OH.....THAT SILLY COMMISSION !!!
Gil Jesus
"no doubt....purchased the weapons under the name of Hidell in an
attempt to prevent their ownership from being traced." (WR 315 )
And yet, if that were true, the WC failed to explain why:
1. Oswald elected to order the weapons by mail-order, a method that
made tracing their ownership EASIER than any other method of purchase.
A mail order was insurance that the transaction would be recorded in
written form, preserving his handwriting, specifying his post office
box and virtually GUARANTEEING that the purchases would be traced to
him.
Oswald could have walked into any gun shop in Dallas and purchased
weapons and there would have been no serial number, no handwriting to
be examined, and no post office box to incriminate Oswald.
2. Oswald ordered the weapons to be sent to a post office box
connected to his REAL name, rather than a box connected to "Hidell".
3. Oswald made sure to carry on his person a forged identification
card in the name of Hidell, bearing his own photograph---as if to
eliminate any possible doubt that it was he who ordered the weapons.
All of this from a man who the Commission said was trying to prevent
the ownership of the weapons from being traced.
OH.....THAT SILLY COMMISSION !!!
Walt
I believe that Oswald used the name AJ Hidell as a way of making the
purchase "APPEAR" to be legitmate attempt at hiding his identity.
It was a ruse..... To bolster his credibility.
It's common knowledge that if Oswald had wanted to commit a crime like
attempting to murder General Walker, he could have walked into any
gunshop or hardware store in the Texas, laid down twenty five bucks,
and walked out with a .30 caliber rifle. If he had bought a 30.06
caliber rifle he would have been purchasing a rifle that would have
bee virtually untraceable. And he could purchased ammo in any of
thousands of places. A .30 caliber bullet at a crime scene ( like
Walker's house) would have been very difficult if not impossible to
trace. So if Oswald had intended to kill General Walker and wanted to
evade capture his best bet would have been to buy a .30 caliber rifle
at some busy hardware store.
The fact that he chose to but a 6.5mm Mannlicher Cacano by mail
order, and postal money order, which left an easy to follow paper
trail is a very strong indication that he wanted to be tracked. The
fact that he bought an obscure and unusual caliber rifle is also an
indication that he wanted the investigators to be able to easily
identify the type of gun that had been used to put a hole in General
Walker's window sash. Since the 6.5mm Carcano was a very rare gun in
Texas it wouldn't have taken investigators very long to identify the
bullet and check the the gun shops in Dallas, who would have told
them that the gun was rare and had probably been ordered from a
catalog. They would have gone to the Dallas PO to see who had
received guns by mail in the recent past. It is a fact that Postal
Inspector Harry Holmes, knew about the gun passing through his Post
office so the police would have tracked the source of that gun to
Klein's in short order.
Oswald may have used the name Hidell just to provide a little
credence to obviously deliberately laid trail . If he had used his
true name of Lee Oswald it might have looked just a little to pat to
Castro's agents. But if the news papers reported that Oswald, who had
fled the country, had tried to cover his trail by using the alias
of AJ hidell when he bought the rifle the story might be a little
more believable.
Bud
Gil Jesus wrote:
> The Warren Commission contended that Oswald:
>
> "no doubt....purchased the weapons under the name of Hidell in an
> attempt to prevent their ownership from being traced." (WR 315 )
>
> And yet, if that were true, the WC failed to explain why:
>
>
> 1. Oswald elected to order the weapons by mail-order, a method that
> made tracing their ownership EASIER than any other method of purchase.
How is it easy to trace a rifle purchased under an fake name by
mail order?
Oswald used the rifle in his attempt to kill Walker (the reason he
bought the rifle in the first place). Was it traced to him then?
> A mail order was insurance that the transaction would be recorded in
> written form, preserving his handwriting, specifying his post office
> box and virtually GUARANTEEING that the purchases would be traced to
> him.
A yet even when it is traced to him, idiots still can`t figure
things out.
> Oswald could have walked into any gun shop in Dallas and purchased
> weapons and there would have been no serial number, no handwriting to
> be examined, and no post office box to incriminate Oswald.
Yet even with all these things, kooks still figure out the chain of
events.
All these pieces fell into place after the fact, after Oswald
accomplished all he could. Getting caught, or avoiding being killed
wasn`t at the top of his priorities, only accomplishing his objectives
of political assassination.
> 2. Oswald ordered the weapons to be sent to a post office box
> connected to his REAL name, rather than a box connected to "Hidell".
Have you shown it was possible for him to open a P.O. box in any
name he chose?
> 3. Oswald made sure to carry on his person a forged identification
> card in the name of Hidell, bearing his own photograph---as if to
> eliminate any possible doubt that it was he who ordered the weapons.
The Identification might be useful. It couldn`t stop him from
accomplishing his objectives. Once someone scrutinized him that
closely, the jig was up anyway. You are looking at it as if Oz was
trying to avoid prosecution. Oswald couldn`t count on the authorities
to be idiots like you Gil, they could figure out simple, easy things
like Oswald`s guilt. When Oswald was loose, he was trying to achieve
his goals, and if he could add Walker to his body count, that was just
a bonus. It`s possible Oswald tried using the Hidell ID on Tippit, but
since Oswald could not know whether his name was known to authorities
yet, and Tippit seemed to be going to take a closer look, Oz went to
plan "B" to get past Tippit.
> All of this from a man who the Commission said was trying to prevent
> the ownership of the weapons from being traced.
Was it traced the first time he tried to kill someone with the
rifle, idiot? It was only traced because circumstances demanded he
abandon the rifle in the TSBD.
tims...@gmail.com
Oswald orders weapons under a fake name and has them sent to a PO Box
number, an obvious attempt at subterfuge. Gil trys to turn this around
and make it into an attempt by Oswald to incriminate himself.
If he wanted to do that, Gil, why wouldn't he simply order the weapons
under the name of Lee Harvey Oswald?
Oswald's <snicker> *self incrimination* tactics didn't seem to work
too well when he tried to murder General Walker, Gil. That crime
remained unsolved until months later, when Oswald was dead.
Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
bigdog
The argument assumes Oswald had a reason to cover his tracks at the
time he ordered the weapon. He may or may not have known when he
ordered it that he would try to kill General Walker with it. But since
he attempted that crime and got away without having to leave the
weapon at the scene of the crime, he didn't need to worry about
whether the weapon could be traced back to him. Tracing of the weapon
only became an issue in the assassination of JFK because he had no
choice but to leave the weapon at the scene and at that point, it was
too late to be concerned about covering his tracks. Oswald had no idea
he was going to use the weapon to kill JFK at the time he ordered it.
