MOTORCADE ROUTE
tomnln
According to a WC Exhibit;
Motorcades usually go down Mainj Street.
SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/catch_of_the_day.htm
<HSie...@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 27, 10:46 pm, "Ms.Burb" <burb2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 25, 9:52 pm, HSienz...@aol.com wrote:
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> > On Aug 25, 1:42 pm, "Ms.Burb" <burb2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > According to Don Robereau's post about the Dodi Smith interview - she
> > > claims it was "easy" to get from Main to the Stemmon Fwy. ...
>
> > > So, once and for all, those of you out there in WebLand...
>
> > > Is it or is it not easy to get from Main to Stemmons?
> > > Was the Elm St detour necessary to get to the Stemmons on-ramp?
>
> > > Which is it!
>
> > You already know the answer. Or, if you need help, Google maps has the
> > answer...
>
> > I entered "main street and Houston Street Dallas Texas" as the starting
> > point and "N Stemmons Fwy, Dallas, Dallas, Texas, United States" as the
> > destination.
>
> > The trip is defined thusly:
> > 1. Head east on Main St toward S Record St 0.1 mi
> > 2. Turn left at N Market St 282 ft
> > 3. Turn left at Elm St 0.2 mi
> > 4. Take the ramp onto I-35E N 3.2 mi
> > 5. Take exit 432A toward Southwestern Medical Center/Inwood Rd 0.1
> > mi
> > 6. Merge onto N Stemmons Fwy 0.3 mi
> > 7. Turn left toward N Stemmons Fwy 315 ft
> > 8. Slight left at N Stemmons Fwy 0.4 mi
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> > It does not take you straight down Main. It takes you to the Elm Street
> > ramp. However, if it was possible to get to Stemmons directly from Main,
> > I
> > presume Google would tell you that. Or is Google part of the vast
> > conspiracy apparatus as well?
>
> > Bear in mind that Houston street's traffic has been reversed since 1963.
> > It used to run from Main to the TSBD, now it runs in the opposite
> > direction, so you can't West on Main, turn right onto Houston and turn
> > left onto Elm. Instead, google takes you in the opposite direction to
> > start... East on Main, then a left onto N.Market, and finally another
> > left
> > onto Elm (albeit with the TSBD still ahead of you).
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> > Simple Question time: If one was supposed to take Main and not Elm to
> > get
> > to Stemmons, why was there a 1963 Stemmons Freeway traffic sign on Elm
> > and
> > none on Main?
>
> > You know the one -- "STEMMONS FREEWAY KEEP RIGHT" ...
>
> > Oh yeah, the Dallas Traffic Dept was part of the conspiracy too. I
> > forgot.
>
> Oh boy, yet ANOTHER SNIDE ANSWER to a simple question - I'm shocked (not)!
> Do I have to post a disclaimer before I post a question on this site? - of
> what I've read and what google sites I've gone to??? I HAVE gone to the
> google maps yet because they are of today and not 1963, I was still left
> with the question - could one get to Stemmons EVEN BY SIMPLE CITY WORKER'S
> RECONSTRUCTION OF THE CURBING off of Main and NOT have to take Elm in
> 1963?- Hide quoted text -
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Sometimes snide, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.
Your question concerned whether it was easy to get to Stemmons from Main,
as alleged by Dodi Smith. Google maps establishes it is not possible, and
since Dealey Plaza and its environs haven't changed since 1963, Google
maps establishes it wasn't possible in 1963 either.
Here's a photo that shows the concrete barrier between Main and the
Stemmons freeway ramp (Cited by another poster).
http://216.122.129.112/dc/user_files/11235.jpg
It shows the Elm, Main, and Commerce streets under the triple underpass,
and shows the concrete barrier directly between Main and the President''s
limo, establishing that you were prevented from making that right from
Main (as you'd be cutting across Elm traffic) by the concrete median.
Anthony Marsh misinterprets what the photo is supposed to show.
The normal route was Main to Elm to Stemmons. It was not possible to go
Main to Stemmons without driving over the median. That has been answered.
