Mafia Chronology Vanishes Again - Repost
Martin Shackelford
I assume the post remains available on Deja News. It may still
come up on the newsgroup, too, if someone hasn't set it to show only
"Unread" messages.
Martin
--
Martin Shackelford
"You're going to find that many of the truths we
cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."
-Obi-Wan Kenobi
"You must unlearn what you have learned." --Yoda
Howpl
remain - under "Re: To Shackleford on Mob." Is there an innocent,
computer-related explanation for this? The chronology contained herein was the
product of much work and I apologize for having to repost, but it is,
literally, here one day, gone the next.
Howpl wrote:
>
> That the Mob played a role in the assassination is rejected out of hand by
many
> conspiracists, some of whom point out the undeniable, i.e., that the Mob
could
> not engineer the cover-up. However, the Mafia had associates in official
> circles that could.
>
> The following chronology almost certainly includes events not related to the
> assassination, but I don't know which are and which aren't. As a body of
> evidence, I think the chronology is highly suggestive. Bear in mind, please,
> that it is not sufficient to net a few red herrings. The question that
occupies
> us can only be answered by weighing the totality of the remaining evidence.
> (This is a crucial point that the prosecution and judge in OJ's criminal
trial
> allowed Barry Scheck to ignore; they simply allowed him to shred the concept
of
> "reasonable doubt." In this case, "beyond a reasonable doubt" is clearly an
> overly stringent standard of proof. "Preponderance of the evidence," the
> standard used in the civil trial, seems better suited to a 36-year old
> mystery.)
>
> In the following, I won't even introduce the rich subject of Ruby's telephone
> calls - see Twyman for a detailed chronicle -- or speculations about Oswald's
> Dutz uncle, or anyone's links to Ferrie. And, except for a sideways glance,
we
> will also leave James Files for another time.
>
> So, here goes:
>
> - When the Mob lost its Cuban casinos, its interests became aligned with
those
> of the anti-Castro Cubans.
>
> - Like the exiles, the Mob felt betrayed by the Kennedys: after fixing the
1960
> election for JFK (in Illinois and Texas), the President let Bobby go after
"the
> enemy within" mercilously.
>
> - RFK's idea of an immigration policy was to kidnap Mafia chief Marcello off
> the streets of New Orleans and drop him into the wilds of Guatemala -- a
> profound humiliation to a man of "honor," i.e., a man used to seeing others
> grovel before him.
>
> - The Mob made a secret pact with the CIA to kill Castro.
>
> - September 1962: Ed Becker quoted Marcello as saying "I got plans." JFK
would
> be killed and a "nut" would take the rap, "the way they do it in Sicily."
> Becker told the HSCA that Marcello seemed serious, and the HSCA later
declared
> Becker a credible witness.
>
> - September 1962: Jose Aleman alleged that Florida Mob boss Trafficante said
> that JFK is "going to be hit." Aleman met with FBI agents Davis and Scranton
> several times over the summer and made it clear he was not guessing: he was
> convinced of the threat.
>
> - September 1962: Ed Partin told RFK aide Walter Sheridan that Jimmy Hoffa
was
> planning to kill him, describing a scenario involving the use of a rifle
aimed
> at a convertible somewhere in the South. (Frank Chavez, Hoffa's chief
henchman,
> has been linked to subsequent plot to kill RFK in NY.)
>
> - February 1963: Trafficante's lawyer, Frank Ragano, said he carried a
request
> from Hoffa to Marcello and Trafficante that JFK be killed.
>
> - April 1963: FBI informant DeLapparra reported that Marcello associate
Bernard
> Tregle told customers in his bar that "There is a price on the President's
> head…Somebody will kill Kennedy when he comes down South." He later added
that
> his information was passed along to Tregle by Carlos Marcello's brother Tony.
>
> - Chicago Mob boss Sam Giancana shared Judith Exner's favors with JFK, but
> this, er., penetration of the White House failed to deter RFK's pursuit of
the
> Mob.