That was something he decided to do just days before the event when he
learned JFK would be passing right next to the building he worked at.
It was a crime of opportunity. Oswald ordered the rifle by mail
because it was cheap. It was from a batch of war surplus weapons. He
didn't have much money and that was probably the cheapest rifle he
could find. Who knows why he decided to use the alias to order the
weapon.
Walt
He did NOT try to kill Walker... He never INTENDED to kill Walker...If
he had intende to kill Walker He certainly could have succeeded... He
was less than 100 feet away from Walker who was sitting still behind
his desk. Even if he had missed with the first shot he had ample
time to fire a couple of more shots ...but he didn't do that, which
indicates he never intended to kill Walker... The whole episode was a
ruse.
But since
> he attempted that crime and got away without having to leave the
> weapon at the scene of the crime, he didn't need to worry about
> whether the weapon could be traced back to him. Tracing of the weapon
> only became an issue in the assassination of JFK because he had no
> choice but to leave the weapon at the scene and at that point, it was
> too late to be concerned about covering his tracks. Oswald had no idea
> he was going to use the weapon to kill JFK at the time he ordered it.
> That was something he decided to do just days before the event when he
> learned JFK would be passing right next to the building he worked at.
> It was a crime of opportunity. Oswald ordered the rifle by mail
> because it was cheap. It was from a batch of war surplus weapons. He
> didn't have much money and that was probably the cheapest rifle he
> could find. Who knows why he decided to use the alias to order the
> weapon.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
tims...@gmail.com
He missed with his first shot when it hit the window frame and
deflected. He went very close to killing Walker. He certainly wounded
him. When he missed, he panicked and ran away. He had a bit more steel
in his soul when November rolled around, and he attempted to murder a
public figure for the second time.
Walt's absurd CT reasoning seems to be that he ordered a rifle under a
false name and had it sent to a PO Box because he wanted to be
detected; he fired at General Walker at close range because he didn't
want to shoot him.
What a load of malarkey, LOL!
Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
Bud
Yah, he was trying assassinate Walker`s window.
>He never INTENDED to kill Walker...
Or Tippit either. Oz was probably shooting for the buttons on his
uniform.
>If
> he had intende to kill Walker He certainly could have succeeded...
If you intended to say stupid shit, you certainly succeeded.
>He
> was less than 100 feet away from Walker who was sitting still behind
> his desk. Even if he had missed with the first shot he had ample
> time to fire a couple of more shots ...but he didn't do that, which
> indicates he never intended to kill Walker... The whole episode was a
> ruse.
Gil named this post "Oh... that silly commission". What you see
above is what would have been returned if kooks ran the commission.
"The Tard Commission finds that since Oswald didn`t kill Walker, that
shows he never intended him harm. Further we find that since he didn`t
get in Tippit`s patrol car and run him over, he never intended to
cause his death either. And we further find that he was probably
aiming at a fly on Kennedy`s head when he shot him. And we can`t
believe he snuck into the theater without paying, our Ozzie is a good
boy."
Walt
> TOP POST
>
> He missed with his first shot when it hit the window frame and
> deflected.
Your ignorance of rifles is showing...... A 160 grain FMJ 6.5mm bullet
flying at 2000fps is NOT going to be deflected when passing through
soft wood. The 160 6.5mm bullet is one of the best penetrating bullets
in the world, because the energy is concentrated on a long skinny
axis. The energy and velocity will carry it straight through with
minimal deflection. Walker was only a few feet away from that window,
so if Oswald had INTENDED to hit him, that sash would not have saved
Walker.
He went very close to killing Walker. He certainly wounded him.
Utter Nonsense.... You really need to get your head outta your ass and
LEARN the facts. Walker wasn't enen scratched .....
When he missed, he panicked and ran away.
Wrong again..... Oswald had accomplished his assignment, of making it
look like he had tried to kill Walker...
He had a bit more steel in his soul when November rolled around, and
he attempted to murder a
public figure for the second time.
Wrong again.... Oswald didn't fire any shots that day....
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Walt
Your desperation and your limited reasoning ability is
showing,Dud.......
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>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Gil Jesus
Uhh....what argument ?......isn't that what the Warren Commission
said?
Oswald "no doubt....purchased the weapons under the name of Hidell in
an attempt to prevent their ownership from being traced." (WR 315 )
> He may or may not have known when he
> ordered it that he would try to kill General Walker with it.
Oswald "no doubt....purchased the weapons under the name of Hidell in
an attempt to prevent their ownership from being traced." (WR 315 )
>But since
> he attempted that crime and got away without having to leave the
> weapon at the scene of the crime, he didn't need to worry about
> whether the weapon could be traced back to him.
And how did he KNOW that when he ORDERED the weapons...We're talking
about the timeframe when he ORDERED the weapons....Oswald " purchased
the weapons under the name of Hidell in an attempt to prevent their
ownership from being traced." (WR 315 )
>Tracing of the weapon
> only became an issue in the assassination of JFK because he had no
> choice but to leave the weapon at the scene and at that point, it was
> too late to be concerned about covering his tracks.
Again, we're talking about the timeframe when he ORDERED the weapons,
not when he allegedly committed the assassination....Oswald "
purchased the weapons under the name of Hidell in an attempt to
prevent their ownership from being traced." (WR 315 )
>Oswald had no idea
> he was going to use the weapon to kill JFK at the time he ordered it.
> That was something he decided to do just days before the event when he
> learned JFK would be passing right next to the building he worked at.
Citation...or Speculation ?
> It was a crime of opportunity. Oswald ordered the rifle by mail
> because it was cheap. It was from a batch of war surplus weapons. He
> didn't have much money and that was probably the cheapest rifle he
> could find.
Probably ? ......Speculation.
>Who knows why he decided to use the alias to order the
> weapon.
Apparently you don't. You can't even defend the WC's conclusion:
Oswald " purchased the weapons under the name of Hidell in an attempt
Gil Jesus
> TOP POST
>
> He missed with his first shot when it hit the window frame and
> deflected. He went very close to killing Walker. He certainly wounded
> him.
ROFLMAO...OH, TIMMY, THAT ONE'S A KEEPER !!!!!!
muc...@gmail.com
> The Warren Commission contended that Oswald:
>
> "no doubt....purchased the weapons under the name of Hidell in an
> attempt to prevent their ownership from being traced." (WR 315 )
Do you have a better explanation, Gil?
tims...@gmail.com
Hi Gil,
Have you ever seen the PBS show *Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?* Gil? Here
is an excerpt from the transcript that you might enjoy. Part of it is
an on camera interview with General Walker:
QUOTE ON:
NARRATOR : That evening someone fired a single shot through the window
of General Walker's study.
