OSWALD'S MOTIVE
David Von Pein
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Peter Jennings host[ed] and narrat[ed] "The Kennedy Assassination:
Beyond Conspiracy", an outstanding 2003-produced documentary which
does a nice job of laying out the tragic details of JFK's murder.
A 24-year-old oddball by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald shot and killed
U.S. President John F. Kennedy on November the 22nd, 1963. Quite
obviously, not every single aspect of the murders of both JFK and
Dallas policeman J.D. Tippit (who was also cut down by Oswald that
same day) can be covered in depth within one 88-minute program like
this [ABC] one.
But Mr. Jennings and ABC-TV News do a good job (IMO) of bringing the
major issues and evidence to the forefront here -- evidence that
unquestionably tells us that Lee Harvey Oswald killed two men in 1963.
Many conspiracists don't believe that Oswald shot anyone that day in
Dallas, Texas. And these same "CTers" don't think Oswald had any
motive at all for murdering the President. The bulk of the evidence
says they are wrong, however, and also says that the now-deceased
Oswald is/was guilty as Hitler.
REGARDING "MOTIVE":
As most people know, verifying a defendant's specific motive is not
required in order to prove someone's guilt of committing a crime
"beyond a reasonable doubt" (which I believe that the evidence DOES do
with regard to Oswald's guilt in both the JFK and J.D. Tippit
murders).
But, as for motive, yes, I have a thought on Oswald's reasons for
wanting to kill John Kennedy. And, yes, it aligns with anti-conspiracy
author Gerald Posner's thoughts on the matter. Call me a Posner-
Bugliosi-Warren Commission "Parrot" if you so desire (I don't mind --
that's good company, IMO) -- but the "He Was Devoting Himself To
Political Assassination" motive makes the most sense to me,
considering the overall weirdness and "social outcast" character of a
certain Mr. Lee H. Oswald.
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THE "OSWALD ALONE" SCENARIO:
1.) Lee Harvey Oswald purchases a high-powered rifle by mail-order in
March of 1963. He uses an alias (A.J. Hidell) to order the rifle (plus
he buys a handgun by mail-order at approximately the same time in
early '63).
2.) Days after receiving his Mannlicher-Carcano 6.5mm rifle, what does
he do? .... He goes to the home of General Edwin A. Walker and tries
to kill him in the darkness of night on April 10, 1963. He even has
detailed "plans" drawn up on where he'll "hide" (bury) the rifle, and
written instructions for his wife, Marina, on what to do if he's
captured before he can return to her. Marina even testifies (and has
never wavered from this claim) that Oswald told her -- "I just shot at
Walker".
3.) There's also reason to believe, again through Marina's testimony,
that LHO had possibly planned to shoot another political figure in
late April of 1963, only a matter of days after the Walker attempt.
There's some confusion surrounding this incident, however, as it's
unclear whether Oswald's potential target was former Vice-President
Richard Nixon or the then-current Vice-President Lyndon Johnson.
Either way, though, it would indicate a potential violent act being
committed by Oswald toward a person with political power.
4.) Lee Oswald next sees a golden opportunity that he simply cannot
pass up. He finds out a few days prior to November 22, 1963, that
President Kennedy is coming right through his city (Dallas) in a
motorcade that will take the President's car directly in front of his
workplace. Therein lies the perfect chance to redeem himself for his
failing in April in the Walker attempt.
5.) The result? --- An unexpected weeknight trip to Irving by Oswald
to get the rifle (his only rifle, which was being stored inside Ruth
Paine's garage in the Dallas suburb of Irving). He wraps up the weapon
in brown paper, and carries it into work on Friday morning, November
22. He tells a lie about the contents of the package he carries with
him to work that day.
Oswald has easy access to all floors of the building where he
works (the Texas School Book Depository), including Floor #6. The odd
stacking of book cartons on the sixth floor makes it an even easier
task for Oswald to construct his "nest" at the southeast corner
window. Just another hodge-podge of books stacked up to any casual
passer-by.
