Corroboration that Marcellos ordered the murder
Robert Harris
Cruising the web this evening, I came across a 1992 article from Newsweek,
about Frank Ragano, the well known mafia attorney, which adds more
corroboration to Marcello's confession that he ordered the assassination.
This is from the article,
"Frank Ragano said he personally delivered a message from Teamsters head
Jimmy Hoffa to Mafia bosses Santos Trafficante and Carlos Marcello to
'kill the president.' He claims he thought it was a joke. But 'they didn't
laugh,' said Ragano. 'Their looks scared me.'"
and
"...Trafficante, the Florida boss who died in 1987, once told Cuban exile
leader Jose Aleman that JFK wouldn't be re-elected because 'He's going to
be hit'-a threat known at the time to the FBI. Ragano last week recalled
Marcello's 'cat who ate the canary' look after the killing. He said,
'Jimmy owes me and he owes me big' Ragano told Newfield"
You can read the entire article here,
http://www.newsweek.com/id/116992
Robert Harris
David Von Pein
It's too bad, though, that Bob Harris can't come up with just one tiny
piece of solid EVIDENCE that links Marcello to the person who actually
murdered JFK (Lee Oswald).
Harris, of course, will continue to pretend that there's a "link"
between Marcello, Ferrie, and Oswald. But, of course, there isn't.
David Von Pein
"Remarkably, even sensible, intelligent people, such as HSCA
chief counsel Robert Blakey, who personally believes [Carlos] Marcello
was behind Kennedy's assassination, unthinkingly invoke the buffs' A-B-
C reasoning to support their position.
"On Frontline's 1993 show "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?" Blakey
said, "When you find David Ferrie, who is an investigator for Carlos
Marcello, being a boyhood friend to Lee Harvey Oswald, and with him
that summer, and with Carlos Marcello at that very point in time, you
have an immediate connection between a man [Marcello] who had the
motive, opportunity, and means to kill Kennedy and the man [Oswald]
who killed Kennedy."
"What?!? Although common sense alone should tell conspiracy
theorists that knowing someone or even being friendly with him is no
evidence of a connection to his criminal activity, that you have to
show the two were involved with each other in the same enterprise,
there is another fascinating phenomenon that the conspiracy theorists
must be aware of but seem determined not to acknowledge.
"I'm referring to the curious but undeniable reality that
virtually any two people chosen at random can be connected to each
other by the interposition of a very small number of mutual friends or
acquaintances. ....
"To dilute the connection even further, Ferrie was not an
investigator for Carlos Marcello. He was an investigator for lawyer G.
Wray Gill, and Gill had Ferrie work on an immigration lawsuit against
Marcello in which Gill was representing Marcello.
"Also, there is no credible evidence that Ferrie was ever a
boyhood friend of Oswald's or was with Oswald in the summer of 1963.
But even if these assertions were true, so what? They certainly don't
add up to a conspiracy to commit murder." -- Vincent Bugliosi; Page
981 of "Reclaiming History"
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Exactly, Vince:
www.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/msg/4d410e94608cb1a7
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Robert Harris
<b3f6c5b7-2713-4351...@j39g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
David Von Pein <davev...@aol.com> wrote:
> "Remarkably, even sensible, intelligent people, such as HSCA
> chief counsel Robert Blakey, who personally believes [Carlos] Marcello
> was behind Kennedy's assassination, unthinkingly invoke the buffs' A-B-
> C reasoning to support their position. On Frontline's 1993 show "Who
> Was Lee Harvey Oswald?" Blakey said, "When you find David Ferrie, who
> is an investigator for Carlos Marcello, being a boyhood friend to Lee
> Harvey Oswald, and with him that summer, and with Carlos Marcello at
> that very point in time, you have an immediate connection between a
> man [Marcello] who had the motive, opportunity, and means to kill
> Kennedy and the man [Oswald] who killed Kennedy."
>
> "What?!? Although common sense alone should tell conspiracy
> theorists that knowing someone or even being friendly with him is no
> evidence of a connection to his criminal activity,
That's a silly argument David. Haven't you ever wondered why none of
these "kooks" have tried to blame any of dozens of people who knew
Oswald at CAP or his places of employment, or his neighbors?
No-one is blaming Ferrie, solely because he knew Oswald. That's a rather
stupid argument.
Ferrie worked for Marcello, who admitted ordering the assassination,
David. And he was very specific that Ferrie introduced him to Oswald.
Ferrie had also publicly stated that JFK should be shot.
Furthermore, he lied to the authorities when he claimed that he didn't
know Oswald.
You really should watch my videos on Oswald. He deliberately scammed VT
Lee with the FPCC and staged a phony fistfight in order to provoke a
debate in which he publicly connected the FPCC with Castro.