Gen. EDWIN WALKER : Looking the situation over, back there, 40 steps
behind me is a--
NARRATOR : General Walker survived to tell what happened.
Gen. WALKER : A bullet crashed through the window and just missed me.
And I felt much grit and dirt in my hair and my arm was laying on the
desk and it was bleeding in three places, which turned out to be
fragments from the shell casing.
NARRATOR : Walker's neighbor, Case Coleman, remembers the shot he
heard as a 14-year-old youngster.
CASE COLEMAN : I was in the den, working on a school project with my
godfather, and he was helping me out with the typewriter, and we heard
this loud bang. I ran out this door here and right up to the fence.
And at the time, the church had built a six-foot stockade fence, but
my kid sister's bicycle was sitting here, so I jumped up on the
bicycle, looking over the fence. That's when I noticed the black Ford
that was -- had been backed in here, driving down the alley. There was
a '58 Chevy sitting over here with a guy bent over the back seat,
throwing something on the floorboard, and he went down towards Turtle
Creek. I can see it now, looking at the '58 Chevy sitting down there.
It's very vivid. Very vivid.
NARRATOR : Based on his account, the Dallas police began looking for
several suspects, which would suggest a conspiracy. But Marina says
Lee told her a very different story.
Ms. McMILLAN : Later that night, about 11:30, Lee came in -- white,
covered with sweat and looking quite wild in the eyes. And he said, "I
shot Walker." Lee explained to Marina that he had jumped on a bus,
buried the rifle and then he'd taken another bus. And he said when he
took the bus, "There they lose the scent." When the radio broadcast
that a boy on the spot had seen one or two cars in the alleyway behind
Walker's house, Lee laughed. He exploded in laughter and he said,
"Americans are so spoiled. They think you always have to have a car,
whereas I got away on my own two feet."
QUOTE OFF
Did you read all that, Gil? Did you see the bit about Walker's arm
bleeding in three places? Sounds like Oswald wounded him when he tried
to kill him, Gil. What do you think?
aeffects
> TOP POST
>
> He missed with his first shot when it hit the window frame and
> deflected. He went very close to killing Walker. He certainly wounded
> him. When he missed, he panicked and ran away. He had a bit more steel
> in his soul when November rolled around, and he attempted to murder a
> public figure for the second time.
you actually wrote this? ROTFLMFAO, you're a bigger moron than even I
thought..... carry on toots-e-roll!
<snip the rest of this loons disinfo>
aeffects
that's what happens when these Lone Nut loons forgo reading... LMFAO!
tims...@gmail.com
Hi Toots,
Say, we all know you're a genius Mr David *aeffects* Healy but it
seems you missed this:
QUOTE ON:
NARRATOR : That evening someone fired a single shot through the window
of General Walker's study.
Gen. EDWIN WALKER : Looking the situation over, back there, 40 steps
behind me is a--
NARRATOR : General Walker survived to tell what happened.
Gen. WALKER : A bullet crashed through the window and just missed me.
And I felt much grit and dirt in my hair and my arm was laying on the
desk and it was bleeding in three places, which turned out to be
fragments from the shell casing.
QUOTE OFF
That's from an on camera interview with General Walker, Toots. He's
telling how Lee Harvey Oswald wounded him in three places when he
tried to kill him.
Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
tims...@gmail.com
Hi Walt,
On Nov 16, 1:32 am, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
> On 14 Nov, 19:30, timst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > TOP POST
>
> > He missed with his first shot when it hit the window frame and
> > deflected.
>
> Your ignorance of rifles is showing...... A 160 grain FMJ 6.5mm bullet
> flying at 2000fps is NOT going to be deflected when passing through
> soft wood. The 160 6.5mm bullet is one of the best penetrating bullets
> in the world, because the energy is concentrated on a long skinny
> axis. The energy and velocity will carry it straight through with
> minimal deflection. Walker was only a few feet away from that window,
> so if Oswald had INTENDED to hit him, that sash would not have saved
> Walker.
>
That's your assessment, Walt. I think we'll take that with a grain of
salt. In fact, didn't Walker say in the WC volumes that it would have
been very difficult for Oswald to have seen the window sash?
> He went very close to killing Walker. He certainly wounded him.
>
> Utter Nonsense.... You really need to get your head outta your ass and
> LEARN the facts. Walker wasn't enen scratched .....
>
LOL! Not only does Walker say he was wounded in the TV interview I
quoted to Gil and Healy, he also says that he was in the WC volumes
Walt. Right on the same page where he says Oswald would've had
difficulty seeing the window sash. Here is the page in question:
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh11/html/WC_Vol11_0210b.htm
> When he missed, he panicked and ran away.
>
> Wrong again..... Oswald had accomplished his assignment, of making it
> look like he had tried to kill Walker...
>
More speculation from Walt, unsupported by the facts. Have a look at
the page I just posted, XI H 410. The DPD say he *definitely* tried to
kill Walker in an *attempted assassination* and Walker appears to
agree.
> He had a bit more steel in his soul when November rolled around, and
> he attempted to murder a
> public figure for the second time.
>
> Wrong again.... Oswald didn't fire any shots that day....
>
More drivel from Walt.
Concerned Regards,
tims...@gmail.com
Hi Toots,
Say, Toots, er, I mean David *aeffects* Healy, what was that about
people forgoing reading? Did you forgo reading this?:
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh11/html/WC_Vol11_0210b.htm
That's XI H 410 Toots, General Walker's testimony as he describes how
slivers from Oswald's bullet wounded him.
Looks like you, Gil Jesus and Walt Cakebread didn't know that Walker
was wounded the day Oswald tried to kill him in an *attempted
assassination* effort.
We can only add it to the list of so many other things the three of
you don't know, eh David?
Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
Walt
You apparently don't know the facts...or you're deliberately
lying....Because Oswald DID leave the rifle near the scene of the
staged shooting. When He got home he told Marina that he had buried
the rifle under some brush and he thought the police dogs would find
it. He expected the cops to come knocking on the door during the night
after the dogs discovered his rifle. The MO is nearly identical to
the MO at the TSBD.
> to prevent their ownership from being traced." (WR 315 )- Hide quoted text -
Walt
Frankly my dear I don't give a damn what Walker said ..... He was NOT
wounded.
