A Rifle, Curtain Rods and Confusion
John McAdams
>
>
> Is it any wonder that she won't use her real name? Who would want to
> have to accept responsibility for the irrational conclusion that Oswald
> "was preparing a new apartment for his family" by carrying curtain rods
> to the Book Depository on the morning of 11/22/63, *after* being
> completely rebuffed by Marina on the night before (11/21/63) with no
> hope of reconciliation?
>
> But this is the typical merde being put out for the gullible and
> uninformed by those desperate to revise history with fiction and
> illogic.
>
> <quote on>-------
>
> Hi, Joisa. I enjoy your posts. I notice on another, un-named usenet
> group
She's taking about alt.assassination.jfk. A saner place. See:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/news.htm
> you raise a question about the wrapping of Ruth Paine's curtain
> rods in brown paper. As it happens, there is a very simple answer to
> this question. Ruth Paine herself gave testimony on this very matter,
> confirming that she had curtain rods *wrapped in brown paper* in her
> garage. For numerous reasons, there is no doubt whatsoever now that
> this is exactly what Oswald took to work on 11-22-63. (This will all
> come out at some point).
>
No doubt??!!
These were the curtain rods that were recovered from the garage in
*March.*
Now What's Her Name is positing that they were taken in to the
Depository by Oswald on November 22nd, and then somehow returned to the
Paine's?
I note that she says "this will all come out."
Translation: "your evidence is in the mail."
> As to the question frequently raised as to why Oswald denied having
> curtain rods, I believe the answer to that is quite simple as well. He
> took the curtain rods from Paine's garage without her permission, and
> did not want to admit that to the police. (Additional evidence to me
> that Lee didn't have a clue as to just how much trouble he was in). He
> knew she was not using them, and being somewhat cheap (for obvious
> reasons) and needing them for the apartment he had recently rented (and
> told his wife about on the evening of 11-21) he simply lifted them.
>
And what is the evidence he had rented an apartment?
> There is actually an FBI report from a former landlord of Oswald's who
> mentions Oswald's fixation with curtains in an earlier apartment.
>
I don't suppose a citation for this will be posted, eh?
> In summary, Oswald was preparing a new apartment for his family. He
> went home to tell Marina, and to get the rods he had already noticed to
> set up curtains--something he had a history of being picky about. These
> rods were found by the Secret Service where they were left by Oswald.
The rods that had been in the Paines garage were *still* in the Paine's
garage in March, when they were recovered and entered into evidence.
> This is what happened. Ignore anything that is posted to the contrary.
> It will be false. You can take that to the bank.
>
Interesting attempt to substitute assertion for evidence.
> <quote off>--------
>
> Hell—o??? Mary???
>
> You sat on the same stage with Marina on the Oprah show. On that show
> Marina told Oprah that she *knew* it was Oswald's rifle in the Paine
> garage that the police were looking for and further, that she was
> embarrassed about *not* telling Ruth Paine about that rifle hidden in
> the garage. Why are you now pretending otherwise?
>
> Do you really think that after Lee was rebuffed, and after leaving
> Marina his money and ring, he was still somehow hoping to redecorate a
> new apartment for his family?
>
Do I take it that the LaFontaines *now* know about the curtain rods in
the Paine garage? They didn't seem to when they wrote their book. They
talked about some "found" curtain rods, and strongly implied that these
might be the "curtain rods" that Oswald took to the Depository.
I'll post their shoddy treatment of that issue on alt.assassination.jfk.
.John
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DebraHartman
McAdams) wrote:
>Steve Bochan wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> Is it any wonder that she won't use her real name?
Now *who* might we be referring to?
> Who would want to
>> have to accept responsibility for the irrational conclusion that Oswald
>> "was preparing a new apartment for his family" by carrying curtain rods
>> to the Book Depository on the morning of 11/22/63, *after* being
>> completely rebuffed by Marina on the night before (11/21/63) with no
>> hope of reconciliation?
"Irrational conclusion"? My, my, my.
I just love these *unmarried* marriage analysts, doesn't everybody?