That's like connecting an organization to Al Qaeda today, David. The
FPCC was permanently closed down by the end of that year.
He then tried to make it appear that he was authorized to receive mail
for the ACLU.
And he then went to Clinton, La with Ferrie, for the obvious purpose
checking out the possibility of poisoning the CORE. That's exactly three
organizations which were at the top of the FBI's poop list.
It was Oswald's bogus, communist legend that gave him the power to
attack lefties by association. And that is the one and only reason they
wanted him to be involved in the attack.
Robert Harris
David Von Pein
>>> "Ferrie worked for Marcello." <<<
No. Ferrie worked for G. Wray Gill, who was a lawyer for Marcello in
'63.
Any chance, Bob, that you'll ever spring that bombshell piece of
evidence on us that indicates that FERRIE and MARCELLO were plotting
the President's murder in the summer of 1963?
Or should we just take a big-mouth mobster's word for it?
You don't believe the confessions of other big-mouths...like Howard
Hunt and Jimmy Files. What makes big-mouth Marcello a cut above the
others?
And: Don't you think you really need to show some proof of Marcello
and Ferrie CONSPIRING TOGETHER to kill Kennedy? Or isn't that type of
proof required in your CT fantasy world?
IOW -- If you took your "MARCELLO AND FERRIE HAD JFK KILLED" theory
into court, do you think you'd have even a slight chance of getting
the jury to buy your story?
Robert Harris
<8d794a06-a058-4263...@k33g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
David Von Pein <davev...@aol.com> wrote:
Duh... Marcello SAID that Ferrie introduced him to Oswald.
You need to educate yourself David, and you will never do that by only
reading the most dishonest book since Case Closed.
Robert Harris
bigdog
Hell, they couldn't even get an indictment, even if these two
principles were alive. It's amazing how the CTs can come up with all
sorts of inane excuses to dismiss a mountain of evidence that Oswald
did it but at the same time will embrace theories with little or no
evidence at all to support them. There is clearly a double standard
presented by the CTs. Any piece of evidence that indicates Oswald was
the shooter must be 100% conclusive by itself or it has no probative
value. On the other hand, conspiracy theories only need to be shown
that they are theoretically possible in order to gain acceptance.
John McAdams
wrote:
Well . . . Bob, if Marcello *said* that, it absolutely has to be true,
right?
These are people you call "scum" and think killed Kennedy, but they
wouldn't possibly lie!
.John
--
The Kennedy Assassination Home Page
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
David Von Pein
"While it is undoubtedly true that if [Carlos] Marcello were engaged
in a plot to murder [John] Kennedy he would never have confided in
[Edward] Becker, if he wasn't, and had no such intent, it wouldn't be
particularly shocking to me that someone like Marcello-- particularly
since he'd have no way of knowing that a little over a year later a real
nut named Lee Harvey Oswald would actually kill the president--might make
a threat to kill Kennedy even to a stranger sitting next to him in a
corner bar.
"[The 82-year-old] Becker told me [during a series of five lengthy
telephone conversations that author Vince Bugliosi had with Edward Becker
between the dates of August 13 and September 26, 1999] that after his
allegation was published for the first time in Ed Reid's 1969 book 'The
Grim Reapers', he continued to associate with mobsters in Las Vegas, none
of whom treated him any differently.
"[Quoting Becker:] "There was no hostility at all," which he felt
confident there would have been if Marcello or the mob had been behind the
assassination. "There were no threats, nothing at all," [Becker told
Bugliosi]." -- Vincent Bugliosi; Page 1170 of "Reclaiming History"
Robert Harris
<9ee755c8-256f-41a5...@x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
David Von Pein <davev...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>> "Ferrie worked for Marcello." <<<
>
> Ferrie worked for G. Wray Gill, who was a lawyer for Marcello in '63.
> You're exhibiting your "six degress of separation" nonsense again, it
> would appear.
David, you seem to have reposted the same message six times. Were you
thinking that if you said it enough, it might come true? Or did you just
forget your meds:-)
Marcello referred to Ferrie as his "pilot" and said he introduced him to
Oswald. Yes, Ferrie also worked for Marcello through Marcello's
attorney, but there was obviously much more to their connection.
There is every reason to believe Marcello, who had no reason at all to
lie about that, David. He said he was going to kill JFK, well before the
assassination and we have solid evidence that the mafia also tried to do
the job in Chicago and Tampa.
His closest associates - Trafficante and Roselli also admitted that they
AND Marcello were involved in the assassination, as confirmed by their
own attornies.
And there are many other corroborations as well.
Did you read the article I posted about the guy who overheard Ferrie at
an airport in Canada, talking about his concern that Oswald may have
told his wife about the assassination?
