Mr. BALL - How do you know that?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, I saw--**one time he stopped over there across
the street and get the bus** that is the only time I didn't I didn't
watch what he did. Of course, I had no idea he was the kind of man he
was.
So, let me see, he allegedly stayed at your house for a week, you
repeatedly say you really didn't pay attention, and now you make a
comment that he "always took the bus" because ONE TIME you saw him at
the bus stop! Does that sum it up so far? Of course NO mention of the
fact that LHO couldn't drive.
Now on to the part where she rips this man, allegedly LHO, off of
$2.00. There is a lot of testimony concerning the man coming back in
the afternoon and disturbing her nap so she will not rent to him
anymore.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - About 10 o'clock, or 9:30 and I thought he was going to
move and I---"Oh---" I said, "You are going to move?"
And he said, "No; I am just going for the weekend."
Well, I said, "Well, I don't know."
But he said, "And I want my room cleaned and clean sheets put on the
bed." And I said, "Well, I will after you move because you are going
to move." He said, "Why?"
I says, "Because I am not going to rent to you any more."
Mr. BALL - Not going to what?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Not going to rent to you any more. He said, "Give me
back my money." Now, $2.
I said, **"Well, I don't have it."**
Mr. BALL - You told him you weren't going to rent to him any more on
that Saturday morning about 10 o'clock. At that time did he have his
bag? Was he carrying a bag?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes; going out with it again. Going out to Irving.
What is the obsession with this bag? He has asked a million questions
regarding a dufflebag. For anyone in the service you know there isn't
much to tell about them. Was he trying to get to maybe the rifle was
in there? Why didn't she want to rent to him anymore?
Mr. BALL - Why did you tell him you wouldn't rent to him any more?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Because I didn't like him.
Mr. BALL - Why?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - I didn't like his attitude. He was just kind of like
this, you know, just big shot, you know, and I didn't have anything to
say to him, and--but, I didn't like him. There was just something
about him I didn't like or want him-- just wasn't the kind of person I
wanted. Just didn't want him around me.
How did he leave her place?
Mr. BALL - When he left on Saturday morning do you know by what
transportation he took?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Didn't pay any attention.
Mr. BALL - Is there a bus stop near your home?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Right in front of the house.
Mr. BALL - Did you see him take the bus.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; I didn't see him.
More leading questions:
Mr. BALL - Did you see him wait for the bus? (wink-wink)
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; I just saw him go out the door. Didn't pay any
attention. And when he left I said--oh, he was going to come back and
get his things Saturday. He took it out and said, "Well, it is 2
dollars," and, I---"Well, I don't have it, so, he went off."
More obsession with the dufflebag:
Mr. BALL - When he came back did he have anything in his hand?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No.
Mr. BALL - Did you see him leave?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes; I did.
Mr. BALL - What did he take with him?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - He had that bag.
Mr. BALL - What bag?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - The bag, you see, he had two.
Mr. BALL - Yes.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - But, I never noticed it. I don't know what kind it was
or anything.
Mr. BALL - When he left, he had one bag when he left?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - One bag.
Mr. BALL - Do you know whether it was the duffelbag?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; I couldn't say for sure.
Ms. Bledsoe would be one of several who were allowed to read her
answers from notes, why? If she was telling the truth, and these
things happened why do you need notes?
Mr. BALL - But, before you go into that, I notice you have been
reading from some notes before you.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - **Well, because I forget what I have to say.**
Mr. BALL - When did you make those notes?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - What day did I make them?
Miss DOUTHIT - When Mr. Sorrels and I were talking about her going to
Washington, he made the suggestion that she put all the things down on
paper because she might forget something, and I said, "Mary, you put
everything on a piece of paper so that you can remember it and you
won't forget anything, you know, what happened," and that's when she
started making notes.
Mr. BALL - You have made the notes in the last week?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.
Miss DOUTHIT - At my suggestion and Mr. Sorrels.
Mr. BALL - **You didn't make any notes during the week he was there?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; I didn't pay any attention to him.**
Why would she forget what she had to say? Why phrase it like that in
the first place? What she "had to say" not what she remembered.
Hmm. The notes were not done at the time, so if she had memory issues
what good is writing this stuff down in late March 1964?
They tried to get her to ID the foreign language she claimed she heard
him use on the phone, but she was having none of that:
Mr. BALL - And the foreign language that you heard Oswald using over
the telephone on this Wednesday afternoon, do you know what the
language was?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; I didn't.
Mr. BALL - Are you familiar with the Spanish language?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; I am not. Not familiar with any of them.
Mr. BALL - All you know it was not English?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No.
Mr. BALL - But, you can't tell what language?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No.
Mr. BALL - Can you make a guess?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; I have no idea. I do, because the girl is Spanish,
hut I don't know whether he called her or not.
Mr. BALL - What girl is Spanish?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - I mean--his wife was Russian.
Mr. BALL - Russian.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - I don't know.
Oh, brother, and they used her as their main witness? Now on to the
bus stuff, and she starts off with a doozy.
Mr. BALL - Now, when did you see Oswald again?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, I went down to the parade. **Oh, when was the
parade? The 22d of---the next---22d of February---when was the parade?
**
Mr. BALL - The 22d of November the President came to Dallas.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - And I first got off at Neiman's and I---the parade
didn't come on, and I kept walking on up, and walked in front of
Titche's over on that side there, and I saw the parade there. He
passed--I saw the President, oh, I was happy I got to see him. And--so
then I got on across and went over to the Athletic Club, and caught
the bus.
Mr. BALL - What bus did you catch?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - **Well, I don't remember whether it was the Marsalis or
the Romana.**
Mr. BALL - Both go by your house, do they? What was the last one?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - The Marsalis.
Mr. BALL - What was the second name?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Romana.
Mr. BALL - And both go west on Elm?
Here we see she wasn't even sure of the month JFK came, and she didn't
even know what bus she got on. Now, I'm not making fun of this poor
woman as she was older and had suffered a stroke, but all of this goes
to crediblity and what she really saw compared to what she was told to
say. The bus was NOT crowded when she got on either so this should
have made it easier to ID LHO if he got on.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Right--so, I got on the bus, and while it was awfully
crowded there----
Mr. BALL - You mean crowded on the bus?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; outside.
Mr. BALL - Were there many people on the bus?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No.
Mr. BALL - How many people on the bus?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Oh, about 10.
Mr. BALL - All right, now, tell me what happened?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - And, after we got past Akard, at Murphy---I figured it
out. Let's see. I don't know for sure. Oswald got on. He looks like a
maniac. His sleeve was out here [indicating]. His shirt was undone.
Mr. BALL - You are indicating a sleeve of a shirt?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.
Mr. BALL - It was unraveled?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Was a hole in it, hole, and he was dirty, and I didn't
look at him. I didn't want to know I even seen him, and I just looked
off, and then about that time the motorman said the President had been
shot, and I sit--when I go to town I sit this way on the bus. The
motorman is right there [indicating], and I sit right there so that I
can get off.
She always sat in a side seat, and the covered this to try and disfuse
the issue of how clearly she saw the man's face.