"completely rebuffed" eh? "no hope of reconciliation," huh? I'd
like to see what Mrs. Oswald would say about that. These unmarrieds
live in a dream world, don't they? Now this one's inside Oswald's
head. Hope he doesn't get lost.
>>=20
>> But this is the typical merde being put out for the gullible and
>> uninformed by those desperate to revise history with fiction and
>> illogic.
Wonder what those cute little =20s are. Is he trying to tell us he
just learned to add 10+10? Okay. Good boy.
>>=20
>> <quote on>-------
>>=20
>> Hi, Joisa. I enjoy your posts. I notice on another, un-named usenet
>> group=20
>
>
>She's taking
Who's "taking"?
Sorry, there are no takers here.
> about alt.assassination.jfk. A saner place.
Read on, dear readers. It gets better. We'll get back to the "saner"
place.
>
>
>> you raise a question about the wrapping of Ruth Paine's curtain
>> rods in brown paper. As it happens, there is a very simple answer to
>> this question. Ruth Paine herself gave testimony on this very matter,
>> confirming that she had curtain rods *wrapped in brown paper* in her
>> garage. For numerous reasons, there is no doubt whatsoever now that
>> this is exactly what Oswald took to work on 11-22-63. (This will all
>> come out at some point).
>>=20
>
>No doubt??!!
>
>These were the curtain rods that were recovered from the garage in
>*March.*
Huh uh. That was another set, almost identical to the ones taken in
November.
>
>Now What's Her Name
What *is* her name? Should I be blushing? Certainly has you and your
happy friend all hot and bothered!
>is positing that they were taken in to the
>Depository by Oswald on November 22nd, and then somehow returned to the
>Paine's?
Nope. But it's so much fun to build those straw castles isn't it?
>
>I note that she says "this will all come out."
Yeah, I heard that.
>
>Translation: "your evidence is in the mail."
Nah. I'd expect to see it in a much more public place if I were you.
>
>
>> As to the question frequently raised as to why Oswald denied having
>> curtain rods, I believe the answer to that is quite simple as well. He
>> took the curtain rods from Paine's garage without her permission, and
>> did not want to admit that to the police. (Additional evidence to me
>> that Lee didn't have a clue as to just how much trouble he was in). He
>> knew she was not using them, and being somewhat cheap (for obvious
>> reasons) and needing them for the apartment he had recently rented (and
>> told his wife about on the evening of 11-21) he simply lifted them.
>>=20
>
>And what is the evidence he had rented an apartment?
That, too.
>
>
>> There is actually an FBI report from a former landlord of Oswald's who
>> mentions Oswald's fixation with curtains in an earlier apartment.
>>=20
>
>
>I don't suppose a citation for this will be posted, eh?
Right. I just refuse to do your homework for you. Where was it you
claimed to have gotten a degree? Do they know you can't do research
101? I'm gonna be in Boston soon. I'll suggest a refresher course
for you.
>
>
>> In summary, Oswald was preparing a new apartment for his family. He
>> went home to tell Marina, and to get the rods he had already noticed to
>> set up curtains--something he had a history of being picky about. Thes=
>e
>> rods were found by the Secret Service where they were left by Oswald.
>
>
>The rods that had been in the Paines garage were *still* in the Paine's
>garage in March, when they were recovered and entered into evidence.
*Some* were. But there's that little package that got away in
November. Remember that one?.
>
>
>> This is what happened. Ignore anything that is posted to the contrary.
>> It will be false. You can take that to the bank.
>>=20
>
>Interesting attempt to substitute assertion for evidence.
Oh, no. The evidence is there for any knowledgeable person to
find--heck, most of it's been around for over 30 years. The rest--oh,
close to ten.
>
>
>> <quote off>--------
>>=20
>> Hell=97o??? Mary???
Gee, I would have removed this hysteria if I were you, McDum. It
doesn't look good for that "saner" place of yours.
>>=20
>> You sat on the same stage with Marina on the Oprah show. On that show
>> Marina told Oprah that she *knew* it was Oswald's rifle in the Paine
>> garage that the police were looking for and further, that she was
>> embarrassed about *not* telling Ruth Paine about that rifle hidden in
>> the garage. Why are you now pretending otherwise?