>
> - Emile Bruneau bailed Oswald out of jail after his New Orleans (staged?)
> scrape with the Carlos Bringuier. Bruneau was an associate of Marcello's top
> two henchmen, Pecora and Paretto.
>
> - 11-21-63: Rose Cheramie told Lt. Fruge and Dr. Bowers that assassins hired
by
> the "New Orleans underworld" would shoot JFK in Dallas the following day.
>
> - On the morning of the assassination, Mob-CIA figure John Martino told his
> wife that Kennedy would be killed that day in Dallas. Martino had been jailed
> with Trafficante in Cuba and was active in Cuban exile circles.
>
> - Jack Ruby had dinner the night of 11-21 with Joe Campisi,, the number two
> Mafioso in Dallas; Campisi was the first to visit Ruby in jail after he
killed
> Oswald.
>
> - Ruby met with Larry Meyers at the Cabana that night.
>
> - Shortly after the shots were fired, Eugene Braden was found in the Dal-Tex
> building, was taken into custody, and was then released. As he was operating
> under a changed name, authorities had no reason to suspect a Mob history.
> (Some have argued that Dal-Tex provided a suitable trajectory for the
slightly
> rising shot the HSCA determined went through JFK's back and there is still
some
> controversy over a possible figure in a second floor window).
>
> - Braden also stayed at the Cabana Motel the night of 11-21.
>
> - Shortly after the assassination, San Juan Teamster official Miguel Cruz was
> quoted as saying "We killed Kennedy."
>
> - When he saw Oswald's picture on TV, Gene Sumner called the FBI to report
that
> in April 1963, he saw Joe Poretto, a Marcello lieutenant, pass a wad of bills
> to Oswald or a look-alike in the Town and Country restaurant, managed by Tony
> Marcello and considered his brother's headquarters.
>
> - June 1975: Giancana was murdered; he was slated to testify about the
> CIA-Mafia plot to the Senate Intelligence Committee.
>
> - Las Vegas Mob figure John Roselli told Jack Anderson that his former
> associates killed Kennedy, perhaps with Fidel's help.
>
> - Roselli told this story to the Senate Intelligence Committee later in 1975.
>
> - John Martino told Fred Claasen of his personal knowledge of the conspiracy,
> saying Ruby had to kill Oswald because the police got to the Texas Theatre
> before a contact could get Oswald out (he would have been killed elsewhere).
>
> - Shortly before his death in 1975, Martino told a Newsday reporter John
> Cummings of his supporting role in the assassination. Cummings: "I believe
> Martino. It came across, just before he died, like a confessional."
>
> - Hoffa permanently vanished in July 1975.
>
> - 4-23-76: Roselli made a secret appearance before the Senate Committee at
the
> Carroll Arms Hotel in DC. He said that Oswald was a patsy, that the kill
shot
> was fired from the knoll by a Cuban hired by Trafficante, and that the Mob
had
> Ruby kill Oswald.
>
> - July 1976: Roselli disappeared and was found 10 days later in the river,
cut
> into pieces and stuffed in an oil drum.
>
> - According to NY Times reporter Nicholas Gage, two reliable sources
confirmed
> that Roselli was killed because of his testimony.
>
> - After Roselli's death, an FBI wiretap caught Trafficante saying: "Now only
> two people are alive who know who killed Kennedy. And they aren't talking."
>
> - 1977: Trafficante took the 5th when asked by the HSCA whether he had
> knowledge of JFK's murder in advance; in a later public session, he denied
any
> such knowledge.
>
> - 3-29-77: Chuck Nicoletti, a Giancana assassin (placed by James Files as a
> shooter in the Dal-Tex building), was murdered before he could testify to the
> HSCA (point of interest: George DeMohrenschildt killed himself, or was
killed,
> the same day).
>
> - 1980: FBI informant Joseph Hauser quoted Carlos Marcello's brother Joseph
as
> saying about Ted Kennedy's plans for a presidential run: "Don't worry, we
took
> care of them, didn't we?"
