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WHY DON'T CTers EVER ASK THEMSELVES THIS QUESTION CONCERNING THE SBT?

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David Von Pein

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Sep 27, 2009, 6:45:50 AM9/27/09
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>>> "Only a diehard would deny that CE 903 has caught the FBI with its big thumb on their scale." <<<

What a bunch of malarkey.

CE903 completely destroys the oft-repeated conspiracy-favoring myth
of:

"GERALD FORD MOVED THE WOUND UP INTO THE NECK OF PRESIDENT
KENNEDY TO MAKE THE S.B.T. PLAUSIBLE."

CE903 proves that CTers are off their rockers when they prop up the
above nonsense about Ford's mysterious "move". Because "moving" the
wound from where it's always been (JFK's upper back) to the "neck"
would totally wreck the SBT's trajectory and alignment.

http://reclaiming-history.googlegroups.com/web/119.+CE903?gda=Fw3AIzw...

Also.....

Anti-SBTers should also be asking themselves a very important question
too....this question:

If the SBT is completely impossible (as so many CTers firmly believe),
how in the world would the WC and the FBI even be able to FUDGE the
"SBT" results as seen in CE903 and have those results come anywhere
close to duplicating (at least fairly closely) the positioning of the
victims in the car AND the wound locations on the TWO victims?

In other words, in any kind of a shooting scenario that a CTer could
hypothesize to replace the SBT, wasn't it absolutely remarkable (and
super-lucky) to have those two or three different gunmen hit the TWO
victims with their two or three or four bullets in almost exactly the
locations on the two mens' bodies so that on May 24, 1964, the WC and
the FBI could connect those various bullet holes and FUDGE A PRETTY
DAMN NICE-LOOKING SINGLE-BULLET EVENT?

Why don't any of the conspiracy-loving kooks EVER ask themselves that
reasonable question?

Gil Jesus

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Sep 27, 2009, 7:09:58 AM9/27/09
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On Sep 27, 6:45�am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:

> CE903 completely destroys the oft-repeated conspiracy-favoring myth
> of:
>
> � � � "GERALD FORD MOVED THE WOUND UP INTO THE NECK OF PRESIDENT
> KENNEDY TO MAKE THE S.B.T. PLAUSIBLE."
>
> CE903 proves that CTers are off their rockers when they prop up the
> above nonsense about Ford's mysterious "move". Because "moving" the
> wound from where it's always been (JFK's upper back) to the "neck"
> would totally wreck the SBT's trajectory and alignment.

Ford admitted to the ARRB in 1997 that he moved the wound in the
report.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuVsimMTUiQ

CE 903 depicts a trajectory that is above the top of the shoulder and
in the base of the neck.

The autopsy photos show a wound much lower.

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David Von Pein

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Sep 27, 2009, 7:22:56 AM9/27/09
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tomnln

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Sep 27, 2009, 11:04:10 PM9/27/09
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David borders on Idiocy & Criminal;

The same photo from the OTHER side Buries him>>>
http://whokilledjfk.net/single_bullet.htm

David KNOWS this but, he keeps showing the WRONG photo ! ! !

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aeffects

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Sep 27, 2009, 11:13:28 PM9/27/09
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On Sep 27, 3:45 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:

your fishing shithead..... don't make a fool out of yourself.....
better yet, make a fool out of yourself, you have my permission......

Carry on shithead!

David Von Pein

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Sep 28, 2009, 5:22:41 AM9/28/09
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www.Single-Bullet-Theory.blogspot.com

www.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/browse_thread/thread/40ed05337f60a67b

>>> "IT'S SO MUCH CLEANER TO HAVE ANOTHER RIFLEMAN HIT CONNALY [sic], PROBABLY FROM THE WEST END OF THE SIXTH FLOOR, IF YOU ANALYZE THE ANGLES." <<<

And then the multiple bullets that pelted the bodies of John Kennedy
and John Connally just disappeared into thin air, eh?

Allow me to once more ask the question that no conspiracy theorist has
ever been able to reasonably and believably answer since 1963:

WHERE DID THE BULLETS GO IF THE S.B.T. IS A PILE OF SHIT?

Related Note:

I was recently re-watching Robert Groden's DVD, "JFK: The Case For
Conspiracy", and I took note of Groden's absurd theory that has FOUR
bullets replacing CE399 and the SBT.

Groden has Kennedy being hit in the throat from some undefined
location on the grassy knoll (with the bullet never exiting JFK's
body), and then he has Kennedy being hit in the upper back (with this
bullet, too, never exiting his body, even though both the throat and
back bullets do not strike any hard objects in Kennedy's body at all).
Go figure this oddity. I can't.