Gosh, this guy should stick to his Odio babblings. He just get worse
and worse. Do you ever clean his cage? Does the SPCA know about
this? Marquette?
>>=20
>> Do you really think that after Lee was rebuffed, and after leaving
>> Marina his money and ring, he was still somehow hoping to redecorate a
>> new apartment for his family?
Tsk, tsk. The unmarried "marriage counselor" syndrome again. Must
have been a student of "Dr. Karla."
>>=20
>
>Do I take it that the LaFontaines *now* know about the curtain rods in
>the Paine garage? They didn't seem to when they wrote their book. They
>talked about some "found" curtain rods, and strongly implied that these
>might be the "curtain rods" that Oswald took to the Depository.
scuse moi, ole boy, but how did the La Fontaines get into this? Are
you hallucinating again? *I* am saying rods from Paines' garage were
the same ones found where Oswald left them. I know you'd like to
claim there is a contradiction, with that ole patented sleight of hand
you've tried to perfect, but of course there isn't one. You guys
should get together and proof your posts. Write in haste, repent in
leisure I always say.
>
>I'll post their shoddy treatment of that issue on alt.assassination.jfk.
Now, you just do that, cause I'm collecting your collected nuttiness
I just love it every time you post it. I think you're up to five or
six now, aren't you? Let me know, cause I like to be accurate. You
really should stay home, cause you *always* get into trouble when you
venture off your censored turf.
>
>.John
>--=20
oops--there it is again. They're mixing their math homework with
their JFK posts. Get the hook.
Cakehauz
>From: john.m...@marquette.edu (John McAdams)
>Date: 3/25/00 11:01 PM EST
>Message-id: <38DD8B...@mu.edu>
>
>> Marina told Oprah that she *knew* it was Oswald's rifle in the Paine
>> garage that the police were looking for
and further, that she was
>> embarrassed about *not* telling Ruth Paine about that rifle hidden in
>> the garage.
I'd suggest that you read the transcript of Marina's testimony....
When Marina led the police to the garage they asked her , through Ruth Paine,
if her husband owned a rifle....( Marina understood English but did not speak
it well, so she understood the question ).... Marina told Ruth that Lee did in
fact own a rifle but Ruth Paine started to tell the cops that Oswald didn't
own a rifle...Marina stopped her and and corrected her ...by telling the police
that her husband did own a rifle and he kept it in the garage.
Since marina had specifically told Ruth that Lee DID own a rifle she knew
immediately that Ruth was not interpreting her statement truthfully. Marina
later scolded Ruth Paine for he "sudden inability to understand Russian"
Ruth Paine knew "Oswald" owned a rifle because her personal memo calendar for
the month of March 1963 has the notation on it " LHO purchase of
rifle....referring to the date March 20.....
She claimed she made that entry on saturday November 23 after she heard that
info on the radio.....She could NOT have made that entry on satuday nov 23
because the calendar was at the Dallas Police station ...It had been .seized as
evidence on Friday afternoon. 11-22-63.
Was Mike Paine the "A.J. Hidell" who ordered the rifle....and is that how Ruth
Paine knew about it, and enabled her to make the notation on her calendar???
Walt
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>
> Ruth Paine knew "Oswald" owned a rifle because her personal memo calendar
for
> the month of March 1963 has the notation on it " LHO purchase of
> rifle....referring to the date March 20.....
>
> She claimed she made that entry on saturday November 23 after she heard
that
> info on the radio.....She could NOT have made that entry on satuday nov 23
> because the calendar was at the Dallas Police station ...It had been
.seized as
> evidence on Friday afternoon. 11-22-63.
>
>
Is this true?
I don't like to question Walt but I have previously heard all this right up
to the part of the cops having the calendar. That I didn't know. Can
anyone confirm this?
It looks like no small detail.
Thanks for putting it up, Walt.