Mr. BALL - When Oswald got on, you then weren't facing him, were you?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; but I saw that it was him.
Mr. BALL - How close did he pass to you as he boarded the bus?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Just in front of me. Just like this [indicating].
Mr. BALL - Just a matter of a foot or two?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Uh-huh.
She is then confused about where he sat.
Mr. BALL - Where did he sit?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - He sat about halfway back down.
Mr. BALL - On what side?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - On the same side I was on.
Mr. BALL - Same side
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No, sir.
I love when he repeats what she just said, she says no! Did the man
look at her?
Mr. BALL - Did he look at you as he went by? Did he look at you?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - I don't know. I didn't look at him. That is---I was
just---he looked so bad in his face, and his face was so distorted.
First she can't remember if he looked at her, then it was she didn't
look at him, and finally even with no one looking at each other we get
his face is distorted. No for the clothing:
Mr. BALL - Did he have a hat on?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No.
Mr. BALL - Now, what color shirt did he have on?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - He had a brown shirt.
Mr. BALL - And unraveled?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Hole in his sleeve right here [indicating].
Mr. BALL - Which is the elbow of the sleeve? That is, you pointed to
the elbow?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, it is.
Mr. BALL - And that would be which elbow, right or left elbow?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Right.
Mr. BALL - Did he have anything on. Was the shirt open or was it
buttoned?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes; all the buttons torn off.
Mr. BALL - What did he have on underneath that?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - I don't know.
Mr. BALL - Do you know the color of any undershirt he had on?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No.
Mr. BALL - Notice the color of his pants?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes, they were gray, and they were all ragged in here
[indicating].
Mr. BALL - Around where?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - At the seam.
Mr. BALL - At the waist?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - At the waist, uh-huh.
Mr. BALL - Was the shirt tucked beneath the belt in his pants, or
outside the belt?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; he had it in.
Mr. BALL - Had it tucked in?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No: it was tucked in.
Mr. BALL - So, that the belt of the pants was outside the shirt?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes; uh-huh.
There is good news and bad news here. The good news is she described
LHO's clothes fairly accurately in terms of the shirt and pant
colors. I don't believe his shirt was torn open as she said, I think
he just had it open halfway down. The issue of not knowing if he had
a t-shirt on or was bare-chested is of concern if I was the prosecutor
as it goes to awarness. She initially says the shirt is torn open, no
buttons left, but then she says the shirt is tucked in. Now for the
bad news, her clothing description of the man differs form McWatters
and Jones. No one else described it the same way as her. For someone
who is so forgetful and always says she didn't pay attention, how did
she get the clothing so correct?
Mr. BALL - Now, you say the motorman said something?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Motorman said. "Well, the President has been shot," and
I say--so, and the woman over--we all got to talking about four of us
sitting around talking, and Oswald was sitting back there, and one of
them said, "Hope they don't shoot us," and I said, "I don't believe
that--it is--I don't believe it. Somebody just said that.
And it was too crowded, you see, and Oswald had got off.
Mr. BALL - How far had he been on the bus before he got off? Until the
time he got on until the time he got off?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - About three or four blocks.
How did we go from 10 people to a very crowded bus so fast?
Mr. BALL - Did he say anything to the motorman when he got off?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - They say he did, but I don't remember him saying
anything.
Mr. BALL - Did you ever see the motorman give him a transfer?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; I didn't pay any attention but I believe he did.
Mr. BALL - Well, what do you mean he---you believe he did? **Did you
remember seeing him get on or are you telling me something you read in
the newspapers?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; I don't remember. I don't remember.**
Here it is, a confession that she simply doesn't know if LHO got on or
not since she can't remember. There is more:
Mr. BALL - Did you pay any attention at that time as to whether he
did, or did not get a transfer?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - I didn't pay any attention to him.
Mr. BALL - Well, did you look at him as he got off the bus?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - **No; I sure didn't. I didn't want to know him.**
We go from this to this:
Mr. BALL - Well, you think you got enough of a glimpse of him to be
able to recognize him?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Oh, yes.
Mr. BALL - You think you might be mistaken?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Oh, no.
Mr. BALL - You didn't look very carefully, did you?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; I just glanced at him, and then looked the other
way and I hoped he didn't see me.
Mr. BALL - Now, are there two exits from the bus?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Uh-huh.
Mr. BALL - The middle of the bus, and front of the bus?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Uh-huh.
Mr. BALL - Which exit did he leave?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Front.
Mr. BALL - By the motorman?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Uh-huh, by the motorman.
What????? How about the mysterious lady?
Mr. BALL - Did anybody else get off at that time when he got off?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No, not then, but there was a lady sitting right
across, she wanted to go to the train station.
Mr. BALL - To the what station?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Train station, and she was worried about trying to get
off, you know, trying to get there, and then we were hearing her, and
I said, "Well, why don't you walk over there. It's just a little
ways." Because the crowd was so bad we still didn't know the President
had been killed, and finally she got off, but I think it was---it was
before---I mean after Oswald did.
Mr. BALL - Did she ask for a transfer?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes; she had the man give her one, because she caught
the bus before she got to the train station.
Mr. BALL - How do you know that?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, I saw her.
Mr. BALL - You saw her catch another bus?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - She got on when we did. She rode a block.
Mr. BALL - Did anybody get off when the lady got off? Any body that
was going to the train station?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No.
Am I the only one who can't make any sense out of what she says? More
I don't know and I didn't pay any attention to him stuff:
Mr. BALL - Can you tell me the location of the bus with reference to a
cross street on Elm where Oswald got off?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; I can't, because they have changed that street, so,
they have torn down things and I don't go town very much now and so I
don't-----
Mr. BALL - Was it in the middle of the block, or at a regular bus
stop?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, they said it was.
Mr. BALL - I want to know what you remember.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; I don't remember.
Mr. BALL - Do you remember whether it was a regular bus stop or not?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; I didn't pay any attention.
Mr. BALL - Did Oswald get on at a regular bus stop?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - I didn't pay any particular attention to him.
Her son called the police and took her to the station, but she was
never shown LHO in a lineup to ID.
Mr. BALL - Uh-huh. Now, did you ever see Oswald in a lineup?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No.
Mr. BALL - Never did see Oswald after he was arrested?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Not after he got off the bus; no.
Mr. BALL - But, you looked at the pictures of Oswald?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.
Now, how about leading the person to guilt?
Mr. BALL - Showed you the pictures of Oswald?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - **The man down at the police station, he had a picture
of him with a gun, and said, "Do you recognize him?"
And I said, "Yes; it is Oswald." That is the one that I remember
him.**
Mr. BALL - Do you know the name of the man who showed you the picture
of the man with the gun?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - I am so bad about names.
Mr. BALL - Was there one man or more than one man?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Oh, about a dozen.
Mr. BALL - Oh, a dozen men?
NIce of them to show the backyard photos to her huh? A nice gun in his
hands sure made the whole ID process a little quicker I'm sure. And
she is so bad with names so we don't even know what helpful person did
this. They then show her the shirt she claimed LHO was wearing
(CE150). This is funny as she is frustrating Ball a lot.