It was not easy in 1963, it is not easy today, and Dodi Smith is clearly
wrong in stating it was. She was also wrong about the Wanted for Treason
claim. It did not appear in the Dallas paper. Instead, the newspaper
featured an ad stating 'Welcome Mr. Kennedy to Dallas'. The "Wanted for
Treason" Poster was something altogether different.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dallas.txt
Now you're changing the question. Instead of 'was it easy', it is now
'could it be done if workers built a ramp?' (incidentally, this is what
conspiracists do, and have done, for 45 years. Answer their question, they
simply ask another). There was no reason to build the ramp and attempt to
avoid the turn onto Elm. that unless officials thought the TSBD would be
the site of a sniper shooting at the president. If they did, they could
cancel the motorcade altogether, as they did - in Chicago? Miami? I forget
which - a few weeks earlier.
Absent such info about a plot, they had no reason to even think about
re-routing the motorcade to avoid the TSBD.
So, unless you have some secret info concerning the Secret Service knowing
about an assassination attempt in Dealey Plaza in advance, what is the
point of your question?
Sure they could built a ramp. They had no reason to. So they didn't.
Don't forget, JFK came straight down Main and was surrounded by tall
buildings on every block on Main. If the poiint was to avoid going slow,
and to avoid tall buildings, they would not have had a motorcade
whatsoever. So why did they have a motorcade? Because JFK wanted one.
tomnln
Elm to Stemmons Freeway takes you to the Trade Mart.
Main to Industrial Blvd. takes you to the Trade Mart.
http://whokilledjfk.net/catch_of_the_day.htm
Stemmons AND, Industrial Intersect AT the Trade Mart.
<HSie...@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 28, 12:41 am, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> HSienz...@aol.com wrote:
> >> No, Google would not tell you that. It didn't tell you to turn right on
> >> Houston, did it?
>
> > No, it didn't, because as I pointed out, Houston now runs in the
> > opposite
> > direction. You can no longer legally get to Elm from Main via Houston
> > street.
>
> > However, Google still directs you to go to Elm, and that is the bottom
> > line. If you could get to Stemmons Freeway by proceding thru Dealey
> > Plaza
> > down Main Street, Google would direct you to do that.
>
> No, they would not. They do not encourage illegal driving.
>
>
Hi Tony,
Does misinterpreting my point come naturally to you or do you have to work
at it?
I said *IF* you could get from Main to Stemmons, Google would direct you
down Main. They don't. Therefore you can't. Therefore the claim by Dodi
Smith is false. As you yourself explained in another post.
What is your point? That if one wanted to drive over a six inch median and
cut across two lanes of oncoming traffic, one could go from Main to
Stemmons. Well yeah. But that's neither the correct nor the legal way to
do it. The correct way is to get to Elm and drive down Elm past the TSBD.
That is what JFK's motorcade did.
>
> > It doesn't. It therefore exposes the claim by Don Robereau as nonsense.
>
> >> The goal was to go through Dealey Plaza and then onto
> >> Stemmons. The Google route bypasses going into Dealey Plaza from Main.
> >> It is counter to what the motorcade was supposed to do, provide
> >> exposure
> >> to the public.
>
> >>> Bear in mind that Houston street's traffic has been reversed since
> >>> 1963.
> >>> It used to run from Main to the TSBD, now it runs in the opposite
> >>> direction, so you can't West on Main, turn right onto Houston and turn
> >>> left onto Elm. Instead, google takes you in the opposite direction to
> >>> start... East on Main, then a left onto N.Market, and finally another
> >>> left
> >>> onto Elm (albeit with the TSBD still ahead of you).
> >>> Simple Question time: If one was supposed to take Main and not Elm to
> >>> get
> >>> to Stemmons, why was there a 1963 Stemmons Freeway traffic sign on Elm
> >>> and
> >>> none on Main?
> >> That particular Stemmons sign is much bigger because Stemmons is coming
> >> up right away.
>
> >>> You know the one -- "STEMMONS FREEWAY KEEP RIGHT" ...
> >> There was a smaller sign on Main Street.
>
> >> See CE 2967.
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> >>http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/wcexhibits.htmhttp://mcadams.posc.mu....
>
> >> Photograph of traffic sign on Main Street in Dallas, Tex., which
> >> directs
> >> westbound traffic to turn right at Houston Street to gain access to the
> >> Dallas-Fort Worth Turnpike (CD 822).
>
> > Yep. I'm aware of that sign. It was too small to read in the images I
> > found online, so I didn't cite it (yours is likewise too small to read).