::Clark::
>
> Walt
Cakehauz
>Date: 3/30/00 7:14 PM EST
>Message-id: <8c0q99$47b8$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>
>
>
>Is this true?
>I don't like to question Walt but I have previously heard all this right up
>to the part of the cops having the calendar. That I didn't know. Can
>anyone confirm this?
>It looks like no small detail.
>
>Thanks for putting it up, Walt.
>
>
>::Clark::
Clark if it wasn't true I would post it as unverified....I'm absolutely certain
that Ruth Paines personal appointment calendar was seized on Friday afternoon
and never returned to her because it was introduced and examined as a WC
exhibit.
I've read the testimonies of several of the cops as well as Marina and Ruth
....I wish I could give you a specific chapter and verse about this ...but
alas.
I hope you won't take my word for it but hunt for confirmation yourself.....
I'm confident there is a record of the calendar being seized on Friday
afternoon....I just can't remember where I read that....I believe it is in the
testimony of one of the cops.... he mentions seeing interesting entries on the
calendar and took it along to police headquarters.
Walt
DAnde9348
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>> Ruth Paine knew "Oswald" owned a rifle because her personal memo calendar
>for
>> the month of March 1963 has the notation on it " LHO purchase of
>> rifle....referring to the date March 20.....
>>
>> She claimed she made that entry on saturday November 23 after she heard
>that
>> info on the radio.....She could NOT have made that entry on satuday nov 23
>> because the calendar was at the Dallas Police station ...It had been
>.seized as
>> evidence on Friday afternoon. 11-22-63.
>>
>>
>
>Is this true?
>I don't like to question Walt but I have previously heard all this right up
>to the part of the cops having the calendar. That I didn't know. Can
>anyone confirm this?
>It looks like no small detail.
>
>Thanks for putting it up, Walt.
>
>
>::Clark::
>
Hello Clark.... A friend sent me a copy of a post I posted a couple of years
ago....
Ruth Paines personal memo calendar was seized on the afternoon of the
assassination and was turned over to the Warren Commission where it was given
exhibit # 401.
CE 401, Is a Hallmark Greetings cards company, personal address book
belonging to Ruth Paine. The Index had about 42 pages with an alphabetical
index for names addresses and telephone numbers of friends and associates.
It also had an appointment calendar for 1963. The calendar had a small
blank space after each date which allowed writing space for a brief note.
This calendar was seized by Detective Richard Sims and taken as evidence on
the afternoon of the assassination. Sims placed his initials (RSS) and the
date
11-22-63 at the upper left hand corner of page 1 of Ruth Paines index and
appointments calendar.
The index was presented as evidence and given Exhibit # 402 during the hearings
so we know it was part of the evidence that was seized on the afternoon of the
assassination. In the calendar section for the month of March 1963 Ruth Paine
placed a star as a reference indicator on the date March 20. At the top of the
page she placed another star and wrote Quote:. " LHO purchase of rifle"
Unquote. Her entry makes it obvious that she not only knew about LHO's
purchasing of a rifle but she was interested enough to write that
information down on her calendar.
When she was asked about the note on the margin of the calendar she said
she put it there on Saturday afternoon (11-23-63 ) when she heard on the
news that Oswald had purchased his rifle on March 20th. Her explanation
was
accepted without comment by Mr. Jenner, the W.C. attorney. This is
absolutely
incredible... Her explanation is totally unbelievable, because.
a)The index was in the Dallas Police Department headquarters on Saturday
afternoon.
B) The FBI never released details about the purchase of the rifle. The news
reports simply said that the gun had been traced back to a Chicago sporting
goods mail order house. So she could not have learned that LHO purchased
a rifle on March 20, from a radio news report.
c) There are no entries on the calendar AFTER november 22....The month of
December is nearly blank......There are no entries because the calendar was in
police custody......
During her testimony Mrs. Paine said that she had phoned the FBI several times
to give them information about Oswald and she gave FBI agent Hosty a rough
draft of a letter that Oswald had written.
Mrs. Paine was NOT the good Samaritan, quiet, friendly, and helpful housewife
that she was portrayed to be.