Mr. BALL - Commission Exhibit 150.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - That is it.
Mr. BALL - This is a shirt.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - That is it.
Mr. BALL - What do you mean by "that is it?"
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Because they brought it out to the house and showed
it.
Mr. BALL - I know. What do you mean by "that is it?"
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, because I can recognize it.
Mr. BALL - Recognize it as what?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes, sir; see there?
Mr. BALL - Yes. You tell me what do you see here? What permits you to
recognize it?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - I recognize---first thing I notice the elbow is out and
then I saw---when the man brought it out and let me see it?
Mr. BALL - No, I am talking about---I am showing you this shirt now,
and you said, "That is it." You mean---What do you mean by "that is
it"?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - That is the one he had out there that day?
Mr. BALL - Who had it out there?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Some Secret Service man.
Mr. BALL - He brought it out. Now, I am---you have seen this shirt
then before?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.
Mr. BALL - It was brought out by the Secret Service man and shown to
you?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.
Mr. BALL - **Had you ever seen the shirt before that?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well---
Mr. BALL - Have you?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; he had it on, though.**
Mr. BALL - Who had it on?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Oswald.
Mr. BALL - Oswald had it on?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Oswald had it on.
This is classic stuff, right up there with who's on first. It
continues:
Mr. BALL - Now, what is there about the shirt that makes you believe
that this is the shirt that Oswald had on when he was on the bus? What
is there about it?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, let's see the front of it. Yes See all this
[indicating]? I remember that.
Mr. BALL - Tell me what you see there?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - I saw the---no; not so much that. It was done after---
that is part I recognize more than anything.
Mr. BALL - You are pointing to a hole in the right elbow?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.
Mr. BALL - **What about the color?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, I---What do you mean?
Mr. BALL - Well----
Mrs. BLEDSOE - When he had it on?
Mr. BALL - Yes.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Before he was shot? Yes; I remember it being brown.**
What is this? Before he was shot? More keystone cops:
Mr. BALL - You remember the shirt being brown. Was it this color?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes; it was that color.
Mr. BALL - In other words, when you remember that you have seen
something before---
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Uh-huh.
Mr. BALL - In order to convince me that you did see it before you've
got to tell me what there is about it that is the same, you see. Now,
you try to convince me, or tell me why it is that you believe that
this is the shirt that Oswald had on when you saw him on the bus?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, I would say it was. That hole---
Mr. BALL - Mostly the hole in the right sleeve?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.
Mr. BALL - What about the color?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes; I remember the color.
Mr. BALL - That is a similar color, isn't it?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; same color.
Mr. BALL - Same color?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Uh-huh.
Mr. BALL - You think that is the shirt?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes; it is the shirt.
Do you really think a defense attorney would sit through all of this?
They would then go on the pants and back to the bag. Her testimony
seems endless. Both McWatters and Jones will say 1) the man is
wearing a jacket, and that he sits near the front of the bus behind
Jones, but Bledsoe said he went to the back of the bus.
The big things here are the ability to establish LHO ever rented a
room are remote as he had a habit of not telling Marina where he was
staying and the only source allegedly is the calender LHO signed, but
the month of October is missing. Without an establish fact of LHO
renting a room from her there is NO way she would know LHO from a hole
in the ground on 11/22/63. Her testimony is just not believable in my
opinion as she says she was not paying attention and then turns around
and gives the exact info the WC was looking for. That brings us to
the notes. These were and are allowed in most states (if not all) and
at the federal level, so there is no issue there, but the fact of them
being written in late March 1964 makes them highly suspect. For if she
did need them to remember things, how would she know what to remember
5 to 6 months after the events? It opens the door for coaching, being
told what to say and she basically said this at one point. Her value
at proving LHO was is nil for me, for the reasons above and the fact
she was at odds with the other witnesses on the bus.
David Von Pein
More people trying to frame Rob's poor patsy. The list is endless.
Nobody was honest. And everybody wanted Oswald hanged for Kennedy's
murder (and Tippit's too). Even total strangers who never had set eyes
on Patsy Oz previously.
Rob, as usual, is acting like a fucking idiot. (No sense in waking the
neighbors, though. They already this is true.)
YoHarvey
roflmao DVP
David Von Pein
>>> "The ability to establish LHO ever rented a room [from Mary E. Bledsoe is] remote. .... The only source allegedly is the calender LHO signed." <<<
Try again, Mr. Kook. There's more evidence than that. After speaking
to Lee Oswald in early October 1963 and getting the telephone number
of LHO's current residence, Ruth Paine wrote Mrs. Bledsoe's phone
number (WH2-1985) in her address book -- CE402 at 17H74 (below):
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0050b.htm
================
Mr. JENNER - Now, relate for the record the telephone number that Mr.
Oswald gave you, the first one he gave you on this particular
occasion?
Mrs. PAINE - The number was WH 2-1985.
Mr. JENNER - And that is at the bottom of the page written in ink.
Mrs. PAINE - Yes.
Mr. JENNER - Is that in your handwriting?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes; it is.
Mr. JENNER - What exchange is "WH" in Dallas?
Mrs. PAINE - I don't know. I did not know. I know now, maybe I know,
Whitehall, something. I know now what it is, but I didn't know then.
Mr. JENNER - Did he on that occasion say anything about where the
apartment or room was?
Mrs. PAINE - No; he did not.
Mr. JENNER - He did not give you an address?
Mrs. PAINE - No.
Mr. JENNER - Didn't locate it in any area in Dallas?
Mrs. PAINE - No.
Mr. JENNER - All he gave you was the telephone number?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes.
================
And that exact same phone number appears in Mary Bledsoe's 11/23/63
official affidavit:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/bledsoe1.htm
Let's watch Rob The Idiot try to wangle out of this one now. My guess
is, the kook will resort to calling Ruth Paine a rotten liar too.
i.e., Paine probably wrote the number in her address book at a later
date, in yet another effort, no matter how meaningless and needless,
to frame the proverbial patsy named Lee Harvey.
Don't disappoint me, Robby. Please call Mrs. Ruth Paine a rotten liar
too. Because today's laugh is overdue.
robcap...@netscape.com
This is all you got??? There is NO proof LHO ever stayed with her for
a week (actually 5 days) so how can you show she would have known LHO
to ID him on 11/22/63? As usual Dave doesn't set out to provide proof
and evidence to shut me up, instead since this doesn't exist he
resorts to name calling and character assassination. How sad for the
LNers.
robcap...@netscape.com
> >>> "The ability to establish LHO ever rented a room [from Mary E. Bledsoe is] remote. .... The only source allegedly is the calender LHO signed." <<<
"Try again, Mr. Kook. There's more evidence than that. After speaking
to Lee Oswald in early October 1963 and getting the telephone number
of LHO's current residence, Ruth Paine wrote Mrs. Bledsoe's phone
number (WH2-1985) in her address book -- CE402 at 17H74 (below):"
Ooooh, that is damning evidence form someone who told the police "I
was expecting you guys", let them search her house with NO warrant and
would even go shopping, and leave them on their own on Saturday would
allegedly have a corroborating phone number in her calendar. This is
NOT proof Dave, do you understand what proof is??? Proof shows guilt,
this does not. She could have written the number in after the
assassination or she could have written in to frame him. This are
quite a few ways to look at his, but it doesn't prove he stayed
there. Her (Bledsoe's) first thought was the language the man was
speaking was Spanish, why?? Perhaps the man staying was Cuban.