6.) 12:30 PM, November 22 -- Oswald does the deed he had set out to do
no more than six days prior. He can no doubt tell with his third shot
that the deed was successfully accomplished. He admires it for just an
extra moment or two at the window.
7.) Hastily, he dashes to the western end of the building's sixth
floor and stashes the rifle behind some boxes. (And this makeshift
hiding place WAS a fairly good one, considering the assassin's obvious
and understandable hurried state. Because the rifle wasn't discovered
by the police until 1:22 PM -- some 52 minutes after the shooting,
even though the building was crawling with a police presence almost
immediately after the last shot rang out.
By 1:22, Oswald had already taken a bus and a cab to the general
area of his Oak Cliff roominghouse, had dashed into his room, put on a
light jacket, picked up his revolver, hoofed it to 10th & Patton,
killed Dallas policeman J.D. Tippit, and was slinking in the alley
behind Jefferson Blvd. by the time his rifle was first discovered in
the Depository.)
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Lee Harvey Oswald was a true-blue kook. There's not much doubt about
this fact. And trying to figure out why kooks do some of the things
they do is a difficult task at best. Oswald's motive(s) for killing
John Kennedy will forever remain a mystery. We can only guess about
such things now. But, IMO, I think it was probably the following
combination of things that led Oswald to do what he did on 11/22/63:
1.) Oswald's political kookiness;
2.) His hatred toward most things representing the "USA";
3.) And the golden opportunity on 11/22/63 to kill the top leader of a
country he had grown to hate.
I also think Oswald enjoyed the "game" he was playing with the police
and FBI after he was arrested. That is something Oswald relished too,
IMO. One of Oswald's quotes while in custody leads somewhat to that
conclusion -- i.e., "Well, you guys are the cops...YOU figure it out!"
But in the final analysis, that weasel named Lee Harvey Oswald was too
much of a coward to confess to his famous crime. In the end, he valued
his own hide more than anything else.
A large number of conspiracy theorists vehemently disagree with the
scenario I've outlined above. I guess many people always will have a
desire to interject the word "conspiracy" into the JFK case. And those
same CTers will fight to exonerate a murdering lowlife named Oswald
until they've breathed their own last breaths of air. Well, so be it.
But, in my personal opinion, Lee Harvey Oswald was just exactly the
type of Loner/Outcast/Weirdo/Nutcase (take your pick) who would aim a
rifle at the head of a passing U.S. President.
David Von Pein
November 22, 2005
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> Peter Jennings host[ed] and narrat[ed] "The Kennedy Assassination:
> Beyond Conspiracy", an outstanding 2003-produced documentary which
> does a nice job of laying out the tragic details of JFK's murder.
>
> A 24-year-old oddball by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald shot and killed
> U.S. President John F. Kennedy on November the 22nd, 1963. Quite
> obviously, not every single aspect of the murders of both JFK and
> Dallas policeman J.D. Tippit (who was also cut down by Oswald that
> same day) can be covered in depth within one 88-minute program like
> this [ABC] one.
Quite obviously, not every single aspect of the murders of both JFK
and
Dallas policeman J.D. Tippit (who was also cut down by Oswald that
same day) can be covered in depth within one 88-minute program like
this [ABC] one.
Translation:.... I can't present the whole gargantuan lie in just an
88 minute program.... Hey c'mon gimme a break, The Warren Commission
couldn't do it in ten months.... wadda ya expect??
In Fact IF IF Oswald had been anything but a patsy..... The
IRREFUTABLE FACTS pointing to his guilt could easily be presented in
ten minutes. But since there are no IRREFUTABLE FACTS the LNer's
have to present lies that CAN"T be supported.
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"Peter Jennings host[ed] and narrat[ed] "The Kennedy Assassination:
Beyond Conspiracy", an outstanding 2003-produced documentary which
does a nice job of laying out the tragic details of JFK's murder."