>
> - Hauser said Carlos casually confirmed to him that he knew Oswald.
>
> - 3-3-89: FBI teletype notes Marcello's growing senility but reports his
> statement "that he had just driven directly back from New York to New Orleans
> after a meeting with Tony Provenzano and were going to get Kennedy in
Dallas."
>
>
> - Aleman told the HSCA that he feared for his life. Described by surviving
> family members as "consumed by fear," he would eventually go on a killing
spree
> of his own, which ended in suicide.
>
> - 1992: Ragano reported a 1987 deathbed confession by Trafficante.
>
> - In Double Cross, Chuck Giancana said his brother Sam admitted his role in
> the killing.
>
> - 1994: John Martino's widow, Florence, was quoted by Anthony Summers as
> telling her on the morning of 11-22-63: "Flo, they're going to kill him.
> They're going to kill him when he gets to Dallas."
>
> -Howard
Excellant post Howard. Its facts like these that made me wonder what if
any pupose and interests, the recent ARRB served. I have not seen a
single shred of proof that they did anything beyond play with the papers
like children in a candy store.
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>Once again, this post vanished from the message lists, although the responses
>remain
This may or may not be the answer to the seeming disappearance of your posts:
I notice that your ISP is America Online. If you post a Usenet Newsgroup
message, you can't see it until the next time you log on to the newsgroup.
If (the next day, for example) you log into the group and see your message, and
you READ it, AOL automatically marks it "read". Even though the message is
still on the group, YOU cannot see it because it is marked "read" --- but
everybody else can still see it. I will frequently "save" a post (or an entire
thread) by clicking on "Mark Unread". I have never seen one of my posts totally
disappear.
charles wallace
ho...@aol.com (Howpl) Re: To Shackleford on Mob
Date: Wed, Jul 14, 1999, 12:01am (CDT+5) From: ho...@aol.com (Howpl) Re:
To Shackleford on Mob
Date: Mon, 12 July 1999 08:44 PM EDT
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Howard,
Thanks for your post. I'm coming around to the belief that the Mob
killed JFK, and the medical and legal cover-up was separate and not
connected to the Mob. It's not quite a case of the Mob got lucky in that
people in government helped them to frame the "patsy". The Mob
participated in its own separate cover-up by killing a number of people.
I, of course, have just briefly stated a theory that would take quite a
bit to fully lay out.
Regards, Charles C. Wallace
http://community.webtv.net/ccwallace/JFKAssassination
" If you don't see it, so be it." CCW 6/16/99
Dave Reitzes
>
[snip]
Why not the Warren Commission exhibits or HSCA report?
-- or speculations about
>Oswald's
>> Dutz uncle,
A wise decision.
>or anyone's links to Ferrie.
Ditto.
>And, except for a sideways
>glance,
>we
>> will also leave James Files for another time.
Damn. I really wanted to hear all about Frank Sturgis being in Dealey Plaza,
David Atlee Phillips being Files' "handler," and Jack Ruby handing out fake
Secret Service IDs and info on the "changed" motorcade route.
>>
>> So, here goes:
>>
>> - When the Mob lost its Cuban casinos, its interests became aligned with
>those
>> of the anti-Castro Cubans.
>>
>> - Like the exiles, the Mob felt betrayed by the Kennedys: after fixing the
>1960
>> election for JFK (in Illinois and Texas), the President let Bobby go after
>"the
>> enemy within" mercilously.
Motive is not a very convincing form of evidence. In fact, it's no evidence at
all.
>> - RFK's idea of an immigration policy was to kidnap Mafia chief Marcello
>off
>> the streets of New Orleans and drop him into the wilds of Guatemala -- a
>> profound humiliation to a man of "honor," i.e., a man used to seeing
>others
>> grovel before him.
Being sentenced to life in prison for conspiracy to assassinate the President
of the United States might have proved even more humiliating.
>> - The Mob made a secret pact with the CIA to kill Castro.
Or at least went through the motions.