> http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0...
>
> ================
>
> Mr. JENNER - Now, relate for the record the telephone number that Mr.
> Oswald gave you, the first one he gave you on this particular
> occasion?
> Mrs. PAINE - The number was WH 2-1985.
> Mr. JENNER - And that is at the bottom of the page written in ink.
> Mrs. PAINE - Yes.
> Mr. JENNER - Is that in your handwriting?
> Mrs. PAINE - Yes; it is.
> Mr. JENNER - What exchange is "WH" in Dallas?
> Mrs. PAINE - I don't know. I did not know. I know now, maybe I know,
> Whitehall, something. I know now what it is, but I didn't know then.
> Mr. JENNER - Did he on that occasion say anything about where the
> apartment or room was?
> Mrs. PAINE - No; he did not.
> Mr. JENNER - He did not give you an address?
> Mrs. PAINE - No.
> Mr. JENNER - Didn't locate it in any area in Dallas?
> Mrs. PAINE - No.
> Mr. JENNER - All he gave you was the telephone number?
> Mrs. PAINE - Yes.
It is ashame LHO wasn't there to give his side of the story.
> ================
>
> And that exact same phone number appears in Mary Bledsoe's 11/23/63
> official affidavit:
>
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/bledsoe1.htm
"Let's watch Rob The Idiot try to wangle out of this one now. My guess
is, the kook will resort to calling Ruth Paine a rotten liar too.
i.e., Paine probably wrote the number in her address book at a later
date, in yet another effort, no matter how meaningless and needless,
to frame the proverbial patsy named Lee Harvey."
Wangle out of what? You have an address book that was given to the
FBI and the WC so they could have added anything they wanted, likewise
Paine writing it afterward. This is proof of nothing. You need to
learn the definition of proof. It is funny you mentioned the writing
in later part as this is probably what happened. This number is
hardly proof LHO stayed at Bledsoe's house and a good defense attorney
would have shown this.
"Don't disappoint me, Robby. Please call Mrs. Ruth Paine a rotten liar
too. Because today's laugh is overdue."
Don't need to call her that as her actions of those days speak for
themself, we all know (the ones honest with ourselves) what she was.
David Von Pein
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/19696ba4131ce104
DVP SAID:
>>> "Let's watch Rob The Idiot try to wangle out of this one now. My guess is, the kook will resort to calling Ruth Paine a rotten liar too. i.e., Paine probably wrote [Mary Bledsoe's] number in her address book at a later date, in yet another effort, no matter how meaningless and needless, to frame the proverbial patsy named Lee Harvey. Don't disappoint me, Robby. Please call Mrs. Ruth Paine a rotten liar too. Because today's laugh is overdue." <<<
ROB THE MEGA-KOOK THEN SAID (RIGHT ON CUE, AS IF WRITTEN IN A C.T.
SCRIPT):
>>> "She [Ruth Paine] could have written the number in after the assassination or she could have written [it] in to frame him." <<<
DVP NOW SAYS:
Thanks for making my prediction about you a reality, Robby-boy. (Not
that I ever doubted my prediction for an instant.)
And thank you for not disappointing me. As I've said before, but it's
worth repeating -- You, Robby, are an LNer's dream come true.
So deeply entrenched in "Patsy-ism" is Rob, that ANYONE who comes
between Robby and his notion that Lee Oswald was set up and framed for
two Dallas murders (Ruth Paine and Mary Bledsoe to name just two
examples) is to be looked at sideways and is to be considered MORE of
a "suspect" than the person to whom ALL of the evidence in the JFK
case leads (LHO).
That's called "SUPREME C.T. PARANOIA". And Rob's got an advanced case
of it.
ROB:
>>> "It is a shame LHO wasn't there to give his side of the story [when Ruth Paine was telling the WC that she herself had been told by LHO that he was living at a residence where the phone number was WH2-1985]." <<<
DVP:
And if that had happened, Oswald wouldn't have hesitated in the
slightest degree to admit that he gave Bledsoe's phone number to Mrs.
Paine (which he so obviously did do).
Why?
Because admitting that fact doesn't harm him in the slightest way with
respect to whether or not he shot 2 people on November 22. His having
lived on Marsalis St. under Bledsoe's roof is meaningless--therefore,
Oswald would have told the truth.
Ozzie only lied when it was about important stuff -- i.e., the stuff
he HAD to lie about to distance himself from the physical evidence and
the 2 guns he used to murder 2 men in Dallas.
Heck, he even lied about where he bought the gun he used to kill
Tippit with. Even though he was caught red-handed with the Tippit
murder weapon ON HIM in the theater, he still wanted to distance
himself as much as humanly possible from that gun, sending the police
on a wild goose chase by saying he had purchased the revolver in Fort
Worth (instead of where we know he obtained it--via a Los Angeles mail-
order company).
ROB:
>>> "You have an address book that was given to the FBI and the WC, so they could have added anything they wanted, likewise Paine writing it afterward. This is proof of nothing. You need to learn the definition of proof. It is funny you mentioned the 'writing-[it]-in-later' part, as this is probably what happened. This number is hardly proof LHO stayed at Bledsoe's house and a good defense attorney would have shown this." <<<
DVP:
Rob doesn't give a shit about getting at the truth. He just wants to
add more "suspects" to the growing list of people he thinks were lying
their asses off after the assassination.
Robby just wants to add more cloudy, murky obfuscation and "question
marks" to the mix. That's all. He now wants to believe that BOTH Mary
Bledsoe and Ruth Paine (and maybe the FBI and WC too) are dirty,
rotten liars, so that Rob (an Anybody-But-Oswald mega-kook, keep in
mind) can then believe that Lee Oswald never rented a room from Mary
E. Bledsoe in early October of 1963.
To use a single word to describe Rob's ultra-stupid beliefs ---
Pathetic!
But if Robby actually had a desire to get at the real truth, he would
be able to apply some degree of common sense to this matter regarding
Bledsoe's phone number, and he'd then be able to see how silly it is
to suggest that Ruth Paine wrote the number "WH2-1985" (Mary Bledsoe's
home number) in her address book at some point after November 22 in
order to try and "frame" Lee Oswald.
And Robby would be able to provide SOME proof that Ruth Paine LIED
under oath when she said that she wrote the number in her address book
after being told the number by Lee Oswald HIMSELF in October 1963.
But Robby thinks that the DEFENSE (at LHO's trial, had it taken place)
would actually WIN this particular argument re. Bledsoe's phone
number.
Robby thinks that Oswald's defense lawyers, by merely suggesting to
the jury that either the FBI or Mrs. Paine COULD have conceivably
written that phone number in that address book at some point in time
after the assassination, would emerge victorious on this issue at
Oswald's trial.