> > It likewise proves the point that one was supposed to go to Elm to get
> > to
> > Stemmons, and not proceed to continue East on Main. When I said there
> > was
> > none on Main, I meant within Dealey Plaza. The sign you cite is prior to
> > the Houston Street turn, and directs drivers to turn right onto Houston.
>
> > The bottom line is the proper way to get to Stemmons was to go to Elm,
> > not
> > to continue down Main.
>
> > Robereau's claims to the contrary are false. I think we both agree on
> > that.
>
> >>> Oh yeah, the Dallas Traffic Dept was part of the conspiracy too. I
> >>> forgot.- Hide quoted text -
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Gil Jesus
They could have dug up the median with a backhoe right at the entrance
ramp was and put a temporary asphalt patch in its place. Then closed
off Elm St. entirely.
The motorcade could have proceeded down Main St., taken a right
through the asphalt patch and up the ramp to Stemmons.
Would have cost the city money, but it could have been done.
But they wouldn't go that far for JFK.
David Von Pein
>>> "Simple solution: They could have dug up the median with a backhoe right at the entrance ramp was and put a temporary asphalt patch in its place. Then closed off Elm St. entirely." <<<
Gil thinks that would be the "simple solution", vs. merely following
the existing traffic laws and doing what they did do on 11/22.
Go figure kooks.
Harry
I'm from Dallas and drove that route every day, all day. You don't go
over that median because it's too hign UNLESS you want to destroy the
vehicle you're driving (bent wheels, front-end knocked out of
alignment). Plus, the traffic is too heavy during certain times to to
playing those stupid JUMP THE HUMP games. If the police don't get you,
some irate motorist will.
You CANNOT get to Stemmons Frwy. directly from Main Street coming out
from under the triple underpass heading west Period!
tomnln
"Harry" <harryfr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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ELM ST.
To Stemmons Freeway
To Trade Mart.
MAIN ST.
To Industrial Blvd
To Trade Mart
BOTH "Intersect" at the Trade Mart
Harry
> "Harry" <harryfreeloa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
BOTH don't intersect with Stemmons Frwy. You Dork! That's the point,
not the Trade Mart.
Like I said, you CFers are just as bad as the LNers. You can't follow
instructions nor read and digest information correctly.
Have a miserable day, you phony!!!
Gil Jesus
I suggested that they proceed down Main St under the triple underpass
and cross over onto the on ramp through an opening they would have dug
out of the median. They would have had to close off Elm St entirely so
they could cross it to get to the ramp.
Did they do that on 11/22 ?
Idiot.
David Von Pein
Gil's playing "The Moron Game" (by Milton Bradley) again today, I see.
Lovely.
tomnln
On Aug 29, 11:25 am, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Harry" <harryfreeloa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> news:06824faf-7f02-4b08...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 29, 8:36 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> "Simple solution: They could have dug up the median with a backhoe
> > >>> right at the entrance ramp was and put a temporary asphalt patch in
> > >>> its place. Then closed off Elm St. entirely." <<<
>
> > Gil thinks that would be the "simple solution", vs. merely following
> > the existing traffic laws and doing what they did do on 11/22.
>
> > Go figure kooks.
>
> I'm from Dallas and drove that route every day, all day. You don't go
> over that median because it's too hign UNLESS you want to destroy the
> vehicle you're driving (bent wheels, front-end knocked out of
> alignment). Plus, the traffic is too heavy during certain times to to
> playing those stupid JUMP THE HUMP games. If the police don't get you,
> some irate motorist will.
>
> You CANNOT get to Stemmons Frwy. directly from Main Street coming out
> from under the triple underpass heading west Period!
>
> ELM ST.
> To Stemmons Freeway
> To Trade Mart.
>
> MAIN ST.
> To Industrial Blvd
> To Trade Mart
>
BOTH don't intersect with Stemmons Frwy. You Dork! That's the point,
not the Trade Mart.
Like I said, you CFers are just as bad as the LNers. You can't follow
instructions nor read and digest information correctly.
Have a miserable day, you phony!!!
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I SAID;
BOTH (Stemmons/Industrial) Intersect at the Trade Mart.
(the part you snipped)
The Trade Mart could be accessed by EITHER Route.
SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/catch_of_the_day.htm
ps;
I Always have a GOOD day by Exposing you Liars.