He claimed that he was hit by bullet fragments and caused some
bleeding on his arm....What a crock!!.....a FMJ 160 grain 6.5mm Bullet
traveling at 2000 fps would have blown right through tat 1 1/2 in
thickness of soft wood with a minimal amount of deformation of the
bullet. The bullet didn't lose any of the copper jacket until it hit
the plaster wall BEHIND Walker. You really don't know much about
guns do you?
Right on the same page where he says Oswald would've had
> difficulty seeing the window sash. Here is the page in question:
>
> http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh11/html/WC_Vol...
Walt
> TOP POST
>
> Hi Toots,
>
> Say, Toots, er, I mean David *aeffects* Healy, what was that about
> people forgoing reading? Did you forgo reading this?:
>
>
> That's XI H 410 Toots, General Walker's testimony as he describes how
> slivers from Oswald's bullet wounded him.
>
Looks like you, Gil Jesus and Walt Cakebread didn't know that Walker
was wounded the day Oswald tried to kill him in an *attempted
assassination* effort.
Looks like you haven't read Walker's testimony before the warren
Commission... If you've never seen a pack of lies, just read Walker's
testimony. Walker was a liar par excellence
> We can only add it to the list of so many other things the three of
> you don't know, eh David?
>
> Regards,
>
> Tim Brennan
> Sydney, Australia
> *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
>
> On Nov 16, 6:25 am, aeffects <aeffect...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 14, 5:30 pm, timst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > TOP POST
>
> > > He missed with his first shot when it hit the window frame and
> > > deflected. He went very close to killing Walker. He certainly wounded
> > > him. When he missed, he panicked and ran away. He had a bit more steel
> > > in his soul when November rolled around, and he attempted to murder a
> > > public figure for the second time.
>
> > you actually wrote this? ROTFLMFAO, you're a bigger moron than even I
> > thought..... carry on toots-e-roll!
>
> > <snip the rest of this loons disinfo>- Hide quoted text -
tims...@gmail.com
LOL! Old Walt has REALLY lost it this time. Er, Walt, whether Walker
was hit by flying glass, or by shards of wood from the window sash, or
by dislodged plaster, or by slivers of copper from the bullet Oswald
fires, as he claims, or by a combination of all these things, he was
still wounded when Oswald fired at him, attempting to kill him.
Just because it doesn't fit in with one of your speculative scenarios
doesn't mean that it didn't happen, Walt. Walker WAS wounded when
Oswald fired at him.
As for the rest of your nonsense, you've produced nothing to show that
the sash was *soft* wood and your entire scenario of Oswald firing to
deliberately miss Walker flops in a heap when you read Walker's
testimony that the sash and lattice work would have been invisible
from Oswald's position at night.
Your whole speculative theory on this matter is a crock and you won't
face the reality that Oswald wounded Walker when he attempted to
assassinate him.
Concerned Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
tims...@gmail.com
Looks like Walt can't take the fact that Walker was wounded by Oswald
and Walt didn't know about it and that it blows a big ol' hole in
Walt's stupid *Oswald was deliberately shooting to miss* scenario.
Hey Walt! Marina says Ozzie turned on the radio and was annoyed that
he'd missed Walker. That's another big hole in your theory.
What are yer [sic] gonna [sic] do now, Walt? The known facts don't
match your silly and speculative theory.
You've stuffed it up mate, LOL!
Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
Walt
> TOP POST
>
> Looks like Walt can't take the fact that Walker was wounded by Oswald
> and Walt didn't know about it and that it blows a big ol' hole in
> Walt's stupid *Oswald was deliberately shooting to miss* scenario.
>
> Hey Walt! Marina says Ozzie turned on the radio and was annoyed that
> he'd missed Walker. That's another big hole in your theory.
Hey Dumbass.... Do you really think that Lee would have told ANYBODY
that it was just a hoax???
He was trying to pull off a ruse that would get him accepted into
Cuba.....It would have been his death warrant if he had told ANYBODY
that is just a ruse. You're really not very perceptive are you?
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Walt
>
Looks like Walt can't take the fact that Walker was wounded by Oswald
and Walt didn't know about it
I 've known for years that Walker claimed that he was hit by flying
glass and wood splinters and bullet fragments....
He was lying.... Because Walker himself said that he didn't know what
the explosion was, he thought that mayber some neighbor kids had thew
a firecracker. If he had been hit by anything, he would have known
immediately that the explosion was a gunshot....He said that he didn't
get up from his desk immediately, but just sat there. If he had been
bleeding as you are sucker enough to believe he wouldn't have just sat
there awaiting another shot.
Are you this really this stupid....or have you been suckin down too
many Foster's??
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Sam McClung
news:68fae3c0-793d-47a7...@t39g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
obviously tim didn't realize the man with a bit more steel ran into
ruby, which everyone knows ruby is harder than steel, and ruby beat
superman, so now the usa has a new form of government, it's called
government by sniper, and it has almost taken over the world,
including his neo-nazi infested area
Sam McClung
news:gfo4d...@news4.newsguy.com...
government by sniper is going after china,
viz the historically recent attempt on taiwan's president,
cyril wecht was called in to add validity,
the cia's eyes are already there
http://www.coca-cola.com/
illuminati's coca, opium, and oil empires = coo
tims...@gmail.com
LOL! Say, Walt, how do you deal with Walker's testimony that Oswald
couldn't have seen the lattice work or the sash from where he fired?
In other words he couldn't see what was in the way that might deflect
his bullet.
Your whole conclusion that Oswald was shooting to miss is simply
speculation on your part, isn't it Walt?
It's not supported by the note he left, is it Walt?
It's not supported by the recollection of his wife, is it Walt?
It's not supported by his actually injuring General Walker, is it
Walt?
It's not supported by his fleeing to New Orleans as an attempted
murderer on the run, is it Walt?
It's only supported in you rather fertile imagination, isn't it Walt?
Concerned Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
Walt
> TOP POST
>
LOL! Say, Walt, how do you deal with Walker's testimony that Oswald
couldn't have seen the lattice work or the sash from where he fired?
In other words he couldn't see what was in the way that might deflect
his bullet.
How do I deal Walker? The same way I deal with all liars.....
Disregard 90% of what they have to say.
The lattice work was on top of the fence that Oswald stood behind when
he fired the bullet through Walkers window.
>
> Your whole conclusion that Oswald was shooting to miss is simply
> speculation on your part, isn't it Walt?
Of course.... I'm Not Lee Oswald...And ONLY... ONLY ...Lee Oswald
could know what his intentions were so you also are
speculating ....Aren't you Timmy?