Walt
joez...@my-deja.com
calendar for
> the month of March 1963 has the notation on it " LHO purchase of
> rifle....referring to the date March 20.....
>
> She claimed she made that entry on saturday November 23 after she
heard that
> info on the radio.....She could NOT have made that entry on satuday
nov 23
> because the calendar was at the Dallas Police station ...It had
been .seized as
> evidence on Friday afternoon. 11-22-63.
1. What's your evidence that the calendar was taken then, Walt?
2. What's your evidence that Ruth made the notation on 11/23/63?
>
> Was Mike Paine the "A.J. Hidell" who ordered the rifle....and is that
how Ruth
> Paine knew about it, and enabled her to make the notation on her
calendar???
>
> Walt
>
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DAnde9348
>Date: 3/31/00 10:06 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <c8q9escoe2hus4m4l...@4ax.com>
>>I hope you won't take my word for it but hunt for confirmation yourself...
>
>Finally, some common sense from Walt Cakebread.
>
Dear Asshole.... I have always urged readers to check me out.....It's the only
way they can know the facts....
Walt
Cakehauz
>Date: 3/31/00 4:54 PM EST
>Message-id: <8c36qt$mft$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>
>1. What's your evidence that the calendar was taken then, Walt?
>2. What's your evidence that Ruth made the notation on 11/23/63?
Answer to Q 1..... There is testimony in the records that the calendar was
confiscated and Dectective Richard Stovall Initialed and dated the evidence at
the time it was confiscated ( This is a normal police procedure which enables
an officer to identify the evidence when it is presented in court) Stovall's
initials and the date 11-22-63 are clearly visible in the photo of it in Volume
XVII.
Answer to Q2.... In the transcript of Ruth Paines testimony before the Warren
Commission she states that she made the " LHO purchase of rifle" entry on
Saturday 11-23-63 after she heard the on the radio that A.J. Hidell had
putchased the rifle from Klien's Sporting Goods on March 20,1963.
testimony
Nonsense.... the only info being relesed to the public during the first few
days after the murder of the president, was that the rifle had been ordered
from a mail order house in Chicago.....
Walt
Llliibb
Let me add that abbreviation "LHO" seems a tad odd of itself to be used by a
close acquaintance on the 23rd. Rifle was actually shipped on March 20, not
public data. But a murder conspiracy with casual note on the calendar?
Bill B
Cakehauz
>Date: 4/1/00 8:24 AM EST
>Message-id: <20000401082411...@ng-co1.aol.com>
>
>Walt--
>
>Let me add that abbreviation "LHO" seems a tad odd of itself to be used by a
>close acquaintance on the 23rd. Rifle was actually shipped on March 20, not
>public data. But a murder conspiracy with casual note on the calendar?
>
>Bill B
>
Hello Bill, I doubt that there was a "murder plot" afoot at the time that Mike
Paine ordered the rifle using the A.J. Hidell alias.
I believe the rifle was nothing more than part of the scheme to make it appear
that Oswald was a rabid Castro supporter. They never intended to kill General
Walker they were just trying to make it appear that they were friends of Castro
and had tried to eliminate one of Castro's most vocal foes. Ruth Paine knew
about that plot and made the entry on her calendar to use to support her
contention that Marina had told her of Oswald's rifle purchase.... To add
credibility she also made a note on the corner of the March page that referred
to Marina's date for giving birth to the expected baby. Her note gave the date
of Oct 20 which was very close to Rachel's actual birth date.
Walt
Llliibb
I am just never going to be conspiratorial enough for you. But the oddities
here remain. Granting rifle ordered by Mike--I _don't_--why the preference to
record the shipping date as opposed to the purchase date or that one which
rifle was received? wouldn't either of the others have been more credible?
Yet, it would appear date was not chosen out of thin air. And why a Carcano
when, in your scenario, money would not be a problem?
Cakehauz
>Message-id: <20000402013925...@ng-fq1.aol.com>
>
>Walt--
>
>I am just never going to be conspiratorial enough for you.
It's not a matter of being conspiritorial....ie attempting to tie all of the
evidence into a conspiracy to murder JFK....