And then Groden, via Mark Crouch's narration on the video, has
Governor Connally being hit by TWO additional bullets, with one of
these missiles striking JBC in the upper back and presumably exiting
his chest (although Groden/Crouch never really spell out what happened
to this bullet). And then, a little later in the Z-Film timeline,
Connally gets hit in the right wrist by yet another bullet.

Groden apparently feels a second Connally shot is required due to the
fact that JBC still has hit Stetson hat in his right hand many frames
after Groden says Connally was hit the first time (at Z224, which is a
Z-Film frame that Groden, somewhat amazingly, actually gets correct).

Groden, of course, is wrong when he says that Connally couldn't
possibly have held onto his hat after the radius bone in his wrist had
been fractured. We know Groden is 100% wrong about that, because
Connally held onto that hat (in his right hand) during the entire
drive to the hospital.

Groden, although he doesn't say this during his "Case For Conspiracy"
program (via Crouch's narration), almost certainly thinks that ALL
FOUR of those bullets that entered the bodies of JFK and JBC
completely disappeared right after the shooting, because we know that
Groden certainly doesn't believe that the separate "wrist" bullet that
he has invented from whole cloth was CE399. 399, per Groden, was a
fake bullet all the way around.

And since we know that neither of Groden's make-believe JFK bullets in
this anti-SBT scenario could possibly be CE399 either (since neither
JFK or his stretcher was ever in the area of Parkland Hospital where
Darrell Tomlinson found the bullet), this must certainly mean that
Groden believes that all four of his mystery bullets miraculously
vanished, with none of those bullets entering the official record of
this criminal case.*

* = Unless Groden wants to believe that his made-up "upper back-thru-
chest" Connally shot ended up in JBC's thigh and then turned out to be
stretcher bullet CE399.

So, what we have (per Bob Groden and other CTers as well) are FOUR
separate bullets going into two different victims. And then, in 1964,
those four bullets and seven wounds, incredibly, were turned into a
very nice-looking ONE-bullet scenario by the Warren Commission, via
CE903:

http://reclaiming-history.googlegroups.com/web/119.+CE903?gda=iN8_STwAAADaPnAtlvPjxRWfhTgppBLhEMe8brR4HKN_-11TnWHLUil61k0AMZJieNRhY9YK56_9Wm-ajmzVoAFUlE7c_fAt

But, as usual, such an amazing "SBT"-like coincidence existing in this
case doesn't seem to wrinkle Mr. Groden's brow one bit. He merely
shrugs off the remarkable SBT similarities within his ridiculous FOUR-
bullet substitute theory, all the while never bothering to ask himself
these two logical questions:


1.) How likely is it that multiple gunmen could have struck the TWO
victims on Elm Street with FOUR separate bullets in just such a way so
that the Warren Commission, on May 24, 1964, would be able to connect
those various bullet holes in order to FAKE A VERY NICE-LOOKING SINGLE-
BULLET EVENT?


2.) Since JFK suffered no major (bony) bullet damage in the upper-back
and throat regions of his body, how could TWO separate bullets just
STOP inside John Kennedy's upper back and throat without either one of
these missiles exiting the other side of his body?


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www.Amazon.com/review/R1FO0Z0L90V09Y

www.The-Killing-Of-A-President.blogspot.com


Robert

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Sep 28, 2009, 9:30:14 AM9/28/09
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On Sep 27, 6:45 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/threa...

>
> >>> "Only a diehard would deny that CE 903 has caught the FBI with its big thumb on their scale." <<<
>
> What a bunch of malarkey.
>
> CE903 completely destroys the oft-repeated conspiracy-favoring myth
> of:
>
>       "GERALD FORD MOVED THE WOUND UP INTO THE NECK OF PRESIDENT
> KENNEDY TO MAKE THE S.B.T. PLAUSIBLE."
>
> CE903 proves that CTers are off their rockers when they prop up the
> above nonsense about Ford's mysterious "move". Because "moving" the
> wound from where it's always been (JFK's upper back) to the "neck"
> would totally wreck the SBT's trajectory and alignment.
>
> http://reclaiming-history.googlegroups.com/web/119.+CE903?gda=Fw3AIzw...
>
> Also.....
>
> Anti-SBTers should also be asking themselves a very important question
> too....this question:
>
> If the SBT is completely impossible (as so many CTers firmly believe),
> how in the world would the WC and the FBI even be able to FUDGE the
> "SBT" results as seen in CE903 and have those results come anywhere
> close to duplicating (at least fairly closely) the positioning of the
> victims in the car AND the wound locations on the TWO victims?

Where is the AUTOPSY PROBE PICTURE showing us that that back wound and
the throat wound ARE ACTUALLY CONNECTED?

YOU never answer this VERY IMPORTANT question, how come?

IF you can't prove they are connected, and YOU can't, then all you
left is conjecture and the available evidence shows this conjecture of
YOURS to be false.

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