>
> It's not supported by the note he left, is it Walt?
Oswald left that note to alarm Marina so she would call the cops
( through Ruth Paine) When the cops came to talk to he she would have
shown them that note and it would have lent credence to Oswald's
attempt to "murder" General Walker. ( I still have strong
suspictions about why Marina didn't destroy that note in April of
63?????)
>
> It's not supported by the recollection of his wife, is it Walt?
What recollection would that be???
>
> It's not supported by his actually injuring General Walker, is it
> Walt?
Walker was not injured.... You're really very naive aren't you?
Walker said he just sat there behind his desk like a stationary target
in a shooting gallery ..... If Oswald had INTENDED to kill him he
wasted his opportunity, because he had ample time to reload and fire
again and again. The note he left indicates that he he was well aware
of the danger....He never "fled in panic" after missing with the first
shot....He never intended to kill Walker. He accomplished his mission
of firing one shot through Walker's window and making it appear as if
he had tried to shoot Fidel Castro's very vocal and high profile
foe.
>
> It's not supported by his fleeing to New Orleans as an attempted
> murderer on the run, is it Walt?
Fleeing to New Orleans???? Where did you get the idea that he "FLED"
to New Orleans?? Nobody came after him, after the shooting, as he
had planned.... a couple of days after the shooting he returned to
the scene in disgust and retrieved his rifle that he'd left there for
the police dogs to find. When the cops failed to find the rifle under
the brush pile where he had left it for the dogs to smell out, he knew
they wouldn't be coming after him. He had purchased that rifle from
Kleins to deliberately create a trail leading to him so he could flee
to Cuba and be accepted by Castro as the man who had tried to kill his
arch enemy. He didn't "flee" to New Orleans..... He merely continued
his mission of trying to infiltrate Cuba......
>
> It's only supported in you rather fertile imagination, isn't it Walt?
>
> Concerned Regards,
Don't "concern" your sorry ass about my welfare..... I know what
happened.
You should be more concerned about youself and your acceptance of
fairy tales as reality.
Walt
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>
> Oswald orders weapons under a fake name and has them sent to a PO Box
> number, an obvious attempt at subterfuge. Gil trys to turn this around
> and make it into an attempt by Oswald to incriminate himself.
Psssst..... Tim, Oswald might just as well given them his name. He
ordered the rifle by mail, and enclosed a postal money order that had
been purchased in Dallas. He used his PO Box on the envelope and the
order, so he really wasn't hiding his identity at all. The fact that
he used the name AJ Hidell on the order form was just an attempt to
lend a little credibility to the ruse.
Castro's agents weren't stupid...... If Oswald had laid an obvious
trail by using his own name they would have immediately asked
themselves .... Why didn't Oswald just go into a hardware store and
buy a second hand gun?
In answering that question they would have concluded just as many CT's
have concluded.....Oswald WANTED to leave a trail that led to
him .......But not a blatantly obvious trail like the back yard photo
( CE 133A) ) ... which is so obviously a staged photo, that only a
moron couldn't see through the subterfuge....
>
> If he wanted to do that, Gil, why wouldn't he simply order the weapons
> under the name of Lee Harvey Oswald?
>
> Oswald's <snicker> *self incrimination* tactics didn't seem to work
> too well when he tried to murder General Walker, Gil. That crime
> remained unsolved until months later, when Oswald was dead.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tim Brennan
> Sydney, Australia
> *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
>
> On Nov 14, 11:16 pm, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The Warren Commission contended that Oswald:
>
> > "no doubt....purchased the weapons under the name of Hidell in an
> > attempt to prevent their ownership from being traced." (WR 315 )
>
> > And yet, if that were true, the WC failed to explain why:
>
> > 1. Oswald elected to order the weapons by mail-order, a method that
> > made tracing their ownership EASIER than any other method of purchase.
>
> > A mail order was insurance that the transaction would be recorded in
> > written form, preserving his handwriting, specifying his post office
> > box and virtually GUARANTEEING that the purchases would be traced to
> > him.
>
> > Oswald could have walked into any gun shop in Dallas and purchased
> > weapons and there would have been no serial number, no handwriting to
> > be examined, and no post office box to incriminate Oswald.
>
> > 2. Oswald ordered the weapons to be sent to a post office box
> > connected to his REAL name, rather than a box connected to "Hidell".
>
> > 3. Oswald made sure to carry on his person a forged identification
> > card in the name of Hidell, bearing his own photograph---as if to
> > eliminate any possible doubt that it was he who ordered the weapons.
>
> > All of this from a man who the Commission said was trying to prevent
> > the ownership of the weapons from being traced.
>
> > OH.....THAT SILLY COMMISSION !!!
>
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tims...@gmail.com
Hi Walt,
On Nov 16, 1:40 pm, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
> On 15 Nov, 18:33, timst...@gmail.com wrote:> TOP POST
>
> Looks like Walt can't take the fact that Walker was wounded by Oswald
> and Walt didn't know about it
>
> I 've known for years that Walker claimed that he was hit by flying
> glass and wood splinters and bullet fragments....
>
Have you? That's funny. I just introduced the idea of the flying glass
and wood splinters in this thread. Walker himself says he was hit by
bullet fragments. Walker ought to know, being the victim. You're not
telling a porky pie here are you Walt?
> He was lying.... Because Walker himself said that he didn't know what
> the explosion was, he thought that mayber some neighbor kids had thew
> a firecracker. If he had been hit by anything, he would have known
> immediately that the explosion was a gunshot....He said that he didn't
> get up from his desk immediately, but just sat there. If he had been
> bleeding as you are sucker enough to believe he wouldn't have just sat
> there awaiting another shot.
> Are you this really this stupid....or have you been suckin down too
> many Foster's??
>
What a load of garbage. Walker's reaction was to go upstairs and get
himself a pistol Walt. Looks like he was ready to return fire. Maybe
he sat there for a few moments in shock after Oswald wounded him but
that is understandable. He was the first in a long line of people
killed or injured by the gun happy Marxist, Lee Harvey Oswald.
Drink another Budweiser Walt and then come up with another laughable
interpretation of the facts.
Concerned Regards,
tims...@gmail.com
LOL! Looks like old Walt is off with the pixies again. Walt, old
buddy, where is even one tiny skerrick of proof that Castro's agents
had any interest in Oswald at the time he bought his mail order rifle?
Even when he made it all the way down to Mexico City, touting all that
he had done for the Fair Play for Cuba Committee and trying to get
into Cuba they still treated him like a leper and sent him home with
his tail between his legs.