The Walker incident had no direct connection to the murder of JFK....However
there are persons and objects with links to both events.
The rifle purchase, the backyard photo, the article sent to the Militant, the
shot at Walker, the note left for Marina, the Fair Play for Cuba handbills, the
radio "debate" between Oswald and Briniguier which was heard in Cuba... .were
all intended to be used as evidence that Oswald was a commie and an avid Castro
supporter.
They had no direct connection to the murder of President Kennedy.
But the oddities
>here remain. Granting rifle ordered by Mike--I _don't_--why the preference
>to
>record the shipping date as opposed to the purchase date or that one which
>rifle was received?
Do you suppose Ruth offered to drive Marina to the P.O. to pick up the mail the
day the rifle arrived?? Could that be where she got the shipping date??
wouldn't either of the others have been more credible?
>Yet, it would appear date was not chosen out of thin air.
Right....it was not chosen out of thin air...Ruth used that date because she
knew it had been shipped on that date....AND she entered it on her calendar in
March of 63.
And why a Carcano
Because it was cheap and unusal ....which made it very easy to identify as the
type of rifle in Oswald's hands in the back yard photo ( CE 133A ). I suspect
that the rifle was actually discarded, and poorly concealed, near Gen. Walkers
home. If the cops had found it ...it would have been very easy to identify as
the rifle in LHO's hands in the BY photo. ( CE 133A)
>when, in your scenario, money would not be a problem?
It wasn't a matter of money ...they wanted an UNUSUAL rifle for easy
identification....
They were trying to fool Castro, so that he would accept Oswald as a loyal
supporter.
Castro has did not seize control of Cuba and retain control for all these years
by being a fool....
>
>Bill B
Walt
Llliibb
>>Walt--
>>
>>I am just never going to be conspiratorial enough for you.
>
>It's not a matter of being conspiritorial....ie attempting to tie all of the
>evidence into a conspiracy to murder JFK....
>
>The Walker incident had no direct connection to the murder of JFK....However
>there are persons and objects with links to both events.
>
DeMohrenschildts--and, apparently, at least one other person. \\\
>The rifle purchase, the backyard photo, the article sent to the Militant, the
>shot at Walker, the note left for Marina, the Fair Play for Cuba handbills,
>the
>radio "debate" between Oswald and Briniguier which was heard in Cuba... .were
>all intended to be used as evidence that Oswald was a commie and an avid
>Castro
>supporter.
\\\ Cubans not yet jamming US signals? Subject matter of FPCC would certainly
have been of interest to Havana, had they been able to learn of broadcast in
time. Actually, Soviets would have a more than passing interest themselves.
Idle thought: as FBI ran a mail intercept program and was so known to Soviet
embassy, Oswald's application for a visa back to USSR would have been known at
some level in Bureau. I would have thought that this would make him a person
of interest, but the information seems to have been unknown to New Orleans FBI
and Dallas. \\\
>They had no direct connection to the murder of President Kennedy.
>
> But the oddities
>>here remain. Granting rifle ordered by Mike--I _don't_--why the preference
>>to
>>record the shipping date as opposed to the purchase date or that one which
>>rifle was received?
>Do you suppose Ruth offered to drive Marina to the P.O. to pick up the mail
>the
>day the rifle arrived?? Could that be where she got the shipping date??
>
> wouldn't either of the others have been more credible?
>>Yet, it would appear date was not chosen out of thin air.
>
>Right....it was not chosen out of thin air...Ruth used that date because she
>knew it had been shipped on that date....AND she entered it on her calendar
>in
>March of 63.
>
\\\ Miserable copy of the shipping order in secondary is virtually unreadable.
Copy is said to be from Waldman Exhibit 7. With strong magifying glass and
natrual light, this _appears_ to confirm a shipping date of March 20. I would
expect, under your scenario, that the recorded date would be when rifle arrived
at local post office or when picked up there.