I.E., Rob is suggesting that the mere ALLEGATION of the frame-up
itself somehow becomes the TRUTH, and that the allegation becomes
BETTER EVIDENCE than Paine's under-oath testimony, which had her
stating that she wrote down the telephone number (and later scratched
out that same number when Oswald moved to Beckley Avenue) when she
talked to Oswald on the phone and Oswald HIMSELF told her what the
number was.
That's some screwy court of law you're placing your faith in there,
Rob. It must be the CTers' favorite courtroom....you know the one, the
"CHAFF TRUMPS WHEAT AND SPECULATION TRUMPS HARD EVIDENCE EVERY TIME"
court of law.
Robby and his ilk live inside that courtroom each and every day of
their lives, it would seem. And today is no exception I see.
ROB:
>>> "Don't need to call her [Ruth Paine] that [a "rotten liar"], as her actions of those days speak for themself [sic]. We all know (the ones honest with ourselves) what she was." <<<
DVP:
I sure do know what Mrs. Ruth Hyde Paine was -- she was (and is) a
very honest and intelligent woman who told the unvarnished truth every
minute she was giving testimony to the Warren Commission (testimony
which covers a whole bunch of pages in the WC volumes).
You, Rob, however (being the "inconceivable kook" that you are), have
no qualms or hesitation at all in painting Mrs. Paine as something
other than a truth-teller and an honest person. And you, like other
CTers as well, have no hesitation in doing this without a STITCH OF
PROOF to back up any such vile allegation against her.
As stated before -- Pathetic.
Footnote.....
For more information and commentary about the person that Rob The
Idiot is attempting to unjustly smear for no good reason whatsoever
(and certainly without a shred of proof to back up his insane ideas
about her), the following article that I put together about Mrs. Ruth
Paine might prove to be interesting reading.
I know I learned quite a lot about Ruth (and LHO and Marina and others
too) by reading through all of Mrs. Paine's extensive Warren
Commission sessions (and commenting on some of that testimony at the
link below).
And not ONCE in her testimony does Mrs. Paine, in my view, come across
as disingenuous or a liar or as someone who was trying to hide any of
the truth with respect to what she knew about Lee Harvey Oswald and
the circumstances surrounding JFK's death:
==========================================
EXAMINING THE TESTIMONY OF RUTH PAINE:
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f7fb7fe29bedd69d
==========================================
robcap...@netscape.com
> www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/19696ba4...
>
> DVP SAID:
>
> >>> "Let's watch Rob The Idiot try to wangle out of this one now. My guess is, the kook will resort to calling Ruth Paine a rotten liar too. i.e., Paine probably wrote [Mary Bledsoe's] number in her address book at a later date, in yet another effort, no matter how meaningless and needless, to frame the proverbial patsy named Lee Harvey. Don't disappoint me, Robby. Please call Mrs. Ruth Paine a rotten liar too. Because today's laugh is overdue." <<<
"ROB THE MEGA-KOOK THEN SAID (RIGHT ON CUE, AS IF WRITTEN IN A C.T.
SCRIPT):"
I'm so tired of "schooling" this guy, I wish I could use a ruler on
his knuckles instead, but grab your textbooks and let's do it.
> >>> "She [Ruth Paine] could have written the number in after the assassination or she could have written [it] in to frame him." <<<
"DVP NOW SAYS:
"Thanks for making my prediction about you a reality, Robby-boy. (Not
that I ever doubted my prediction for an instant.)"
Class, especially DVP, this is the thing that makes the most sense.
What reason would there be for Ruth Paine to write a phone number in
her book regarding LHO? Was she married to him? NO. Did LHO speak
Russian? Yes. Did LHO like Marina to know were he was and how to
contact him? NO. When one uses CS&L it makes NO sense for Ruth Paine
to have this number, for if LHO wanted to call and speak with Marina,
he would call. He was only staying there, allegedly, for 5 days, so
why would he give the number to Ruth Paine? Explain this Mr. Von Pein.
"And thank you for not disappointing me. As I've said before, but it's
worth repeating -- You, Robby, are an LNer's dream come true."
And thank you for NOT disappointing me, same poor logic used in all
the things you put forth. You may believe they were having a menage-a-
trois (Ruth, Marina and Ruth) but I don't. I see no reason for this
woman to be SO involved in their lives, and for someone who kept
himself so much, I DON'T see LHO allowing her to be this involved in
their lives.
"So deeply entrenched in "Patsy-ism" is Rob, that ANYONE who comes
between Robby and his notion that Lee Oswald was set up and framed for
two Dallas murders (Ruth Paine and Mary Bledsoe to name just two
examples) is to be looked at sideways and is to be considered MORE of
a "suspect" than the person to whom ALL of the evidence in the JFK
case leads (LHO)."
You obviously have NOT been reading some of my other posts, as I do
believe LHO was involved in the conspiracy, just not in shooting
anyone. I think he became the "fall guy", but I think he was doing
things that made him an easy target to become one, no matter how noble
his intentions.
But let's get back to your "proof" that he stayed at Bledsoe's rooming
house. You have a number written in there that matched Bledsoe's
phone, and you have.... oh that's right, that is ALL you have. What
good defense lawyer couldn't tear this apart? She willingly turned
her address book over to the FBI and still did not have it back by the
time she testified so there is no way to prove it was NOT added in
later. You have the only way for Bledsoe to prove it, her calendar,
missing the entire month of October, allegedly the month LHO stayed
for 5 days. You have NO proof that would stand up to direct cross.
"That's called "SUPREME C.T. PARANOIA". And Rob's got an advanced case
of it."
You call it paranoia, I call it getting older. I wore rose colored
glasses when I was a young man too, but most of us learn as we get
older people do things to help themselves, or help the people that
have the power to help them. Saying someone wrote in a phone number
they realistically had no right having is NOT paranoia, it is common
sense.
"ROB:
> >>> "It is a shame LHO wasn't there to give his side of the story [when Ruth Paine was telling the WC that she herself had been told by LHO that he was living at a residence where the phone number was WH2-1985]." <<<"
I like how Dave interjects his thoughts into my reply, that is NOT an
honest thing to do Dave. Again, ALL we have is Ruth's word for it, we
don't have LHO's testimony saying he did give it to her. Why Dave
doesn't see this is beyond me.
"DVP:
"And if that had happened, Oswald wouldn't have hesitated in the
slightest degree to admit that he gave Bledsoe's phone number to Mrs.
Paine (which he so obviously did do)."
Why do you say obviously? You have NO proof he did this when he could
simply call each day (and Bledsoe claimed the man did call and spoke
in a foreign language, but she said Spanish) and check in. Despite
our differences of opinion on LHO, the one thing most people agree on
is he was a private man. I don't buy he kept Ruth Paine so involved
in everything, this smells bad to me.
"Why?
Because admitting that fact doesn't harm him in the slightest way with
respect to whether or not he shot 2 people on November 22. His having
lived on Marsalis St. under Bledsoe's roof is meaningless--therefore,
Oswald would have told the truth."
It does hurt him as it conveniently gives the WC a reason their ONLY
witness on the bus would know LHO to ID him.