Your scenario that only one of the backyard photos is real and that
the rest are fakes is absurd.
Alarmed Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
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tims...@gmail.com
On Nov 17, 1:24 am, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
> On 16 Nov, 01:28, timst...@gmail.com wrote:> TOP POST
>
> LOL! Say, Walt, how do you deal with Walker's testimony that Oswald
> couldn't have seen the lattice work or the sash from where he fired?
> In other words he couldn't see what was in the way that might deflect
> his bullet.
>
> How do I deal Walker? The same way I deal with all liars.....
> Disregard 90% of what they have to say.
>
Like how you pretend Walker wasn't wounded because it doesn't fit your
theory?
> The lattice work was on top of the fence that Oswald stood behind when
> he fired the bullet through Walkers window.
>
Wrong. Go back and read Walker's testimony at XI H 410
>
>
> > Your whole conclusion that Oswald was shooting to miss is simply
> > speculation on your part, isn't it Walt?
>
> Of course.... I'm Not Lee Oswald...And ONLY... ONLY ...Lee Oswald
> could know what his intentions were so you also are
> speculating ....Aren't you Timmy?
>
LOL! So now you're admitting that you are speculating, Walt? I thought
it was a slam dunk before. Of course, the only slam dunk here is that
Oswald shot at General Walker, trying to kill him. On all the
available evidence, only a moron would conclude otherwise.
>
>
> > It's not supported by the note he left, is it Walt?
>
> Oswald left that note to alarm Marina so she would call the cops
> ( through Ruth Paine) When the cops came to talk to he she would have
> shown them that note and it would have lent credence to Oswald's
> attempt to "murder" General Walker. ( I still have strong
> suspictions about why Marina didn't destroy that note in April of
> 63?????)
>
More speculation. Marina wasn't living with Ruth Paine at that time.
Probably more likely to go to the de Mohrenschildts.
>
>
> > It's not supported by the recollection of his wife, is it Walt?
>
> What recollection would that be???
>
The recollection that he was annoyed when he heard on the radio that
Walker wasn't dead.
>
>
> > It's not supported by his actually injuring General Walker, is it
> > Walt?
>
> Walker was not injured.... You're really very naive aren't you?
> Walker said he just sat there behind his desk like a stationary target
> in a shooting gallery ..... If Oswald had INTENDED to kill him he
> wasted his opportunity, because he had ample time to reload and fire
> again and again. The note he left indicates that he he was well aware
> of the danger....He never "fled in panic" after missing with the first
> shot....He never intended to kill Walker. He accomplished his mission
> of firing one shot through Walker's window and making it appear as if
> he had tried to shoot Fidel Castro's very vocal and high profile
> foe.
>
LOL! More speculation by you and the downright refusal to concede that
Walker was injured in the incident. First you knew better than Oswald
what his intentions were, now you know better than Walker whether he
was hurt or not. Is there anything you DON'T know Walt?
>
>
> > It's not supported by his fleeing to New Orleans as an attempted
> > murderer on the run, is it Walt?
>
> Fleeing to New Orleans???? Where did you get the idea that he "FLED"
> to New Orleans?? Nobody came after him, after the shooting, as he
> had planned.... a couple of days after the shooting he returned to
> the scene in disgust and retrieved his rifle that he'd left there for
> the police dogs to find. When the cops failed to find the rifle under
> the brush pile where he had left it for the dogs to smell out, he knew
> they wouldn't be coming after him. He had purchased that rifle from
> Kleins to deliberately create a trail leading to him so he could flee
> to Cuba and be accepted by Castro as the man who had tried to kill his
> arch enemy. He didn't "flee" to New Orleans..... He merely continued
> his mission of trying to infiltrate Cuba......
>
He left town when he knew de Mohrenschildt knew what he had done.
So, by his mission of *trying to infiltrate Cuba* you mean he was
working for the CIA, is that your grand theory Walt?
>
>
> > It's only supported in you rather fertile imagination, isn't it Walt?
>
> > Concerned Regards,
>
> Don't "concern" your sorry ass about my welfare..... I know what
> happened.
>
> You should be more concerned about youself and your acceptance of
> fairy tales as reality.
>
You should be concerned about your failure to accept reality, Walt.
Things like Walker was injured in the shooting incident by the Castro
loving Marxist, Lee Harvey Oswald.
Helpful Regards,
aeffects
Walt, I think you have an admirer -- Timmy needs a bit of schooling,
go easy on him, or NOT -- LMFAO!
Walt
> buddy, where is even one tiny skerrick of proof that Castro's agents
> had any interest in Oswald at the time he bought his mail order rifle?
>
> Even when he made it all the way down to Mexico City, touting all that
> he had done for the Fair Play for Cuba Committee and trying to get
> into Cuba they still treated him like a leper and sent him home with
> his tail between his legs.
>
> Your scenario that only one of the backyard photos is real and that
> the rest are fakes is absurd.
Thank you... Considering that your opinion is known to be that of a
nut who actually believes the Warren Commission's fairy tale .... I'll
take your rejection of my ideas a compliment.
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Walt
> MIDDLE POST
>
> On Nov 17, 1:24 am, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>
> > On 16 Nov, 01:28, timst...@gmail.com wrote:> TOP POST
>
> > LOL! Say, Walt, how do you deal with Walker's testimony that Oswald
> > couldn't have seen the lattice work or the sash from where he fired?
> > In other words he couldn't see what was in the way that might deflect
> > his bullet.
>
> > How do I deal Walker? The same way I deal with all liars.....
> > Disregard 90% of what they have to say.
>
> Like how you pretend Walker wasn't wounded because it doesn't fit your
> theory?
>
> > The lattice work was on top of the fence that Oswald stood behind when
> > he fired the bullet through Walkers window.
>
> Wrong. Go back and read Walker's testimony at XI H 410
I've seen the scene with my own eyes....I know the lay out.
>
>
>
> > > Your whole conclusion that Oswald was shooting to miss is simply
> > > speculation on your part, isn't it Walt?
>
> > Of course.... I'm Not Lee Oswald...And ONLY... ONLY ...Lee Oswald
> > could know what his intentions were so you also are
> > speculating ....Aren't you Timmy?
>
> LOL! So now you're admitting that you are speculating, Walt? I thought
> it was a slam dunk before. Of course, the only slam dunk here is that
> Oswald shot at General Walker, trying to kill him. On all the
> available evidence, only a moron would conclude otherwise.