Which, of course, does not answer where March 20 date came from. \\\
> And why a Carcano
>
>Because it was cheap and unusal ....which made it very easy to identify as
>the
>type of rifle in Oswald's hands in the back yard photo ( CE 133A ). I
>suspect
>that the rifle was actually discarded, and poorly concealed, near Gen.
>Walkers
>home. If the cops had found it ...it would have been very easy to identify
>as
>the rifle in LHO's hands in the BY photo. ( CE 133A)
>
>>when, in your scenario, money would not be a problem?
>
>It wasn't a matter of money ...they wanted an UNUSUAL rifle for easy
>identification....
>
\\\ Whether factual or not in the end, that is a good thought. Carcano did
show up distinctly in pictures. Am unaware of any other use of a Carcano in
any other crime, though one would think the publicity and price would cause a
bias among the deranged. That the bullet recovered from Walker house was too
mangled to properly ID by Dallas police would be happenstance. (It's on NARA
page.)
Given the number of decades, we must assume that any other unsolved
shootings with a rifle in this period would have been brought to light. \\\
>They were trying to fool Castro, so that he would accept Oswald as a loyal
>supporter.
>
\\\ CPUSA publications would be careful not to advocate violent methods. SWP
may well have been less fastidious at times. I doubt that intel community as
such would expect Castro to be bite on something like this. Of course, Dallas
and New Orleans both were not wanting in those who thought principal difference
between Kennedy and Castro was the beard.
Bill B \\\
DAnde9348
>Message-id: <20000403113750...@ng-cq1.aol.com>
>I doubt that intel community as
>such would expect Castro to be bite on something like this.
I agree.... the whole scheme smells of the work of amateur James Bonds....
The Back Yard photo ( Ce 133A) is obviously staged by an amateur .....It is
actually laughable that someone ( Oswald and Co.) would attempt to use that
photo to convince Castro that Oswald was a Communist and supporter of Castro.
>Of course, Dallas
>and New Orleans both were not wanting in those who thought principal
>difference
>between Kennedy and Castro was the beard.
Yes, that's true and some of those nuts fancied themselves as superpatriots and
military geniuses.....
Walt
Llliibb
>>I doubt that intel community as
>>such would expect Castro to be bite on something like this.
>
>I agree.... the whole scheme smells of the work of amateur James Bonds....
>The Back Yard photo ( Ce 133A) is obviously staged by an amateur .....It is
>actually laughable that someone ( Oswald and Co.) would attempt to use that
>photo to convince Castro that Oswald was a Communist and supporter of
>Castro.
>
see this? Hold MILITANT for SWP letter. WORKER for letter elsewhere--CPUSA?
My own guess is that the picture/s went out elsewhere, too.
Marina's claim of yet another pose in the family album (destroyed) is accepted,
right? Why would Oswald try to deny picture/s when he knew they were there to
be had by authorites?
And his forged draft card & etc... Pictures in FDE show fakes so clumsy as to
be worthless. But there in his wallet, yet. With address of Soviet embassy
written on a slip of paper. And a card for a Japanese night club.
For a novel (and in fact), such a combination would not have been carried by
anyone else in DFW. Not on the planet, for that matter. But why...? For that
matter, would Oswald seriously expect his jaunt to Mexico not to be noticed?
This is a peculiar business on so many levels.
Bill B
Tony Pitman
The PO people were unable to find such and no one recalled it being
picked up by any person.
Did Ruth Paine actually know the Oswalds that early in the piece? They
had not long known the DeM's either.
Tony
>may well have been less fastidious at times. I doubt that intel community as
>such would expect Castro to be bite on something like this. Of course, Dallas
>and New Orleans both were not wanting in those who thought principal difference
>between Kennedy and Castro was the beard.
>
PapaKochenbrot
>Date: 4/12/00 9:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <38f2e2b1...@news.southern.co.nz>
>Did Ruth Paine actually know the Oswalds that early in the piece?
The Paines ( Ruth and Mike ) met Lee and Marina at a party in February of 1963.
I don't believe it was just a "chance" meeting.... I suspect The Paines were
there specifically to make contact with the Oswald's ( probably assigned to
surveillance by J Edna Hoover)
walt