>> - September 1962: Ed Becker quoted Marcello as saying "I got plans." JFK
>would
>> be killed and a "nut" would take the rap, "the way they do it in Sicily."
It might lend some slight corroboration to Becker's story if you could post
some examples of "lone nuts" being framed for Mob hits in Sicily.
>> Becker told the HSCA that Marcello seemed serious, and the HSCA later
>declared
>> Becker a credible witness.
Did the HSCA explain why it took 14 months for Marcello's plans to be realized?
Let's see . . . Oswald arrived in New Orleans in May 1963 . . . there were no
plans for a Dallas trip until several months later . . . what on Earth were
these mobsters waiting for, anyhow?
>> - September 1962: Jose Aleman alleged that Florida Mob boss Trafficante
>said
>> that JFK is "going to be hit." Aleman met with FBI agents Davis and
>Scranton
>> several times over the summer and made it clear he was not guessing: he was
>> convinced of the threat.
And yet it would be another 14 months before anything happened. Who knew
mobsters were so patient?
>> - September 1962: Ed Partin told RFK aide Walter Sheridan that Jimmy Hoffa
>was
>> planning to kill him, describing a scenario involving the use of a rifle
>aimed
>> at a convertible somewhere in the South. (Frank Chavez, Hoffa's chief
>henchman,
>> has been linked to subsequent plot to kill RFK in NY.)
So 14 months later . . .
Gee, by that time, even David Ferrie had long since gotten over his infamous
"hatred" of JFK . . .
>> - February 1963: Trafficante's lawyer, Frank Ragano, said he carried a
>request
>> from Hoffa to Marcello and Trafficante that JFK be killed.
So the mobsters spent some six months agonizing over the decision of whether to
snuff El Presidente, eh?
>> - April 1963: FBI informant DeLapparra reported that Marcello associate
>Bernard
>> Tregle told customers in his bar that "There is a price on the President's
>> head…Somebody will kill Kennedy when he comes down South." He later added
>that
>> his information was passed along to Tregle by Carlos Marcello's brother
>Tony.
Funny . . . numerous friends of John F. Kennedy told him much the same thing --
and only days before his tragic death. Perhaps we should be consulting William
Manchester's book for suspects.
>> - Chicago Mob boss Sam Giancana shared Judith Exner's favors with JFK, but
>> this, er., penetration of the White House failed to deter RFK's pursuit of
>the
>> Mob.
Irrelevant data.
>> - Emile Bruneau bailed Oswald out of jail after his New Orleans (staged?)
>> scrape with the Carlos Bringuier. Bruneau was an associate of Marcello's
>top
>> two henchmen, Pecora and Paretto.
That makes Oswald three times removed from Marcello, and makes this data
irrelevant.
>> - 11-21-63: Rose Cheramie told Lt. Fruge and Dr. Bowers that assassins
>hired
>by
>> the "New Orleans underworld" would shoot JFK in Dallas the following day.
Citations, please.
>> - On the morning of the assassination, Mob-CIA figure John Martino told his
>> wife that Kennedy would be killed that day in Dallas. Martino had been
>jailed
>> with Trafficante in Cuba and was active in Cuban exile circles.
Citation, please.
>> - Jack Ruby had dinner the night of 11-21 with Joe Campisi,, the number two
>> Mafioso in Dallas; Campisi was the first to visit Ruby in jail after he
>killed
>> Oswald.
You have not linked Jack Ruby to a plot to assassinate John F. Kennedy. How,
then, is this information relevant?
>> - Ruby met with Larry Meyers at the Cabana that night.
So?
>> - Shortly after the shots were fired, Eugene Braden
That is not his name.
was found in the
>Dal-Tex
>> building, was taken into custody, and was then released. As he was
>operating
>> under a changed name, authorities had no reason to suspect a Mob history.
>> (Some have argued that Dal-Tex provided a suitable trajectory for the
>slightly
>> rising shot the HSCA determined went through JFK's back and there is still
>some
>> controversy over a possible figure in a second floor window).