If you claim that your NOT speculating about Oswald's intention's
you're a liar. Because the ONLY person who could have know Oswald's
intentions was Oswald. And even if he said he had trued to kill
Walker, there is no way to be 100% certain that that was his true
intention. HOWEVER the FACT that he missed a sitting stationary
target from less than 100 feet, and he had ample time to fire again
and again is very strong evidence of his TRUE intention.
Which was that he merely wanted to put a bullet through Walker's
window to make it APPEAR that he had tried to kill Castro's arch
enemy.
Walt
> On Nov 16, 10:50 am, timst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > MIDDLE POST
>
> > Hi Walt,
>
> > On Nov 16, 1:40 pm, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>
> > > On 15 Nov, 18:33, timst...@gmail.com wrote:> TOP POST
>
> > > Looks like Walt can't take the fact that Walker was wounded by Oswald
> > > and Walt didn't know about it
>
> > > I 've known for years that Walker claimed that he was hit by flying
> > > glass and wood splinters and bullet fragments....
>
> > Have you? That's funny. I just introduced the idea of the flying glass
> > and wood splinters in this thread.
Either you're ignorant or you're a liar.... Walker told reporters that
he had got shards of glass and wood splinters in his hair... But he
said nothing about being injured by any flying debris. Personally
I've always wondered if Walker was even in the room at the time. I'm
convinced that he was part of the subterfuge. He wanted the free
publicity and the popularity that being shot at by a Castro lovin
Commie would afford him in his bid to be the Governor of Texas.
You really are a "Johnny -come- lately" to this case if you think
your's is an original idea.
Walker himself says he was hit by
> > bullet fragments. Walker ought to know, being the victim. You're not
> > telling a porky pie here are you Walt?
>
> > > He was lying.... Because Walker himself said that he didn't know what
> > > the explosion was, he thought that mayber some neighbor kids had thew
> > > a firecracker. If he had been hit by anything, he would have known
> > > immediately that the explosion was a gunshot....He said that he didn't
> > > get up from his desk immediately, but just sat there. If he had been
> > > bleeding as you are sucker enough to believe he wouldn't have just sat
> > > there awaiting another shot.
> > > Are you this really this stupid....or have you been suckin down too
> > > many Foster's??
>
> > What a load of garbage. Walker's reaction was to go upstairs and get
> > himself a pistol Walt.
Her again you're taking Walker's ( a practiced liar) word about his
reaction.... But he's on record as saying he just sat there pickin his
nose, for a couple of minutes after the shooting....Then he got up
from his desk and went a stood in front of the window and looked out
to see if he could see the kids who threw the firecraker running
away. If Oswald had INTENDED to kill Walker he could not have missed.
Walt
> TOP POST
>
> LOL! Old Walt has REALLY lost it this time. Er, Walt, whether Walker
> was hit by flying glass, or by shards of wood from the window sash, or
> by dislodged plaster, or by slivers of copper from the bullet Oswald
> fires, as he claims, or by a combination of all these things, he was
> still wounded when Oswald fired at him, attempting to kill him.
>
> Just because it doesn't fit in with one of your speculative scenarios
> doesn't mean that it didn't happen, Walt. Walker WAS wounded when
> Oswald fired at him.
>
> As for the rest of your nonsense, you've produced nothing to show that
> the sash was *soft* wood
Well unless you're even dumber than dung.... You should know that most
window sash are made from cedar which is a nice soft wood that doesn't
expand and contract with moisture as most other woods. This stability
keeps the window from sticking in rainy weather or rattling in dry
weather. You really haven't been around much have you. Where have
you been? ..... Hiding beneath your momma's apron?
aeffects
>
> >He never INTENDED to kill Walker...
>
> uniform.
>
> >If
> > he had intende to kill Walker He certainly could have succeeded...
>
>
> >He
> > was less than 100 feet away from Walker who was sitting still behind
> > his desk. Even if he had missed with the first shot he had ample
> > time to fire a couple of more shots ...but he didn't do that, which
> > indicates he never intended to kill Walker... The whole episode was a
> > ruse.
>
> above is what would have been returned if kooks ran the commission.
> "The Tard Commission finds that since Oswald didn`t kill Walker, that
> shows he never intended him harm. Further we find that since he didn`t
> get in Tippit`s patrol car and run him over, he never intended to
> cause his death either. And we further find that he was probably
> aiming at a fly on Kennedy`s head when he shot him. And we can`t
> believe he snuck into the theater without paying, our Ozzie is a good
> boy."
your flogging your dog, troll -- but I do enjoy watch you dance, now
if you only knew the music..... yank that trolls chain, again <sigh>
tims...@gmail.com
Hi Walt,
OK, so putting aside that he told his wife that he wanted to kill
Walker, he actually went out and took a potshot of Walker, wounding
him in the process and Walker's own explanation of why Oswald probably
missed, explain one thing to me.
Why does he (Oswald) want to make it APPEAR that he tried to kill
Castro's arch enemy? What is Oswald trying to achieve by doing this,
according to your theory?
Curious Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
Walt
>
> OK, so putting aside that he told his wife that he wanted to kill
> Walker, he actually went out and took a potshot of Walker, wounding
> him in the process and Walker's own explanation of why Oswald probably
> missed, explain one thing to me.
>
> Why does he (Oswald) want to make it APPEAR that he tried to kill
> Castro's arch enemy? What is Oswald trying to achieve by doing this,
> according to your theory?
Walker hated JFK because JFK had relieved him of command in German and
asked for his resignation. Walker had been bad mouthing JFK, and
distrubuting John Birch propaganda to his trrops. After his
"resignation had been touring the country critisizing JFK's
administration and calling him an ally of Castro. Walker thought they
were both communists and JFK had sacrificed the BOP invaders to allow
Castro to consolidate his power and gain popularity with the Cuban
people. Walker hated Castro, and many times referred to him in public
speeches as "the red menace, just 90 miles off or coast".
The Kennedy's were desperate to get reliable men on the ground in Cuba
to spy on activities there. ( There were rumors that Walker was
spreading that the nuclear missiles were still there in Cuba) JFK knew
Oswald had succeessfully penetrated the USSR and wanted him in Cuba.
I believe De Morhenschildt and Oswald cooked up the Walker incident to
make it appear that Oswald the wildman, Communist revolutionary ( See
the back Yard Photo CE 133A) had attempted to kill Castro's arch enemy
with the idea that Castro would welcome him with open arms because he
had tried to kill Walker.