"Ozzie only lied when it was about important stuff -- i.e., the stuff
he HAD to lie about to distance himself from the physical evidence and
the 2 guns he used to murder 2 men in Dallas."
Thanks for bringing this up! Dave calls him a liar all the time, but
when he is dead and buried the things he allegedly told Ruth Paine are
the god's honest truth. Go figure.
"Heck, he even lied about where he bought the gun he used to kill
Tippit with. Even though he was caught red-handed with the Tippit
murder weapon ON HIM in the theater, he still wanted to distance
himself as much as humanly possible from that gun, sending the police
on a wild goose chase by saying he had purchased the revolver in Fort
Worth (instead of where we know he obtained it--via a Los Angeles mail-
order company)."
These wild accusations with NO proof or evidence behind them show how
desperate you are. For people WITH proof are happy to lay it out for
the world to see, but all you do is make silly assertions like the WC.
"ROB:
>
> >>> "You have an address book that was given to the FBI and the WC, so they could have added anything they wanted, likewise Paine writing it afterward. This is proof of nothing. You need to learn the definition of proof. It is funny you mentioned the 'writing-[it]-in-later' part, as this is probably what happened. This number is hardly proof LHO stayed at Bledsoe's house and a good defense attorney would have shown this." <<<
"DVP:
Rob doesn't give a shit about getting at the truth."
Dave lies to make his point that someone else doesn't care about the
truth! Priceless!
"He just wants to add more "suspects" to the growing list of people he
thinks were lying their asses off after the assassination."
I think the list is fininshed as anyone who is honest with themself
comes away with this conclusion when they read the WCR and its 26
volumes as they show in all their glory the lies put together to make
a phony story against LHO.
"Robby just wants to add more cloudy, murky obfuscation and "question
marks" to the mix. That's all."
Hardly, and watch your tardy tone student, I want the truth, something
the government has been hiding for 44 years.
"He now wants to believe that BOTH Mary Bledsoe and Ruth Paine (and
maybe the FBI and WC too) are dirty, rotten liars, so that Rob (an
Anybody-But-Oswald mega-kook, keep in mind) can then believe that Lee
Oswald never rented a room from Mary E. Bledsoe in early October of
1963."
Well, we know Ruth Paine is a liar as her actions speak volumes on
this topic. Bledsoe was a scared, older lady, who did what she was
told to do.
"To use a single word to describe Rob's ultra-stupid beliefs ---
Pathetic!"
Next to the word "pathetic" in the dictionary is Dave's picture.
"But if Robby actually had a desire to get at the real truth, he would
be able to apply some degree of common sense to this matter regarding
Bledsoe's phone number, and he'd then be able to see how silly it is
to suggest that Ruth Paine wrote the number "WH2-1985" (Mary Bledsoe's
home number) in her address book at some point after November 22 in
order to try and "frame" Lee Oswald."
Sorry, common sense ONLY MAKES me see the opposite. There is NO
reason for her to have this number as Marina used Ruth as a translator
for the most part, but LHO knew Russian so he did not need her help.
He was only staying there a week as well and he was a private man,
there is NO reason that makes sense for him to include Ruth in this
scenario.
"And Robby would be able to provide SOME proof that Ruth Paine LIED
under oath when she said that she wrote the number in her address book
after being told the number by Lee Oswald HIMSELF in October 1963."
Now class, Dave could never write for t.v., a newspaper, or for radio
as he doesn't understand the term brevity or the word succinct. He
repeats and repeats in an attempt to hide the fact he has NO PROOF OR
EVIDENCE to support his views. He also hopes the other person sees the
length of his post and says "forget it." I can't provide proof, just
reasonable doubt in the way of common sense. I have listed the ways
to do this above. Now you need to prove she was told by LHO the
number. I won't hold my breath.
"But Robby thinks that the DEFENSE (at LHO's trial, had it taken
place) would actually WIN this particular argument re. Bledsoe's phone
number.
Robby thinks that Oswald's defense lawyers, by merely suggesting to
the jury that either the FBI or Mrs. Paine COULD have conceivably
written that phone number in that address book at some point in time
after the assassination, would emerge victorious on this issue at
Oswald's trial."
It would plant reasonbable doubt, and that is all the defense has to
do.
"I.E., Rob is suggesting that the mere ALLEGATION of the frame-up
itself somehow becomes the TRUTH, and that the allegation becomes
BETTER EVIDENCE than Paine's under-oath testimony, which had her
stating that she wrote down the telephone number (and later scratched
out that same number when Oswald moved to Beckley Avenue) when she
talked to Oswald on the phone and Oswald HIMSELF told her what the
number was."
You need to provide proof that LHO himself told her this number or you
need to cease with this allegation. Her testimony under oath means
nothing with the WC as many committed perjury, but if their lies
supported the WC's assertion there was no worry of perjury charges.
The defense just needs to plant reasonable doubt, and since LHO was a
private man, could speak Russian (thus not needing Ruth to translate)
and usually did not let Marina know where he was we have done that.
Throw in the fact you can't prove LHO gave the number to Ruth Paine
and the defense has a good position.
"That's some screwy court of law you're placing your faith in there,
Rob. It must be the CTers' favorite courtroom....you know the one, the
"CHAFF TRUMPS WHEAT AND SPECULATION TRUMPS HARD EVIDENCE EVERY TIME"
court of law."
Class, Dave has NO idea how our judicial system works, nor does he
know firearms, as this is how our system functions. I guess no chain
of custody and no proof or evidence needed is his version of how we
function in terms of a legal system. Bottom line class, DO NOT cheat
off of Dave on these issues.
"Robby and his ilk live inside that courtroom each and every day of
their lives, it would seem. And today is no exception I see."
This is why LHO was shot, because they knew the "evidence" they had
would either not be admitted or would be shown to be flawed, so they
did the easy thing, had him eliminated.
"ROB:
>
> >>> "Don't need to call her [Ruth Paine] that [a "rotten liar"], as her actions of those days speak for themself [sic]. We all know (the ones honest with ourselves) what she was." <<<
"DVP:
"I sure do know what Mrs. Ruth Hyde Paine was -- she was (and is) a
very honest and intelligent woman who told the unvarnished truth every
minute she was giving testimony to the Warren Commission (testimony
which covers a whole bunch of pages in the WC volumes)."
She also has many ties to the CIA, even the Secret Service told Marina
this after the assassination.
"You, Rob, however (being the "inconceivable kook" that you are), have
no qualms or hesitation at all in painting Mrs. Paine as something
other than a truth-teller and an honest person. And you, like other
CTers as well, have no hesitation in doing this without a STITCH OF
PROOF to back up any such vile allegation against her."
I'm not painting her at all, instead her many comments and statements
have been shown to be lies and incorrect.
"As stated before -- Pathetic."
Again, next to pathetic in the dictionary is Dave's picture.
"Footnote....."
This "foot" must belong to "Bigfoot" as this is a very long and
repititive post.
"For more information and commentary about the person that Rob The
Idiot is attempting to unjustly smear for no good reason whatsoever
(and certainly without a shred of proof to back up his insane ideas
about her), the following article that I put together about Mrs. Ruth
Paine might prove to be interesting reading."