Braden reportedly had been on the third floor. Braden had never demonstrated
the willingness or capacity to murder anyone, nor is he known to have ever
associated with the suspects named thus far.
>> - Braden also stayed at the Cabana Motel the night of 11-21.
So?
>> - Shortly after the assassination, San Juan Teamster official Miguel Cruz
>was
>> quoted as saying "We killed Kennedy."
Citation, please. Who is "we"? Is this a direct quotation? What was the context
of this remark?
>> - When he saw Oswald's picture on TV, Gene Sumner called the FBI to report
>that
>> in April 1963, he saw Joe Poretto, a Marcello lieutenant, pass a wad of
>bills
>> to Oswald or a look-alike in the Town and Country restaurant, managed by
>Tony
>> Marcello and considered his brother's headquarters.
Oswald was in Dallas until April 24, 1963.
Why do you consider this Oswald "sighting" more credible than others? If Oswald
had been to the Town and Country, shouldn't there be numerous witnesses to
corroborate the story?
>> - June 1975: Giancana was murdered; he was slated to testify about the
>> CIA-Mafia plot to the Senate Intelligence Committee.
Irrelevant data.
>> - Las Vegas Mob figure John Roselli told Jack Anderson that his former
>> associates killed Kennedy, perhaps with Fidel's help.
Do you believe the Mob killed Kennedy with "Fidel's help," Howard?
>> - Roselli told this story to the Senate Intelligence Committee later in
>1975.
>>
>> - John Martino told Fred Claasen of his personal knowledge of the
>conspiracy,
>> saying Ruby had to kill Oswald because the police got to the Texas Theatre
>> before a contact could get Oswald out (he would have been killed
>elsewhere).
Why would this contact be waiting at the theater? It is reasonably clear that
Oswald was not headed towards the Texas Theatre until after he killed Tippit
and fled the scene of that crime.
>> - Shortly before his death in 1975, Martino told a Newsday reporter John
>> Cummings of his supporting role in the assassination. Cummings: "I believe
>> Martino. It came across, just before he died, like a confessional."
What was Martino's source for this information? What did you mean by "personal
knowledge"?
>> - Hoffa permanently vanished in July 1975.
So?
>> - 4-23-76: Roselli made a secret appearance before the Senate Committee at
>the
>> Carroll Arms Hotel in DC. He said that Oswald was a patsy, that the kill
>shot
>> was fired from the knoll by a Cuban hired by Trafficante, and that the Mob
>had
>> Ruby kill Oswald.
How does this fit in with your Files theory? What evidence do you cite in
support of a knoll shooter?
>> - July 1976: Roselli disappeared and was found 10 days later in the river,
>cut
>> into pieces and stuffed in an oil drum.
Again, mobsters are amazingly patient folks.
>> - According to NY Times reporter Nicholas Gage, two reliable sources
>confirmed
>> that Roselli was killed because of his testimony.
Which aspects of his testimony? Why did these conspirators wait three months?
>> - After Roselli's death, an FBI wiretap caught Trafficante saying: "Now
>only
>> two people are alive who know who killed Kennedy. And they aren't
>talking."
Citation, please.
Would one of these people be the Cuban who allegedly shot from the grassy
knoll?
>> - 1977: Trafficante took the 5th when asked by the HSCA whether he had
>> knowledge of JFK's murder in advance; in a later public session, he denied
>any
>> such knowledge.
As I recall, Trafficante took the Fifth on practically every question he was
asked. Or was it every question?
>> - 3-29-77: Chuck Nicoletti, a Giancana assassin (placed by James Files as a
>> shooter in the Dal-Tex building),
Nicoletti AND Braden were in the Dal-Tex?
was murdered before he could testify to
>the
>> HSCA (point of interest: George DeMohrenschildt killed himself, or was
>killed,
>> the same day).
Killed himself -- unless you can refute the official report, which is
unequivocal.
Otherwise, this is irrelevant data.