It was a screwball idea, and if Oswald had managed to get to Cuba, he
prpbably would have ended up in one of Castro's prisons, or in front
of a firing squad..... But never the less that's what the Walker
incident was all about.
robcap...@netscape.com
> he had intende to kill Walker He certainly could have succeeded... He
> was less than 100 feet away from Walker who was sitting still behind
> his desk. Even if he had missed with the first shot he had ample
> time to fire a couple of more shots ...but he didn't do that, which
> indicates he never intended to kill Walker... The whole episode was a
> ruse.
Is there any proof LHO shot at Gen. Walker as a ruse beyond Marina's
word for it? IF so, please provide it for us to see. Thanks!
robcap...@netscape.com
> TOP POST
>
> He missed with his first shot when it hit the window frame and
> deflected. He went very close to killing Walker. He certainly wounded
> him. When he missed, he panicked and ran away. He had a bit more steel
> in his soul when November rolled around, and he attempted to murder a
> public figure for the second time.
Tim, can you provide PROOF LHO fired at Gen. Walker? Or are you just
parroting what the WC *claimed*, but did NOT prove? I have looked into
this for years and fail to see any proof whatsoever, in fact, the ONLY
witness described two men and neither fit LHO's description. All the
WC gave us was hearsay evidence by a spouse who would NOT have been
able to say those things in a real court.
> Walt's absurd CT reasoning seems to be that he ordered a rifle under a
> false name and had it sent to a PO Box because he wanted to be
> detected; he fired at General Walker at close range because he didn't
> want to shoot him.
LHO ordered NO weapon IMO, but if we use what your WC gave us, he
ordered a DIFFERENT rifle from the one found at the TSBD. The WC also
failed to provide any proof he ever had it sent to a mailbox that did
NOT contain the name it was allegedly sent under as having permission
to receive mail at that box. Oh, and of course, they FAILED to prove
he ever received it as there are forms that need to be signed for a
package pickup. In short, they NEVER proved he ever owned a rifle let
alone shot at Walker, JFK, JBC and JDT.
Walt
wrote:
> On Nov 14, 5:30 pm, timst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > TOP POST
>
> > He missed with his first shot when it hit the window frame and
> > deflected. He went very close to killing Walker. He certainly wounded
> > him. When he missed, he panicked and ran away. He had a bit more steel
> > in his soul when November rolled around, and he attempted to murder a
> > public figure for the second time.
>
> Tim, can you provide PROOF LHO fired at Gen. Walker? Or are you just
> parroting what the WC *claimed*, but did NOT prove? I have looked into
> this for years and fail to see any proof whatsoever, in fact, the ONLY
> witness described two men and neither fit LHO's description. All the
> WC gave us was hearsay evidence by a spouse who would NOT have been
> able to say those things in a real court.
>
> > Walt's absurd CT reasoning seems to be that he ordered a rifle under a
> > false name and had it sent to a PO Box because he wanted to be
> > detected; he fired at General Walker at close range because he didn't
> > want to shoot him.
>
> LHO ordered NO weapon IMO,
I which case you have to believe ALL of the evidence to disagrees with
you opinion a giant bundle of lies. Everything from the orderblank
from the American Rifleman, to the money order, to the envelope, to
klein's business files, to the back yard photos, to the gun found in
the TSBD are ALL just lies and fake evidence. I probably missed a
half dozen other items that would have had to have been fake.... But
do you really realize just how absurd your idea is???
Walt
> said?
>
> Oswald "no doubt....purchased the weapons under the name of Hidell in
> an attempt to prevent their ownership from being traced." (WR 315 )
>
> > ordered it that he would try to kill General Walker with it.
>
> an attempt to prevent their ownership from being traced." (WR 315 )
>
> > he attempted that crime and got away without having to leave the
> > weapon at the scene of the crime, he didn't need to worry about
> > whether the weapon could be traced back to him.
>
> about the timeframe when he ORDERED the weapons....Oswald " purchased
> the weapons under the name of Hidell in an attempt to prevent their
> ownership from being traced." (WR 315 )
>
> > only became an issue in the assassination of JFK because he had no
> > choice but to leave the weapon at the scene and at that point, it was
> > too late to be concerned about covering his tracks.
>
> not when he allegedly committed the assassination....Oswald "
> purchased the weapons under the name of Hidell in an attempt to
> prevent their ownership from being traced." (WR 315 )
>
> > he was going to use the weapon to kill JFK at the time he ordered it.
> > That was something he decided to do just days before the event when he
> > learned JFK would be passing right next to the building he worked at.
>
>
> > It was a crime of opportunity. Oswald ordered the rifle by mail
> > because it was cheap. It was from a batch of war surplus weapons. He
> > didn't have much money and that was probably the cheapest rifle he
> > could find.
>
>
> >Who knows why he decided to use the alias to order the
> > weapon.
>
>
> Oswald " purchased the weapons under the name of Hidell in an attempt
> to prevent their ownership from being traced." (WR 315 )-
Oswald purchased the weapons under the name of Hidell in an attempt
to prevent their ownership from being traced. (WR 315 )
At first glance this might appear to factual information, but on
closer examination, it's obviously pure speculation......and a
conclusion that should not have been drawn by an honest investigative
body who had the evidence before them.
The word "purchased" indicates that Oswald used his money to buy the
rifle.
The WC knew that the money order had been bought at a time when Oswald
was at work at Jaggers, Chiles, & Stovall, a photography shop.
So maybe someone else actually bought the money order and told Oswald
to use it to purchase the rifle for them. That same person could have
told Oswald to use the name A.J. Hidell when he ordered the rifle.
Speculation?..... Sure,but so is the Warren Commissions claim that
Oswald "Purchased" and "OWNED" the rifle.
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Walt,
Speaking of speculation, wasn't a theory floated that Oswald was doing
undercover work for the ATF? At the time or around the time of the MC
purchase, investigating gun running specifically?
robcap...@netscape.com
Your idea the "evidence" the WC gave us is all real is EVEN MORE
ABSURD! They got their "evidence" from the FBI who was involved in at
least the coverup, but probably more. They got their "evidence" from
the CIA who were most DEFINITELY involved in the murder of our 35th
president. They got their "evidence" from the SS who were mots
DEFINITELY involved in the murder of our 35th president. They got
their "evidence" from the DPD who were most DEFINITELY involved in the
coverup of our 35th president's murder.
Yeah, you are rigth, I should just believe all the "evidence" they put
forth WITHOUT question like you do and call it FACT like you do.
There is substantial proof to show everything you listed was faked,
but you choose (or are paid) to ignore that evidence.