Outstanding? It was a horrible re-enactment of the phony official
theory.
"A 24-year-old oddball by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald shot and
killed U.S. President John F. Kennedy on November the 22nd, 1963.
Quite obviously, not every single aspect of the murders of both JFK
and Dallas policeman J.D. Tippit (who was also cut down by Oswald that
same day) can be covered in depth within one 88-minute program like
this [ABC] one."
You have NO proof or evidence to support this and most people who read
this board already know this.
"But Mr. Jennings and ABC-TV News do a good job (IMO) of bringing the
major issues and evidence to the forefront here -- evidence that
unquestionably tells us that Lee Harvey Oswald killed two men in
1963."
So unlike you, they actually mention the "evidence"?
"Many conspiracists don't believe that Oswald shot anyone that day in
Dallas, Texas. And these same "CTers" don't think Oswald had any
motive at all for murdering the President. The bulk of the evidence
says they are wrong, however, and also says that the now-deceased
Oswald is/was guilty as Hitler."
The "evidence put forth by the WC is why most CTers don't believe LHO
shot anyone as nothing proves it more than this. The WC failed to
show a reasonable motive, so of course we say he had NO motive for
killing JFK. It is funny you should mention Hitler, since one of his
top historians (i.e. propagandist) wrote the WCR.
"REGARDING "MOTIVE":
As most people know, verifying a defendant's specific motive is not
required in order to prove someone's guilt of committing a crime
"beyond a reasonable doubt" (which I believe that the evidence DOES do
with regard to Oswald's guilt in both the JFK and J.D. Tippit
murders)."
This is true in cases where the perpetrator is seen doing the crime by
witnesses, and possibly captured on video, but in most cases the
motive is vital to the investigation to determine who to investigate.
Lack of motive can hurt a case substantially if you have a
circumstantial one, like the LHO case, because you can't show a reason
why the person would do it in the first place.
"But, as for motive, yes, I have a thought on Oswald's reasons for
wanting to kill John Kennedy. And, yes, it aligns with anti-conspiracy
author Gerald Posner's thoughts on the matter. Call me a Posner-
Bugliosi-Warren Commission "Parrot" if you so desire (I don't mind --
that's good company, IMO) -- but the "He Was Devoting Himself To
Political Assassination" motive makes the most sense to me,
considering the overall weirdness and "social outcast" character of a
certain Mr. Lee H. Oswald."
What?????? Does this mean something? How does this prove his reason
for shooting a President? What are they basing this on? How can a man
with friends, as wife and kids be a social outcast? This is absurd.
> -------------------
"THE "OSWALD ALONE" SCENARIO:
1.) Lee Harvey Oswald purchases a high-powered rifle by mail-order in
March of 1963. He uses an alias (A.J. Hidell) to order the rifle (plus
he buys a handgun by mail-order at approximately the same time in
early '63)."
NONE of this was PROVEN by the WC! First of all the Mannlicher-
Carcano is a low-to-medium velocity rifle, so even the claim it was a
high-velocity rifle is incorrect. Secondly, they NEVER proved he
ordered ANY rifle at all, especially a 40 inch M-C. Thirdly, they
NEVER proved he used any alias beyond O.H. Lee (which he used to rent
a room). All this can apply to the revolver as well. The funny thing
with that weapon is he allegedly ordered it in January yet it did NOT
get delivered until March with the rifle according to the WC.
"2.) Days after receiving his Mannlicher-Carcano 6.5mm rifle, what
does he do? .... He goes to the home of General Edwin A. Walker and
tries to kill him in the darkness of night on April 10, 1963. He even
has detailed "plans" drawn up on where he'll "hide" (bury) the rifle,
and written instructions for his wife, Marina, on what to do if he's
captured before he can return to her. Marina even testifies (and has
never wavered from this claim) that Oswald told her -- "I just shot at
Walker"."