Who is smearing here again? I never mentioned her in my original
post, you jumped in and claimed she had a number LHO gave her. I say
prove it.
"I know I learned quite a lot about Ruth (and LHO and Marina and
others too) by reading through all of Mrs. Paine's extensive Warren
Commission sessions (and commenting on some of that testimony at the
link below)."
So have many of us, that is why we don't trust her. "Oh, we've been
expecting you guys."
"And not ONCE in her testimony does Mrs. Paine, in my view, come
across as disingenuous or a liar or as someone who was trying to hide
any of the truth with respect to what she knew about Lee Harvey Oswald
and the circumstances surrounding JFK's death:"
Your view is distorted as you support a theory chock full of lies.
David Von Pein
>>> "What reason would there be for Ruth Paine to write a phone number in her book regarding LHO?" <<<
If you would just take some time to actually read some of the facts
(and testimony) regarding the matters you continually mangle beyond
all recognition, you might find out.
But, since you apparently have no desire to do that, I'll have to:
In this particular instance, Lee Oswald phoned Ruth Paine in early
October of '63 to give Ruth and Marina the phone number of the
roominghouse at which he had rented a room from Mrs. Mary Bledsoe at
621 North Marsalis Street in Dallas....and probably the biggest reason
for Oswald making that call to Ruth Paine was because LHO wanted Ruth
or Marina to be able to quickly get in touch with him due to the fact
that Marina was about to go into labor with the birth of the Oswalds'
second child at any time. (The baby was born on October 20th.)
Just read the damned transcript, Mr. Rob-Kook. You'd be amazed at how
much MORE stupid your theories turn out to be (if that's even possible
at this stage of your silly kook game) after doing that little bit of
reading.
Perhaps Robby will next theorize that the baby (Rachel Oswald) was
"planted" in Marina's womb by evil conspirators in some manner too,
for the purpose of enacting this meaningless charade carried out by
Ruth Paine regarding the telephone number of Mary Bledsoe. (Wouldn't
surprise me a bit...after all, this kook named Rob can't even figure
out the fact that his precious patsy really did kill J.D. Tippit. With
ignorance like that festering in his brain, anything that follows is
possible.)
Anyway, here's the relevant testimony from Ruth Paine re. WH2-1985:
=====================================
Mr. JENNER - Yes; now, give it as chronologically as you can; how you
came by that telephone number, the circumstances under which it was
given to you.
Mrs. PAINE - He [LHO] said this is the telephone number.
Mr. JENNER - Was Marina present?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes. He said of the room where he was staying, renting a
room, and I could reach him here if she went into labor.
Mr. JENNER - I see, the coming of the baby was imminent?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes.
Mr. JENNER - When was the baby expected?
Mrs. PAINE - Any time after the first week in October. Any time, in
other words.
===================================
>>> "I see no reason for this woman [Ruth Paine] to be SO involved in their lives [LHO's and Marina's]." <<<
Classic Kook Logic here. Rob decides FOR RUTH PAINE what Ruth Paine
should be "involved" in.
Don't ya love it when conspiracy-happy kooks try to think logically--
and always fail in those attempts?
>>> "We know Ruth Paine is a liar as her actions speak volumes on this topic." <<<
What "actions" are you talking about, you freaking moron?
Ruth Paine has done NOTHING that would make any "reasonable" person
suspicious of her hours and hours worth of WC testimony.
As usual, we've got an idiot (in this case Robby) calling a person an
outright "liar" without a single shred of proof to back it up. Just
meaningless accusations instead.
When looking up the word "disgrace" (the noun) in the dictionary,
you'll probably find an 8x10 picture of "Robcap" staring back at you.
>>> "Bledsoe was a scared, older lady, who did what she was told to do." <<<
Rob wants to paint both Ruth Paine and Mary Bledsoe as "liars". Both
of them. Rob thinks Paine lied (under oath) when she said that LHO
called her and gave her his WH2-1985 phone number. And Robby goes
further and insinuates that Bledsoe is also a liar when she said
(under oath) that she knew Lee Harvey Oswald prior to 11/22/63 and
that she had rented a room to him in October for $7 a week.
BTW, let's have a look at a few of the things that Robby The Idiot is
ready to call bald-faced "lies" with respect to Mary E. Bledsoe's WC
testimony. Wasn't Mary nice to fill in these extra details about Lee
Oswald and the circumstances surrounding her first coming into contact
with him? These are all LIES, remember, according to Super-Moron
Caprio:
MRS. BLEDSOE -- "The first time I ever saw him or heard of him [Lee
Oswald], I was in the backyard doing a lot of yardwork. I come around
the house and he was standing on the porch, and he said, "Do you have
a room for rent?" I had a "for rent" sign out. I said, "Yes"; and he
said, "May I see it?"; "Yes"; and then I was trying to size him up to
get in that room...and I said, "Are you married?" And he said, "Yes, I
am married. I just want this for a short time. My wife lives at
Irving." And then we got inside the house and he had a thing where
this--pictures of his wife and baby--and he said he was in the Marine
Corps, and I tried to be nice to him, and so, he paid me $7."
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/bledsoe.htm
Perhaps Robby should take a full look at Mary Bledsoe's testimony
linked above too. But, then too, it wouldn't matter. Rob's mind is
already made up (based on ZERO pieces of evidence--only based on his
kook mindset about this case) that Mary Bledsoe is a liar. So reading
her WC testimony would matter little, I surmise.
As stated previously (and it's still as true as ever) -- Robby is an
LNer's dream come to (kooky) life. And he demonstrates this to be true
every time he goes to the keyboard.
robcap...@netscape.com
> >>> "What reason would there be for Ruth Paine to write a phone number in her book regarding LHO?" <<<
"If you would just take some time to actually read some of the facts
(and testimony) regarding the matters you continually mangle beyond
all recognition, you might find out."
LOL!!! Ruth Paine "claiming" a dead man, LHO, gave her a number
without any proof is now a "fact" in DVP's world.
"But, since you apparently have no desire to do that, I'll have to:"
You have to "earn" that government money some how, don't you? (wink-
wink)
"In this particular instance, Lee Oswald phoned Ruth Paine in early
October of '63 to give Ruth and Marina the phone number of the
roominghouse at which he had rented a room from Mrs. Mary Bledsoe at
621 North Marsalis Street in Dallas....and probably the biggest reason
for Oswald making that call to Ruth Paine was because LHO wanted Ruth
or Marina to be able to quickly get in touch with him due to the fact
that Marina was about to go into labor with the birth of the Oswalds'
second child at any time. (The baby was born on October 20th.)"
Again, I ask, where is your PROOF of this alledged call by LHO? I'll
admit, this makes sense to the average Joe, but your side as painted
LHO as anything but average, he was raving lunatic who beat Marina on
a constant basis according to you LNers, so why would he give a crap
about the second child? I love how you like to have your cake and eat
it too when it suits your delusional points of view.