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tomnln
"Gil Jesus" <gjj...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Idiot.
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I SAID;
BOTH (Stemmons/Industrial) Intersect at the Trade Mart.
(the part Harry snipped)
The Trade Mart could be accessed by EITHER Route.
SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/catch_of_the_day.htm
ps;
I Always have a GOOD day by Exposing you Liars Harry.
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Harry
> "Gil Jesus" <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:2f27fd14-3a74-44ad...@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 29, 10:36 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> "Simple solution: They could have dug up the median with a backhoe
> > >>> right at the entrance ramp was and put a temporary asphalt patch in
> > >>> its place. Then closed off Elm St. entirely." <<<
>
> > Gil thinks that would be the "simple solution", vs. merely following
> > the existing traffic laws and doing what they did do on 11/22.
>
> > Go figure kooks.
>
> I suggested that they proceed down Main St under the triple underpass
> and cross over onto the on ramp through an opening they would have dug
> out of the median. They would have had to close off Elm St entirely so
> they could cross it to get to the ramp.
>
> Did they do that on 11/22 ?
>
> Idiot.
>
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> I SAID;
>
> BOTH (Stemmons/Industrial) Intersect at the Trade Mart.
> (the part Harry snipped)
>
> The Trade Mart could be accessed by EITHER Route.
>
> SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/catch_of_the_day.htm
>
> ps;
> I Always have a GOOD day by Exposing you Liars Harry.
The POINT, you idiot, that I made WAS and STILL is, you moronic,
dense, douchbag, is that you cannot ACCESS Stemmons Frwy. from MAIN
Street directly.
OK?? Did get it that time, M-O-R-O-N?????
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!!
HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE??
tomnln
On Aug 29, 12:11 pm, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Gil Jesus" <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:2f27fd14-3a74-44ad...@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 29, 10:36 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> "Simple solution: They could have dug up the median with a backhoe
> > >>> right at the entrance ramp was and put a temporary asphalt patch in
> > >>> its place. Then closed off Elm St. entirely." <<<
>
> > Gil thinks that would be the "simple solution", vs. merely following
> > the existing traffic laws and doing what they did do on 11/22.
>
> > Go figure kooks.
>
> I suggested that they proceed down Main St under the triple underpass
> and cross over onto the on ramp through an opening they would have dug
> out of the median. They would have had to close off Elm St entirely so
> they could cross it to get to the ramp.
>
> Did they do that on 11/22 ?
>
> Idiot.
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> I SAID;
>
> BOTH (Stemmons/Industrial) Intersect at the Trade Mart.
> (the part Harry snipped)
>
> The Trade Mart could be accessed by EITHER Route.
>
> SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/catch_of_the_day.htm
>
> ps;
> I Always have a GOOD day by Exposing you Liars Harry.
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The POINT, you idiot, that I made WAS and STILL is, you moronic,
dense, douchbag, is that you cannot ACCESS Stemmons Frwy. from MAIN
Street directly.
OK?? Did get it that time, M-O-R-O-N?????
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!!
HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE??
My apologies Hank;
I was Distracted by staring at the top of your wife's head.
Speaking of "Stupidity";
The subject was HOW to get to the trade Mart.
Elm to Stemmons takes you to the Trade Mart.
Main to Industrial takes you to the Trade Mart.
Stemmons/Industrial BOTH "Intersect" at the Trade Mart.
SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/catch_of_the_day.htm
(2 top exhibits)
Your efforts to salvage the lies of the WCR are Thwarted AGAIN.
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Gil Jesus
> Gil's playing "The Moron Game" (by Milton Bradley) again today, I see.
> Lovely.
David, just because you don't understand what I was trying to say
doesn't make me a "kook".
I suggest that if you need clarification, you simply ask for it and
I'll explain it in 10-year-old terms.
Perhaps then it won't be so far over your head.
tomnln
DON't BET ON IT! ! !
robcap...@netscape.com
To me the main point is the fact that Chief Curry NEVER showed these
turns to the SS. When he toured them and showed them the route he
stopped when Main St. got to the Plaza. He never said "You folks will
be turning right here onto Houston St. and then turn left onto Elm St.
so why don't we see how this slows the whole motorcade down?"
No, he acted like, and let them assume, the motorcade would stay on
Main St. as you can reach the Trade Mart from that way also.