More baloney. The WC NEVER proved he received the rifle as it was
allegedly sent to an A. Hidell, but LHO's page 3 (the section on the
postal box application for other people to be authorized to receive
mail) NEVER listed an A. Hidell. The shooting attempt on the General
(a right-wing fanatic) was NEVER proven, in fact, the only witness
said the man who took the shot DROVE away in a car, and LHO did NOT
know how to drive. Marina's testimony would not have been permitted at
trial due to spousal privledge. She was a shaky witness and is the
only one who they could produce to substaniate the claim regarding the
attempt on Gen. Walker's life.
"3.) There's also reason to believe, again through Marina's testimony,
that LHO had possibly planned to shoot another political figure in
late April of 1963, only a matter of days after the Walker attempt.
There's some confusion surrounding this incident, however, as it's
unclear whether Oswald's potential target was former Vice-President
Richard Nixon or the then-current Vice-President Lyndon Johnson.
Either way, though, it would indicate a potential violent act being
committed by Oswald toward a person with political power."
More baloney. LHO is all over the place here according to the WC.
Their main reasoning for him shooting JFK was because he was a
communist, but they have him trying to kill right-wingers all over the
place. This is further proof they had NO idea what his motive would
have been if he had shot JFK, which of course we know he did NOT.
This is just more conjecture and hearsay from a person who was
secluded and threatened with deportation unless she cooperated.
"4.) Lee Oswald next sees a golden opportunity that he simply cannot
pass up. He finds out a few days prior to November 22, 1963, that
President Kennedy is coming right through his city (Dallas) in a
motorcade that will take the President's car directly in front of his
workplace. Therein lies the perfect chance to redeem himself for his
failing in April in the Walker attempt."
Prove he found this out. NO one could say LHO read the papers every
day, and he was NOT a t.v. watcher. Perhaps he heard from the
workers, but yet again, the WC failed to prove how he heard the news,
therefore, his knowledge of the event is up in the air. In fact,
several workers said he asked them the morning of the visit what all
the fuss was about, this is a clear indication to me he had NO clue
the President was coming.
"5.) The result? --- An unexpected weeknight trip to Irving by Oswald
to get the rifle (his only rifle, which was being stored inside Ruth
Paine's garage in the Dallas suburb of Irving). He wraps up the weapon
in brown paper, and carries it into work on Friday morning, November
22. He tells a lie about the contents of the package he carries with
him to work that day."
More conjecture without proof. Yet again the WC let's poor Davy down
as they failed to prove any of this. Why did he NOT mention to his
wife and big-mouth Ruth he was there for "curtain rods"? Why did he
only allegedly tell this to Wes Frazier? Where is your proof he had a
rifle in their garage? Where is your proof he took it from the garage
on the morning of 11/22/63 and carried it to the TSBD? Where is your
proof he reassembled AND resighted the gun for use on 11/22/63? Where
is your proof he lied about the contents of his lunch bag?
"Oswald has easy access to all floors of the building where he
works (the Texas School Book Depository), including Floor #6. The odd
stacking of book cartons on the sixth floor makes it an even easier
task for Oswald to construct his "nest" at the southeast corner
window. Just another hodge-podge of books stacked up to any casual
passer-by."
So did a lot of other people as the TSBD was employing a bunch of temp
workers to help with the laying of a new floor on the 6th and 7th
floors. This is poor claim of proof as a lot of people had access
throughout the building. Where is your proof he built the SN? Why
did three men who claimed to hear shell casings not hear LHO building
a sniper's nest? Or hear him running to hide the gun after the
shooting? Why were his partial prints on just two boxes when he would
have had to move quite a few to build the nest?
"6.) 12:30 PM, November 22 -- Oswald does the deed he had set out to
do no more than six days prior. He can no doubt tell with his third
shot that the deed was successfully accomplished. He admires it for
just an extra moment or two at the window."
Stephen King would be proud of this fiction. You have NO witness(es)
that could show LHO fired any shots.