This guy was a Mennonite David. Yes, they are religious nutcases but
those people would rather eat dogshit than tell a lie.
Rose Cheramie, who clearly had foreknowledge of the assassination,
picked out the photo of Arcacha Smith as one of the men in the car she
was in, the night before the assassination. Smith was a close friend of
Ferrie's and had an office in the building where Ferrie and Banister
worked.
David, the evidence is overwhelming. I knew that Marcello and Ferrie
were involved in the assassination long before Marcello made that
confession.
BTW, David. Why won't you address my question about why Ferrie rushed
out to question Oswald's landlady and neighbors after he was told that
Oswald had his library card?
David, if I said Oswald had YOUR library card, would you be trying to
catch a midnight flight to New Orleans??
Robert Harris
>
> Any chance, Bob, that you'll ever spring that bombshell piece of
> evidence on us that indicates that FERRIE and MARCELLO were plotting
> the President's murder in the summer of 1963?
>
> Or should we just take a big-mouth mobster's word for it?
>
> You don't believe the confessions of other big-mouths...like Howard
> Hunt and Jimmy Files. What makes big-mouth Marcello a cut above the
> others?
>
> And: Don't you think you really need to show some proof of Marcello
> and Ferrie CONSPIRING TOGETHER to kill Kennedy? Or isn't that type of
> proof even required at all in your CT fantasy world?
Robert Harris
john.m...@marquette.edu (John McAdams) wrote:
Of course they could lie. They lied to make money and they lied to the
authorities in order to hide their crimes. But there was no reason for
him to lie about ordering the assassination.
And there is certainly no reason why he would lie, claiming that Ferrie
introduced him to Oswald.
In fact, a couple days later, Marcello warned the informant that he
would be killed if he ever told anyone what he said.
Marcello was the godfather for the southeastern United States, for more
than 30 years. He didn't need to impress anyone.
Robert Harris
avon
> In article
> <8d794a06-a058-4263-a824-e1e908829...@k33g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
> David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > It's too bad, though, that Bob Harris can't come up with just one tiny
> > piece of solid EVIDENCE that links Marcello to the person who actually
> > murdered JFK (Lee Oswald).
>
> > Harris, of course, will continue to pretend that there's a "link"
> > between Marcello, Ferrie, and Oswald. But, of course, there isn't.
>
> Duh... Marcello SAID that Ferrie introduced him to Oswald.
>
> You need to educate yourself David, and you will never do that by only
> reading the most dishonest book since Case Closed.
>
> Robert Harris
didn't marcello also say he was a tomato salesman from Guatemala?
bigdog
> In article <4ac38b14.1030360...@news.supernews.com>,
> john.mcad...@marquette.edu (John McAdams) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 30 Sep 2009 10:44:44 -0400, Robert Harris <reharr...@yahoo.com>
>
> > >> It's too bad, though, that Bob Harris can't come up with just one tiny
> > >> piece of solid EVIDENCE that links Marcello to the person who actually
> > >> murdered JFK (Lee Oswald).
>
> > >> Harris, of course, will continue to pretend that there's a "link"
> > >> between Marcello, Ferrie, and Oswald. But, of course, there isn't.
>
> > >Duh... Marcello SAID that Ferrie introduced him to Oswald.
>
> > >You need to educate yourself David, and you will never do that by only
> > >reading the most dishonest book since Case Closed.
>
> > Well . . . Bob, if Marcello *said* that, it absolutely has to be true,
> > right?
>
> > These are people you call "scum" and think killed Kennedy, but they
> > wouldn't possibly lie!
>
> Of course they could lie. They lied to make money and they lied to the
> authorities in order to hide their crimes. But there was no reason for
> him to lie about ordering the assassination.
>
about ordering the assassination of JFK?
> And there is certainly no reason why he would lie, claiming that Ferrie
> introduced him to Oswald.
>
You mean you can't think of any reason why he would lie.
> In fact, a couple days later, Marcello warned the informant that he
> would be killed if he ever told anyone what he said.
>
So says the informant.
> Marcello was the godfather for the southeastern United States, for more
> than 30 years. He didn't need to impress anyone.
>
So why do you think he would tell a fellow inmate he ordered the
assassination of JFK?
David Von Pein
If Marcello or Ferrie were involved in a plot to kill Kennedy, each of
those men would have made sure they were thousands of miles from Dallas,
and out of the country, before shot #1 was ever fired in Dealey Plaza.
Robert Harris
<1fd659f6-093c-4d52...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
bigdog <jecorb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well, if you are a religious guy, then maybe someday you can ask him:-)
Robert Harris
Robert Harris
<d9b7c4cc-321b-4f31...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
avon <pete...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hehe, well, that's what the FBI told the WC he was.