>> - 1980: FBI informant Joseph Hauser quoted Carlos Marcello's brother Joseph
>as
>> saying about Ted Kennedy's plans for a presidential run: "Don't worry, we
>took
>> care of them, didn't we?"
>>
>> - Hauser said Carlos casually confirmed to him that he knew Oswald.
And you believe that?
>> - 3-3-89: FBI teletype notes Marcello's growing senility but reports his
>> statement "that he had just driven directly back from New York to New
>Orleans
>> after a meeting with Tony Provenzano and were going to get Kennedy in
>Dallas."
Which mobsters WEREN'T involved in this assassination plot, Howard?
>> - Aleman told the HSCA that he feared for his life. Described by surviving
>> family members as "consumed by fear," he would eventually go on a killing
>spree
>> of his own, which ended in suicide.
Sounds like a reliable informant to me. \:^)
>> - 1992: Ragano reported a 1987 deathbed confession by Trafficante.
Did he mention anything about a Cuban on the grassy knoll?
>> - In Double Cross, Chuck Giancana said his brother Sam admitted his role
>in
>> the killing.
You're seriously citing *Double Cross*?
>> - 1994: John Martino's widow, Florence, was quoted by Anthony Summers as
>> telling her on the morning of 11-22-63: "Flo, they're going to kill him.
>> They're going to kill him when he gets to Dallas."
>>
>> -Howard
So, once again, I ask you, why do you find these people more credible than
others who've made similar claims? That would include Madeleine Brown, Billie
Sol Estes, Richard Case Nagell, and dozens of people known to the Secret
Service prior to the motorcade.
Dave
Belwood
The primary difference between any of the people you list and any of the
people listed in Howard's post is the body of evidence (albeit redacted)
that exists at the Archives. There is one, and perhaps only one fact
that I would agree with you on... Nobody will ever find a provable
connection between the mob and the assasination of JFK. But I don't
think we would share the same methodolgy in arriving at that conclusion.
BE
Leo Sgouros
charles wallace <ccwa...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Group: alt.conspiracy.jfk Date: Wed, Jul 14, 1999, 12:01am (CDT+5) From:
> ho...@aol.com (Howpl) Re: To Shackleford on Mob
> Date: Wed, Jul 14, 1999, 12:01am (CDT+5) From: ho...@aol.com (Howpl) Re:
> To Shackleford on Mob
> Date: Mon, 12 July 1999 08:44 PM EDT
> Forwarded:
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>
>
> Howard,
> Thanks for your post. I'm coming around to the belief that the Mob
> killed JFK, and the medical and legal cover-up was separate and not
> connected to the Mob. It's not quite a case of the Mob got lucky in that
> people in government helped them to frame the "patsy". The Mob
> participated in its own separate cover-up by killing a number of people.
> I, of course, have just briefly stated a theory that would take quite a
> bit to fully lay out.
> Regards, Charles C. Wallace
>
>
> http://community.webtv.net/ccwallace/JFKAssassination
> " If you don't see it, so be it." CCW 6/16/99
>
Tell me something.
If the mob did it, why are all these mobsters coming out now and claiming
responsibility?
Their conscience bothering them?
AnthonyMarsh
>
> charles wallace <ccwa...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:27975-378...@newsd-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> > Group: alt.conspiracy.jfk Date: Wed, Jul 14, 1999, 12:01am (CDT+5) From:
> > ho...@aol.com (Howpl) Re: To Shackleford on Mob
> > Date: Wed, Jul 14, 1999, 12:01am (CDT+5) From: ho...@aol.com (Howpl) Re:
> > To Shackleford on Mob
> > Date: Mon, 12 July 1999 08:44 PM EDT
> > Forwarded:
> > Message-id: <17666-37...@newsd-131.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
> >
> >
> > Howard,
> > Thanks for your post. I'm coming around to the belief that the Mob
> > killed JFK, and the medical and legal cover-up was separate and not
> > connected to the Mob. It's not quite a case of the Mob got lucky in that
> > people in government helped them to frame the "patsy". The Mob
> > participated in its own separate cover-up by killing a number of people.