"Just read the damned transcript, Mr. Rob-Kook. You'd be amazed at how
much MORE stupid your theories turn out to be (if that's even possible
at this stage of your silly kook game) after doing that little bit of
reading."
Will this transcript provide proof of LHO calling Ruth Paine with this
number to where he was staying (at Mrs. Bledsoe's)? Will this
transcript provide LHO's side of things? I doubt it very much, so
once again, where is your proof?
"Perhaps Robby will next theorize that the baby (Rachel Oswald) was
"planted" in Marina's womb by evil conspirators in some manner too,
for the purpose of enacting this meaningless charade carried out by
Ruth Paine regarding the telephone number of Mary Bledsoe. (Wouldn't
surprise me a bit...after all, this kook named Rob can't even figure
out the fact that his precious patsy really did kill J.D. Tippit. With
ignorance like that festering in his brain, anything that follows is
possible.)"
Don't be silly, I don't need to say this as your side has already
painted LHO to be a raving lunatic, and a LONER, so why should any of
us buy he cared about his family now? All this tirade over the point
she could have easily handwritten in a number post-assassination, or
the FBI could have once she gave up her address book, makes me think
some is prostesting too much.
"Anyway, here's the relevant testimony from Ruth Paine re. WH2-1985:
=====================================
>Mr. JENNER - Yes; now, give it as chronologically as you can; how you came by >that telephone number, the circumstances under which it was given to you.
>
> Mrs. PAINE - He [LHO] said this is the telephone number.
>
> Mr. JENNER - Was Marina present?
>
> Mrs. PAINE - Yes. He said of the room where he was staying, renting a
> room, and I could reach him here if she went into labor.
>
> Mr. JENNER - I see, the coming of the baby was imminent?
>
> Mrs. PAINE - Yes.
>
> Mr. JENNER - When was the baby expected?
>
> Mrs. PAINE - Any time after the first week in October. Any time, in
> other words.
Again, where is HIS version of this event? Oh, that's right, he was
GUNNED DOWN LIKE A DOG WHILE IN POLICE CUSTODY, so we DON'T have his
side of the story do we? Well then, how can she or you PROVE THIS IS
WHAT HAPPENED? Answer: you can't. Next.
===================================
> >>> "I see no reason for this woman [Ruth Paine] to be SO involved in their lives [LHO's and Marina's]." <<<
"Classic Kook Logic here. Rob decides FOR RUTH PAINE what Ruth Paine
should be "involved" in."
Classic Kook Logic? Sounds pretty normal to me. I guess Dave lives in
a "Stepford Wives" kinda neighborhood where everyone is in everyone's
business and lives. I have Indiana is quite weird.
"Don't ya love it when conspiracy-happy kooks try to think logically--
and always fail in those attempts?"
The ONLY failing is you, as it was NOT normal LHO behavior to call and
give a number to Marina of where he was staying, besides, he spoke
Russian, so he certainly could have given it directly to her, and NOT
through Ruth Paine.
> >>> "We know Ruth Paine is a liar as her actions speak volumes on this topic." <<<
"What "actions" are you talking about, you freaking moron?"
Dave, calm down, remember your weak bladder. She said "We've been
expecting you" to the cops, but then recanted. She let them search
without a warrant, she left the premises to go "shopping" while they
searched on Saturday, she sold LHO out on every turn, but you want us
to believe LHO would give her a number? When he called her for help
from jail in terms of getting John Abt she did nothing, she flushed
him down the toilet and you expect us to believe LHO trusted her?
You're nuts.
"Ruth Paine has done NOTHING that would make any "reasonable" person
suspicious of her hours and hours worth of WC testimony."
Your definition of "reasonable" must equal a patient at Bellevue.
"As usual, we've got an idiot (in this case Robby) calling a person an
outright "liar" without a single shred of proof to back it up. Just
meaningless accusations instead."
You are wrong as usual, I said her actions speak for themself, I never
used the word liar in reference to her. I don't have to.
When looking up the word "disgrace" (the noun) in the dictionary,
you'll probably find an 8x10 picture of "Robcap" staring back at you."
Copy cat!!! Can't you be original? IF NOT lying to support a phony
theory is a "disgrace" then I'm happy to be one.
> >>> "Bledsoe was a scared, older lady, who did what she was told to do." <<<
"Rob wants to paint both Ruth Paine and Mary Bledsoe as "liars"."
I think their statements have shown this to be the case long before
me, but if you are dolling out credit, thanks!
"Both of them. Rob thinks Paine lied (under oath) when she said that
LHO called her and gave her his WH2-1985 phone number."
I have abstained from calling her a liar, I have simply asked you to
provide proof since LHO was NOT around to give his side of the story,
and to date you have FAILED as usual to do so.
"And Robby goes further and insinuates that Bledsoe is also a liar
when she said (under oath) that she knew Lee Harvey Oswald prior to
11/22/63 and that she had rented a room to him in October for $7 a
week."
If there is NO threat of perjury, and there wasn't since NOT one
person was charged with it, how dangerous is this? She also can't
prove LHO ever stayed at her house.
"BTW, let's have a look at a few of the things that Robby The Idiot is
ready to call bald-faced "lies" with respect to Mary E. Bledsoe's WC
testimony."
Why the anger Dave, I don't call you an idiot (LNers favorite word by
the way) constantly? Why can't you talk in a civil tone, oh that's
right, you have NO proof and evidence to back you up so you have to
use personal attacks instead.
"Wasn't Mary nice to fill in these extra details about Lee Oswald and
the circumstances surrounding her first coming into contact with him?
These are all LIES, remember, according to Super-Moron Caprio:"
Yeah, she "disliked" him because he put milk in the refrigerator!!!
God forbid, where else does milk go? She disliked him because he ate
in room ONCE!!! There are more silly assertions but you get the gist.
MRS. BLEDSOE -- "The first time I ever saw him or heard of him [Lee
Oswald], I was in the backyard doing a lot of yardwork. I come around
the house and he was standing on the porch, and he said, "Do you have
a room for rent?" I had a "for rent" sign out. I said, "Yes"; and he
said, "May I see it?"; "Yes"; and then I was trying to size him up to
get in that room...and I said, "Are you married?" And he said, "Yes, I
am married. I just want this for a short time. My wife lives at
Irving." And then we got inside the house and he had a thing where
this--pictures of his wife and baby--and he said he was in the Marine
Corps, and I tried to be nice to him, and so, he paid me $7."
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/bledsoe.htm
What does this prove?
"Perhaps Robby should take a full look at Mary Bledsoe's testimony
linked above too. But, then too, it wouldn't matter. Rob's mind is
already made up (based on ZERO pieces of evidence--only based on his
kook mindset about this case) that Mary Bledsoe is a liar. So reading
her WC testimony would matter little, I surmise."
I have, perhaps you think I made this post up as well? That is why I
know she was a loon and totally wrong about her assertions.
"As stated previously (and it's still as true as ever) -- Robby is an
LNer's dream come to (kooky) life. And he demonstrates this to be true
every time he goes to the keyboard."
If showing you folks (LNers) to be fools is a dream come true, then I
am happy to due my part. I'll keep up the good work for you too! I
won't let you down, I promise!