Robert Harris
Steve Thomas
> In article <4ac38b14.1030360...@news.supernews.com>,
> john.mcad...@marquette.edu (John McAdams) wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 30 Sep 2009 10:44:44 -0400, Robert Harris <reharr...@yahoo.com>
>
> > >> It's too bad, though, that Bob Harris can't come up with just one tiny
> > >> piece of solid EVIDENCE that links Marcello to the person who actually
> > >> murdered JFK (Lee Oswald).
>
> > >> Harris, of course, will continue to pretend that there's a "link"
> > >> between Marcello, Ferrie, and Oswald. But, of course, there isn't.
>
> > >Duh... Marcello SAID that Ferrie introduced him to Oswald.
>
> > >You need to educate yourself David, and you will never do that by only
> > >reading the most dishonest book since Case Closed.
>
> > Well . . . Bob, if Marcello *said* that, it absolutely has to be true,
> > right?
>
> > These are people you call "scum" and think killed Kennedy, but they
> > wouldn't possibly lie!
>
> Of course they could lie. They lied to make money and they lied to the
> authorities in order to hide their crimes. But there was no reason for
> him to lie about ordering the assassination.
Right, because a Mafia Don would not want "got away with assassinating
POTUS" on his resume. They prefer to scare people with hookers, dice, and
weed.
>
> And there is certainly no reason why he would lie, claiming that Ferrie
> introduced him to Oswald.
>
> In fact, a couple days later, Marcello warned the informant that he
> would be killed if he ever told anyone what he said.
>
> Marcello was the godfather for the southeastern United States, for more
> than 30 years. He didn't need to impress anyone.
Then why brag? LOL!
Steve Thomas
LOL, Marcello defends his "job" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gdgwpci-ZI
Rudy Lasparri
<bdccdce0-7a36-4b31...@j4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
David Von Pein <davev...@aol.com> wrote:
Marcello and Ferrie were in court on 11/22/63. Very public -- very
visible.
Robert Harris
<1779735e-141b-47b5...@e8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
David Von Pein <davev...@aol.com> wrote:
> "Remarkably, even sensible, intelligent people, such as HSCA
> chief counsel Robert Blakey, who personally believes [Carlos] Marcello
> was behind Kennedy's assassination, unthinkingly invoke the buffs' A-B-
> C reasoning to support their position.
>
> "On Frontline's 1993 show "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?" Blakey
> said, "When you find David Ferrie, who is an investigator for Carlos
> Marcello, being a boyhood friend to Lee Harvey Oswald, and with him
> that summer, and with Carlos Marcello at that very point in time, you
> have an immediate connection between a man [Marcello] who had the
> motive, opportunity, and means to kill Kennedy and the man [Oswald]
> who killed Kennedy."
>
> "What?!? Although common sense alone should tell conspiracy
> theorists that knowing someone or even being friendly with him is no
> evidence of a connection to his criminal activity
David, your reasoning is once again, faulty.
That would be true if that was the ONLY reason he had to suspect Ferrie.
And we both know, that is light years from being the case.
BTW, regarding Ferrie being sighted in Toronto, talking about his
concerns that Marina knew too much, you do know, don't you, that Ferrie
had made numerous calls to a pseudo priest in Toronto, named Earl Anglin
Lawrence James, well before the assassination?
No, that doesn't "prove" anything - just another one of those amazing
coincidences:-)
Robert Harris
Robert Harris
<038ed8bc-b49e-4266...@d23g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
bigdog <jecorb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 30, 5:37�am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> > >>> "Ferrie worked for Marcello." <<<
> >
> > No. Ferrie worked for G. Wray Gill, who was a lawyer for Marcello in
> > '63.
> >
> > Any chance, Bob, that you'll ever spring that bombshell piece of
> > evidence on us that indicates that FERRIE and MARCELLO were plotting
> > the President's murder in the summer of 1963?
> >
> > Or should we just take a big-mouth mobster's word for it?
> >
> > You don't believe the confessions of other big-mouths...like Howard
> > Hunt and Jimmy Files. What makes big-mouth Marcello a cut above the
> > others?
> >
> > And: Don't you think you really need to show some proof of Marcello
> > and Ferrie CONSPIRING TOGETHER to kill Kennedy? Or isn't that type of
> > proof required in your CT fantasy world?
> >
> > IOW -- If you took your "MARCELLO AND FERRIE HAD JFK KILLED" theory
> > into court, do you think you'd have even a slight chance of getting
> > the jury to buy your story?
>
> Hell, they couldn't even get an indictment, even if these two
> principles were alive.
Really?
Please explain how you discovered that.
Ferrie conveniently dropped dead before he was arraigned and the FBI
(surprise, surprise) hid the documents that contained Marcello's
confession, for more than 10 years.
Robert Harris