> > I, of course, have just briefly stated a theory that would take quite a
> > bit to fully lay out.
> > Regards, Charles C. Wallace
> >
> >
> > http://community.webtv.net/ccwallace/JFKAssassination
> > " If you don't see it, so be it." CCW 6/16/99
> >
>
> Tell me something.
> If the mob did it, why are all these mobsters coming out now and claiming
> responsibility?
> Their conscience bothering them?
Their back accounts are bothering them.
--
Anthony Marsh
The Puzzle Palace http://www.boston.quik.com/amarsh
Howpl
>> If the mob did it, why are all these mobsters coming out now and claiming
>> responsibility?
>> Their conscience bothering them?
>
>Their back accounts are bothering them.
>
>--
>Anthony Marsh
Anthony,
I guess your response is meant to be funny. But:
(1) What percentage of books would you say aren't written for the money?
(2) If you haven't noticed, the Mafia ain't what is used to be. The code of
silence is now almost routinely broken, and the Sicilian-American Mafia is has
been reduced to something of a joke (Gotti calling Jr. a dope). Some of these
guys probably do need the money, so they're telling stories. Whether they are
true or not depends on evidence, not the fact that they chose to write a book.
I haven't read Bound By Honor, but naming Rosselli isn't exactly a newsmaker
and is unlikely to be a moneymaker.
(3) Does anyone really make money writing JFK books anymore? If so, have I got
a story for you!
Howard
charles wallace
I suspect that Trafficante, Marcello, and Giancana are the only Mob
bosses that knew all the details of the JFK assassination and were the
leaders who decided to kill based on certain information. The Dealey
Plaza participants , of course, knew a lot also.
The spate of revelations from Mob sources over the years are just
retelling of things heard. Is it the truth? Some of it maybe, we don't
know. It all can't be truthful.
regards, Charles C. Wallace
Leo Sgouros
charles wallace <ccwa...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:28886-37...@newsd-131.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
With all due respect, I think 99% is baloney.
If the mob is so loose that they are admitting a hand in the killing, then
they are loose enough to be prosecuted by Federal Authorities in the know.
What are they waiting for?
Maybe they cant?
But wait, then why can the mob suddenly talk?
_L_
charles wallace
The DOJ is not going to tell us anything, right? They don't talk about
on going investigations. They have had a secret prosecutor since the
fall of 1996. Have you heard anything about the progress of that office?
Also, if there is no investigation, we will not hear anything.
AnthonyMarsh
>
> >> Tell me something.
> >> If the mob did it, why are all these mobsters coming out now and claiming
> >> responsibility?
> >> Their conscience bothering them?
> >
> >Their back accounts are bothering them.
> >
> >--
> >Anthony Marsh
>
> Anthony,
>
> I guess your response is meant to be funny. But:
>
> (1) What percentage of books would you say aren't written for the money?
>
Maybe about 10-20% of books on the market were not written for the
money. Some were non-profit. Some were to help others. Some were
catharctic. Some were religious. Some were purely scientific. Some were
fronted to promote a particular ideology. Etc.
> (2) If you haven't noticed, the Mafia ain't what is used to be. The code of
> silence is now almost routinely broken, and the Sicilian-American Mafia is has
> been reduced to something of a joke (Gotti calling Jr. a dope). Some of these
> guys probably do need the money, so they're telling stories. Whether they are
> true or not depends on evidence, not the fact that they chose to write a book.
> I haven't read Bound By Honor, but naming Rosselli isn't exactly a newsmaker
> and is unlikely to be a moneymaker.
>
Whatever. None of these Mafia tellalls ring true and certainly none
printed to serve the public interest.
> (3) Does anyone really make money writing JFK books anymore? If so, have I got
> a story for you!
>
Some people are making money. Just ask Posner or Russo. Very few
conspiracy books are making a lot of money. Some did.
> Howard