"7.) Hastily, he dashes to the western end of the building's sixth
floor and stashes the rifle behind some boxes. (And this makeshift
hiding place WAS a fairly good one, considering the assassin's obvious
and understandable hurried state. Because the rifle wasn't discovered
by the police until 1:22 PM -- some 52 minutes after the shooting,
even though the building was crawling with a police presence almost
immediately after the last shot rang out."
How come ATF agent, Frank Ellsworth, said the rifle was found on the
fourth floor after 1:30 pm during the second search? Why were there
NO prints of LHO's on the rifle or casings?
By 1:22, Oswald had already taken a bus and a cab to the
general area of his Oak Cliff roominghouse, had dashed into his room,
put on a light jacket, picked up his revolver, hoofed it to 10th &
Patton, killed Dallas policeman J.D. Tippit, and was slinking in the
alley behind Jefferson Blvd. by the time his rifle was first
discovered in the Depository.)"
More fiction. The whole bus, cab escape plan is bogus, there is NO
proof he did this at all. It is very likely he left the rear of the
TSBD and entered a Nash Rambler and was taken to his boarding house so
he could prepare to leave for the rendevous point.
> -------------------
"Lee Harvey Oswald was a true-blue kook. There's not much doubt about
this fact. And trying to figure out why kooks do some of the things
they do is a difficult task at best. Oswald's motive(s) for killing
John Kennedy will forever remain a mystery. We can only guess about
such things now. But, IMO, I think it was probably the following
combination of things that led Oswald to do what he did on 11/22/63:"
The only "true-blue kook" is the man who wants to convict someone of
two murders with NO proof or evidence like you. His motive should NOT
be a mystery, it should have been discovered during the investigation.
"1.) Oswald's political kookiness;"
He liked JFK and told many people this. He felt the government was
not for the people, and many would agree. True, he was ahead of his
times as most of the population trusted its government in 1963, but
there is no crime here.
"2.) His hatred toward most things representing the "USA";"
This was all an act. Show your proof of his hatred.
"3.) And the golden opportunity on 11/22/63 to kill the top leader of
a country he had grown to hate."
So for his golden opportunity he chose a poor rifle with a bent scope,
a rusty firing pin, and he then chose a spot to fire from that had a
huge tree in the way. Some plan.
"I also think Oswald enjoyed the "game" he was playing with the police
and FBI after he was arrested. That is something Oswald relished too,
IMO. One of Oswald's quotes while in custody leads somewhat to that
conclusion -- i.e., "Well, you guys are the cops...YOU figure it
out!""
More profiling from Davy, like he knows what LHO liked and enjoyed.
What a joke. He was saying you are accusing me of several crimes, and
you want me to help you do that? Heck no, you are the cops, you prove
it.
"But in the final analysis, that weasel named Lee Harvey Oswald was
too much of a coward to confess to his famous crime. In the end, he
valued his own hide more than anything else."
Like Dave is a brave man, he has NEVER served his country at all.
Even on this board he doesn't as he tells deliberate falsehoods about
the true nature of the assassination of JFK. Some hero there.
"A large number of conspiracy theorists vehemently disagree with the
scenario I've outlined above. I guess many people always will have a
desire to interject the word "conspiracy" into the JFK case. And those
same CTers will fight to exonerate a murdering lowlife named Oswald
until they've breathed their own last breaths of air. Well, so be it."
You can shut them all up Dave, just show real proof and real evidence
of LHO's guilt. Of course this is impossible since JFK was killed as
a result of a conspiracy.
"But, in my personal opinion, Lee Harvey Oswald was just exactly the
type of Loner/Outcast/Weirdo/Nutcase (take your pick) who would aim a
rifle at the head of a passing U.S. President."
Well your opinion is like your "evidence", full of crap.
YoHarvey
wrote:
Read the above comment. So typical of the ignorance of Jesus/Robcap.
Apparently, he believes a professional group of assassins apparently
would use better quality weapons. And yet, NO ballistic evidence
exists for any other weapons. Gee, wonder why.